Salieri is MUCH MORE IMAGINATIVE than credit is given to him! 40 operas, chamber music, church music; I do believe Mozart was MUCH MORE INFLUENCED by Salieri than he admitted in his day. After all, he spent 6 ducats to buy a Salieri opera in 1780, an enormous sum for that day. Salieri's music is organic, and his logic is excellent. How there should be a complete, scholary critical edition of his complete works!
He was not the most imaginative composer, but he wasn´t bad either, and he managed to obtain a good position in the Viennese music life, - being a popular composer, getting to work with Mozart (briefly), being a well reputed teacher for Beethoven among others, - and later, as head of the best conservatoire in the city, teaching the young Schubert. Not bad.
@metteholm75 If he was unimaginative which composer was he copying? It sounds pretty unique to me.
He is not imaginative in the same way as Mozart, granted.
He does write in a peculiar and unfamiliar way, but it is unfamiliar because you are not familiar with his work and it is peculiar because it is imaginative.
The test, for me, is consistency of internal logic and range of expression, and this it passes with flying colors.
@DarkwingScooter Heh, I find it funny how these music 'experts' come to give their high-brow and superior-tone critiques of a composer who has not been raised by history into the status of a godly genius in the flesh. Indeed popularity seems to be the only true measure of worth in art for these people.
Thank you for defending this wonderful composer. :)
Salieri seems to lack a firm hand with which to guide his harmonic progressions. This movement tends to wander, unsure of its direction, and its resolutions seem to be achieved more by surprise than by design. It is no mystery to me why this concerto has not retained a place in the standard repertoire, but it is still worth hearing as a curiosity. Thank you for posting it.
@karlakor Again, when you say he lacks a firm hand hand with the progressions you are implying that at time the harmony follows its own internal logic (or indeed that of Salieri) rather than what you would like or expect.
If he goes I-V instead of I-IV could it not be because that is what he wanted? Is your inability to perceive the internal logic (which is rather different from that of Mozart but quite plain nevertheless) not a fault of your own perception rather than Salieri's technique?
Salieri is MUCH MORE IMAGINATIVE than credit is given to him! 40 operas, chamber music, church music; I do believe Mozart was MUCH MORE INFLUENCED by Salieri than he admitted in his day. After all, he spent 6 ducats to buy a Salieri opera in 1780, an enormous sum for that day. Salieri's music is organic, and his logic is excellent. How there should be a complete, scholary critical edition of his complete works!
VariationsOnNoTheme 3 months ago
Maybe he was not the best, but this is an awesome work.
xXxMySweetChannelxXx 7 months ago
thank you for upload. :)
thewolfsironheart1 9 months ago
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kkarlo12 1 year ago
He was not the most imaginative composer, but he wasn´t bad either, and he managed to obtain a good position in the Viennese music life, - being a popular composer, getting to work with Mozart (briefly), being a well reputed teacher for Beethoven among others, - and later, as head of the best conservatoire in the city, teaching the young Schubert. Not bad.
metteholm75 1 year ago
@metteholm75 If he was unimaginative which composer was he copying? It sounds pretty unique to me.
He is not imaginative in the same way as Mozart, granted.
He does write in a peculiar and unfamiliar way, but it is unfamiliar because you are not familiar with his work and it is peculiar because it is imaginative.
The test, for me, is consistency of internal logic and range of expression, and this it passes with flying colors.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter Heh, I find it funny how these music 'experts' come to give their high-brow and superior-tone critiques of a composer who has not been raised by history into the status of a godly genius in the flesh. Indeed popularity seems to be the only true measure of worth in art for these people.
Thank you for defending this wonderful composer. :)
Hyardacil 8 months ago
@metteholm75
How many of us can write concertos when we're 23 years old nowadays?
QinHuangAHK 5 months ago
@QinHuangAHK No one. And if we could, they would sound like crap.
Adri58 1 month ago
As a complete novice to classical music, I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
WokSz 1 year ago
Salieri seems to lack a firm hand with which to guide his harmonic progressions. This movement tends to wander, unsure of its direction, and its resolutions seem to be achieved more by surprise than by design. It is no mystery to me why this concerto has not retained a place in the standard repertoire, but it is still worth hearing as a curiosity. Thank you for posting it.
karlakor 1 year ago
@karlakor Again, when you say he lacks a firm hand hand with the progressions you are implying that at time the harmony follows its own internal logic (or indeed that of Salieri) rather than what you would like or expect.
If he goes I-V instead of I-IV could it not be because that is what he wanted? Is your inability to perceive the internal logic (which is rather different from that of Mozart but quite plain nevertheless) not a fault of your own perception rather than Salieri's technique?
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
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faleru 2 years ago
mi amo il mangiore veneziano: Antonio Saliere.
GGattuso1991 2 years ago
実に堂々としたピアノコンチェルトですね。とくに終楽章の中間部にあるモチーフは、後のフンメルやベートーヴェンを凌ぐ響きがあるようです。
ありがとうございました。
aozorasys 2 years ago