You rube. You must still be in highschool. You can't prove the scientific method. It is based on assumptions and presuppositions. I actually only works with Christian theism as we know there is a God and science is real because He intends us to understand the universe. Your world view CANNOT prove science. That is why scientific naturalism is such an absurd joke and its disciples so foolish. They have blind faith in a system that can't account for its first beliefs.
@ChristianVoice08 If "god" intends for us to understand the universe.....why did He punish us for eatting of the Tree of KNOWLEDGE and why did He punish us for building a tower to the heavens (a great view for studying the universe) and then why did He confuse our languages so that we can't even understand each other, globally, to discuss it!?!?!????? I'd say anyone believing that a belief in god promotes science is the foolish one!
False. Adam was superintelligent, named all the animals and walked with God in the afternoon. He was NOT PUNISHED FOR "KNOWLEDGE"! He was punished for disobeying God seeking the knowledge of EVIL! Man brought corruption & evil into paradise. Knowledge is given us by God.
False 2- Babel was an EVIL attempt at man to be his own god & build a great one world government without God as leader. Every attempt at world domination by man has brought great evil. False premise>false conclusion
@ChristianVoice08 Naming animals and walking does NOT indicate intelligence. If Adam was NOT punished 4 knowledge why was THAT particular tree the one that was prohibited? It was the Tree of Knowledge of GOOD and evil...not JUST evil! So man created Satan? No? Did man have the power to stop Satan? No? I don't think it said anything about one world gov't and even IF they wanted 2 b LIKE God...isn't that what we're taught 2 STRIVE 4 by His Son (errr God Himself?)????
You're being an obnoxious idiot, dude. If you haven't read the Bible, say so. But the tree was NAMED "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL" NOT "KNOWLEDGE"!!!! Naming and visibly observing EVERY TYPE OF FAUNA is more of a biology education than ANY HUMAN IN HISTORY!
Also, Babel WAS AN ATTEMPT AT ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Again, your ignorance and lack of knowledge of the Bible undermines your sophmoric attempts at refuting it. So, go study and then come back.
@ChristianVoice08 I have read it more than once...and you? Oh ok so Adam was a botanist...nice apologetics. Science named all the flora n fauna AND the animals NOT Adam! If Adam was THAT advanced THAT early on then we would've surpassed ur god's intelligence generations ago! Where in the Bible does it say ANYTHING about One World Gov't???
I said FAUNA not FLORA, you arrogant sot. Fauna is ANIMALIA kingdom not plants. And if you haven't read and understand the account of the Tower of Babel as plainly as God presented it through Moses, there is nothing that I can say that will educate you. You don't understand what you are talking about and therefore are unqualified to debate the matters. Stick to non-Biblical arguments. You might not sound so ignorant and bitter.
@ChristianVoice08 I know what Flaura/Fauna means!! The point I MADE about that is that SCIENCE names all that stuff! Can u stay on subject or not? You haven't given me chapter and verse where it says one world government in the Bible AS U SAID it did! Why not? I am not the one sounding ignorant and bitter. Prove ur point instead of tryng to change the subject and slewing insults at me.
I don't have time for stupidity. You are trying to make me wrong about some little thing to deny the video. I could claim that Santy Claus is real right NOW and that would have no bearing on the validity and truth of the video. Clearly you can't refute the video and I don't have time for banter. It is MY CHANNEL not public content, SOOOO, Either post a formal argument with numbered premises or go bother someone else. Again, post only a formal argument or stop posting unfounded opinion
You believe men stood on the moon. If you told that to Adam, he'd have called you a liar. So, given that the incredibility of a truth is not reflective of the veracity of a truth, it doesn't matter! I'd go with Balaam's ass if I were making that fallacious argument. It doesn't make the argument true, but, sounds a lot more feasible, lol.
NO, contemporary reptiles do not talk. That does not mean that it is impossible for prior genus to speak. You are committing the fallacy of uniformitarianism (things always were as they are). This cannot be proven and to make a negative statement is foolish as no negative statement can be proven with certainty.
@ChristianVoice08 So if no negative statement (which is a double negative btw) can be proven with certainty, u MUST believe in everything YET DISproven like unicorns, leprachauns, big foot AND Santa Claus.
You lack of education is plain to all now. Modern grammer rules out double negatives but mathematics, logic and philosophy do not. It is common use in certain statements and arguments. Also, your claim is a fallacy in stupid attempt to make me wrong again after claiming that you aren't trying to do so. YOU HAVE NO CASE, NO ARGUMENT and no knowledge of what you are debating. Fare well.
They are clearly more intelligent than you. They were offered forbidden knowledge of evil by the one who brought evil into existence and they fell for it. You are a sinner who daily seeks to make himself his own god. You fell for the same lie. So how dare you call them names when they were superior to you??? They had no bad genes or alleles. They would have lived forever. They had never sinned or done anything wrong. They had children without a hospital or doctor. Who are you?
@ChristianVoice08 Ohhhh I'm not feelin that Xtian love from you at all! If Adam was SO SMART as u claim...why did he fall for it? How DARE I? I can say or call any myth whatever I want! And I have no need to make myself a god!!! Bad genes or alleles? What does that have to do with anything?? We have bad genes now? Many of our ancestors had children without doctors or hospitals.....SO WHAT!?
You did. So, why is he any dumber than you? And as for Christian love, it is displayed in my proper answer to you. If you come onto my channel being insulting and rude, don't think I am some sheep that will cower. My God sayd I can defend myself and faith in His Word. You have not made a valid or true argument. As I have refuted it, present another valid argument or go troll someone else.
@ChristianVoice08 I never said Adam was any dumber than myself but it doesn't matter cuz that's a myth. Our ancestors (ie cro magnon) were, in fact, dumber then we r now. You're channel? I thought this video was public? And I only returned rudeness BECUZ of rudeness! Tell me where I insulted you FIRST! I'm not a troll just cuz I'm arguing with u. I don't expect u to cower but ur not making any valid points imho.
No, you are denying the video and everything I say. Arguing requires ARGUMENTS be made. You have not made a single valid argument let alone a valid and true argument. You now have to prove that Genesis is a myth and that cromagnon skulls are totally human and not a simple variant of skulls of humans at that time.
@ChristianVoice08 Where in the Bible does it say one world government as u claimed? U have yet to show chapter n verse. I was, mostly denying what YOU said not the video and xpressing my opinion about the "opinions" given. I don't have to prove Genesis is myth...it's already BEEN proven and burden of proof is on U...the one claiming it's true! Cromagnon WAS human...again already proven!
Patently false. There is proof of global flooding all over. No one has disproved that. Your ignorance is astounding but also annoying. Please, just go read some real books and do some thinking. Right now everything you say proves your lack of knowledge and indoctrination. I have no desire to debate you when you are incapable of debating the issues. Go research for yourself. Stop watching videos and get an education from books. Then we can talk.
Not sure the comment you are countering. But, WE USE LOGIC! No one here has presented a logical argument that refutes this video, let alone a valid and true argument. We use logic, reason and fact to come to our conclusions. We admit to our presuppositions and epistemology. You need to cite your epistemological foundation and a proof of your claim that we are not being logical, Greg. We understand that you lack proof of your claims, don't have a foundation for your beliefs and
Yes, we do! He is the only God to manifest Himself over 6000 years. His prophecies have been all true and He stood behind His claims by raising the dead, healing the sick and RAISING HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD and DEFYING GRAVITY by ascending into heaven in front of hundreds of witnesses.
You boob, lol. You are evangelizing right now!!! Atheism has killed more millions than the Catholic Church and kings, yet, you keep posting your anti-religion propaganda on a Christian theist channel that OPPOSES OPPRESSIVE RELIGION AND THE MINGLING OF RELIGION WITH GOVERNMENT! You're either a moron or just don't understand what you are talking about. Wake up! We oppose religions that murder! You are not speaking about Biblical Christians! So preach somewhere else!
We're not evangellizing. We're thinking. Since thinking is discouraged by christianity, it WOULD look unfamiliar to you, and therefore you would mistake it for something else.
Thank you for proving my argument soundly. Your evangelical post including your anti-Christian propaganda is more than enough evidence for the rational person to draw their own conclusion. Thanks, Dude.
If there is no god then people need to know that.And morality is not supernatural. It's common sense that you shouldn't go around killing people because those people will try to kill you and you'll be miserable and a fugitive and an outcast. And your family will suffer because you can't provide for them when you are a fugitive. It's also more fun .
Atheist tell people there is no god because people who are taught there is god believe that atheist are immoral.ThatWhyAtheistStandUpForTheTruth.
FALSE! According to your world view, if there is NO God, then, Nothing matters and people should be left to whatever arbitrary meaning or myth they choose. They need not know there is no God and it matters NOTHING in your world view. Give a valid argument showing that they NEED TO KNOW if there is no God AND a VALID argument proving your claim that there IS NO God. So, far, all you do is CLAIM "facts not in evidence"! Put up or shut up.
I'm heartily sorry that you think I'm a troll, and I'd ask all viewers to review my comments to decide if I've been disrespectful.
It seems as if you've switched the topic of conversation from "Why don't atheists proselytize?" to "What is the empirical proof that there is no God?".
I freely admit that there is no empirical 'proof' that there is no God. My point is that this is no way makes Atheism invalid: There's no proof against dragons, but that's not evidence that they exist.
Now for your claim, it TOTALLY makes atheism INVALID when there is NO evidence. You are preaching a blind faith. That is the worst kind of religion and it is absolutely immoral to spread a claim you cannot prove that has no evidence. Your claim against us is wrong as we have evidence and reasonable claims. You aren't even the pot calling the kettle black. You are the counterfeit calling the genuine a liar. I hope you realize the self-contradictory nature of your arguments, Fiver.
I must beg your pardon, but what claim am I making that has no evidence? Who did I call a liar? Please quote me, and I'll be glad to correct any misconceptions...
Pardon granted. You claimed that you had truth and were spreading the truth whilst missionaries or Christians going door to door had no right to do so as they were not. See you oldest posts for the exact wording, Fiver. It was the one to which I responded with the Firefighter analogy.
16Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
perhaps you are right atheist should believe in the bible.
Jason, you only prove your ignorance by this MISQUOTATION! This is not a condoning of killing babies BUT a prophecy against the Babylonian empire or cult thereof. You omitted quoting the entire passage which says "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." It states that men will rejoice in the destruction of Babylon.
That is a lie, Jason. Either you are stupid or you are intentionally lying about the meaning of the passage. Either way, I don't care. I don't have time for the willingly blind or fools. Go peddle your bull on the ignorant.
Atheists are usually devoted to the truth, and this is why they try to spread their beliefs.
Having said that, they generally also respect free-thought. That's why they take debates instead of going from door to door, like so many Christians do.
Fiver, if you are devoted to the truth, then, why are you claiming there is no God without any proof or the hope of ever being able to prove that claim. That seems hardly truth spreading to me.
Going door to door is admirable when you are in the business of saving loves. Ask any firefighter!
Because even if you can't disprove the ridiculous suggestions that some people make, you can still be 'sure enough' that you want to help others.
For example, if the leader of the Jim Jones cult claims to be God, you can't really disprove that, can you? And yet... would you try to stop people from following him?
As for your analogy, firefighters are entirely right to overpower somebody and force them to leave their home. Now... could missionaries do this? My point is that the analogy is bad.
That's CRAP, Fiver. TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE. If you have truth and know it, then, it is factual. You are making a total bogus claim based on NOTHING but your opinion. That is what we call cult thinking! Cults tell you to have blind faith and disregard evidence to believe what they tell you to believe without evidence. You are acting like a Mormon using cults as an explanation. What a pathetic joke. Firefighters DO NOT have the right to assault people. State law prohibits what you claim as a FELONY
I'd like to note that you didn't answer my questions.
But I must defend my honor on what I say: if a house is burning, firefighters truly do have every right to (a) break into somebody's house without their permission and (b) forcibly remove them (for example, if they're unconcious). I'm not sure what claim I'm making that you think is 'bogus' but I sincerely apologize for any offense I may have given.
My point was to show the difference between firefighters and missionaries.
a. FF entry is not breaking & entering by legal definition
b. Removal of unconscious or mentally imparied people IS NOT forcible assault
You were wrong. FFs are required by law to leave people alone unless they are clearly unconscious or mentally impaired. That is why it is ILLEGAL to force people to evacuate their personal home even in emergencies! Missionaries do the same. They warn the occupants of danger and withdraw WITHOUT forcing the occupants to do anything. Fiver,Bad argument
What the hell does THIS guy know about US? We speak the obvious truth and are just trying to enlighten people. We are trying to make you understand you are hypnotized because we care that you are crazily wasting so much of your lives.
Then you are as brainwahsed as we are because IF there is no God NOTHING MATTERS, Viva. Are you such a fool as to be blind to the fact that if there is no God there is nothing meaningful in life and we can spend our lives picking tulips or dancing madly in a pig pen. ALL selfactualizations of our lives would be equally valid. Your evangellism ONLY works if there is a God. And if there is a God, your claims are then false.
Ethically I believe it is my duty to help spread the word of the possibility of a cleaner and less ridiculous life. The world would be a nicer place to live if there were more atheists. We fight against stupidity.
You are stupid if you believe that. That's assinine. THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG...SO...WE MUST ALL STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!!!
At least you are in good atheist company with your stupidity. Other atheists from history made that selfrefuting claim with equal passion demonstrating such patent stupidity and blindness, viva. THERE IS NO CLEAN life in your world view. You are BORROWING from my world view to call something stupid, wrong or clean. Your claim is selfrefuting and stupid.
Who says there is no right or wrong, numb skull? There is no intrinsic harm in worshiping some sky daddy but when you insist on pushing it down people's throats, start wars using your religion as your excuse and generally obstruct the quest for reason in schools and government...well, THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Viva, NO ONE has forced God down your throat. You came to me. I didn't go to you. So, your conclusion is false given a false premise. You appear to be the numb skull. No one makes you bow NOW. In future, evil me will make you bow to the coming world religion which will probably tie into Al Gore's new (really old paganism) climate religion. They will arrest you for not paying tithes on your breathing and will kill you if you refuse the religion. Christians don't force you to do anything.
Very true. Moral words like good, bad, right and wrong become some what meaningless because they are all subjective to the culture, time etc. This doesn't mean there is a God, but it does shatter certain athiestic arguments. I am not sure if a God does exist... The more I look into it however, the more I tend to believe.
I have. Upon reading the Bible its self and reading the work of many great thinkers such as Ravi Zacharias and Josh Mcdowell, and watching these kinds of insightful videos, I have found it impossible to turn away from Christianity. Thanks for making the videos. When I left those last comments I was right on the edge of full belief, now, after putting these beliefs to the test, I am there.
Eternal! Do you REALLY think that anything we measely humans can do in this blink of an eye we call life can justify infinite suffering? There is nothing that can be done in this universe that would justify such mind blowing savagery. The simple belief that such a thing might be justified is far worse than what happened on 9/11. There are good people you are claiming to do this to! Gandhi! Plato! Maybe even Catholics like Mother Teresa! You should be ashamed for thinking this justifiable.
YES. By definition, God is infinite, Sin against God is against an Infinite, ERGO, the smallest sin is an infinite act. Infinite acts of evil deserve infinite punishment. If they do NOT receive an equal punishment, then, you would accuse God of not being just. He is just, SO, the punishment fits the crime, Alio. You have to look at the whole issue not isolated questions without applying the definitions and facts of the whole debate.
Exactly. It doesn't matter who the supposed "crime" was against. We are measly little infinitesimally meaningless beings to an infinite God, nothing we could do to him would rate severe punishment, let alone infinite punishment.
Besides, doing an evil against a person entails hurting them in some way, we obviously can't hurt an infinite God so we can't have merited punishment.
NO. You are cursing the God Who created you and being insolent to Him Who gave you life and think that that is cool. YOU would not tolerate such from your pet dog, but, you want to make God evil merely for being God. You HAVE NOT refuted my logical explanation of Hell and punishment. I am right and you are avoiding the truth. ANY act against an Infinite Being is of infinite merit or malfeasance by definition. Such an act has infinite consequence. You know that if you wrong God, it deserves hell
And just look at your ridiculous implications! "the smallest sin [...] deserve infinite punishment". Preposterous. You mean to tell me that I deserve the same punishment as Hitler? Don't you know what that means? It makes all his his horrific crimes against humanity the same as a 10 year old dying with skepticism. Your version of God's morality is completely insane!
We cannot differentiate the infinite punishment of Hitler from the infinite punishment for your sins as Infinite is always equal to infinity. Hitler will, in my opinion, suffer more as he will be tormented by his actions and relive his errors. But, why differentiate. Your sins and mine deserve hell by definition. Any act regardless of size. You continue to ignore that God made provision that you would have to do NOTHING to avoid hell. How fair is that, Alio?
We were all in yr shoes until we made our decision for Christ. We live by the guidelines that u refuse 2, thats all. Everyone is on a level playing feils. No is better than any1 else. He is using me right now to try & win yr soul, yr insults are not coming at me, they are coming at Him because if He were not in me, I would just be another SELF-INDULGENT FOOL, fulfilling my own desires & wouldn't give yr soul a second thought. It is not I who lives but Christ who lives in me...Gal.2:20
Thats right, I refuse to believe that my poor old saintly grandmother is going to burn in eternity for having made the mistake of being born a Catholic. I refuse to believe that people who are not horrified with a God that could create such an abomination as Hell could have any reward for this belief after death.
"fulfilling my own desires"
Ignorance. Statistics show that atheists ACT more morally than theists.
You can't be born Catholic. You choose Catholicism. Is there a "Catholic Gene" now??? LOL
MILLIONS of people have read the Bible, realized the heresies of Catholicism and left that cult forever. Ever heard of the Protestant Reformation??? They realized the errors and loved God enough to seek Him out and obey His Word. My grandmother was Catholic and I worry that I did not remind her enough of the errors of Catholicism. She may be in hell tonight, Alio. I blame me but she had a choice as do we
History disagree, the vast majority of the world has always been raised in the belief they were raised in.
"you would have to do NOTHING to avoid hell"
Believing in something is doing nothing now?
"Have u ever witnessed a 3 or4 month old baby have a tantrum."
Tantrums are sinful now? What world do you all live in? in civilized society children are not held accountable because they have yet to be taught and mature. You hold INFANTS accountable!
My father was raised Catholic. HE IS NOT NOW A CATHOLIC. Your claim is proven false as I only need a SINGLE example of a person who did not accept the sociallization of catholicism. Alio, Stick to the facts. You are dodging the issue. Your heart has told you the truth and the discomfort is causing you to run. Quit running. We aren't buying the excuses.
Hey, what kind of drugs are you tripping on? You have been coming back with some pretty multiple-personality remarks? & what's the concern for yr granny, she's dead. You should be a little more concerned about u. Even yr catholic Bible tells you that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the Living God. Infant tantrums unchecked turn out 2 b 24 yr old impudent jack*sses always looking for attention even if it's negative. Yr channel makes u look very lonely, come back when yr a man! God Bless!!
Yr grandma was not "born a catholic" she was born in2 a family that already lived by that faith & they brot her up in it. But if yr grandma new Jesus Christ in her heart & loved Him, why would she not go to heaven?God reads the heart. It means living 4 "here& now' with no eternal consequence considered.
God gave us the guidelines 4 morality in the Law. Atheist don't believe there is a God, so wher do they get ther moral code? Every1 makes their own rules & u have "moral chaos" like now!!
Maybe because she prayed to Mary too much, don't ask me I couldn't care less about religious infighting. The point is that she just as easily could have been a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or any other type of infidel. There are good, kind and wise people who are daily sentenced to eternal torment for not being born to the right family.
This is not in-fighting. You cannot put ANYONE between you and God. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to God but by Him. Anytime you pray to anyone but God, you are creating a false religion with a false god. That is a sin against God and an effront to His Sovereignty. He said there is no other god. You cannot spit in the face of Jesus and think it is not evil. God is worthy of praise and owns us. If you deprive God of YOU, you are robbing God of that which belongs to Him.
You have no clue. I don't curse, I don't steal, I don't smoke/drink/do drugs, heck, I don't even consume caffeine except in chocolate! I'm waiting to get married before I have sex, I work in a library helping poor people find jobs, I am dedicating my life to improving American society, I drive an efficient car, I don't eat beef because cows pollute too much, I can't recall more than a handful of people in my life who have taken morality as seriously as I have.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Your sin here is blasphemy. You are claiming that you are good on your own merits. Only God is good on His own. So, you are here taking the place of God claiming that your own selfrighteousness is good enough to pass some test of holiness, Alio. But, Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Every single person on the planet is born with a sin nature. Have u ever witnessed a 3 or4 month old baby have a tantrum. & yes they do, I had 2. They learn very fast that crying gets them ,ie: diaper changed, fed, held,played with. The od 1 gets spoiled by always being held & when u put em down...Freak show! If u Xs that by size u would have "murderous rage" adult size. "sin nature". U sound like a very nice person, but what wuld we tell the 1s that can't do what u have done?God Bless!!
It doesn't take reading a holy book to figure out that coercion is an evil. It takes very little thinking to realize that the heaven vs hell choice is coercive in nature.
IF a God exists and he is good and reasonable and cares about us he is NOT the one of the bible. A good God would recognize the value of reason and skepticism. Even if he did desire our belief a good God would realize that the honest skeptic is much more moral than the coward who "believes" in God for fear of punishment.
FALSE. A warning of impending death is not coercion when we remind you that YOU make the choice not us. Go to hell, Alio. NO ONE is stopping you. If you are afraid of Hell them my warning is well taken and worth giving. However, God is not coming off the throne for you individually. YOU make every EXCUSE in the book to ignore Him and reject Him. He will not waste time on you. You want Him to not exist regardless of the evidence. Also, we have FREEDOM in God. YOU are a slave to sin.
So if a mobster tell's me that if I don't believe in his protection I might get hurt it isn't coercion right?
If God exists than we are playing by HIS rules, it is HE who created eternal torment. Can you even get ur mind around the concept of ETERNAL torment? Of coarse not, it is beyond human comprehension. Its levels of magnitude beyond any sadism that humans can muster. The existence of hell alone is enough to disprove a good god.
FALSE. You are comparing apples to oranges. GOD isn't threatening to kill you. He is warning you of the outcome of YOUR EVIL! We are not going to kill you. We escaped death and are warning you as to how you can escape death. YOU chose hell. YOU are sending YOU to hell. Hell locks from the inside. God is just and has no choice but to punish evil, Alio. If He did not punish evil in kind, He would be evil and unjust.
Never said he was, he wants to do something infinitely worse. He wants to keep me alive and torture me infinitely! Death would be MUCH more welcome them what your God has in store! You know what? If I DID believe in God I would seriously consider refusing to go to heaven out of rebellion against the tyranny of the most horrid unrelenting oppression imaginable! He could have determined to punish us for 100 years, maybe 100, but ETERNALY? Its madness!
U are standing in defense of evil. Hell was made 4 EVIL. God Himself bought yr soul with His Blood. Every soul that ever lived was bought so not 1 "HAS 2" go 2 HELL. If u want 2 stand & shake yr fist at God like HE built it just 4 u, then u deserve to go there because that is "PURE EVIL" thinking. Be very careful, we r convicted by the words of our mouths & u have just condemned yrself 2 a place that was NEVER MEANT 4 man. Man sinned willingly, so willingly he MUST turn from it. God Bless!!
If God wanted me to believe so I can go to heaven he has the power to show me proof any time. You would say that this would take away my gift of free will or that I wouldn't be having faith if I had proof, right? Well If I had free will and am given the choice of heaven or hell am I really being given a choice? Religion makes a mockery of the term "freedom". And faith is far from a positive attribute. Faith has lead to witch trials, Galileo's abuse and jihad.
He ALREADY GAVE YOU PROOF. You refused it. He has no more obligation. If you will not accept the 66 books He gave and study them and question them, then, you will not accept evidence if God appeared to you. You are willfully blind, Alio.
He gave me conflicting "PROOF" then because your 66 books certainly aren't the only religious text or arguments around. The Flying Spaghetti monster game me the same quality of proof.
"You are willfully blind"
Ohh really? So I am willfully committing myself to eternal torment, yeah thats exactly what I am doing. How ridiculous is it for you to bend common sense so much that you would think that I would willingly be going to hell?
False. We gave you the 66 books that prove the Christian God. We don't waste time with ALL the myriad of books like the Koran which SELF-REFUTE! Why would we encourage you to read books that contradict themselves??? You are willfully blind, Alio. No one but you and satan wants you to go to Hell. God came in the flesh and suffered INFINITE humiliation, suffering AND mortal death to redeem you to Himself and you say He is evil. Shame on you, you ingrate!
I delete posts that slander, libel or ad hominem my guests, Alio. You caught me in no pinch. On the contrary, you have had no valid and true rebuttal to my videos. You simply resorted to the usual ad hominem fallacy because you can't refute the argument in the video.
Atheists may have killed, but NOT in the name of Atheism. There is no Atheist dogma that demands non-atheists be killed. There is much blood letting demanded from the Bible and the Qu'ran, which is why many have killed trying to obey their dogma.
You don't have to invoke a name to be wrong, Sonic. We are not talking about doctrines but the actual byproduct of the world view being fleshed out in populations. Atheists killed more than 100 million people IN PEACE TIMES and they were their own people. That is bloodier than Catholics and Muslims. How dare you blame Biblical Christians for the bloodshed caused by cultists and atheists. NO mass murder has EVER been conducted by Christians in the name of Jesus.
I think the response to that was put best by Steven Weinberg:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Yes Atheists kill, but not in the name of Atheism. In fact all secular law prohibits killing, unlike religious law.
Not sure why you group cults with Atheism, a cult is just a religion without tax exemption.
Weinberg is either a liar or a fool. But, you are lying to yourself. You think you can justify and exonerate the atheist from murder and you can't. You are truly a cult member in a death cult and you will drink the Koolaid when the time comes. I do not welcome your comments any more. You simply will claim anything and twist it in your mind to prove something subjective to yourself, Sonic. Farewell.
Every religion is "man's sad attempt to reach up to God", "Grace" is God reaching down to man. It is only by the "GRACE of God" that man does not need to perish in his sin. Who was He calling "hypocrites"? Not His followers, but the "religous leaders". Not their LAW because He Himself gave them that thru Moses. But they had perverted it by twisting it to suit their personal needs, be it power or comfort. Still do today! Try Jesus, He works with u, 1on1. He makes me feel very SPECIAL. God Bless!!
I presented my evidence, you don't like it, fair enough I'll have to do better. But not until you prove you didn't worship Satan last night. You can't have it all your way, CV.
Sonic, you haven't provided any evidence for your claim. Now you are using the "leftee's" favorite argument used in "Expelled". Are crystals involved, pray tell??? LOL
Satan is not god nor do I pray to satan. he hates Jesus after turning on Him. If you don't know the difference in luciferian doctrine and Christian doctrine then you speak to your own embarrassment. Still, I await your "so-called" proof.
If I weere a satanist like Bertrand Russell and other "professing atheists" I would be agreeing with you, Sonic. You poor souls are the dupes of the satanists and theosophists attack on Christianity. You are pawns in a game to bring about world religion and world governnance and you are too hung up on your biases to realize the abuse of yourselves.
CV8, you haven't proved you're not a Satanist and I haven't proved there isn't a God. I think we have stalemate.
I don't know about being a pawn in a world conspiracy or being hung up on biases, but if you genuinely believe that the bible is perfect, without contradiction and Zombie-Jesus awaits you in an eternal paradise afterlife, you knock yourself out. I hope someday you out that all you got from your faith was a feeling of self-satisfaction. Remember me when you do. :-)
False. lusiferian doctrine is dipole to Christianity. If you knew cult and masonry, you would know that, Sonic. I cannot debate you as you are too ignorant of religion, history and logic. You are making excuses and stupid challenges that you foolishly think are clever. Please, don't post any more.
I caught you out in your own foolish logic, CV8. i.e., trying to prove something not to be so. I couldn't prove their isn't a God, you can't prove you're not a Satanist and you haven't even tried. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because you've had your own tricks used against you.
That is bull, Sonic. Maybe in your selfdeluded mind you make some stupid point. But you don't know enough about satanic doctrine to tell who I worship. So, leave me be. You are so selfdeluded you can think yourself clever no matter what stupidity comes out of your mouth. You are a fool by definition. I hope God will give you more chances at repentence before you die.
It is bull, you are right CV08, but Sonic agrees it is bull too. His point is not to make you out as a Satanist, it is to show that claiming God exists and you know his attributes is the same quality of bull. They are both impossible to disprove and they both make no sense.
False. Now he intends to tell me the nature, quality and verifiability of my personal experience. That is more bull. My claims are not bull. I have proven that I do not worship satan and all he can do is demonstrate his ignorance of religion and logic? No intelligent life there...
God's existence makes perfect sense & is the only LOGICAL explanation for all that is. God speaks to us of things in the Bible that man had not yet had any knowledge of & wouldn't for many yrs 2 come. Instead of exploring the Glory of God" with science, man tries to use it to disprove God's existence. & u will try & tell me that isn't Biblical proof when God said they would do it before they did? 80% of all scientists r still alive 2day. Don't pin eternal life on it, you'll loose! God Bless!!
No PROOF required. If you do not see the internal contradictions in atheism and other world views, no explanation of ours will make you accept fact. God's existence grounds reality, science, logic, and morality. NO OTHER world view can boast that foundation. They either have no anchor or their anchor does not anchor good values but potentially evil ones. Please, show how atheism is logical and proves ANY epistemology, Alio.
"Please, show how atheism is logical and proves ANY epistemology, Alio."
Logical: If I don't know the origins of the universe or even if that knowledge will ever be attainable it is still logical to disbelieve in the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of universe creation because there is no evidence for such an extraordinary claim. The claim for the existence of any other God is just as ridiculous. You might whole heatedly believe in your myths but no more so than the ancient Greeks.
That does not show ANY logic in atheism, Alio. Atheism is not a logical world view. It is the ANTITHESIS to a world view. It answers NO questions about life, provides NO proof of anything and denies logic, science and epistemology.
"Atheism is not a logical world view. It is the ANTITHESIS to a world view."
Damn straight! And you are an atheist to plenty of religions too!
Why can you not understand that the bible is nothing special? You claim it doesn't have contradictions and all other religions do but ALL the religions say that! Don't you see a pattern in that? Don't you ever wonder why Muslims see contradictions in the bible but NEVER in the Koran? It is blind faith, just like yours.
FALSE, Alio. You don't get that you just refuted your whole argument. Atheism is not an answer. It is a denial that destroys EVERYTHING, science, religion, thought, reality. Why do so many atheists ask Christian apologists if they exist or how can they know that they really exist? They know that atheism followed to its logical conclusion removes absolute knowing. They can't even know if they exist or if this is all some illusion...
Every religion on earth is based on small portions of the Holy Bible, but very few adhere 2 it in its entirety. When u compare, u can almost see what parts they had. Religion is a big money maker, after all Jesus did tell us to give our all, & the churches take full advantage of all the right words. I think God would rather u take a hobo out & feed him with $20. than give $100,000 to a church. Read the first 4 chapters of Rev. Letters 2 the 7churches. Very interesting reading & compare.
"& u will try & tell me that isn't Biblical proof when God said they would do it before they did?"
Just like how you just predicted I would tell you the bible is not proof of God! Amazing! You must have been divinely inspired to write that here on Youtube! You must be a prophet!
Alio, you have not presented a counterargument. You deny the 66 books without being able to refute them all. Ergo, YOU ARE ignoring the evidence for God because of BIAS NOT FACT. He said that you would do that and that HE WOULD NOT provide further eviidence for you as you reject the primary evidence that He provided. Convenient, maybe, BUT HE IS GOD. He gets to decide on His evidence to you, not us Christians. We are prophets & priests, BTW. You would know that if you read the Bible.
"We are prophets & priests, BTW. You would know that if you read the Bible."
You would know that is circular logic if you thought about it a little. You are asserting that the bible is right, which makes us right, and we know the bible is right because we are right.
Look, there is nothing that is special about your religion. To a neutral arbiter your religious world view is just as silly as any other. For example, an all loving being would be eternally tortured if 1 single person went to hell.
Thank u! U proven my point again. & actually, I would be a prophetess if I was one, but I'm not. I just study my Bible & you would do better & u wouldn't b so negative if u studied it with an open mind & heart. Yr choice. Yr consequences. BIBLE=Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. More PROOF4 God? JOY= Jesus, Others & You. Can't get real JOY until u live in that order. Humanity is sinful & in need of redemption. Jesus is our Redeemer & He can be yrs 2. God Bless!!
"u wouldn't b so negative if u studied it with an open mind & heart."
I am not supposed to be negative when I find out that a God will punish me not for a million years, not for a billion, but for all eternity if i don't figure out not only which one he is out of thousands but then also exactly what he wants me to do or be or believe out of contradictory interpretations? Also, why did God create me indignant to the idea of coerced belief if he practices it? Maybe he wants me in Hell, i dunno.
"JOY= Jesus, Others & You. Can't get real JOY until u live in that order."
How do you know? I in fact have had plenty of joy in my life, thank you very much.
"Humanity is sinful & in need of redemption."
Does that include 1 day old infants?
Look, you guys are thinking about this all wrong. Even if I WANTED to believe in God I couldn't because it just doesn't jive with reality. I can no more cease to believe in gravity and my existence than I can start believing in God.
"Atheistic Materialism". What kind of pseudo-scientific nonsense is this? Gibberish!
Atheism isn't evangelised. It's simply the arguement that evidence belief is more sensible, honest and practical than faith based belief.
Religion is a product. A crappy death insurance that bills you in this life for a claimed reward when you die. I'll keep my premiums and you go sell your death insurance somewhere else.
That is apologetics, Sonic. That is evangelism. If atheism were true, then, all opinions (world views) would be equally valid as nothing matters and there would be no eternal consequence for behavior. Ergo, you would have no reason to dispute theism. Atheism is a religion. Watch my video.
Plus, you are wrong about salvation. We do nothing for it & are certainly not billed for it! It is the FREE gift of God! If we could earn it, we would be gods.
Sorry, but I'm not an apologist for atheism, in fact the term is far more accurately applied to yourself. Evidence based belief is greater than faith based belief as it is based on fact. You're defending the indefensible simply because you believe yourself to be right. Not based on any evidence you are right.
Atheism is not a religion as it does not require faith or the supernatural. In fact it rejects both as being without evidence to confirm them.
Yes, you are, Sonic. You just gave reasons for why you are an atheist & why you should post in favor of atheism. That is apology. You are defending the indefensible position. I have 66 books, logical AND scientific necessity for a Creator God, personal experience with Him, healings from God that can't be explained medically. YOU have NOTHING to prove that there is no God. You CANNOT prove a negative. Therefore, YOU, not I, are standing in the mud claiming solid ground. You have blind faith
Providing reason and explanation is not apologising, it is explaining.
My position is not indefensible as it is evidence based and if new evidence appears, my position may change in line with the new evidence if I am convinced by it. On the other hand, your position is fixed 2000 years ago with the bible, assuming you believe the bible is true?
Here you just show your ignorance. APOLOGEA from Greek MEANS to give a reason or answer for something. IT DOES NOT mean to say you are sorry as the modern CONNOTATION is. I meanse to give literally "to give a word" but actually to give reason or logic for something. You are apologizing for atheism. Now give empirical evidence that proves there is no God or admit your error, Sonic.
I'm not showing ignorance at all. You are simply playing with semantics. Thanks for the definition of APOLOGEA, but you accused me of indulging in apologetics and evangelism. I am doing neither. Theism has dogma that requires apologism, atheism is evidence based and is free to move with new evidence. If God appeared tomorrow and proved himself with miracles, I would have been presented with the evidence of a supreme being, and I would believe. Based on the evidence!
He already did that and you refuse to believe the accounts of eyewitnesses. That is why He already said of you that you would not believe even if He returned from the dead. There is evidence and you reject it out of hand without a legitimate excuse.
As for apologetics, you are doing apologetics whether you like it or not, Sonic. If you want to be a consistent atheist, quit speaking against other world views as in atheism, ALL world views and opinions are equally valid.
The evidence is insufficient. I'm not speaking AGAINST anything. I'm just asking for proof for your claim of God. I would ask all religions for the same proof.
Given that there is similar "proof" for most religions, how did you manage to pick the "right" one and reject Islam, for example?
Read the 66 books that talk about God. If you want to know God, YOU CAN KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, Sonic. I don't have to prove anything to someone who is looking for truth. However, as you intentionally DO NOT want to know God, you want to ignore Him, NO proof that I offer beyond the 66 books will matter. You will dismiss it no matter how solid it is. You are denying God in spite of evidence. You are being dishonest when you claim to be merely skeptical of His existence. No dice, Sonic.
As stated before, ALL WORLD RELIGIONS self-contradict on the very nature of God. Only Christianity presents a soilid theology that has NO internal contradictions. It stands alone. That is why you aren't out attacking buddhists. The Quran contradicts itself so much it isn't even funny. The Vedic writings are not comparable to the Bible books and are as meaningless and self contradictory as the musings of a madman. They revel in contradiction. No theology compares to Judaism (Christianity).
You want me to prove that God does not exist? Easy! There is no evidence that a supernatural God exists outside of the deluded minds of victims of religious indoctrination. Therefore God cannot be shown to exists, therefore he does not exist. Now I jumped through your hoop, here's one for you:
YOU prove YOU did not worship Satan last night. Please list your evidence formally, CV.
FALSE, Sonic. You are not presenting a true statement or a proof statement. THIS IS YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATION of reality NOT true at all. So, You DON'T have any evidence that there is no God, just your blind faith that we are all crazy and you are sane... LOL.
Present some valid evidence or admit that you are making this stuff up and don't have a real argument against God, Sonic.
What was untrue about my statement? That there is no evidence for a supernatural God? Present it. How am I biased? I am merely positioning myself in line with the available evidence (i.e. none) of the existance of God. If more evidence appears, I'll change my position. I'm quite flexible on this.
I don't say you're crazy at all, you're just gullible. You've bought a product that doesn't exist. And like all the people who admired the emporer's new clothes, you're too scared to admit it.
There are miracles, 66 books, eyewitnesses who know God, archaeological evidence and scientific evidence for God. You are stating a patently false conclusion. It is just your opinion. You can disregard the evidence for God, but, it exists absolutely and unequivocally, Sonic. So, present your evidence that there is no God or admit you simply don't want to accept the evidence for God.
You ask for evidence of something that does not exist. I tell you why I am convinced it does not exist and ask for your evidence to prove it does. You say "miracles and books". You mean the "tooth fairy leaving money" miracle? The Harry Potter books? What miracles and what books? Archaeological and evidence? You wish, name it! Scientific evidence? Pseudo-science doesn't count, but let's hear it.
No, Sonic, that is false. The EYEWITNESS Accounts of the New Testament are VALID historical accounts. They are not comparable to myth. Myths don't identify the kings or governers in office at the time of the myth. Read L'Morte d'Arthur and see if a single king is mentioned. Archaeology supports the New & Old Testament books. They even found Sodom & Gomorrah. But, you don't want to see that. You want to ignore the evidence with fallacious comparisons rather than facts.
Sodom and Gomorrah: Isn' t that where Lot offered up his virgin daughters for gang rape to spare his visitors the same fate? (Genesis 19) But I digress... In places the historical accuracy of the bible is very poor indeed! Here's an example: In 1 Chronicles: 29:7. King David collects ten thousand drams (or darics) for the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. Only darics were coins named after King Darius I who lived over 500 years after David. Care to explain this error?
FALSE, Darius is a TITLE not a specific king. If you had studied ancient history or at least the Mede and Persian empires, you would know that. Even some of the history channel shows have mentioned that fact. Who fought the battle of Kadesh, Sonic???
Atheists are evangelical because they are standing up for their beliefs after years of either having to hide in the closet or be ridiculed by the community. Christian values are accepted as a part of every person's life regardless of their faith(or lack thereof). Children ages 5-18 in every American public school must pledge their allegiance every day to not only their country, but to "God" as well. You may not understand this, depending on where you live, but Atheists see it as ignorance to the
You clearly can't see your the hypocrisy, Dude. If there is no God, then, pledging allegiance to the flag with only AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the God Who is ifentified as the Grantor and Guarantor of our rights, is not offensive at all. It would be the equivalent of tipping your hat at a token symbol. The ONLY WAY that having to acknowledge God is upsetting to atheists is that they know He exists. If He didn't, they would not be bothered by a token symbol of nothing...
Hmmm, you're right, most current professing atheists in the spotlight are closet pantheists, New Agers, or occultists. They certainly wouldn't qualify as materialists. Their position will be more open and clear once they usher in NeoPaganism or the old pagan myths after having declared there is no God for so long. But, by then, you will all be too deeply invested in the company lie to break camp with the 'patriots' of atheism.
Dawkins attends church and says the jury is still out on his spirituality. Wake up and watch out for those propogandist manuipulating you for their own ends, Joe.
@gregrutz
You rube. You must still be in highschool. You can't prove the scientific method. It is based on assumptions and presuppositions. I actually only works with Christian theism as we know there is a God and science is real because He intends us to understand the universe. Your world view CANNOT prove science. That is why scientific naturalism is such an absurd joke and its disciples so foolish. They have blind faith in a system that can't account for its first beliefs.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 If "god" intends for us to understand the universe.....why did He punish us for eatting of the Tree of KNOWLEDGE and why did He punish us for building a tower to the heavens (a great view for studying the universe) and then why did He confuse our languages so that we can't even understand each other, globally, to discuss it!?!?!????? I'd say anyone believing that a belief in god promotes science is the foolish one!
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
False. Adam was superintelligent, named all the animals and walked with God in the afternoon. He was NOT PUNISHED FOR "KNOWLEDGE"! He was punished for disobeying God seeking the knowledge of EVIL! Man brought corruption & evil into paradise. Knowledge is given us by God.
False 2- Babel was an EVIL attempt at man to be his own god & build a great one world government without God as leader. Every attempt at world domination by man has brought great evil. False premise>false conclusion
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Naming animals and walking does NOT indicate intelligence. If Adam was NOT punished 4 knowledge why was THAT particular tree the one that was prohibited? It was the Tree of Knowledge of GOOD and evil...not JUST evil! So man created Satan? No? Did man have the power to stop Satan? No? I don't think it said anything about one world gov't and even IF they wanted 2 b LIKE God...isn't that what we're taught 2 STRIVE 4 by His Son (errr God Himself?)????
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
You're being an obnoxious idiot, dude. If you haven't read the Bible, say so. But the tree was NAMED "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL" NOT "KNOWLEDGE"!!!! Naming and visibly observing EVERY TYPE OF FAUNA is more of a biology education than ANY HUMAN IN HISTORY!
Also, Babel WAS AN ATTEMPT AT ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Again, your ignorance and lack of knowledge of the Bible undermines your sophmoric attempts at refuting it. So, go study and then come back.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 I have read it more than once...and you? Oh ok so Adam was a botanist...nice apologetics. Science named all the flora n fauna AND the animals NOT Adam! If Adam was THAT advanced THAT early on then we would've surpassed ur god's intelligence generations ago! Where in the Bible does it say ANYTHING about One World Gov't???
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
I said FAUNA not FLORA, you arrogant sot. Fauna is ANIMALIA kingdom not plants. And if you haven't read and understand the account of the Tower of Babel as plainly as God presented it through Moses, there is nothing that I can say that will educate you. You don't understand what you are talking about and therefore are unqualified to debate the matters. Stick to non-Biblical arguments. You might not sound so ignorant and bitter.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 I know what Flaura/Fauna means!! The point I MADE about that is that SCIENCE names all that stuff! Can u stay on subject or not? You haven't given me chapter and verse where it says one world government in the Bible AS U SAID it did! Why not? I am not the one sounding ignorant and bitter. Prove ur point instead of tryng to change the subject and slewing insults at me.
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
I don't have time for stupidity. You are trying to make me wrong about some little thing to deny the video. I could claim that Santy Claus is real right NOW and that would have no bearing on the validity and truth of the video. Clearly you can't refute the video and I don't have time for banter. It is MY CHANNEL not public content, SOOOO, Either post a formal argument with numbered premises or go bother someone else. Again, post only a formal argument or stop posting unfounded opinion
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Btw, I'm NOT a dude!
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
Sorry, dudette.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Furthermore, Adam believed Eve that a talking snake told her to eat the apple....without even questioning it!?! Intelligent???
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
Again, you know NOTHING about the Bible and feebly attempt to refute it based on the ignorant rantings of the uneducated.
1. SERPENT not snake.
2. WERE YOU THERE???
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 So a talking serpent vs. a snake makes the fact that this is AN ANIMAL TALKING somehow easier to believe 4 u??? Were YOU there?!???
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
You believe men stood on the moon. If you told that to Adam, he'd have called you a liar. So, given that the incredibility of a truth is not reflective of the veracity of a truth, it doesn't matter! I'd go with Balaam's ass if I were making that fallacious argument. It doesn't make the argument true, but, sounds a lot more feasible, lol.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 I don't get what ur point was here. Snakes NOR serpents talk...THAT's a fact.
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
NO, contemporary reptiles do not talk. That does not mean that it is impossible for prior genus to speak. You are committing the fallacy of uniformitarianism (things always were as they are). This cannot be proven and to make a negative statement is foolish as no negative statement can be proven with certainty.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 So if no negative statement (which is a double negative btw) can be proven with certainty, u MUST believe in everything YET DISproven like unicorns, leprachauns, big foot AND Santa Claus.
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
You lack of education is plain to all now. Modern grammer rules out double negatives but mathematics, logic and philosophy do not. It is common use in certain statements and arguments. Also, your claim is a fallacy in stupid attempt to make me wrong again after claiming that you aren't trying to do so. YOU HAVE NO CASE, NO ARGUMENT and no knowledge of what you are debating. Fare well.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@julzabro
They are clearly more intelligent than you. They were offered forbidden knowledge of evil by the one who brought evil into existence and they fell for it. You are a sinner who daily seeks to make himself his own god. You fell for the same lie. So how dare you call them names when they were superior to you??? They had no bad genes or alleles. They would have lived forever. They had never sinned or done anything wrong. They had children without a hospital or doctor. Who are you?
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Ohhhh I'm not feelin that Xtian love from you at all! If Adam was SO SMART as u claim...why did he fall for it? How DARE I? I can say or call any myth whatever I want! And I have no need to make myself a god!!! Bad genes or alleles? What does that have to do with anything?? We have bad genes now? Many of our ancestors had children without doctors or hospitals.....SO WHAT!?
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
You did. So, why is he any dumber than you? And as for Christian love, it is displayed in my proper answer to you. If you come onto my channel being insulting and rude, don't think I am some sheep that will cower. My God sayd I can defend myself and faith in His Word. You have not made a valid or true argument. As I have refuted it, present another valid argument or go troll someone else.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 I never said Adam was any dumber than myself but it doesn't matter cuz that's a myth. Our ancestors (ie cro magnon) were, in fact, dumber then we r now. You're channel? I thought this video was public? And I only returned rudeness BECUZ of rudeness! Tell me where I insulted you FIRST! I'm not a troll just cuz I'm arguing with u. I don't expect u to cower but ur not making any valid points imho.
julzabro 1 year ago
@julzabro
No, you are denying the video and everything I say. Arguing requires ARGUMENTS be made. You have not made a single valid argument let alone a valid and true argument. You now have to prove that Genesis is a myth and that cromagnon skulls are totally human and not a simple variant of skulls of humans at that time.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Where in the Bible does it say one world government as u claimed? U have yet to show chapter n verse. I was, mostly denying what YOU said not the video and xpressing my opinion about the "opinions" given. I don't have to prove Genesis is myth...it's already BEEN proven and burden of proof is on U...the one claiming it's true! Cromagnon WAS human...again already proven!
julzabro 1 year ago
Truth, there was no global flood. Proven fact. Proven by christian scientists.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
Patently false. There is proof of global flooding all over. No one has disproved that. Your ignorance is astounding but also annoying. Please, just go read some real books and do some thinking. Right now everything you say proves your lack of knowledge and indoctrination. I have no desire to debate you when you are incapable of debating the issues. Go research for yourself. Stop watching videos and get an education from books. Then we can talk.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
''all world views are of equal value.'' WTF? People still use logic, something creationists don't understand.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
Not sure the comment you are countering. But, WE USE LOGIC! No one here has presented a logical argument that refutes this video, let alone a valid and true argument. We use logic, reason and fact to come to our conclusions. We admit to our presuppositions and epistemology. You need to cite your epistemological foundation and a proof of your claim that we are not being logical, Greg. We understand that you lack proof of your claims, don't have a foundation for your beliefs and
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 You don't have proof that your God is the right God.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
Yes, we do! He is the only God to manifest Himself over 6000 years. His prophecies have been all true and He stood behind His claims by raising the dead, healing the sick and RAISING HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD and DEFYING GRAVITY by ascending into heaven in front of hundreds of witnesses.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@gregrutz
CONT
and never admit to your bias or presuppositions. In your world view, ALL WORLD VIEWS ARE EQUAL as none can be proven.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
we r not evangelising, we r coming in resistance to a dangous fashist organisation and its evil killers.
robot014 1 year ago
@robot014
You boob, lol. You are evangelizing right now!!! Atheism has killed more millions than the Catholic Church and kings, yet, you keep posting your anti-religion propaganda on a Christian theist channel that OPPOSES OPPRESSIVE RELIGION AND THE MINGLING OF RELIGION WITH GOVERNMENT! You're either a moron or just don't understand what you are talking about. Wake up! We oppose religions that murder! You are not speaking about Biblical Christians! So preach somewhere else!
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
We're not evangellizing. We're thinking. Since thinking is discouraged by christianity, it WOULD look unfamiliar to you, and therefore you would mistake it for something else.
dave4248 1 year ago
@dave4248
Thank you for proving my argument soundly. Your evangelical post including your anti-Christian propaganda is more than enough evidence for the rational person to draw their own conclusion. Thanks, Dude.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
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@ChristianVoice08,
//////more than enough evidence for the rational person to draw their own conclusion.////
Oh yeah, you guys are SO rational. It's rational to believe in something you can't see, hear or touch. Yeah, that's real "rational."
dave4248 1 year ago
If there is no god then people need to know that.And morality is not supernatural. It's common sense that you shouldn't go around killing people because those people will try to kill you and you'll be miserable and a fugitive and an outcast. And your family will suffer because you can't provide for them when you are a fugitive. It's also more fun .
Atheist tell people there is no god because people who are taught there is god believe that atheist are immoral.ThatWhyAtheistStandUpForTheTruth.
jjason55740 1 year ago
@jjason55740
FALSE! According to your world view, if there is NO God, then, Nothing matters and people should be left to whatever arbitrary meaning or myth they choose. They need not know there is no God and it matters NOTHING in your world view. Give a valid argument showing that they NEED TO KNOW if there is no God AND a VALID argument proving your claim that there IS NO God. So, far, all you do is CLAIM "facts not in evidence"! Put up or shut up.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Why do you think that if there is no God nothing matters?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
Why do you think anything matters if you are a statistically anomaly? Why is your life of any importance?
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
I'm heartily sorry that you think I'm a troll, and I'd ask all viewers to review my comments to decide if I've been disrespectful.
It seems as if you've switched the topic of conversation from "Why don't atheists proselytize?" to "What is the empirical proof that there is no God?".
I freely admit that there is no empirical 'proof' that there is no God. My point is that this is no way makes Atheism invalid: There's no proof against dragons, but that's not evidence that they exist.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
Fiver, if you are not trying to troll, I beg your forgiveness and withdraw the accusation.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Now for your claim, it TOTALLY makes atheism INVALID when there is NO evidence. You are preaching a blind faith. That is the worst kind of religion and it is absolutely immoral to spread a claim you cannot prove that has no evidence. Your claim against us is wrong as we have evidence and reasonable claims. You aren't even the pot calling the kettle black. You are the counterfeit calling the genuine a liar. I hope you realize the self-contradictory nature of your arguments, Fiver.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I must beg your pardon, but what claim am I making that has no evidence? Who did I call a liar? Please quote me, and I'll be glad to correct any misconceptions...
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
Pardon granted. You claimed that you had truth and were spreading the truth whilst missionaries or Christians going door to door had no right to do so as they were not. See you oldest posts for the exact wording, Fiver. It was the one to which I responded with the Firefighter analogy.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I certainly never said that Christians had no right to go door to door.
Nor did I claim to have the truth.
Nor did I call anybody a liar, as you accused me when you said "You are the counterfeit calling the genuine a liar."
I'm sorry, but you offend my honor by putting these words in my mouth.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
@ChristianVoice08
I fail to see calling atheism a religion is proof of intelligent design.
Calling atheism a blind faith is like saying "Atheist are stupid just like us".
jjason55740 1 year ago
@jjason55740
Do you have a valid argument or just another bad atheist simile???
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08 Psalm 137:9 (King James Version)
9Blessed shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
2 Kings 15:16 (King James Version)
16Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
perhaps you are right atheist should believe in the bible.
jjason55740 1 year ago
@jjason55740
Jason, you only prove your ignorance by this MISQUOTATION! This is not a condoning of killing babies BUT a prophecy against the Babylonian empire or cult thereof. You omitted quoting the entire passage which says "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." It states that men will rejoice in the destruction of Babylon.
You would make a great cult member!
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
@ChristianVoice08
lol in most translation it says "BLESSED" shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us."
The bible is saying that the people "Gods chosen people" are blessed for dashing children against stones.
jjason55740 1 year ago
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That is a lie, Jason. Either you are stupid or you are intentionally lying about the meaning of the passage. Either way, I don't care. I don't have time for the willingly blind or fools. Go peddle your bull on the ignorant.
ChristianVoice08 1 year ago
Atheists are usually devoted to the truth, and this is why they try to spread their beliefs.
Having said that, they generally also respect free-thought. That's why they take debates instead of going from door to door, like so many Christians do.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
Fiver, if you are devoted to the truth, then, why are you claiming there is no God without any proof or the hope of ever being able to prove that claim. That seems hardly truth spreading to me.
Going door to door is admirable when you are in the business of saving loves. Ask any firefighter!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Because even if you can't disprove the ridiculous suggestions that some people make, you can still be 'sure enough' that you want to help others.
For example, if the leader of the Jim Jones cult claims to be God, you can't really disprove that, can you? And yet... would you try to stop people from following him?
As for your analogy, firefighters are entirely right to overpower somebody and force them to leave their home. Now... could missionaries do this? My point is that the analogy is bad.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
That's CRAP, Fiver. TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE. If you have truth and know it, then, it is factual. You are making a total bogus claim based on NOTHING but your opinion. That is what we call cult thinking! Cults tell you to have blind faith and disregard evidence to believe what they tell you to believe without evidence. You are acting like a Mormon using cults as an explanation. What a pathetic joke. Firefighters DO NOT have the right to assault people. State law prohibits what you claim as a FELONY
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I'd like to note that you didn't answer my questions.
But I must defend my honor on what I say: if a house is burning, firefighters truly do have every right to (a) break into somebody's house without their permission and (b) forcibly remove them (for example, if they're unconcious). I'm not sure what claim I'm making that you think is 'bogus' but I sincerely apologize for any offense I may have given.
My point was to show the difference between firefighters and missionaries.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
a. FF entry is not breaking & entering by legal definition
b. Removal of unconscious or mentally imparied people IS NOT forcible assault
You were wrong. FFs are required by law to leave people alone unless they are clearly unconscious or mentally impaired. That is why it is ILLEGAL to force people to evacuate their personal home even in emergencies! Missionaries do the same. They warn the occupants of danger and withdraw WITHOUT forcing the occupants to do anything. Fiver,Bad argument
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
What the hell does THIS guy know about US? We speak the obvious truth and are just trying to enlighten people. We are trying to make you understand you are hypnotized because we care that you are crazily wasting so much of your lives.
vivalaleta 2 years ago
Then you are as brainwahsed as we are because IF there is no God NOTHING MATTERS, Viva. Are you such a fool as to be blind to the fact that if there is no God there is nothing meaningful in life and we can spend our lives picking tulips or dancing madly in a pig pen. ALL selfactualizations of our lives would be equally valid. Your evangellism ONLY works if there is a God. And if there is a God, your claims are then false.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Ethically I believe it is my duty to help spread the word of the possibility of a cleaner and less ridiculous life. The world would be a nicer place to live if there were more atheists. We fight against stupidity.
vivalaleta 2 years ago
You are stupid if you believe that. That's assinine. THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG...SO...WE MUST ALL STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!!!
At least you are in good atheist company with your stupidity. Other atheists from history made that selfrefuting claim with equal passion demonstrating such patent stupidity and blindness, viva. THERE IS NO CLEAN life in your world view. You are BORROWING from my world view to call something stupid, wrong or clean. Your claim is selfrefuting and stupid.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Who says there is no right or wrong, numb skull? There is no intrinsic harm in worshiping some sky daddy but when you insist on pushing it down people's throats, start wars using your religion as your excuse and generally obstruct the quest for reason in schools and government...well, THAT'S what I'm talking about.
vivalaleta 2 years ago
Viva, NO ONE has forced God down your throat. You came to me. I didn't go to you. So, your conclusion is false given a false premise. You appear to be the numb skull. No one makes you bow NOW. In future, evil me will make you bow to the coming world religion which will probably tie into Al Gore's new (really old paganism) climate religion. They will arrest you for not paying tithes on your breathing and will kill you if you refuse the religion. Christians don't force you to do anything.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Very true. Moral words like good, bad, right and wrong become some what meaningless because they are all subjective to the culture, time etc. This doesn't mean there is a God, but it does shatter certain athiestic arguments. I am not sure if a God does exist... The more I look into it however, the more I tend to believe.
CommonmanVideos 2 years ago
I pray that you will continue to investigate the matter, Commonman.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I have. Upon reading the Bible its self and reading the work of many great thinkers such as Ravi Zacharias and Josh Mcdowell, and watching these kinds of insightful videos, I have found it impossible to turn away from Christianity. Thanks for making the videos. When I left those last comments I was right on the edge of full belief, now, after putting these beliefs to the test, I am there.
CommonmanVideos 2 years ago
Praise Jesus. What a gift you have given me with this news. God bless you and keep you.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Thanks!
CommonmanVideos 2 years ago
Eternal! Do you REALLY think that anything we measely humans can do in this blink of an eye we call life can justify infinite suffering? There is nothing that can be done in this universe that would justify such mind blowing savagery. The simple belief that such a thing might be justified is far worse than what happened on 9/11. There are good people you are claiming to do this to! Gandhi! Plato! Maybe even Catholics like Mother Teresa! You should be ashamed for thinking this justifiable.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
YES. By definition, God is infinite, Sin against God is against an Infinite, ERGO, the smallest sin is an infinite act. Infinite acts of evil deserve infinite punishment. If they do NOT receive an equal punishment, then, you would accuse God of not being just. He is just, SO, the punishment fits the crime, Alio. You have to look at the whole issue not isolated questions without applying the definitions and facts of the whole debate.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"the punishment fits the crime"
Exactly. It doesn't matter who the supposed "crime" was against. We are measly little infinitesimally meaningless beings to an infinite God, nothing we could do to him would rate severe punishment, let alone infinite punishment.
Besides, doing an evil against a person entails hurting them in some way, we obviously can't hurt an infinite God so we can't have merited punishment.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
NO. You are cursing the God Who created you and being insolent to Him Who gave you life and think that that is cool. YOU would not tolerate such from your pet dog, but, you want to make God evil merely for being God. You HAVE NOT refuted my logical explanation of Hell and punishment. I am right and you are avoiding the truth. ANY act against an Infinite Being is of infinite merit or malfeasance by definition. Such an act has infinite consequence. You know that if you wrong God, it deserves hell
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
And just look at your ridiculous implications! "the smallest sin [...] deserve infinite punishment". Preposterous. You mean to tell me that I deserve the same punishment as Hitler? Don't you know what that means? It makes all his his horrific crimes against humanity the same as a 10 year old dying with skepticism. Your version of God's morality is completely insane!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
INFINITE IS INFINITE
We cannot differentiate the infinite punishment of Hitler from the infinite punishment for your sins as Infinite is always equal to infinity. Hitler will, in my opinion, suffer more as he will be tormented by his actions and relive his errors. But, why differentiate. Your sins and mine deserve hell by definition. Any act regardless of size. You continue to ignore that God made provision that you would have to do NOTHING to avoid hell. How fair is that, Alio?
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"If you don't believe in God why do you feel the need to evangelize atheism?"
Here are a few reasons:
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
These are but a droplet in the ocean of insults and hatred preached about me. Wouldn't you argue against their belief if you were in my shoes?
Aliothemage 2 years ago
We were all in yr shoes until we made our decision for Christ. We live by the guidelines that u refuse 2, thats all. Everyone is on a level playing feils. No is better than any1 else. He is using me right now to try & win yr soul, yr insults are not coming at me, they are coming at Him because if He were not in me, I would just be another SELF-INDULGENT FOOL, fulfilling my own desires & wouldn't give yr soul a second thought. It is not I who lives but Christ who lives in me...Gal.2:20
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
"We live by the guidelines that u refuse 2"
Thats right, I refuse to believe that my poor old saintly grandmother is going to burn in eternity for having made the mistake of being born a Catholic. I refuse to believe that people who are not horrified with a God that could create such an abomination as Hell could have any reward for this belief after death.
"fulfilling my own desires"
Ignorance. Statistics show that atheists ACT more morally than theists.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
You can't be born Catholic. You choose Catholicism. Is there a "Catholic Gene" now??? LOL
MILLIONS of people have read the Bible, realized the heresies of Catholicism and left that cult forever. Ever heard of the Protestant Reformation??? They realized the errors and loved God enough to seek Him out and obey His Word. My grandmother was Catholic and I worry that I did not remind her enough of the errors of Catholicism. She may be in hell tonight, Alio. I blame me but she had a choice as do we
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"You can't be born Catholic."
History disagree, the vast majority of the world has always been raised in the belief they were raised in.
"you would have to do NOTHING to avoid hell"
Believing in something is doing nothing now?
"Have u ever witnessed a 3 or4 month old baby have a tantrum."
Tantrums are sinful now? What world do you all live in? in civilized society children are not held accountable because they have yet to be taught and mature. You hold INFANTS accountable!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
My father was raised Catholic. HE IS NOT NOW A CATHOLIC. Your claim is proven false as I only need a SINGLE example of a person who did not accept the sociallization of catholicism. Alio, Stick to the facts. You are dodging the issue. Your heart has told you the truth and the discomfort is causing you to run. Quit running. We aren't buying the excuses.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Hey, what kind of drugs are you tripping on? You have been coming back with some pretty multiple-personality remarks? & what's the concern for yr granny, she's dead. You should be a little more concerned about u. Even yr catholic Bible tells you that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the Living God. Infant tantrums unchecked turn out 2 b 24 yr old impudent jack*sses always looking for attention even if it's negative. Yr channel makes u look very lonely, come back when yr a man! God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
Yr grandma was not "born a catholic" she was born in2 a family that already lived by that faith & they brot her up in it. But if yr grandma new Jesus Christ in her heart & loved Him, why would she not go to heaven?God reads the heart. It means living 4 "here& now' with no eternal consequence considered.
God gave us the guidelines 4 morality in the Law. Atheist don't believe there is a God, so wher do they get ther moral code? Every1 makes their own rules & u have "moral chaos" like now!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
"why would she not go to heaven?"
Maybe because she prayed to Mary too much, don't ask me I couldn't care less about religious infighting. The point is that she just as easily could have been a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or any other type of infidel. There are good, kind and wise people who are daily sentenced to eternal torment for not being born to the right family.
What religions were you two raised in?
Aliothemage 2 years ago
This is not in-fighting. You cannot put ANYONE between you and God. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to God but by Him. Anytime you pray to anyone but God, you are creating a false religion with a false god. That is a sin against God and an effront to His Sovereignty. He said there is no other god. You cannot spit in the face of Jesus and think it is not evil. God is worthy of praise and owns us. If you deprive God of YOU, you are robbing God of that which belongs to Him.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"SELF-INDULGENT FOOL"
You have no clue. I don't curse, I don't steal, I don't smoke/drink/do drugs, heck, I don't even consume caffeine except in chocolate! I'm waiting to get married before I have sex, I work in a library helping poor people find jobs, I am dedicating my life to improving American society, I drive an efficient car, I don't eat beef because cows pollute too much, I can't recall more than a handful of people in my life who have taken morality as seriously as I have.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Your sin here is blasphemy. You are claiming that you are good on your own merits. Only God is good on His own. So, you are here taking the place of God claiming that your own selfrighteousness is good enough to pass some test of holiness, Alio. But, Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Every single person on the planet is born with a sin nature. Have u ever witnessed a 3 or4 month old baby have a tantrum. & yes they do, I had 2. They learn very fast that crying gets them ,ie: diaper changed, fed, held,played with. The od 1 gets spoiled by always being held & when u put em down...Freak show! If u Xs that by size u would have "murderous rage" adult size. "sin nature". U sound like a very nice person, but what wuld we tell the 1s that can't do what u have done?God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
It doesn't take reading a holy book to figure out that coercion is an evil. It takes very little thinking to realize that the heaven vs hell choice is coercive in nature.
IF a God exists and he is good and reasonable and cares about us he is NOT the one of the bible. A good God would recognize the value of reason and skepticism. Even if he did desire our belief a good God would realize that the honest skeptic is much more moral than the coward who "believes" in God for fear of punishment.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
FALSE. A warning of impending death is not coercion when we remind you that YOU make the choice not us. Go to hell, Alio. NO ONE is stopping you. If you are afraid of Hell them my warning is well taken and worth giving. However, God is not coming off the throne for you individually. YOU make every EXCUSE in the book to ignore Him and reject Him. He will not waste time on you. You want Him to not exist regardless of the evidence. Also, we have FREEDOM in God. YOU are a slave to sin.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"A warning of impending death is not coercion"
So if a mobster tell's me that if I don't believe in his protection I might get hurt it isn't coercion right?
If God exists than we are playing by HIS rules, it is HE who created eternal torment. Can you even get ur mind around the concept of ETERNAL torment? Of coarse not, it is beyond human comprehension. Its levels of magnitude beyond any sadism that humans can muster. The existence of hell alone is enough to disprove a good god.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
FALSE. You are comparing apples to oranges. GOD isn't threatening to kill you. He is warning you of the outcome of YOUR EVIL! We are not going to kill you. We escaped death and are warning you as to how you can escape death. YOU chose hell. YOU are sending YOU to hell. Hell locks from the inside. God is just and has no choice but to punish evil, Alio. If He did not punish evil in kind, He would be evil and unjust.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"GOD isn't threatening to kill you."
Never said he was, he wants to do something infinitely worse. He wants to keep me alive and torture me infinitely! Death would be MUCH more welcome them what your God has in store! You know what? If I DID believe in God I would seriously consider refusing to go to heaven out of rebellion against the tyranny of the most horrid unrelenting oppression imaginable! He could have determined to punish us for 100 years, maybe 100, but ETERNALY? Its madness!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
U are standing in defense of evil. Hell was made 4 EVIL. God Himself bought yr soul with His Blood. Every soul that ever lived was bought so not 1 "HAS 2" go 2 HELL. If u want 2 stand & shake yr fist at God like HE built it just 4 u, then u deserve to go there because that is "PURE EVIL" thinking. Be very careful, we r convicted by the words of our mouths & u have just condemned yrself 2 a place that was NEVER MEANT 4 man. Man sinned willingly, so willingly he MUST turn from it. God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
If God wanted me to believe so I can go to heaven he has the power to show me proof any time. You would say that this would take away my gift of free will or that I wouldn't be having faith if I had proof, right? Well If I had free will and am given the choice of heaven or hell am I really being given a choice? Religion makes a mockery of the term "freedom". And faith is far from a positive attribute. Faith has lead to witch trials, Galileo's abuse and jihad.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
He ALREADY GAVE YOU PROOF. You refused it. He has no more obligation. If you will not accept the 66 books He gave and study them and question them, then, you will not accept evidence if God appeared to you. You are willfully blind, Alio.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"He ALREADY GAVE YOU PROOF"
He gave me conflicting "PROOF" then because your 66 books certainly aren't the only religious text or arguments around. The Flying Spaghetti monster game me the same quality of proof.
"You are willfully blind"
Ohh really? So I am willfully committing myself to eternal torment, yeah thats exactly what I am doing. How ridiculous is it for you to bend common sense so much that you would think that I would willingly be going to hell?
Aliothemage 2 years ago
False. We gave you the 66 books that prove the Christian God. We don't waste time with ALL the myriad of books like the Koran which SELF-REFUTE! Why would we encourage you to read books that contradict themselves??? You are willfully blind, Alio. No one but you and satan wants you to go to Hell. God came in the flesh and suffered INFINITE humiliation, suffering AND mortal death to redeem you to Himself and you say He is evil. Shame on you, you ingrate!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I delete posts that slander, libel or ad hominem my guests, Alio. You caught me in no pinch. On the contrary, you have had no valid and true rebuttal to my videos. You simply resorted to the usual ad hominem fallacy because you can't refute the argument in the video.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
God may not be real, but the damage its done to the world is. That is why atheists try to convince others of their beliefs.
smoketwojoints42O 2 years ago
Atheism has killed more millions of people than Catholicism which is not Christian. So, should we eliminate atheists and communists, Smoke?
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Atheists may have killed, but NOT in the name of Atheism. There is no Atheist dogma that demands non-atheists be killed. There is much blood letting demanded from the Bible and the Qu'ran, which is why many have killed trying to obey their dogma.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
You don't have to invoke a name to be wrong, Sonic. We are not talking about doctrines but the actual byproduct of the world view being fleshed out in populations. Atheists killed more than 100 million people IN PEACE TIMES and they were their own people. That is bloodier than Catholics and Muslims. How dare you blame Biblical Christians for the bloodshed caused by cultists and atheists. NO mass murder has EVER been conducted by Christians in the name of Jesus.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I think the response to that was put best by Steven Weinberg:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Yes Atheists kill, but not in the name of Atheism. In fact all secular law prohibits killing, unlike religious law.
Not sure why you group cults with Atheism, a cult is just a religion without tax exemption.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Weinberg is either a liar or a fool. But, you are lying to yourself. You think you can justify and exonerate the atheist from murder and you can't. You are truly a cult member in a death cult and you will drink the Koolaid when the time comes. I do not welcome your comments any more. You simply will claim anything and twist it in your mind to prove something subjective to yourself, Sonic. Farewell.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Every religion is "man's sad attempt to reach up to God", "Grace" is God reaching down to man. It is only by the "GRACE of God" that man does not need to perish in his sin. Who was He calling "hypocrites"? Not His followers, but the "religous leaders". Not their LAW because He Himself gave them that thru Moses. But they had perverted it by twisting it to suit their personal needs, be it power or comfort. Still do today! Try Jesus, He works with u, 1on1. He makes me feel very SPECIAL. God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
I presented my evidence, you don't like it, fair enough I'll have to do better. But not until you prove you didn't worship Satan last night. You can't have it all your way, CV.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Sonic, you haven't provided any evidence for your claim. Now you are using the "leftee's" favorite argument used in "Expelled". Are crystals involved, pray tell??? LOL
Satan is not god nor do I pray to satan. he hates Jesus after turning on Him. If you don't know the difference in luciferian doctrine and Christian doctrine then you speak to your own embarrassment. Still, I await your "so-called" proof.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I can't see my responses appearing. I hope they have, please don't think I'm ignoring you.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Some seem to lag like there is a time delay on posts, Sonic.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Still waiting for proof you're not a Satanist, CV! ;-)
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
If I weere a satanist like Bertrand Russell and other "professing atheists" I would be agreeing with you, Sonic. You poor souls are the dupes of the satanists and theosophists attack on Christianity. You are pawns in a game to bring about world religion and world governnance and you are too hung up on your biases to realize the abuse of yourselves.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
CV8, you haven't proved you're not a Satanist and I haven't proved there isn't a God. I think we have stalemate.
I don't know about being a pawn in a world conspiracy or being hung up on biases, but if you genuinely believe that the bible is perfect, without contradiction and Zombie-Jesus awaits you in an eternal paradise afterlife, you knock yourself out. I hope someday you out that all you got from your faith was a feeling of self-satisfaction. Remember me when you do. :-)
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
False. lusiferian doctrine is dipole to Christianity. If you knew cult and masonry, you would know that, Sonic. I cannot debate you as you are too ignorant of religion, history and logic. You are making excuses and stupid challenges that you foolishly think are clever. Please, don't post any more.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I caught you out in your own foolish logic, CV8. i.e., trying to prove something not to be so. I couldn't prove their isn't a God, you can't prove you're not a Satanist and you haven't even tried. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because you've had your own tricks used against you.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
That is bull, Sonic. Maybe in your selfdeluded mind you make some stupid point. But you don't know enough about satanic doctrine to tell who I worship. So, leave me be. You are so selfdeluded you can think yourself clever no matter what stupidity comes out of your mouth. You are a fool by definition. I hope God will give you more chances at repentence before you die.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
It is bull, you are right CV08, but Sonic agrees it is bull too. His point is not to make you out as a Satanist, it is to show that claiming God exists and you know his attributes is the same quality of bull. They are both impossible to disprove and they both make no sense.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
False. Now he intends to tell me the nature, quality and verifiability of my personal experience. That is more bull. My claims are not bull. I have proven that I do not worship satan and all he can do is demonstrate his ignorance of religion and logic? No intelligent life there...
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
God's existence makes perfect sense & is the only LOGICAL explanation for all that is. God speaks to us of things in the Bible that man had not yet had any knowledge of & wouldn't for many yrs 2 come. Instead of exploring the Glory of God" with science, man tries to use it to disprove God's existence. & u will try & tell me that isn't Biblical proof when God said they would do it before they did? 80% of all scientists r still alive 2day. Don't pin eternal life on it, you'll loose! God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
"God's existence makes perfect sense & is the only LOGICAL explanation for all that is."
Nice assertion, got proof?
"God speaks to us of things in the Bible that man had not yet had any knowledge of & wouldn't for many yrs 2 come."
Like Nostradamus, the oracles of Delphi, and other religious texts?
"Instead of exploring the Glory of God" with science, man tries to use it to disprove God's existence."
No, its just the natural assumption if there is no evidence.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
No PROOF required. If you do not see the internal contradictions in atheism and other world views, no explanation of ours will make you accept fact. God's existence grounds reality, science, logic, and morality. NO OTHER world view can boast that foundation. They either have no anchor or their anchor does not anchor good values but potentially evil ones. Please, show how atheism is logical and proves ANY epistemology, Alio.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"Please, show how atheism is logical and proves ANY epistemology, Alio."
Logical: If I don't know the origins of the universe or even if that knowledge will ever be attainable it is still logical to disbelieve in the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of universe creation because there is no evidence for such an extraordinary claim. The claim for the existence of any other God is just as ridiculous. You might whole heatedly believe in your myths but no more so than the ancient Greeks.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
That does not show ANY logic in atheism, Alio. Atheism is not a logical world view. It is the ANTITHESIS to a world view. It answers NO questions about life, provides NO proof of anything and denies logic, science and epistemology.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"Atheism is not a logical world view. It is the ANTITHESIS to a world view."
Damn straight! And you are an atheist to plenty of religions too!
Why can you not understand that the bible is nothing special? You claim it doesn't have contradictions and all other religions do but ALL the religions say that! Don't you see a pattern in that? Don't you ever wonder why Muslims see contradictions in the bible but NEVER in the Koran? It is blind faith, just like yours.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
FALSE, Alio. You don't get that you just refuted your whole argument. Atheism is not an answer. It is a denial that destroys EVERYTHING, science, religion, thought, reality. Why do so many atheists ask Christian apologists if they exist or how can they know that they really exist? They know that atheism followed to its logical conclusion removes absolute knowing. They can't even know if they exist or if this is all some illusion...
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Every religion on earth is based on small portions of the Holy Bible, but very few adhere 2 it in its entirety. When u compare, u can almost see what parts they had. Religion is a big money maker, after all Jesus did tell us to give our all, & the churches take full advantage of all the right words. I think God would rather u take a hobo out & feed him with $20. than give $100,000 to a church. Read the first 4 chapters of Rev. Letters 2 the 7churches. Very interesting reading & compare.
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
"& u will try & tell me that isn't Biblical proof when God said they would do it before they did?"
Just like how you just predicted I would tell you the bible is not proof of God! Amazing! You must have been divinely inspired to write that here on Youtube! You must be a prophet!
"80% of all scientists r still alive 2day."
Cite reference, and explain why this matters.
"Don't pin eternal life on it, you'll loose!"
More coercive threats, nice!
"God Bless!!"
No thanks!!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
Alio, you have not presented a counterargument. You deny the 66 books without being able to refute them all. Ergo, YOU ARE ignoring the evidence for God because of BIAS NOT FACT. He said that you would do that and that HE WOULD NOT provide further eviidence for you as you reject the primary evidence that He provided. Convenient, maybe, BUT HE IS GOD. He gets to decide on His evidence to you, not us Christians. We are prophets & priests, BTW. You would know that if you read the Bible.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"We are prophets & priests, BTW. You would know that if you read the Bible."
You would know that is circular logic if you thought about it a little. You are asserting that the bible is right, which makes us right, and we know the bible is right because we are right.
Look, there is nothing that is special about your religion. To a neutral arbiter your religious world view is just as silly as any other. For example, an all loving being would be eternally tortured if 1 single person went to hell.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
Thank u! U proven my point again. & actually, I would be a prophetess if I was one, but I'm not. I just study my Bible & you would do better & u wouldn't b so negative if u studied it with an open mind & heart. Yr choice. Yr consequences. BIBLE=Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. More PROOF4 God? JOY= Jesus, Others & You. Can't get real JOY until u live in that order. Humanity is sinful & in need of redemption. Jesus is our Redeemer & He can be yrs 2. God Bless!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago
"u wouldn't b so negative if u studied it with an open mind & heart."
I am not supposed to be negative when I find out that a God will punish me not for a million years, not for a billion, but for all eternity if i don't figure out not only which one he is out of thousands but then also exactly what he wants me to do or be or believe out of contradictory interpretations? Also, why did God create me indignant to the idea of coerced belief if he practices it? Maybe he wants me in Hell, i dunno.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
"JOY= Jesus, Others & You. Can't get real JOY until u live in that order."
How do you know? I in fact have had plenty of joy in my life, thank you very much.
"Humanity is sinful & in need of redemption."
Does that include 1 day old infants?
Look, you guys are thinking about this all wrong. Even if I WANTED to believe in God I couldn't because it just doesn't jive with reality. I can no more cease to believe in gravity and my existence than I can start believing in God.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
"Atheistic Materialism". What kind of pseudo-scientific nonsense is this? Gibberish!
Atheism isn't evangelised. It's simply the arguement that evidence belief is more sensible, honest and practical than faith based belief.
Religion is a product. A crappy death insurance that bills you in this life for a claimed reward when you die. I'll keep my premiums and you go sell your death insurance somewhere else.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
That is apologetics, Sonic. That is evangelism. If atheism were true, then, all opinions (world views) would be equally valid as nothing matters and there would be no eternal consequence for behavior. Ergo, you would have no reason to dispute theism. Atheism is a religion. Watch my video.
Plus, you are wrong about salvation. We do nothing for it & are certainly not billed for it! It is the FREE gift of God! If we could earn it, we would be gods.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Sorry, but I'm not an apologist for atheism, in fact the term is far more accurately applied to yourself. Evidence based belief is greater than faith based belief as it is based on fact. You're defending the indefensible simply because you believe yourself to be right. Not based on any evidence you are right.
Atheism is not a religion as it does not require faith or the supernatural. In fact it rejects both as being without evidence to confirm them.
Salvation! Salvation from what?
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Yes, you are, Sonic. You just gave reasons for why you are an atheist & why you should post in favor of atheism. That is apology. You are defending the indefensible position. I have 66 books, logical AND scientific necessity for a Creator God, personal experience with Him, healings from God that can't be explained medically. YOU have NOTHING to prove that there is no God. You CANNOT prove a negative. Therefore, YOU, not I, are standing in the mud claiming solid ground. You have blind faith
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Providing reason and explanation is not apologising, it is explaining.
My position is not indefensible as it is evidence based and if new evidence appears, my position may change in line with the new evidence if I am convinced by it. On the other hand, your position is fixed 2000 years ago with the bible, assuming you believe the bible is true?
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Here you just show your ignorance. APOLOGEA from Greek MEANS to give a reason or answer for something. IT DOES NOT mean to say you are sorry as the modern CONNOTATION is. I meanse to give literally "to give a word" but actually to give reason or logic for something. You are apologizing for atheism. Now give empirical evidence that proves there is no God or admit your error, Sonic.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I'm not showing ignorance at all. You are simply playing with semantics. Thanks for the definition of APOLOGEA, but you accused me of indulging in apologetics and evangelism. I am doing neither. Theism has dogma that requires apologism, atheism is evidence based and is free to move with new evidence. If God appeared tomorrow and proved himself with miracles, I would have been presented with the evidence of a supreme being, and I would believe. Based on the evidence!
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
He already did that and you refuse to believe the accounts of eyewitnesses. That is why He already said of you that you would not believe even if He returned from the dead. There is evidence and you reject it out of hand without a legitimate excuse.
As for apologetics, you are doing apologetics whether you like it or not, Sonic. If you want to be a consistent atheist, quit speaking against other world views as in atheism, ALL world views and opinions are equally valid.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
The evidence is insufficient. I'm not speaking AGAINST anything. I'm just asking for proof for your claim of God. I would ask all religions for the same proof.
Given that there is similar "proof" for most religions, how did you manage to pick the "right" one and reject Islam, for example?
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Read the 66 books that talk about God. If you want to know God, YOU CAN KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, Sonic. I don't have to prove anything to someone who is looking for truth. However, as you intentionally DO NOT want to know God, you want to ignore Him, NO proof that I offer beyond the 66 books will matter. You will dismiss it no matter how solid it is. You are denying God in spite of evidence. You are being dishonest when you claim to be merely skeptical of His existence. No dice, Sonic.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
As stated before, ALL WORLD RELIGIONS self-contradict on the very nature of God. Only Christianity presents a soilid theology that has NO internal contradictions. It stands alone. That is why you aren't out attacking buddhists. The Quran contradicts itself so much it isn't even funny. The Vedic writings are not comparable to the Bible books and are as meaningless and self contradictory as the musings of a madman. They revel in contradiction. No theology compares to Judaism (Christianity).
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
You want me to prove that God does not exist? Easy! There is no evidence that a supernatural God exists outside of the deluded minds of victims of religious indoctrination. Therefore God cannot be shown to exists, therefore he does not exist. Now I jumped through your hoop, here's one for you:
YOU prove YOU did not worship Satan last night. Please list your evidence formally, CV.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
FALSE, Sonic. You are not presenting a true statement or a proof statement. THIS IS YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATION of reality NOT true at all. So, You DON'T have any evidence that there is no God, just your blind faith that we are all crazy and you are sane... LOL.
Present some valid evidence or admit that you are making this stuff up and don't have a real argument against God, Sonic.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
What was untrue about my statement? That there is no evidence for a supernatural God? Present it. How am I biased? I am merely positioning myself in line with the available evidence (i.e. none) of the existance of God. If more evidence appears, I'll change my position. I'm quite flexible on this.
I don't say you're crazy at all, you're just gullible. You've bought a product that doesn't exist. And like all the people who admired the emporer's new clothes, you're too scared to admit it.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
There are miracles, 66 books, eyewitnesses who know God, archaeological evidence and scientific evidence for God. You are stating a patently false conclusion. It is just your opinion. You can disregard the evidence for God, but, it exists absolutely and unequivocally, Sonic. So, present your evidence that there is no God or admit you simply don't want to accept the evidence for God.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
You ask for evidence of something that does not exist. I tell you why I am convinced it does not exist and ask for your evidence to prove it does. You say "miracles and books". You mean the "tooth fairy leaving money" miracle? The Harry Potter books? What miracles and what books? Archaeological and evidence? You wish, name it! Scientific evidence? Pseudo-science doesn't count, but let's hear it.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
No, Sonic, that is false. The EYEWITNESS Accounts of the New Testament are VALID historical accounts. They are not comparable to myth. Myths don't identify the kings or governers in office at the time of the myth. Read L'Morte d'Arthur and see if a single king is mentioned. Archaeology supports the New & Old Testament books. They even found Sodom & Gomorrah. But, you don't want to see that. You want to ignore the evidence with fallacious comparisons rather than facts.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Sodom and Gomorrah: Isn' t that where Lot offered up his virgin daughters for gang rape to spare his visitors the same fate? (Genesis 19) But I digress... In places the historical accuracy of the bible is very poor indeed! Here's an example: In 1 Chronicles: 29:7. King David collects ten thousand drams (or darics) for the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. Only darics were coins named after King Darius I who lived over 500 years after David. Care to explain this error?
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
FALSE, Darius is a TITLE not a specific king. If you had studied ancient history or at least the Mede and Persian empires, you would know that. Even some of the history channel shows have mentioned that fact. Who fought the battle of Kadesh, Sonic???
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
There is NO evidence that there is NO God. If there is some you think conclusively proves there is no God, please, list it formally, Sonic.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Atheists are evangelical because they are standing up for their beliefs after years of either having to hide in the closet or be ridiculed by the community. Christian values are accepted as a part of every person's life regardless of their faith(or lack thereof). Children ages 5-18 in every American public school must pledge their allegiance every day to not only their country, but to "God" as well. You may not understand this, depending on where you live, but Atheists see it as ignorance to the
dudegutarman12 2 years ago
civil rights guaranteed to all people of the country. I'm not suggesting that this is the only problem area, but it's a reliable example.
dudegutarman12 2 years ago
You clearly can't see your the hypocrisy, Dude. If there is no God, then, pledging allegiance to the flag with only AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the God Who is ifentified as the Grantor and Guarantor of our rights, is not offensive at all. It would be the equivalent of tipping your hat at a token symbol. The ONLY WAY that having to acknowledge God is upsetting to atheists is that they know He exists. If He didn't, they would not be bothered by a token symbol of nothing...
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
nothing like a transcendental argument to get the Atheists stirring ;p.
this argument fails on so many levels. Oh and not all Atheists are materialists, not atheists are naturalists!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Hmmm, you're right, most current professing atheists in the spotlight are closet pantheists, New Agers, or occultists. They certainly wouldn't qualify as materialists. Their position will be more open and clear once they usher in NeoPaganism or the old pagan myths after having declared there is no God for so long. But, by then, you will all be too deeply invested in the company lie to break camp with the 'patriots' of atheism.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
"most current professing atheists in the spotlight are closet pantheists, New Agers, or occultists. They certainly wouldn't qualify as materialists."
Prove that statement to be true!!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Dawkins attends church and says the jury is still out on his spirituality. Wake up and watch out for those propogandist manuipulating you for their own ends, Joe.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago