Strip clubs are degrading to women but also to men, you have to see the type of lonely guys often end up in these places, went to one in my early twenties with a friend, looking back it was kind of sad but I put it down to experience. There are drunk jerks sure but they don't last too long , most well run clubs don't tolerate any kind of disrespect of the girls, so it works both ways.
Jack, I feel like you just have a problem with the freedom of consenting adults doing what they want to. You despise the freedom of others when they do it in a away you don't approve of. I'm unimpressed.
Do you think Strip clubs should be illegal at the state or federal level?
@6:00 Isnt there is a fundamental difference in us allowing people to subject them selfs to what you think is denigration/objectifying positions and What some Islamic countrys do; preventing women from having the choice to do what might be considered objectifying. Also consenting adults being perverted is more disgusting than things like violent acts in movies?
Your transition from strip clubs to the grossest scat porn possible, so seemlessly, is every bit as creepy & outrageous to me as the outrage you show in your little rant.
Strip clubs have everything to do with sexually objectifying women. They have nothing to do with pushing the boundaries of sexually-tinged forms of revulsion. That you've connected the two I find very weird. Maybe it's some Christian sex-guilt thing that I can't relate to.
I've no problem with strip clubs, regardless of relationship status. The only issue would be if, in a serious relationship, the other didn't approve. But that's between those two individuals, not a general issue w/ strip clubs.
I've no problem with men objectifying women and seeing them as sex objects, so long as that's not the only way men see women. (I don't see how a male could fully integrate his sexuality without accepting that this objectifying lustful aspect is a *part* of it.)
One question was your friend referring to the actions that take place at a male strip club or a female strip club. They are two completely different animals.
Yes, it's okay to go to a strip club. For anyone. That said, sure, I'd do it. Haven't done it so far, but if my friends went, sure, I'd join.
I have also watched 2 girls 1 cup a couple of times. I lol'd. I choose to assume these girls chose to do what they did. In that case, who am I to judge?
You find it mind-bugging how judgemental other people are? I find it mind bugging how judgemental you are of people who are not as cramped up about their morals as you seem to be.
I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet clearly as evidenced by some of the photos on your facebook page, you take shots in the mouth. Are you saying that sex must wait until marriage, but for the time being it's cool to let dudes finish on your face? Some clarification please...
I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet clearly as evidenced by some of the photos on your facebook page, you take shots in the mouth. Are you saying that sex must wait until marriage, but for the time being it's cool to let dudes finish on your face? Some clarification please...
I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet, as clearly shown in your facebook pictures, you take shots in the mouth. So you're sending mixed symbols here. Are you saying it's not ok to have pre-marital sex, but it is ok to let dudes finish on your face until marriage cums around? Some clarification please....
@connerjd Yeah youre absolutely correct. People can do whatever they want. If a person wants to murder someone else or rape someone else, by all means let them do whatever they want. Lets all just follow our desires and see where they lead us. How can you not see the moral poverty in your statement?
@connerjd No, im afraid you misunderstand. Im asking you to explain to me on your atheistic worldview why it is OBJECTIVELY WRONG to interfere with other's so-called "rights". Even though on a naturalistic worldview there is no such thing as human rights.
@connerjd I like how you completely avoided my contention. But I'll answer yours anyways. The laws on human rights you speak of were grounded on a Theistic worldview and not a atheistic worldview. That's why our declaration of independence says we were given our rights by our Creator. Again, on a naturalistic worldview we have no rights.
@mrstevenjake22 Creator doesn't refer to the christian version of God. Most of our founding fathers were desists by the way. Thomas Jefferson was accused of being an atheist at times. Of course, he wasn't an atheist. I have seen many atheists that are more kind and compassionate than many theists. Intereesting, the atheist way is better because we don't blindly follow a religious leader without questioning and challenging them.
@connerjd I never said a creator refered to the Christian God. Youre missing the point, it doesnt matter if the founding fathers were Deists, what matters is they were not atheists/naturalists so your contention about human rights is incorrect. "I have seen many atheists that are more kind and compassionate than many theists"
This has nothing to do with any of my claims. I completely agree that there are many atheists that put theists to shame. However, you still havent answered my
@connerjd question. How on a naturalistic worldview do we have human rights?
"Intereesting, the atheist way is better because we don't blindly follow a religious leader without questioning and challenging them. "
This is a logical fallacy. This is no way makes you better. You might subjectively BELIEVE that atheism is more superior but that doesnt make it an objective fact. Second, i dont "blindly" follow anything so dont try to sweep all religious people under the same rug.
@mrstevenjake22 So simple, just look at the animal world they protect each other. If anyone tries to attack their young, they defend themselves. More or less, humans are the same way. My motto, do whatever you want as long as your actions doesn't cause harm to others. Have you ever question your beliefs. If not, then you are blindly following. Many christians put non-christians under the same rug, interesting. I never said that atheists were perfect. Freethinking is better than religion anyday.
@connerjd "So simple, just look at the animal world they protect each other. If anyone tries to attack their young, they defend themselves. More or less, humans are the same way"
The problem with this statement is it has nothing to do with human rights. Animals being altruistic in no way connects to rights. Animals also act out forcible copulation(rape) and killing so why isnt it permissible for humans on your contention? On a naturalistic worldview rights can only be subjective and therefore
"My motto, do whatever you want as long as your actions doesn't cause harm to others"
Really? So if you watch porn on the internet youre not hurting anyone?
"Have you ever question your beliefs. If not, then you are blindly following. Many christians put non-christians under the same rug, interesting. I never said that atheists were perfect. Freethinking is better than religion anyday."
@mrstevenjake22 Watching porn on the internet doesn't hurt anyone. If anything it will more likely prevent harmful acts such as rape and prevent sexual diseses. I always question my beliefs and don'/t blindly follow anyone. By the way, there is a huge difference between harming others and offending others. Well, very few religious people that I known of question or think about why they believe certain things. Religion does get people at a very young age when they can;t think for themselves.
@connerjd Why do you say free thinking is better than religion as if thats an objective truth? Thats only your subjective opinion and your opinion is not everyone else's opinion.
@mrstevenjake22 Free thinking just look at the first word. Free! Freedom from the slavery of organized religion. Well, it is a two way street. I can say the same thing about your opinions. Yours isn't everyone else's either. I don't force my opinions or beliefs on others. However, I will speak my mind regardless of what others think.
@connerjd Did you just decide to ignore my other two comments and only answer the last one? I never said my opinions were everyone elses. YOURE the one who made the claim that "freethinking" is superior to religion so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that and you havent. All youve done is give me your subjective opinion and that doesnt make it an absolute truth.
@mrstevenjake22 What many people fail to realize is that many atheists, including myself, were once religious. I have been on both sides of the fence. Freethinkers have never burned people at the stake, nor flown planes into buildings killing innocent people. Freethinkers have never discriminated against people because of their race, sex, or sexual preferance. You can do what you want, but I will take open-minded freethinking anyday over a narrow-minded intolerant religious doctrine.
@connerjd Yeah youre right, religions are the only institutions that were responsible for mass deaths and atheistic ones never were....unless you remember that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic. These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration. Dont be a hypocrite by only naming atrocities in the name of religion.
@mrstevenjake22 I am not being a hypocrite. True, Stalin was atheist, but that isn't what made him evil.Communism was not purely atheistic. Communism is a form of state worship where the state is all powerful. Atheism is just a lack of belief like you don't believe in Thor or Zeus. I mention freethinking, freethinking doesn't just include atheists and agnostics, but can include deists, pagans, and buddhists as well.
@connerjd I never said atheism is what made him evil, however a worldview such as naturalism inevitably shapes things like communism. Dont try to cop out of your contentions. You name things on a theistic worldview that were atrocities and when i name ones that were committed on a naturalistic worldview you try to find a scapegoat. Youre being inconsistent. Freethinking can include any worldview, it doesnt affirm itself in only your subjective opinions.
@mrstevenjake22 I don't see where naturlaism shapes anything like communism. I am not coping out or using a scapegoat on anything. Well, religion can include any worldview as well and doesn't only affirm itself to people's subjective opinions. Afterall, all religions and all religious books were written by humans by the original intent to control the masses. One could argue that Jehovah, Allah, and Yahweh came from the naturalistic world.
@connerjd By saying all religious books come from humans and therefore cant be trusted you are committing the genetic fallacy. And no, Christianity wasnt written to control the masses. Jesus even said to sell your possessions, does that sound like a statement that would be made if someone wanted to control the masses? Nope. Umm no a religion cannot include any worldview. For instance, Christianity and naturalism are contradictory worldviews.
@mrstevenjake22 What religionsays and what Jesus says are two completely different messages. I have no problem with Jesus, I just have a problem with a lot of people who believe in Jesus. I could easily say that you are committing the genetic fallacy by not believing in the Greek and Hindu Gods. If religion doesn/t include a worldview then explain why there are so many different religions and churches. Even some christians will disagree about naturalism and christianity being contradictory.
@connerjd Do you even know what the genetic fallacy is? The genetic fallacy means you cannot determine the validity of a contention based on its origin, so what in the heck does that have to do with me not believing in the Greek or Hindu gods have to do with this?
That fact that there are many religions just proves that there are different worldviews, not that there are differring worldviews within a single religion. Name one christian that thinks that naturalism and christianity are
So, watching porn on the internet doesnt hurt anyone? Are you sure? It doesnt hurt your wife? It doesnt hurt your family? It doesnt objectify women? What about your children? Would you bring a 5 year old kid and sit him on your lap and say "watch this son"? I would hope not. The bottom line is that everything you do affects someone else whether you acknowledge it or not.
So what if religion consumes children when theyre young? When they get to an age
@mrstevenjake22 Distinguishing fact fromfiction.Yes,I agree. However, many people saying, hell yes, there is a God, but no one can provide evidence. True, no one can disprove God. Just bcause something cannot be disproven doesn/t make it true.
Why is it degrading if in many cases for the women working there, their body is their greatest gift. It might be the one thing they have, they might not have a college degree etc.
So they like the attention, the money etc.
What do you want to do... make it illigal? Getting frustrated men on the street raping women (more then now i mean). Not wise, keep it the way it is now.
I think it just depends on the person. For me personally, I wouldn't want to go to a strip club because I would think that sexual acts between two people who are intimate with each other emotionally are much more intimate if the sexual acts are only between you two only and no one else.
when i turned 15 in Ireland i was taken to one by workmates, i still remember the lady walking down a small flight of stairs from the changing room to the stage all sexy like with the music and giggling bits and the like, at one point she neared me and offered me her feather duster so as i might rub it between her legs i assume, i was too shy. first and only time. it's legal thus if others wish to do it then so be it, but no personally i can't see the attraction, someone daughter or son.
with regards to 1, 2 and 3; you need to rephrase the question. For me, it's not a matter of being in a relationship or not, but a matter of the context in which you visit a strip club.
If you are in a group of friends on a night out, and go to one occasionally, i.e. once or twice in a year, then there's nothing wrong with it.
It becomes weird and concerning when you go frequently and alone.
Absolutely not ok, even if single (much less not single). A strip club is MUCH worse than looking at singular naked women on-line (photos) and could even be argued as bad as full on pornography. Most strippers (like porn women) were abused in their lives and are in a mess, they tend to be addicted to drugs and alcohol due to having been abused as well as to allow them to strip. They are being further abused (like women in porn). We need to love the sinners (particularly the women involved).
Hello you made some good points my friend. Men are just so week we always have been, the female knows this, corporate advertising knows it even better, It is so difficult to maintain a fresh, clean spiritual mind, Just look to the right and you can see what is wrong . It's a mans world, what a shame.
That was a pretty crazy tangent. The islamic countries in the middle east have a reputation, not undeserved, for state sanctioned beatings, rape, and murder. Are you actually comparing that to filming someone's reaction to a youtube video?
There's absolutely no hypocrisy in our condemnation of those cultures.
As for objectifying women, yeah, so? When you go to a restaurant are you respecting the server as the individual beautiful person they are, or for the service they provide in that moment? That this service is related to that person's sexuality, to me, doesn't matter. And, also, at times, I objectify my wife. And at times she objectifies me. Everyone likes being a piece of meat every now and again. Roses and lovey kisses are great, but sometimes you need a good. Fu...Fun. Fun!
For me: It is fine to go to a strip club single, in a relationship or not. It is NOT fine (for me) to be in a relationship with, someone who would be bothered by me going to one.
That is to say, I would NOT be with someone who would freak out about me going to a strip club. By the same token, If my wife went to one, all I'd hope is that she had fun.
That said, I actually never have been to one. My wife and I discuss going together sometime, but haven't yet.
You sound surprised that humankind is a disgusting, hypocritical and selfdestructive race... But this is just the basic human instinct. This can be controlled and supressed. It will however need to be released every now and then... hence stripclubs.
To continue: I do think it depends on the woman and where they work though. Perhaps I met the anomaly, but that's just my experience. Having been to 3 different strip clubs (to visit), I've seen the bouncers and how well they take care of the girls. If guys get out of hand, they get kicked out. It's a very tightly-monitored atmosphere.
I don't see it an issue as long as both parties are ok with it. I've dated as well as been married to guys that had gone to strip clubs. The issue for me if he was there every week spending money. If it was once in a great while, I simply don't care.
In regards to 'exploiting women'. It depends how you look at it. I've known 3 women who have done this. 1 single mother in OH, 1 married woman & 1 single in NC. All 3 of them didn't see it as degrading but empowering.
Oh no! Someone's crumpled up money and thrown it at me! I'm being degraded! Which pair of shoes shall I buy today? Have you spoken to a stripper and asked her how making hundreds of dollars a night just from getting her breasts out makes her feel?
Rape or forced sexual acts are degrading and disgusting. If nudity or sex is consenting and legal, there's nothing wrong with it. The only people being exploited are the consumers. Just like in every other entertainment industry.
The only boundaries that really matter in any relationship are those agreed upon by both parties, married or not.
My girlfriend and I are monogamous, but she has friends who dance in strip clubs and we've been together to see her friends at work. Is that weird? Not really, because we have trust and she knows that a bit of window shopping does no harm - especially since I'm only buying at home!
@southdakotagirl30 for the record, i hate strip clubs. they're tacky and i don't see the point. either you're seeing naked girls on your own for free, in which case you don't need to go there, or you aren't seeing naked girls, and to me it would be torture to go there and look and not be able to touch.
@southdakotagirl30 some girls make their real lives better by stripping and bringing home thousands of dollars a week instead of a hundred slaving at a fast food job. and they don't want you "liberating" them.
@southdakotagirl30 " Evil is evil (or bad is bad). Whether you get something out of it (cash) doesn't make it any less atrocious or bad" this is real life, not lord of the rings. good/bad black/white. i'm not saying strippers lead healthy lives, but i personally know college girls who stripped their way through the university, and moved on. "evil" is pushing it a bit.
@southdakotagirl30 "There is only a small portion of the bible that talks about how women were exploited" i think you're missing the point. women are property, like cattle, in the bible. at a strip club, a woman decides to go there and get a job, and the woman goes home with a large chunk of the money she earns, and is free to do what she wants. she's not property, like in the bible. and of course it's a human condition, the bible was written by bronze age human beings.
2) Yes, it's ok (+relationship, does it need to be monagomous?)
3) No difference
But ofcourse, it's not my place ot judge. Bohoo about you're nowadays rant. You say later on people shouldn't be as judgmental as we are. Pick one.
I can ask you a question, is there a difference between your wife and a lady at a stripclub? Ofcourse. It can be more degrading still seeing your ex. Degrading?
Oh the objectification problem, not seeing people for who they are. Oh boohoo again. If people see me, they instantly make a judgement. If I'm at work, I serve a function. That's how I get approached. I approach strangers in the same manner. Even family members who you hold dearest, see you as a function of different characteristics. Heck, you even view yourself in that manner. Objectify is the way which the brain makes sense of the world.
@ContinuumXT You are a classic example of someone impoverished by alienation... in the Marxist sense of that word. Sorry, to mention his name when there are Americans present, but he got it right - with that concept, at least - so he deserves a bit of credit :-)
Okay, I'm not quite familiar with the works of Marxist, but I have a proposition for you. If you can tell me who you are, I'll approach that way. Good luck!
I don't think you are able to give an answer to the question who you are. It's just as a trick question from Jack to let us judge others on they're choices. The ironic part is, that it is you, that have objectified sexworkers, it is you who objectify people that enjoy their work. It is you that judges people on their work.
Nice for you that you think you've got crystal vision. I have looked into myself as well. It would tak you a while to understand what I've seen.
2girls1cup is just disgusting. People that think that's what's US is about are ignorant. People that rag on Islam for incidents are equally stupid.
Nobody is really up there, no country, not USA. We shouldn't ignore our darkside and should own it. People are people. You may think you've got a higher standard because your christian morals, but you just got a higher hypocrisy, right? Preach on instead of live and let live. Walk a mile in my shoes, stuff like that.
I saw this as a response to ProfMTH's video, and found it odd since he covered some of the more recent cases of child sex abuse of minors by priests, and you made this a video response to it?
Given the choice between:
A) Going to a strip club where consenting and paid adults are ogled?
B) Going to a church where a non-consenting and unpaid children are raped by priests?
Which do you think is a better and more moral establishment?
Which do you think is a greater threat to society?
"Going to a church where a non-consenting and unpaid children are raped by priests?"
and that is socially acceptable as A)
"Which do you think is a greater threat to society?"
people use those 3% of pedophile priests to bash the church with it and by doing that you destroy all the good and hard work priests actually do by generalizing them all to the rank of pedophiles.
@ristinraccoon who said im fine with it, its thousands and thousands of priests, its fuking sad, but what is more sad is that people use this few to paint a picture of all the priests within the church or equate the entire church as a pedophile organization.
i know a few priests that did damn good job but nobody mentions them, in fact they are equated with pedophiles.
@niinja2 The problem is that those 97% do not try to stop the rest, and most even defend the those 3% just like you are doing. The fact that donation-plate money is used to aid and abet the pedophiles makes them and the congregation accomplices to the crime.
And 3% is enormous! You said it and I was thinking "there's no way it can be that high" I was thinking under 1% tops, and even then it's unacceptable!
And you going to church and giving them money makes you 'fine with it' and helping it.
"And you going to church and giving them money makes you 'fine with it' and helping it."
and what the hell did you do about it you whiner unless complain on you tube, the church does many other things very good and very bad, people are acting like its an epidemic , its not, its alot but its not much higher humber then in other social establishments, and its not restricted to the church.
@niinja2 I am not paying taxes to the US Government. You defended them when you said it was okay that only 3% are pedophiles and you're still funding it at the collection plate.
It is NOT okay that only some of the money is used to defend pedophiles, cover up their crimes and keep putting children at risk.
So they use the money for other things as well? Unfortunately that DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY TO FUND A PEDOPHILE RING! What the heck is wrong with you, how can you defend these people?!
@ristinraccoon Just incase you're reading this TogetherForPeace, Niinja2 happy that 3% of his church's priests are pedophiles and him being willing to defend that as if it is a good thing does not reflect upon you or other Christians who actually oppose the problem of pedophile priests and care about protecting your children from being raped (by priests or anyone else).
"Niinja2 happy that 3% of his church's priests are pedophiles"
you are pathetic
and so are all of you fuking hypocrites that bash on the church , church is not sinless , nobody is saying that.
I know at least 10 catholic priests , they are not saints , but im sure as hell proud that i have met MEN taht serve human kind the best they can, but not one of you BOYS that stand behind a keyboard passing judgment will ever come close to the army of "men in black".
While I agree that these activities do not represent the enlightened character that people are capable of, I don't think this discussion is very pragmatic for addressing the fundamental problems of our society. I am more worried about children receiving good education and opportunities for people starting from the bottom (such as Pell grants). I think these things have a real overall effect toward making society more deeply empathetic and civil.
I would not go to a strip club to watch girls striping , because I would not like it if my mother , sister, daughter, aunt, have to do this to earn money, and being exploited like this. And those girls are sisters, and daughters of someone out there too. SO if I do not like it for my relatives , I should not do it myself. Peace.
@southdakotagirl30 my point is, in the bible they get exploited and don't get jack shit besides having to cook and clean and be baby incubators. in a strip club, they get exploited, but at least go home with a pile of cash.
1) If it is consensual i don't see anything wrong with that. they provide a service for certain price and you pay for that service. fair trade. Prostitution should be legalized as well.
2) If it would hurt your girlfriend's feelings then it is wrong to go to a strip club because you should have that much respect to your girlfriend.
There is absolutely no difference between 2) and 3).
@srki22 (1) is an individualist response. But why pretend that we are all only individuals without any social context or social forces, which can be used to create good or bad ends?
Perhaps you are thinking too deeply about these issues. Some (or most) don't give it second thought. I doubt people are scared for life from watching scat. Reality can be interpreted in many ways. Seeing the funny side of things could be a thing you could work on doing. There are much more hideous things people do to each other.
Anyway, it’s great that you’ve seen through all this conditioning, and are still able to have an authentic human reaction which leads you to say, “This is wrong.” Although, in my opinion, it is a bit sad that you needed to use the childish and self-contradictory myths of Christianity to help you do this :-) In this context, I have also added one of my videos about atheism as a response. I hope it will stimulate some respectful communication. Cheers - Mick
I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy. It’s an expression of the essential nature of capitalism, which needs to turn things into commodities which can be bought and sold. And human sexuality is one thing which, until recently, it hadn’t yet fully exploited.
Now they need us to re-cycle the wealth created by people in Chinese factories, which is laundered through out banking system (NB – That’s the extremely simplified version :-) So we are encouraged to find innovative new ways to spend, or to get the customer to spend. Taboos against objectifying yourself which used to exist have been systematically eroded to allow this to happen. For example, the growth in products which sexualise young teenagers.
Believe it or not, there is a quote from Marx which is relevant here. “The culture of a society is determined by its economic system” 30 years ago, they needed people to work in factories, so we were told that going out all night, getting drunk and ending up in a strip club was a ‘bad thing’.
I agree with you, strip-clubs, porn and prostitution – they’re all wrong, and horribly degrading (most of all, to women.) Basically, sex is a wonderful thing because it allows us to form authentic relations with others, which can be really beautiful – everything from smooching in the back row of the movies, to shagging like rabbits half way up a mountain :-) However, we live in a system which only survives by trying to turn everything it can get its hands on into a commodity.
The difference between the US and islam... is that these women, in the majority of cases, are doing these things in free will. They are working at strip clubs and eating their own crap as a choice to themselves. In islam, they have no choice. It is a part of their culture. It is accepted by the majority that they HAVE to do those things. And also a side note, the video Two girls one cup, is considered illegal. That is not an accurate example of the "average" america. I doubt they even know of it
No, I wouldn't go to a strip club because I have a girlfriend. Even though I've never met her face-to-face, she holds such a dear place in my heart that I wouldn't dare do that to her.
I have nothing against strip clubs as long as nobody is forced to work there. And muslims, they are wonderful - you should watch some documentary about sex tourism in North Africa. You really should, Jack.
Yes I think it's fine in all circumstances. I wouldn't do it simply because I think it's stupid and would never pay for it or get enjoyment from it. It would be an ethical problem if someone's spouse took issue (which in itself might be an ethical issue but a somewhat unrelated one).
John do not forget the parades and TV channels condoning and congratulating homosexuals and do not forget the organizations which condone bestiality...and oh yes 2girls1cup...
Well, I'm sure you'll get tons of people saying this but, on the women being objectified, it's fully their choice. It's literally what they sign up for. They aren't being forced or coerced, and if they are, I agree with you, that's totally wrong. You could argue their socio-economic status could have led them to that being the best financial choice, but I'm sure that's not what you're saying. They are choosing to do that, trading respect for money. And people pay for that service. It's America.
@SeriousPsyche And you know what, tipping strippers isn't necessarily disrespectul. It depends on how you look at it. You can look at it as totally "objectifying" women and throwing money at them as a way of disrespect, or you can look at it as "honoring" them for exposing themselves, sharing themselves, and giving them money as thanks for the excitement they provide us. I mean, we honor actors all the time for exposing themselves and their emotions on the big screen.
@RLSteve Well, I wouldn't go that route, but just the minimum. Think of it as a tip, like we would of waiters. If a waiter does a bad job, don't tip them as off, but if they do a good job and you're satisfied, then you tip them well to encourage that same service next time. Same with strippers. There can be bad strippers, and also good ones.
I just want to hate God and look at naked women! Why must you people make this so difficult!? D:
/sarcasm
I should probably post a serious video response to this, but there's so much to cover because it's never just about the issue being discussed on the surface. I love watching your videos but man, some of the people in your comments can get me thinking that there's no point in trying. =/
How do you expect a Godless nation to act Jack? You know as well as I do that the real issue is not about strip clubs! What we think and how we feel is not important. It is God, and His Word, that we should look to for the answers to such things. Why do you ask "what kind of society" when you know what Jer. 17:9 says about the heart? Why do you marvel when a description of our nation is found in Romans 1? The issue is sin, plain and simple.
I don't care for strip clubs. Don't go to them, don't ever plan to go to one.
I prefer to listen to music, read and educate my mind. It's sick what society has turned into these days. I wish it was like it was back when women first got the right to vote. Then there was the revolution of the 1960s/1970s. Back then women seemed to be appreciated more for what they could do rather than what they look like.
American women got the right to vote in the 1920s. In fact, one of the most revered scholars, Ibn Taymiyyah [1263-1382] learned the science of hadith from a woman scholar! Another right for women in Islam. Never mind what some uneducated countries do. These are the facts about Islam and Sharia law. I can't help it if all Muslims don't abide by these laws in places like Saudi Arabia etc. but that doesn't change the fact that these rights are a part of Islam. People need to stop generalizing.
Women in Islam have the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to choose or refuse who she will marry, the right to an inheritance, the right to an education, the right to work, the right not to work [She can refuse to work and her husband has to accept it. She also has a right to some of his wealth whether he likes it or not] and the list goes on. These are all clearly laid out and agreed upon by the earliest sources of Islamic law, nearly 1400 years ago.
i agree theres a lot of hypocrits but the reactions to that video? i think laughter as a reaction to 2girls1cup is just a way to deal with it so some peeps laugh some feel sick. in that moment no one thinks how degrading it is for the 'actresses' its just too shocking. and the people filming the reaction and watching it know it already so its just funny for them
You are correct. I served in Iraq in 2004, and the local people I met said they hated the degradation of America and did not want that in their Country. I agree.
How was my mind "scarred" by watching "two girls one cup?" You're blowing that way out of proportion. It's a funny prank to show that video to someone and nothing more.
"is it no wonder that people in the middle east think america is horrible?"
you mean that area of the world where clitorectomies, child marriage, and stoning women to death for adultery is relatively commonplace? who gives a shit what they think of two girls one cup.
2) That is up to the people in the relationship to negotiate.
3) Marriage is just civil acknowledgment of what is already there, so it makes no difference.
As soon as I saw what 2 Gs, I C was about I turned it off. That and Jackass just grosses me out. But here's the crucial difference between that and the treatment of women in some Islamic countries. Freedom of choice. I am not so concerned w. degradation as subjugation.
Seems to me that strip clubs have the same purpose as porn--getting men sexually excited (like we need help). Since they aren't there to provide "relief" what are the options? If a guy is in a "committed relationship" shouldn't he be going to his wife so that both can be pleasured? if he's single, maybe he should be looking for the kind of woman he wants to bring home to Mama some place else. If it's just about getting off, better to do that in private IMHO.
@dalejr88 YES! It also depends if the strippers are fully nude, or just showing tits and thongs. If strippers do it fully nude that to me is the job in life they chose. If it's top's off, and thong's for bill's those are you college woman. Great comment you made!
One more point, wadding up cash and throwing it at a stripper isn't so much degrading as it is a waste of money. The point of giving a bill to a stripper is so she can flirtatiously take it from you, often by squeezing the bill between her boobs for instance. If you throw the money at her, you're making her job easier and you're only cheating yourself. Why would anybody want to do that? Strip clubs are expensive enough. You want your dollar to go as far as it can.
The human body is a beautiful thing why degrade it. Anybody that thinks it is disgusting have been brainwashed by stupid old traditions. Yet, islam allows women to allow the shit to get the shit kick out of them. They also believe women should be stone to death for adultery in the middle east. Yes, there are much more harmful things.
@connerjd The pooping, sweating, squirting, stinking, hairy, flaking, oozing, human body is a beautiful thing? That's just the gross stuff on the outside. Get real! The only reason we think the body is beautiful is because if we didn't, we wouldn't have sex. The human body is disgusting.
@npeffer The pooping, sweating, come on, you know that I didn't mean that part. I know that every part of the human body is not beautiful. To have sex part, I see your point. I don't agree that every part of the human body is disgusting, depends upon how one looks at it.
This is a very debatable issue. Whether a agrees or disagrees with srtipclubs people will go there anyway. One can argue that it exploits men because men usually go there.
I've never heard of this "2 girls one cup" thing you talk about (you obviously have a greater knowledge of porn than I do), but it certainly does seem pretty gross, and not my cup of tea - no pun intended. However, how you can bracket that together with some dancers getting their boobs out, I just don't know.
This vid made me subscribe. Wish more people thought like this.
serenetydawn 1 month ago
Strip clubs are degrading to women but also to men, you have to see the type of lonely guys often end up in these places, went to one in my early twenties with a friend, looking back it was kind of sad but I put it down to experience. There are drunk jerks sure but they don't last too long , most well run clubs don't tolerate any kind of disrespect of the girls, so it works both ways.
DJSpinoza 1 month ago
Didn'twacth vid i just wanted to say thumbs up if u think connerjd should shut up
fredhenry101 2 months ago
he is so smart and wise!
bubblegun24 5 months ago
What's 2 girls 1 cup?
yaspgirl15 6 months ago
Jack, I feel like you just have a problem with the freedom of consenting adults doing what they want to. You despise the freedom of others when they do it in a away you don't approve of. I'm unimpressed.
ContractorTwobitz 7 months ago
@ContractorTwobitz Right on!
connerjd 6 months ago
@ContractorTwobitz If people don't like strip clubs then don't go there. At the same time don't take away other people's freedoms.
connerjd 6 months ago
I just wouldn't go, period.. I'm not really Christian. I'm a guy and I can see the appeal, I just think it's offensive to women.
ThePatasaurus 8 months ago
@ThePatasaurus Not all women find it offensive. I know of some women that go. Some men find it offensive.
connerjd 6 months ago
Do you think Strip clubs should be illegal at the state or federal level?
@6:00 Isnt there is a fundamental difference in us allowing people to subject them selfs to what you think is denigration/objectifying positions and What some Islamic countrys do; preventing women from having the choice to do what might be considered objectifying. Also consenting adults being perverted is more disgusting than things like violent acts in movies?
Greathiway 9 months ago
Your transition from strip clubs to the grossest scat porn possible, so seemlessly, is every bit as creepy & outrageous to me as the outrage you show in your little rant.
lust->objectification->degradation->scat porn? WTF?
Strip clubs have everything to do with sexually objectifying women. They have nothing to do with pushing the boundaries of sexually-tinged forms of revulsion. That you've connected the two I find very weird. Maybe it's some Christian sex-guilt thing that I can't relate to.
VeryEvilPettingZoo 10 months ago
(cont)
I've no problem with strip clubs, regardless of relationship status. The only issue would be if, in a serious relationship, the other didn't approve. But that's between those two individuals, not a general issue w/ strip clubs.
I've no problem with men objectifying women and seeing them as sex objects, so long as that's not the only way men see women. (I don't see how a male could fully integrate his sexuality without accepting that this objectifying lustful aspect is a *part* of it.)
VeryEvilPettingZoo 10 months ago
I would highly advise anyone who disliked this video--Atheist and Christian alike--to seek counseling.
RocknForJesus 10 months ago
One question was your friend referring to the actions that take place at a male strip club or a female strip club. They are two completely different animals.
skrathe 10 months ago
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skrathe 10 months ago
Yes, it's okay to go to a strip club. For anyone. That said, sure, I'd do it. Haven't done it so far, but if my friends went, sure, I'd join.
I have also watched 2 girls 1 cup a couple of times. I lol'd. I choose to assume these girls chose to do what they did. In that case, who am I to judge?
You find it mind-bugging how judgemental other people are? I find it mind bugging how judgemental you are of people who are not as cramped up about their morals as you seem to be.
Saufm 10 months ago
Im also a 2 girls 1 cup virgin.. Because Im heeding the warning of witnesses..
sort of like Christians are to do today meaning warning people.
superjam18 10 months ago
its degrading and moraly wrong!
pinkrose101s 10 months ago
@pinkrose101s To charge to see it!
rich2rock 8 months ago
@rich2rock no to see it! this immoral chaos is whats ruining society
pinkrose101s 8 months ago
@pinkrose101s The immorality is that we are taught to be ashamed of our bodies. Wouldn't no thing at all if we didn't hide our bodies.
rich2rock 8 months ago
@rich2rock not to be ashamed we should be taught to protect our bodys. Do u seriously beleive thats all what girls are good for??
pinkrose101s 8 months ago
B@pinkrose101s No, not at all. but watch meridianfrosts response video to this video and see what I mean. I agree with his point on the matter.
rich2rock 8 months ago
@rich2rock i cant find it send me the link
pinkrose101s 8 months ago
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I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet clearly as evidenced by some of the photos on your facebook page, you take shots in the mouth. Are you saying that sex must wait until marriage, but for the time being it's cool to let dudes finish on your face? Some clarification please...
bobbyneusome 11 months ago
I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet clearly as evidenced by some of the photos on your facebook page, you take shots in the mouth. Are you saying that sex must wait until marriage, but for the time being it's cool to let dudes finish on your face? Some clarification please...
bobbyneusome 11 months ago
I'm a little confused. You promote abstinence, yet, as clearly shown in your facebook pictures, you take shots in the mouth. So you're sending mixed symbols here. Are you saying it's not ok to have pre-marital sex, but it is ok to let dudes finish on your face until marriage cums around? Some clarification please....
bobbyneusome 11 months ago
just shut the fuck up and knock one out
Rockster969 11 months ago
It is a free country and people can do whatever the hell that they want.
connerjd 11 months ago
@connerjd Yeah youre absolutely correct. People can do whatever they want. If a person wants to murder someone else or rape someone else, by all means let them do whatever they want. Lets all just follow our desires and see where they lead us. How can you not see the moral poverty in your statement?
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 What I should have said, people can do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.
connerjd 6 months ago
@connerjd Can you give me an answer to a question, why is it objectively wrong to impose upon the rights of others?
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Read your history, look at Nazi Germany.
connerjd 6 months ago
@connerjd No, im afraid you misunderstand. Im asking you to explain to me on your atheistic worldview why it is OBJECTIVELY WRONG to interfere with other's so-called "rights". Even though on a naturalistic worldview there is no such thing as human rights.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Then why is there laws, by laws, I mean the laws of the society or whatever, on human rights.
connerjd 6 months ago
@connerjd I like how you completely avoided my contention. But I'll answer yours anyways. The laws on human rights you speak of were grounded on a Theistic worldview and not a atheistic worldview. That's why our declaration of independence says we were given our rights by our Creator. Again, on a naturalistic worldview we have no rights.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Creator doesn't refer to the christian version of God. Most of our founding fathers were desists by the way. Thomas Jefferson was accused of being an atheist at times. Of course, he wasn't an atheist. I have seen many atheists that are more kind and compassionate than many theists. Intereesting, the atheist way is better because we don't blindly follow a religious leader without questioning and challenging them.
connerjd 6 months ago
@connerjd I never said a creator refered to the Christian God. Youre missing the point, it doesnt matter if the founding fathers were Deists, what matters is they were not atheists/naturalists so your contention about human rights is incorrect. "I have seen many atheists that are more kind and compassionate than many theists"
This has nothing to do with any of my claims. I completely agree that there are many atheists that put theists to shame. However, you still havent answered my
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@connerjd question. How on a naturalistic worldview do we have human rights?
"Intereesting, the atheist way is better because we don't blindly follow a religious leader without questioning and challenging them. "
This is a logical fallacy. This is no way makes you better. You might subjectively BELIEVE that atheism is more superior but that doesnt make it an objective fact. Second, i dont "blindly" follow anything so dont try to sweep all religious people under the same rug.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 So simple, just look at the animal world they protect each other. If anyone tries to attack their young, they defend themselves. More or less, humans are the same way. My motto, do whatever you want as long as your actions doesn't cause harm to others. Have you ever question your beliefs. If not, then you are blindly following. Many christians put non-christians under the same rug, interesting. I never said that atheists were perfect. Freethinking is better than religion anyday.
connerjd 6 months ago
@connerjd "So simple, just look at the animal world they protect each other. If anyone tries to attack their young, they defend themselves. More or less, humans are the same way"
The problem with this statement is it has nothing to do with human rights. Animals being altruistic in no way connects to rights. Animals also act out forcible copulation(rape) and killing so why isnt it permissible for humans on your contention? On a naturalistic worldview rights can only be subjective and therefore
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@connerjd not an absolute truth.
"My motto, do whatever you want as long as your actions doesn't cause harm to others"
Really? So if you watch porn on the internet youre not hurting anyone?
"Have you ever question your beliefs. If not, then you are blindly following. Many christians put non-christians under the same rug, interesting. I never said that atheists were perfect. Freethinking is better than religion anyday."
I actually have questioned my beliefs.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Watching porn on the internet doesn't hurt anyone. If anything it will more likely prevent harmful acts such as rape and prevent sexual diseses. I always question my beliefs and don'/t blindly follow anyone. By the way, there is a huge difference between harming others and offending others. Well, very few religious people that I known of question or think about why they believe certain things. Religion does get people at a very young age when they can;t think for themselves.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd Why do you say free thinking is better than religion as if thats an objective truth? Thats only your subjective opinion and your opinion is not everyone else's opinion.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Free thinking just look at the first word. Free! Freedom from the slavery of organized religion. Well, it is a two way street. I can say the same thing about your opinions. Yours isn't everyone else's either. I don't force my opinions or beliefs on others. However, I will speak my mind regardless of what others think.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd Did you just decide to ignore my other two comments and only answer the last one? I never said my opinions were everyone elses. YOURE the one who made the claim that "freethinking" is superior to religion so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that and you havent. All youve done is give me your subjective opinion and that doesnt make it an absolute truth.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 What many people fail to realize is that many atheists, including myself, were once religious. I have been on both sides of the fence. Freethinkers have never burned people at the stake, nor flown planes into buildings killing innocent people. Freethinkers have never discriminated against people because of their race, sex, or sexual preferance. You can do what you want, but I will take open-minded freethinking anyday over a narrow-minded intolerant religious doctrine.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd Yeah youre right, religions are the only institutions that were responsible for mass deaths and atheistic ones never were....unless you remember that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic. These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration. Dont be a hypocrite by only naming atrocities in the name of religion.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 I am not being a hypocrite. True, Stalin was atheist, but that isn't what made him evil.Communism was not purely atheistic. Communism is a form of state worship where the state is all powerful. Atheism is just a lack of belief like you don't believe in Thor or Zeus. I mention freethinking, freethinking doesn't just include atheists and agnostics, but can include deists, pagans, and buddhists as well.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd I never said atheism is what made him evil, however a worldview such as naturalism inevitably shapes things like communism. Dont try to cop out of your contentions. You name things on a theistic worldview that were atrocities and when i name ones that were committed on a naturalistic worldview you try to find a scapegoat. Youre being inconsistent. Freethinking can include any worldview, it doesnt affirm itself in only your subjective opinions.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 I don't see where naturlaism shapes anything like communism. I am not coping out or using a scapegoat on anything. Well, religion can include any worldview as well and doesn't only affirm itself to people's subjective opinions. Afterall, all religions and all religious books were written by humans by the original intent to control the masses. One could argue that Jehovah, Allah, and Yahweh came from the naturalistic world.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd By saying all religious books come from humans and therefore cant be trusted you are committing the genetic fallacy. And no, Christianity wasnt written to control the masses. Jesus even said to sell your possessions, does that sound like a statement that would be made if someone wanted to control the masses? Nope. Umm no a religion cannot include any worldview. For instance, Christianity and naturalism are contradictory worldviews.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 What religionsays and what Jesus says are two completely different messages. I have no problem with Jesus, I just have a problem with a lot of people who believe in Jesus. I could easily say that you are committing the genetic fallacy by not believing in the Greek and Hindu Gods. If religion doesn/t include a worldview then explain why there are so many different religions and churches. Even some christians will disagree about naturalism and christianity being contradictory.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd Do you even know what the genetic fallacy is? The genetic fallacy means you cannot determine the validity of a contention based on its origin, so what in the heck does that have to do with me not believing in the Greek or Hindu gods have to do with this?
That fact that there are many religions just proves that there are different worldviews, not that there are differring worldviews within a single religion. Name one christian that thinks that naturalism and christianity are
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@connerjd compatible, name just one.
So, watching porn on the internet doesnt hurt anyone? Are you sure? It doesnt hurt your wife? It doesnt hurt your family? It doesnt objectify women? What about your children? Would you bring a 5 year old kid and sit him on your lap and say "watch this son"? I would hope not. The bottom line is that everything you do affects someone else whether you acknowledge it or not.
So what if religion consumes children when theyre young? When they get to an age
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@connerjd where they can distinguish fact from fiction they can make the choice themselves.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Distinguishing fact fromfiction.Yes,I agree. However, many people saying, hell yes, there is a God, but no one can provide evidence. True, no one can disprove God. Just bcause something cannot be disproven doesn/t make it true.
connerjd 5 months ago
@connerjd Alright brother ill go ahead and leave you alone, you obviously keep dodging my contentions and cant answer them. Peace.
mrstevenjake22 5 months ago
@mrstevenjake22 Like you don't dodge people's contentions and can answer every question. Peace.
connerjd 5 months ago
Why is it degrading if in many cases for the women working there, their body is their greatest gift. It might be the one thing they have, they might not have a college degree etc.
So they like the attention, the money etc.
What do you want to do... make it illigal? Getting frustrated men on the street raping women (more then now i mean). Not wise, keep it the way it is now.
If your like me and don't go there, why care?
SjoerdvdKroon 11 months ago
I think it just depends on the person. For me personally, I wouldn't want to go to a strip club because I would think that sexual acts between two people who are intimate with each other emotionally are much more intimate if the sexual acts are only between you two only and no one else.
violadude0987 11 months ago
when i turned 15 in Ireland i was taken to one by workmates, i still remember the lady walking down a small flight of stairs from the changing room to the stage all sexy like with the music and giggling bits and the like, at one point she neared me and offered me her feather duster so as i might rub it between her legs i assume, i was too shy. first and only time. it's legal thus if others wish to do it then so be it, but no personally i can't see the attraction, someone daughter or son.
Orwellianliving 11 months ago
with regards to 1, 2 and 3; you need to rephrase the question. For me, it's not a matter of being in a relationship or not, but a matter of the context in which you visit a strip club.
If you are in a group of friends on a night out, and go to one occasionally, i.e. once or twice in a year, then there's nothing wrong with it.
It becomes weird and concerning when you go frequently and alone.
Morally it's no worse than watching pornography.
jimthehappymonkey1 11 months ago
jack u mad?
lose the christianity it's really holding you back.
You could do a lot with your life. Really, you're wasting the only existence you have.
Silly
But do as you may!
Grandlett 11 months ago
However, you really need to educate yourself in regards to Islam, you sound rather ignorant of it's evil.
StrictlyGentile 11 months ago
Absolutely not ok, even if single (much less not single). A strip club is MUCH worse than looking at singular naked women on-line (photos) and could even be argued as bad as full on pornography. Most strippers (like porn women) were abused in their lives and are in a mess, they tend to be addicted to drugs and alcohol due to having been abused as well as to allow them to strip. They are being further abused (like women in porn). We need to love the sinners (particularly the women involved).
StrictlyGentile 11 months ago
@StrictlyGentile Cool story. Generalising makes you look ignorant.
jimthehappymonkey1 11 months ago
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No of course not
Christianrose1974 11 months ago
1. Yes. 2. Depends on the individuals, but yes. 3. No.
Deep breaths.
Turambar88 11 months ago
come on jack, you know you watched two girls one cup.
LastKobold 11 months ago
1. yes, 2. no, 3. no. :)
Im basing it on my own feelings. I would've feel bad if i went to a strip club if i were in a relationship.
sensur1 11 months ago
Hello you made some good points my friend. Men are just so week we always have been, the female knows this, corporate advertising knows it even better, It is so difficult to maintain a fresh, clean spiritual mind, Just look to the right and you can see what is wrong . It's a mans world, what a shame.
mrscooter711 11 months ago
That was a pretty crazy tangent. The islamic countries in the middle east have a reputation, not undeserved, for state sanctioned beatings, rape, and murder. Are you actually comparing that to filming someone's reaction to a youtube video?
There's absolutely no hypocrisy in our condemnation of those cultures.
Taranatar9 11 months ago
cut off the bullshit,man!! I'll tell you what I think about your rant
TheRulezzzzzz 1 year ago
Yes, Yes and No
DavidHarnett14 1 year ago
As for objectifying women, yeah, so? When you go to a restaurant are you respecting the server as the individual beautiful person they are, or for the service they provide in that moment? That this service is related to that person's sexuality, to me, doesn't matter. And, also, at times, I objectify my wife. And at times she objectifies me. Everyone likes being a piece of meat every now and again. Roses and lovey kisses are great, but sometimes you need a good. Fu...Fun. Fun!
olwizard 1 year ago
chill......
ThieleM 1 year ago
For me: It is fine to go to a strip club single, in a relationship or not. It is NOT fine (for me) to be in a relationship with, someone who would be bothered by me going to one.
That is to say, I would NOT be with someone who would freak out about me going to a strip club. By the same token, If my wife went to one, all I'd hope is that she had fun.
That said, I actually never have been to one. My wife and I discuss going together sometime, but haven't yet.
olwizard 1 year ago
i cant say i would never go to a strip club, but moral standard does not depend on me thank god.
no
no
dunno
i would just ask all of the people who said it was ok.
would it be ok if that women was your sister, daughter or neace tha other men look at her as she is a piece of meat.
one thing comes to my mind and it involves hammering the guys in the ground and a steam roller
niinja2 1 year ago
yes
yes
no
calves009 1 year ago
You sound surprised that humankind is a disgusting, hypocritical and selfdestructive race... But this is just the basic human instinct. This can be controlled and supressed. It will however need to be released every now and then... hence stripclubs.
QeloHawk 1 year ago
To continue: I do think it depends on the woman and where they work though. Perhaps I met the anomaly, but that's just my experience. Having been to 3 different strip clubs (to visit), I've seen the bouncers and how well they take care of the girls. If guys get out of hand, they get kicked out. It's a very tightly-monitored atmosphere.
healthyaddict 1 year ago
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.
I don't see it an issue as long as both parties are ok with it. I've dated as well as been married to guys that had gone to strip clubs. The issue for me if he was there every week spending money. If it was once in a great while, I simply don't care.
In regards to 'exploiting women'. It depends how you look at it. I've known 3 women who have done this. 1 single mother in OH, 1 married woman & 1 single in NC. All 3 of them didn't see it as degrading but empowering.
healthyaddict 1 year ago
2 girls 1 jack
lukeism2 1 year ago
Oh no! Someone's crumpled up money and thrown it at me! I'm being degraded! Which pair of shoes shall I buy today? Have you spoken to a stripper and asked her how making hundreds of dollars a night just from getting her breasts out makes her feel?
Rape or forced sexual acts are degrading and disgusting. If nudity or sex is consenting and legal, there's nothing wrong with it. The only people being exploited are the consumers. Just like in every other entertainment industry.
FreeThinkingWoman88 1 year ago
If the partner has a problem with it... its not ok...
that being said... I don't think its a big deal to go reguardless of the relationship situation.
Will you allow a waiter to serve you food in public if you were single?
Will you allow a waiter to serve you food in public if you were in a relationship?
Will you allow a waiter to serve you food in public if you were married?
Have you seen 2 waiters 1 tip?
fullygodfullyhuman 1 year ago
The only boundaries that really matter in any relationship are those agreed upon by both parties, married or not.
My girlfriend and I are monogamous, but she has friends who dance in strip clubs and we've been together to see her friends at work. Is that weird? Not really, because we have trust and she knows that a bit of window shopping does no harm - especially since I'm only buying at home!
jaycee69 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 *High fives*
DlNOCRlSlS 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 for the record, i hate strip clubs. they're tacky and i don't see the point. either you're seeing naked girls on your own for free, in which case you don't need to go there, or you aren't seeing naked girls, and to me it would be torture to go there and look and not be able to touch.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 some girls make their real lives better by stripping and bringing home thousands of dollars a week instead of a hundred slaving at a fast food job. and they don't want you "liberating" them.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 " Evil is evil (or bad is bad). Whether you get something out of it (cash) doesn't make it any less atrocious or bad" this is real life, not lord of the rings. good/bad black/white. i'm not saying strippers lead healthy lives, but i personally know college girls who stripped their way through the university, and moved on. "evil" is pushing it a bit.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 "There is only a small portion of the bible that talks about how women were exploited" i think you're missing the point. women are property, like cattle, in the bible. at a strip club, a woman decides to go there and get a job, and the woman goes home with a large chunk of the money she earns, and is free to do what she wants. she's not property, like in the bible. and of course it's a human condition, the bible was written by bronze age human beings.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
A lot of boohoo i hear.
1) Yes, it's ok for guy (- relationship)
2) Yes, it's ok (+relationship, does it need to be monagomous?)
3) No difference
But ofcourse, it's not my place ot judge. Bohoo about you're nowadays rant. You say later on people shouldn't be as judgmental as we are. Pick one.
I can ask you a question, is there a difference between your wife and a lady at a stripclub? Ofcourse. It can be more degrading still seeing your ex. Degrading?
ContinuumXT 1 year ago
@ContinuumXT
Oh the objectification problem, not seeing people for who they are. Oh boohoo again. If people see me, they instantly make a judgement. If I'm at work, I serve a function. That's how I get approached. I approach strangers in the same manner. Even family members who you hold dearest, see you as a function of different characteristics. Heck, you even view yourself in that manner. Objectify is the way which the brain makes sense of the world.
ContinuumXT 1 year ago
@ContinuumXT You are a classic example of someone impoverished by alienation... in the Marxist sense of that word. Sorry, to mention his name when there are Americans present, but he got it right - with that concept, at least - so he deserves a bit of credit :-)
mickmle1 1 year ago
@mickmle1
Okay, I'm not quite familiar with the works of Marxist, but I have a proposition for you. If you can tell me who you are, I'll approach that way. Good luck!
ContinuumXT 1 year ago
@mickmle1
I don't think you are able to give an answer to the question who you are. It's just as a trick question from Jack to let us judge others on they're choices. The ironic part is, that it is you, that have objectified sexworkers, it is you who objectify people that enjoy their work. It is you that judges people on their work.
Nice for you that you think you've got crystal vision. I have looked into myself as well. It would tak you a while to understand what I've seen.
Who RU again? ;)
ContinuumXT 11 months ago
@ContinuumXT
2girls1cup is just disgusting. People that think that's what's US is about are ignorant. People that rag on Islam for incidents are equally stupid.
Nobody is really up there, no country, not USA. We shouldn't ignore our darkside and should own it. People are people. You may think you've got a higher standard because your christian morals, but you just got a higher hypocrisy, right? Preach on instead of live and let live. Walk a mile in my shoes, stuff like that.
ContinuumXT 1 year ago
I saw this as a response to ProfMTH's video, and found it odd since he covered some of the more recent cases of child sex abuse of minors by priests, and you made this a video response to it?
Given the choice between:
A) Going to a strip club where consenting and paid adults are ogled?
B) Going to a church where a non-consenting and unpaid children are raped by priests?
Which do you think is a better and more moral establishment?
Which do you think is a greater threat to society?
ristinraccoon 1 year ago 2
@ristinraccoon
"Going to a church where a non-consenting and unpaid children are raped by priests?"
and that is socially acceptable as A)
"Which do you think is a greater threat to society?"
people use those 3% of pedophile priests to bash the church with it and by doing that you destroy all the good and hard work priests actually do by generalizing them all to the rank of pedophiles.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2 I can't believe you're happy with 3%. O_O How can you be fine with that?!
ristinraccoon 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon who said im fine with it, its thousands and thousands of priests, its fuking sad, but what is more sad is that people use this few to paint a picture of all the priests within the church or equate the entire church as a pedophile organization.
i know a few priests that did damn good job but nobody mentions them, in fact they are equated with pedophiles.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2 The problem is that those 97% do not try to stop the rest, and most even defend the those 3% just like you are doing. The fact that donation-plate money is used to aid and abet the pedophiles makes them and the congregation accomplices to the crime.
And 3% is enormous! You said it and I was thinking "there's no way it can be that high" I was thinking under 1% tops, and even then it's unacceptable!
And you going to church and giving them money makes you 'fine with it' and helping it.
ristinraccoon 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon
"just like you are doing"
this is a lie, read what i wrote.
"And you going to church and giving them money makes you 'fine with it' and helping it."
and what the hell did you do about it you whiner unless complain on you tube, the church does many other things very good and very bad, people are acting like its an epidemic , its not, its alot but its not much higher humber then in other social establishments, and its not restricted to the church.
niinja2 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon
why the hell do you give money to the government that caused economic colapse...
"and most even defend the those 3% just like you are doing"
Where the fuck did i defend them.
"The fact that donation-plate money is used to aid and abet the pedophiles makes them and the congregation "
yeah and tahts ALL collection plate is used for , get your head out of your ass.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2 I am not paying taxes to the US Government. You defended them when you said it was okay that only 3% are pedophiles and you're still funding it at the collection plate.
It is NOT okay that only some of the money is used to defend pedophiles, cover up their crimes and keep putting children at risk.
So they use the money for other things as well? Unfortunately that DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY TO FUND A PEDOPHILE RING! What the heck is wrong with you, how can you defend these people?!
ristinraccoon 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon
"You defended them when you said it was okay that only 3% are pedophiles"
WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT YOU LIAR
"What the heck is wrong with you, how can you defend these people?!"
LEARN TO FUKING READ
niinja2 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon Just incase you're reading this TogetherForPeace, Niinja2 happy that 3% of his church's priests are pedophiles and him being willing to defend that as if it is a good thing does not reflect upon you or other Christians who actually oppose the problem of pedophile priests and care about protecting your children from being raped (by priests or anyone else).
ristinraccoon 1 year ago
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niinja2 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon
"Niinja2 happy that 3% of his church's priests are pedophiles"
you are pathetic
and so are all of you fuking hypocrites that bash on the church , church is not sinless , nobody is saying that.
I know at least 10 catholic priests , they are not saints , but im sure as hell proud that i have met MEN taht serve human kind the best they can, but not one of you BOYS that stand behind a keyboard passing judgment will ever come close to the army of "men in black".
niinja2 1 year ago
@ristinraccoon You're an imbecile... -_-
arrogantprick101 11 months ago
@ristinraccoon
church has done crap in history but i doubt that you and your pals will ever come even close to the good that church did and that was never reported.
niinja2 1 year ago
While I agree that these activities do not represent the enlightened character that people are capable of, I don't think this discussion is very pragmatic for addressing the fundamental problems of our society. I am more worried about children receiving good education and opportunities for people starting from the bottom (such as Pell grants). I think these things have a real overall effect toward making society more deeply empathetic and civil.
jeb31415 1 year ago
Hi TogetherForPeace,
I would not go to a strip club to watch girls striping , because I would not like it if my mother , sister, daughter, aunt, have to do this to earn money, and being exploited like this. And those girls are sisters, and daughters of someone out there too. SO if I do not like it for my relatives , I should not do it myself. Peace.
SuperOpenminded 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 my point is, in the bible they get exploited and don't get jack shit besides having to cook and clean and be baby incubators. in a strip club, they get exploited, but at least go home with a pile of cash.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
I think you should ask is it ok to beat dogs like I did?
19822andy 1 year ago
@keakini If you are claiming my assertion is wrong, Why not provide the proper argument instead of leaving a conceited sounding comment?
MenacetooSobriety 1 year ago
1) If it is consensual i don't see anything wrong with that. they provide a service for certain price and you pay for that service. fair trade. Prostitution should be legalized as well.
2) If it would hurt your girlfriend's feelings then it is wrong to go to a strip club because you should have that much respect to your girlfriend.
There is absolutely no difference between 2) and 3).
srki22 1 year ago
@srki22 (1) is an individualist response. But why pretend that we are all only individuals without any social context or social forces, which can be used to create good or bad ends?
mickmle1 1 year ago
Perhaps you are thinking too deeply about these issues. Some (or most) don't give it second thought. I doubt people are scared for life from watching scat. Reality can be interpreted in many ways. Seeing the funny side of things could be a thing you could work on doing. There are much more hideous things people do to each other.
I can't believe all this marxist crap on here.
BTinHD 1 year ago
Anyway, it’s great that you’ve seen through all this conditioning, and are still able to have an authentic human reaction which leads you to say, “This is wrong.” Although, in my opinion, it is a bit sad that you needed to use the childish and self-contradictory myths of Christianity to help you do this :-) In this context, I have also added one of my videos about atheism as a response. I hope it will stimulate some respectful communication. Cheers - Mick
mickmle1 1 year ago
I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy. It’s an expression of the essential nature of capitalism, which needs to turn things into commodities which can be bought and sold. And human sexuality is one thing which, until recently, it hadn’t yet fully exploited.
mickmle1 1 year ago
Now they need us to re-cycle the wealth created by people in Chinese factories, which is laundered through out banking system (NB – That’s the extremely simplified version :-) So we are encouraged to find innovative new ways to spend, or to get the customer to spend. Taboos against objectifying yourself which used to exist have been systematically eroded to allow this to happen. For example, the growth in products which sexualise young teenagers.
mickmle1 1 year ago
Believe it or not, there is a quote from Marx which is relevant here. “The culture of a society is determined by its economic system” 30 years ago, they needed people to work in factories, so we were told that going out all night, getting drunk and ending up in a strip club was a ‘bad thing’.
mickmle1 1 year ago
I agree with you, strip-clubs, porn and prostitution – they’re all wrong, and horribly degrading (most of all, to women.) Basically, sex is a wonderful thing because it allows us to form authentic relations with others, which can be really beautiful – everything from smooching in the back row of the movies, to shagging like rabbits half way up a mountain :-) However, we live in a system which only survives by trying to turn everything it can get its hands on into a commodity.
mickmle1 1 year ago
The difference between the US and islam... is that these women, in the majority of cases, are doing these things in free will. They are working at strip clubs and eating their own crap as a choice to themselves. In islam, they have no choice. It is a part of their culture. It is accepted by the majority that they HAVE to do those things. And also a side note, the video Two girls one cup, is considered illegal. That is not an accurate example of the "average" america. I doubt they even know of it
AoaDAxMEGAMAN 1 year ago
No, I wouldn't go to a strip club because I have a girlfriend. Even though I've never met her face-to-face, she holds such a dear place in my heart that I wouldn't dare do that to her.
Jack, you're awfully insightful; rock on, man!
DoKtaTre 1 year ago
i'm a muslim and I agree with you
yousef8574 1 year ago
I have nothing against strip clubs as long as nobody is forced to work there. And muslims, they are wonderful - you should watch some documentary about sex tourism in North Africa. You really should, Jack.
Kozaack 1 year ago
Yes I think it's fine in all circumstances. I wouldn't do it simply because I think it's stupid and would never pay for it or get enjoyment from it. It would be an ethical problem if someone's spouse took issue (which in itself might be an ethical issue but a somewhat unrelated one).
Ormaaj 1 year ago
Dang dude when are you gonna become Muslim? Dont let the extremists hinder you. Islam is in the books not the people. Peace
SuperBallashotcalla 1 year ago
Yep, America, I believe is New Babylon. And she will reap what she deserves. Repent! /watch?v=WGute2KdXVQ
MylerM182 1 year ago
John do not forget the parades and TV channels condoning and congratulating homosexuals and do not forget the organizations which condone bestiality...and oh yes 2girls1cup...
watch this...(it's not 2girls1cup lol) watch?v=DYpR1dLV8L4
findtruthfindpeace 1 year ago
And do not go anywhere near adultery: it is an outrage, and an evil path. 17:32
^Refer to that which is clear...God tells us not to go NEAR unlawful sexual intercourse...no less commit it...not even go near it.
findtruthfindpeace 1 year ago
Wow good video. I guess you can call it respect.
RepresentingTruth 1 year ago
Well, I'm sure you'll get tons of people saying this but, on the women being objectified, it's fully their choice. It's literally what they sign up for. They aren't being forced or coerced, and if they are, I agree with you, that's totally wrong. You could argue their socio-economic status could have led them to that being the best financial choice, but I'm sure that's not what you're saying. They are choosing to do that, trading respect for money. And people pay for that service. It's America.
SeriousPsyche 1 year ago
@SeriousPsyche And you know what, tipping strippers isn't necessarily disrespectul. It depends on how you look at it. You can look at it as totally "objectifying" women and throwing money at them as a way of disrespect, or you can look at it as "honoring" them for exposing themselves, sharing themselves, and giving them money as thanks for the excitement they provide us. I mean, we honor actors all the time for exposing themselves and their emotions on the big screen.
RLSteve 1 year ago
@RLSteve Well, I wouldn't go that route, but just the minimum. Think of it as a tip, like we would of waiters. If a waiter does a bad job, don't tip them as off, but if they do a good job and you're satisfied, then you tip them well to encourage that same service next time. Same with strippers. There can be bad strippers, and also good ones.
SeriousPsyche 1 year ago
I just want to hate God and look at naked women! Why must you people make this so difficult!? D:
/sarcasm
I should probably post a serious video response to this, but there's so much to cover because it's never just about the issue being discussed on the surface. I love watching your videos but man, some of the people in your comments can get me thinking that there's no point in trying. =/
TheHairline 1 year ago
How do you expect a Godless nation to act Jack? You know as well as I do that the real issue is not about strip clubs! What we think and how we feel is not important. It is God, and His Word, that we should look to for the answers to such things. Why do you ask "what kind of society" when you know what Jer. 17:9 says about the heart? Why do you marvel when a description of our nation is found in Romans 1? The issue is sin, plain and simple.
nobuckle40 1 year ago
I don't care for strip clubs. Don't go to them, don't ever plan to go to one.
I prefer to listen to music, read and educate my mind. It's sick what society has turned into these days. I wish it was like it was back when women first got the right to vote. Then there was the revolution of the 1960s/1970s. Back then women seemed to be appreciated more for what they could do rather than what they look like.
HaleyMary 1 year ago
American women got the right to vote in the 1920s. In fact, one of the most revered scholars, Ibn Taymiyyah [1263-1382] learned the science of hadith from a woman scholar! Another right for women in Islam. Never mind what some uneducated countries do. These are the facts about Islam and Sharia law. I can't help it if all Muslims don't abide by these laws in places like Saudi Arabia etc. but that doesn't change the fact that these rights are a part of Islam. People need to stop generalizing.
LebaneseKitten 1 year ago
Women in Islam have the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to choose or refuse who she will marry, the right to an inheritance, the right to an education, the right to work, the right not to work [She can refuse to work and her husband has to accept it. She also has a right to some of his wealth whether he likes it or not] and the list goes on. These are all clearly laid out and agreed upon by the earliest sources of Islamic law, nearly 1400 years ago.
LebaneseKitten 1 year ago
They work there.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
I don't bother with them.
Domingo0022IWAY 1 year ago
i agree theres a lot of hypocrits but the reactions to that video? i think laughter as a reaction to 2girls1cup is just a way to deal with it so some peeps laugh some feel sick. in that moment no one thinks how degrading it is for the 'actresses' its just too shocking. and the people filming the reaction and watching it know it already so its just funny for them
garstigesopossum 1 year ago
You are correct. I served in Iraq in 2004, and the local people I met said they hated the degradation of America and did not want that in their Country. I agree.
pettyofficer30 1 year ago
How was my mind "scarred" by watching "two girls one cup?" You're blowing that way out of proportion. It's a funny prank to show that video to someone and nothing more.
npeffer 1 year ago
the bible lists women among possesions such as chattel. is THAT degrading? at least strippers make $3000 a week or more most of the time
BillKiernan 1 year ago
"is it no wonder that people in the middle east think america is horrible?"
you mean that area of the world where clitorectomies, child marriage, and stoning women to death for adultery is relatively commonplace? who gives a shit what they think of two girls one cup.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
1) Yes. I think it's totally ok.
2) That is up to the people in the relationship to negotiate.
3) Marriage is just civil acknowledgment of what is already there, so it makes no difference.
As soon as I saw what 2 Gs, I C was about I turned it off. That and Jackass just grosses me out. But here's the crucial difference between that and the treatment of women in some Islamic countries. Freedom of choice. I am not so concerned w. degradation as subjugation.
Maxdwolf 1 year ago 2
strip clubs and pornostars are for Christians .
ALGfunk 1 year ago
Seems to me that strip clubs have the same purpose as porn--getting men sexually excited (like we need help). Since they aren't there to provide "relief" what are the options? If a guy is in a "committed relationship" shouldn't he be going to his wife so that both can be pleasured? if he's single, maybe he should be looking for the kind of woman he wants to bring home to Mama some place else. If it's just about getting off, better to do that in private IMHO.
marccox537 1 year ago
SOME strippers do it for a short time to pay for college. Does that make it ok Jack?
dalejr88 1 year ago
@dalejr88 YES! It also depends if the strippers are fully nude, or just showing tits and thongs. If strippers do it fully nude that to me is the job in life they chose. If it's top's off, and thong's for bill's those are you college woman. Great comment you made!
pettyofficer30 1 year ago
One more point, wadding up cash and throwing it at a stripper isn't so much degrading as it is a waste of money. The point of giving a bill to a stripper is so she can flirtatiously take it from you, often by squeezing the bill between her boobs for instance. If you throw the money at her, you're making her job easier and you're only cheating yourself. Why would anybody want to do that? Strip clubs are expensive enough. You want your dollar to go as far as it can.
UserBaines 1 year ago
I have not watched 2G1C, and never will.
DJHyperRhythm 1 year ago
The human body is a beautiful thing why degrade it. Anybody that thinks it is disgusting have been brainwashed by stupid old traditions. Yet, islam allows women to allow the shit to get the shit kick out of them. They also believe women should be stone to death for adultery in the middle east. Yes, there are much more harmful things.
connerjd 1 year ago
@connerjd The pooping, sweating, squirting, stinking, hairy, flaking, oozing, human body is a beautiful thing? That's just the gross stuff on the outside. Get real! The only reason we think the body is beautiful is because if we didn't, we wouldn't have sex. The human body is disgusting.
npeffer 1 year ago
@npeffer Then don't ever have sex.
johngeetar 1 year ago
@npeffer The pooping, sweating, come on, you know that I didn't mean that part. I know that every part of the human body is not beautiful. To have sex part, I see your point. I don't agree that every part of the human body is disgusting, depends upon how one looks at it.
connerjd 1 year ago
This is a very debatable issue. Whether a agrees or disagrees with srtipclubs people will go there anyway. One can argue that it exploits men because men usually go there.
connerjd 1 year ago
I've never heard of this "2 girls one cup" thing you talk about (you obviously have a greater knowledge of porn than I do), but it certainly does seem pretty gross, and not my cup of tea - no pun intended. However, how you can bracket that together with some dancers getting their boobs out, I just don't know.
MrIcarusflysagain 1 year ago