Sooooooooooooooo....God loves us so much why did he put us right next to the evil touch anything and it corrodes devil?Then condemn us for a decision someone else made?Why give us sinful bodies and free will if that will send us to eternal punishment pagan inserted ideal hell?Why do I have to be ashamed of my body and thoughts?Why am I taught I'm worthless without God?Why do I want to become something if God points me somewhere else or has a "plan"?What's the point of life with that in mind?
so god condemned the world for two people eating from a tree that he needn't created, but did, and sent his son to be sacrificed to alleviate the condemning... even though he could have just forgiven humanity, because humanity didn't do it the two people did, and on top of all that, it was all according to plan? now, i understand how stupid all Christians are for believing this BS
@joshmonster94 god was once like you.. he faced doubts and encountered sin.. where you, i, and all of humanity differ from him is that he lived a life without sin to prove it could be done. and then he sacrificed himself because it needed to be done. you attempt to trivialize it by clouding your judgement and rationalizing sin of eating fruit as "small sin" but how desensitized must you be to not see how small sin grows until there are no absolutes, only a sad wash of grey, mediocre at best.
uhhm, yeah. i do trivialize it, like when watching or reading badly written stories you can point out the mistakes, the tree was pointless, killing his son was meaningless if he could just change the rules at any time, and creating laws that he, himself, doesn't follow. besides, in life there are no absolutes, no one has ever been or ever will be just a saint or sinner. these things are impossible because we set ourselves up for failure.
@octopuscollective your god would be more believable if he didn't seem to hate humanity in every few chapters, or even try to "test" our faith, he didn't make much sense in the first place, why does he have to fuck with us more?
that is the BEST argument you have had all year, because that is the ONLY argument you have had. ohhh shit I'm quaking in my boots, I'm going to have to face up no a nonexistent person (humoring the fact that god, if it exists, could be female) for not believing in them because they did all they could to make themself sound faker than a unicorn.
just as an explanation, that which is natural MUST occur in nature, anything that is not natural is UNnatural, a natural thing is a horse, an unnatural thing is a unicorn (albeit would be considered natural if a horse was Genetically altered to produce a horn) a tool of a natural being is considered natural, such as a bird's nest or a human's house.
@joshmonster94 Consciousness (self-awareness) is supernatural, because it does not occupy space. If you say it is in the brain, then where exactly is it? But it is real.
no, it isn't, it happened to humanity long ago, and that makes it a natural process to go through. The entire brain is what keeps your memories, feelings, actions, and ideas. ever heard of a lobotomy? many people deemed insane had chunks of their brain remove, they weren't the same person as before, why? that loss of memory and self identification. I like this chat, it's a very interesting topic, and nice to talk with a calm, intelligent person on youtube.
@joshmonster94 Self-awareness was always an attribute of being human. Severe brain damage does not kill self-awareness. Sometimes large parts of the brain are damaged with no effect, which cannot be explained solely by multiple pathways. Conscious entities have free-will, ethics, emotions, etc. too. Scientists do not have an answer to this question as they deal with entities that are measurable (mass, weight, position) and consciousness does not have any of these properties.
What do you mean by large parts of the brain? Size-wise what is large? because when I hear "large" I think 10% of it, and that does damage, unless it is 1% in random areas. If a bit of the brain is removed, there is always an effect, but how large of an effect depends on the person. By consciousness you mean sentience, right? because medically speaking, consciousness is feeling, smelling, tasting, hearing, seeing, and being able to process this information logically, the brain..
is what processes these things, in fact taking an mri can find what part of the brain processes which. if you mean sentience or sapience, those, by definition are very objective, but saying that It isn't a physical thing, is wrong, just like a program on my computer, in fact, our brains are prehistoric computers, with memories and ideas stored and processed, but the consciousness you speak of isn't the same definition as mine, so please define yours for me.
@joshmonster94 What I mean by consciousness is self-awareness. That is more than just the experience of the world, as it is the experience of yourself. This experience includes freedom of choice, emotions, and ethics (the ability to discern right and wrong). In near death experience people have reported seeing their own body or moving away from the body.
There are medical cases where more than 90% of the brain is damaged with no loss of function.
@georgeamarcelo Not to say that you are lying, but I'd like to see one of these cases, It sounds interesting.
Many people don't understand that the one thing making us differ from any other animal is that we can consider others' feelings as well as our own, so ethics just Boil down to thinking 'If this happened to me would I be unhappy, hurt, or dead?' and many humans don't even do that right, it is the reason murders, rapes, and thefts are despised over all. my one and only law is to...
@georgeamarcelo ... "Do to others as you would have them do to you, otherwise, treat others as they would have you treat them." It is kinda jumbled, but it just means to be as nice to others as you want them to be to you, but abide by their wishes if they don't wish for your kindness.
I can't explain NDE's, but hallucination on a massive scale can happen. I don't find it very likely, so you got me on one, but that is just one point. To beat me you would have to prove that was an Act of God.
@joshmonster94 You cannot know God through proof; only by revelation from God. The protocol to obtain revelation is to choose to obey the commandments of God (Ten Commandments in Exodus 20).
John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.
You have just ended the debate with that comment, saying that you don't care if I have proof against your belief deems this debate as a wast of time. you have just wasted my time and your own time by saying that. I am very dissapointed, I didn't think to deconvert you, but to, selfishly, try to answer questions burning in my heart. you just embodied the unreasonable part of religion that i disliked most. you disconnected with reality, saying that proof means nothing.
@georgeamarcelo it was fun while it lasted George. But, you have failed where all others did before you to convince me, I wasn't always atheist, I started out Jewish and then went to a be Christian (I don't remember what i was) for a few years. And lastly became a Mormon for three months, that was when I realized it sounded too fake, I tried to accept Muhammad... that failed miserably, it lasted 5 months. and here I am, six years latter, wishing for a god that never was, and chasing that dream.
@joshmonster94 It may be the reason that you failed in your search is that you depend too much on the human mind to discover truth. God needs to be approached on His own terms, not ours.
Our terms are the only ones that truly exists, this universe is all that exists, if there is a god, they (could be female, I'm not gonna even try to guess it) must exist in this universe, or they don't exist at all. reality encompasses all that existed and exists. I do not depend on the human mind at all, but the universe, the truth, truth is what governs everything, nothing is below it, truth is fact, facts require evidence, evidence is proof, so without proof it doesn't exist.
@georgeamarcelo you have defected from this all powerful force, and used the human brain to create a creature, just like you, but all knowing, where you are not; omnipotent, where you are powerless; omnipresent, where you can only be in one place at a time; and all loving where you aren't. you have a god created in your religion founders' ideals, and you can't comprehend it, you want meaning where there is none, and fear the cold embrace of death. for THAT is the true meaning of monotheism
you and I were once one in the same, I see my self now in you, and I am probably younger than you, and I feel a craving, an ugly urge to go back and wish all I know away... but what has been learned cannot be unlearned, so my religious dogmas and my atheism clash, but there can only be one winner. and it is always the same, using religious logic against itself. I wish you a wonderful life, but falling from reality is wrong, when finding answers about the it.
@georgeamarcelo you seem to look to a lady bug, when wanting answers about a shark, or to a flower in a neighboring yard to learn more about your house. looking outside of the universe to find more about it is the same thing.
@joshmonster94 A change of mind (repentance) will lead to revelation. Let go of your pride. The proof of the pudding is in the eating...
John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love Him, and will manifest myself to Him.
the proof of the pudding is in the way the a signal from the tongue's taste buds is sent to the brain to be processed? no the proof it that it is right there, you see it, feel it, taste it, smell it, well, you probably don't hear it. What pride is there to have? all my life I have had this spoon fed to me, and I got tired of it, I found something better, something right, something all of us need to see in our lives, the truth. tell me, what are you, and who taught you it first?
@joshmonster94 Oh well, anyway, I am sure you have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ many times, and all that can be done by me is state it clearly, which I did in the video, and God converts in His own way, if and when He chooses to. Evangelism is not about using arguments to convince people, only about communicating a simple message.
Of course you should not just inherit your beliefs, but make it your own. I blogged about my conversion and I will message you the link. I am an ex-atheist.
@georgeamarcelo well, I've loved almost every second of this conversation, and you are right, I've heard it too many times to care to hear it again, no offense. And as you say, don't inherit your beliefs, but would you be surprised that over half the christian populace does that, that if born of a different family of a different religion, they would certainly be of that religion? I feel that people should be given the ability to go out and experience different religions before committing.
@georgeamarcelo it is a wonderful experience, that leaves you with an Idea of what religion is right for you, or if none is right at all. and at the age of twenty being asked, after all the travels and toil,"what are you?" you can answer honestly, with true conviction.
@georgeamarcelo by that I mean religion, Most people say the name and that their parent, family or friend started them out at a young age. as a Mormon, I felt a warmth when praying, a genuine feeling of love, I felt that I was helping people around the world, as it was always my dream to help others, but that warmth became a cold emptiness after I watched the news, and saw people suffering in areas of intense heat and droughts, I saw devastation and pain, hunger, loss. I knew that prayer helped-
@georgeamarcelo no one but myself, It made me feel good that all I had to do to help was pray, pray hard. that warmth came back, but only when I started spreading the truth, there was no god, that feeling is in all of us, it is the feeling of upholding the truth, and spreading it. I feel this warmth now, and it is not your god.
that is the BEST argument you have had all year, because that is the ONLY argument you have had. ohhh shit I'm quaking in my boots, I'm going to have to face up to a nonexistent person (humoring the fact that god, if it exists, could be female) for not believing in them because they did all they could to make themself sound faker than a unicorn.
This was a horrible video. Boring, and not even slightly captivating me. I guess you need to fuck a few more church boys before you'll do it as well as your religious leaders.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
@georgeamarcelo Not only are you incapable of utilizing more than one line of Kindergarten-sized text on a screen, you're mentally unable to defend your arguments with anything of more substance than Bible passages.
@MaoiMeowi2 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
You must admit though that most people find it hard to spell a word correctly nowadays. Ask older people about their opinion of the level of intelligence of modern society. Their answer might surprise you.
1 Cor 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
You're evidence is still subjective, if you need a definition of objective empherical evidence you can look it up. Quoting the bible, or where you got that from, will never stand up as evidence as anyone could have written it, specificly mankind.
lol im sorry but i agree wholeheartedly with everything invalidtorture said. the only other thing is that.... well basically you're telling me to believe in god because god said so. if you brought up other stuff like i said the annoying text and music didnt let me get much farther than 1:05 so yeah.... good try here's a 1 star rating and i await His final draft
Well, i wanted to watch this video, to see the other opinion, But it was badly made. Why did you not use a mic? also the text was annoying to read, Oh and the terrible music. Iff you want atheist to watch your video, dont put that on because they are obviously not going to listen to it. The guy you did a responce to didnt put music on about atheism did he? would you have watched it iff he did?
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Everyone has to die once, then face the consequences. Christ's death was also a one-time event, but it was a sacrifice that took care of sins forever. And so, when he next appears, the outcome for those eager to greet him is, precisely, salvation. (Heb 9:27-28; The Message paraphrase).
@tehachapiusa people made religion! God loves you and thats it and when you go to hell for something soo simple it will be sad but ill try to talk to him when i get my time with him! stop makeing videos 2 atheists go do something with your lifes! Jesus loves you!
Col 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. "
it's "what is the true religion" and "QI - Christmas, Christianity and Mithras"
just to help you with a comment someone posted on here earlier saying something along the lines of "you're just as atheist as me in regards to most religions", like the commenter back then, i simply go one god further...
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Religion, regardless of it's correctness or lack thereof, isn't science. God and the Bible cannot be used to justify God and the Bible. This is circular logic and has no logical merit.
Religion is faith. Do you really believe in God for no reason? If you have some reason, even feeling, then that is empirical and can be categorized by science. Why do you take religion on faith and not mysticism or my word?
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
It is not necessary to justify God and the Bible.
"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
The Bible isn't empirical evidence so it cannot be used to justify any claim. God and the Bible cannot be used to justify anything. That is analogous to asking somebody's opinion. It doesn't change the truth.
I find it hard to believe in a god who would punish those who use their rational minds which god supposedly gave to them.
Col 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. "
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
The almighty God has made me, with a divine plan. I cannot have free choice, so God, after giving me intellect and reason (wish he'd give it to his followers) has also made himself invisible and asked me to worship him. Sounds like he should have kept some intellect for himself.
Oh, and I suggest reading 1 Corinthians 1:19 before 1:20
Prove your god exists, then you might warrant some attention.
Until then, you are just a delusional little kid who doesn't like it when others dont share your delusion, so you make threats and cry about it rather than trying to validate your blind faith in your religion.
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
I'm looking forward to eternal happiness with Petey, Wendy and all the gang while you, George, will burn in hell with Captain Hook for believing the wrong fairy tale.
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
We all die and remain dead. Atheists have no problem with this biological fact. Those desperately wishing and hoping for more, more, ever more, will be disappointed.
Be a good neighbor, treat everyone with respect and dignity, be kind, loving and generous. This will assure you happiness throughout your life, and you can die with no regrets.
Those who can't accept that will spend their life worrying, fearing, and being angry. Sorry, but the religious route leads to misery. I like happiness.
is sad. just think about this, your bible teaches about killing an entire community in the name of god, woman stoning, animal sacrifices, a god even SEND HIS SON TO GET KILL !! wow.. and if that was not enough, he will be back to wipe out almost all humans... a totally repugnant book. ..this kind of believes can make you crazy... very sad!
the bible has separated all you into different pieces, and you are just one part of the whole mess. very sad
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
Here is an easier translation (The Message paraphrase):
"So where can you find someone truly wise, truly educated, truly intelligent in this day and age? Hasn't God exposed it all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb—preaching, of all things!—to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation."
Quoting the bible does nothin to prove your point in the eyes of those who think for themselves. Besides who are you to pressume that you can speak for God?
1Cor 1:19-21 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
We are commanded by God to share the Gospel. No presumption here.
Mat 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. "
Heb 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Consider that you cannot expect to prove the existence of color to a person blind from birth. Likewise, you cannot give a person understanding of spiritual things if the person is not spiritually regenerated by God (born again). It is written:
1 Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Oh quoting the Bible to an Atheist, awesome idea, only problem is we don't believe in the Bible ;). Want to convince me? Give me real evidence, got it? I'd love to hear if you have it :). I'm serious I would like to believe in God, but it's difficult for me with no facts. Please don't tell me that you feel God in your heart or anything like that, I want a CONSISTENT proof.
PS: Bible quoting doesn't count as consistent proofs :(.
I am not trying to prove anything to you. Only God can make you believe. He drives the process, not you. It is written:
1 Cor 2:13-14 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Hey, I'm Christian, but I'm glad that you refuse to blindly accept Christianity. It's cool that you want to believe in God, but unfortunately I can't offer hard evidence. If it existed, the whole world would be Christian eh?
My question is: Do you, or does anyone, have hard evidence that there is no God?
Atheist might denounce faith without hard facts, but I think it actually takes faith to believe that there is no God. The faith is just placed somewhere else: in oneself.
The faith is placed in one's own ability to reason. And it's not that I'm putting down rationality, in fact, I wholly endorse it. But I believe there are things outside the reach of reason. There are things outside the reach of science.
If the intangible exists, science or reason would never be able to touch it. Can we then say that because science or reason does not prove something, it does not exist?
Anyone who bases what they believe in on "proof" and "statistical evidence" is frankly blind. I base my faith on my personal experiences, for instance I have seen people healed, and massive "coincidences" and people I know have seen angels etc. I challenge any atheist to got to Soul Survivor or Newday, in the UK, or similar things in the rest of the world, and still not believe in God.
So why should I believe in the Bible over the Qu'ran or the vedas? Or perhaps the ancient Egyptians had it right all along?
And as a skeptic, I won't accept the Bible as proof that the Bible is right. The vedas and the Qu'ran and the ancient Egyptians are/were equally self-sure.
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
2Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Again, you're using the text to prove itself. This is invalid to anyone who is not already convinced of its inherent validity. Similarly, no matter how many times one re-reads A Clockwork Orange, it will still remain fiction.
I am not trying to prove anything to you. Only God can make you believe. It is written:
1 Cor 2:13-14 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Mat 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
If you believe that then you are really gullible, unless you mean that he was a copyist or translator. I think you should check out the authorship of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of the Bible. There are many YouTube videos on this topic. The King James translation uses the best manuscripts.
The best place to start to understand God is in understanding the reason we exist: Rev 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God can do what He wants, as He owns the universe. He is the Judge, not you. Find out what pleases God, by reading your Bible, and choose to obey his commandments. Accepting Jesus Christ's payment for your sin is also highly recommended.
No matter who created it, the creator of the law is not above it. The clear laws he put in place state that to kill an innocent child is evil. They state that bearing false witness is evil.
How can it be considered good to murder the innocent? How can it be that circumcision is first commanded, then damned?
Read the first two chapters of genesis carefully. They contradict each other.
God CAN NOT be perfect if he changes. He is either improving, or going sour. Perfection is consistent.
There is no one innocent under His Law. The punishment for sin of a person is also passed on up to the 4th generation. Read Exodus 20 carefully. The only solution is to accept the free payment for the your sins given by God. There are no contradictions. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance before you study.
Rom 3:23-34 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
After reading Exocus 20, I don't see where it says that we are not born innocent. Small children, newborns, infants, toddlers, they haven't sinned. How can a god call himself Just or Merciful if he punishes a newborn child for that which his father did wrong?
In that case, a baby born due to rape would be, in god's eyes, a rapist. A newborn who's father had killed a man would be a murderer.
There is a greater power out there, we'd be foolish to think otherwise, but the Christian God is not it.
Sooooooooooooooo....God loves us so much why did he put us right next to the evil touch anything and it corrodes devil?Then condemn us for a decision someone else made?Why give us sinful bodies and free will if that will send us to eternal punishment pagan inserted ideal hell?Why do I have to be ashamed of my body and thoughts?Why am I taught I'm worthless without God?Why do I want to become something if God points me somewhere else or has a "plan"?What's the point of life with that in mind?
PwnerGeist 9 months ago
I didn't receive a letter, what the fuck, god? Oh yeah, you don't exist, silly me!
TheHasselBoff 1 year ago
With appeals from Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, etc, etc, etc, how is an Atheist to decide who he should blindly believe in.
estragon9 1 year ago
Next time, could you make a video that YOU CAN FUCKING READ? Jeez! Even if I cared about what your "letter" said, I couldn't understand it.
mysterioso2006 1 year ago
so god condemned the world for two people eating from a tree that he needn't created, but did, and sent his son to be sacrificed to alleviate the condemning... even though he could have just forgiven humanity, because humanity didn't do it the two people did, and on top of all that, it was all according to plan? now, i understand how stupid all Christians are for believing this BS
joshmonster94 1 year ago 2
@joshmonster94 So create your own universe and move...
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
i guess if your incompetent "god" was able to do it so could i, i guess
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 Let me know how it goes...
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
will do =D
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 god was once like you.. he faced doubts and encountered sin.. where you, i, and all of humanity differ from him is that he lived a life without sin to prove it could be done. and then he sacrificed himself because it needed to be done. you attempt to trivialize it by clouding your judgement and rationalizing sin of eating fruit as "small sin" but how desensitized must you be to not see how small sin grows until there are no absolutes, only a sad wash of grey, mediocre at best.
octopuscollective 1 year ago
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uhhm, yeah. i do trivialize it, like when watching or reading badly written stories you can point out the mistakes, the tree was pointless, killing his son was meaningless if he could just change the rules at any time, and creating laws that he, himself, doesn't follow. besides, in life there are no absolutes, no one has ever been or ever will be just a saint or sinner. these things are impossible because we set ourselves up for failure.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@octopuscollective your god would be more believable if he didn't seem to hate humanity in every few chapters, or even try to "test" our faith, he didn't make much sense in the first place, why does he have to fuck with us more?
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 After you die you can find out how that question will go down. But best to repent before then, if you can.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
that is the BEST argument you have had all year, because that is the ONLY argument you have had. ohhh shit I'm quaking in my boots, I'm going to have to face up no a nonexistent person (humoring the fact that god, if it exists, could be female) for not believing in them because they did all they could to make themself sound faker than a unicorn.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 I am not really arguing. Best of luck.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo that is my whole point. you can't expect people to believe your claim without defending yourself in an argument.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 Conversion is a supernatural process, not a natural one.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
Supernatural = goes against nature = unnatural
so supernatural = unatural
now can we have a decent argument? "one who closes his mind to knowledge, has already died."
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
just as an explanation, that which is natural MUST occur in nature, anything that is not natural is UNnatural, a natural thing is a horse, an unnatural thing is a unicorn (albeit would be considered natural if a horse was Genetically altered to produce a horn) a tool of a natural being is considered natural, such as a bird's nest or a human's house.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 Consciousness (self-awareness) is supernatural, because it does not occupy space. If you say it is in the brain, then where exactly is it? But it is real.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
no, it isn't, it happened to humanity long ago, and that makes it a natural process to go through. The entire brain is what keeps your memories, feelings, actions, and ideas. ever heard of a lobotomy? many people deemed insane had chunks of their brain remove, they weren't the same person as before, why? that loss of memory and self identification. I like this chat, it's a very interesting topic, and nice to talk with a calm, intelligent person on youtube.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 Self-awareness was always an attribute of being human. Severe brain damage does not kill self-awareness. Sometimes large parts of the brain are damaged with no effect, which cannot be explained solely by multiple pathways. Conscious entities have free-will, ethics, emotions, etc. too. Scientists do not have an answer to this question as they deal with entities that are measurable (mass, weight, position) and consciousness does not have any of these properties.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
What do you mean by large parts of the brain? Size-wise what is large? because when I hear "large" I think 10% of it, and that does damage, unless it is 1% in random areas. If a bit of the brain is removed, there is always an effect, but how large of an effect depends on the person. By consciousness you mean sentience, right? because medically speaking, consciousness is feeling, smelling, tasting, hearing, seeing, and being able to process this information logically, the brain..
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
is what processes these things, in fact taking an mri can find what part of the brain processes which. if you mean sentience or sapience, those, by definition are very objective, but saying that It isn't a physical thing, is wrong, just like a program on my computer, in fact, our brains are prehistoric computers, with memories and ideas stored and processed, but the consciousness you speak of isn't the same definition as mine, so please define yours for me.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 What I mean by consciousness is self-awareness. That is more than just the experience of the world, as it is the experience of yourself. This experience includes freedom of choice, emotions, and ethics (the ability to discern right and wrong). In near death experience people have reported seeing their own body or moving away from the body.
There are medical cases where more than 90% of the brain is damaged with no loss of function.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo Not to say that you are lying, but I'd like to see one of these cases, It sounds interesting.
Many people don't understand that the one thing making us differ from any other animal is that we can consider others' feelings as well as our own, so ethics just Boil down to thinking 'If this happened to me would I be unhappy, hurt, or dead?' and many humans don't even do that right, it is the reason murders, rapes, and thefts are despised over all. my one and only law is to...
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo ... "Do to others as you would have them do to you, otherwise, treat others as they would have you treat them." It is kinda jumbled, but it just means to be as nice to others as you want them to be to you, but abide by their wishes if they don't wish for your kindness.
I can't explain NDE's, but hallucination on a massive scale can happen. I don't find it very likely, so you got me on one, but that is just one point. To beat me you would have to prove that was an Act of God.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 You cannot know God through proof; only by revelation from God. The protocol to obtain revelation is to choose to obey the commandments of God (Ten Commandments in Exodus 20).
John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
You have just ended the debate with that comment, saying that you don't care if I have proof against your belief deems this debate as a wast of time. you have just wasted my time and your own time by saying that. I am very dissapointed, I didn't think to deconvert you, but to, selfishly, try to answer questions burning in my heart. you just embodied the unreasonable part of religion that i disliked most. you disconnected with reality, saying that proof means nothing.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo it was fun while it lasted George. But, you have failed where all others did before you to convince me, I wasn't always atheist, I started out Jewish and then went to a be Christian (I don't remember what i was) for a few years. And lastly became a Mormon for three months, that was when I realized it sounded too fake, I tried to accept Muhammad... that failed miserably, it lasted 5 months. and here I am, six years latter, wishing for a god that never was, and chasing that dream.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 It may be the reason that you failed in your search is that you depend too much on the human mind to discover truth. God needs to be approached on His own terms, not ours.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
Our terms are the only ones that truly exists, this universe is all that exists, if there is a god, they (could be female, I'm not gonna even try to guess it) must exist in this universe, or they don't exist at all. reality encompasses all that existed and exists. I do not depend on the human mind at all, but the universe, the truth, truth is what governs everything, nothing is below it, truth is fact, facts require evidence, evidence is proof, so without proof it doesn't exist.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo you have defected from this all powerful force, and used the human brain to create a creature, just like you, but all knowing, where you are not; omnipotent, where you are powerless; omnipresent, where you can only be in one place at a time; and all loving where you aren't. you have a god created in your religion founders' ideals, and you can't comprehend it, you want meaning where there is none, and fear the cold embrace of death. for THAT is the true meaning of monotheism
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
you and I were once one in the same, I see my self now in you, and I am probably younger than you, and I feel a craving, an ugly urge to go back and wish all I know away... but what has been learned cannot be unlearned, so my religious dogmas and my atheism clash, but there can only be one winner. and it is always the same, using religious logic against itself. I wish you a wonderful life, but falling from reality is wrong, when finding answers about the it.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo you seem to look to a lady bug, when wanting answers about a shark, or to a flower in a neighboring yard to learn more about your house. looking outside of the universe to find more about it is the same thing.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 A change of mind (repentance) will lead to revelation. Let go of your pride. The proof of the pudding is in the eating...
John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love Him, and will manifest myself to Him.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo
the proof of the pudding is in the way the a signal from the tongue's taste buds is sent to the brain to be processed? no the proof it that it is right there, you see it, feel it, taste it, smell it, well, you probably don't hear it. What pride is there to have? all my life I have had this spoon fed to me, and I got tired of it, I found something better, something right, something all of us need to see in our lives, the truth. tell me, what are you, and who taught you it first?
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@joshmonster94 Oh well, anyway, I am sure you have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ many times, and all that can be done by me is state it clearly, which I did in the video, and God converts in His own way, if and when He chooses to. Evangelism is not about using arguments to convince people, only about communicating a simple message.
Of course you should not just inherit your beliefs, but make it your own. I blogged about my conversion and I will message you the link. I am an ex-atheist.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo well, I've loved almost every second of this conversation, and you are right, I've heard it too many times to care to hear it again, no offense. And as you say, don't inherit your beliefs, but would you be surprised that over half the christian populace does that, that if born of a different family of a different religion, they would certainly be of that religion? I feel that people should be given the ability to go out and experience different religions before committing.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo it is a wonderful experience, that leaves you with an Idea of what religion is right for you, or if none is right at all. and at the age of twenty being asked, after all the travels and toil,"what are you?" you can answer honestly, with true conviction.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo by that I mean religion, Most people say the name and that their parent, family or friend started them out at a young age. as a Mormon, I felt a warmth when praying, a genuine feeling of love, I felt that I was helping people around the world, as it was always my dream to help others, but that warmth became a cold emptiness after I watched the news, and saw people suffering in areas of intense heat and droughts, I saw devastation and pain, hunger, loss. I knew that prayer helped-
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo no one but myself, It made me feel good that all I had to do to help was pray, pray hard. that warmth came back, but only when I started spreading the truth, there was no god, that feeling is in all of us, it is the feeling of upholding the truth, and spreading it. I feel this warmth now, and it is not your god.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
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@georgeamarcelo
that is the BEST argument you have had all year, because that is the ONLY argument you have had. ohhh shit I'm quaking in my boots, I'm going to have to face up to a nonexistent person (humoring the fact that god, if it exists, could be female) for not believing in them because they did all they could to make themself sound faker than a unicorn.
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@jeffrey42088 Your interpretation is somewhat wobbly. LOL.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
bible thumpers love jesus so much they would eat the corn out of his shit.
moonshineinsummer1 1 year ago
This was a horrible video. Boring, and not even slightly captivating me. I guess you need to fuck a few more church boys before you'll do it as well as your religious leaders.
LivingLucid 1 year ago
Fuck YOU and you can take that bible quote your about to give me and shove that up your ass.
DjetGlea 1 year ago
"If you don't know the history of the author you don't know what you're reading.
If you don't know the history of the author you don't know what you've read."
- KRS ONE
woodsy0003 1 year ago
Fail
420dudemeister 1 year ago
Threat isn't a proof of any god existance...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
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FairCogent 1 year ago
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
As a response,this is as pitifully sad as a child waving wrapping paper as proof of santa.
zobbukit 2 years ago 14
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
@georgeamarcelo fuck you and ur god
mx740 1 year ago
@mx740 Pro 10:8 Sensible people accept good advice. People who talk foolishly will come to ruin.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
@georgeamarcelo Not only are you incapable of utilizing more than one line of Kindergarten-sized text on a screen, you're mentally unable to defend your arguments with anything of more substance than Bible passages.
You, sir, are an idiot.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago 2
@MaoiMeowi2 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
georgeamarcelo 1 year ago
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@georgeamarcelo Thanks for proving my point.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
fuck atheists!
bigdud12345 2 years ago
We are to pray for them.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
oh man..... =DD I lol'd
MacSick 2 years ago
i have questions to ask you man hit me up on a message
fasgasdg654as654dsag 2 years ago
I am surprised that there are more than one! After all, this is a video about a message from God to atheists. LOL.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
Maybe the half star were the converted ones?
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
yea im almost pretty sure that god dousnt have a youtube account. and pretty sure that he dint write this letter. kida looks like you did.
jzoey 2 years ago
God does not have a YouTube account, but He owns the universe. Also, the Bible is the Word of God.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
well now dayes the word of god dousnt hold as much water. probly caus people are getting smarter and more free minded. well most people
jzoey 2 years ago
You must admit though that most people find it hard to spell a word correctly nowadays. Ask older people about their opinion of the level of intelligence of modern society. Their answer might surprise you.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
Now the hard part comes from your subjective video made of senseless ignorant opinions.
Prove that a god exists and that he really states this. The proof need to be objective and flawless.
If you can do it, I will certainly believe god wrote this junk, but I won't follow such a irrational being.
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
1 Cor 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I believe man wrote that, not god.
You're evidence is still subjective, if you need a definition of objective empherical evidence you can look it up. Quoting the bible, or where you got that from, will never stand up as evidence as anyone could have written it, specificly mankind.
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
That is quite a good, if oblique, explanation of the verse.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
It's important to ask questions.
If we believe an omniscient and omnipotent god made faulty men and later blame them for being faulty, that's something we have to question.
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
lol im sorry but i agree wholeheartedly with everything invalidtorture said. the only other thing is that.... well basically you're telling me to believe in god because god said so. if you brought up other stuff like i said the annoying text and music didnt let me get much farther than 1:05 so yeah.... good try here's a 1 star rating and i await His final draft
a7xbeacon 2 years ago
Yes, that is quite accurate. Although I have not asked you to do anything, as none of my words are on the video. Just passing the message along.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
Useless
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
cudn't hav sed it better myself
atreding 2 years ago
Well, i wanted to watch this video, to see the other opinion, But it was badly made. Why did you not use a mic? also the text was annoying to read, Oh and the terrible music. Iff you want atheist to watch your video, dont put that on because they are obviously not going to listen to it. The guy you did a responce to didnt put music on about atheism did he? would you have watched it iff he did?
invalidtorture 2 years ago 2
you are one delusional sheep???get a live .
tehachapiusa 2 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
keep believing in A MAN MADE GODS.
VERY SMART ,YOU ARE A GOOD DELUSIONAL SHEEP.HAVE A NICE HAVEN.
tehachapiusa 2 years ago 11
2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
once again keep it up ,when you die,will go to the man made haven good for you,so much for your delusional brain???????????????????
tehachapiusa 2 years ago
Everyone has to die once, then face the consequences. Christ's death was also a one-time event, but it was a sacrifice that took care of sins forever. And so, when he next appears, the outcome for those eager to greet him is, precisely, salvation. (Heb 9:27-28; The Message paraphrase).
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
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tehachapiusa 2 years ago
Of course. Thanks. By the way, it is spelled "heaven".
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
@tehachapiusa people made religion! God loves you and thats it and when you go to hell for something soo simple it will be sad but ill try to talk to him when i get my time with him! stop makeing videos 2 atheists go do something with your lifes! Jesus loves you!
kingkersis1 11 months ago
@kingkersis1 HOW COULD YOU TALK WHEN YOU DIE ??????
YOUR JESUS IS SO DEAD AS DEAD CAN BE....
tehachapiusa 11 months ago
this is so sad it hurts a little...
and i used to be a christian...even then i would have found your "logic" rather painful...
hhaugan 2 years ago
Col 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. "
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
i suggest you watch:
pZrArWuzauk
and MSm7YPMQOSo
it's "what is the true religion" and "QI - Christmas, Christianity and Mithras"
just to help you with a comment someone posted on here earlier saying something along the lines of "you're just as atheist as me in regards to most religions", like the commenter back then, i simply go one god further...
yours.
hhaugan 2 years ago
Biblical Christianity is not a religion.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
i'm sorry, but that is the most *ignorant* bit of information you have spouted thus far, and you've said some pretty ignorant things already...
grow up.
hhaugan 2 years ago
That's a letter from god? What the fuck is he trying to say? He sounds like an idiot.
spighk 2 years ago 2
If you are an atheist I think He started off my calling you a fool... Repent of your sins today!
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
the poster of this video stop responding to everyones posts with bible verses that make no sense.
or ill bring up the one about. take your son to the gates of the city and stone him to death with stones
wugglestehgnome 2 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
or of course its another lame excuse given by religions dogmatic peoples.
what makes you different from any other nut job in the insane asylum
wugglestehgnome 2 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
1 Cor 1:19 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. "
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
Religion, regardless of it's correctness or lack thereof, isn't science. God and the Bible cannot be used to justify God and the Bible. This is circular logic and has no logical merit.
Religion is faith. Do you really believe in God for no reason? If you have some reason, even feeling, then that is empirical and can be categorized by science. Why do you take religion on faith and not mysticism or my word?
davidus3 3 years ago
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
u didnt get the message, idiot...
''God and the Bible cannot be used to justify God and the Bible.''
mondragonplus 3 years ago
It is not necessary to justify God and the Bible.
"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
The Bible isn't empirical evidence so it cannot be used to justify any claim. God and the Bible cannot be used to justify anything. That is analogous to asking somebody's opinion. It doesn't change the truth.
I find it hard to believe in a god who would punish those who use their rational minds which god supposedly gave to them.
davidus3 2 years ago
Col 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. "
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
I'm going to write my own book to quote so I can back up my evidence.
Again, I do not believe in the bible so using it as evidence to prove it is a logical fallacy.
Do you have faith in anything other than religion? If so, what? And if not, why not?
davidus3 2 years ago
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
The almighty God has made me, with a divine plan. I cannot have free choice, so God, after giving me intellect and reason (wish he'd give it to his followers) has also made himself invisible and asked me to worship him. Sounds like he should have kept some intellect for himself.
Oh, and I suggest reading 1 Corinthians 1:19 before 1:20
davidus3 2 years ago
Prove your god exists, then you might warrant some attention.
Until then, you are just a delusional little kid who doesn't like it when others dont share your delusion, so you make threats and cry about it rather than trying to validate your blind faith in your religion.
Pathetic.
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
"1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man..."
You really are a fool, arn't you?
ThatOneQuestion 3 years ago
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Atheists don't believe in bronze age fairy tales, so what exactly is the point of this video?
dave28lax 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
May I refer you to my previous comment "Atheists don't believe in bronze age fairy tales", so why quote the bible at me?
dave28lax 3 years ago 2
Pathetic Christians...
QuixoticTendencies 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
'Anything is possible, if you believe'
Peter (pan): 9:12-13
I'm looking forward to eternal happiness with Petey, Wendy and all the gang while you, George, will burn in hell with Captain Hook for believing the wrong fairy tale.
buckfasthero 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
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We all die and remain dead. Atheists have no problem with this biological fact. Those desperately wishing and hoping for more, more, ever more, will be disappointed.
Be a good neighbor, treat everyone with respect and dignity, be kind, loving and generous. This will assure you happiness throughout your life, and you can die with no regrets.
Those who can't accept that will spend their life worrying, fearing, and being angry. Sorry, but the religious route leads to misery. I like happiness.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
is sad. just think about this, your bible teaches about killing an entire community in the name of god, woman stoning, animal sacrifices, a god even SEND HIS SON TO GET KILL !! wow.. and if that was not enough, he will be back to wipe out almost all humans... a totally repugnant book. ..this kind of believes can make you crazy... very sad!
the bible has separated all you into different pieces, and you are just one part of the whole mess. very sad
soyclary 3 years ago
I think you should read the Bible again. Pay attention this time. :-)
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
I think you should read the bible, and don't pick and choose what is literal and what is not to make the bible fit to what you beleive.
tsferg 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
tsferg 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
tsferg 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
George, its too bad you cannot speak for yourself, instead you quote a 2000 year old book that was written by man years after the fact, edited by man, translated by man, misunderstood by man. That book just keeps contradicting itself anyways, it has no use.
tsferg 3 years ago
1Cor 1:20-21 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
What does this mean? Can you break it down for me?
tsferg 3 years ago
Here is an easier translation (The Message paraphrase):
"So where can you find someone truly wise, truly educated, truly intelligent in this day and age? Hasn't God exposed it all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb—preaching, of all things!—to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation."
Hope this helps.
God bless,
George
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not Horus. Check out "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop for more information. Hope you find it interesting!
Rev 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
God bless,
George
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Quoting the bible does nothin to prove your point in the eyes of those who think for themselves. Besides who are you to pressume that you can speak for God?
JamesThWilliams 3 years ago 8
1Cor 1:19-21 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
We are commanded by God to share the Gospel. No presumption here.
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
It is written:
Mat 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. "
God bless,
George
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
You are an speaking book man, bible is simbolic literature from the 1st century, quoting doesn't prove anything.
bobpe 3 years ago
Heb 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Ok, I would like to a person... but... i won't waste my time with a speking book.
bobpe 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Abu Ala Al Ma'arri: "There are two classes of men: intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence"
bobpe 3 years ago
Amen!
cj081108 3 years ago
1Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Consider that you cannot expect to prove the existence of color to a person blind from birth. Likewise, you cannot give a person understanding of spiritual things if the person is not spiritually regenerated by God (born again). It is written:
1 Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
God bless,
George
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Oh quoting the Bible to an Atheist, awesome idea, only problem is we don't believe in the Bible ;). Want to convince me? Give me real evidence, got it? I'd love to hear if you have it :). I'm serious I would like to believe in God, but it's difficult for me with no facts. Please don't tell me that you feel God in your heart or anything like that, I want a CONSISTENT proof.
PS: Bible quoting doesn't count as consistent proofs :(.
rasaerul0l 3 years ago
I am not trying to prove anything to you. Only God can make you believe. He drives the process, not you. It is written:
1 Cor 2:13-14 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 3 years ago
Hey, I'm Christian, but I'm glad that you refuse to blindly accept Christianity. It's cool that you want to believe in God, but unfortunately I can't offer hard evidence. If it existed, the whole world would be Christian eh?
My question is: Do you, or does anyone, have hard evidence that there is no God?
Atheist might denounce faith without hard facts, but I think it actually takes faith to believe that there is no God. The faith is just placed somewhere else: in oneself.
pixietuesday 3 years ago 2
The faith is placed in one's own ability to reason. And it's not that I'm putting down rationality, in fact, I wholly endorse it. But I believe there are things outside the reach of reason. There are things outside the reach of science.
If the intangible exists, science or reason would never be able to touch it. Can we then say that because science or reason does not prove something, it does not exist?
pixietuesday 3 years ago
Anyone who bases what they believe in on "proof" and "statistical evidence" is frankly blind. I base my faith on my personal experiences, for instance I have seen people healed, and massive "coincidences" and people I know have seen angels etc. I challenge any atheist to got to Soul Survivor or Newday, in the UK, or similar things in the rest of the world, and still not believe in God.
Tispower 3 years ago
So why should I believe in the Bible over the Qu'ran or the vedas? Or perhaps the ancient Egyptians had it right all along?
And as a skeptic, I won't accept the Bible as proof that the Bible is right. The vedas and the Qu'ran and the ancient Egyptians are/were equally self-sure.
glorpy2 4 years ago
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
2Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
Again, you're using the text to prove itself. This is invalid to anyone who is not already convinced of its inherent validity. Similarly, no matter how many times one re-reads A Clockwork Orange, it will still remain fiction.
glorpy2 4 years ago
I am not trying to prove anything to you. Only God can make you believe. It is written:
1 Cor 2:13-14 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
Oooooo......... I'm soooooooo scared.........
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georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
I will. Is it more hell fire terrorism?
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago
Mat 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
georgeamarcelo
There you go. It`s that "fear of hell thing"
that keep you going to your church/religion.
Did you know that shakespeare had a hand in writing the bible during his time? Check it out.
maurieer 4 years ago
If you believe that then you are really gullible, unless you mean that he was a copyist or translator. I think you should check out the authorship of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of the Bible. There are many YouTube videos on this topic. The King James translation uses the best manuscripts.
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
The best place to start to understand God is in understanding the reason we exist: Rev 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God can do what He wants, as He owns the universe. He is the Judge, not you. Find out what pleases God, by reading your Bible, and choose to obey his commandments. Accepting Jesus Christ's payment for your sin is also highly recommended.
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
No matter who created it, the creator of the law is not above it. The clear laws he put in place state that to kill an innocent child is evil. They state that bearing false witness is evil.
How can it be considered good to murder the innocent? How can it be that circumcision is first commanded, then damned?
Read the first two chapters of genesis carefully. They contradict each other.
God CAN NOT be perfect if he changes. He is either improving, or going sour. Perfection is consistent.
Tonaho 4 years ago
There is no one innocent under His Law. The punishment for sin of a person is also passed on up to the 4th generation. Read Exodus 20 carefully. The only solution is to accept the free payment for the your sins given by God. There are no contradictions. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance before you study.
Rom 3:23-34 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
georgeamarcelo 4 years ago
After reading Exocus 20, I don't see where it says that we are not born innocent. Small children, newborns, infants, toddlers, they haven't sinned. How can a god call himself Just or Merciful if he punishes a newborn child for that which his father did wrong?
In that case, a baby born due to rape would be, in god's eyes, a rapist. A newborn who's father had killed a man would be a murderer.
There is a greater power out there, we'd be foolish to think otherwise, but the Christian God is not it.
Tonaho 4 years ago