Snell test requires a helmet to not exceed 300G's on impact, I would much rather have a Snell approved helmet knowing that my brain won't be as badly knocked as with a cheaper helmet from this video resulting in 600G's on impact.
The problem is that some of these tests that are harder to pass won't necessarily filter the helmets that will better protect your head from the impact, albeit the helmet will. Read "Motorcycle Helmet Performance: Blowing the Lid Off", available online from several sources for a throughoutly exam many types of tests and the problems with some of them.
People always trot out the old "what price do you put on your life" line, but I think the chances of being in an accident where a £400 helmet will save you but a £100 one wouldn't must be pretty remote, otherwise I wouldn't ride a bike. Plus a helmet isn't going to stop you breaking your neck, or back.
@Krashusmc Look up the facts and you will find that this is true. Head injuries are the major causes of death when individuals are involved in a motorcycle crash.
@Krashusmc You are an idiot. You can be the best rider in the world and do everything right and still be taken out by another person's inability to pay attention. You should always wear your helmet when you ride.
@motormanish if you are doing everything right you would see that driver not paying attention and didn't see you. Defensive riding that call that. Just like the idiots that think "Well, I can just walk out in the crosswalk because that is my right and it's the law cars have to stop." I wish you well and safe travels.
@Krashusmc You don't get it. The point is that no one can do everything right all of the time. Eventualy, all of us will have a moment of inattention when we will get caught with our guard down....its called being human.
@Krashusmc False hope? I was hit head on by a teen aged driver drag racing another car. I was thrown 38 feet into the air and landed on the back of my head. The helmet was cracked and I received no major head injury. Do you think I would have been in the same condition without a helmet on?
@motormanish oh I do get it. I live and work it. It's all a game of chance. You crashed your bike with a helmet and got lucky. I gave you 3 motorcycle crashes where helmets weren't a factor. I proved my case. It's all about luck.
@Krashusmc Prove to me that more people die from neck and back injuries in motorcycle accidents than head injuries. Where did you obtain that information..........Joe, your partner in the meat wagon?
Actually U. S. helmets do not have to be tested by Snell foundation. This is strictly a voluntary test on their (manufacturers) part. They do , however have to be DOT approved. They can be Snell apprroved, but if not DOT they cannot be sold here.
So if its important to have a good quality helmet, why the fuck do they charge over £300 for a helmet which costs proberly £5 to make/distribute, If they want us to be safe, charge us less then more people will buy the better quality helmet. Dont get me wrong I buy good exspensive helmets but it is anoying forking that much on a helmet.
Bit of a late reply but easy really. Find the helmet you want at your local over-priced bike store, size it right then buy from overseas. A bit difficult with brands not available in Oz (and there are plenty) but a huge money saver with major brands by avoiding the thieves. Interestingly, during APEC we had 12 NSWPOL bikes based outside our work and 4 of those guys had DOT approved hats, not AS stickers. My Shoei is DOT approved, works for me!
@sierraonezero Yes but unfortunately only the NSW police can ignore the law. The fine for riding with a helmet without a 1698 sticker is the same as the fine for riding without a helmet, more than $300 and I think 4 points. They also make you walk away from the bike - if they see you riding off, another 4 points, another $300.
The problem is this - if you designa helmet for high speed (say 100-250kph) crashes, you need high impact resistance, so you make it more rigid. Which means it transmits more impact to your head at low speeds than helmets designed for lower speed impact energy absorbtion.
But if you design it for lower speed crashes, you design it to destruct to absorb forces quickly at expected road speeds. These helmets will be better at lower speeds (say 50-140km/h) . But if they are in a high speed crash, they will destruct and absorb energy until there is no more protection left, and then your brain gets hurt.
well now a days ECE reg is only applicable in past in UK your helmet had to have Kitemark as written in Road Traffic act. Now even arai got to Beliguim i believe tp get helmets tested to minimum ECE regs
I crash tested my HJC CL-15 SNELL APPROVED HELMET in 60 km/h and i got up and walked away with no headache or anything. My pillion didn't have the Snell approved helmet and she can't remember the crash. I WILL NEVER BUY A HELMET WHICH ISN'T SNELL APPROVED
in the absolute worst case nothing will help you.
helmets aren't garranteed over 15mph anyway
plus this video proves nothing, a helmet isn't designed to take multiple hits, if you notice, they didn't test any expensive ones nor did they tell us the make of the ones they tested.
yes but this is a you tube video..... "for full results and reportings read MCN magazine" if they did a full job on here for free they wouldnt make any money
@darkmetallica I hit a deer doing 70MPH and was high sided off of the motorcycle. My head was slammed on the road. That was more than 15MPH and I received no head injury.
If nothing will save you in the worst case, then ride naked and save your money by not getting protective gear.
i don't doubt that :) however what i was saying they aren't guarantee'd over 15mph, that doesn't mean to say it's not going to work and not worth wearing one :)
Everyone knows that you drop a helmet even once, and its trash and can be thrown away. Here we have two hard impacts on the same spot. Let me see an "expensive" helmet fair better for an actual comparison. And the other reality is that many of these impacts seem so hard, that good or expensive helmet, its likely the person would have died regardless as the brain still has to decelerate and will bounce really hard up against the skull and a harder shell does even worse in this respect.
Why would you think you could insult someone by using a self-chosen name against them? Are you sure you even need a helmet to protect that noodle of yours? ;) Look, point is that most helmets are SNELL rated, and its well known now that these are made too hard compared to the "cheap" DOT only helmets. The point is for the helmet to self-destruct, and the hard ones are imparting far too many G-forces in survivable head injuries, and even SNELL is going to revize this for the 2010 standard.
I believe you're spot on chief. The fiberglass ones delaminate on impact, hence the one term use, but the polycarbonates just flex. We'll have to see what the new SNELL standard brings to the table on g-loading, otherwise I'm going w/ an ECE import. These weird anvil drops are unrealistic anyway, as stats I read showed nearly all impacts were against the flat surface of the road, so what are the chances of hitting something akin to a round steel ball 2-3 times in the same spot... pshh.
well in my opinion at low speed impact there is little difference between a cheap helmet and an expensive one and at high speed impact chances are you'll die anyway so the only things i can think of that benifit you from buying an expensive helmet are: fashion, comfort, lightness and better visors.
and just to add i had an accident with a cheap helmet on i went from 50mph braked hard then hit the back of a friend the helmet didn't even touch the ground!
Sorry, but I don't consider this to be a very valid test. Helmets are designed to withstand only ONE hit. Previous articles I read had data that showed a second hit at the same spot would have a 500% increase in the force that makes it through to your head. Note here they have multiple hits to the same spot. Look up the June 2005 issue of Motorcyclist magazine. They tested helmets from $80 to over $400, and they found some of the "cheap" one's did work much better.
A helmet has to be able to take two hits, and most standards double impact them. The idea is that it replicates one hit off the car bonnet, then one into the pavement. It's no good if it's rooted after the first one.
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I tell u how cheep helmets pass the test.
Company's who's making them they know in which part testing centre going to hit it. so they put some carbon fibre( tiny piece). so they hit straight to carbon fibre( its under paint work so u can't see). Dont know if that's true but i was told my someone who seems like he knows what he's talking:) I hope:)
More expensive doesn't mean more safe. The new SHARK ratings show some Arai and Shoei helmets getting a 3 Star rating, where are some cheap marushin helmets get 5.
But cheap helmets feel like aids on your face, whereas more expensive ones feel pro as fuck and wont rock your head off at high speeds as they're not shaped like a gold fish bowl.
I had a wreck back in 1985 while wearing an Aria helmet. It cost a TON for a 16 year old kid but I wanted to be safe. It took a hit directly to the chin guard while slamming into the side of a pickup at 60mph, an asphalt hit was to the top or back and a lot of scattered small scrapes/dings. I had NO head injury, not even a concussion. The impact force absolutely smashed the bike and broke both of my femurs, right tibia and fibula and 2 vertebra...etc. The Aria survived and saved me.
American helmets have to be certified to the Snell test, which is actually a harder test to pass than the European ECE2205 standard these helmets are made to pass.
In our MSF safety course the instructor informed us that helmets purchased in the US do not have to be SNELL certified but do have to be DOT certified. laws can be changed in 6 months however. BTW LOVE THE VIDEOS!!!
@Chilazr You are correct. The magazine is wrong in saying US helmets must pass a Snell test. Motorcyclist Magazine did a test of helmets a few years ago - all DOT approved, but only some Snell approved. The cheapest helmet of the group transmitted the least number of G's through to the head, particularly compared to the hard as nails Snell helmets. Brain injury is caused by G forces, so I'd rather take my chances with a softer helmet over one that is incredibly rigid.
Why is Bernie Ecclestone testing helmets?? :) :)
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Snell test requires a helmet to not exceed 300G's on impact, I would much rather have a Snell approved helmet knowing that my brain won't be as badly knocked as with a cheaper helmet from this video resulting in 600G's on impact.
harry092 2 weeks ago
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harry092 2 weeks ago
what a pants demo on helmet safet...
MCN are you 4 real
landahoycaptain 3 months ago
You are an idiot.
motormanish 4 months ago
Is that guy eating a Ginger Bread bisuit?
Munroman 6 months ago
ive got that white helmet with the black air vents, Its an Arashi Turbo only cost £40
springfeildshopper 7 months ago
The problem is that some of these tests that are harder to pass won't necessarily filter the helmets that will better protect your head from the impact, albeit the helmet will. Read "Motorcycle Helmet Performance: Blowing the Lid Off", available online from several sources for a throughoutly exam many types of tests and the problems with some of them.
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Krashusmc 8 months ago
You talk about Snell and DOT but I understand it ECER22-05 they need to be tested to?
Also very professorial making a video like this eating a biscuit?
devonmale69 8 months ago
right.... um mind letting us know which brands/models failed instead of just being vaguely pessimistic?
akaaccount 11 months ago 14
Arashi better not crashi !!!! lol
RogueBrit 1 year ago
People always trot out the old "what price do you put on your life" line, but I think the chances of being in an accident where a £400 helmet will save you but a £100 one wouldn't must be pretty remote, otherwise I wouldn't ride a bike. Plus a helmet isn't going to stop you breaking your neck, or back.
WeeJimmyJohnson 1 year ago
@WeeJimmyJohnson Your statement is true but MOST of the fatalities are due to HEAD INJURIES not neck or back injuries.
motormanish 1 year ago
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Krashusmc 8 months ago
@Krashusmc Look up the facts and you will find that this is true. Head injuries are the major causes of death when individuals are involved in a motorcycle crash.
motormanish 5 months ago
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Krashusmc 5 months ago
@Krashusmc You are an idiot. You can be the best rider in the world and do everything right and still be taken out by another person's inability to pay attention. You should always wear your helmet when you ride.
motormanish 4 months ago
@motormanish if you are doing everything right you would see that driver not paying attention and didn't see you. Defensive riding that call that. Just like the idiots that think "Well, I can just walk out in the crosswalk because that is my right and it's the law cars have to stop." I wish you well and safe travels.
Krashusmc 4 months ago
@Krashusmc You don't get it. The point is that no one can do everything right all of the time. Eventualy, all of us will have a moment of inattention when we will get caught with our guard down....its called being human.
Wear you gear.....we all make mistakes.
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Krashusmc 4 months ago
@Krashusmc False hope? I was hit head on by a teen aged driver drag racing another car. I was thrown 38 feet into the air and landed on the back of my head. The helmet was cracked and I received no major head injury. Do you think I would have been in the same condition without a helmet on?
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Krashusmc 4 months ago
@motormanish oh I do get it. I live and work it. It's all a game of chance. You crashed your bike with a helmet and got lucky. I gave you 3 motorcycle crashes where helmets weren't a factor. I proved my case. It's all about luck.
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@Krashusmc Prove to me that more people die from neck and back injuries in motorcycle accidents than head injuries. Where did you obtain that information..........Joe, your partner in the meat wagon?
motormanish 5 months ago
@Krashusmc Hey Jimmy Jerk Off. Do you even ride a motorcycle? Let me guess...... a Harley and you are against helmet laws.
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Krashusmc 4 months ago
A few hundred bucks might be a bit of stretch for some in the hip pocket but it beats being in a wheel-chair!
anzac2404 1 year ago
The moral of the story is to not crash into a solid metal mushroom and you'll be OK!
markjrobbins 1 year ago
Actually U. S. helmets do not have to be tested by Snell foundation. This is strictly a voluntary test on their (manufacturers) part. They do , however have to be DOT approved. They can be Snell apprroved, but if not DOT they cannot be sold here.
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So if its important to have a good quality helmet, why the fuck do they charge over £300 for a helmet which costs proberly £5 to make/distribute, If they want us to be safe, charge us less then more people will buy the better quality helmet. Dont get me wrong I buy good exspensive helmets but it is anoying forking that much on a helmet.
ManiaCop100 1 year ago
So in Australia, with our disgustingly limp wristed AS1698 "requirements" for helmets, how do I purchase a safe helmet?
Smoke1987jdalej 1 year ago
@Smoke1987jdalej
Bit of a late reply but easy really. Find the helmet you want at your local over-priced bike store, size it right then buy from overseas. A bit difficult with brands not available in Oz (and there are plenty) but a huge money saver with major brands by avoiding the thieves. Interestingly, during APEC we had 12 NSWPOL bikes based outside our work and 4 of those guys had DOT approved hats, not AS stickers. My Shoei is DOT approved, works for me!
sierraonezero 1 year ago
@sierraonezero Yes but unfortunately only the NSW police can ignore the law. The fine for riding with a helmet without a 1698 sticker is the same as the fine for riding without a helmet, more than $300 and I think 4 points. They also make you walk away from the bike - if they see you riding off, another 4 points, another $300.
Smoke1987jdalej 1 year ago
@Smoke1987jdalej
Yikes! That's absurd...might have some DOT removal to do soon, my points will not support a further 4 donations. Cheers for that.
sierraonezero 1 year ago
The problem is this - if you designa helmet for high speed (say 100-250kph) crashes, you need high impact resistance, so you make it more rigid. Which means it transmits more impact to your head at low speeds than helmets designed for lower speed impact energy absorbtion.
Badassbok 1 year ago
@Badassbok
But if you design it for lower speed crashes, you design it to destruct to absorb forces quickly at expected road speeds. These helmets will be better at lower speeds (say 50-140km/h) . But if they are in a high speed crash, they will destruct and absorb energy until there is no more protection left, and then your brain gets hurt.
Badassbok 1 year ago
well now a days ECE reg is only applicable in past in UK your helmet had to have Kitemark as written in Road Traffic act. Now even arai got to Beliguim i believe tp get helmets tested to minimum ECE regs
joeblogsChina 1 year ago
After working for the UK importers of Arai helmets, I can only say this: Buy cheap, buy twice.
The only trouble is, with a helmet, you might not get the chance to buy twice.
theduderwiggysan 2 years ago
I crash tested my HJC CL-15 SNELL APPROVED HELMET in 60 km/h and i got up and walked away with no headache or anything. My pillion didn't have the Snell approved helmet and she can't remember the crash. I WILL NEVER BUY A HELMET WHICH ISN'T SNELL APPROVED
a6km 2 years ago
All road helmets have to conform to a minimum safety standard anyway!
djeq721 2 years ago 2
Yes but is that standard good enough to protect your life in the absolute worst case?
VeloceManiac 2 years ago 6
My helmet is Snell, dot and ECE approves, and was £50 :)
djeq721 2 years ago 2
in the absolute worst case nothing will help you.
helmets aren't garranteed over 15mph anyway
plus this video proves nothing, a helmet isn't designed to take multiple hits, if you notice, they didn't test any expensive ones nor did they tell us the make of the ones they tested.
darkmetallica 2 years ago
yes but this is a you tube video..... "for full results and reportings read MCN magazine" if they did a full job on here for free they wouldnt make any money
julingy 2 years ago 2
@darkmetallica I hit a deer doing 70MPH and was high sided off of the motorcycle. My head was slammed on the road. That was more than 15MPH and I received no head injury.
If nothing will save you in the worst case, then ride naked and save your money by not getting protective gear.
motormanish 1 year ago
@motormanish
i don't doubt that :) however what i was saying they aren't guarantee'd over 15mph, that doesn't mean to say it's not going to work and not worth wearing one :)
darkmetallica 1 year ago
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djeq721 2 years ago
they should also try an expensive helmet to see the cons of buying one..
i think cheap helmets are not that bad as having your head exposed to open road..
just for a few days until you can buy a snell approved helmet..
Testingpointer1 2 years ago 4
better cheap than none at all...
stalker7d7 2 years ago 6
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oh i vas so lucky when ive crash wit my scoot because ive had in my head a good LAZER helmet....
EmyY2J 2 years ago
Everyone knows that you drop a helmet even once, and its trash and can be thrown away. Here we have two hard impacts on the same spot. Let me see an "expensive" helmet fair better for an actual comparison. And the other reality is that many of these impacts seem so hard, that good or expensive helmet, its likely the person would have died regardless as the brain still has to decelerate and will bounce really hard up against the skull and a harder shell does even worse in this respect.
DumbDuck44 2 years ago 6
bull crap maybe a cheap helmet but hey
if u want to put a price on your life you are when you save money
so you choose be alive ad missing an extra 200 dollars or dead now i no why u call urself dumbduck
mxkiter24 2 years ago
Why would you think you could insult someone by using a self-chosen name against them? Are you sure you even need a helmet to protect that noodle of yours? ;) Look, point is that most helmets are SNELL rated, and its well known now that these are made too hard compared to the "cheap" DOT only helmets. The point is for the helmet to self-destruct, and the hard ones are imparting far too many G-forces in survivable head injuries, and even SNELL is going to revize this for the 2010 standard.
DumbDuck44 2 years ago 2
Isnt that what cushions are for?
13loodshed 2 years ago
isent it composit helmet that gets trash if you drop them once? and plastic is ok to stil use, but not smart? I read that somevery, any whay.
when I drive fmx and crash I still use my helmet. but the old shoei helmet I acedentely dropd and I had to throw it :(
propm 2 years ago
I believe you're spot on chief. The fiberglass ones delaminate on impact, hence the one term use, but the polycarbonates just flex. We'll have to see what the new SNELL standard brings to the table on g-loading, otherwise I'm going w/ an ECE import. These weird anvil drops are unrealistic anyway, as stats I read showed nearly all impacts were against the flat surface of the road, so what are the chances of hitting something akin to a round steel ball 2-3 times in the same spot... pshh.
DumbDuck44 2 years ago 2
well in my opinion at low speed impact there is little difference between a cheap helmet and an expensive one and at high speed impact chances are you'll die anyway so the only things i can think of that benifit you from buying an expensive helmet are: fashion, comfort, lightness and better visors.
and just to add i had an accident with a cheap helmet on i went from 50mph braked hard then hit the back of a friend the helmet didn't even touch the ground!
fitzmorris 2 years ago 2
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you sound like a fool
limwad 2 years ago
why exactly?
fitzmorris 2 years ago 2
awful vid
davidbrucemusicvideo 2 years ago
pointles?!?!
buckhuck40 2 years ago
let's see an 'expensive' one pass then....
davetube2006 2 years ago 5
Sorry, but I don't consider this to be a very valid test. Helmets are designed to withstand only ONE hit. Previous articles I read had data that showed a second hit at the same spot would have a 500% increase in the force that makes it through to your head. Note here they have multiple hits to the same spot. Look up the June 2005 issue of Motorcyclist magazine. They tested helmets from $80 to over $400, and they found some of the "cheap" one's did work much better.
mcmark22 2 years ago 10
A helmet has to be able to take two hits, and most standards double impact them. The idea is that it replicates one hit off the car bonnet, then one into the pavement. It's no good if it's rooted after the first one.
CosmoxYRik 2 years ago 6
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I tell u how cheep helmets pass the test.
Company's who's making them they know in which part testing centre going to hit it. so they put some carbon fibre( tiny piece). so they hit straight to carbon fibre( its under paint work so u can't see). Dont know if that's true but i was told my someone who seems like he knows what he's talking:) I hope:)
mince2000 2 years ago
haha my mate rides with the white arashi, deadly lucky i ride kbc vr1
lilvfr400boy 2 years ago
omg did any helmets pass
cwjolly69 2 years ago
More expensive doesn't mean more safe. The new SHARK ratings show some Arai and Shoei helmets getting a 3 Star rating, where are some cheap marushin helmets get 5.
Oronare 3 years ago
You mean SHARP ratings not SHARK ratings
Drinkyoghurt 3 years ago 2
That's it. Sorry.
It is still amazing how some cheap helmets out perform the high end helmets though in some cases.
Oronare 3 years ago
But cheap helmets feel like aids on your face, whereas more expensive ones feel pro as fuck and wont rock your head off at high speeds as they're not shaped like a gold fish bowl.
OmNomNomFap 3 years ago 31
lol AIDS on your face...
boysinblack 2 years ago 5
wow, good thing i have a hammy down arai helmet, its in good condition too
Resolveo4 3 years ago
as the old saying goes,got a cheap head get a cheap crash hat!
Joe90ridesahonda 4 years ago
Well I learnt bugger all from that. Thanks MSN!
KingRizlaSize 4 years ago 8
I had a wreck back in 1985 while wearing an Aria helmet. It cost a TON for a 16 year old kid but I wanted to be safe. It took a hit directly to the chin guard while slamming into the side of a pickup at 60mph, an asphalt hit was to the top or back and a lot of scattered small scrapes/dings. I had NO head injury, not even a concussion. The impact force absolutely smashed the bike and broke both of my femurs, right tibia and fibula and 2 vertebra...etc. The Aria survived and saved me.
4estGimp 4 years ago 38
wow lucky you bought a good helmet
account98 4 years ago
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very lucky mate, i can relate that to how expensive my viper gt was last year with me still being at college
JTAY800 3 years ago
@4estGimp yep and thats exactly why i only by arai helmets! But still Shoei got some good ones aswell, drive safe all of yall
1984abcdef1984 9 months ago
wonder what Arai and Shoei helmets fare like against these
filthebandit 4 years ago
Honestly I suggest the Arai RX7, its not cheap, but it took 13 attempts to even penatrate it on that last test. What's your life worth?
pullingtheton1234 4 years ago 2
lol i had the 1st helmet
skrebys 5 years ago
Ouch... I guess that life is worth more than you save on a cheap helmet... Never buy one of those unless it is for your mother-in-law... ;)
CptTuttle 5 years ago
Scary, but could save a few lives.
xpat666 5 years ago
Cool video, thanks!
easydog 5 years ago
American helmets have to be certified to the Snell test, which is actually a harder test to pass than the European ECE2205 standard these helmets are made to pass.
motorcyclenewsdotcom 5 years ago
In our MSF safety course the instructor informed us that helmets purchased in the US do not have to be SNELL certified but do have to be DOT certified. laws can be changed in 6 months however. BTW LOVE THE VIDEOS!!!
BoOoOoYourVidSuCkS 4 years ago
@motorcyclenewsdotcom
Really? I heard the opposite, i heard ECE2205 was the harder test, both my Shark Helmets are ECE2205/DOT but not sure of Snell.
slowestz 1 year ago
@motorcyclenewsdotcom
I thought the only thing US helmets had to pass with the DOT test. SNELL is just icing on the cake. That's what the dealers are saying, anyways.
Chilazr 1 year ago
@Chilazr You are correct. The magazine is wrong in saying US helmets must pass a Snell test. Motorcyclist Magazine did a test of helmets a few years ago - all DOT approved, but only some Snell approved. The cheapest helmet of the group transmitted the least number of G's through to the head, particularly compared to the hard as nails Snell helmets. Brain injury is caused by G forces, so I'd rather take my chances with a softer helmet over one that is incredibly rigid.
crispiegee1 1 year ago
@motorcyclenewsdotcom no they dont. They dont have to be cert for anything. Most cheap helmets are DOT. but DOt will approve a bucket over your head.
YamahaGuy1991 1 year ago
@motorcyclenewsdotcom
Garbage - they have to be tested to DOT - SNELL is not legally enforceable in any country as it is not a legislated standard
Try this and stop spreading disinformation
U.S. Department of Transportation Sec. 571.218 Standard No. 218 FMVSS 218 - 49 CFR 571.218
motolegion 8 months ago
@motorcyclenewsdotcom WRONG.
rankore69 5 months ago