And it's much better! If the mudskipper is treated with thyroxine in its ontogenesis, the morphology changes significantly: The fish has smaller gill chambers, stouter pectoral fins, a dryer skin, and so on. Only one more step was needed to have a natural thyroxine adjustment by a mutation - that would represent an evolutionary step from water to land. See (German):
Lorenzen S. (1988) Die Bedeutung synergetischer Modelle für das Verständnis der Makroevolution. Eclogae Geol. Helv 81, 927-933
Penguins, seals and walruses sleep on land and feed in the ocean, yet we found walrusus and seals with exact features, dating 25million years ago. If these mothafuckas don't evolve and stay the same, it proves that mudskippers along with crabs that come on land are just God's creation. After all we humans go in the water too, we feed there, and recreation. These animals feed in the ocean but sleep on land or feed on bugs or just chill in the sun. God made them that way, so they can do both.
@2pacOG "God made them that way, so they can do both"
What about the nested hierarchy they explained to you? Molecular biology shows that Mudskippers along with all other forms of life fit into a nested hierarchy. That could not have happened if everything was "specially created" unless God is deliberately trying to deceive us.
BTW, why do you accuse people who disagree with you of having sexual intercourse with their mothers?
@foxlake02 Bro, your stalking in all videos. No I don't call all people bad things. I like you though, your humble and if all evolutionist and atheist were like you then I would have no hate for them. I bet you are more holy then me, I curse smoke weed and make trouble. I mean in all of my replies, I mocked and wanted to provoke you, but you never lost your cool, that's a blessing man. The reason why I do call people bad things, is because im the majority so I always feel like a big balla.
@2pacOG LOL, yes you may be in the majority in the US but not the rest of the world. I stalk because you don't reply to the evidence presented to you. You just repeat your misinformation on other videos. I was like you once and then I decided I did not need to dumb down for religion. Now I find biology and the study of life much more fascinating than any dogma that man could make up.
@foxlake02 No bro, I aint american, Im X muslim from the middle east and we are the majority there too, in fact the government carries executions of atheist and homosexual in the public. And evolution is not even known there. People dont hear about ever. Internet blocks any non islamic teachings. So they only hear one thing. Muslim have 1.8 billion in the world. All the world believes in God, so im the majority in the world not in the usa alone.
@2pacOG Believing in God is not the same thing as rejecting the theory of evolution. All you are saying is that Muslims countries are heavily censored. That is not news. In countries that enjoy free expression of ideas, biological evolution is becoming more accepted by the public all the time. That is really beside the point though. It is the evidence that supports the theory, not it's popularity. You still have no good rebuttal to the evidence. Actually, you do not seem to even understand it.
@foxlake02 whata fuk is wrong with you now you getting me angry, I said im am the fukin majority in the usa and the world. In africa and middle east and many parts of europe, evolution is a fukin joke, no one even hears about it. Only north america, and even north america its some minority bullshit.
@2pacOG Why would that make you angry? All I said was that it is evidence that supports a scientific theory not how popular it is. The fact that is is censored or that it is not culturally unacceptable does not make it any less true.
@foxlake02 No, I got pissed because you trying to say evolution is being accepted in countries with freedom, but I said that's bullshit, because Islam is taking over europe, so the only place that might enjoy evolution for a while, is north america and even here it some bullshit, people laugh about when they smoke weed. We came of monkey, fuk that shit. South america is no different then africa or middle east. They all catholic.
@2pacOG All I said was that when you have a free exchange of information the theory of evolution does gain more acceptance by the general population. When it is suppressed or censored it does not. That just stands to reason but It is still the evidence that supports the theory not it's popularity. THe theory does not say we came of monkey. You should study what it really says before you try to debunk it.
@2pacOG Your grammar is terrible. And the reason people joke about is when they smoke weed is because they have nothing better to do. Presumably, they are high school/college drop outs with no education. It's not a coincidence, it's a correlation.
@GO302 WOW, it's sad how kids are trying to be grammatically right on fuking youtube. WOW that's lame. Bro chill. And I already know your type, you have no girlfriend and your a house niggah. Always staying home, right? How do I know this, because only those type of fags worry about grammar on fucking youtube. WOW lame. I write perfect essay for a teacher or someshit, but not fucking youtube kids. Get a girlfriend, go out more and don't worry academically unless necessary, youtube?????????. SAD.
@GO302 Terrible grammar annoys me as well. However, I wouldn't put smoking marijuana in the same category as one who can't speak or type coherently or with people who are dropouts with no education. I have a college degree, I strive for impeccable grammar, and I smoke marijuana to help me with the severe physical pain I'm in (I won't go into that). I also own my own business and have a gorgeous wife (I know 2pacOG thinks intellectuals can't even get girlfriends). He's a troll, not a model. :)
@AntiTheistAtheist It suprises me how some1 who claims to have a degree and a thriving life fails to notice how biased they sound. Anywho, speaking of mariguana, its reasonable for the "mariguana"and "dropouts" words to be mention in the same sentence; since most mariguana smokers are dropouts or college bums who have a bunch of withdrawals in their records and get their tuition payed by their parents. Does any of that sounds familiar? ha ha
it doesnt matter how the mudskipper or any other animals were made becuase they all go to hell only humans go to heaven cuz we are special and god loves us only, unless we follow our natural instincts of course.. like having sex, being greedy, or killing stuff. too bad we were made like this.. i guess everyone is going to hell then.
for millions of years this creature remained the same? hasnt developed 4 legs..or capable lungs? got this far to just...stop? wth....? Macroevolution yes...microevolution still fails...also it is clearly stated they changed to suit there environment not to progress into a higher intelligent human life form...a creationist wont deny its ability to adapt...we deny its ability to progress into human life.
Of course Mudskippers don't leave their habitat - they're quite in their place where they are, and the land positions have already been filled with other land-adapted species. The first fish back in the day would have no competition on land. ;)
And uh, look up scala natura fallacy. Things aren't headed 'up' anywhere. Everything's equally far evolved, and we are in no way 'higher' than any of the others except in what particular trait is exaggerated (intelligence). ;)
@RDissonant then explain the correaltion to natural selection if the prior or creatures that have acended from it. Btw the simple terms defy what ever else you were saying evolution implies increasing complextity or advancment. anyway natural selection would imply that there would be a synchronized linear pattern of evolving my question is why did this stay the same or nearly for "millions" of years while others became humans =.= and top of the food chain.
@grayme28 Your mistake is in your premise that 'Natural selection would imply taht there would be a synchronized linear pattern of evolving'. I see no reason why Natural Selection implies anything of the sort - indeed, evolution can be very quick (as in bacteria, viruses, some types of fish) and slow (apex creatures like crocodiles for example) and even individual genes can have different speeds of evolving. Nor is there an endgoal (like the Scala Natura) so you are quite off.
@RDissonant erm not quite sir. It is evolutionist who imply that natural selection is a sychronized process example where is the "missing link" from humans and apes? they died off? suggesting that the previous creatures that needed to evolve were simply some form of prototype and become left behind. leaving only the evolved more suitable creature this is the excuse from all evolutionist as to why these so called "link" species are not existant today.
@grayme28 You seem to be under the impression that so-called 'missing links' go extinct - almost by definition this doesn't happen, since it is the 'missing links' that are our ancestors - ergo, they are us. Certainly you could find fossils of the time when this species lived (We have a few dozen for humans now) but it seems weird to assume they'd still be around today. Regardless of that, a few cousin species of our own survived until recently; Neanderthals and Floriensis come to mind.
@RDissonant "Regardless of that, a few "cousin" species of our own survived until recently; Neanderthals and Floriensis come to mind" -my sentiments exactly why is it that the neanderthals which were "closer" to human beings have vanished...without a trace... rather than the chimp or gorrilla the more primitive of the ape species outlasted them? inbreeding completly wiped them out is that waht your saying? i find it ironic.
@grayme28 Nah, most animal species go extinct (upwards of 90%) so it's no surprise that we have but a smattering of surviving species from any one lineage. The majority of extinctions are not due to inbreeding but environmental factors or competition. In the case of the other hominids, the most likely culprit is Homo Sapiens - who are also responsible for a great many other extinctions, incidentally. The most likely reason the other hominids died : us. ;)
Good video but I think you should have put some pictire of their close water bound realitives as well to show the contrast.
KillerBee256 1 month ago
And it's much better! If the mudskipper is treated with thyroxine in its ontogenesis, the morphology changes significantly: The fish has smaller gill chambers, stouter pectoral fins, a dryer skin, and so on. Only one more step was needed to have a natural thyroxine adjustment by a mutation - that would represent an evolutionary step from water to land. See (German):
Lorenzen S. (1988) Die Bedeutung synergetischer Modelle für das Verständnis der Makroevolution. Eclogae Geol. Helv 81, 927-933
AGEvoBio 5 months ago
It's a nice example of 'gradation' in nature.
jnoort 1 year ago
I love mudskippers! Talking to creationists about mudskippers is like trying to tell Hitler that killing jews is wrong. It's just not gonna happen
GO302 1 year ago
@2pacOG
What you have said about the level of acceptance of evolution around the world is in direct opposition to the truth.
Search for the 2006 study by Jon Miller et al about the public acceptance of evolution.
Augmata 1 year ago
Penguins, seals and walruses sleep on land and feed in the ocean, yet we found walrusus and seals with exact features, dating 25million years ago. If these mothafuckas don't evolve and stay the same, it proves that mudskippers along with crabs that come on land are just God's creation. After all we humans go in the water too, we feed there, and recreation. These animals feed in the ocean but sleep on land or feed on bugs or just chill in the sun. God made them that way, so they can do both.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG "God made them that way, so they can do both"
What about the nested hierarchy they explained to you? Molecular biology shows that Mudskippers along with all other forms of life fit into a nested hierarchy. That could not have happened if everything was "specially created" unless God is deliberately trying to deceive us.
BTW, why do you accuse people who disagree with you of having sexual intercourse with their mothers?
foxlake02 1 year ago
@foxlake02 Bro, your stalking in all videos. No I don't call all people bad things. I like you though, your humble and if all evolutionist and atheist were like you then I would have no hate for them. I bet you are more holy then me, I curse smoke weed and make trouble. I mean in all of my replies, I mocked and wanted to provoke you, but you never lost your cool, that's a blessing man. The reason why I do call people bad things, is because im the majority so I always feel like a big balla.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG LOL, yes you may be in the majority in the US but not the rest of the world. I stalk because you don't reply to the evidence presented to you. You just repeat your misinformation on other videos. I was like you once and then I decided I did not need to dumb down for religion. Now I find biology and the study of life much more fascinating than any dogma that man could make up.
foxlake02 1 year ago
@foxlake02 No bro, I aint american, Im X muslim from the middle east and we are the majority there too, in fact the government carries executions of atheist and homosexual in the public. And evolution is not even known there. People dont hear about ever. Internet blocks any non islamic teachings. So they only hear one thing. Muslim have 1.8 billion in the world. All the world believes in God, so im the majority in the world not in the usa alone.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG Believing in God is not the same thing as rejecting the theory of evolution. All you are saying is that Muslims countries are heavily censored. That is not news. In countries that enjoy free expression of ideas, biological evolution is becoming more accepted by the public all the time. That is really beside the point though. It is the evidence that supports the theory, not it's popularity. You still have no good rebuttal to the evidence. Actually, you do not seem to even understand it.
foxlake02 1 year ago
@foxlake02 whata fuk is wrong with you now you getting me angry, I said im am the fukin majority in the usa and the world. In africa and middle east and many parts of europe, evolution is a fukin joke, no one even hears about it. Only north america, and even north america its some minority bullshit.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG Why would that make you angry? All I said was that it is evidence that supports a scientific theory not how popular it is. The fact that is is censored or that it is not culturally unacceptable does not make it any less true.
foxlake02 1 year ago
@foxlake02 No, I got pissed because you trying to say evolution is being accepted in countries with freedom, but I said that's bullshit, because Islam is taking over europe, so the only place that might enjoy evolution for a while, is north america and even here it some bullshit, people laugh about when they smoke weed. We came of monkey, fuk that shit. South america is no different then africa or middle east. They all catholic.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG All I said was that when you have a free exchange of information the theory of evolution does gain more acceptance by the general population. When it is suppressed or censored it does not. That just stands to reason but It is still the evidence that supports the theory not it's popularity. THe theory does not say we came of monkey. You should study what it really says before you try to debunk it.
foxlake02 1 year ago
@2pacOG Your grammar is terrible. And the reason people joke about is when they smoke weed is because they have nothing better to do. Presumably, they are high school/college drop outs with no education. It's not a coincidence, it's a correlation.
GO302 1 year ago
@GO302 WOW, it's sad how kids are trying to be grammatically right on fuking youtube. WOW that's lame. Bro chill. And I already know your type, you have no girlfriend and your a house niggah. Always staying home, right? How do I know this, because only those type of fags worry about grammar on fucking youtube. WOW lame. I write perfect essay for a teacher or someshit, but not fucking youtube kids. Get a girlfriend, go out more and don't worry academically unless necessary, youtube?????????. SAD.
2pacOG 1 year ago
@2pacOG hahaha, you don't know me. Dust yourself off and try again, tupac.
GO302 1 year ago
@GO302 Terrible grammar annoys me as well. However, I wouldn't put smoking marijuana in the same category as one who can't speak or type coherently or with people who are dropouts with no education. I have a college degree, I strive for impeccable grammar, and I smoke marijuana to help me with the severe physical pain I'm in (I won't go into that). I also own my own business and have a gorgeous wife (I know 2pacOG thinks intellectuals can't even get girlfriends). He's a troll, not a model. :)
AntiTheistAtheist 1 year ago
@AntiTheistAtheist It suprises me how some1 who claims to have a degree and a thriving life fails to notice how biased they sound. Anywho, speaking of mariguana, its reasonable for the "mariguana"and "dropouts" words to be mention in the same sentence; since most mariguana smokers are dropouts or college bums who have a bunch of withdrawals in their records and get their tuition payed by their parents. Does any of that sounds familiar? ha ha
AspiePilo82 2 weeks ago
@sifristube
LIES!! Everyone knows Vishnu did it!!
JetpackNinjaDinosaur 1 year ago
no need to evolve if the environment doesn't change.
bouiglob 2 years ago
Funny evolutinists how the mudskipper hasn't evoled, evolution my ASS!
hat655 2 years ago
it doesnt matter how the mudskipper or any other animals were made becuase they all go to hell only humans go to heaven cuz we are special and god loves us only, unless we follow our natural instincts of course.. like having sex, being greedy, or killing stuff. too bad we were made like this.. i guess everyone is going to hell then.
madnesscombat5 2 years ago
Well, evolution obviously got them this way... :P
RDissonant 2 years ago
for millions of years this creature remained the same? hasnt developed 4 legs..or capable lungs? got this far to just...stop? wth....? Macroevolution yes...microevolution still fails...also it is clearly stated they changed to suit there environment not to progress into a higher intelligent human life form...a creationist wont deny its ability to adapt...we deny its ability to progress into human life.
grayme28 2 years ago
Of course Mudskippers don't leave their habitat - they're quite in their place where they are, and the land positions have already been filled with other land-adapted species. The first fish back in the day would have no competition on land. ;)
And uh, look up scala natura fallacy. Things aren't headed 'up' anywhere. Everything's equally far evolved, and we are in no way 'higher' than any of the others except in what particular trait is exaggerated (intelligence). ;)
RDissonant 2 years ago
@RDissonant then explain the correaltion to natural selection if the prior or creatures that have acended from it. Btw the simple terms defy what ever else you were saying evolution implies increasing complextity or advancment. anyway natural selection would imply that there would be a synchronized linear pattern of evolving my question is why did this stay the same or nearly for "millions" of years while others became humans =.= and top of the food chain.
grayme28 1 year ago
@grayme28 Your mistake is in your premise that 'Natural selection would imply taht there would be a synchronized linear pattern of evolving'. I see no reason why Natural Selection implies anything of the sort - indeed, evolution can be very quick (as in bacteria, viruses, some types of fish) and slow (apex creatures like crocodiles for example) and even individual genes can have different speeds of evolving. Nor is there an endgoal (like the Scala Natura) so you are quite off.
RDissonant 1 year ago
@RDissonant erm not quite sir. It is evolutionist who imply that natural selection is a sychronized process example where is the "missing link" from humans and apes? they died off? suggesting that the previous creatures that needed to evolve were simply some form of prototype and become left behind. leaving only the evolved more suitable creature this is the excuse from all evolutionist as to why these so called "link" species are not existant today.
grayme28 1 year ago
@grayme28 You seem to be under the impression that so-called 'missing links' go extinct - almost by definition this doesn't happen, since it is the 'missing links' that are our ancestors - ergo, they are us. Certainly you could find fossils of the time when this species lived (We have a few dozen for humans now) but it seems weird to assume they'd still be around today. Regardless of that, a few cousin species of our own survived until recently; Neanderthals and Floriensis come to mind.
RDissonant 1 year ago
@RDissonant "Regardless of that, a few "cousin" species of our own survived until recently; Neanderthals and Floriensis come to mind" -my sentiments exactly why is it that the neanderthals which were "closer" to human beings have vanished...without a trace... rather than the chimp or gorrilla the more primitive of the ape species outlasted them? inbreeding completly wiped them out is that waht your saying? i find it ironic.
grayme28 1 year ago
@grayme28 Nah, most animal species go extinct (upwards of 90%) so it's no surprise that we have but a smattering of surviving species from any one lineage. The majority of extinctions are not due to inbreeding but environmental factors or competition. In the case of the other hominids, the most likely culprit is Homo Sapiens - who are also responsible for a great many other extinctions, incidentally. The most likely reason the other hominids died : us. ;)
RDissonant 1 year ago
@grayme28 chimps are not more primitive, they have less brain capacity but thats it, we are all (animals) equally evolved
patrickledford420 1 year ago
Ahahaha dumbass. You're a shame to Europe.
hippydude89 2 years ago
You just know creationist dumbasses won't accept this.
kehwa 2 years ago 2
Definitely.
RDissonant 2 years ago
haha good one
warpedwiselegoman 2 years ago 2