Hey, check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
this vid is interesting, it's no secret that lincoln and his 'boys' had a hay day in the South. Yeah, if the South had won that war, those lincoln and his 'boys' whould have been swinging by the neck
I bet you are so pathetic old man, you support the current regime bailing our porno companies and bankers, while hard working Americans are still struggling, you patriots of wealth and corruption are some of the lowest SCUM this society has to offer !!
capitalism is a sham. It always was our original economy was not run on capitalism. The capitalist sits back and collects much more wealth than the average worker and worse yet the workers aren't even paid for the full value of their work all while the capitalist gets richer and richer gaining more and more freedom for his family and succeeding generations. This is what has lead to oligopolies that we have set up in every aspect of our economy. It's a wealth transfer from poor to rich.
Capitalism is as close to fair as anything. The Capitalist gets a share of the value of the work as a return on his investment, which encourages him to invest despite risk. The worker gets a share of his work which encourages him to work. A man works for someone else, saves to work for himself, and then as he progresses, hires others to work for him. He can hire because the money he saves belongs to him, not to some amphorous collective.
Capitalism is not a fair share. They fill your head with that stuff because the rich in control like making more money. Capitalism creates a pyramid shaped job structure. Unless you get promoted to a more elite noble position you can never make any more money after the ceiling. The more you get promoted the less superiors you have until you get to the president who makes the most real fair? Most of society is forced to work for a few capitalists the only ones really free in the whole equation.
Capitalism is the only way to ever get a fair share. Money is only of value when traded for goods and services, or promises. When you agree to a price, you agree that it is fair.
Corruption is what happens when socialism gives the government the power to steal savings using force, rather than getting voluntary agreement. Without the ability to use force, people may make bad deals, but they need to be offered a deal with which they agree. The government is not a safe guardian of people's rights because the rich have greater resources with which to bribe the Judge.
see now you're not making any sense. a state is corrupt. It grows more corrupt the more it steals. Label it what ever you want government size naturally grows. This is what they do. Watch some videos on this guy's channel he does a good job explaining how a state works (and why it's bad).
The conventions 1776 everything all done by the rich. people don't put 2 and 2 together. The majority of Americans didn't even want to leave England. (Though I'm glad we did) The higher up you go the more you take from the workers, the people doing the real work. Anybody can supervise and do paperwork. The only reason that person is needed is because we have developed our country around state protected Capitalism. In nature dictators are looked at as a bad thing but in the state we praise them.
You're overlooking the fact that the average grunt has no way to build up sufficient savings in the first place and what little they can scrounge is cut further by inflation. The elite own everything and hand us just enough to survive. Real fair. Capitalism creates a pyramid shape job structure as resources and assets are bought up with the capitalist on top once you go below that person (or board) income is exponentially shrunk. Leaving base level people (workers) making crumbs with a ceiling.
You are overlooking the fact that every year domestic production creates more value than all the money owed by the government. Capital is only used when it is transferred. The only way to exploit your capital is to give it in return for goods and promises created by others. By agreeing to take money in return for goods or promises, you agree that the price and terms are fair. If you don't think it fair, don't take the money until it is fair.
Yes, the Fed. Reserve helped to start the crash of 1929 if you don't see how the elites planned this all through war as they always do, you are a patriotic fool. I bet you are stupid enough to go risk your life like the animals they use to do the dirty work on the battlefields of elite wealth and corruption. This post was originally about Lincoln, and you can't even handle the truth about that mythic tyrant, much less the truth about what your fat belly wrinkled old generation were whores of !
A lot of the elites lost a bunch. My great grandfather had a chain of grocery stores, farms, trucks, and warehouses, and nearly lost it. He was able to hold it together by extending credit far beyone what was normal. That store policy to some extent counteracted for his locality some of the reduction in money supply. He had three sons, and several grandsons who fought in WWII. I think your paranoia is no better grounding than your history.
Your full of shit, that's why I am about to get my master's in January, after this semester. Your just an old geezer who can't take the fact that your heros were just corporate filth. Lincoln proved how racist he was on many ocassions, including the famed 1858 debates with Douglas. He said several times he would preserve the Union even if he DID NOT have to free the slaves, his goal was to preserve the tyranny of the fed. gov. onto the little peasants beneath. Lincoln was a Marxist old man !
relations. Europe was antislavery. The conclusion is obvious. That's why the rich slave owners (stephens abes friend and sam houston) among many others sided with the pro southern slavery union. Davis wanted to end it he sided unconditionally with the Confederacy as long as the people wanted it.
there's never been a war of independence for the expansion of slavery or in defense of slavery and their never will be. Southerners were opposed to the institution. The only way to rid themselves of it was to get away from the proterrorst southern hating radicals and peacably abolish it through compensation the only feasable method that the north denied us for 45 years while they did just that. As our own independent nation (which relied on exports) this was imperative to good overseas
So you claim that NY state managed to ban slavery while SC state really wanted to but couldn't because they were prevented by the EVIL republicans...Gosh that has to be some really good drugs you found.
And you have it wrong the south defended it's land when the north refused to leave. They were asked and lincoln responded by having more troops on the way. Northern troops were from a foreign nation. It would be no different to having mexican troops invade texas and expelling them. Would that be an act of war or is the invading country the one who would really be at fault?
It was a pride thing. The north started spouting blatant lies about the institution. Uncle Tom's cabin which is now passed off as truth but is an obvious lie if you look at plantation records is the culmination of those lies. The north and south worked arduously to end it before the crazy radical abolitionists damaged relations. Read Jefferson. Slavery is not what you think it is. The crap federal education has ruined the country.
is it wrong, yes, was abolishing it fantastic and a godsend yes but most americans don't know any truth about it or the actual slaves point of view. I didn't say the feds were actually using congressional power to prevent it's abolition it was a psychological thing the north had a god complex, nobody wants to give in to somebody with a god complex that thinks they are better than you.
And it was impossible to do it the way the radicals wanted without mass suffering and death for blacks and whites and the total destruction of the economy. Instead of allowing for compensated emancipation so workers could be hired.
back voluntarily for the old union to be restored, just like it was originally created and it took awhile for even the original 13 states to voluntarily join, the republic of vermont refused to (the 14th state) until 1791, what we have now is an empire.
Actually, Vermont was disputed land, disputed between NY and New Hampshire. The separate state was considered the solution. The old name for Vermont was "New Hampshire Grants".
unfeasable, and would ignite fire among the union and destroy the bond of friendship the confederacy was trying to form with them before Lincoln decided to start an irrational illogical war. . .
It was the South that raised mass armies before the US government. It was the South that opened fire on Ft Sumter before Maj Anderson could surrender. So it was the South that started the war, with an intent to expand the land and territory open to slavery. Shameful lie, in support of a shameful institution.
no it wasn't. Define mass army. I would think the norths 75,000 would be a mass army. The south didn't have an army even remotely close to that number until the north (lincoln) declared war on americans. Ft sumpter is south carolina's land. They fought hard along with the other states for freedom from britian it isn't the state created feds land or in other words "other states" as those were the states left in the union.
They may have fought against Britain, but the U.S. is NOTHING more than a British corporation and always has been. B.A.R. in court, like when a lawyer takes a bar exam, means "British Accreditied Registry" Why NOT an American registry ? DUH, there is NO independent American law away from the British Admiralty law that this corporation of the U.S. is founded upon. So those people who fought and died were just pimped peasants of elitist corruption. The U.S. is a British corporation still.
US is not british corporation, as proven by two wars. Bar "The use of the term bar to mean "the whole body of lawyers, the legal profession" comes ultimately from English custom. In the early 16th century, a railing divided the hall in the Inns of Court, with students occupying the body of the hall and readers or benchers on the other side.
That is one of the greatest patriotic lies and deceits that I have ever heard. Are you lying to me that BAR in court does not mean British Accredited Registry ?? The flags in court carry gold tassles that represent the British Admiralty law of these courts. British soldiers stayed in this country for YEARS after the so called "revolution" ended. You are a patriotic myth mongerer, your lies and prostitution to bloodline elites who control your every thought will NOT work with educated men.
First, only Congress can declare war, not the President. Second Ft. Sumpter was and is US federal property. Third, the rebels began to rail their army before Lincoln called for soldiers from the US states.
You are so ignorant and uninformed. Lincoln started the war against the whole south dumb ass, NOT just SC. If SC fired, then it was SC to attack, not the whole damn south. You public school retards who never graduated college clinging to your myths are pukefied. Africans OWNED slaves here too moron, just like they SOLD their own people to the traders at the African slave ship docks. Your myths about a political tyrant will NOT stand against educated facts BOY !!
Of course americans of african heritage owned slaves. That was how a freed slave could buy freedom for his wife and children.
No doubt that Africans sold Africans into slavery. In Ghana, their are "slave forts" used to hold slaves for shipment. They were first used to hold slaves from Nigeria for shipment to the gold mines of Ghana!
Yes, slavery was wrong and shameful, but when liberal propagandists like you admit the number of Africans who owned slaves in America too, NOT to mention the number of Africans who SOLD their own people to the slave traders at the African ship docks, then you will be about half the man you think you are now. Africans were just as responible for slavery as anyone else, just like the WHITE slavery that cowards like you never speak of, you cover it up by saying "indentured servitude."
Keep in mind that there was a shortage of workers in the colonies, they tried to enslave everyone, white, black, and indian/indigenous. Whites could run off, and be indistinguishable from others. Indians could run to the next villiage and return with a raiding party. Blacks were color coded, with the presumption of slavery, and only those with papers could be free. Local sheriffs were informed of free blacks within their jurisdiction, to help prevent errors.
What do you mean proven by two wars, wars are always set ups, where low class peasants go give up their lives like animals for wealthy tyranncy. Kissinger said it best, "military men are like animals, with their lives to be used as nothing more than pawn pieces in the political chess game that is foreign policy." The firt war set up the market crash of 1929, the second war set up Zionism and the raping of Palestine, as Isis-Ra- and El took it over. You are a patriotic myth monger !
The 1929 crash was actually set up by the Fed Reserve which inflated the currency to cover weakness in British pound in 1927, Was it influenced by events prior to that? Sure, EVERYTHING is influenced by prior events. Zionism predated WWII. A brief look at Mark Twain's book Innocents Abroad, will give you a description of the desolate nature of Palestine around 1900. By 1930 Jews had been moving in, buying land, and building up the area for years. Facts.
That was a typo smart ass, I have met your type my whole life, you are patriotic prostitutes of wealth and corruption. Nothing about Lincoln's racism, or his tyrannical decisions bother you because you are a pimped out myth mongering patriot.
There is more to the first WW than meets the eye. Didn't you find the explanation a bit lacking? And why would America get involved if there was nothing to gain. We supported Germany for the first two years (all over newspapers here) then we fight on the side of the allies. If it hadn't been for us Europe would have remained virtually the same due to stalemate.
Actually the US didn't support either side, but ended up doing a lot of business with the Allies who could use the seas, compared to the Germans and Turks which couldn't. The German resumption of illegal submarine warfare, coupled with the illegal use of diplomatic priviledge to try to get Mexico to ally against the US, which message was sent using US telegraphic assets.
do I have to pull out an old newspaper? The us was pro axis at the beginning of the war. America wanted nothing to do with it. The president and his buddies did just like Iraq and the rise of Fascism (contained socialism) is a result.
I live in Jackson Mississippi..it was known then(and still) as "chimneyville", because the union invaders left nothing standing but the stone-work chimneys. Sadly, our nation still doesn't mind a little "collateral damage" when it comes to innocent civilians..and don't bother denying it, I'm an infantry veteran of the ongoing Iraq war
Hey, my little sister lives in Jackson. My sympathies, for what you had to go through in the "dust bowl" Yes, even looking at old photographs one can easily see what was left in our States... a whole lot of nothing.
Everyone has been brainwashed in the states on myths and lies. I can NOT believe that (even with the brainwashing by the public schools, media, & Hollywood) that people are still STUPID enough to think the War was over Slavery. Obviously, they are blind and missing the Majority of the facts. Go purchase 'Myths of AMERICAN Slavery' by an author Kennedy. It is highly documented. DEO VINDICE!!
In the north the war was not particularly in freeing slaves. President Lincoln's only objective of the war was to reunite the country that had been torn apart by lies and controversies. Freeing slaves was just stuck in the middle somewhere.
The fallacy of that is that you can't mend a broken union through violence. If you start killing the people your'e trying to reunite with, look at them as heathens and evil sinners who deserve to rot in hell, no good second class citiznes, doesn't that just instill the opposite reaction to the one you want? Burning down the south and murdering 300,000 southerners is no way to "mend" a broken union. People would have had to come
@coldh2ocarp In the North, the war was over secession. In the South, the war was over slavery. Read the Declaration of the Causes of Secession for the seceding states. For South Carolina, it was ALL about slavery, they never even mention taxes.
Yes perfect motivation to desert. It was psychological warfare. It worked. I would desert too. They to see if their families were still alive. If so if their wives had been raped, fields sowed with salt home burned etc. Most of the time that was all the case. Yes surrendered to end the terrorism on their people. It was only the responsible thing to do.
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If it was as bad as you say, then why were their such heavy rebel desertions in the war. Atrocities like that provide perfect motivation. And I would like to add that after Sherman and Sheridan did their things, Lee, Johnston, etc surrendered months later.
Yeah FUCK you Lincoln! J W Booth killed your sorry ass and for a good reason! Tyrannous commie fag! Did yall know that faggot the robots of the north worship like Jesus was best friends with Karl Marx? Huh, LINCOLN YOUR A COMMIE FAG
Empire? Excuse me, but people in the South were and still are represented in the government just like the rest of us. You speak of what the Union "supposedly" did to the Southerners. You totally leave out the terrible things that some Southern slave owners did to their slaves. These crimes have been proven, not the ones you speak of. Sounds like Southern conspiracy theories to me.
Um I was under the assumption that everyone and their dog knew that many slaves were mistreated. Yes its an empire by definition. Conspiracy? Hardly, what crimes were you unware of may I inquire?
uh, you know the northerners. (sherman for example) had slaves too right? and only 10% of southerners even owned slaves, no conspiracy theories this is the truth. that's why you have to dig to find it, America is selling you lies in the school system right now, twisting everything up.
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Wow that is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. The northerners owned slaves? Slavery was illegal in the North. Yes only 10% of southerner owned slaves, but in some placed there were more blacks than whites (South Carolina for example, coincidence that it succeeded first?) so it doesn't matter if only one person owned all the slaves, the point is, the government allowed it and was willing to break with the Union to protect it.
no it's the truth, do some real research, it was outlawed by state, not the federal government. All of america was rascist towards black people at that point in time. Do some research all the big northern generals owned slaves and slavery was very legal in some northern states the border states for example. It wasn't abolished there until much later.
I think the confusion is arising from people confusing the slave states and free states. All the slave states didn't secede a good number of them still sided with the union. And slavery was just a mask. If somebody kept coming down as you as a devil and a heathen and somebody that needed to be killed and to top it off was making you pay all their taxes to boot, would you not want to at the very least get away from that person? the radical republicans are responsible for the war, not slavery.
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Not about slavery? When the Democrats decided not to ensure the spread of slavery into the western territories at their Convention in 1859, the Southern delegates walked out without another word. The first state to secede, South Carolina had the highest ratio of slaves to its white population. There more slaves than white people there. The five states that didn't secede were the five that had the lowest ratio of slaves compared to their white population. Coincidence? I doubt it.
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Wasn't abolished until much later? The 13th amendment which banned all slavery in the United States was passed in 1865, only a few months after the war ended.
Lucario1856 is just a liar. If it was all about the "expansion of slavery" then why this even happen? The North and the Republican Party and Lincoln were pro-slavery expansion when push came to shove. Lincoln supported a 13th amendment being made to forever protect slavery and its expansion in his iaugural speech!
Considering the west was owned by the Union where was slavery going to go? The gulf of Mexico? This expansion crap is bullshit. The slave trade was unconditionally outlawed in one of the CSA Constitutions bills of right. Slavery couldn't exist west climate and terrain wouldn't support it and the northern states (the union in 1861) had already outlawed it because of their Blackfobia. Considering 94% of southerners didn't own any slaves and expanding slavery beyond the south was impossible,
@SgtZellmer "The North and the Republican Party and Lincoln were pro-slavery expansion when push came to shove."
No they weren't. The Republicans were adamantly opposed to the expansion of slavery (i.e. slavery in the territories and new slave states being added to the Union).
"Lincoln supported a 13th amendment being made to forever protect slavery and its expansion"
Wrong again. The Corwin amendment was to protect slavery in the states from being interfered with by the US government.
@Lucario1856 yall Most southerns were poor in the civil war. only 6% of southerns owned slaves so where does the other 94% come from? the NORTH OWNED MORE SLAVES THAN THE SOUTH!
@Jasper3478 "the NORTH OWNED MORE SLAVES THAN THE SOUTH!"
ROFLMAO.
According to the Census of 1860, there were 3,521,110 slaves living in the 11 states that would become the Confederate States of America, but there were only 429,401 slaves living in the states that would remain loyal to the Union. Do the math, over 8 times as many slaves lived in the south. Slaves made up the MAJORITY of the population in South Carolina and Mississippi.
Well, I am sitting here absolutely numb. It's after 0630, and I've been up all night looking at this and POW camp stuff. Looking at your video finished me; this finally hit me on an emotional level. OMG, I can't even start to imagine what those people must have suffered. I've always focused on the dead and maimed soldiers, but I never realized what the civilians went through. And then Reconstruction heaped on top of that! I don't think we ever treated anyone else we went to war against this bad!
Yes it is truly horrid what the average (non-slave holding) Southern family had to endure. However we did do things right along the same lines as these again. Dresden,Caen,Erlangan,St.Lo,Berlin,Tokyo,Nagasaki etc etc. Some of those are even in France. Hmm thought we were supposed to be liberating them, sounds kinda like the slave BS huh? It may not have been on the same huge systematic scale as what happened to Dixie. However regardless a lot of Europe, Asia and even North America have suffered.
Not a problem there SgtZellmer. Glad you like it. Its just to remember. Remember what my state,family and fellow Southerners had to go through. All under the pretense "Save the Union" not Free The Slaves. Thats just stupid when people say that. The overwhelming majority of people North or South didnt even own slaves. Besides Lincoln said to Fredrick Douglas "I am firm in my stance that I am making war on secession not slavery"-Lincoln May 2nd 1862
Wow thanks Joe. I mean I knew all these sad facts but thank you for taking the time to put it all together so well. Lincoln and the rest of those "war heroes" were monsters. I am glad to see others tryin to get the TRUTH out there.
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You think the world hates our military because of the civil war? Are you retarded?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
Maturity. Some people just never get it.
marksee123 9 months ago
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Hey, check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
youtube.com/watch?v=oiH_XnqnyHU
ErikLiberty 1 year ago
It amazes me that people are still fighting this war. Get over it!
marksee123 1 year ago
this vid is interesting, it's no secret that lincoln and his 'boys' had a hay day in the South. Yeah, if the South had won that war, those lincoln and his 'boys' whould have been swinging by the neck
statesrights01 2 years ago
I bet you are so pathetic old man, you support the current regime bailing our porno companies and bankers, while hard working Americans are still struggling, you patriots of wealth and corruption are some of the lowest SCUM this society has to offer !!
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
capitalism is a sham. It always was our original economy was not run on capitalism. The capitalist sits back and collects much more wealth than the average worker and worse yet the workers aren't even paid for the full value of their work all while the capitalist gets richer and richer gaining more and more freedom for his family and succeeding generations. This is what has lead to oligopolies that we have set up in every aspect of our economy. It's a wealth transfer from poor to rich.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Capitalism is as close to fair as anything. The Capitalist gets a share of the value of the work as a return on his investment, which encourages him to invest despite risk. The worker gets a share of his work which encourages him to work. A man works for someone else, saves to work for himself, and then as he progresses, hires others to work for him. He can hire because the money he saves belongs to him, not to some amphorous collective.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Capitalism naturally fades away unless there's a state. Then you have the mess we have today.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Capitalism is not a fair share. They fill your head with that stuff because the rich in control like making more money. Capitalism creates a pyramid shaped job structure. Unless you get promoted to a more elite noble position you can never make any more money after the ceiling. The more you get promoted the less superiors you have until you get to the president who makes the most real fair? Most of society is forced to work for a few capitalists the only ones really free in the whole equation.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Capitalism is the only way to ever get a fair share. Money is only of value when traded for goods and services, or promises. When you agree to a price, you agree that it is fair.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Corruption is what happens when socialism gives the government the power to steal savings using force, rather than getting voluntary agreement. Without the ability to use force, people may make bad deals, but they need to be offered a deal with which they agree. The government is not a safe guardian of people's rights because the rich have greater resources with which to bribe the Judge.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
see now you're not making any sense. a state is corrupt. It grows more corrupt the more it steals. Label it what ever you want government size naturally grows. This is what they do. Watch some videos on this guy's channel he does a good job explaining how a state works (and why it's bad).
Luigi84289 2 years ago
(was high) check out Fringe Elements. (was browsing his channel thought I was still there).
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The conventions 1776 everything all done by the rich. people don't put 2 and 2 together. The majority of Americans didn't even want to leave England. (Though I'm glad we did) The higher up you go the more you take from the workers, the people doing the real work. Anybody can supervise and do paperwork. The only reason that person is needed is because we have developed our country around state protected Capitalism. In nature dictators are looked at as a bad thing but in the state we praise them.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
You're overlooking the fact that the average grunt has no way to build up sufficient savings in the first place and what little they can scrounge is cut further by inflation. The elite own everything and hand us just enough to survive. Real fair. Capitalism creates a pyramid shape job structure as resources and assets are bought up with the capitalist on top once you go below that person (or board) income is exponentially shrunk. Leaving base level people (workers) making crumbs with a ceiling.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Even the General Manager at the wendy's I used to work at only made 25,000 a year and this was 5 years ago.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
And why didn't this general manager get a job that paid more? He just liked hanging around you?
DonMeaker 2 years ago
You are overlooking the fact that every year domestic production creates more value than all the money owed by the government. Capital is only used when it is transferred. The only way to exploit your capital is to give it in return for goods and promises created by others. By agreeing to take money in return for goods or promises, you agree that the price and terms are fair. If you don't think it fair, don't take the money until it is fair.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Yes, the Fed. Reserve helped to start the crash of 1929 if you don't see how the elites planned this all through war as they always do, you are a patriotic fool. I bet you are stupid enough to go risk your life like the animals they use to do the dirty work on the battlefields of elite wealth and corruption. This post was originally about Lincoln, and you can't even handle the truth about that mythic tyrant, much less the truth about what your fat belly wrinkled old generation were whores of !
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
A lot of the elites lost a bunch. My great grandfather had a chain of grocery stores, farms, trucks, and warehouses, and nearly lost it. He was able to hold it together by extending credit far beyone what was normal. That store policy to some extent counteracted for his locality some of the reduction in money supply. He had three sons, and several grandsons who fought in WWII. I think your paranoia is no better grounding than your history.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Your full of shit, that's why I am about to get my master's in January, after this semester. Your just an old geezer who can't take the fact that your heros were just corporate filth. Lincoln proved how racist he was on many ocassions, including the famed 1858 debates with Douglas. He said several times he would preserve the Union even if he DID NOT have to free the slaves, his goal was to preserve the tyranny of the fed. gov. onto the little peasants beneath. Lincoln was a Marxist old man !
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
I got my masters some 20 years ago. Let me know when you grow up.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Free or slave the black man was not American to him. He makes it quite clear that even if they are freed the long term plan is deportation.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Your argument is going down hill as you depart from reality.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
This continues today with our american war criminals occupying Iraq. Under King George's orders.
KultureJamCollective 2 years ago 2
relations. Europe was antislavery. The conclusion is obvious. That's why the rich slave owners (stephens abes friend and sam houston) among many others sided with the pro southern slavery union. Davis wanted to end it he sided unconditionally with the Confederacy as long as the people wanted it.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
there's never been a war of independence for the expansion of slavery or in defense of slavery and their never will be. Southerners were opposed to the institution. The only way to rid themselves of it was to get away from the proterrorst southern hating radicals and peacably abolish it through compensation the only feasable method that the north denied us for 45 years while they did just that. As our own independent nation (which relied on exports) this was imperative to good overseas
Luigi84289 2 years ago
So you claim that NY state managed to ban slavery while SC state really wanted to but couldn't because they were prevented by the EVIL republicans...Gosh that has to be some really good drugs you found.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
And you have it wrong the south defended it's land when the north refused to leave. They were asked and lincoln responded by having more troops on the way. Northern troops were from a foreign nation. It would be no different to having mexican troops invade texas and expelling them. Would that be an act of war or is the invading country the one who would really be at fault?
Luigi84289 2 years ago 3
It was a pride thing. The north started spouting blatant lies about the institution. Uncle Tom's cabin which is now passed off as truth but is an obvious lie if you look at plantation records is the culmination of those lies. The north and south worked arduously to end it before the crazy radical abolitionists damaged relations. Read Jefferson. Slavery is not what you think it is. The crap federal education has ruined the country.
Luigi84289 2 years ago 3
is it wrong, yes, was abolishing it fantastic and a godsend yes but most americans don't know any truth about it or the actual slaves point of view. I didn't say the feds were actually using congressional power to prevent it's abolition it was a psychological thing the north had a god complex, nobody wants to give in to somebody with a god complex that thinks they are better than you.
Luigi84289 2 years ago 3
And it was impossible to do it the way the radicals wanted without mass suffering and death for blacks and whites and the total destruction of the economy. Instead of allowing for compensated emancipation so workers could be hired.
Luigi84289 2 years ago 2
Methinks he doth protest too much.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
back voluntarily for the old union to be restored, just like it was originally created and it took awhile for even the original 13 states to voluntarily join, the republic of vermont refused to (the 14th state) until 1791, what we have now is an empire.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Actually, Vermont was disputed land, disputed between NY and New Hampshire. The separate state was considered the solution. The old name for Vermont was "New Hampshire Grants".
DonMeaker 2 years ago
unfeasable, and would ignite fire among the union and destroy the bond of friendship the confederacy was trying to form with them before Lincoln decided to start an irrational illogical war. . .
Luigi84289 2 years ago
It was the South that raised mass armies before the US government. It was the South that opened fire on Ft Sumter before Maj Anderson could surrender. So it was the South that started the war, with an intent to expand the land and territory open to slavery. Shameful lie, in support of a shameful institution.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
no it wasn't. Define mass army. I would think the norths 75,000 would be a mass army. The south didn't have an army even remotely close to that number until the north (lincoln) declared war on americans. Ft sumpter is south carolina's land. They fought hard along with the other states for freedom from britian it isn't the state created feds land or in other words "other states" as those were the states left in the union.
Luigi84289 2 years ago 3
They may have fought against Britain, but the U.S. is NOTHING more than a British corporation and always has been. B.A.R. in court, like when a lawyer takes a bar exam, means "British Accreditied Registry" Why NOT an American registry ? DUH, there is NO independent American law away from the British Admiralty law that this corporation of the U.S. is founded upon. So those people who fought and died were just pimped peasants of elitist corruption. The U.S. is a British corporation still.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
US is not british corporation, as proven by two wars. Bar "The use of the term bar to mean "the whole body of lawyers, the legal profession" comes ultimately from English custom. In the early 16th century, a railing divided the hall in the Inns of Court, with students occupying the body of the hall and readers or benchers on the other side.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
That is one of the greatest patriotic lies and deceits that I have ever heard. Are you lying to me that BAR in court does not mean British Accredited Registry ?? The flags in court carry gold tassles that represent the British Admiralty law of these courts. British soldiers stayed in this country for YEARS after the so called "revolution" ended. You are a patriotic myth mongerer, your lies and prostitution to bloodline elites who control your every thought will NOT work with educated men.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
smoke dope much?
DonMeaker 2 years ago
First, only Congress can declare war, not the President. Second Ft. Sumpter was and is US federal property. Third, the rebels began to rail their army before Lincoln called for soldiers from the US states.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
You are so ignorant and uninformed. Lincoln started the war against the whole south dumb ass, NOT just SC. If SC fired, then it was SC to attack, not the whole damn south. You public school retards who never graduated college clinging to your myths are pukefied. Africans OWNED slaves here too moron, just like they SOLD their own people to the traders at the African slave ship docks. Your myths about a political tyrant will NOT stand against educated facts BOY !!
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
Of course americans of african heritage owned slaves. That was how a freed slave could buy freedom for his wife and children.
No doubt that Africans sold Africans into slavery. In Ghana, their are "slave forts" used to hold slaves for shipment. They were first used to hold slaves from Nigeria for shipment to the gold mines of Ghana!
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Yes, slavery was wrong and shameful, but when liberal propagandists like you admit the number of Africans who owned slaves in America too, NOT to mention the number of Africans who SOLD their own people to the slave traders at the African ship docks, then you will be about half the man you think you are now. Africans were just as responible for slavery as anyone else, just like the WHITE slavery that cowards like you never speak of, you cover it up by saying "indentured servitude."
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
Keep in mind that there was a shortage of workers in the colonies, they tried to enslave everyone, white, black, and indian/indigenous. Whites could run off, and be indistinguishable from others. Indians could run to the next villiage and return with a raiding party. Blacks were color coded, with the presumption of slavery, and only those with papers could be free. Local sheriffs were informed of free blacks within their jurisdiction, to help prevent errors.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
What do you mean proven by two wars, wars are always set ups, where low class peasants go give up their lives like animals for wealthy tyranncy. Kissinger said it best, "military men are like animals, with their lives to be used as nothing more than pawn pieces in the political chess game that is foreign policy." The firt war set up the market crash of 1929, the second war set up Zionism and the raping of Palestine, as Isis-Ra- and El took it over. You are a patriotic myth monger !
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago 2
Never heard of the firt war.
The 1929 crash was actually set up by the Fed Reserve which inflated the currency to cover weakness in British pound in 1927, Was it influenced by events prior to that? Sure, EVERYTHING is influenced by prior events. Zionism predated WWII. A brief look at Mark Twain's book Innocents Abroad, will give you a description of the desolate nature of Palestine around 1900. By 1930 Jews had been moving in, buying land, and building up the area for years. Facts.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
That was a typo smart ass, I have met your type my whole life, you are patriotic prostitutes of wealth and corruption. Nothing about Lincoln's racism, or his tyrannical decisions bother you because you are a pimped out myth mongering patriot.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
So what did you mean by the firt war?
DonMeaker 2 years ago
There is more to the first WW than meets the eye. Didn't you find the explanation a bit lacking? And why would America get involved if there was nothing to gain. We supported Germany for the first two years (all over newspapers here) then we fight on the side of the allies. If it hadn't been for us Europe would have remained virtually the same due to stalemate.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Actually the US didn't support either side, but ended up doing a lot of business with the Allies who could use the seas, compared to the Germans and Turks which couldn't. The German resumption of illegal submarine warfare, coupled with the illegal use of diplomatic priviledge to try to get Mexico to ally against the US, which message was sent using US telegraphic assets.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
do I have to pull out an old newspaper? The us was pro axis at the beginning of the war. America wanted nothing to do with it. The president and his buddies did just like Iraq and the rise of Fascism (contained socialism) is a result.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
I live in Jackson Mississippi..it was known then(and still) as "chimneyville", because the union invaders left nothing standing but the stone-work chimneys. Sadly, our nation still doesn't mind a little "collateral damage" when it comes to innocent civilians..and don't bother denying it, I'm an infantry veteran of the ongoing Iraq war
gtw213 2 years ago 7
Hey, my little sister lives in Jackson. My sympathies, for what you had to go through in the "dust bowl" Yes, even looking at old photographs one can easily see what was left in our States... a whole lot of nothing.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
Everyone has been brainwashed in the states on myths and lies. I can NOT believe that (even with the brainwashing by the public schools, media, & Hollywood) that people are still STUPID enough to think the War was over Slavery. Obviously, they are blind and missing the Majority of the facts. Go purchase 'Myths of AMERICAN Slavery' by an author Kennedy. It is highly documented. DEO VINDICE!!
coldh2ocarp 3 years ago 15
In the north the war was not particularly in freeing slaves. President Lincoln's only objective of the war was to reunite the country that had been torn apart by lies and controversies. Freeing slaves was just stuck in the middle somewhere.
CoNsPiRaCy93 2 years ago
The fallacy of that is that you can't mend a broken union through violence. If you start killing the people your'e trying to reunite with, look at them as heathens and evil sinners who deserve to rot in hell, no good second class citiznes, doesn't that just instill the opposite reaction to the one you want? Burning down the south and murdering 300,000 southerners is no way to "mend" a broken union. People would have had to come
Luigi84289 2 years ago
@coldh2ocarp In the North, the war was over secession. In the South, the war was over slavery. Read the Declaration of the Causes of Secession for the seceding states. For South Carolina, it was ALL about slavery, they never even mention taxes.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
Yes perfect motivation to desert. It was psychological warfare. It worked. I would desert too. They to see if their families were still alive. If so if their wives had been raped, fields sowed with salt home burned etc. Most of the time that was all the case. Yes surrendered to end the terrorism on their people. It was only the responsible thing to do.
Joseph565112 3 years ago
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If it was as bad as you say, then why were their such heavy rebel desertions in the war. Atrocities like that provide perfect motivation. And I would like to add that after Sherman and Sheridan did their things, Lee, Johnston, etc surrendered months later.
DPKFOUR7 3 years ago
Yeah FUCK you Lincoln! J W Booth killed your sorry ass and for a good reason! Tyrannous commie fag! Did yall know that faggot the robots of the north worship like Jesus was best friends with Karl Marx? Huh, LINCOLN YOUR A COMMIE FAG
crazycuntryboy2 3 years ago 4
All at the hands of the United States Empire.
Joseph565112 3 years ago
Empire? Excuse me, but people in the South were and still are represented in the government just like the rest of us. You speak of what the Union "supposedly" did to the Southerners. You totally leave out the terrible things that some Southern slave owners did to their slaves. These crimes have been proven, not the ones you speak of. Sounds like Southern conspiracy theories to me.
Lucario1856 3 years ago
Um I was under the assumption that everyone and their dog knew that many slaves were mistreated. Yes its an empire by definition. Conspiracy? Hardly, what crimes were you unware of may I inquire?
Joseph565112 3 years ago
uh, you know the northerners. (sherman for example) had slaves too right? and only 10% of southerners even owned slaves, no conspiracy theories this is the truth. that's why you have to dig to find it, America is selling you lies in the school system right now, twisting everything up.
Luigi84289 3 years ago 6
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Wow that is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. The northerners owned slaves? Slavery was illegal in the North. Yes only 10% of southerner owned slaves, but in some placed there were more blacks than whites (South Carolina for example, coincidence that it succeeded first?) so it doesn't matter if only one person owned all the slaves, the point is, the government allowed it and was willing to break with the Union to protect it.
Lucario1856 3 years ago
no it's the truth, do some real research, it was outlawed by state, not the federal government. All of america was rascist towards black people at that point in time. Do some research all the big northern generals owned slaves and slavery was very legal in some northern states the border states for example. It wasn't abolished there until much later.
Luigi84289 3 years ago 7
I think the confusion is arising from people confusing the slave states and free states. All the slave states didn't secede a good number of them still sided with the union. And slavery was just a mask. If somebody kept coming down as you as a devil and a heathen and somebody that needed to be killed and to top it off was making you pay all their taxes to boot, would you not want to at the very least get away from that person? the radical republicans are responsible for the war, not slavery.
Luigi84289 3 years ago 8
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Not about slavery? When the Democrats decided not to ensure the spread of slavery into the western territories at their Convention in 1859, the Southern delegates walked out without another word. The first state to secede, South Carolina had the highest ratio of slaves to its white population. There more slaves than white people there. The five states that didn't secede were the five that had the lowest ratio of slaves compared to their white population. Coincidence? I doubt it.
Lucario1856 3 years ago
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Wasn't abolished until much later? The 13th amendment which banned all slavery in the United States was passed in 1865, only a few months after the war ended.
Lucario1856 3 years ago
Lucario1856 is just a liar. If it was all about the "expansion of slavery" then why this even happen? The North and the Republican Party and Lincoln were pro-slavery expansion when push came to shove. Lincoln supported a 13th amendment being made to forever protect slavery and its expansion in his iaugural speech!
SgtZellmer 3 years ago 6
Considering the west was owned by the Union where was slavery going to go? The gulf of Mexico? This expansion crap is bullshit. The slave trade was unconditionally outlawed in one of the CSA Constitutions bills of right. Slavery couldn't exist west climate and terrain wouldn't support it and the northern states (the union in 1861) had already outlawed it because of their Blackfobia. Considering 94% of southerners didn't own any slaves and expanding slavery beyond the south was impossible,
Luigi84289 2 years ago
@SgtZellmer "The North and the Republican Party and Lincoln were pro-slavery expansion when push came to shove."
No they weren't. The Republicans were adamantly opposed to the expansion of slavery (i.e. slavery in the territories and new slave states being added to the Union).
"Lincoln supported a 13th amendment being made to forever protect slavery and its expansion"
Wrong again. The Corwin amendment was to protect slavery in the states from being interfered with by the US government.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@Lucario1856 yall Most southerns were poor in the civil war. only 6% of southerns owned slaves so where does the other 94% come from? the NORTH OWNED MORE SLAVES THAN THE SOUTH!
Jasper3478 1 year ago
@Jasper3478 "the NORTH OWNED MORE SLAVES THAN THE SOUTH!"
ROFLMAO.
According to the Census of 1860, there were 3,521,110 slaves living in the 11 states that would become the Confederate States of America, but there were only 429,401 slaves living in the states that would remain loyal to the Union. Do the math, over 8 times as many slaves lived in the south. Slaves made up the MAJORITY of the population in South Carolina and Mississippi.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
Well, I am sitting here absolutely numb. It's after 0630, and I've been up all night looking at this and POW camp stuff. Looking at your video finished me; this finally hit me on an emotional level. OMG, I can't even start to imagine what those people must have suffered. I've always focused on the dead and maimed soldiers, but I never realized what the civilians went through. And then Reconstruction heaped on top of that! I don't think we ever treated anyone else we went to war against this bad!
3rdconfederate 3 years ago 6
Yes it is truly horrid what the average (non-slave holding) Southern family had to endure. However we did do things right along the same lines as these again. Dresden,Caen,Erlangan,St.Lo,Berlin,Tokyo,Nagasaki etc etc. Some of those are even in France. Hmm thought we were supposed to be liberating them, sounds kinda like the slave BS huh? It may not have been on the same huge systematic scale as what happened to Dixie. However regardless a lot of Europe, Asia and even North America have suffered.
Joseph565112 3 years ago
very informative!
803honda 3 years ago 4
Not a problem there SgtZellmer. Glad you like it. Its just to remember. Remember what my state,family and fellow Southerners had to go through. All under the pretense "Save the Union" not Free The Slaves. Thats just stupid when people say that. The overwhelming majority of people North or South didnt even own slaves. Besides Lincoln said to Fredrick Douglas "I am firm in my stance that I am making war on secession not slavery"-Lincoln May 2nd 1862
DEO VINDICE
Joseph565112 3 years ago
Wow thanks Joe. I mean I knew all these sad facts but thank you for taking the time to put it all together so well. Lincoln and the rest of those "war heroes" were monsters. I am glad to see others tryin to get the TRUTH out there.
Deo Vindice brother
SgtZellmer 3 years ago 5