Jesus as a man really existed. They couldn't have made the whole story up. Most of the stories were passed on by word of mouth. The early Christians were persecuted as we all know, so there may have been authentic documents written by real eyewitness that got destroyed or dismissed as heresy . We'll never know. I do think Jesus was real human figure though and he most certainly caused an upheaval in his society. Was he son of god? we'll never know.
"No one goes by the city that they were born in, they go by the city that they grew up in or lived in."
My point exactly!
Yes, Jesus did leave Bethlehem - but not as a new-born baby. When the wise men arrived, they worshipped the 'young child' - not an infant. Remember, Herod killed the childrend 2 and younger - likely his estimate of the age of the child.
You need to read the Bible more carefully.
BTW Luke's credibility as a historian has never been seriously questioned.
If Matthew and Luke wanted to create the false impression that Christ was born in Bethlehem, why do THEY also call Him Jesus of Nazareth? To be consistent, they should be calling Him Jesus of Bethlehem.
Why? Simple. He WAS both in Bethlehem. And He was simply referred to by where He had grown up.
What's the fuss?
Also, Luke's credentials as an accurate historian in all other areas certainly does not jive with a deliberate misrepresentation and/or memory loss concerning Christ's birth.
@greatgulffixed "If Matthew and Luke wanted to create the false impression that Christ was born in Bethlehem, why do THEY also call Him Jesus of Nazareth?"
Because he wasn't from Bethlehem, he was from Nazareth. No one goes by the city that they were born in, they go by the city that they grew up in or lived in. Matthew and Luke both say that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus left Bethlehem as soon as Jesus was born.
Luke isn't a credible historian. The census he talks about never happened.
THere were no such towns known as Bethlehem-Judea or Nazareth-Galilee. Nazareth, at the most, was a no-name village. More likely a single family farm or even a Roman agricultural estate.
@greatgulffixed Just because they exist TODAY doesn't mean they existed back then. Do some research into archaeology. You will find there was NO Bethlehem at the time of King Herod The Great, and Nazareth at the time of Yeshuah (pbuh) was at best a no-name hamlet.
This film shows pretty much what every respectable theology course teaches - and it can really shake the seminarians up. Ordinary believers, of course, don't read the bible and construct their own 'christianity' from their own prejudices.
Neitherter Bethlehem in Judea nor Nasareth existed in the purposed time of Jesus. None of the Gospel Writers were even familiar with the geograpy of the stories nor the Jewish customs, exept Matthew apparently. Then again the authors are unknown and the nemes where assigned to the books. It's all legend and fabrication.
Did you see the "Israeli" guard at :38? He looked more arab than the people he was checking I.Ds for. Oh, by the way these "Sephardim" Jews lived in arab countries (not like the white looking "Askenazim" from Europe and Russia) and spoke arabic and had a remarkably "arab" veiwpoint for being "Jewish". They are also treated as second class Israelis in Israel because of their background. I have first hand knoweledge of this from Askenazim. If Israel doesn't want to be persecuted it needs to stop.
@bheadh the "sepharadim" not deprived rights in israel, 50% of the the israeli parliament members are sepharadim, so it's not true to say they are second class israelis. but a lot of years, especially in the 50's, was snobbery between the ashkenazim and the sepharadim from the ashkenazim side.
Jesus as a man really existed. They couldn't have made the whole story up. Most of the stories were passed on by word of mouth. The early Christians were persecuted as we all know, so there may have been authentic documents written by real eyewitness that got destroyed or dismissed as heresy . We'll never know. I do think Jesus was real human figure though and he most certainly caused an upheaval in his society. Was he son of god? we'll never know.
mralanv 2 months ago
"No one goes by the city that they were born in, they go by the city that they grew up in or lived in."
My point exactly!
Yes, Jesus did leave Bethlehem - but not as a new-born baby. When the wise men arrived, they worshipped the 'young child' - not an infant. Remember, Herod killed the childrend 2 and younger - likely his estimate of the age of the child.
You need to read the Bible more carefully.
BTW Luke's credibility as a historian has never been seriously questioned.
greatgulffixed 2 months ago
If Matthew and Luke wanted to create the false impression that Christ was born in Bethlehem, why do THEY also call Him Jesus of Nazareth? To be consistent, they should be calling Him Jesus of Bethlehem.
Why? Simple. He WAS both in Bethlehem. And He was simply referred to by where He had grown up.
What's the fuss?
Also, Luke's credentials as an accurate historian in all other areas certainly does not jive with a deliberate misrepresentation and/or memory loss concerning Christ's birth.
greatgulffixed 2 months ago
@greatgulffixed "If Matthew and Luke wanted to create the false impression that Christ was born in Bethlehem, why do THEY also call Him Jesus of Nazareth?"
Because he wasn't from Bethlehem, he was from Nazareth. No one goes by the city that they were born in, they go by the city that they grew up in or lived in. Matthew and Luke both say that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus left Bethlehem as soon as Jesus was born.
Luke isn't a credible historian. The census he talks about never happened.
KayBeeEee1983 2 months ago in playlist History of Christianity
THere were no such towns known as Bethlehem-Judea or Nazareth-Galilee. Nazareth, at the most, was a no-name village. More likely a single family farm or even a Roman agricultural estate.
EdM021 3 months ago
@EdM021
Look at the map. There are rumours that people live in these make-believe towns. Apparently, you can even fly there!
Maybe you should buy yourself a ticket and check them out. :)
greatgulffixed 2 months ago
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@greatgulffixed Just because they exist TODAY doesn't mean they existed back then. Do some research into archaeology. You will find there was NO Bethlehem at the time of King Herod The Great, and Nazareth at the time of Yeshuah (pbuh) was at best a no-name hamlet.
EdM021 2 months ago
This film shows pretty much what every respectable theology course teaches - and it can really shake the seminarians up. Ordinary believers, of course, don't read the bible and construct their own 'christianity' from their own prejudices.
KapStuf 3 months ago
Neitherter Bethlehem in Judea nor Nasareth existed in the purposed time of Jesus. None of the Gospel Writers were even familiar with the geograpy of the stories nor the Jewish customs, exept Matthew apparently. Then again the authors are unknown and the nemes where assigned to the books. It's all legend and fabrication.
prakkari 4 months ago in playlist Fleiri vídeó frá MrAtheistChristian
Did you see the "Israeli" guard at :38? He looked more arab than the people he was checking I.Ds for. Oh, by the way these "Sephardim" Jews lived in arab countries (not like the white looking "Askenazim" from Europe and Russia) and spoke arabic and had a remarkably "arab" veiwpoint for being "Jewish". They are also treated as second class Israelis in Israel because of their background. I have first hand knoweledge of this from Askenazim. If Israel doesn't want to be persecuted it needs to stop.
bheadh 5 months ago
@bheadh the "sepharadim" not deprived rights in israel, 50% of the the israeli parliament members are sepharadim, so it's not true to say they are second class israelis. but a lot of years, especially in the 50's, was snobbery between the ashkenazim and the sepharadim from the ashkenazim side.
RSFCL 3 months ago
I searched for Jesus today he's harder to find than Waldo!! but I finally found him, he was behind the couch the whole time.... lmfao
MrArokOleary 7 months ago
ok. I cant prove that he lived except threw faith but I can prove what he has done for me in my life
eblack301 9 months ago
this is great!
MrJcostanza 10 months ago