If the only input to the VFD is a user set-point, why not just use an energy efficient single speed motor that drives a pump moving less water? Also, does backwash require higher speed/flow/pressure than normal circulation?
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You are correct that most homes do not have 3 phase power but by using a VFD 3 phase power can be generated. What makes the VFD particularly desirable is the VFD's ability to drive a 3 phase motor at almost any speed. It is this ability to lower the speed that results in huge energy savings.
Yet another by product of the lowered speed is the improved filtration and clearer water. The noise of the pump and motor is also significantly reduced.
mikejosephine - Pool vac’s like other suction cleaners don’t use pressure…they work on the suction side of the hydraulic system. However, suction cleaners will not work properly at lower flow rates…but can program the variable speed pump to work a higher flow rates when you need to run the cleaner and other water features and a lower flow rates when filtrating.
Many thanks for the "real world" demo. I just tested my aging 1.5hp Whisperflo and it's drawing about 1.7kw. For those wondering about varying flow for solar, sweeps, etc., I will probably go with a VS-3050 and Suntouch control. The VF will compensate for increased head pressure in most cases by ramping-up speed, according to Pentair. I like the VS w/ Suntouch because I can automate my solar (and if the control every dies it's much cheaper to replace than the cpu on the VF).
20 gpm will circulate your pool for water filtration at about 1200 gallons per hour. That makes 10 hours for most residential pools. This pump is worth every penny.
Yes, you'll have a clean pool. Residential pools have to be filtered once per day. A 20,000 gallon pool will be filtered in 16 hrs at 20 gpm. If you need to "up" the speed for pool cleaners or solar, you can program your system to do that.
lol what do you expect to do at 20gpm? You cant run solar or pool cleaners and you wont broadcast any water or chems. You must use the higher flow rates which doesnt justify a 2000 dollar pump
You are a moron! Do you drive the same speed on the road with your car..."no" you vary your speed with trafiic and road conditions. If people like you were everywhere we will still be chucking sticks and gathering berries..."Moron"!
Variable speed pumps are nothing new. Industry has been doing exactly that for years but it hasn't cost them anything even close to $1000 per pump. By installing a used 3 phase motor and a VFD, one can upgrade to a variable speed pump for a few hundred dollars. There are other advantages to reducing the speed of a pool pump. Better filtering which results in lower chemical costs can be one. The 80% energy savings is nothing to sneeze at either. Chemicals and cleaner is a non issue.
Ok. How many homes have 3-phase power at the load center? Zero. Residential power is not 3-phase anywhere. Power company would probably want about $10k to put 3-phase to your home if they would even allow it.
Who the heck runs their pool 8 hours a day?
DwayneRussellMusic 6 months ago
If the only input to the VFD is a user set-point, why not just use an energy efficient single speed motor that drives a pump moving less water? Also, does backwash require higher speed/flow/pressure than normal circulation?
energygroup06 7 months ago
Thanks for the detailed info
eline65 9 months ago
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yunka111 9 months ago
You are correct that most homes do not have 3 phase power but by using a VFD 3 phase power can be generated. What makes the VFD particularly desirable is the VFD's ability to drive a 3 phase motor at almost any speed. It is this ability to lower the speed that results in huge energy savings.
Yet another by product of the lowered speed is the improved filtration and clearer water. The noise of the pump and motor is also significantly reduced.
I use the TECO 7300CV VFD.
rpiercebutler 10 months ago
mikejosephine - Pool vac’s like other suction cleaners don’t use pressure…they work on the suction side of the hydraulic system. However, suction cleaners will not work properly at lower flow rates…but can program the variable speed pump to work a higher flow rates when you need to run the cleaner and other water features and a lower flow rates when filtrating.
ramealtube 1 year ago
I dont think a pool vac. will work very well at those low presures.
mikejosephine 1 year ago
How do I rig a meter up to check my readings as in the video?
johnsas2 1 year ago
Many thanks for the "real world" demo. I just tested my aging 1.5hp Whisperflo and it's drawing about 1.7kw. For those wondering about varying flow for solar, sweeps, etc., I will probably go with a VS-3050 and Suntouch control. The VF will compensate for increased head pressure in most cases by ramping-up speed, according to Pentair. I like the VS w/ Suntouch because I can automate my solar (and if the control every dies it's much cheaper to replace than the cpu on the VF).
bkgeig 1 year ago
20 gpm would do 1 complete turnover on a pool size of 28,800 gallons in 24 hrs.
It would be interesting to see what the startup current on this motor is at each of the settings (20, 40, and 80 gpm).
retrodog63 1 year ago
Thanks for this video!
mikes748 1 year ago
Its a VS-3050 Intelliflo
datunaman 1 year ago
Does anyone know what the specific model being demonstrated? I know it's a Pentair Intelliflo, but there are several models with that name.
franks59 1 year ago
20 gpm will circulate your pool for water filtration at about 1200 gallons per hour. That makes 10 hours for most residential pools. This pump is worth every penny.
suzannnicole 1 year ago
Yes, you'll have a clean pool. Residential pools have to be filtered once per day. A 20,000 gallon pool will be filtered in 16 hrs at 20 gpm. If you need to "up" the speed for pool cleaners or solar, you can program your system to do that.
tvbones 2 years ago
At 20 Gal per minute will you still have a clean pool?
rondor28 2 years ago
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xairlnplt 2 years ago
Excellent demonstration!
Yes, you can broadcast chemicals, move water and you certainly can run a pool cleaner, if you know what you are doing...
swimmingpoolrepair 2 years ago
lol what do you expect to do at 20gpm? You cant run solar or pool cleaners and you wont broadcast any water or chems. You must use the higher flow rates which doesnt justify a 2000 dollar pump
DeegansTroop 2 years ago
You are a moron! Do you drive the same speed on the road with your car..."no" you vary your speed with trafiic and road conditions. If people like you were everywhere we will still be chucking sticks and gathering berries..."Moron"!
dhfb2004 2 years ago
@DeegansTroop 20 gpm is plenty to run many above ground cleaners, solar heaters, and can easily broadcast chemicals. You are wrong.
bdub786 1 year ago
can you use thos in a abuve ground pool?
cyberlight22 3 years ago
Variable speed pumps are nothing new. Industry has been doing exactly that for years but it hasn't cost them anything even close to $1000 per pump. By installing a used 3 phase motor and a VFD, one can upgrade to a variable speed pump for a few hundred dollars. There are other advantages to reducing the speed of a pool pump. Better filtering which results in lower chemical costs can be one. The 80% energy savings is nothing to sneeze at either. Chemicals and cleaner is a non issue.
rpiercebutler 1 year ago
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Ok. How many homes have 3-phase power at the load center? Zero. Residential power is not 3-phase anywhere. Power company would probably want about $10k to put 3-phase to your home if they would even allow it.
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