tis is stupid. having consensual sex with someone who's older than you is not sexual abuse . it might not necessarily be a smart thing to do considering she's 15(or 13 in the other vid) but it's NOT sexual abuse! not any more than her bonin a guy her own age is!
Sex abuse cover up at Planned Parenthood? What about all the sex abuse that is going on at the church? Investigate them and take those priest/pastors to jail! Oh no because they are against Planned Parenthood.
U know people keep saying thats rape...... but the girl says its cool cuz she wanted to do it...... so is that really rape and abuse? I don't get this at all.... cuz all i know is that thats illegal
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they tried pulling this shit at AJHS in 07-08, but OUR class didnt let that happen, we marched all over campus, we would come to school and just hang out on the property all day, no one could do anything, the only people in class was 20 nerds, 1 security gaurd, and a teacher lost thier jobs, use your rights people dont let them scare you into believeing you have none
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i believe this is a stupid video.... i am not some who disagrees with or agreees with abortion but ... confidentiality mean confidentiality... if plan parenthood where to tell.. the girl or not this one but other girls can turn around and sue them... these girls who really go to PP go for help and to do whats right for THEM... to bring a baby into this world will not only cause complication in their lives but i guarantee the baby wont have a good life either... think about it
The law states that its illegal for an adult to have sex with a girl this age. The law also states that anyone knowing of or suspecting such a situation MUST report it to authorities. The PP employee was clearly aware of the ages of the girl and man, and of the law, yet she did not report. It is not a matter of her descretion. The law states that she MUST report it. She did not, and that is breaking the law. Are you saying you think such lawless behavior is acceptable?
It's only illegal if the adult is a man.....if the adult is a woman then she is always excused. After 14, you are well aware of your sexual decisions. No point in the girl enjoying the sex at 14 then wanting to come back at 18 and press stupid charges. You think a boy can do that? He would be laughed at...please!
PREACH ON MY BROTHER... I agree with you 100%. When i was 20 my now wife was 16. we are now much older and have a child together. So Get rid of the bible thumpers and just let people llve there F#@*ing Lives
@rexx123456 So, if an adult grooms a child so that he/she believes it's okay to have sexual relations with that adult, the adult hasn't done anything wrong, huh?
@rexx123456 It has happened before. As far as being well aware of your sexual decisions at fourteen, I cannot speak for any but myself. I know that I myself was not mature enough to comprehend the implications or the gravity of that risk. I thought I was immortal. Death and sickness were very distant things that happened to distant people to whom I had only loose connections.
Also, I dont think its yours to say whether someone should be killed because he or she "wont have a good life." In this country, every person has the opportunity to be as successful or not as they choose, directly correlated to how much effort and initiative they take. Just because someone may not have been born into or brought up in ideal circumstances certainly does not mean that they should be killed! Pres Obama was born to an unwed teenage mother, but look how successful he has become.
There are few things as reprehensible, as slimey, as when fundies use the concept of child sexual abuse as an excuse for forcing their religious crap on the rest of society.
You don't give God's damn about children. You just use them as props to try to get control of our lives.
What does fundies (which is kinda a pejorative) have to do with this video? The group that did this Live Action is non-religious?
"You don't give God's damn about children."
Isn't that a bit harsh? The academic graduation rates of children in what would be labeled Christians homes is very good. Plus many of the biggest efforts to feed people around the world are Christian based so I do see your connection. Seems like you are trying to smear people which is pretty low.
Lila is inaccurate about PPH's violation of mandated reporting in CA. I am a mandated reporter and the rape of minors is at the discretion of the counseling service for women. If the victim is a minor who requests to have an abortion as a result of consensual or nonconsensual sex, parental consent is not required. This was also voted on recently. Client privilege protects the confidentiality of the victim. The law states that it is the discretion of PPH and the mental health counselor.
I have already told you that i agree with you that the woman in the video has broken the law. No i don't think that if you disagree with the law you should be able to to break it. Yes thw woman in the video is breaking the law which is not acceptable. What i'm only trying to say is that i disagree with the law of statuory rape that's all not with this video, because once again i realize that the woman is breaking the law, but one day i hope that no such law exsists that's all i'm saying.
ANd when it comes to the crime of a young boy and a older woman no PP doesn't invole the problem but the law does just like with a young girl and older boy and the law treats the same crime differently. The older woman is let off with a slap on the wrist usually probation however the older man is usally sent to prison (it differs state to state).
I already have formed a educated opinion, but like i said it really doesn't matter to the government until i'm 18. And i already said that yes PP needs to report the crime if it happens, that's clear we agree on that but what i was trying to say is that there should be no law on statutory rape. do you see where i'm going here?
And you have to understand that when a crime such as this happens alot of the time the man doesn't know that the girl is underage, she'll tell him she's 18 or 19. So he doesn't know he's commiting a crime until it's too late. And i also think if the law enforcment is going to come after this man they need to have evidence against him not just the girls word, she could totally be lying.
Wheels if i could do something about the law i would but seeing as i'm only 15 my opinions don't matter to the governement. And PP may not have to deal with the crime of a young boy and older woman having sex but it does happen ant hte governement turn their cheek because once again the law was designed to protect only one person the girl. And when i do become18 and when i can vote how many public officals are going do support "statutory rape"?
You cant vote at 15, no. But you can have the courage to think for yourself. You can form opinions based on what YOU think, what YOU have researched, and what seems logical and moral to YOU. You can decide not to choose your stance first and then accept the reasons behind it, but instead learn about the inside of the issue first and then form an educated opinion. If you do this (research objectively and take stances based on facts) your opinions will have impact no matter how old you are.
Again, as I explained, Planned Parenthood does not have to deal with the older woman/young boy situations because young boys do not come into PP for abortions. If some other health care provider was aware of a young boy being sexually abused by an older woman, the same law would apply, and that caregiver would be required to report. The same as the PP employee was required to report the situation in the video JUST because she was aware of it.
LILA ROSE IS A LIAR. this is entrapment, plain & simple. here's the bottom line: if you don't think abortion is a good idea, don't have one! but don't imagine you have the right to impose your views on the rest of us.
"Impose" one's views on the sanctity of life? I can hear you in the 19th century: "Don't impose your views on human dignity on me. Slavery is the owner's personal decision!" Open up your mind and heart, and no "imposing" of the truth will be necessary.
Yes the governement should interfere if a law is broken what i'm saying is there should be no law after the girl is about 13 because after that we're not stupid. statutory rape was only invented to protect young girls virginity nothing more. I don't hear anyone screaming about how a girl was violated by a boy her age. Not to mention that statutory rape has ben happening for forever back in the 16 and 17 hundreds girls got married to older men as young as 13.
1) If you dont agree with a law, then as a responsible American citizen, you do something about it, you don't break it. You elect public officials whose views align with yours, and who will legislate laws that you agree with. It's called the will of the people.
2) Its also a crime for an older woman to have sex with an underage boy. However, PP doesnt deal with those situations daily, because obviously an older woman doesnt send a young boy into PP for an abortion, does she?
I know that the girl is just as much to blame. I never said she wasn't. And yeah a older man can take advantage of a young woman but no more then a boy her own age could which happens all the time. i don't hear anyone screaming about that. And as for arresting the man i think the law needs more evidence they just take the girls word for it, she could totally be lying because she doesn't like him for whatever reason. But i think it really doesn't concern the government unless the girl complains.
It DOES concern the government becuase part of the government's job is to ensure that laws are properly enforced. The law is clearly being broken in this video.
Also, many times in these situations the young girls are manipulated, threatened, frightened, or tricked by their abusers into telling PP that their boyfriend is "good guy" so that the abuser does not get into trouble by the law. Thats WHY the law is in place - to protect young girls from the horror of sexual abuse.
That's nothing, in Marshall, Michigan the Marshall police officer with 14 rapes of little boys "that we know of" was never arrested. They use this officer as an example of their protection from the law.
Miley actually turned 16 last year so while having sex with this guy in many states would be stat rape, it would not be require to be reported to authorities. If she was 15, Arizona law would require that to be reported. I think Miley also said she was planning to save herself for marriage...at least that's her plan.
That's definitely a problem. Celebrities seem to think their hearts are invincible and they can live however they want with no internal consequences... then they end up like Britney.
It is perfectly clear from these undercover investigations that Planned Parenthood encourages minor girls to lie, and PP does not report to the proper state authorities cases of sexual abuse, namely rape, of minors, as required by law.
If this were a hospital, or any social service agency, such an institution would be under a major investigation.
But local and state authorities across the USA consistently ignore reports of flagrant violations of state statutes. One exception was in Indiana.
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Duh!! If the staff "immediately reported sex with underage girls", young women would stop coming to PP for help in their time of crisis. I commend the staff for confirming the sex was CONSENSUAL, that the potential abortion being considered is CONSENSUAL, and her trust and confidence is repeatedly assured so she will feel comfortable reporting nonconsensual rape and abuse.
Interesting you didn't show PP's staff response if you reported the sex or abortion being sought was NOT consensual.
Busylady--the reason that statutory laws are in place in the first place is to protect young girls from older men who may be able to manipulate them into sex with illusions of love and etc. Even if a young girl says it's "consensual", who's to know that she isn't being brainwashed or coerced into the sex by a man MUCH OLDER who just wants to use her? As someone who works with domestic violence victims regularly, I can tell you that many times, the abuse starts out psychological, so by the time
So by the time it turns physical, women's self-esteem and self-viewpoint has been so manipulated already by the abuser that she thinks she deserves everything she gets, and that it's all her fault. Tragically, it typically a LONNNGG time--and many instances of abuse--before a victim realizes that she is NOT at fault. Another thing about sexual/DV abuse is that it typically occurs with someone the victim cares about. So even if the sex wasn't consensual she may lie to protect him, or b/c he conv
statutory rape is a testy subject and no i'm not saying that what planned parenthood is doing is right because by the book it is against the law. but ya know i'm 15 and i'm not stupid enough to not know if a older man is trying to take advantage of me. and i don't think a older man can take advantage of me any more then a boy my own age could. so unless the girl comes out and says she said no then it's no big deal. to me anyway. i think this law was made to protect young girls virginity.
All 15 year old girls think they can't be manipulated, that 's why your the perfect candidate, you would be naive to the fact that it's actually happening in till it's to late.....Either that our you girl's no exactly what your doing & when its time to face consequences those actions you rather just lie & play the victim & shift all the blame so only the man gets in trouble... the bottom line is that its happening all the time, It's either one our the other!!
Whether or not the sex was consensual (or whether the girl said she was being raped), the law clearly states that an adult having sex with a 15yo is a felony. The law also states that anyone knowing of a case MUST report it. Its not a matter of discretion. That is the LAW. The PP employee was aware of this law and of the ages of the girl and man, yet she did not report. Thats breaking the law (deliberately covering up statutory rape) and those lawless actions arent acceptable!
"Obviously this girl said YES to sex and is not reporting abuse."
If you don't like the law then tell Arizona to change their laws. Planned Parenthood is criminally breaking state law. I guess that is cool with you.
So if a 10 year old says yes is that cool with you?
"And WHY is the film cut and edited???"
I don't know...I do know that this same group has a video on their website that is their whole investigation of a clinic. It's hecka long like 45 min and kinda boring for alot of it.
I don't think a debate on that subject is the point of this video.
The point of the video is to expose PP (who receives over 300 million of tax money each year) BLATANTLY breaking the law.
The law CLEARLY states that an adult/child sexual relationship is a felony, and that anyone knowing of a case MUST report it. The PP employee was aware of this law and of the ages of the girl and man, yet she did not report. She deliberately covered up statutory rape, and that is unacceptable!
The Planned Parenthood employee was giving health cousel to the girl, so whether or not she technically held the title of "counselor" at Planned Parenthood, the law is applicable to her.
I don't think so. Are you a lawyer? Let's try this: What if the janitor at Planned Parenthood gave health counsel to the girl? With your reasoning, the law would apply here too?
In your earlier post, you did not quote the law in its entirety:
The part you omitted is as follows:
For the purposes of this subsection, "person" means:
5. Any other person who has responsibility for the care or treatment of the minor.
The PP employee is representing Planned Parenthood, who, by giving advice and/or treatment to the girl, is assuming responsibility for her health and well being.
By my reasoning, the law would then be applicable to the staffer. I am not a lawyer.
I suppose it's possible this could apply. I just don't think it's certain. I think one could interpret #5 here more as a person in a caretaker's role.
My big question is why didn't they go for the counselor? It would have been a much more solid case if they had gotten the same advice from her. Or perhaps is it possible they did talk to the counselor, but maybe the counselor did not respond the same as the staffer? Who knows.
"My big question is why didn't they go for the counselor? "
No counselors were available at either location the girls went to.
Instead other Planned Parenthood staff answered questions and counseled the girls. If Planned Parenthood staff is going to act as counselors, they should probably be counselors. Why they allowed non-counselors to give counselor-like counsel seems to be poor management and bad health care.
Actually both men and women that are TRACKED over time will tell you and reveal the scars it leaves. It's not Good or Right and Always does HARM just like homosexual perversions always damage the actors of humanity.
The law is already there that requires sexual abuse of 15 years and younger to be reported. I don't know if this is so much of a crusade to change anything as it is to just have our current laws followed.
B. Sexual conduct with a minor who is under fifteen years of age is a class 2 felony and is punishable pursuant to section 13-705. Sexual conduct with a minor who is at least fifteen years of age is a class 6 felony.
"A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor, except if the failure to report involves a reportable offense, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony."
"4. "Reportable offense" means any of the following:
(a) Any offense listed in chapters 14 and 35.1 of this title or section 13-3506.01.
Reports shall be made immediately by telephone or in person and shall be followed by a written report within seventy-two hours."
But the video only shows staffers talking to the minors. And according to the Reportable Offense section of the law: 13-3620.
A. Any person who reasonably believes that a minor...
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For the purposes of this subsection, "person" means:
1. Any physician, physician's assistant, optometrist, dentist, osteopath, chiropractor, podiatrist, behavioral health professional, nurse, psychologist, counselor or social worker who develops the reasonable belief in the course of treating a patient.
It says "counselor" and these people seem to be giving private counsel to a patient. Do you know what the definition of a counselor is? Would Planned Parenthood really counsel girls with people who aren't counselors?
The thing I find most interesting in this video isn't that the employee didn't report, it is that the employee says that Planned Parenthood doesn't ask any questions. That this is their NORMAL procedures.
I agree that the staffers seem to be counseling her. But this does not make them a counselor. In fact, in the video, they are referring the minor to an actual counselor named "Misty"...who was not in the video, and from what I gather, they didn't even speak to.
Nevertheless, I agree, that it doesn't look good. It would lead people to believe that there is a possibility that the actual counselors may violate the law.
I agree...there may not be a solid legal case to go after this employee but there may be cause for their to be an investigation into PPs reporting procedures to ensure the right reforms, accountability, and training are in place so that the law is consistently followed.
Youre asking the wrong question. Abortion as it is today did not exist in Biblical times. There is only one conversation to have around abortion, when does Human life begin..
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you"
This is pretty inconclusive.How about a passage that is more direct:
Exodus
21:22 When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows: the one who hurt her shall be fined.
Clearly from this, the Bible states that an unborn child is NOT equal to a human life. Albeit, it is something, just not equal to a human life. Because the Bible later states as a punishment a life for a life. But for the death of an unborn, the punishment is a fine.
At the very least, in your own words :"for the death of the unborn, the punishment is a fine." At the very least, there is punishment. And yes, it is murder, sorry, even "involuntary manslaughter" has it's price.
There is no punishment (not even a fine) for the woman herself choosing to voluntarily miscarry (Bible speak). I can understand a punishment for an unintentional or accidental miscarriage, which is what the Bible speaks of. But the absence of voluntary miscarriage (abortion) is telling. Again, the idea that a zygote is equal to a human life is ridiculous and is baseless in the Bible.
Not everyone believes in god, so please spare us the sanctimonious rants you just sound completely insane.
If you are incapable of using your own brain and resort to quoting from an ancient,outdated work of fiction based on two thousand year old 'values' then please don't bother.
The only person who has the right to decide whether to have a child is the woman - no-one else!
A little word of advice...obtain a dictionary and look up the word 'atheist'! and while you're at it, check out the words 'sanctimony' and 'hypocrite'.
God was invented for the sole purpose of controlling people through fear and reward, you poor 'sucker'. Try using your own mind for a change instead of copying out rubbish from a work of fiction....you unimaginative sheep.
right on buddy, u tellem, maybe if more people thought the way we christians do, the world would be a better place, "sleepypoodle" is obviously a lost cause.
nice...why don't you study the religion you hate so much...You might find out how much of an idiot you are! The tanakh and bible are not some works of fiction. Everyone can tell that you aren't a scholar nor even close to it. people like you are just as bad as those who deny the holocaust...there is so much to back it up but yet people still deny it...
How was this violence?! You wanna talk about violence. Ok What about the children getting their brains sucked out and their skulls then crushed in by means of partial birth abortion. Is that not violence in your eyes? These babies or "fetuses" are not treated kindly, i'll tell you that much. Babies Under 6 months of development have their limbs chopped up and removed and babies smaller than that are burned by saline solution. That is violence, hun, exposing the truth isn't
How does this video incite violence? Sure I want Planned Parenthood to reform but I don't want anybody hurt. This video just shows what is actually happening.
I've been active in pro-life service for 25 years. I have NEVER met anyone who advocated violence. Pro-abortion people like to point to the very rare actions of a deranged few in order to (1) paint pro-life people as violent, and (2) change the subject. Anything to keep the focus off the fact that live babies are cut up, women of all ages are injured, the emotional scars last a lifetime, and it's all about the money for the abortion industry.
First!!! I don't think Youtube likes this video much so I will write while I can before they yank the film. I just wanted to thank you guys for your good work and persistence in protecting young women in this immoral wold.
Rape : forced to have sex against your will. Law aside, morally many would have few issues with the work of this clinic.
The right to privacy of the individual is certainly the more compelling moral right to protect...
elgar104 4 weeks ago
It does not matter if your 15 or 18 people have rights to confidentiality when anyone goes to a doctors office councling ect.. This video is dumb!
preatyreckless 1 month ago
tis is stupid. having consensual sex with someone who's older than you is not sexual abuse . it might not necessarily be a smart thing to do considering she's 15(or 13 in the other vid) but it's NOT sexual abuse! not any more than her bonin a guy her own age is!
brandilynnell 3 months ago
@brandilynnell The sexual abuse definition isn't our definition but defined as such by Arizona state law.
LiveActionFilms 3 months ago
Sex abuse cover up at Planned Parenthood? What about all the sex abuse that is going on at the church? Investigate them and take those priest/pastors to jail! Oh no because they are against Planned Parenthood.
terrible99 3 months ago
U know people keep saying thats rape...... but the girl says its cool cuz she wanted to do it...... so is that really rape and abuse? I don't get this at all.... cuz all i know is that thats illegal
Tinduong1 4 months ago
@Tinduong1 A 29 year old having sex with a 15 year old is sexual abuse & stat. rape whether it is wanted at the time or not under AZ law.
LiveActionFilms 4 months ago
GO LIVE ACTION!!!
missmellark1 6 months ago
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sexykatie90 8 months ago
So raping a minor is confidential? Is that what they call "protecting women's rights"?
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cloudburstlenepmhq 1 year ago
they tried pulling this shit at AJHS in 07-08, but OUR class didnt let that happen, we marched all over campus, we would come to school and just hang out on the property all day, no one could do anything, the only people in class was 20 nerds, 1 security gaurd, and a teacher lost thier jobs, use your rights people dont let them scare you into believeing you have none
dodgedart74 1 year ago
27. He's cool. No. He's a pervert. For all we know, he might be an undercover staffer for PP who seeks out and impregnates girls to refer to PP.
ANGELBLU2042 1 year ago
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i believe this is a stupid video.... i am not some who disagrees with or agreees with abortion but ... confidentiality mean confidentiality... if plan parenthood where to tell.. the girl or not this one but other girls can turn around and sue them... these girls who really go to PP go for help and to do whats right for THEM... to bring a baby into this world will not only cause complication in their lives but i guarantee the baby wont have a good life either... think about it
VOLCOMBITCH22 2 years ago
volcombitch22,
The law states that its illegal for an adult to have sex with a girl this age. The law also states that anyone knowing of or suspecting such a situation MUST report it to authorities. The PP employee was clearly aware of the ages of the girl and man, and of the law, yet she did not report. It is not a matter of her descretion. The law states that she MUST report it. She did not, and that is breaking the law. Are you saying you think such lawless behavior is acceptable?
wheels567 2 years ago 4
It's only illegal if the adult is a man.....if the adult is a woman then she is always excused. After 14, you are well aware of your sexual decisions. No point in the girl enjoying the sex at 14 then wanting to come back at 18 and press stupid charges. You think a boy can do that? He would be laughed at...please!
rexx123456 2 years ago
Get a life...statutory rape is NOT rape...it is just feminist jealousy law. Thank you.
rexx123456 2 years ago
@rexx123456
PREACH ON MY BROTHER... I agree with you 100%. When i was 20 my now wife was 16. we are now much older and have a child together. So Get rid of the bible thumpers and just let people llve there F#@*ing Lives
Zur1207 2 years ago
@rexx123456 So, if an adult grooms a child so that he/she believes it's okay to have sexual relations with that adult, the adult hasn't done anything wrong, huh?
thePlagueCat 1 year ago
@rexx123456 It has happened before. As far as being well aware of your sexual decisions at fourteen, I cannot speak for any but myself. I know that I myself was not mature enough to comprehend the implications or the gravity of that risk. I thought I was immortal. Death and sickness were very distant things that happened to distant people to whom I had only loose connections.
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Zur1207 2 years ago
Also, I dont think its yours to say whether someone should be killed because he or she "wont have a good life." In this country, every person has the opportunity to be as successful or not as they choose, directly correlated to how much effort and initiative they take. Just because someone may not have been born into or brought up in ideal circumstances certainly does not mean that they should be killed! Pres Obama was born to an unwed teenage mother, but look how successful he has become.
wheels567 2 years ago 18
So if a born baby isn't going to have a good life then we can kill the baby? That is the rational you are using is it not. I don't think that stands.
CIDaily 2 years ago 3
There are few things as reprehensible, as slimey, as when fundies use the concept of child sexual abuse as an excuse for forcing their religious crap on the rest of society.
You don't give God's damn about children. You just use them as props to try to get control of our lives.
If Jesus wept, it was because of "Christians".
witchtelus 2 years ago
What does fundies (which is kinda a pejorative) have to do with this video? The group that did this Live Action is non-religious?
"You don't give God's damn about children."
Isn't that a bit harsh? The academic graduation rates of children in what would be labeled Christians homes is very good. Plus many of the biggest efforts to feed people around the world are Christian based so I do see your connection. Seems like you are trying to smear people which is pretty low.
CIDaily 2 years ago 3
I think it's excellent that these clinics don't inform the authorities, their priority is to help these girls.
If the girls knew that their partner/boyfriend would be prosecuted then they would be too afraid to go to the clinics.
You have completely missed the point, these girls have not been raped at knifepoint they are consenting young adults.
I find this video very reassuring, the staff have put the girls' welfare first.
Teenagers will always have underage sex, realism before idealism.
sleepypoodle 2 years ago 4
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Lila is inaccurate about PPH's violation of mandated reporting in CA. I am a mandated reporter and the rape of minors is at the discretion of the counseling service for women. If the victim is a minor who requests to have an abortion as a result of consensual or nonconsensual sex, parental consent is not required. This was also voted on recently. Client privilege protects the confidentiality of the victim. The law states that it is the discretion of PPH and the mental health counselor.
pittsglo 2 years ago
I have already told you that i agree with you that the woman in the video has broken the law. No i don't think that if you disagree with the law you should be able to to break it. Yes thw woman in the video is breaking the law which is not acceptable. What i'm only trying to say is that i disagree with the law of statuory rape that's all not with this video, because once again i realize that the woman is breaking the law, but one day i hope that no such law exsists that's all i'm saying.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
ANd when it comes to the crime of a young boy and a older woman no PP doesn't invole the problem but the law does just like with a young girl and older boy and the law treats the same crime differently. The older woman is let off with a slap on the wrist usually probation however the older man is usally sent to prison (it differs state to state).
Kinzu15 2 years ago
I already have formed a educated opinion, but like i said it really doesn't matter to the government until i'm 18. And i already said that yes PP needs to report the crime if it happens, that's clear we agree on that but what i was trying to say is that there should be no law on statutory rape. do you see where i'm going here?
Kinzu15 2 years ago
kinzu15,
Then I am sure you wouldnt mind sharing your thought process and logic with me? I am truly interested, if you would explain a few things to me
1) When is it acceptable to break a law?
2) If a person does not agree with a law, does that mean they do not have to follow it? Why or why not?
3) Did the woman in this video break the law? Why or why not?
4) Whichever your answer to the previous question, was her choice of behavior acceptable? Why or why not?
wheels567 2 years ago
And you have to understand that when a crime such as this happens alot of the time the man doesn't know that the girl is underage, she'll tell him she's 18 or 19. So he doesn't know he's commiting a crime until it's too late. And i also think if the law enforcment is going to come after this man they need to have evidence against him not just the girls word, she could totally be lying.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
Wheels if i could do something about the law i would but seeing as i'm only 15 my opinions don't matter to the governement. And PP may not have to deal with the crime of a young boy and older woman having sex but it does happen ant hte governement turn their cheek because once again the law was designed to protect only one person the girl. And when i do become18 and when i can vote how many public officals are going do support "statutory rape"?
Kinzu15 2 years ago
You cant vote at 15, no. But you can have the courage to think for yourself. You can form opinions based on what YOU think, what YOU have researched, and what seems logical and moral to YOU. You can decide not to choose your stance first and then accept the reasons behind it, but instead learn about the inside of the issue first and then form an educated opinion. If you do this (research objectively and take stances based on facts) your opinions will have impact no matter how old you are.
wheels567 2 years ago
Again, as I explained, Planned Parenthood does not have to deal with the older woman/young boy situations because young boys do not come into PP for abortions. If some other health care provider was aware of a young boy being sexually abused by an older woman, the same law would apply, and that caregiver would be required to report. The same as the PP employee was required to report the situation in the video JUST because she was aware of it.
wheels567 2 years ago
LILA ROSE IS A LIAR. this is entrapment, plain & simple. here's the bottom line: if you don't think abortion is a good idea, don't have one! but don't imagine you have the right to impose your views on the rest of us.
elraen 2 years ago
"Impose" one's views on the sanctity of life? I can hear you in the 19th century: "Don't impose your views on human dignity on me. Slavery is the owner's personal decision!" Open up your mind and heart, and no "imposing" of the truth will be necessary.
Jacobitess 2 years ago
And why is it different when the crime involves a young man and older woman? The laws are alot less harsh on the woman.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
Yes the governement should interfere if a law is broken what i'm saying is there should be no law after the girl is about 13 because after that we're not stupid. statutory rape was only invented to protect young girls virginity nothing more. I don't hear anyone screaming about how a girl was violated by a boy her age. Not to mention that statutory rape has ben happening for forever back in the 16 and 17 hundreds girls got married to older men as young as 13.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
kinzu15,
1) If you dont agree with a law, then as a responsible American citizen, you do something about it, you don't break it. You elect public officials whose views align with yours, and who will legislate laws that you agree with. It's called the will of the people.
2) Its also a crime for an older woman to have sex with an underage boy. However, PP doesnt deal with those situations daily, because obviously an older woman doesnt send a young boy into PP for an abortion, does she?
wheels567 2 years ago
I know that the girl is just as much to blame. I never said she wasn't. And yeah a older man can take advantage of a young woman but no more then a boy her own age could which happens all the time. i don't hear anyone screaming about that. And as for arresting the man i think the law needs more evidence they just take the girls word for it, she could totally be lying because she doesn't like him for whatever reason. But i think it really doesn't concern the government unless the girl complains.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
kinzu15,
It DOES concern the government becuase part of the government's job is to ensure that laws are properly enforced. The law is clearly being broken in this video.
Also, many times in these situations the young girls are manipulated, threatened, frightened, or tricked by their abusers into telling PP that their boyfriend is "good guy" so that the abuser does not get into trouble by the law. Thats WHY the law is in place - to protect young girls from the horror of sexual abuse.
wheels567 2 years ago
That's nothing, in Marshall, Michigan the Marshall police officer with 14 rapes of little boys "that we know of" was never arrested. They use this officer as an example of their protection from the law.
basilsullivan 2 years ago
Miley Cyrus is 15 and dating a guy who is 20, but no one seems to mind that.
LosAngelesWriter 2 years ago
Miley actually turned 16 last year so while having sex with this guy in many states would be stat rape, it would not be require to be reported to authorities. If she was 15, Arizona law would require that to be reported. I think Miley also said she was planning to save herself for marriage...at least that's her plan.
CIDaily 2 years ago
Exactly, he is 20 not 21.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
That's definitely a problem. Celebrities seem to think their hearts are invincible and they can live however they want with no internal consequences... then they end up like Britney.
springchickn 2 years ago
It is perfectly clear from these undercover investigations that Planned Parenthood encourages minor girls to lie, and PP does not report to the proper state authorities cases of sexual abuse, namely rape, of minors, as required by law.
If this were a hospital, or any social service agency, such an institution would be under a major investigation.
But local and state authorities across the USA consistently ignore reports of flagrant violations of state statutes. One exception was in Indiana.
68sgstandard 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Duh!! If the staff "immediately reported sex with underage girls", young women would stop coming to PP for help in their time of crisis. I commend the staff for confirming the sex was CONSENSUAL, that the potential abortion being considered is CONSENSUAL, and her trust and confidence is repeatedly assured so she will feel comfortable reporting nonconsensual rape and abuse.
Interesting you didn't show PP's staff response if you reported the sex or abortion being sought was NOT consensual.
busylady382 2 years ago
Busylady--the reason that statutory laws are in place in the first place is to protect young girls from older men who may be able to manipulate them into sex with illusions of love and etc. Even if a young girl says it's "consensual", who's to know that she isn't being brainwashed or coerced into the sex by a man MUCH OLDER who just wants to use her? As someone who works with domestic violence victims regularly, I can tell you that many times, the abuse starts out psychological, so by the time
Gigi13th 2 years ago 2
So by the time it turns physical, women's self-esteem and self-viewpoint has been so manipulated already by the abuser that she thinks she deserves everything she gets, and that it's all her fault. Tragically, it typically a LONNNGG time--and many instances of abuse--before a victim realizes that she is NOT at fault. Another thing about sexual/DV abuse is that it typically occurs with someone the victim cares about. So even if the sex wasn't consensual she may lie to protect him, or b/c he conv
Gigi13th 2 years ago
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Gigi13th 2 years ago
Or because he convinced her to by guilting her into it.
Gigi13th 2 years ago
statutory rape is a testy subject and no i'm not saying that what planned parenthood is doing is right because by the book it is against the law. but ya know i'm 15 and i'm not stupid enough to not know if a older man is trying to take advantage of me. and i don't think a older man can take advantage of me any more then a boy my own age could. so unless the girl comes out and says she said no then it's no big deal. to me anyway. i think this law was made to protect young girls virginity.
Kinzu15 2 years ago
All 15 year old girls think they can't be manipulated, that 's why your the perfect candidate, you would be naive to the fact that it's actually happening in till it's to late.....Either that our you girl's no exactly what your doing & when its time to face consequences those actions you rather just lie & play the victim & shift all the blame so only the man gets in trouble... the bottom line is that its happening all the time, It's either one our the other!!
biblicalkid7 2 years ago
Hiding the video camera and not allowing the people on it to be aware of the taping is also breaking the law from what I have read.
Is that a matter of discretion?...or should we look the other way for Lila.
Is lying (like Lila did in the video tape) a CHRISTIAN thing to do?
Is Wheels567 a volunteer for Live Action?
milfmaid1 2 years ago
"Hiding the video camera and not allowing the people on it to be aware of the taping is also breaking the law from what I have read."
Where did you read this law?
"Is lying (like Lila did in the video tape) a CHRISTIAN thing to do?"
It's called acting. I guess you oppose people acting in a movie or on stage because that is lying too, right?
When a police officer goes undercover to buy drugs, is that lying? I take it Christians should never be police officers under your rules.
CIDaily 2 years ago
milfmaid1,
Which law are you speaking of? Arizona is a one-party state.
wheels567 2 years ago
This is bullshit!!!
Obviously this girl said YES to sex and is not reporting abuse.
If the girl was crying or hurt, this would have been a differnt story.
This is a clinic that ONLY wants to help other women.
I cannot believe that another woman would try to destroy an organization that wants to help other women.
..and keep the bible out of it. This is not a religious organization or place of worship!
And WHY is the film cut and edited???
I call BULLSHIT!!!
milfmaid1 2 years ago
milfmaid1,
Whether or not the sex was consensual (or whether the girl said she was being raped), the law clearly states that an adult having sex with a 15yo is a felony. The law also states that anyone knowing of a case MUST report it. Its not a matter of discretion. That is the LAW. The PP employee was aware of this law and of the ages of the girl and man, yet she did not report. Thats breaking the law (deliberately covering up statutory rape) and those lawless actions arent acceptable!
wheels567 2 years ago
"Obviously this girl said YES to sex and is not reporting abuse."
If you don't like the law then tell Arizona to change their laws. Planned Parenthood is criminally breaking state law. I guess that is cool with you.
So if a 10 year old says yes is that cool with you?
"And WHY is the film cut and edited???"
I don't know...I do know that this same group has a video on their website that is their whole investigation of a clinic. It's hecka long like 45 min and kinda boring for alot of it.
CIDaily 2 years ago
Where does this idea that the emotional toll of an abortion ruins women's lives?
Most women who make the decision would tell you it was the right decision for them.
If you talked to anyone outside of the "pro-life" community you would kow that.
JA1492 2 years ago
JA1492,
I don't think a debate on that subject is the point of this video.
The point of the video is to expose PP (who receives over 300 million of tax money each year) BLATANTLY breaking the law.
The law CLEARLY states that an adult/child sexual relationship is a felony, and that anyone knowing of a case MUST report it. The PP employee was aware of this law and of the ages of the girl and man, yet she did not report. She deliberately covered up statutory rape, and that is unacceptable!
wheels567 2 years ago
You missed the legality debate previously. The law is not applicable to *anyone* as you say.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
ktarsucksdotcom,
The Planned Parenthood employee was giving health cousel to the girl, so whether or not she technically held the title of "counselor" at Planned Parenthood, the law is applicable to her.
wheels567 2 years ago
I don't think so. Are you a lawyer? Let's try this: What if the janitor at Planned Parenthood gave health counsel to the girl? With your reasoning, the law would apply here too?
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
In your earlier post, you did not quote the law in its entirety:
The part you omitted is as follows:
For the purposes of this subsection, "person" means:
5. Any other person who has responsibility for the care or treatment of the minor.
The PP employee is representing Planned Parenthood, who, by giving advice and/or treatment to the girl, is assuming responsibility for her health and well being.
By my reasoning, the law would then be applicable to the staffer. I am not a lawyer.
wheels567 2 years ago
I suppose it's possible this could apply. I just don't think it's certain. I think one could interpret #5 here more as a person in a caretaker's role.
My big question is why didn't they go for the counselor? It would have been a much more solid case if they had gotten the same advice from her. Or perhaps is it possible they did talk to the counselor, but maybe the counselor did not respond the same as the staffer? Who knows.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
"My big question is why didn't they go for the counselor? "
No counselors were available at either location the girls went to.
Instead other Planned Parenthood staff answered questions and counseled the girls. If Planned Parenthood staff is going to act as counselors, they should probably be counselors. Why they allowed non-counselors to give counselor-like counsel seems to be poor management and bad health care.
LiveActionFilms 2 years ago
Well, to me "poor management" is a much more accurate description than "cover-up". But I suppose "cover-up" is what it takes to make the news.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
Actually both men and women that are TRACKED over time will tell you and reveal the scars it leaves. It's not Good or Right and Always does HARM just like homosexual perversions always damage the actors of humanity.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
This is very sad, where you can go as a baby and have it taken care of like nothing no questions asked. Planned parenthood needs to change it's name!
masihanbi 2 years ago 4
Hmmmm. I agree that I would not like my kid to have an abortion that I'm unaware of.
BUT, it would be worse if they decided to have the abortion in a back alley somewhere, where they might die in the process.
This is where your full-disclosure crusade could push some troubled teens.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
The law is already there that requires sexual abuse of 15 years and younger to be reported. I don't know if this is so much of a crusade to change anything as it is to just have our current laws followed.
CIDaily 2 years ago 15
Can you point me to that law?
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
It says it right there in the video.
ARS 13-1405
B. Sexual conduct with a minor who is under fifteen years of age is a class 2 felony and is punishable pursuant to section 13-705. Sexual conduct with a minor who is at least fifteen years of age is a class 6 felony.
CIDaily 2 years ago
ARS 13-3620:
"A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor, except if the failure to report involves a reportable offense, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony."
"4. "Reportable offense" means any of the following:
(a) Any offense listed in chapters 14 and 35.1 of this title or section 13-3506.01.
Reports shall be made immediately by telephone or in person and shall be followed by a written report within seventy-two hours."
So there you have it.
CIDaily 2 years ago 2
But the video only shows staffers talking to the minors. And according to the Reportable Offense section of the law: 13-3620.
A. Any person who reasonably believes that a minor...
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For the purposes of this subsection, "person" means:
1. Any physician, physician's assistant, optometrist, dentist, osteopath, chiropractor, podiatrist, behavioral health professional, nurse, psychologist, counselor or social worker who develops the reasonable belief in the course of treating a patient.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
It says "counselor" and these people seem to be giving private counsel to a patient. Do you know what the definition of a counselor is? Would Planned Parenthood really counsel girls with people who aren't counselors?
The thing I find most interesting in this video isn't that the employee didn't report, it is that the employee says that Planned Parenthood doesn't ask any questions. That this is their NORMAL procedures.
CIDaily 2 years ago
I agree that the staffers seem to be counseling her. But this does not make them a counselor. In fact, in the video, they are referring the minor to an actual counselor named "Misty"...who was not in the video, and from what I gather, they didn't even speak to.
Nevertheless, I agree, that it doesn't look good. It would lead people to believe that there is a possibility that the actual counselors may violate the law.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
I agree...there may not be a solid legal case to go after this employee but there may be cause for their to be an investigation into PPs reporting procedures to ensure the right reforms, accountability, and training are in place so that the law is consistently followed.
CIDaily 2 years ago
Thy Shall Not Murder - the Sixth commandment by God the Almighty Creator Jesus!
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
Can you refer me to the section in the Bible where abortion is regarded as murder?
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
Sure but I think with an satanic heart like yours it's a waste of effort.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
Sorry, I still have not seen your reply with the Bible verse that equates abortion with murder.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
Youre asking the wrong question. Abortion as it is today did not exist in Biblical times. There is only one conversation to have around abortion, when does Human life begin..
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you"
triordan1977 2 years ago
This is pretty inconclusive.How about a passage that is more direct:
Exodus
21:22 When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows: the one who hurt her shall be fined.
Clearly from this, the Bible states that an unborn child is NOT equal to a human life. Albeit, it is something, just not equal to a human life. Because the Bible later states as a punishment a life for a life. But for the death of an unborn, the punishment is a fine.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
At the very least, in your own words :"for the death of the unborn, the punishment is a fine." At the very least, there is punishment. And yes, it is murder, sorry, even "involuntary manslaughter" has it's price.
Jaizey 2 years ago
There is no punishment (not even a fine) for the woman herself choosing to voluntarily miscarry (Bible speak). I can understand a punishment for an unintentional or accidental miscarriage, which is what the Bible speaks of. But the absence of voluntary miscarriage (abortion) is telling. Again, the idea that a zygote is equal to a human life is ridiculous and is baseless in the Bible.
KTARSUCKSdotCOM 2 years ago
Not everyone believes in god, so please spare us the sanctimonious rants you just sound completely insane.
If you are incapable of using your own brain and resort to quoting from an ancient,outdated work of fiction based on two thousand year old 'values' then please don't bother.
The only person who has the right to decide whether to have a child is the woman - no-one else!
sleepypoodle 2 years ago
Psalms
50
17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
A little word of advice...obtain a dictionary and look up the word 'atheist'! and while you're at it, check out the words 'sanctimony' and 'hypocrite'.
Goodbye you brainwashed bore.
sleepypoodle 2 years ago
Truth is hard to swallow when you drink deception.
Philippians
2
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago 2
Try sucking a lozenge then.
God was invented for the sole purpose of controlling people through fear and reward, you poor 'sucker'. Try using your own mind for a change instead of copying out rubbish from a work of fiction....you unimaginative sheep.
Don't bother replying, I'm done with you.
GOODBYE.
sleepypoodle 2 years ago
You have departed from God, tisk tisk, I have not!
Psalms
119
102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
right on buddy, u tellem, maybe if more people thought the way we christians do, the world would be a better place, "sleepypoodle" is obviously a lost cause.
wickedblackcamaro 2 years ago
nice...why don't you study the religion you hate so much...You might find out how much of an idiot you are! The tanakh and bible are not some works of fiction. Everyone can tell that you aren't a scholar nor even close to it. people like you are just as bad as those who deny the holocaust...there is so much to back it up but yet people still deny it...
YunieChan 2 years ago
Planned Parenthood is not ANYTHING good at all but a house of SATANIC demons bent on destroying life, for PROFIT.
ChristianArmorOfGod 2 years ago
You're a nutjob. Get help, Jebadiah. Your moniker says it all- an outdated zealot leftover from the middle-ages.
And you're satanic.
JA1492 2 years ago
@CIDaily isn't it sad that they have to make laws to tell people to follow pre-existing laws.
thegreenteendesigner 9 months ago
You should be ashamed of yourselves. Pro-lifers need to get a life that doesn't include inciting violence towards PP workers.
JA1492 2 years ago
How was this violence?! You wanna talk about violence. Ok What about the children getting their brains sucked out and their skulls then crushed in by means of partial birth abortion. Is that not violence in your eyes? These babies or "fetuses" are not treated kindly, i'll tell you that much. Babies Under 6 months of development have their limbs chopped up and removed and babies smaller than that are burned by saline solution. That is violence, hun, exposing the truth isn't
jstardude 2 years ago 3
How does this video incite violence? Sure I want Planned Parenthood to reform but I don't want anybody hurt. This video just shows what is actually happening.
I kinda like knowing the truth.
CIDaily 2 years ago 2
I've been active in pro-life service for 25 years. I have NEVER met anyone who advocated violence. Pro-abortion people like to point to the very rare actions of a deranged few in order to (1) paint pro-life people as violent, and (2) change the subject. Anything to keep the focus off the fact that live babies are cut up, women of all ages are injured, the emotional scars last a lifetime, and it's all about the money for the abortion industry.
Cubbermom 2 years ago 2
Why did you remove the video i was going to watch it and kaboom you fellows removed it. Is there something you fellows are trying to hide or what?
Bababooey
HowardSternn 2 years ago
First!!! I don't think Youtube likes this video much so I will write while I can before they yank the film. I just wanted to thank you guys for your good work and persistence in protecting young women in this immoral wold.
specopps911 2 years ago 12
YouTube removed the first video because they say we did not sufficiently blur the faces of the individuals in the first video.
This video provides additional blurring that we believe in consistent with the strictest YouTube standards and will not be removed.
LiveActionFilms 2 years ago 5