Saturday is the 7th day and the Sabbath. Please dont believe what he says. If you want to check out if im wrong go ahead but this is not scriptural. The lord blessed the 7th day (Gen 2:3) and God never changes. (Mal 3:6)
@AndroidTokyo God never changes his character, essence and attributes but God changed his Covenant from Old to New based on Jesus and his paid in full work on the Cross for his redeemed. Gal. 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Colo. 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Why do people try to manufacture a "Christian" Sabbath. The Sabbath has nothing to do with Christians. It was the seventh day given to the ancient Jews alone and a sign of the covenant made with Israel. It was not e ven given to their Gentile ancestors (Deut 5:3) and certainly not given to Christians. Nowhere in the NT are Cristians commanded to keep the Jewish Sabbath, or any day for that matter, so any claims to the contrary are unbiblical and a patent attempt to Judaise Christians .
The Romans (Constantine) changed the Sabbath to a Roman holiday - sol invictus which is Babylonian sun worship. Sunday is the "mark" of Roman Christianity which is not Bible Christianity. Roman Christianity is Pagan and apostasy.
I have a slight problem with this reasoning. Sabbath is not Old Testament Law. Moses brough the Law. Sabbath has existed since the original 7th Day. Thus, Sabbath is older than Law; it wasn't a part of it.
I have a slight problem with this reasoning. Sabbath is not Old Testament Law. Moses brough the Law. Sabbath has existed since the original 7th Day. Thus, Sabbath is older than Law; it wasn't a part of it
@62Poppop The Law of Yahuwah was, is, and shall be the same from "the beginning" to "the ending". What is abusive back then, is abusive today, and tomorrow. Stealing was abusive before Moses ever existed. Lying was abusive before Adam existed. Breaking the Sabbath is abusive against God because sin separates us from God (heart break). The Laws of God never change because morality never changes. What hurt people during Moses day still hurts people today and tomorrow. Same goes for Adam and Eve.
@yahokobbenyah Yahuwah is not the correct name of the Lord. Yehovah is the correct name because it is the translation of "The LORD" which is ye-ho-vaw or Yehovah.
one last point on the the original state of man. Before the fall work was EASY and there was no sweat. Everything was provided for us By God. There was no need for a sabbath rest before the fall because 1. God Walked with Man DAILY and 2. There was no difficulty in work to need a rest from. This is why you guys need to understand Who Jesus really is and what He has done for all those IN HIM by faith.
Your problem is you read the scripture with a presupposition to prove instead of accepting what it says at face value. the fact that the ENTIRE LAW was nailed to the cross is all over the New testament, 2 Corinthians 3, Romans 5-8, literally all of Hebrews, Collosians, Galatians, Ephesians, Thessalonians, JAMES, Peter.. You guys litteraly have to cherry pick verses out of those books to make your point instead of accepting what it plainly says.
what you also completely fail to understand is that JESUS IS THE SABBATH! and that IN HIM we OBSERVE THE SABBATH CONTINUALLY. Isaiah 28 is actually all about the true nature of the sabbath being Jesus and how the people under the law will reject the sabbath rest God had for them. so God will speak to them with babbling lips. (that is an entirely different funny story of mistranslation line upon line is actually the sound of a babies babbling)
im sorry my friend but you have completely misunderstood the new covenant. you are still veiled by the law, you are interpreting everything in the bible according to a covenant that came thousands of years after the beginning of Human history. Yahshuah is the SECOND ADAM not the SECOND MOSES. He did not come to fix our problem with the Law but to restore us to a state before we ate from the tree of law in the first place. Jesus came to redeem us from the Original fall of Humanity.
Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, clearly taught that the Sabbath is made for man. He and His apostles kept it, and it is nowhere abrogated either by command or example in the New Testament. The prophets show the Sabbath being kept after Christ's return.
The Sabbath is a regularly recurring holy day. Keeping it is basic to a Christian's relationship with God. When He rested on the seventh day at creation, God set it apart, reaffirming it to Israel in the wilderness by giving it as the fourth of the ten commandments in the section Jesus summarized as showing how to love God. idolatry and Sabbath breaking were largely responsible for Israel's downfall...
The ten commandments will be brought out of the cave when the mark of the beast is being enforced, Make sure you obey them as they are written. Saturday is the sabbath. Remember this will happen after the mark of the beast is in place. Hit my link to hear about the blood found on the mercy seat.
@TheReubenDean and others... Do you not understand that you are under a NEW COVENANT? completely NEW. as testified in Jeremiah 28, Isaiah 53-55 and the entire teaching of the new testament? You do realize that no one before the law was given by Moses kept the sabbath? Moses wrote Genesis AFTER THE LAW. and includes the cometary about keeping the sabbath because God rested for them to understand who were UNDER THE LAW! no where does it say anyone kept the sabbath before Moses. Not even once.
@TheReubenDean now that is being blind to a fault. That is the introduction of the very CONCEPT of a Sabbath to anyone on earth. and it is delivered TO THE JEWS BY MOSES just before they are about to RECEIVE THE LAW and it is PART OF THE LAW. They had no concept of what a "sabbath was". No one on earth can be demonstrated to observe a "Sabbath day" before Moses introduced it. Genesis was written AFTER THIS TIME during the 40ish years of wandering.
@hellbindercda anyway, I know that to have faith in Jesus prescribes obedience...as for me, I will serve the Lord, and He will only accept obedience to His law, and to be without His law, is to be lawless.
And no, I am not under His law, because I keep His law! If I fall, then I am under His law, but
if I serve Jesus, He gives me the power to do what is only right in His sight, so when I am serving
Jesus, I am not under the law. Am I right, or am I way off the marker?
@hellbindercda Do u understand Yahshua came to redeem us from transgressions against the first testament? Heb 9:15 .. he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament,.. SO, why would one want to PERSIST in breaking the sabbath, FOR WHICH HE DIED, WHICH POINTS AT MESSIAH? If the LAW STILL STOPS ALL MOUTHS & finds GUILTY Rom3:19 WHY continue to break it? Who COUNTS the blood of the covenant? Heb 10:29
@hellbindercda To be "UNDER THE LAW" is to be UNDER THE PENALTY OF BREAKING IT, i.e. The death penalty. THAT death penalty is what Yahshua paid for. He did not "DO AWAY" with Yahweh's law. If the law is 'done away' there would be nothing to STOP THE MOUTHS of the GUILTY. Paul tells you in 1 Tim. 1:8-10 the LAW IS FOR SINNERS - to show them what sin is. John 3:4 agrees.
By the way, Sunday nor Saturday is the Sabbath. Google "LUNARSABBATH (dot) INFO". U may profit $10,000 if u prove it wrong.
Remember to keep the sabbath. Its one of the 10 commandments. The sabbath universally and always will be on Friday night (when the sun goes down) until Saturday night ( when the sun goes down) .It is not an old law because in the new testament it shows the sabbath and even Jesus did the sabbath .Check out Luke 4:16 & Matthew 28 (KJV). If you have any questions message me. God Bless you.
@AndroidTokyo i agree to keeping the sabbath but to say the origional jewish sabbath day is the day before the roman version of the week might be a mistake, it says in the bible that the moon dictates the times, and the roman sunday could be a what bc jews kept as the sabbath, so i think it would be worthwhile maybe researching what the moon says is the calender checkout ' Lunar Sabbath (questions and answers). on youtube. peace
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commanments and if you break one you break all. Do you not kill your kids, though you may feel like it sometimes lol, because its illegal or because you love them? Sabbath is not a Jewish holy day, it was created 2000 yrs before the 1st Jew was even born.
and...the other lie is that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, which it never did. The only thing I might disagree with is that our rest "Sabbatismos" occurs when we have finished our works on the earth, that's when the ultimate rest will come. This isn't our works of the Law, but our works as disciples of Christ.
1. @protochris "Perhaps the boldest...most revolutionary CHANGE the Church ever did, happened in the first century...the Sabbath, was CHANGED from Saturday to Sunday...not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power..... People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become [Seventh-Day] Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
2. @protochris "Sunday is a CATHOLIC institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on CATHOLIC principles..... From beginning to end of Scripture there is NOT A SINGLE PASSAGE that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day (Sabbath) of the week to the first (sunday)." Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.
3. @protochris "Sunday is OUR MARK of authority..... The (catholic) church is above the Bible, and this TRANSFERENCE (change) of sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The CATHOLIC Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?"
"Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the CATHOLIC CHURCH in the COUNCIL OF LAODICEA (A.D. 336) TRANSFERRED (changed) the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." The Convert's Catechism of CATHOLIC Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann.
5. @protochris Catholics also want laws to FORCE their FALSE sunday "sabbath" on the public:
"...CIVIL AUTHORITIES (government) should be URGED to COOPERATE with the CHURCH (church & state) in maintaining...strengthening this public worship of God, and to SUPPORT with their own AUTHORITY (sunday laws) the REGULATIONS set down by the CHURCH"S PASTORS. For...only in this way...the faithful will understand why it is SUNDAY...not the Sabbath...we now keep holy." Roman Catechism (1985).
@protochris friend, ur own church pushes for sunday & will not stop till she gets her way & will restart her persecutions to enforce it. maybe when u finally see it, u will wake up before it's too late.
u said: "the other lie is that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, which it never did".
it is only a lie if ur catholic brothers are liars...is that what u say now? from the quotes i supplied we see u do not understand the teachings of ur own church. can u refute the quotes?
@rusda2 Those publications quoted are from Roman Catholic sources. I amof the Byzantine(Eastern) rite, not Roman. I read the quotes and too be honest, most are from obscure publications that don't represent the authority of the Catholic Church. The Sabbath is and will always be on Saturday, the sixth day. You can't change that, it's written in stone. The Catholic church never denies this. The Church simply follows the custom began by Jesus(resurrected) of meeting with his disciples on Sunday.
@protochris why didnt Jesus speak of this custom? He could just as easily commanded them & su to stop keeping Sabbath and start keeping sunday, but He never did.
the Sabbath is established on a specific divine command, it would take another specific divine command to change that. sunday is only a human tradition identified in scripture as a change in times and laws by the antichrist.
your rite makes no difference, catholic is catholic. byzantine is just another form of it.
@rusda2 Is it simply a human tradition if it began with Christ? He wasn't resurrected on the Sabbath, he did not meet with his disciples after the resurrection on the Sabbath, the Holy Spirit did not come to the church on Sabbath. None of the "Holy" events in the NT occured on Sabbath, these happened on Sunday. There is no place in the NT where Sabbath is "commanded" for Christians. Paul "instructed" NT believers that the Sabbath was a "shadow" that led to Christ.
1.@protochris problem is u are ASSUMING it began with Christ. the fact He arose on sunday does not make that a holy or commanded day. u are adding to the scripture. If God wanted that day kept "holy" He would have made it holy and said so, but He didnt. should we keep thurdays "holy" now b/c Jesus instituted the Lor's supper on that day? should we keep friday "holy" because He died on the cross that day? where does scripture say that any of these "events" made sunday special?
@rusda2 The church began refering to Sunday as "The Lord's Day" in Revelation chapter 1, so they definitely had high regard for that day before the close of the 1st century, long before the Catholic church made any decree about it.
1. @protochris u are following tradition rather than scripture...Rev 1:10 says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..."...can u show me in that verse where it tells us WHICH day the Lord's day is? nope, b/c it does not specify which day is His. but other verses do tell us which day is His...
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the SABBATH, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the SABBATH a DELIGHT, the HOLY of the LORD, HONOURABLE; and shalt HONOUR HIM...
@rusda2 Remember, the reference in Isa 58:13 to God as "Lord" was substituted in because the Jews were afraid to utter God's divine name. The verse originally reads ....the Holy of "Yahweh or Jehovah". The NT uses the adjective "Lords" one other time, when Paul spoke of the "Lord's" supper instituted by Christ .
Paul speaking of Christ in 1 Cor 15:1-4 says" I declare to you the gospel..by which you are saved.., that Christ died for our sins, and that he rose again the "third day".
@protochris what part of "MY HOLY DAY" are you having difficulty with? if sunday is the Lord's day you ought to be able to produce at least one single verse that says so. but there are none. why base your beliefs on flimsy traditions rather than the solid rock of God's word? Jesus was very down on traditions of men, but ur church and the catholic church and others sure put a lot of stock in man made traditions.
@rusda2 The Sabbath or seventh day is not HOLY within itself, it's holy because God "rested" on that day, then blessed and sanctified it. This day is a day of rest; there's no mention of worship in the Sabbath commandment.
We can accept that "Lords" in the NT refers to a day identified with worship of Jesus, just as the "Lord's" supper. All references outside of scripture( non catholic) from the 1st-3rd century testify that "Lord's day meant Sunday, example: didache 65AD.
@protochris the day is holy, God made it holy, thats what SANCTIFIED means. God called the Sabbath a "holy convocation", which is a gathering of the people for, guess what...worship. there is NOTHING in scripture that says the first day is holy or that we are to keep it, nothing.
u can accept anything u want, just dont call it biblical, or Lord's day because the bible doesnt.
it matters little what the didache calls sunday, it only matter what scripture calls it, which is a common working day.
@rusda2 Holy convocation is not in the 10 commandments. Many days are referred to as "holy convocations:.Passover, feast of weeks, feast of trumpets, day of atonement etc. On the first mention of Sabbath, exodus 16:29 the people weren't permitted to leave their homes and congregate. Paul knew there would be differences of opinion about the importance of a day, that is why he stated" One person esteems one day above another; another every day alike, let each be fully convinced in his own mind".
@protochris paul has no authority to change one of the ten commandments. but I see you are fully persuaded so lets end this, its a waste of both our time. take care.
@rusda2 You're right, I am persuaded that the 7th day was sanctified and blessed by God, but that the Sabbath commandment was never binding upon Gentiles. Colossians chapter two is what seals it for me.
1. @protochris Sabbath was instituted at creation my friend...Jesus said the Sabbath was made for MAN...not just Jews. Jews did not exist until around 2500 years AFTER creation. very clearly Jesus taught the Sabbath is not Jewish. if u want to stick with that Jewish idea u will have to exclude urself from the New Cov as well b/c God NEVER made a salvation cov with gentiles. the new cov is made only with Jews (jer 31:31 & heb 8:8) gentiles are ADOPTED into the JEWISH cov according to paul.
2. @protochris u are taking Col 2 out of context. ur choice of course, but a poor one that wont hold up in court.
it amazes me how many people will call the Sabbath Jewish when God never does.
also amazing how many people don't know the New cov IS Jewish.
Im fear the logic I just gave will have no effect on u...it seems truth hides in plain site from those who won't have it. anyway, u can answer this if u like & have the final word. take care...Im really done this time :)
@rusda2 There is no need to go back and forth with ppl. He that readth, let him understand. The sabbath day is a holy day of rest WHICH IS ALSO A COMMANDMENT. Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath, to KEEP IT HOLY. Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; it is holy unto you; EVERYONE that defileth it shall surely be put to death. Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and as his CUSTOM was, he went into the synagogue on the SABBATH day and stood up for to read.
2.@protochris we HONOR God by keeping the day He commanded not by making our own day. His servant ye are to whom ye OBEY. u dont seem to grasp the fact that it does not matter what the church holds in high regard when it contradicts scripture. if the church said to commit adultery would u accept that? neither would I. I also dont accept churches that teach us to break any of Gods law. RCC claims they made the change in the first century, but u willingly ignore that fact.
@rusda2 Neither you or I can possibly "break" or "keep" the Sabbath for 6 days a week. This is a time based command, so the Sabbath is not a moral commandment but a liturgically prescribed commandment. Paul calls this type of commandment a "work" of the law, much like circumcision that prescribed a time and a rite to follow. These were established as a sign from God of our sanctification and righteousness. Now the righteousness of God is revealed apart from the law through faith in Christ.
ten commandments are MORAL...including Sabbath. why did the Jews accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath if it isnt a moral command? they were trying to say He sinned, which is a moral issue is it not? of course it is. sin is transgression of the law. the Sabbath is the 4th of that law. the Jews said He broke it thus implying He sinned. Jesus said He KEPT His Fathers commandments. why do u want to get rid of Sabbath so badly?
@rusda2 Can you tell me of any other commandment we're required to keep only once a week? If the Jews believed that the Sabbath was a moral commandment, they would not have forbidden Gentiles to observe it. Yet, we see this prohibition in the Talmud. The Jewish people felt that Sabbath uniquely belonged to them and that Gentiles had no part in it. Even the Noahide laws that Jews felt were the "moral" obligation of "all" people did not require Sabbath keeping.
2.@protochris There is no place in OT or NT where God said to STOP keeping Sabbath after the cross...the disciples never stopped. there is only ONE instance of a worship service on "sunday"...that was what we would call Saturday night. Sabbath is mentioned in NT over 50 times! 1st day only 8 times! & 1st day is NEVER referred to as "sunday", or "holy", only as 1st day of the week, a common working day according to scripture.
@rusda2 Saturday night is still Sunday according to biblical reckoning. If Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the NT, then how many of those times does the word "Sabbath" refer to a "festival" Sabbath as suggested in in Col 2:16. Would this be the one exception?
3.@protochris Paul referred to CEREMONIAL feasts as shadows, not 4th commandment. Col 2:16-17 mention "meats & drinks" associated with the "shadows"...please show me in the10 commandments that it mentions these associated "meats & drink" offerings? u can't, b/c it is not talking about 4th commandment. in Lev 23:37&38 u find what paul was talking about: "meats & drinks" (offerings) on FEAST days (yearly sabbaths)"BESIDE (in addition to) the Sabbaths (7th day weekly) of the LORD".
@rusda2 Col 2-16-17 says "meats & drinks" OR a New Moon, OR a Holy Day OR a Sabbath. Notice that the conjuction "and" only belongs to the association of food & drink. The verse continues with "or" meaning it's distinct and not joined with the food "and" drink. Also, New Moon, Holy Day, and Sabbath are listed without the definite article "The", meaning they're non specific, so Paul is not referring to a particular New Moon, Feast day or type of Sabbath(s) but to "a" or any (singular).
1. @protochris so what u are telling me is u believe that a man, like paul, has the authority to change Gods ten commandments or do away with one or more of them? that should raise a red flag for u. bible tells us that ANTICHRIST would THINK to change times & laws...the only one of Gods commands that has to do with time, is the Sabbath of the 4th commandment...the very one that the Pope/RCC BOAST they have changed. this is so clear, why cant u see it?
2. @protochris if u think paul is not referring to a specific day, then by ur own judgement he cannot be referring to the Sabbath specifically can he? no.
@rusda2 In the OT there were two types of Sabbaths: 1. The day of the Sabbath, and 2. The Sabbath of Sabbaths, such as those that follow Pentecost. Paul is non specific so that he's inclusive of all or "any" type of Sabbath. In his own words...of "a" Sabbath.
@rusda2 Jesus said "whenever two or more are gathered in his name, there he will be". God only made one city "holy" (jerusalem), but does it mean we can only worship there. This was the lesson the woman at the Well learned when she asked "Jesus "where" do we worship, he replied, "The true worshipers worship God in Spirit and Truth". Sunday is the day of the Spirit, when HE arrived at creation, and the day Christ was resurrected in the Spirit. That's why we gather on Sunday.
@protochris you seem to be missing the point...you can give the most "religious" reason you want for "keeping" or gathering on sunday but it makes no difference...if you are not keeping the Sabbath of the 7th day as God commanded, you are breaking the 4th commandment. He did not say to pick your own day, He commanded the 7th day. He never commanded or even so much as mentioned sunday.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Where are you getting that Jesus is our sabbath?
When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to their history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!!
Obeying the law may not be what you think. Obeying it is using it for the purpose it was designed for.
The more you learn the law, the more you reaiize that you are not obeying it and as a result of seeing that you aren't obeying it, you see your need for Jesus
and in seeing that need, you are drawn to his cross.
Your allegation of this has absolutely NO Scriptural support; the ONLY spot where the Lord Himself identifies His holy day is in Isaiah 58:13 and 14, BY HIS OWN SPOKEN WORDS ------ whatever THAT might mean?
He has declared THE SABBATH to be "my holy day" there; that of course being the seventh day then as now. Equating JESUS to a simple DAY WHICH HE HAS MADE HOLY AND SET APART, makes Him LESS than our Creator, Saviour, Redeemer, RE-Creator, and LORD.
Or To call a certain group of people a CULT it's just plain mean and not Jesus like. I guess I will just keep my opinions to myself and certainly stay off these site's and stop watching the video's it's just a waste of time and my energy.
Well I guess we all have to believe what we believe, I guess I just don't understand all the hate from some of you "Christians" towards other Christians. I see this is a big debate and People like that Bingolly1 calls himself a christian yet is mean and hateful and I don't see how that is right ever, or Jesus like. I think you can have strong views but to put down or belittle a group of people that chose to worship on a different day because that is what and how we understand it, is wrong.
I have read the bible for myself, and I'm sorry that you can't accept my opinion to be different than yours. I have done a lot of reading on this subject as an ex-Seventh-day Adventist. The Lord led me out of that CULT and into true worship of Christ, on the day he was resurrected. I hope he does the same for you, but whether or not you'll allow that to happen is up to you.
! People read the bible for yourself, word for word. The one responsible for your salvation is YOU do not be like sheep and just take what the pastor says ask questions seek it yourself.
Too bad I can’t remember the Cardinal or have time to look it up that left the Catholic church because him and the priests were reading their bibles and praying on Sabbath and knew that you’re supposed to worship on the Sabbath and did in private. The Catholic Church striped everything away from this man his title his pension everything because he became a Saturday worshiper and he could no longer lie to all those people or lead them astray!
Holy COW! can you say TEN Commandments! OK now read them, 4th one REMEMBER THY SABBATH and KEEP it HOLY. The only one with remember in it I think we all should just through out the 10 Commandments that is what all you guys are saying.I would be afraid if I were you leaders or priest’s or pastors..to much is know much is expected watch out what you are teaching if you lead a lot of people astray that would scare me.
You have 2 options: try to bend the Bible's meaning to fit what you believe, or to honestly investigate the scriptures and believe ONLY what you see there.
"Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." John 5:18
So, by saying he kept his Fathers commandment, is Jesus a liar, and therefore a sinner, and therefore unable to be the sacrifice for our sins? Absolutely.
Oh, that is unless, you believe the Bible when it says we are not under the Sabbath law
Through the years Sunday keepers have used many different excuses for keeping Sunday holy. Back in the 70 it was, "we're not under the law we're under grace." Today, you can go from church to church and all will have their own unique excuse. The Seventh-day Sabbath keepers only have one reason for keeping the day holy. "Thus saith the Lord” And that doesn’t a rocket scientist to figure out what God desire of us.
also read Matthew 19:16-26 what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Jesus said: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. and u can keep reading he recited the last 5 commantments! he coud have said belive in me, keep the faith or don't worry about the sabbath. but he didn't. that guy issue was not about the first commantments, his problem was with his neighbor that is why Jesus just mentioned the last 5. "it can't be more clear man"
And notice what happened. Out of all the people Jesus talked to, only one bothered to ask how to earn eternal life. And the man said he fulfilled ALL of what Jesus told him to do. But it still wasn't enough, was it? Jesus asked him to do still more - something he could not do.
We cannot get to heaven, or even a better place in heaven, by following the law. Instead, as Paul said, the righteous shall live by faith. And he who tries to follow the law actually rejects Christ.
@blueskunk12 but apparently it was enough for Jesus! see the problem weren't the commandments he new them all and Jesus didn't even dened that to him. the problem was that he loved money more that what he loved God or his neighbor. and no we can't get to heavens by crediting the law for our salvation, but u are not going nither if u disobey. Faith without works is death said Paul once. a tree without frutes is cut off said Jesus.
If you want to keep trying to uphold the law, go right ahead. But know that James says "he who keeps the whole law yet stumbles at one point is guilty of breaking all" (James 2:10).
But if you still want to try to follow the law, you are accountable to keep EVERY law. That is something that Moses, the Prophets, and even the Apostles failed to do. Paul failed to keep the law. None of us can do so, because the law is meant to lead us to Christ, not to Heaven.
@blueskunk12 So, are u saying that once I get to Jesus I can worship other Gods, and take his name in vain, and break the Sabbath and the rest of the law because the grace allows me to? Because that is what it sounds like! U knows what is the problem and the Confusion? The Sabbath.
Sure, I'm open to change my beliefs if you can prove me wrong. I've already changed my beliefs on Tithing, the identity of the Church, fellowship with Believers, asking for forgiveness for every sin, the Sabbath, Church leadership, the purpose of prayer, and many other things.
But I doubt I will understand you, and that you will able to understand me. I believe we CANNOT keep even ONE of God's laws, and that to even try denies what Christ did for us.
@blueskunk12 u associate it with the old laws, because I’m sure u keeps the other 9 commandments but the Sabbath? That is your problem until u understand the Sabbath is part of the 10C and u have to keep it just like the other nine then u will understand me.
Though I would prefer we take this to Private Messages. It would give us both more room to discuss our views thoroughly without cluttering up the comment section of this video.
@blueskunk12 . Ephesians 6:1Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise... I'm asking u is there another commandment with promises? u bet there are more.
James 2:12 "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom" and that is the word of God not mine. Rev.12:17 those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. Rev.14:12 the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus. thanks
Of course Jesus told them to keep the commandments. Because He was still alive; He had not yet given Himself in exchange for us. So Jesus (and everyone else) was still bound to the law.
It would have been SIN for Jesus to tell them to not keep the commandments.
But while Jesus was telling them to keep the Commandments, He knew that they could not do so. That is why Jesus came, lived a sinless life, then gave up His life, and then rose again to give us new life.
@blueskunk12 ok then read Luke 23: 54-55-56. can you tell me why the womas turn around and rested according to the commandment AFTER Jesus death. did'n Jesus bother to tell them in 3 years that after his death they were free from keeping the sabbath? 3 years.
so when Jesus told the guy to keept the commandments in order to have eternal live he was lying?he new they could no do so? but still went ahead and told him a lie?
They kept the feast of unleavened bread and the passover as well after his death, I guess Jesus must have forgot to them that they didn't have to keep those either, eh;)
Did Jesus really mean that you could attain eternal life through the keeping of the commandments? Remember the scriptures teach that if there was a law that could have given life than righteousness would have been through the law, and if righteousness came through the law then Christ is dead in vain.
So tell me can eternal life be gained through the keeping of the commandments? If you answer yes, then you admit that Christ didn't need to die, and his death was in vain.
@Myhopeisinhim Hello there. “The Sabbath or any law does not save you” ok that is clear in the Bible. But Jesus did not lie because is by obedience that you will sustain your life in Christ and not by disobedience, so Jesus was right when he said obey the commandments because if you kill or lie, commit adultery, break the Sabbath and so on, do you think you will see the eternal life? No way Jose
I think you might be missing why Jesus responded to the ruler the way he did. Read his question:
Luke 18:18 - And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
This man was interested in what HE could do to inherit eternal life. What good deeds could he do to attain eternal life. Jesus answered truthfully, if thou canst keep the law, thou wilt enter into life. However, we know what the bible tells us:
If one could keep the law, they would be able to attain righteousness via the law and enter the presence of God. There has been only one person who was able to attain righteousness via this law because he was sinless, perfect, and that was Jesus. The rest of us have sinned, and fallen short of that righteousness.
And the man Jesus was talking to thought that his works could get him to heaven, so Jesus answered accordingly.
But you'll notice what Jesus revealed as the conversation with the rich ruler as it went on:
Luk 18:21-23 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
He coveted his possessions. He had made them into his idol.
This man thought he kept the commandments, but Jesus showed him that he did not, and that he was a sinner.
He was showing that, while we could gain eternal life *if*(keyword) one could keep the law, we're all guilty of his law and thus salvation cannot be found through the law, and neither can righteousness be found through the law. Thus, our deeds can never justify or make us righteous. The law reveals how guilty we are, not how good we are.
If you want to get into heaven via your own works, you must keep the law 100%, never sin, never fall, never a bad thought or deed.
BUT we've all sinned, and thus cannot get into heaven via our own works. We must accept the works of Christ on the cross as our only hope. We've already broken his law, we need Jesus to set us free from condemnation through his work, not our own.
@Myhopeisinhim let me tell you I do agree with you in must of your points. is not by works or the law that we are save not at all. i just don't understand one thing from u. it is obvious to me that u keep the other 9 commandments, but when it comes to the sabbath why is the opposition? what makes u believe that the 4C. is diferent from the other 9? did Jesus abolished 1 and not the other? its obbeying to u "works" it just don't make any sense to me!
I'm not opposed to the sabbath my dear friend, no more than you are opposed to the other commands of God such as circumcision, or the sacrifices. Just because we don't really believe we must be physically circumcised anymore, does that mean we reject his circumcision command?
Would you consider that you are in opposition to circumcision? Or would you be the first to admit that the circumcision command is fulfilled in you due to his Spirit circumcising your heart?
Are we in opposition to sacrifices because we don't believe we have to perform physical sacrifices anymore? No, we accept the one in whom the sacrifices referred to and accept HIS sacrifice. Just like we accept his circumcision and his sabbath which can only be found truly in him because of what he did for you.
The law isn't fulfilled because of anything you can do in the flesh. You aren't fulfilling the sabbath because you think you keep it on saturday, no more than you are fulfilling the law by trying to keep any other command.
Fulfillment is only found in Christ and what he did.
@Myhopeisinhim yeah but circumcision is way different from saying that the sabbath is no longer a commandment because then u have to say the other nine are fulfill in Christ also so then we don't have to obbey them anymore that is basically what u are saying. the Sabbath was never a shadow of Christ because it was created before the sin Genesis 2:1-3 for the men. and that is why God said "Remember" the sabbath. if the Sabbath was no longer good then why Jesus said i'm the lord of the sabbath?
Actually the entire law, even the ten commandments, found their fulfillment in Jesus. That is why you can receive forgiveness and be set free from condemnation. If Jesus wouldn't have fulfilled the ten and even paid for them on the cross, you'd still be condemned to this very day.
Do you really think your physical attempts at fulfilling them is what fulfills them or what shows you not ugilty in God's eyes? No, its Jesus work on the cross that set you free.
Did you know that he used the word remember for the passover as well, but did that mean the passover command existed before sin? Even the command for the sabbath doesn't appear until Exodus 16, but even though something may have existed before sin that doesn't mean that it can't be a shadow. Consider Adam, he foreshadowed the messiah.
In fact the first creation foreshadowed the work of the new creation. The plan of salvation existed before sin, so it stands to reason everything ever done...
You have been told in the scriptures that the law was a shadow of the messiah, including the sabbath, and that the reality is JESUS. There was nothing given that didn't somehow foreshadow the work of Jesus, and something he would do.
Even when light was created, it foreshadowed how the light(jesus) would come into this dark world at a future time. My dear friend, you are missing out on so many treasure because of the teachings you have been given. Don't let anyone stop you from revealing...
The law and the prophets spoke of Jesus, everything in them led to something that would be fulfilled and done in the messiah so that you might be saved.
It sounds as though you believe that by keeping the letter you are obeying God, otherwise, there wouldn't be this division amongst those who believe they are keeping it, and those they don't think are keeping it; but remember what Jesus said? The priests profane the sabbath when they perform circumcision on that day but are blameless. David ate bread that wasn't lawful for him to eat, but he was blameless.....more
, and the disciples harvested food on the sabbath which wasn't lawful for them to do, but were blameless.
They weren't keeping the letter per say, but somehow they were blameless in God's eyes. How? Here were man that profaned the sabbath, but were held not guilty. How is this possible? This question may give you insight on how we, today, aren't guilty either for not keeping the letter.
This will reveal that while they appeared to be disobedient unto the letter, they were not disobedient unto God. I pray you will consider the implication of this. Obedience unto God may not exactly be what you think it is.
@elmensagero1 1 Corinthians 15: 45-49We follow this sequence in Scripture: The First Adam received life, the Last Adam is a life-giving Spirit. Physical life comes first, then spiritual—a firm base shaped from the earth, a final completion coming out of heaven. The First Man was made out of earth, and people since then are earthy; the Second Man was made out of heaven, and people now can be heavenly. In the same way that we've worked from our earthy origins, let's embrace our heavenly ends.
@Brucev7 hey there thanks a lot. but i have to dissagree with the interpretation for a few Reasons. Yes Paul did compare Adam with Jesus but not as a Shadow of him, as well as the Sabbath and the holy matrimony also institutions that came out of the Garden after the first sin. But not to abolish neither of the 3, But just to show his audience the person of Jesus...
@Brucev7 The other reason is “Predestination” if you interpreted that this 3 institutions were shadows then that means God predestinated the sin and the suffering of the human being and that is not the God of love I know. Now think for a minute “did Adam and Eve have the free will to say no to the devil? And not falling...
@elmensagero1 No, God is omniscient. He knew the choices that Eve and Adam would make and had a plan of redemption we see in His Word. He gives the gift of free will. Humans make their choices. But there is a plan of redemption. I am amazed at the lack of teaching in the churches on free will.
@Brucev7 If u answer yes then the plan to redeem the humans from the suffering of sin wouldn’t had never being implemented but their decision made the difference. The Sabbath the matrimony and Adam had the opportunity to remain “holy” and perfect for the eternity but that was not the case as u well knows...
@Brucev7 So later on a spiritual meaning was given after the sin to these 3 institutions but not as shadows only to teach us a lesson nothing more, is not the Sabbath not Adam not the matrimony not the law that save us is Jesus and only him. Thanks
@Myhopeisinhim there was no need for him to say that if the Sabbath wasn't important for him. but of course the Sabbath point to the only true God the one that rested after the creation before there was any sin Jesus himself. or u belief that God pre-destineted the suffering that comes with the sin? or are u saying God made a defective and enslaver institution for us? something we can't keep even when there was no sin present at the Garden?
@Myhopeisinhim let me ask u a few things . what is Jesus doing now? do u believe there is a temple in heavens? if u answer yes to the last question what do you think u will find in that temple pease describe me thoes things. then i'll ask u a few more questions. after theses.
@Myhopeisinhim My position is that the New Testament does not nullify the Sabbath, but clarifies the Sabbath. Read Acts 7:38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us. 39 But our ancestors refused to obey him… 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit… see it is all over the Bible LIVING WORDS are u going to be like our ancestors?
Bingo, it clarifies the sabbath. It reveals the true sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ. It also clarifies the rest of the law and shares to us the reality of that law, which is in Jesus Christ.
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as a murderer
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as a thief
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as an adulterer, etc.
You'll never been see otherwise *just* because you don't think you do them.
@Myhopeisinhim look what Paul said in Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
its in your heart but its there. he was paraphrasing from Jeremiah 31:31.
And what did Jesus say to the Jews who were keeping the Sabbath? He told them they were actually BREAKING it! Why?
Because as Paul says, the purpose of the law is not to follow it to achieve our righteousness. The law was given to make us realize that we are sinful and cannot earn God's approval So we have to rely on His grace (Galatians 3:19).
Think about it. If we could follow the law, why would we need a Savior? We could just follow the law and not need Jesus at all.
He's actually 100% correct according to what I've read and understand. To answer your question, yes we technically are still under the other 9 commandments and not the 4th, only because JESUS HIMSELF REPEATED AND COMMANDED THEM. The only time He ever said He was Lord of the Sabbath was when He was "breaking" it according to the Mosaic Law. "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a
Jesus was not breaking the sabbath according to Mosaic law he was explaining to the Pharisees the correct interpretation of the sabbath because they were teachers of the law and were not abiding by the spirit of the law. Jesus did not do away with the ten commandments he taught about them. In Matthew 5:19 Jesus warns not to relax any of the law because those that do will have eternal consequences. In the context of the teaching he was talking about all ten.
so if we are done with the sabbath are u applaying the same rule to the other 9 cammandments? or just to one? so if i'm in Jesus's rest does that allows me to commit ADULTERY? James 4:4. here the commandment adultery has a spiritual meaning also, the church is God's is wife. but that doen't allow us to break the physical commandment, just like the sabbath. Jesus's rest is just a spiritual comparation, it doen't allow us to break the physical commandment nether. James 2: 10-12. thanks
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
We are DEAD to the law, dead to our sinful nature, dead to the commandments. We are DEAD to the past and have been raised with Christ to a new life.
If you choose to give up your new life and wallow in sin and death, that is your choice. But every day is the sabbath, because it is not our work, it is Christ's.
@blueskunk12 you can read Romans7:12 that is Paul conclusion on the subject, do we apply the same rule to the other 9 C. since the Sabbath is no longer good then the other 9 C aren’t good either? U know that is absurd. Moses law came to reality in Christ but the 10 C including the Sabbath weren’t shadows of Christ at all, those were realities and they pointed the believer in the right track. Christ is our only source of spiritual rest and that rest u get it when u obbey God's commandments.
Do you think the Jews wandered the desert for 40 years because they did such a good job following the law? Do you think Israel went into captivity in Egypt and Babylon because they followed the law? Do you think God allowed Israel to be occupied by Italy because of their faithfulness?
No, it was because the Jews repeatedly turned their back on God. But God never turned away from them, even laying down His life so that they (and we) may have life.
@blueskunk12 well, that is true but when they turned their backs to the lord like u well said was due to what? what did they did to provoque him in anger? Isaiah 29:13 “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me.Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught. maybe they forgot to observe his commandments?? properly? Psalm 119:89-100 and 150-152 also read Jeremiah 31:33 is talking about the new pact right?
Romans 7:12 is not the conclusion. You need to keep reading and not stop when you find what you want.
If you keep reading that passage, you'll see that it actually contradicts you, saying that the law is good but we are bad. Therefore, we cannot keep it.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
@blueskunk12 I do agree with u. everything is kept by faith or did Jesus broke the law because he was under the law and not on the faith? no way he set the example for us if he was perfect we have to strive for the same with his help we can keep the commandments including the sabbath, but if u act like the israel did turning god's commandments in to human rules we are not going to suceed. the fact that we are under the faith does not give us permission or a justification to act like they did
@blueskunk12 no one is treating the commandments at 51%. and if God is mad at me for trying what is left for u that don't try?? that justifed yourself with our inperfect nature to avoid the commandments! or what "be holy like your father in heaventh is holy " mean to u? going around and saying that because i'm in the faith i can't keep his commantments? "no, is by faith in Jesus that we do it" read it in Deuteronomy 8:10 -18 Deuteronomy 30:10-14 "the law is in your heart" to obbey it.
Sorry, those messages were not for you. But not that you've responded, I'll tell you the same I've told Spurgeon687.
Do you think we're able to obey? Then what about some 2,000 years of Jewish history where they proved over and over that they could not obey? Do you think that we're somehow better?
What do you think is the result of following the law? Do you think the law brings life? Then why did Paul say the law brings death (Romans 7:10)?
Saturday is the 7th day and the Sabbath. Please dont believe what he says. If you want to check out if im wrong go ahead but this is not scriptural. The lord blessed the 7th day (Gen 2:3) and God never changes. (Mal 3:6)
AndroidTokyo 1 month ago
@AndroidTokyo God never changes his character, essence and attributes but God changed his Covenant from Old to New based on Jesus and his paid in full work on the Cross for his redeemed. Gal. 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Colo. 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
NotFlaking 3 weeks ago
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Why do people try to manufacture a "Christian" Sabbath. The Sabbath has nothing to do with Christians. It was the seventh day given to the ancient Jews alone and a sign of the covenant made with Israel. It was not e ven given to their Gentile ancestors (Deut 5:3) and certainly not given to Christians. Nowhere in the NT are Cristians commanded to keep the Jewish Sabbath, or any day for that matter, so any claims to the contrary are unbiblical and a patent attempt to Judaise Christians .
brianhyde63 2 months ago
The Romans (Constantine) changed the Sabbath to a Roman holiday - sol invictus which is Babylonian sun worship. Sunday is the "mark" of Roman Christianity which is not Bible Christianity. Roman Christianity is Pagan and apostasy.
clarkewi 3 months ago
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I have a slight problem with this reasoning. Sabbath is not Old Testament Law. Moses brough the Law. Sabbath has existed since the original 7th Day. Thus, Sabbath is older than Law; it wasn't a part of it.
62Poppop 4 months ago
I have a slight problem with this reasoning. Sabbath is not Old Testament Law. Moses brough the Law. Sabbath has existed since the original 7th Day. Thus, Sabbath is older than Law; it wasn't a part of it
62Poppop 4 months ago
@62Poppop The Law of Yahuwah was, is, and shall be the same from "the beginning" to "the ending". What is abusive back then, is abusive today, and tomorrow. Stealing was abusive before Moses ever existed. Lying was abusive before Adam existed. Breaking the Sabbath is abusive against God because sin separates us from God (heart break). The Laws of God never change because morality never changes. What hurt people during Moses day still hurts people today and tomorrow. Same goes for Adam and Eve.
yahokobbenyah 3 months ago
@yahokobbenyah Yahuwah is not the correct name of the Lord. Yehovah is the correct name because it is the translation of "The LORD" which is ye-ho-vaw or Yehovah.
Josue Javier Funes (THD) and Jewish Studies
AndroidTokyo 1 month ago
@AndroidTokyo Jesus said we can call God "OUR FATHER." It is a strange thing to hear a child call their father by his first name.
NotFlaking 3 weeks ago
one last point on the the original state of man. Before the fall work was EASY and there was no sweat. Everything was provided for us By God. There was no need for a sabbath rest before the fall because 1. God Walked with Man DAILY and 2. There was no difficulty in work to need a rest from. This is why you guys need to understand Who Jesus really is and what He has done for all those IN HIM by faith.
hellbindercda 4 months ago
Your problem is you read the scripture with a presupposition to prove instead of accepting what it says at face value. the fact that the ENTIRE LAW was nailed to the cross is all over the New testament, 2 Corinthians 3, Romans 5-8, literally all of Hebrews, Collosians, Galatians, Ephesians, Thessalonians, JAMES, Peter.. You guys litteraly have to cherry pick verses out of those books to make your point instead of accepting what it plainly says.
hellbindercda 4 months ago
what you also completely fail to understand is that JESUS IS THE SABBATH! and that IN HIM we OBSERVE THE SABBATH CONTINUALLY. Isaiah 28 is actually all about the true nature of the sabbath being Jesus and how the people under the law will reject the sabbath rest God had for them. so God will speak to them with babbling lips. (that is an entirely different funny story of mistranslation line upon line is actually the sound of a babies babbling)
hellbindercda 4 months ago
im sorry my friend but you have completely misunderstood the new covenant. you are still veiled by the law, you are interpreting everything in the bible according to a covenant that came thousands of years after the beginning of Human history. Yahshuah is the SECOND ADAM not the SECOND MOSES. He did not come to fix our problem with the Law but to restore us to a state before we ate from the tree of law in the first place. Jesus came to redeem us from the Original fall of Humanity.
hellbindercda 4 months ago
Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, clearly taught that the Sabbath is made for man. He and His apostles kept it, and it is nowhere abrogated either by command or example in the New Testament. The prophets show the Sabbath being kept after Christ's return.
TheReubenDean 5 months ago
The Sabbath is a regularly recurring holy day. Keeping it is basic to a Christian's relationship with God. When He rested on the seventh day at creation, God set it apart, reaffirming it to Israel in the wilderness by giving it as the fourth of the ten commandments in the section Jesus summarized as showing how to love God. idolatry and Sabbath breaking were largely responsible for Israel's downfall...
TheReubenDean 5 months ago
The ten commandments will be brought out of the cave when the mark of the beast is being enforced, Make sure you obey them as they are written. Saturday is the sabbath. Remember this will happen after the mark of the beast is in place. Hit my link to hear about the blood found on the mercy seat.
atenorforjesus 5 months ago
Lie #102 "We don't need to keep Saturday holy"
You are a false teacher!!!!!
TheReubenDean 6 months ago
@TheReubenDean and others... Do you not understand that you are under a NEW COVENANT? completely NEW. as testified in Jeremiah 28, Isaiah 53-55 and the entire teaching of the new testament? You do realize that no one before the law was given by Moses kept the sabbath? Moses wrote Genesis AFTER THE LAW. and includes the cometary about keeping the sabbath because God rested for them to understand who were UNDER THE LAW! no where does it say anyone kept the sabbath before Moses. Not even once.
hellbindercda 5 months ago
@hellbindercda I think you need to read before Exodus 20, because that is simply not true to say
before the law was given by Moses, that no one kept the sabbath...Exodus 16 makes it clear that
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TheReubenDean 5 months ago
@TheReubenDean now that is being blind to a fault. That is the introduction of the very CONCEPT of a Sabbath to anyone on earth. and it is delivered TO THE JEWS BY MOSES just before they are about to RECEIVE THE LAW and it is PART OF THE LAW. They had no concept of what a "sabbath was". No one on earth can be demonstrated to observe a "Sabbath day" before Moses introduced it. Genesis was written AFTER THIS TIME during the 40ish years of wandering.
hellbindercda 4 months ago
@hellbindercda anyway, I know that to have faith in Jesus prescribes obedience...as for me, I will serve the Lord, and He will only accept obedience to His law, and to be without His law, is to be lawless.
And no, I am not under His law, because I keep His law! If I fall, then I am under His law, but
if I serve Jesus, He gives me the power to do what is only right in His sight, so when I am serving
Jesus, I am not under the law. Am I right, or am I way off the marker?
TheReubenDean 5 months ago
@hellbindercda Do u understand Yahshua came to redeem us from transgressions against the first testament? Heb 9:15 .. he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament,.. SO, why would one want to PERSIST in breaking the sabbath, FOR WHICH HE DIED, WHICH POINTS AT MESSIAH? If the LAW STILL STOPS ALL MOUTHS & finds GUILTY Rom3:19 WHY continue to break it? Who COUNTS the blood of the covenant? Heb 10:29
EliyahsMessageTime 4 months ago
@hellbindercda To be "UNDER THE LAW" is to be UNDER THE PENALTY OF BREAKING IT, i.e. The death penalty. THAT death penalty is what Yahshua paid for. He did not "DO AWAY" with Yahweh's law. If the law is 'done away' there would be nothing to STOP THE MOUTHS of the GUILTY. Paul tells you in 1 Tim. 1:8-10 the LAW IS FOR SINNERS - to show them what sin is. John 3:4 agrees.
By the way, Sunday nor Saturday is the Sabbath. Google "LUNARSABBATH (dot) INFO". U may profit $10,000 if u prove it wrong.
EliyahsMessageTime 4 months ago
UR blind
TheReubenDean 6 months ago
From the shadow to the substance: Jesus is the sabbathrest!
holyfiregermany 7 months ago in playlist 101 Lies you hear in church 54-101 by Steve McVey
Remember to keep the sabbath. Its one of the 10 commandments. The sabbath universally and always will be on Friday night (when the sun goes down) until Saturday night ( when the sun goes down) .It is not an old law because in the new testament it shows the sabbath and even Jesus did the sabbath .Check out Luke 4:16 & Matthew 28 (KJV). If you have any questions message me. God Bless you.
AndroidTokyo 7 months ago
@AndroidTokyo i agree to keeping the sabbath but to say the origional jewish sabbath day is the day before the roman version of the week might be a mistake, it says in the bible that the moon dictates the times, and the roman sunday could be a what bc jews kept as the sabbath, so i think it would be worthwhile maybe researching what the moon says is the calender checkout ' Lunar Sabbath (questions and answers). on youtube. peace
biomechanical1976 5 months ago
nonsense. The followers of Jesus kept the sabbath day right from the first sabbath after the crucification "as per the commandment"
alexmcginness 8 months ago
The vatican is the complete authority on Sunday being the day to worship.
Iwillvibrateonyou 8 months ago
Sat is the Sabbath period. Not Jesus Sat.
My3rdeyesopen 9 months ago
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commanments and if you break one you break all. Do you not kill your kids, though you may feel like it sometimes lol, because its illegal or because you love them? Sabbath is not a Jewish holy day, it was created 2000 yrs before the 1st Jew was even born.
SuperGolfing1 9 months ago
and...the other lie is that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, which it never did. The only thing I might disagree with is that our rest "Sabbatismos" occurs when we have finished our works on the earth, that's when the ultimate rest will come. This isn't our works of the Law, but our works as disciples of Christ.
protochris 10 months ago
1. @protochris "Perhaps the boldest...most revolutionary CHANGE the Church ever did, happened in the first century...the Sabbath, was CHANGED from Saturday to Sunday...not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power..... People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become [Seventh-Day] Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
rusda2 9 months ago
2. @protochris "Sunday is a CATHOLIC institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on CATHOLIC principles..... From beginning to end of Scripture there is NOT A SINGLE PASSAGE that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day (Sabbath) of the week to the first (sunday)." Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.
rusda2 9 months ago
3. @protochris "Sunday is OUR MARK of authority..... The (catholic) church is above the Bible, and this TRANSFERENCE (change) of sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The CATHOLIC Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
rusda2 9 months ago
4. @protochris
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?"
"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath."
"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?"
"Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the CATHOLIC CHURCH in the COUNCIL OF LAODICEA (A.D. 336) TRANSFERRED (changed) the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." The Convert's Catechism of CATHOLIC Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann.
rusda2 9 months ago
5. @protochris Catholics also want laws to FORCE their FALSE sunday "sabbath" on the public:
"...CIVIL AUTHORITIES (government) should be URGED to COOPERATE with the CHURCH (church & state) in maintaining...strengthening this public worship of God, and to SUPPORT with their own AUTHORITY (sunday laws) the REGULATIONS set down by the CHURCH"S PASTORS. For...only in this way...the faithful will understand why it is SUNDAY...not the Sabbath...we now keep holy." Roman Catechism (1985).
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 The likelyhood that there will ever be a forced Sunday law in America is about as probable as the rapture occuring on May 21, 2011.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris friend, ur own church pushes for sunday & will not stop till she gets her way & will restart her persecutions to enforce it. maybe when u finally see it, u will wake up before it's too late.
u said: "the other lie is that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, which it never did".
it is only a lie if ur catholic brothers are liars...is that what u say now? from the quotes i supplied we see u do not understand the teachings of ur own church. can u refute the quotes?
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Those publications quoted are from Roman Catholic sources. I amof the Byzantine(Eastern) rite, not Roman. I read the quotes and too be honest, most are from obscure publications that don't represent the authority of the Catholic Church. The Sabbath is and will always be on Saturday, the sixth day. You can't change that, it's written in stone. The Catholic church never denies this. The Church simply follows the custom began by Jesus(resurrected) of meeting with his disciples on Sunday.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris why didnt Jesus speak of this custom? He could just as easily commanded them & su to stop keeping Sabbath and start keeping sunday, but He never did.
the Sabbath is established on a specific divine command, it would take another specific divine command to change that. sunday is only a human tradition identified in scripture as a change in times and laws by the antichrist.
your rite makes no difference, catholic is catholic. byzantine is just another form of it.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Is it simply a human tradition if it began with Christ? He wasn't resurrected on the Sabbath, he did not meet with his disciples after the resurrection on the Sabbath, the Holy Spirit did not come to the church on Sabbath. None of the "Holy" events in the NT occured on Sabbath, these happened on Sunday. There is no place in the NT where Sabbath is "commanded" for Christians. Paul "instructed" NT believers that the Sabbath was a "shadow" that led to Christ.
protochris 9 months ago
1.@protochris problem is u are ASSUMING it began with Christ. the fact He arose on sunday does not make that a holy or commanded day. u are adding to the scripture. If God wanted that day kept "holy" He would have made it holy and said so, but He didnt. should we keep thurdays "holy" now b/c Jesus instituted the Lor's supper on that day? should we keep friday "holy" because He died on the cross that day? where does scripture say that any of these "events" made sunday special?
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 The church began refering to Sunday as "The Lord's Day" in Revelation chapter 1, so they definitely had high regard for that day before the close of the 1st century, long before the Catholic church made any decree about it.
protochris 9 months ago
1. @protochris u are following tradition rather than scripture...Rev 1:10 says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..."...can u show me in that verse where it tells us WHICH day the Lord's day is? nope, b/c it does not specify which day is His. but other verses do tell us which day is His...
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the SABBATH, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the SABBATH a DELIGHT, the HOLY of the LORD, HONOURABLE; and shalt HONOUR HIM...
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Remember, the reference in Isa 58:13 to God as "Lord" was substituted in because the Jews were afraid to utter God's divine name. The verse originally reads ....the Holy of "Yahweh or Jehovah". The NT uses the adjective "Lords" one other time, when Paul spoke of the "Lord's" supper instituted by Christ .
Paul speaking of Christ in 1 Cor 15:1-4 says" I declare to you the gospel..by which you are saved.., that Christ died for our sins, and that he rose again the "third day".
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris what part of "MY HOLY DAY" are you having difficulty with? if sunday is the Lord's day you ought to be able to produce at least one single verse that says so. but there are none. why base your beliefs on flimsy traditions rather than the solid rock of God's word? Jesus was very down on traditions of men, but ur church and the catholic church and others sure put a lot of stock in man made traditions.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 The Sabbath or seventh day is not HOLY within itself, it's holy because God "rested" on that day, then blessed and sanctified it. This day is a day of rest; there's no mention of worship in the Sabbath commandment.
We can accept that "Lords" in the NT refers to a day identified with worship of Jesus, just as the "Lord's" supper. All references outside of scripture( non catholic) from the 1st-3rd century testify that "Lord's day meant Sunday, example: didache 65AD.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris the day is holy, God made it holy, thats what SANCTIFIED means. God called the Sabbath a "holy convocation", which is a gathering of the people for, guess what...worship. there is NOTHING in scripture that says the first day is holy or that we are to keep it, nothing.
u can accept anything u want, just dont call it biblical, or Lord's day because the bible doesnt.
it matters little what the didache calls sunday, it only matter what scripture calls it, which is a common working day.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Holy convocation is not in the 10 commandments. Many days are referred to as "holy convocations:.Passover, feast of weeks, feast of trumpets, day of atonement etc. On the first mention of Sabbath, exodus 16:29 the people weren't permitted to leave their homes and congregate. Paul knew there would be differences of opinion about the importance of a day, that is why he stated" One person esteems one day above another; another every day alike, let each be fully convinced in his own mind".
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris paul has no authority to change one of the ten commandments. but I see you are fully persuaded so lets end this, its a waste of both our time. take care.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 You're right, I am persuaded that the 7th day was sanctified and blessed by God, but that the Sabbath commandment was never binding upon Gentiles. Colossians chapter two is what seals it for me.
protochris 9 months ago
1. @protochris Sabbath was instituted at creation my friend...Jesus said the Sabbath was made for MAN...not just Jews. Jews did not exist until around 2500 years AFTER creation. very clearly Jesus taught the Sabbath is not Jewish. if u want to stick with that Jewish idea u will have to exclude urself from the New Cov as well b/c God NEVER made a salvation cov with gentiles. the new cov is made only with Jews (jer 31:31 & heb 8:8) gentiles are ADOPTED into the JEWISH cov according to paul.
rusda2 9 months ago
2. @protochris u are taking Col 2 out of context. ur choice of course, but a poor one that wont hold up in court.
it amazes me how many people will call the Sabbath Jewish when God never does.
also amazing how many people don't know the New cov IS Jewish.
Im fear the logic I just gave will have no effect on u...it seems truth hides in plain site from those who won't have it. anyway, u can answer this if u like & have the final word. take care...Im really done this time :)
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 I never get the final word. I have too many SDA friends who won't let that happen.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris lol...well heres ur chance, no more trying to reason from my end :)
add me to ur friend list...I know we dont agree but I have nothing personal against you. take care.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 There is no need to go back and forth with ppl. He that readth, let him understand. The sabbath day is a holy day of rest WHICH IS ALSO A COMMANDMENT. Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath, to KEEP IT HOLY. Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; it is holy unto you; EVERYONE that defileth it shall surely be put to death. Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and as his CUSTOM was, he went into the synagogue on the SABBATH day and stood up for to read.
cwgirl123 8 months ago
@cwgirl123 hi friend, not sure what you are trying to say, are you hand slapping me? :)
rusda2 8 months ago
2.@protochris we HONOR God by keeping the day He commanded not by making our own day. His servant ye are to whom ye OBEY. u dont seem to grasp the fact that it does not matter what the church holds in high regard when it contradicts scripture. if the church said to commit adultery would u accept that? neither would I. I also dont accept churches that teach us to break any of Gods law. RCC claims they made the change in the first century, but u willingly ignore that fact.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Neither you or I can possibly "break" or "keep" the Sabbath for 6 days a week. This is a time based command, so the Sabbath is not a moral commandment but a liturgically prescribed commandment. Paul calls this type of commandment a "work" of the law, much like circumcision that prescribed a time and a rite to follow. These were established as a sign from God of our sanctification and righteousness. Now the righteousness of God is revealed apart from the law through faith in Christ.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris keeping it 6 days a week? what????
ten commandments are MORAL...including Sabbath. why did the Jews accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath if it isnt a moral command? they were trying to say He sinned, which is a moral issue is it not? of course it is. sin is transgression of the law. the Sabbath is the 4th of that law. the Jews said He broke it thus implying He sinned. Jesus said He KEPT His Fathers commandments. why do u want to get rid of Sabbath so badly?
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Can you tell me of any other commandment we're required to keep only once a week? If the Jews believed that the Sabbath was a moral commandment, they would not have forbidden Gentiles to observe it. Yet, we see this prohibition in the Talmud. The Jewish people felt that Sabbath uniquely belonged to them and that Gentiles had no part in it. Even the Noahide laws that Jews felt were the "moral" obligation of "all" people did not require Sabbath keeping.
protochris 9 months ago
2.@protochris There is no place in OT or NT where God said to STOP keeping Sabbath after the cross...the disciples never stopped. there is only ONE instance of a worship service on "sunday"...that was what we would call Saturday night. Sabbath is mentioned in NT over 50 times! 1st day only 8 times! & 1st day is NEVER referred to as "sunday", or "holy", only as 1st day of the week, a common working day according to scripture.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Saturday night is still Sunday according to biblical reckoning. If Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the NT, then how many of those times does the word "Sabbath" refer to a "festival" Sabbath as suggested in in Col 2:16. Would this be the one exception?
protochris 9 months ago
3.@protochris Paul referred to CEREMONIAL feasts as shadows, not 4th commandment. Col 2:16-17 mention "meats & drinks" associated with the "shadows"...please show me in the10 commandments that it mentions these associated "meats & drink" offerings? u can't, b/c it is not talking about 4th commandment. in Lev 23:37&38 u find what paul was talking about: "meats & drinks" (offerings) on FEAST days (yearly sabbaths)"BESIDE (in addition to) the Sabbaths (7th day weekly) of the LORD".
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Col 2-16-17 says "meats & drinks" OR a New Moon, OR a Holy Day OR a Sabbath. Notice that the conjuction "and" only belongs to the association of food & drink. The verse continues with "or" meaning it's distinct and not joined with the food "and" drink. Also, New Moon, Holy Day, and Sabbath are listed without the definite article "The", meaning they're non specific, so Paul is not referring to a particular New Moon, Feast day or type of Sabbath(s) but to "a" or any (singular).
protochris 9 months ago
1. @protochris so what u are telling me is u believe that a man, like paul, has the authority to change Gods ten commandments or do away with one or more of them? that should raise a red flag for u. bible tells us that ANTICHRIST would THINK to change times & laws...the only one of Gods commands that has to do with time, is the Sabbath of the 4th commandment...the very one that the Pope/RCC BOAST they have changed. this is so clear, why cant u see it?
rusda2 9 months ago
2. @protochris if u think paul is not referring to a specific day, then by ur own judgement he cannot be referring to the Sabbath specifically can he? no.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 In the OT there were two types of Sabbaths: 1. The day of the Sabbath, and 2. The Sabbath of Sabbaths, such as those that follow Pentecost. Paul is non specific so that he's inclusive of all or "any" type of Sabbath. In his own words...of "a" Sabbath.
protochris 9 months ago
@rusda2 Ooops, meant to say Sabbath is the 7th day.
protochris 9 months ago
6. @protochris How can anyone "keep" sunday "holy" when God never made it holy?
Anyone, catholic or protestant, who denies what the catholic church plainly teaches is living in deliberate willful denial of the the facts.
Come out of her My people!...that ye be not partakers of her sins!
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Jesus said "whenever two or more are gathered in his name, there he will be". God only made one city "holy" (jerusalem), but does it mean we can only worship there. This was the lesson the woman at the Well learned when she asked "Jesus "where" do we worship, he replied, "The true worshipers worship God in Spirit and Truth". Sunday is the day of the Spirit, when HE arrived at creation, and the day Christ was resurrected in the Spirit. That's why we gather on Sunday.
protochris 9 months ago
@protochris you seem to be missing the point...you can give the most "religious" reason you want for "keeping" or gathering on sunday but it makes no difference...if you are not keeping the Sabbath of the 7th day as God commanded, you are breaking the 4th commandment. He did not say to pick your own day, He commanded the 7th day. He never commanded or even so much as mentioned sunday.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 Colossians chapter 2 verse 16,17 states that Christians are neither required to keep Sabbath or be judged for not keeping it.
protochris 9 months ago
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Where are you getting that Jesus is our sabbath?
SuperGolfing1 10 months ago
@SuperGolfing1
What do you believe it means when someone says that "jesus is our sabbath"?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
Hi Steve So what do we do with the forth commandment?
KevinEricRattle 10 months ago
When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to their history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!!
skimask777 10 months ago
The purpose of the law is to show you your sin and lead you to the messiah and his wonderful blood shed on the cross for us.
We're told that the law is only good when used properly. If you misuse it, it will lead to your destruction.
if used wrongly are you really obeying it?
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@youareisrael
Obeying the law may not be what you think. Obeying it is using it for the purpose it was designed for.
The more you learn the law, the more you reaiize that you are not obeying it and as a result of seeing that you aren't obeying it, you see your need for Jesus
and in seeing that need, you are drawn to his cross.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
To truly be opposed to something is to reject the purpose for why it was given. Remember the law is only good when used properly.
It is truly only in jesus that the law finds fulfilment in you through his name and his works.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
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1:45-1:47 "so know Sunday is the Lord's day'"
Your allegation of this has absolutely NO Scriptural support; the ONLY spot where the Lord Himself identifies His holy day is in Isaiah 58:13 and 14, BY HIS OWN SPOKEN WORDS ------ whatever THAT might mean?
He has declared THE SABBATH to be "my holy day" there; that of course being the seventh day then as now. Equating JESUS to a simple DAY WHICH HE HAS MADE HOLY AND SET APART, makes Him LESS than our Creator, Saviour, Redeemer, RE-Creator, and LORD.
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jkw733 11 months ago
Or To call a certain group of people a CULT it's just plain mean and not Jesus like. I guess I will just keep my opinions to myself and certainly stay off these site's and stop watching the video's it's just a waste of time and my energy.
d3cbrown4 11 months ago
Well I guess we all have to believe what we believe, I guess I just don't understand all the hate from some of you "Christians" towards other Christians. I see this is a big debate and People like that Bingolly1 calls himself a christian yet is mean and hateful and I don't see how that is right ever, or Jesus like. I think you can have strong views but to put down or belittle a group of people that chose to worship on a different day because that is what and how we understand it, is wrong.
d3cbrown4 11 months ago
I have read the bible for myself, and I'm sorry that you can't accept my opinion to be different than yours. I have done a lot of reading on this subject as an ex-Seventh-day Adventist. The Lord led me out of that CULT and into true worship of Christ, on the day he was resurrected. I hope he does the same for you, but whether or not you'll allow that to happen is up to you.
g0andTelLy0urFriends 11 months ago
! People read the bible for yourself, word for word. The one responsible for your salvation is YOU do not be like sheep and just take what the pastor says ask questions seek it yourself.
d3cbrown4 11 months ago
Too bad I can’t remember the Cardinal or have time to look it up that left the Catholic church because him and the priests were reading their bibles and praying on Sabbath and knew that you’re supposed to worship on the Sabbath and did in private. The Catholic Church striped everything away from this man his title his pension everything because he became a Saturday worshiper and he could no longer lie to all those people or lead them astray!
d3cbrown4 11 months ago
Holy COW! can you say TEN Commandments! OK now read them, 4th one REMEMBER THY SABBATH and KEEP it HOLY. The only one with remember in it I think we all should just through out the 10 Commandments that is what all you guys are saying.I would be afraid if I were you leaders or priest’s or pastors..to much is know much is expected watch out what you are teaching if you lead a lot of people astray that would scare me.
d3cbrown4 11 months ago
You have 2 options: try to bend the Bible's meaning to fit what you believe, or to honestly investigate the scriptures and believe ONLY what you see there.
g0andTelLy0urFriends 1 year ago
Did Jesus break the Sabbath?
"Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." John 5:18
Yes, He did.
"I have kept my Father's commandments."
John 15:10
So, by saying he kept his Fathers commandment, is Jesus a liar, and therefore a sinner, and therefore unable to be the sacrifice for our sins? Absolutely.
Oh, that is unless, you believe the Bible when it says we are not under the Sabbath law
g0andTelLy0urFriends 1 year ago
Through the years Sunday keepers have used many different excuses for keeping Sunday holy. Back in the 70 it was, "we're not under the law we're under grace." Today, you can go from church to church and all will have their own unique excuse. The Seventh-day Sabbath keepers only have one reason for keeping the day holy. "Thus saith the Lord” And that doesn’t a rocket scientist to figure out what God desire of us.
skimask777 1 year ago
also read Matthew 19:16-26 what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Jesus said: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. and u can keep reading he recited the last 5 commantments! he coud have said belive in me, keep the faith or don't worry about the sabbath. but he didn't. that guy issue was not about the first commantments, his problem was with his neighbor that is why Jesus just mentioned the last 5. "it can't be more clear man"
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
And notice what happened. Out of all the people Jesus talked to, only one bothered to ask how to earn eternal life. And the man said he fulfilled ALL of what Jesus told him to do. But it still wasn't enough, was it? Jesus asked him to do still more - something he could not do.
We cannot get to heaven, or even a better place in heaven, by following the law. Instead, as Paul said, the righteous shall live by faith. And he who tries to follow the law actually rejects Christ.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 but apparently it was enough for Jesus! see the problem weren't the commandments he new them all and Jesus didn't even dened that to him. the problem was that he loved money more that what he loved God or his neighbor. and no we can't get to heavens by crediting the law for our salvation, but u are not going nither if u disobey. Faith without works is death said Paul once. a tree without frutes is cut off said Jesus.
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
If you want to keep trying to uphold the law, go right ahead. But know that James says "he who keeps the whole law yet stumbles at one point is guilty of breaking all" (James 2:10).
But if you still want to try to follow the law, you are accountable to keep EVERY law. That is something that Moses, the Prophets, and even the Apostles failed to do. Paul failed to keep the law. None of us can do so, because the law is meant to lead us to Christ, not to Heaven.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 So, are u saying that once I get to Jesus I can worship other Gods, and take his name in vain, and break the Sabbath and the rest of the law because the grace allows me to? Because that is what it sounds like! U knows what is the problem and the Confusion? The Sabbath.
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Sure, I'm open to change my beliefs if you can prove me wrong. I've already changed my beliefs on Tithing, the identity of the Church, fellowship with Believers, asking for forgiveness for every sin, the Sabbath, Church leadership, the purpose of prayer, and many other things.
But I doubt I will understand you, and that you will able to understand me. I believe we CANNOT keep even ONE of God's laws, and that to even try denies what Christ did for us.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 u associate it with the old laws, because I’m sure u keeps the other 9 commandments but the Sabbath? That is your problem until u understand the Sabbath is part of the 10C and u have to keep it just like the other nine then u will understand me.
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Though I would prefer we take this to Private Messages. It would give us both more room to discuss our views thoroughly without cluttering up the comment section of this video.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 that is perfect. what denomination do u belong to?
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
I do not belong to any denomination.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 . Ephesians 6:1Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise... I'm asking u is there another commandment with promises? u bet there are more.
James 2:12 "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom" and that is the word of God not mine. Rev.12:17 those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. Rev.14:12 the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus. thanks
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Until you are able to accept the possibility that you may be wrong, there is nothing more I can say to you.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 are u accepting that same possibility as well?
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Of course Jesus told them to keep the commandments. Because He was still alive; He had not yet given Himself in exchange for us. So Jesus (and everyone else) was still bound to the law.
It would have been SIN for Jesus to tell them to not keep the commandments.
But while Jesus was telling them to keep the Commandments, He knew that they could not do so. That is why Jesus came, lived a sinless life, then gave up His life, and then rose again to give us new life.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 ok then read Luke 23: 54-55-56. can you tell me why the womas turn around and rested according to the commandment AFTER Jesus death. did'n Jesus bother to tell them in 3 years that after his death they were free from keeping the sabbath? 3 years.
so when Jesus told the guy to keept the commandments in order to have eternal live he was lying?he new they could no do so? but still went ahead and told him a lie?
elmensagero1 11 months ago 2
@elmensagero1
They kept the feast of unleavened bread and the passover as well after his death, I guess Jesus must have forgot to them that they didn't have to keep those either, eh;)
Did Jesus really mean that you could attain eternal life through the keeping of the commandments? Remember the scriptures teach that if there was a law that could have given life than righteousness would have been through the law, and if righteousness came through the law then Christ is dead in vain.
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Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
So tell me can eternal life be gained through the keeping of the commandments? If you answer yes, then you admit that Christ didn't need to die, and his death was in vain.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Hello there. “The Sabbath or any law does not save you” ok that is clear in the Bible. But Jesus did not lie because is by obedience that you will sustain your life in Christ and not by disobedience, so Jesus was right when he said obey the commandments because if you kill or lie, commit adultery, break the Sabbath and so on, do you think you will see the eternal life? No way Jose
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1
I think you might be missing why Jesus responded to the ruler the way he did. Read his question:
Luke 18:18 - And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
This man was interested in what HE could do to inherit eternal life. What good deeds could he do to attain eternal life. Jesus answered truthfully, if thou canst keep the law, thou wilt enter into life. However, we know what the bible tells us:
For all have sinned and...
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
and come short of the glory of God.
If one could keep the law, they would be able to attain righteousness via the law and enter the presence of God. There has been only one person who was able to attain righteousness via this law because he was sinless, perfect, and that was Jesus. The rest of us have sinned, and fallen short of that righteousness.
And the man Jesus was talking to thought that his works could get him to heaven, so Jesus answered accordingly.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
But you'll notice what Jesus revealed as the conversation with the rich ruler as it went on:
Luk 18:21-23 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
He coveted his possessions. He had made them into his idol.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
This man thought he kept the commandments, but Jesus showed him that he did not, and that he was a sinner.
He was showing that, while we could gain eternal life *if*(keyword) one could keep the law, we're all guilty of his law and thus salvation cannot be found through the law, and neither can righteousness be found through the law. Thus, our deeds can never justify or make us righteous. The law reveals how guilty we are, not how good we are.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Basically it came down to this
If you want to get into heaven via your own works, you must keep the law 100%, never sin, never fall, never a bad thought or deed.
BUT we've all sinned, and thus cannot get into heaven via our own works. We must accept the works of Christ on the cross as our only hope. We've already broken his law, we need Jesus to set us free from condemnation through his work, not our own.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim let me tell you I do agree with you in must of your points. is not by works or the law that we are save not at all. i just don't understand one thing from u. it is obvious to me that u keep the other 9 commandments, but when it comes to the sabbath why is the opposition? what makes u believe that the 4C. is diferent from the other 9? did Jesus abolished 1 and not the other? its obbeying to u "works" it just don't make any sense to me!
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1
I'm not opposed to the sabbath my dear friend, no more than you are opposed to the other commands of God such as circumcision, or the sacrifices. Just because we don't really believe we must be physically circumcised anymore, does that mean we reject his circumcision command?
Would you consider that you are in opposition to circumcision? Or would you be the first to admit that the circumcision command is fulfilled in you due to his Spirit circumcising your heart?
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Are we in opposition to sacrifices because we don't believe we have to perform physical sacrifices anymore? No, we accept the one in whom the sacrifices referred to and accept HIS sacrifice. Just like we accept his circumcision and his sabbath which can only be found truly in him because of what he did for you.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
The law isn't fulfilled because of anything you can do in the flesh. You aren't fulfilling the sabbath because you think you keep it on saturday, no more than you are fulfilling the law by trying to keep any other command.
Fulfillment is only found in Christ and what he did.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim yeah but circumcision is way different from saying that the sabbath is no longer a commandment because then u have to say the other nine are fulfill in Christ also so then we don't have to obbey them anymore that is basically what u are saying. the Sabbath was never a shadow of Christ because it was created before the sin Genesis 2:1-3 for the men. and that is why God said "Remember" the sabbath. if the Sabbath was no longer good then why Jesus said i'm the lord of the sabbath?
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1
Actually the entire law, even the ten commandments, found their fulfillment in Jesus. That is why you can receive forgiveness and be set free from condemnation. If Jesus wouldn't have fulfilled the ten and even paid for them on the cross, you'd still be condemned to this very day.
Do you really think your physical attempts at fulfilling them is what fulfills them or what shows you not ugilty in God's eyes? No, its Jesus work on the cross that set you free.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Did you know that he used the word remember for the passover as well, but did that mean the passover command existed before sin? Even the command for the sabbath doesn't appear until Exodus 16, but even though something may have existed before sin that doesn't mean that it can't be a shadow. Consider Adam, he foreshadowed the messiah.
In fact the first creation foreshadowed the work of the new creation. The plan of salvation existed before sin, so it stands to reason everything ever done...
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
led up to the plan, spoke of the plan, revealed the plan. Even creation week.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
You have been told in the scriptures that the law was a shadow of the messiah, including the sabbath, and that the reality is JESUS. There was nothing given that didn't somehow foreshadow the work of Jesus, and something he would do.
Even when light was created, it foreshadowed how the light(jesus) would come into this dark world at a future time. My dear friend, you are missing out on so many treasure because of the teachings you have been given. Don't let anyone stop you from revealing...
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
these treasures.
The law and the prophets spoke of Jesus, everything in them led to something that would be fulfilled and done in the messiah so that you might be saved.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Amen. The Law was a schoolmaster pointing towards Christ. Gal 3:24-25
Brucev7 11 months ago
It sounds as though you believe that by keeping the letter you are obeying God, otherwise, there wouldn't be this division amongst those who believe they are keeping it, and those they don't think are keeping it; but remember what Jesus said? The priests profane the sabbath when they perform circumcision on that day but are blameless. David ate bread that wasn't lawful for him to eat, but he was blameless.....more
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
, and the disciples harvested food on the sabbath which wasn't lawful for them to do, but were blameless.
They weren't keeping the letter per say, but somehow they were blameless in God's eyes. How? Here were man that profaned the sabbath, but were held not guilty. How is this possible? This question may give you insight on how we, today, aren't guilty either for not keeping the letter.
God bless.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
This will reveal that while they appeared to be disobedient unto the letter, they were not disobedient unto God. I pray you will consider the implication of this. Obedience unto God may not exactly be what you think it is.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Amen. Under grace.
Brucev7 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim what is the text for Adam foreshadowing Jesus?
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1 1 Corinthians 15: 45-49We follow this sequence in Scripture: The First Adam received life, the Last Adam is a life-giving Spirit. Physical life comes first, then spiritual—a firm base shaped from the earth, a final completion coming out of heaven. The First Man was made out of earth, and people since then are earthy; the Second Man was made out of heaven, and people now can be heavenly. In the same way that we've worked from our earthy origins, let's embrace our heavenly ends.
Brucev7 11 months ago
@Brucev7 hey there thanks a lot. but i have to dissagree with the interpretation for a few Reasons. Yes Paul did compare Adam with Jesus but not as a Shadow of him, as well as the Sabbath and the holy matrimony also institutions that came out of the Garden after the first sin. But not to abolish neither of the 3, But just to show his audience the person of Jesus...
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1 Your views are not orthodox. Adam was a type, shadow, pointing towards Jesus Christ.
Brucev7 11 months ago
@Brucev7 The other reason is “Predestination” if you interpreted that this 3 institutions were shadows then that means God predestinated the sin and the suffering of the human being and that is not the God of love I know. Now think for a minute “did Adam and Eve have the free will to say no to the devil? And not falling...
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1 No, God is omniscient. He knew the choices that Eve and Adam would make and had a plan of redemption we see in His Word. He gives the gift of free will. Humans make their choices. But there is a plan of redemption. I am amazed at the lack of teaching in the churches on free will.
Brucev7 11 months ago
@Brucev7 If u answer yes then the plan to redeem the humans from the suffering of sin wouldn’t had never being implemented but their decision made the difference. The Sabbath the matrimony and Adam had the opportunity to remain “holy” and perfect for the eternity but that was not the case as u well knows...
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1 Preaching to the choir bro.
Brucev7 11 months ago
@Brucev7 So later on a spiritual meaning was given after the sin to these 3 institutions but not as shadows only to teach us a lesson nothing more, is not the Sabbath not Adam not the matrimony not the law that save us is Jesus and only him. Thanks
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim so now we can make images to worship them ? is that what u mean?
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim there was no need for him to say that if the Sabbath wasn't important for him. but of course the Sabbath point to the only true God the one that rested after the creation before there was any sin Jesus himself. or u belief that God pre-destineted the suffering that comes with the sin? or are u saying God made a defective and enslaver institution for us? something we can't keep even when there was no sin present at the Garden?
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim let me ask u a few things . what is Jesus doing now? do u believe there is a temple in heavens? if u answer yes to the last question what do you think u will find in that temple pease describe me thoes things. then i'll ask u a few more questions. after theses.
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim My position is that the New Testament does not nullify the Sabbath, but clarifies the Sabbath. Read Acts 7:38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us. 39 But our ancestors refused to obey him… 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit… see it is all over the Bible LIVING WORDS are u going to be like our ancestors?
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1
Bingo, it clarifies the sabbath. It reveals the true sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ. It also clarifies the rest of the law and shares to us the reality of that law, which is in Jesus Christ.
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as a murderer
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as a thief
Unless you are dead in Christ, you'll be seen as an adulterer, etc.
You'll never been see otherwise *just* because you don't think you do them.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim look what Paul said in Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
its in your heart but its there. he was paraphrasing from Jeremiah 31:31.
elmensagero1 11 months ago
@elmensagero1
And what did Jesus say to the Jews who were keeping the Sabbath? He told them they were actually BREAKING it! Why?
Because as Paul says, the purpose of the law is not to follow it to achieve our righteousness. The law was given to make us realize that we are sinful and cannot earn God's approval So we have to rely on His grace (Galatians 3:19).
Think about it. If we could follow the law, why would we need a Savior? We could just follow the law and not need Jesus at all.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
He's actually 100% correct according to what I've read and understand. To answer your question, yes we technically are still under the other 9 commandments and not the 4th, only because JESUS HIMSELF REPEATED AND COMMANDED THEM. The only time He ever said He was Lord of the Sabbath was when He was "breaking" it according to the Mosaic Law. "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a
g0andTelLy0urFriends 1 year ago
@g0andTelLy0urFriends
Jesus was not breaking the sabbath according to Mosaic law he was explaining to the Pharisees the correct interpretation of the sabbath because they were teachers of the law and were not abiding by the spirit of the law. Jesus did not do away with the ten commandments he taught about them. In Matthew 5:19 Jesus warns not to relax any of the law because those that do will have eternal consequences. In the context of the teaching he was talking about all ten.
Spurgeon687 1 year ago
so if we are done with the sabbath are u applaying the same rule to the other 9 cammandments? or just to one? so if i'm in Jesus's rest does that allows me to commit ADULTERY? James 4:4. here the commandment adultery has a spiritual meaning also, the church is God's is wife. but that doen't allow us to break the physical commandment, just like the sabbath. Jesus's rest is just a spiritual comparation, it doen't allow us to break the physical commandment nether. James 2: 10-12. thanks
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Open your eyes!
Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
We are DEAD to the law, dead to our sinful nature, dead to the commandments. We are DEAD to the past and have been raised with Christ to a new life.
If you choose to give up your new life and wallow in sin and death, that is your choice. But every day is the sabbath, because it is not our work, it is Christ's.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 you can read Romans7:12 that is Paul conclusion on the subject, do we apply the same rule to the other 9 C. since the Sabbath is no longer good then the other 9 C aren’t good either? U know that is absurd. Moses law came to reality in Christ but the 10 C including the Sabbath weren’t shadows of Christ at all, those were realities and they pointed the believer in the right track. Christ is our only source of spiritual rest and that rest u get it when u obbey God's commandments.
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Do you think the Jews wandered the desert for 40 years because they did such a good job following the law? Do you think Israel went into captivity in Egypt and Babylon because they followed the law? Do you think God allowed Israel to be occupied by Italy because of their faithfulness?
No, it was because the Jews repeatedly turned their back on God. But God never turned away from them, even laying down His life so that they (and we) may have life.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 well, that is true but when they turned their backs to the lord like u well said was due to what? what did they did to provoque him in anger? Isaiah 29:13 “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me.Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught. maybe they forgot to observe his commandments?? properly? Psalm 119:89-100 and 150-152 also read Jeremiah 31:33 is talking about the new pact right?
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Romans 7:12 is not the conclusion. You need to keep reading and not stop when you find what you want.
If you keep reading that passage, you'll see that it actually contradicts you, saying that the law is good but we are bad. Therefore, we cannot keep it.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.
It doesn't say he who follows the law. It says he who believes in the Son.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
You cannot treat God's commands as if they were some sort of test where you need to get at least 51% or God will be mad at you.
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans 3:27-28
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 I do agree with u. everything is kept by faith or did Jesus broke the law because he was under the law and not on the faith? no way he set the example for us if he was perfect we have to strive for the same with his help we can keep the commandments including the sabbath, but if u act like the israel did turning god's commandments in to human rules we are not going to suceed. the fact that we are under the faith does not give us permission or a justification to act like they did
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 no one is treating the commandments at 51%. and if God is mad at me for trying what is left for u that don't try?? that justifed yourself with our inperfect nature to avoid the commandments! or what "be holy like your father in heaventh is holy " mean to u? going around and saying that because i'm in the faith i can't keep his commantments? "no, is by faith in Jesus that we do it" read it in Deuteronomy 8:10 -18 Deuteronomy 30:10-14 "the law is in your heart" to obbey it.
elmensagero1 1 year ago
@elmensagero1
Sorry, those messages were not for you. But not that you've responded, I'll tell you the same I've told Spurgeon687.
Do you think we're able to obey? Then what about some 2,000 years of Jewish history where they proved over and over that they could not obey? Do you think that we're somehow better?
What do you think is the result of following the law? Do you think the law brings life? Then why did Paul say the law brings death (Romans 7:10)?
blueskunk12 1 year ago