i wish people would get off this "white supremacist" nonsense.Whites who want to organize for their own group interests,or who want to stop non-white immigration,or want to stop affirmative action and other destructive policies,or who want to break the jewish grip over our government and media,or who recognize racial differences in criminality and intelligence,or who recognize the insanity of increased diversity in all facets of our society,are not racist or supremacist.
the "height/speed/strength" argument is silly; in-group and out-group perceptions are based on signifiers of genetic relatedness - height, speed and strength don't really figure in that.
White are the ones who are on the government dole the most welfare,Medicaid social security,farm subsidies,affirmative action =white women,government bailouts,contracts from the government,.people who don't like big government sure use it up
Wise has said, with great certainty, that race does not exist. Why, then, does he hate the white race? According to his own declared biological axiom, he is hating something that does not exist.
Also, why is there a concept of racial equality, if race does not exist? Even for Liberal logic, this is insane.
The main argument against Wise here is that he is Jewish...and? Seriously, its completely pathetic.
Wise here is suave, erudite and informed; Taylor shows himself uninformed and curmudgeonously grumbling without taking in anything that Wise is saying.
Tim Wise easily wiped the floor with Jared Taylor throughout this debate. Those comments that claim otherwise are mostly white supremacist zombies (usually from Stormfront) that go and spam as many Tim Wise videos as possible to make it seem as if there are more people on the "white nationalist" movement then there really are. Desperate attacks like that only serve to prove just how that joke of a movement is dying and has been for years.
LMAO seriously? did you just made that up or are you being sarcastic? because only a person that has an IQ of 50 will say that nonsense and believe it. "so hes not a jew" are you nuts. Read the bible again Jesus was jewish born to a jewish woman follow jewish traditions and teachings . So please stop making stuff up. Ps God never said Christians or any other will inherit Israel. He said 'my people will inherit Israel" so thank you for playing
@de225226 you contradicted yourself. You said that they want to divide us, when we are already divided. You just subconsciously want to keep the things the way they are. Our communities are divided, schools are divided, they are not segregated. Whites on an avg live in "areas" that are better. I live in philadelphia, pop city right? Growing up whites lived around, but they all got up and left, due to inheritance which blacks don't have they have wealth and were able to move to better areas
Tim is a Jew pretending to Be White only to stir up hate+violence between Whties vs Blacks. In LA JEWS put Blacks vs Mexicans as the race war is happening now+in jails
Jews fully control America/Europe+they are out to destroy USA. Here is Proof of how they do it.
Watch on youtube "THE ZIONIST MATRIX POWER"
FACT- 98% of the slave trade was dominated by Jews, Less then 2% of whites profited or owned slaves, but they try to put all blame on whites.
@de225226 they both look white to me. jews are only different when it comes to religion. all of you lock your car doors when you see black people. can i get 14 thumbs up for that?
@de225226 if 98% slavery was ran by jews then, its majority of whites that ran the slave trade. Because according to whites who usually openly say they hate jews are from the south. If you hate jews so much then why def you wouldn't have hate for blacks. You have hate for the Muslims as well.
Like somehow, socialism means progress and that it can't really be stopped because with due time it gets stronger and stronger... In fact, in these times, my point makes the most sense that it could ever make.
Actually... NO WE DON'T the flaw is simply that you make it look like we do. So imagine europe had a giant 30 mile wall built around it and no one could pass or enter this wall. Would Europe just instantly dissapear?
No it wouldn't. That's because white countries don't REALLY NEED diversity, it's just an added extra thing that's pushed in by people like tim wise. It doesn't matter what year it is... you're acting like just because its 2011, my point is somehow invalid.
Jareds whole theory cracks after the colonial refrence Wise gives, which is in fact the core of current class structure, and demonstrates the moment when the out group was established by the rich. It serves the same purpose today, but the fact being brought to light at this point in time is the same as it was at the time the class system was created. The rich are fucking the 98% over, and they will turn on the rich if they dont turn on each other first. Thus, the racial divide is cultivated.
@aynaristo Ahhh.. so we're simply using steps in line with the natural course of progression to validate people of similar skin tones? So for example, Steve Jobs, founder of Apple validates every white man on the face of the planet? lol Fair enough, Then all blacks are validated by John Henry Thompson. Who invented Lingo. Google it before asking me what it is, or who he is.
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,for example the achievement of the west validates Culture of the Collective ,which is not found found in collective societies of Africa or Middle East. The madness of diversity has reached to such a severe level that Jan Ernst Matzeliger is celebrated but a far more important person Thomas Edison whose birthday falls on the same day ,is ignored because he was a white person .The person who pointed out this discrimination is being investigated for "hate crime "
@aynaristo Wait a minute, now your saying in terms of culture, the collective achievements are a testament to them? So then its fair to say that because of the numerous achievements made in the US, the only country celebrated in terms of its diversity is able to do so only because of its multiculturalism? Ahh.. that makes sense, cause it can be noted that Greenland is not noted for its technological achievements. Which surely it would be if white society was the key to advancement right?
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,it's fair to say that till the 70's immigration to U.S was unicultural ,coming from europe which had more or less similar charcteristic as a part of a homogenous western identity.Diversity & multiculturalism was foced upon in the U.S ,celebrated by P.C ,liberal marxist nexus including some jews like Tim wise ,owing their allegiance to ethno-politics of israel while despising the same in U.S.
@aynaristo To argue achievement in relation to ethnicity, while disregarding the various other factors that attribute to advancement or decline is in itself truly ignorant. At one point in time, all great civilizations were at the tip of what we call "modern". This holds true from Africa, to the Mayans. The only constant is that since the start of western civilization, all attempts have been made to sever connections between past and present. Notice that ?
@ThisPageStaysREAL No,I am not disregarding ,infact I am calling attention to the same digressing factors & calling for their reform ,which is exactly what Jared Taylor ,Peter Brimelow & Pat Buchanan are doing while citing black crime rates .But these good people are called racist by someone like Tim Wise who sells lies like a crack dealer to emotionally exploit the black/hispanic/asian community.
Before you Notice it ,you will be shipped out to Iran to fight an enemy ,not a threat to you .
@aynaristo The flaw in Jared Taylors crime rant is that he relates crimes of poverty to genetic composition. (which in reality, is outrageous since dna among humans is indistinguishable) He relates violent crime to blacks, when less than 100 years ago, prior to bank fraud,embezzelment etc, whites were cutting throats, mugging and commiting the very same and in fact more horrific crimes that Taylor now attributes to blacks.
@ThisPageStaysREAL And 100 years later ,blacks are still cutting throats & mugging while African countries are hotbed of rape ,brutality & corruption.Maybe not about DNA ,(however there is the psysiological explanation in "muscle twitch " which makes blacks faster than whites) ,what jared is opposing is affirmative action & placing the best person for the job.You don't have affirmative action in sports ,do you ?
@aynaristo 100 years later blacks are still cutting throats mugging, true indeeed. I suppose that level of crime will persist until a black economy is fully functional and self supportive. This would lead to increased education and opportunities. Then the amount of violence needed in a particular crime will subside. When the same criminal has the knowledge of fraud embezzelment, S&L scams and the opportunity to commit them arrives, it will put it in perspective.
@ThisPageStaysREAL I am not supporting wall street bankers & I want them to be punished ,but it seems you see this in racial perspective ,employment in those banks were open for blacks too ,so your balancing argument is nullified here.
After 9/11 someone asked brimelow about it's cause to which he answered "It's the immigration,stupid" .Had we banned immigration from unstable islamic countries then ,trillions in war lost & millions won't be dead today.That's all I want.
@aynaristo Another flaw in the violent gene theory is Russia. look at russia today, and the behavior of the have nots. The criminal system there is FILLED to the brim with murderers, rapists, thieves, you name it. I was watching a documentary just yesterday about the kids there. Most are hardened criminals by age 13. Is this a genetic trait? Or is it logical to assume it has more to do with frustration, education, and lack of opportunities for advancement in broad terms?
@aynaristo Re: shipped to Iran, I agree 100% that a globalist agenda is using the US military to enforce its will. But that has little to do with jaylor and his crowd. If a Black speaker was to cite skin tones in regards to the taking of life in mass, and relating whites to Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the WW2 era players, would he be wrong? Or more specific, what about child molestation demographics? Which cant in any way be linked to economic standing, but more to genetic pre-disposition?
@aynaristo And re: Matzelinger, thats not a very good example. Mostly because everybody knows who Edison is, and to say he's brushed aside in history to be replaced with a black inventor is sheer foolishness. You need to be a bit more realistic in your debate with me please.
@ThisPageStaysREAL I have told you the fact regarding a certain university & it's P.C ,Diversity enforcing police.
But let's keep it real ,what factors have caused genocide in Darfur ? Was it not the ethnic/religious divide between Arab muslims & African native pagans ?In Asia ,Sri Lanka ,immigrant Tamils & native Sinhalese ,Christian Serbs & Muslim croatians .None of them are celebrating diversity .
@aynaristo The conflict in darfur, should in fact be negated in this debate as its participants were in opposition over religious beliefs, not skin tones. The fact that brawls dont break out among different ethnicities at a sunday church service should demonstate this easily. Religion is a dangerous thing. And the fact that regardless of ethnicity, crime rates worldwide are always higher in lower income areas should expose the frail pin that Taylors theory clings to for legitimacy.
@ThisPageStaysREAL There is a silly attempt on the part of blacks especially the members of nation of islam ,to negate 400,000 people killed in darfur.you need to check again !It was brown vs black skin tones.
There is already a civil war of sorts going between blacks & hispanics in U.S ,And you forgot to mention what caused poverty in the first place ?
@aynaristo The cause of poverty is a whole seperate issue. The time following the US reconstruction period for example saw a higher percentage of skilled black labor than whites. What that led to was unions, and black labor being chased of jobsites etc. This is all well documented, but the point is not to place blame or neglect the mistakes of those in the past that led to the present situation. Thats pretty much Taylors bit, to say the result is simply its own problem. Simply not true.
@ThisPageStaysREAL Isn't it ironic that blacks majoritatively vote for democratic party which represents those very same unions?This is perpetuating the circle of poverty.My aim is not to insult your community or you ,what I want is an end to affirmative action & forced diversity in order to place the best people on the best job.
End to wars & global aid (3 bn to Israel & 6bn to M/E for israel)annually,for this to happen the black community must not be seduced by tim/rahm/olby & maddow.
@aynaristo Well..IMO, the entire democratic/republican party idea is a fraud. As it exists today anyways. Both sides appeal to all people in some form, its the seperation of common needs/wants/desires. What the parties say on the label, and what they actually contain are polar opposites. Both parties are controlled by the same people, so to buy into the system is quite silly. Its the key to elite control. keep changing and blaming public faces, not those in control. Its foolish.
@aynaristo Re: ending affirmative action lol.. shiit. Think about that for a minute. When you support a guy who preaches that blacks are simply not as smart as whites, then talk about the best people on the best jobs.. It just says "an all white work force" Cause the population dictates for every black applicant, there are 10 whites. ALL of whom would be better for the job given the current stereotype Jared pushes. The stereotype is very strong. Its the image that pops in ur head instantly.
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,that's not what jared said ,let's keep it real ,what he said was that diversity through affirmative action should not be forced when some applicants are not smart enough for the job .The stereotype is not important for any private sector employer who is looking to maximise his profits ,not practice apartheid.
@aynaristo No, whats unfounded is Jareds speculation that the applicant wasn't smart enough for the job. Thats the whole point. He and those like him create this fantasy world where retarded blacks are just walking into these jobs without having the skills to perform them. Like seriously, you apply for a position you know you can fill, not one your resume cant support. This whole image of a lab-tech polishing his gold teeth while some white MIT grad got denied is biased and unfounded.
@ThisPageStaysREAL In 07, Adversity net examined the racial hiring practices of Washington’s Executive Departments and Independent Agencies, & found them to overfill the diversity quota Controlled Substance Ordering System, the Government Printing Office, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, overhire Blacks at 800, 500, and 400 % respectively. NASA, overhires Blacks at a clip of 50 %Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are 50% black
@aynaristo OK, now take those numbers and head over to wiki under " equality in pay rates" or "rate of pay by ethnicity" It may also have something to do with blacks being more devoted to serious positions, or low rate of workplace violence, who knows lol.
@aynaristo In the private sector, id be willing to bet any black applicant going for the job more than likely has his shit together, and is more than capable of doing the job. Its getting foolish almost. I'd love to debate with you, but as is usually the case i end up wasting time trying to illicit a logical dialogue with somebody who clings to racism as a means of validation. If you need to prove something as bad as Jared does, it usually means you're trying to prove it to yourself. Thats Real
@ThisPageStaysREAL Thanks for the psychoanalysis ,but I think you have nothing to say in light of the facts that blacks are heavily employed in public sector jobs & your sterotyping bogeyman doesnot apply.
@aynaristo blacks have historically held large amounts of jobs in the public sector, or service industry if you will.
Bus drivers, airport workers, the DMV, transit departments, etc. Whats your point? Those are also the jobs that end up getting canned just shy of retirement or pensions.
@aynaristo The most illogical things seem logical when a stereotype is the mental backdrop for the info. Asians on average possess a brain mass larger than europeans and have shown to have a faster synapsis between neurons in MRI's. Does this mean they are superior to whites?
@ThisPageStaysREAL Asians have shown better PISA results & if anyone should be considered for immigration it should be them not muslims from Libya ! Jared has accepted these results .
@aynaristo EXACTLY!!! see! that whole line i stated about asians was complete BULLSHIT! But against the stereotype backdrop of the gifted asian it made sense to you, just like Jareds nonsense does. I live in HK, Japan prior to this,and can tell you without a DOUBT, China is full of people who dont understand half the shit that surrounds them. There is no shortage of idiots in Asia my friend. Access to education and family support from the start create desirables, not genetics.
Anyone arguing w/ Infidel guy about who won this debate is wasting breath. Contrary to whatever logic he uses to favor Wise as the winner, the reason why he disagrees with Taylor is much simpler. Wise promotes the further extortion ( affirmative action,reparations) of whites and Taylor opposes these handouts. Wise sides with blacks. Infidel Guy is black. Thus INFIDEL GUY sides with Wise. No matter what he says to the contrary, we know this to be true.
Jared Taylor takes factual information about the state of the world and draws a conclusion about the causation of that state. Tim wise in turn presents factual information that provide direct contradiction to the line of reason on which Jared Taylor's conclusion rests, thereby demonstrating that the conclusion is in direct contradiction with fact, and therefore CANNOT be factual. If you are unable to follow this explanation, you are also unable to see why Tim Wise's argument is more reasonable
@cdbaxte Unfortunately all that you have said is an opinion ,begging everyone to see Uncle Tim's argument as being reasonable all the while you have done nothing to prove it's so.
How about rephrasing your words to actually form an opinion.
@aynaristo lmao!!!! Ok. Let me quote you. "Unfortunately all that you have said is an opinion"/"How about rephrasing your words to actually form an opinion" How did you contradict yourself in the space of TWO sentences? That is amazingly hilarious my friend! Also, let me enlighten you to the fact that the point of debate is to dismiss opinions and beliefs that are found to be illogical or irrational. If you disagree with my comment, feel free to point out its logical fallacy :-)
@cdbaxte You should have read more --->"an opinion ,---begging everyone to see Uncle Tim's argument as being reasonable all the while you have done nothing to prove it's so"
I see you have trouble reading complete sentences ,LMAO !
It is indeed very hilarious that neither in your earlier comment nor in this one ,you have managed to either prove or disapprove any of Taylor or wise's comments.
@aynaristo Ok! last attempt... before I can even begin to comment on the video, you must understand your own self contradiction. You said that all I have formed is an opinion. You later suggest that I should rephrase my words to form an opinion, implying that I did not form an opinion. If I did form an opinion, then why would it be necessary to rephrase my words in order to form one? And on proof... why don't you in your vast intelligence provide me a way to prove or disprove an argument?
@cdbaxte What giving up already ? Both you & @Raybanmonster have nothing to say ,you cannot argue on one single point that Jared has said ,you cannot find one single argument that either Wise or Jared has said that is debatable but both of you somehow came to the conclusion that he was wrong.
Is it so hard ?Let's try again ,how is Uncle Tim's argument more reasonable ,based on what facts have you reached this conclusion?
Multiculturalism and Diversity are Zionist tools used to destroy White countries and White countries only. It's designed to achieve the ultimate goal of White genocide. Don't believe me? Watch this video where one of these disgusting Zionists lets the cat out of the bag:
watch?v=n9DBmP86vAM
Why are only White countries targeted for Multiculturalism? Why not African, Asian, Latin American countries? Enough already! Stand up and speak the truth.
@aynaristo Id rather leave you swimming in your own ignorance and racist bigotry. That is punishment for you enough regardless of your classless use of racial insults you may want to use to make yourself feel better.
@aynaristo No one cares when you are racist. You have been given the gift of life and look at what you are spending your time doing as if somehow a black guy has stolen your life from you. You dont own even your daughters sexual rights let alone one white woman you have never met Im afraid. You have issues, or next youll be spending your time complaining to bored people that you hate big trees, snails Roses or Daffodils.. pointless.. they exist get over it, and get on with your life
@Raybanmonster I am enjoying myself ,at this very moment ,thank you.
I have nothing against black people but the fact remains that Jared was right in his stand against racial diversity,it's not a unifying factor ,it's divisive as it creates multiple loyalties in the body politic.With mass immigration in U.S & the west ,more cleavages will germinate ,there is already a civil war of sorts going on between blacks & hispanics
You listen to this guy ,he will own you for zionist purposes !!
Taylor started right in with a completely idiotic proposition. I have the perfect example, because I live here: New York City. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world and one of the safest large cities in the country.
Currently in N. Carolina, Jared Taylor and a group of Peaceful White Nationalists have been blocked by the NAACP, Jewish Defense League and The Black Mayor from having the Renaissance convention, a large white gathering. White people are being prevented from uniting in the most peaceful and respectful way by the Jews and the Black politicians this is unconstitutional. We are losing our civil rights in our own land to the minorities we protect and empower
@SLAM234 white working class people are being discriminated against in the USA and are not being treated equally. we are expected to embrace diversity, but the people who come here are not embracing our culture.
a working class white man today is denied access to college in the USA to a black man even if the white person is socioeconomically deserving and academically superior. the black person, minority or immigrant is selected based on race alone by laws we whites have created.
no, we are the same species, not all the same people.
Polar Bears are not the same as Grizzlies or Black Bears(and we don't consider them to be the same), it is the same thing with humans, humans are supposed to be a rainbow, not a terrible mess of a puddle composed of a bunch of different colors.
You have yet to prove how I am inciting any racism., and you can't prove it.
@SLAM234 I have already explained why this can't work.If you love yourself and your people, then you will understand that you yourself are connected to your people through your own skin color, therefore you will not appreciate other cultures as much and you will seek to be with your people all or most of the time(which is what babies automatically do btw).Just because you go and hug a person who is a different race, doesn't mean who can't hug a person like you HARDER and tighter.
did you see the CNBC special on the Harlem Globetrotters last year?
It is obvious that they created the black supremacy viewpoint in sports and social circles by defeating the national champions, and pushed it further with their actual act making a joke of an all white team that traveled with them every single time, obviously it wasn't really their fault it was multiculturalism's fault.
btw, it is now impossible for schools to support most boy's sports besides basketball and football.
did you see the CNBC special on the Harlem Globetrotters last year?
It is obvious that they created the black supremacy viewpoint in sports and social circles by defeating the national champions, and pushed it further with their actual act making a joke of an all white team that traveled with them every single time, obviously it wasn't really their fault it was multiculturalism's fault.
btw, it is now impossible for schools to support most boy's sports besides basketball and football.
@SLAM234 that wasn't what I was referring to when I mentioned basketball.
The Harlem globetrotters shouldn't have been a symbol of black superiority, but because we are a multicultural nation, blacks and whites are ALWAYS compared on a racial level and therefore instead of great basketball players being examples for both white and black kids, they became the superior race of human to play basketball to everyone in America and white kids just stopped playing basketball altogether.
@SLAM234 Even if everyone agreed politically for the most part, they will never agree that everyone is equal, NO ONE believes that.Even if white people weren't thought of as being the symbol for anti diversity, we would still have stupid shit like 'white man can't jump' which will recreate the same kind of anti white culture.
Instead of people thinking blacks were great at basketball and other things, they thought they were automatically BETTER than whites. All kinds of people.
Black people love themselves and have a strong relationship with both their close and fairly distant family, all I am doing is promoting that more family oriented thinking should be in white families, it isn't now because essentially anyone beyond 1st cousin doesn't exist in a white family.
That has to change, white people have to stay together and stick up for each other.
and also you don't get it, I don't just want white people, I want nationalities
You can't have it both ways, either whites will love themselves and therefore seek to be around themselves only, or they will hate themselves and seek to eliminate themselves.
Proud whites will even hug black people and kiss them on the cheek if they are secure in their survival as a sign of friendship, but they still won't want to live with you or other blacks instead of white people or procreate with you.
Nationalist nations can still be peaceful to other nations if it is mutual.
Laws will either speed up or slow down the destruction of European cultures, because eventually the immigrants will be the majority of the youth and then when that happens the culture changes until the natives have more children than the immigrants(which has little to no chance of happening), or it doesn't change and that culture is permanently dead.
They have to stop promoting multiculturalism altogether and start promoting pro white atmospheres to increase births.
@SLAM234 you can't change the fact that if white people are the ones who created the culture of the country that is being invaded by millions of foreigners, then they are the ones who will lose their culture in favor of the invaders, and the invaders will then marginalize white people.
Immigrants ALWAYS have higher birth rate and therefore will ALWAYS dominate the culture of the country they are running to, therefore the native culture is replaced and destroyed as well as the natives themselves.
If you are in a white majority nation, multiculturalism will ALWAYS be anti white.
In places like Japan, Korea and South Africa where multiculturalism is indeed destroying the native population(despite the fact we don't hear about that), whites are actually benefiting from multiculturalism quite a bit, little by little, as well as all other non natives in those countries.
he is simply a multiculturalist, multiculturalism causes racism every time.
Racial diversity has no benefits and more negatives than you could possibly imagine.
White and black people don't hate each other naturally, multiculturalism was put into place with the assumption that we do in fact hate each other and must be forced to learn about each other, that is why it fails every time.
If I want to learn about African people, I will go to Africa or specifically talk to an African.
The only time white people like diversity is during sex and slavery. Now that the slaves are free they want us to simply disappear. Lets talk facts whites are known to wipe out entire Countries ask the Native American.
People who don't think critically have been taken down the path of gradualism to accept things their people never would have. Abortion, socialism, unnecessary wars against our own kin, banking system, most media, and education controlled by aggressive leftists whose interests are opposed to them of the founding peoples of these United States, etc. Fact is, most folks are most comfortable with their own kind. This is self-evident. Tim Wise is a troublemaker, as our his fellow tribesmen.
@Fersomling I agree with your statement that "blacks see through this stuff too".
Blacks are far more likely to respect Jared Taylor who is a "straight up" white man who defends his people than a two-faced weasel like Tim Wise who would throw his own grandmother under a bus if it provided him with a $5,000 speaking engagement.
@utube9000 : Right. I do not know much about Black studies, but I want to get into it. Knowledge is a good thing, of course.
To paraphrase, 'the price of freedom and peace is eternal vigilance and wisdom. We have to watch the troublemakers and shit-disturbers and neutralize their negativity as early as possible.
Having read Kevin MacDonald's works, my eyes are now wide open to active troublemakers.
We must join the the fight for the minds and hearts of good people everywhere.
“And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.
Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.
Because you’re on the endangered list.And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.
Who said this? TIM WISE DID!! He's an ANTI-WHITE PEICE OF SHIT!!
Most crimes are committed on ones on race...White corporate criminals bilk each others out of millions via Wall street scams etc, destroying families . It's dog eat dog ...Serial Killers victims are white, with the exception of Dahmer ...Blacks kill and steal more from each other. I'm black and more likely to die at the hands of a black person....Tim Wise had this in the bag from the word go
Because not everyone is part of the problem, we shouldn't lump them into the same category based on their race. We should prosocute offenders who break laws, not prejudge people who have not yet offended. --This point is the heart of what makes racism wrong and where most racists will show their "true colors" and admit that they really don't care, they just want to kill/remove/marginalize blacks, hispanics, whites, etc. even if there was no crime or race tension.
Jared Taylor was the only one citing facts, while Wise was constantly avoiding them, instead, appealing to one-sided historical perspectives which most people have come to accept through constant indoctrination in mainstream public schools and academia. Little wonder why the anti-racists would agree with Wise, since they have not been given sufficient education about the opposing viewpoint to be able to decide for themselves. This is why Jared Taylor won the argument, if I had to choose.
I disagree. I agreed with Wise on things, and agreed with Taylor on things, but I think Wise not only outclassed Taylor, but pretty much refuted everything Taylor said. Taylor hardly responded to Wise and just jumped to another point. Taylor repeated himself numerous times too. Wise ran circles around him, and I don’t even agree with many things he said. Also, the say that “sociological arguments are invalid” is so absurd that I can’t even respond to it.
Is Tim Wise Jewish? Yes. Is he a communist? He is certainly a collectivist and advocate of "enforced equality." Has he promoted white genocide? In a manner yes. He recently suggested that the death of white people is a positive development in the road towards "racial equality".
So, although coarsely phrased, calling Tim Wise a "Communist Jew who purposely supports white genocide" is actually not an unreasonable statement.
@AntonBatey Racism is a Marxist construct, it doesn't exist. it is only used as a scapegoat to destroy white pride, identity and furthermore us. Nationalists, anti-immigration activists are all labeled racist, but only in white country's. You never hear anybody called anti-immigration activists in japan or Korea racist, only in white country is it used. fact, the world racism/racist was invented less than 80 years ago ironically.
@AntonBatey "Then I suppose Jared Taylor is a fascist, racist white fanatic." Why? Sounds like "tit-for-tat" logic to me.
Look up Tim Wise's "An open letter to the White right...". It's pure anti-white hate diatribe, no matter that later, he tried to back-peddle, and "explain it away".
You don't find Taylor saying/authoring anything even REMOTELY resembling a call for genocide, do you?
@LordMalice6d9 I don't trust anything he says either, but not because of the BS you're spouting. He's a white sack of shit, and no non-white person should ever listen to a white piece of shit, even a self-loathing one.
Did we even listen to the same debate? Or is it that you already decided before you listened to the discussion that Taylor "won" the argument?
Tim Wise is completely right. So-called "whites" have been in-fighting for thousands of years (like many other "races" have). This entire theory of "racial loyalty" and natural segregation is complete nonsense, and Tim Wise did a great job of refuting Taylor's anti-scientific rhetoric.
Sociological arguments are invalid. The leftwingers constantly harp on something that is an assumption, which is scientific methods are dubious. They cannot be proven scientifically. To automatically claim that race is not a valid taxonomy is to deny science; to deny science is to deny the facts and therefore the truth.
@shaudee67 Agreed. They not even based on scientific evidence, just commonly "accepted" (by political force) opinions that are regurgitated in academia with no other perspective, presented.
@TheWNMan There's a great article critiquing this debate on the Gene Expression website (gnxp DOT com) called "A Word to the Wise on Race". It's interesting and points out several of his inaccuracies and flaws. You should search for it, it's a good read.
Taylor owned this moron lol.. Again I will mention I do not appreciate people that walk around with pants half down practicaly masturbating in front of our kids.
@9830sct "incessant wars between white countries over the centuries." That validated Taylors point regarding how people group with each other and how thats a source of conflict. only an idiot like wise or you would fail to see this.
@jumpoutatree 100 is average, clearly you are below this since you clearly lack basic reading comprehension skills. this is no reference to my own of course, because otherwise I wouldn't be a member of mensa.
@UserUK201 It's called sarcasm, bro... I don't think 'Mensa members' would need to be told that. LOL 'Mensa member'. You're completely full of shit, but we both knew that already.
I especially liked how Jared Taylor is very concise while Tim Wise beats around the bush for quite some time before getting any point across.
He said that people need to be "reoriented", which is essentially like saying people need to be molded. We need to be "recreated" into a better thing than nature has allowed for; this is wishful thinking at the evst best.
No one is flooding Japan with Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".
No one is flooding Africa with Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".
Only citizens of White/European Countries like the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all the countries in Europe are having uncontrolled immigration forced on them.
This "assimilation" or blending is nothing more than an attempt to wipe out the White race. It’s genocide.
i'm not going to debate someone who thinks his race is better than other races. that's idiotic to even claim that let alone waste their time thinking it.
@yeehaw1451 You sad clown, I see how you copied your own comment on to a different video. Why, because you thought it was a brilliant statement. LOL. It was pitiful reading it the first time, and now I come to look at this video, and I have to read it again, and it's still pitiful.
i wish people would get off this "white supremacist" nonsense.Whites who want to organize for their own group interests,or who want to stop non-white immigration,or want to stop affirmative action and other destructive policies,or who want to break the jewish grip over our government and media,or who recognize racial differences in criminality and intelligence,or who recognize the insanity of increased diversity in all facets of our society,are not racist or supremacist.
IwontConform 3 days ago
the "height/speed/strength" argument is silly; in-group and out-group perceptions are based on signifiers of genetic relatedness - height, speed and strength don't really figure in that.
TheIllestVillain 2 weeks ago
White are the ones who are on the government dole the most welfare,Medicaid social security,farm subsidies,affirmative action =white women,government bailouts,contracts from the government,.people who don't like big government sure use it up
mdna72 4 weeks ago
@mdna72 whites pay far more of the taxes, why shouldn't they get something in return.
prestonwiginton1964 3 weeks ago
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Wise has said, with great certainty, that race does not exist. Why, then, does he hate the white race? According to his own declared biological axiom, he is hating something that does not exist.
Also, why is there a concept of racial equality, if race does not exist? Even for Liberal logic, this is insane.
capturedpilot 1 month ago
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capturedpilot 1 month ago
wtf is with all the jew hating?... damn... ever see jewish flash mobs in philly? nope... danh
spwebb7771 5 months ago
The main argument against Wise here is that he is Jewish...and? Seriously, its completely pathetic.
Wise here is suave, erudite and informed; Taylor shows himself uninformed and curmudgeonously grumbling without taking in anything that Wise is saying.
niriop 5 months ago
@niriop
Your antiwhite bias is showing,
omegapoint777 1 month ago
@omegapoint777 Your sheer fucking idiocy is showing
niriop 1 month ago
Tim Wise easily wiped the floor with Jared Taylor throughout this debate. Those comments that claim otherwise are mostly white supremacist zombies (usually from Stormfront) that go and spam as many Tim Wise videos as possible to make it seem as if there are more people on the "white nationalist" movement then there really are. Desperate attacks like that only serve to prove just how that joke of a movement is dying and has been for years.
DaRunningMan 5 months ago
I love Tim Wise
strawberrylaralara 6 months ago
Jared Taylor, My Nigger
Raybanmonster 6 months ago
tim wise owned this scrub lol
inittowinit3 7 months ago
We black folks need to lock our doors when we see racist, stinking white TRASH like hcgbk!!
mjewing8 9 months ago
I think black ppl should lock their doors when they see stinking, racist whites like hcgbk!!!
mjewing8 9 months ago
I bet this fools that keep talking about "Jew this and that " happen to be Christians LMAO...yet they forget Jesus is Jewish LMAO sad little racist
Eddy120876 9 months ago
@Eddy120876 Jesus started Christianity,so is not a JEW.And Israel is a place for gods people who are the Christiana,not the jews.
America4Americans01 9 months ago
@America4Americans01
LMAO seriously? did you just made that up or are you being sarcastic? because only a person that has an IQ of 50 will say that nonsense and believe it. "so hes not a jew" are you nuts. Read the bible again Jesus was jewish born to a jewish woman follow jewish traditions and teachings . So please stop making stuff up. Ps God never said Christians or any other will inherit Israel. He said 'my people will inherit Israel" so thank you for playing
Eddy120876 9 months ago
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polutc 10 months ago
Are the two highest rated comments for a video on Tim Wise, a staunch anti-racist, really anti-Semitic drivel?
kishbass 10 months ago
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@kishbass white people dont like anybody
hcgbk 9 months ago
@saintanarchy3 Yeah pretty Kosher huh....smh
mrtundra45 10 months ago
Dont U all See that all (blacks,Whites,Hispanics) R being put against each other via ThE FULLY CONTROLLED JEW MASS MEDIA ??
This is how they divide the people making them fight among each other while the Elite (JEWS) rob your country blind ??
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Who really controls U sheep and just how do they do it ??
watch on youtube "THE ZIONIST MATRIX POWER"
How do they divide the people ??
watch on youtube? "HOW ZIONISTS DIVIDE AND CONQUER"
wake up people, there isnt much time left
de225226 10 months ago 6
@de225226 you contradicted yourself. You said that they want to divide us, when we are already divided. You just subconsciously want to keep the things the way they are. Our communities are divided, schools are divided, they are not segregated. Whites on an avg live in "areas" that are better. I live in philadelphia, pop city right? Growing up whites lived around, but they all got up and left, due to inheritance which blacks don't have they have wealth and were able to move to better areas
JayJ004 7 months ago 2
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Tim is a Jew pretending to Be White only to stir up hate+violence between Whties vs Blacks. In LA JEWS put Blacks vs Mexicans as the race war is happening now+in jails
Jews fully control America/Europe+they are out to destroy USA. Here is Proof of how they do it.
Watch on youtube "THE ZIONIST MATRIX POWER"
FACT- 98% of the slave trade was dominated by Jews, Less then 2% of whites profited or owned slaves, but they try to put all blame on whites.
watch "THE SHOCKING JEWISH ROLE OF SLAVERY"
de225226 10 months ago 16
@de225226 they both look white to me. jews are only different when it comes to religion. all of you lock your car doors when you see black people.
hcgbk 9 months ago
@de225226 they both look white to me. jews are only different when it comes to religion. all of you lock your car doors when you see black people. can i get 14 thumbs up for that?
hcgbk 9 months ago
@de225226 deep in your heart you must realize what you say is false.
yovtobe 9 months ago
@de225226 if 98% slavery was ran by jews then, its majority of whites that ran the slave trade. Because according to whites who usually openly say they hate jews are from the south. If you hate jews so much then why def you wouldn't have hate for blacks. You have hate for the Muslims as well.
JayJ004 7 months ago
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sesostres 6 months ago
@SLAM234
Like somehow, socialism means progress and that it can't really be stopped because with due time it gets stronger and stronger... In fact, in these times, my point makes the most sense that it could ever make.
aliox326 10 months ago
@SLAM234
Actually... NO WE DON'T the flaw is simply that you make it look like we do. So imagine europe had a giant 30 mile wall built around it and no one could pass or enter this wall. Would Europe just instantly dissapear?
No it wouldn't. That's because white countries don't REALLY NEED diversity, it's just an added extra thing that's pushed in by people like tim wise. It doesn't matter what year it is... you're acting like just because its 2011, my point is somehow invalid.
aliox326 10 months ago
@aliox326
But the issues lies in the fact that diversity has brought nothing but destruction/problems to any country that it has affected.
aliox326 10 months ago
@SLAM234
Why do we "HAVE" to deal with each other? Why would seperation be bad if it did GOOD both ways?
Do you not see the flaw in your argument?
aliox326 10 months ago
Tim Wise is full of BS
rodrigrap 11 months ago
TIM WISE IS AN ANTI WHITE JEW!!! FUCK TIM WISE!!!
aaronbrent84 11 months ago 2
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pdnamightyriver1 11 months ago
Jareds whole theory cracks after the colonial refrence Wise gives, which is in fact the core of current class structure, and demonstrates the moment when the out group was established by the rich. It serves the same purpose today, but the fact being brought to light at this point in time is the same as it was at the time the class system was created. The rich are fucking the 98% over, and they will turn on the rich if they dont turn on each other first. Thus, the racial divide is cultivated.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL What have the african countries produced after more than 60 years of independence ?
More genocide ?
Is that real enough for you ?
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo produced? interesting question... what have the european countries produced recently?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL ahhh ,that would be the language you are using now ,internet ,computer ,youtube !
But let's stay real ;-)
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Ahhh.. so we're simply using steps in line with the natural course of progression to validate people of similar skin tones? So for example, Steve Jobs, founder of Apple validates every white man on the face of the planet? lol Fair enough, Then all blacks are validated by John Henry Thompson. Who invented Lingo. Google it before asking me what it is, or who he is.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,for example the achievement of the west validates Culture of the Collective ,which is not found found in collective societies of Africa or Middle East. The madness of diversity has reached to such a severe level that Jan Ernst Matzeliger is celebrated but a far more important person Thomas Edison whose birthday falls on the same day ,is ignored because he was a white person .The person who pointed out this discrimination is being investigated for "hate crime "
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Wait a minute, now your saying in terms of culture, the collective achievements are a testament to them? So then its fair to say that because of the numerous achievements made in the US, the only country celebrated in terms of its diversity is able to do so only because of its multiculturalism? Ahh.. that makes sense, cause it can be noted that Greenland is not noted for its technological achievements. Which surely it would be if white society was the key to advancement right?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,it's fair to say that till the 70's immigration to U.S was unicultural ,coming from europe which had more or less similar charcteristic as a part of a homogenous western identity.Diversity & multiculturalism was foced upon in the U.S ,celebrated by P.C ,liberal marxist nexus including some jews like Tim wise ,owing their allegiance to ethno-politics of israel while despising the same in U.S.
Scandinavian counties ARE noted for their HDI .
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo To argue achievement in relation to ethnicity, while disregarding the various other factors that attribute to advancement or decline is in itself truly ignorant. At one point in time, all great civilizations were at the tip of what we call "modern". This holds true from Africa, to the Mayans. The only constant is that since the start of western civilization, all attempts have been made to sever connections between past and present. Notice that ?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL No,I am not disregarding ,infact I am calling attention to the same digressing factors & calling for their reform ,which is exactly what Jared Taylor ,Peter Brimelow & Pat Buchanan are doing while citing black crime rates .But these good people are called racist by someone like Tim Wise who sells lies like a crack dealer to emotionally exploit the black/hispanic/asian community.
Before you Notice it ,you will be shipped out to Iran to fight an enemy ,not a threat to you .
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo The flaw in Jared Taylors crime rant is that he relates crimes of poverty to genetic composition. (which in reality, is outrageous since dna among humans is indistinguishable) He relates violent crime to blacks, when less than 100 years ago, prior to bank fraud,embezzelment etc, whites were cutting throats, mugging and commiting the very same and in fact more horrific crimes that Taylor now attributes to blacks.
Its utter bullshit lol.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL And 100 years later ,blacks are still cutting throats & mugging while African countries are hotbed of rape ,brutality & corruption.Maybe not about DNA ,(however there is the psysiological explanation in "muscle twitch " which makes blacks faster than whites) ,what jared is opposing is affirmative action & placing the best person for the job.You don't have affirmative action in sports ,do you ?
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo 100 years later blacks are still cutting throats mugging, true indeeed. I suppose that level of crime will persist until a black economy is fully functional and self supportive. This would lead to increased education and opportunities. Then the amount of violence needed in a particular crime will subside. When the same criminal has the knowledge of fraud embezzelment, S&L scams and the opportunity to commit them arrives, it will put it in perspective.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL I am not supporting wall street bankers & I want them to be punished ,but it seems you see this in racial perspective ,employment in those banks were open for blacks too ,so your balancing argument is nullified here.
After 9/11 someone asked brimelow about it's cause to which he answered "It's the immigration,stupid" .Had we banned immigration from unstable islamic countries then ,trillions in war lost & millions won't be dead today.That's all I want.
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Another flaw in the violent gene theory is Russia. look at russia today, and the behavior of the have nots. The criminal system there is FILLED to the brim with murderers, rapists, thieves, you name it. I was watching a documentary just yesterday about the kids there. Most are hardened criminals by age 13. Is this a genetic trait? Or is it logical to assume it has more to do with frustration, education, and lack of opportunities for advancement in broad terms?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@aynaristo Re: shipped to Iran, I agree 100% that a globalist agenda is using the US military to enforce its will. But that has little to do with jaylor and his crowd. If a Black speaker was to cite skin tones in regards to the taking of life in mass, and relating whites to Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the WW2 era players, would he be wrong? Or more specific, what about child molestation demographics? Which cant in any way be linked to economic standing, but more to genetic pre-disposition?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@aynaristo And re: Matzelinger, thats not a very good example. Mostly because everybody knows who Edison is, and to say he's brushed aside in history to be replaced with a black inventor is sheer foolishness. You need to be a bit more realistic in your debate with me please.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL I have told you the fact regarding a certain university & it's P.C ,Diversity enforcing police.
But let's keep it real ,what factors have caused genocide in Darfur ? Was it not the ethnic/religious divide between Arab muslims & African native pagans ?In Asia ,Sri Lanka ,immigrant Tamils & native Sinhalese ,Christian Serbs & Muslim croatians .None of them are celebrating diversity .
Jus' keepin it real :-)
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo The conflict in darfur, should in fact be negated in this debate as its participants were in opposition over religious beliefs, not skin tones. The fact that brawls dont break out among different ethnicities at a sunday church service should demonstate this easily. Religion is a dangerous thing. And the fact that regardless of ethnicity, crime rates worldwide are always higher in lower income areas should expose the frail pin that Taylors theory clings to for legitimacy.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL There is a silly attempt on the part of blacks especially the members of nation of islam ,to negate 400,000 people killed in darfur.you need to check again !It was brown vs black skin tones.
There is already a civil war of sorts going between blacks & hispanics in U.S ,And you forgot to mention what caused poverty in the first place ?
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo The cause of poverty is a whole seperate issue. The time following the US reconstruction period for example saw a higher percentage of skilled black labor than whites. What that led to was unions, and black labor being chased of jobsites etc. This is all well documented, but the point is not to place blame or neglect the mistakes of those in the past that led to the present situation. Thats pretty much Taylors bit, to say the result is simply its own problem. Simply not true.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL Isn't it ironic that blacks majoritatively vote for democratic party which represents those very same unions?This is perpetuating the circle of poverty.My aim is not to insult your community or you ,what I want is an end to affirmative action & forced diversity in order to place the best people on the best job.
End to wars & global aid (3 bn to Israel & 6bn to M/E for israel)annually,for this to happen the black community must not be seduced by tim/rahm/olby & maddow.
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Well..IMO, the entire democratic/republican party idea is a fraud. As it exists today anyways. Both sides appeal to all people in some form, its the seperation of common needs/wants/desires. What the parties say on the label, and what they actually contain are polar opposites. Both parties are controlled by the same people, so to buy into the system is quite silly. Its the key to elite control. keep changing and blaming public faces, not those in control. Its foolish.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@aynaristo Re: ending affirmative action lol.. shiit. Think about that for a minute. When you support a guy who preaches that blacks are simply not as smart as whites, then talk about the best people on the best jobs.. It just says "an all white work force" Cause the population dictates for every black applicant, there are 10 whites. ALL of whom would be better for the job given the current stereotype Jared pushes. The stereotype is very strong. Its the image that pops in ur head instantly.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL No ,that's not what jared said ,let's keep it real ,what he said was that diversity through affirmative action should not be forced when some applicants are not smart enough for the job .The stereotype is not important for any private sector employer who is looking to maximise his profits ,not practice apartheid.
So your speculation is biased & totaly unfounded
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo No, whats unfounded is Jareds speculation that the applicant wasn't smart enough for the job. Thats the whole point. He and those like him create this fantasy world where retarded blacks are just walking into these jobs without having the skills to perform them. Like seriously, you apply for a position you know you can fill, not one your resume cant support. This whole image of a lab-tech polishing his gold teeth while some white MIT grad got denied is biased and unfounded.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL In 07, Adversity net examined the racial hiring practices of Washington’s Executive Departments and Independent Agencies, & found them to overfill the diversity quota Controlled Substance Ordering System, the Government Printing Office, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, overhire Blacks at 800, 500, and 400 % respectively. NASA, overhires Blacks at a clip of 50 %Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are 50% black
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo OK, now take those numbers and head over to wiki under " equality in pay rates" or "rate of pay by ethnicity" It may also have something to do with blacks being more devoted to serious positions, or low rate of workplace violence, who knows lol.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL I didn't get you
One possible reason could be safety of government jobs with ludicrous benifits ,lol
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo In the private sector, id be willing to bet any black applicant going for the job more than likely has his shit together, and is more than capable of doing the job. Its getting foolish almost. I'd love to debate with you, but as is usually the case i end up wasting time trying to illicit a logical dialogue with somebody who clings to racism as a means of validation. If you need to prove something as bad as Jared does, it usually means you're trying to prove it to yourself. Thats Real
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL Thanks for the psychoanalysis ,but I think you have nothing to say in light of the facts that blacks are heavily employed in public sector jobs & your sterotyping bogeyman doesnot apply.
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo blacks have historically held large amounts of jobs in the public sector, or service industry if you will.
Bus drivers, airport workers, the DMV, transit departments, etc. Whats your point? Those are also the jobs that end up getting canned just shy of retirement or pensions.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@aynaristo The most illogical things seem logical when a stereotype is the mental backdrop for the info. Asians on average possess a brain mass larger than europeans and have shown to have a faster synapsis between neurons in MRI's. Does this mean they are superior to whites?
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL Asians have shown better PISA results & if anyone should be considered for immigration it should be them not muslims from Libya ! Jared has accepted these results .
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo EXACTLY!!! see! that whole line i stated about asians was complete BULLSHIT! But against the stereotype backdrop of the gifted asian it made sense to you, just like Jareds nonsense does. I live in HK, Japan prior to this,and can tell you without a DOUBT, China is full of people who dont understand half the shit that surrounds them. There is no shortage of idiots in Asia my friend. Access to education and family support from the start create desirables, not genetics.
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
@ThisPageStaysREAL Yup ! I agree on this 100%
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo And remember, lets stay REAL ;-)
ThisPageStaysREAL 11 months ago
Anyone arguing w/ Infidel guy about who won this debate is wasting breath. Contrary to whatever logic he uses to favor Wise as the winner, the reason why he disagrees with Taylor is much simpler. Wise promotes the further extortion ( affirmative action,reparations) of whites and Taylor opposes these handouts. Wise sides with blacks. Infidel Guy is black. Thus INFIDEL GUY sides with Wise. No matter what he says to the contrary, we know this to be true.
kakonis 11 months ago 3
Jared Taylor takes factual information about the state of the world and draws a conclusion about the causation of that state. Tim wise in turn presents factual information that provide direct contradiction to the line of reason on which Jared Taylor's conclusion rests, thereby demonstrating that the conclusion is in direct contradiction with fact, and therefore CANNOT be factual. If you are unable to follow this explanation, you are also unable to see why Tim Wise's argument is more reasonable
cdbaxte 11 months ago
@cdbaxte Unfortunately all that you have said is an opinion ,begging everyone to see Uncle Tim's argument as being reasonable all the while you have done nothing to prove it's so.
How about rephrasing your words to actually form an opinion.
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo lmao!!!! Ok. Let me quote you. "Unfortunately all that you have said is an opinion"/"How about rephrasing your words to actually form an opinion" How did you contradict yourself in the space of TWO sentences? That is amazingly hilarious my friend! Also, let me enlighten you to the fact that the point of debate is to dismiss opinions and beliefs that are found to be illogical or irrational. If you disagree with my comment, feel free to point out its logical fallacy :-)
cdbaxte 11 months ago
@cdbaxte You should have read more --->"an opinion ,---begging everyone to see Uncle Tim's argument as being reasonable all the while you have done nothing to prove it's so"
I see you have trouble reading complete sentences ,LMAO !
It is indeed very hilarious that neither in your earlier comment nor in this one ,you have managed to either prove or disapprove any of Taylor or wise's comments.
Feel free to do so
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Ok! last attempt... before I can even begin to comment on the video, you must understand your own self contradiction. You said that all I have formed is an opinion. You later suggest that I should rephrase my words to form an opinion, implying that I did not form an opinion. If I did form an opinion, then why would it be necessary to rephrase my words in order to form one? And on proof... why don't you in your vast intelligence provide me a way to prove or disprove an argument?
cdbaxte 11 months ago
@cdbaxte What giving up already ? Both you & @Raybanmonster have nothing to say ,you cannot argue on one single point that Jared has said ,you cannot find one single argument that either Wise or Jared has said that is debatable but both of you somehow came to the conclusion that he was wrong.
Is it so hard ?Let's try again ,how is Uncle Tim's argument more reasonable ,based on what facts have you reached this conclusion?
aynaristo 11 months ago
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Multiculturalism and Diversity are Zionist tools used to destroy White countries and White countries only. It's designed to achieve the ultimate goal of White genocide. Don't believe me? Watch this video where one of these disgusting Zionists lets the cat out of the bag:
watch?v=n9DBmP86vAM
Why are only White countries targeted for Multiculturalism? Why not African, Asian, Latin American countries? Enough already! Stand up and speak the truth.
Multiculturalism = Anti-White.....period.
ClutchFan1971 11 months ago
Uncle Tim had nothing to say ,he was bluffing & trying to mask his weak arguments by saying a lot of irrelevant stuff .
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo =What planet are you on? Did you not understand what was being said?
Raybanmonster 11 months ago
@Raybanmonster I have found that you zombies are unable to form an opinion ,so why don't you tell me in your own words what was being said .
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo Id rather leave you swimming in your own ignorance and racist bigotry. That is punishment for you enough regardless of your classless use of racial insults you may want to use to make yourself feel better.
Raybanmonster 11 months ago
@Raybanmonster Again more hysteria & a peevish attempt to run away from the debate.
aynaristo 11 months ago
@aynaristo No one cares when you are racist. You have been given the gift of life and look at what you are spending your time doing as if somehow a black guy has stolen your life from you. You dont own even your daughters sexual rights let alone one white woman you have never met Im afraid. You have issues, or next youll be spending your time complaining to bored people that you hate big trees, snails Roses or Daffodils.. pointless.. they exist get over it, and get on with your life
Raybanmonster 11 months ago
@Raybanmonster I am enjoying myself ,at this very moment ,thank you.
I have nothing against black people but the fact remains that Jared was right in his stand against racial diversity,it's not a unifying factor ,it's divisive as it creates multiple loyalties in the body politic.With mass immigration in U.S & the west ,more cleavages will germinate ,there is already a civil war of sorts going on between blacks & hispanics
You listen to this guy ,he will own you for zionist purposes !!
aynaristo 11 months ago
Its not surprising that all of the people on this video that think Jared "won" this debate, have white supremacist content on their channels
hahahaha , typical.
BlacknesUnforgivable 1 year ago
Taylor started right in with a completely idiotic proposition. I have the perfect example, because I live here: New York City. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world and one of the safest large cities in the country.
rbw6969 1 year ago
Tim Wise is such a cunt. JARED TAYLOR = <3
KumarZimmerman08 1 year ago
Currently in N. Carolina, Jared Taylor and a group of Peaceful White Nationalists have been blocked by the NAACP, Jewish Defense League and The Black Mayor from having the Renaissance convention, a large white gathering. White people are being prevented from uniting in the most peaceful and respectful way by the Jews and the Black politicians this is unconstitutional. We are losing our civil rights in our own land to the minorities we protect and empower
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prettycelticwarrior 1 year ago
@SLAM234 white working class people are being discriminated against in the USA and are not being treated equally. we are expected to embrace diversity, but the people who come here are not embracing our culture.
a working class white man today is denied access to college in the USA to a black man even if the white person is socioeconomically deserving and academically superior. the black person, minority or immigrant is selected based on race alone by laws we whites have created.
prettycelticwarrior 1 year ago
@SLAM234
no, we are the same species, not all the same people.
Polar Bears are not the same as Grizzlies or Black Bears(and we don't consider them to be the same), it is the same thing with humans, humans are supposed to be a rainbow, not a terrible mess of a puddle composed of a bunch of different colors.
You have yet to prove how I am inciting any racism., and you can't prove it.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 I have already explained why this can't work.If you love yourself and your people, then you will understand that you yourself are connected to your people through your own skin color, therefore you will not appreciate other cultures as much and you will seek to be with your people all or most of the time(which is what babies automatically do btw).Just because you go and hug a person who is a different race, doesn't mean who can't hug a person like you HARDER and tighter.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234
did you see the CNBC special on the Harlem Globetrotters last year?
It is obvious that they created the black supremacy viewpoint in sports and social circles by defeating the national champions, and pushed it further with their actual act making a joke of an all white team that traveled with them every single time, obviously it wasn't really their fault it was multiculturalism's fault.
btw, it is now impossible for schools to support most boy's sports besides basketball and football.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234
did you see the CNBC special on the Harlem Globetrotters last year?
It is obvious that they created the black supremacy viewpoint in sports and social circles by defeating the national champions, and pushed it further with their actual act making a joke of an all white team that traveled with them every single time, obviously it wasn't really their fault it was multiculturalism's fault.
btw, it is now impossible for schools to support most boy's sports besides basketball and football.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 that wasn't what I was referring to when I mentioned basketball.
The Harlem globetrotters shouldn't have been a symbol of black superiority, but because we are a multicultural nation, blacks and whites are ALWAYS compared on a racial level and therefore instead of great basketball players being examples for both white and black kids, they became the superior race of human to play basketball to everyone in America and white kids just stopped playing basketball altogether.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 Even if everyone agreed politically for the most part, they will never agree that everyone is equal, NO ONE believes that.Even if white people weren't thought of as being the symbol for anti diversity, we would still have stupid shit like 'white man can't jump' which will recreate the same kind of anti white culture.
Instead of people thinking blacks were great at basketball and other things, they thought they were automatically BETTER than whites. All kinds of people.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 How am I promoting white supremacy?
Black people love themselves and have a strong relationship with both their close and fairly distant family, all I am doing is promoting that more family oriented thinking should be in white families, it isn't now because essentially anyone beyond 1st cousin doesn't exist in a white family.
That has to change, white people have to stay together and stick up for each other.
and also you don't get it, I don't just want white people, I want nationalities
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234
You can't have it both ways, either whites will love themselves and therefore seek to be around themselves only, or they will hate themselves and seek to eliminate themselves.
Proud whites will even hug black people and kiss them on the cheek if they are secure in their survival as a sign of friendship, but they still won't want to live with you or other blacks instead of white people or procreate with you.
Nationalist nations can still be peaceful to other nations if it is mutual.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 it doesn't matter.
Laws will either speed up or slow down the destruction of European cultures, because eventually the immigrants will be the majority of the youth and then when that happens the culture changes until the natives have more children than the immigrants(which has little to no chance of happening), or it doesn't change and that culture is permanently dead.
They have to stop promoting multiculturalism altogether and start promoting pro white atmospheres to increase births.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234 you can't change the fact that if white people are the ones who created the culture of the country that is being invaded by millions of foreigners, then they are the ones who will lose their culture in favor of the invaders, and the invaders will then marginalize white people.
Immigrants ALWAYS have higher birth rate and therefore will ALWAYS dominate the culture of the country they are running to, therefore the native culture is replaced and destroyed as well as the natives themselves.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234
as I said, that is the way multiculturalism is.
If you are in a white majority nation, multiculturalism will ALWAYS be anti white.
In places like Japan, Korea and South Africa where multiculturalism is indeed destroying the native population(despite the fact we don't hear about that), whites are actually benefiting from multiculturalism quite a bit, little by little, as well as all other non natives in those countries.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
@SLAM234
he is simply a multiculturalist, multiculturalism causes racism every time.
Racial diversity has no benefits and more negatives than you could possibly imagine.
White and black people don't hate each other naturally, multiculturalism was put into place with the assumption that we do in fact hate each other and must be forced to learn about each other, that is why it fails every time.
If I want to learn about African people, I will go to Africa or specifically talk to an African.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
man the wise dude is not wise and he rambles on about nothing
allenco65 1 year ago
The only time white people like diversity is during sex and slavery. Now that the slaves are free they want us to simply disappear. Lets talk facts whites are known to wipe out entire Countries ask the Native American.
EandA23 1 year ago
People who don't think critically have been taken down the path of gradualism to accept things their people never would have. Abortion, socialism, unnecessary wars against our own kin, banking system, most media, and education controlled by aggressive leftists whose interests are opposed to them of the founding peoples of these United States, etc. Fact is, most folks are most comfortable with their own kind. This is self-evident. Tim Wise is a troublemaker, as our his fellow tribesmen.
Fersomling 1 year ago
@101johngalt Really? If that's true, he's my soulmate.
buzzin1975 1 year ago
Wise is a troublemaker, stirring up stuff between groups. It is the old divide-and-conquer, and it is just as effective today as in the past.
Hateful creeps like him are arrogant and eventually go too far and then get slapped down.
I'm sure some good ol' boys will straighten him out eventually.
And the blacks see through this stuff, too. They know that these people are troublemakers and shit-disturbers.
Fersomling 1 year ago
@Fersomling I agree with your statement that "blacks see through this stuff too".
Blacks are far more likely to respect Jared Taylor who is a "straight up" white man who defends his people than a two-faced weasel like Tim Wise who would throw his own grandmother under a bus if it provided him with a $5,000 speaking engagement.
Blacks don't respect people who kiss their ass.
utube9000 1 year ago
@utube9000 : Right. I do not know much about Black studies, but I want to get into it. Knowledge is a good thing, of course.
To paraphrase, 'the price of freedom and peace is eternal vigilance and wisdom. We have to watch the troublemakers and shit-disturbers and neutralize their negativity as early as possible.
Having read Kevin MacDonald's works, my eyes are now wide open to active troublemakers.
We must join the the fight for the minds and hearts of good people everywhere.
Fersomling 1 year ago
“And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.
Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.
Because you’re on the endangered list.And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.
Who said this? TIM WISE DID!! He's an ANTI-WHITE PEICE OF SHIT!!
ZirnitraRadegast 1 year ago
Most crimes are committed on ones on race...White corporate criminals bilk each others out of millions via Wall street scams etc, destroying families . It's dog eat dog ...Serial Killers victims are white, with the exception of Dahmer ...Blacks kill and steal more from each other. I'm black and more likely to die at the hands of a black person....Tim Wise had this in the bag from the word go
gmccall22 1 year ago
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Because not everyone is part of the problem, we shouldn't lump them into the same category based on their race. We should prosocute offenders who break laws, not prejudge people who have not yet offended. --This point is the heart of what makes racism wrong and where most racists will show their "true colors" and admit that they really don't care, they just want to kill/remove/marginalize blacks, hispanics, whites, etc. even if there was no crime or race tension.
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wilddrawfour 1 year ago
The fact that more violence occurs within racial groups as opposed to interracially is proof of how people naturally segregate themselves.
Because most violence occurs within families and peer groups.
Which means the majority of people are still marrying within their own race and forming friendships with people of their own race.
Sorry Timothy the vast majority of non-Jewish Whites, think you should stuff your diversity up your ass.
VikingTerror616 1 year ago 4
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Jared Taylor was the only one citing facts, while Wise was constantly avoiding them, instead, appealing to one-sided historical perspectives which most people have come to accept through constant indoctrination in mainstream public schools and academia. Little wonder why the anti-racists would agree with Wise, since they have not been given sufficient education about the opposing viewpoint to be able to decide for themselves. This is why Jared Taylor won the argument, if I had to choose.
TheWNMan 1 year ago 13
I disagree. I agreed with Wise on things, and agreed with Taylor on things, but I think Wise not only outclassed Taylor, but pretty much refuted everything Taylor said. Taylor hardly responded to Wise and just jumped to another point. Taylor repeated himself numerous times too. Wise ran circles around him, and I don’t even agree with many things he said. Also, the say that “sociological arguments are invalid” is so absurd that I can’t even respond to it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Yes, I know you can't respond to it. :)
TheWNMan 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I do not trust anything Tim Wise says, he is a Communist Jew, and has purposely supported anti-white genocide.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
@LordMalice6d9
I'm sorry, I cannot take comments like that even remotely serious.
AntonBatey 1 year ago 5
Is Tim Wise Jewish? Yes. Is he a communist? He is certainly a collectivist and advocate of "enforced equality." Has he promoted white genocide? In a manner yes. He recently suggested that the death of white people is a positive development in the road towards "racial equality".
So, although coarsely phrased, calling Tim Wise a "Communist Jew who purposely supports white genocide" is actually not an unreasonable statement.
utube9000 1 year ago 4
@AntonBatey Tim Wise is cultural Marxist, anti-white Jewish extremist. take it the way you want it, but it's true.
HomogeneousEurope 1 year ago
@HomogeneousEurope
Then I suppose Jared Taylor is a fascist, racist white fanatic.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Racism is a Marxist construct, it doesn't exist. it is only used as a scapegoat to destroy white pride, identity and furthermore us. Nationalists, anti-immigration activists are all labeled racist, but only in white country's. You never hear anybody called anti-immigration activists in japan or Korea racist, only in white country is it used. fact, the world racism/racist was invented less than 80 years ago ironically.
HomogeneousEurope 1 year ago 2
@HomogeneousEurope Correct.
SpeedingStudent 1 year ago
@AntonBatey "Then I suppose Jared Taylor is a fascist, racist white fanatic." Why? Sounds like "tit-for-tat" logic to me.
Look up Tim Wise's "An open letter to the White right...". It's pure anti-white hate diatribe, no matter that later, he tried to back-peddle, and "explain it away".
You don't find Taylor saying/authoring anything even REMOTELY resembling a call for genocide, do you?
nameofthepen 1 year ago
@LordMalice6d9 I don't trust anything he says either, but not because of the BS you're spouting. He's a white sack of shit, and no non-white person should ever listen to a white piece of shit, even a self-loathing one.
buzzin1975 1 year ago
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@TheWNMan Clearly you are stupid!
nickLme 1 year ago
@TheWNMan Quoting statistics without any scientific or logical explanations behind them is what the more sophisticated Nazi scum do.
ipwnorcs 1 year ago
@TheWNMan
Did we even listen to the same debate? Or is it that you already decided before you listened to the discussion that Taylor "won" the argument?
Tim Wise is completely right. So-called "whites" have been in-fighting for thousands of years (like many other "races" have). This entire theory of "racial loyalty" and natural segregation is complete nonsense, and Tim Wise did a great job of refuting Taylor's anti-scientific rhetoric.
blahblahblahman 1 year ago
@blahblahblahman
if you had read my posts I have already defeated that argument using the same ideology as Taylor(despite him not actually saying it).
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
Sociological arguments are invalid. The leftwingers constantly harp on something that is an assumption, which is scientific methods are dubious. They cannot be proven scientifically. To automatically claim that race is not a valid taxonomy is to deny science; to deny science is to deny the facts and therefore the truth.
TheWNMan 1 year ago
Europe and America need to be completely multi-cultural. Thats the only way white racism and its pollution will end and the planet will be at peace.
HE006 1 year ago
feeling refreshed with optimism as other "whites" listen to Tim Wise and feel empowered to reveal the glass floor under these racist pseudo adults.
UserNameAlpha 1 year ago
Does Tim Wise ever shut up? All of his arguments are superficial.
shaudee67 1 year ago
@shaudee67 Agreed. They not even based on scientific evidence, just commonly "accepted" (by political force) opinions that are regurgitated in academia with no other perspective, presented.
TheWNMan 1 year ago
@TheWNMan There's a great article critiquing this debate on the Gene Expression website (gnxp DOT com) called "A Word to the Wise on Race". It's interesting and points out several of his inaccuracies and flaws. You should search for it, it's a good read.
shaudee67 1 year ago
@shaudee67 Thanks for the link.
TheWNMan 1 year ago
Taylor owned this moron lol.. Again I will mention I do not appreciate people that walk around with pants half down practicaly masturbating in front of our kids.
Braxful 1 year ago 2
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Anybody else notice that first Tim denied that race is real, then he admitted it is?
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
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OdinCalls14 1 year ago
It's hard to argue with retards
bixxby 1 year ago
Tim Wise got his shit rocked.
UserUK201 1 year ago 11
@UserUK201
Hardly. Taylor painted himself into a corner and then wise pointed out the incessant wars between white countries over the centuries.
Taylor isn't a nutzi, though, so at least he didn't blame teh Jooz for all the wars.
9830sct 1 year ago
@9830sct "incessant wars between white countries over the centuries." That validated Taylors point regarding how people group with each other and how thats a source of conflict. only an idiot like wise or you would fail to see this.
UserUK201 1 year ago
@UserUK201 Only a loser racist like yourself would think so.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@jumpoutatree Anyone with a normal 100 IQ would think so.
UserUK201 1 year ago
@UserUK201 Only 100?? LOL that explains it, I guess...
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@jumpoutatree 100 is average, clearly you are below this since you clearly lack basic reading comprehension skills. this is no reference to my own of course, because otherwise I wouldn't be a member of mensa.
UserUK201 1 year ago
@UserUK201 It's called sarcasm, bro... I don't think 'Mensa members' would need to be told that. LOL 'Mensa member'. You're completely full of shit, but we both knew that already.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@UserUK201
did you actually listen to the show?
UserNameAlpha 1 year ago
@UserUK201 He's used to it. I think he might be a sodomite.
SpeedingStudent 1 year ago
@UserUK201
What? Tim Wise tore Taylor a new asshole. Taylor sounded uneducated and presented zero scientific facts.
blahblahblahman 1 year ago
I especially liked how Jared Taylor is very concise while Tim Wise beats around the bush for quite some time before getting any point across.
He said that people need to be "reoriented", which is essentially like saying people need to be molded. We need to be "recreated" into a better thing than nature has allowed for; this is wishful thinking at the evst best.
UllrePallson 1 year ago
praise Stalin!!!!!!
angryscowl 1 year ago
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No one is flooding Japan with Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".
No one is flooding Africa with Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".
Only citizens of White/European Countries like the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all the countries in Europe are having uncontrolled immigration forced on them.
This "assimilation" or blending is nothing more than an attempt to wipe out the White race. It’s genocide.
They aren't anti-racists, they're anti-White.
yeehaw1451 1 year ago 11
@yeehaw1451
anti-racists=anti-white?
did some little boy not get the toy he wanted from momma?
you're not limiting me with your ultimatums.
sk8bow 1 year ago
@sk8bow
We are stripping away all your BS and acknowledging that your goal is White Genocide.
Because:
No one is flooding Japan with Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".
No one is flooding Africa with Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".
Only citizens of White/European Countries are having uncontrolled immigration forced on them.
This "assimilation" or blending is nothing more than an attempt to wipe out the White race. It’s genocide.
Do you deny it?
yeehaw1451 1 year ago
@yeehaw1451
i'm not going to debate someone who thinks his race is better than other races. that's idiotic to even claim that let alone waste their time thinking it.
sk8bow 1 year ago
You cannot hide. We will expose you over and over. This is your goal:
No one is flooding Japan with Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".
No one is flooding Africa with Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".
Only citizens of White/European Countries are having uncontrolled immigration forced on them.
This "assimilation" or blending is nothing more than an attempt to wipe out the White race. It’s genocide.
They aren't anti-racists, they're anti-White.
yeehaw1451 1 year ago 3
@yeehaw1451
save the drama. if you don't want to mix then don't. it's easy as that.
if others want to mix, they will. it's that simple.
stop crying over something you have no control over.
i cannot hide because i choose not to. but by all means, you
should hide and never speak of your crazy views.
sk8bow 1 year ago
Tim wise owned that racist motherfucker
MrXfree57 1 year ago 3
@yeehaw1451 You sad clown, I see how you copied your own comment on to a different video. Why, because you thought it was a brilliant statement. LOL. It was pitiful reading it the first time, and now I come to look at this video, and I have to read it again, and it's still pitiful.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago