I studied EP's kenpo for a few years...many of the core essence of the techniques you learn are effective, but each technique has way to many movements for the real world. Each technique should have the number of movements reduced for greater effectiveness in real world self defense.
@shadjazz In a good aikido dojo they don't just go along with the technique. When you are lower level of course they do just to teach you the body mechanics, but as you progress they stop just going along with it and make you actually do it. Some schools will actually reverse the technique if you screw it up, they don't just go with it. Again that's for higher level students, beginners you have to just let them figure out how the body mechanics work.
@streen41 sure man. It is good to learn the technique, but you must learn to use it in a situation as real as posible, maybe sparring with partners, and by being really carefull not to be hurt bad.
@shadjazz its my brief experience the teacher's training partners understand the autonomic response of certain strikes. in order to demonstrate the entire technique in practice requires "posing". and i have noticed all of the training partners in videos are wearing black belts. a friendly response to your comment. millsie
@gammarey Than why don't karate practitioners train the way they fight? Bunkai, Kata and sparring. Have you ever seen a Karate practitioner use a block followed by a reverse punch during a sparring session? Furthermore why would anyone leave their arm extended long enough for a karate man to execute a block followed by a reverse punch or a series of strikes? Thanx for your input:)
@shadjazz i scrutinized/thought things were ridiculous in a technique. best explanation i heard: 'it is letters that you put together to make words, then sentences, then paragraphs. then an entire language. then talking to anyone in any context. to me its 'self-defense', not a scripted exchange. nothing flows as planned. but if the attacker doesn't know. that is to your advantage. it comes together when you move. usually over 1 side or the other....quick. no guarantees but improves the chances
@gammarey What Tatum teaches won't work, because people on the street won't pose for you to land 25 hand techniques. This type of training gives students a false sense of security! This is also the case with Aikido, if a training partner is always co-operating the student is buying into a fantasy. I'm not suggesting that Kenpo is inferior;but, rather the uke mentality is not an effective way to train for the street.
@shadjazz i understand your point completely, and agree wholeheartedly w/the posing exhibited. in my opinion it's done to explain/demonstrate where the strikes go. and the 'defense' made by the positioning of everything. it's also fact/understood not all of the strikes in a technique will be affective/will be able to be thrown. but the knowledge of them is what i profess. knowing where to go in a 'self-defense' situation helps explain it. it's a matter of understanding opportunities afforded.
@shadjazz u talkin shit first of all you can not learn kenpo from youtube it took years of training, i trained with tatum 4 weeks and belive me if hes on the street and fight somebody oh man he wont survive
@clearcombat Every kenpo school I have ever seen spars. Not sure what you are talking about here. And Kenpo has numerous self defense techniques. I am not saying ALL kenpoist can defend themselves. Some people "freeze up" when assaulted, but with proper training most can overcome this.
@shadjazz Have you ever seen a Karate practitioner use a block followed by a reverse punch ... Yes I have. Andy Sherry was famous for it and this guy fought at International level. It was a standing joke that it was the only technique he knew. Everyone he faced knew it was coming but no one could stop him. Sounds like you are still with the basic mechanics. It takes around 7500 repetitions of a technique for it to become muscle memory.
@shadjazz it seems your opinion of Kenpo Karate is unfavorable. the father of American Kenpo was once referred to as the "most dangerous man alive". he being Mr. Ed Parker. i don't see the validity in your assessment of the art as being "Kenpo has to be the perfect example of how to not train in a martial art!"
Is it just me, or does everyone else feel really bad for Adopo (black belt in the red uniform) getting the shit knocked out of him like a puppet on strings?
that sticks trick is smart n applicable........i dont have anybody to teach me though i can use KENPO strike skills to play n slowly train myself the ART OF STICK WEAPONS.....anyway cheers
Larry Tatum needs to respect others more from what I see, No need to strike so hard for demonstration's. I think his moves are good, and are great for some and not so good for others if you know what I'm saying.
If you want to do some demonstrations like GM Larry Tatum, We start with the following basis: The guy in red is a black belt in Kenpo, a human being who train every day of his life and furthemore, is not realistic as we see. Any normal people say "This guy is tough and with sticks may be dangerous " but in kenpo is a natural demonstration, in fact you can hit the oponente stronger and faster. It's my advice like a Kenpoist from Chile, Regards.
This video does not say anything about kenpo fighters carrying the sticks around at all times, the video does show how Kenpo principles can be formatted to using the sticks if you maybe just happened to have them or just for fun...for practice.
Does anyone know, is Edmund Parker's Kenpo the same as, or close to, Kosho-Ryu Kempo? I want to learn Kenpo but the only book I can find at the local store is a Kosho-Ryu form and I am not familiar enough with the style to know the major differences.
@DrummermanMatt Don't know if anyone's answered your question, but I've heard that Mr. Parker's teacher, William Chow, was student under Kosho-Ryu master James Mitose. In fact, virtually all Kempo schools outside of Japan trace their lineage to Mitose Sensei...whether it's all true or not is another story. Hope that helps.
Oh and people could we leave your disrespectful hate comments to your own pages. We who respect the arts don't want to hear all your hate comments and if you are in the Arts, you need to forfeit your belt for your disrespecting a great martial arts teacher like Mr. Tatum,,, Read your creeds again people and again you will understand your stupidity, disrespect and how you know nothing
Yes because every Kenpo practitioner carries around two sticks as a preemptive defense against knives. What happend to real martial arts like Aikido, Freestyle Wrestling, Original Japanese Karate and not this speed hitting Kenpo crap.
@wehs09 Funny how none of you so called martial people have no Idea of what martial arts is. Your comments are so disrespectful we see you no nothing other than your own stupidity and lack of any martial skills. I don't know what you are being taught, but I was taught to have respect for all the arts, all the weapons and know of my surroundings where there might just be some stick to pick up when an attacker has a knife, plus if you know anything martial, the weapons is just extended hands
@wehs09 kempo is just killing it's set up for how things are in America people don't attack you in japan or any other place like they will attack you here
Why are you two having this type of conversation on this video. MMA Has nothing to do with this video, and your conversations have nothing intelligent to add. Both of you sem passionate about MMA, but I'm sure both of you can disagree without being disagreeable. You conversation make both of you look pretty damn stupid, which I don't think is the case.
yea well these sticks he's using can also be any other weopon you can think of... u can use your jacket...together and block and hit...be creative...use pens...or pencils...shit whatever you want
Pure Bullshit!! All Demos are...because the attacker does not react or respond like an actual opponent in a REAL SITUATION. The defender has no concern for any counter-strike or unscripted body movement and knows his "partner" will follow the plan which allows him to execute his 50 flashy ..OOOH!! so deady choreographed "Look At Me" Bullshit Moves. Anyone who thinks this is effective is an idiot.
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER kiza el idiota eres tu, esto es un video demostrativo para ver posibilidades, no un acto real, aprende a diferenciarlo, imbecil! porke delante de un kempoista de este nivel no verias coreografia, de echo no verias nada mas ke estrellitas sobre tu inutil cabeza. escucha y aprende, luego opina con respeto.
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER pinche cabron??? jajajjaja!!! inteligente hasta morir, no? lee mas, aprende a respetar y seras respetado, por cierto "pinche" el saco no retorna los golpes....
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER te lo repito a ver si eres capaz de enterderme : respeta y seras respetado. y deja de insultarme porke mientras existan ip´s toooodos estamos muy cerkita, me entiendes? pues eso. Respeto!
@Enemyatthegates1 What the fuck are you croaking about faggot! I ain't worried about no bitch ass Cain Velasquez or anybody else. So he beat Lesnar? Everybody knew it was coming because hes just a one dimensional loser and should have stayed in wrestling. Fucking Overeem will kick all them motherfucker's asses at the same time. And I would stomp Cain in his balls.
Yo stupes... kenpo is designed to be effective from where ever and what ever you see... when demos with control are used many strikes are displayed to show the possibility of application from where you may be caught during the confrontation.. one strike with a stick through your face or a stomp to your cranium or fricken finger in your eye... no more opinion just waa!
@Rayerdon He keeps his chin high, no bend in his legs, no head movement. I have sparred Kenpo stylist and they are aggressive, but they are easy to hit because they drop their hands on every exchange.
People say that this guy is not doing real Kenpo or that he was never a black belt all i have to say is that i dont give a damn what he's doing I DO NOT WANNA BE THE GUY WHO FIGHTS THIS MAN
Hi, do you have or know where I can download the Larry Tatum Technique dvd's - I have them on VHS but would love them in .avi or MPEG, anyone help me ? yours in Kenpo.
Please email if you can help, eamon_carty@hotmail.com
I understand exactly what you are talking about, devildogkilo. No real fight can be coreographed. You are also saying a person should be prepared for any to all eventualities. And martial arts does not teach everything. Come to think about it; there are some things that can't be taught.
I noticed that larrys videos are expensive so i rented a couple online from goldstarvideo and just got them in last week and just to let everyone know I wish i would have bought them because they are good, but money is a little tight
If you understand Kempo or Kenpo, you understand that no opponent will do this or do that. Steps in the techniques are follow-ups (just in case). You SHOULD be taugh how to adjust the technqiue(s) to the response of the opponent. Truely, you should never have to complete a technique in a fight situation (if done correctly). Remember Martial Arts is a tool to pull from, not an absolute.... Lets not get too rapped up about it.
LMAO, what is the guy attacking with his knife, he lunges with a deep stance, just wow, so unrealistic, therefore any defense shown against it is utterly useless.
That's the biggest problem I have with a lot of kenpo I've seen. The "bad guy" does something totally unrealistic or half-ass, or nothing at all, so of course the awesome combo chain of moves blends together and looks devastating.
Also, many kenpo combo's seem to be premised on "I do this, which causes him to react like this, setting me up for this...etc.". In my experience, the bad guy NEVER does what you want, and plans like that just don't work.
If a person doesn't start out with a template of sorts, they won't understand what to do when the situation arises. What you say is a flaw in kenpo is prevalent everywhere..in boxing when a jab is thrown, you bob out of the way, and uppercut to the ribs, which causes his hand to drop, so you hook his face. It seems to me that is a combination, and that is the logic that kenpo employs. Every art has its method. It's left up to the practitioner to develop the tools.
LOL. That has to be the most ignorant statement i've ever seen. For your information, most people who will attack you with a knife will try to use their reach as an advantage. Who cares how their legs are positioned? the important thing in the technique is stopping the knife before it hits your vitals. thats called developing timing. I garentee you, if the guy had been in a boxer stance, tatum still would have hit his arm with his stick, which wouldn't exactly tickle.
I am a black sash in Kali , and a third black belt in Kenpo Karate. What Tatum did with his first stick strike was part of our Meet system dead pattern, which is one of the reaction tools we use to develop instinctive motion. That knife attack could have come at him in anyway, shallow, deep, whatever, that stick still would have struck his brachial. also, if you've ever met tatum, you would realize his Timing is spot on. I wouldn't hate on what you don't understand.
I've studied Kenpo for six years. I've always understood the techniques are taught under ideal circumstances for training and then in real combat I am to adapt, graph and morp according to the attacks at hand. So, actually what we have is an arsenal to pull from at the moment.
We are not as one would think from watching Youtube demo's stiff, rigid and predictable, to the contrary once you've obtained a level of competence in kenpo you are anything but rigid and adapt quickly to situations as they arise with a good deal of knowledge on how to handle different situations and what works and what doesnt. if we need to grab and throw we can, if we need to kick and punch we can, if we need to lock a joint and break it we can. We can transition quickly from one to the other.
Much like you see from jui jitsu practioners in MMA. We wait for the opponent to make a mistake. We are not adverse to some standing grappling and infighting or on the ground waiting for an opening,I admit that the ground game is not our expertise but we do teach the basics effectively. A good portion of our technique training involves quick strikes to vital areas and takedowns. Its interesting to see how compliant an opponent is once he's received the first numbing shot.
Regarding compliance after a numbing shot... kenpoist need to start practicing more full contact matches to really understand how resilient the human body is. Watch any Kyokushin fight and you'll see the kind of blows you can take and continue to fight back.
Of course, if you knock someone out, then you don't need all the follow-up hand waiving that kenpo guys like to do.
MMA fight with Ken Shamrock. A face palm, a kenpo practiced technique took out Shamrock, the kick was just the finishing blow. I'm not saying that kenpo is better than any other style of martial arts, there is a lot to be learned from all styles and many techniques and moves overlap within styles,the skill and toughness of the practitioner always makes a difference when two different stylists are matched against each other
The reason you dont see many of the other kenpo techniques or strikes in MMA is simply they are not allowed. Freely exposing the back of your neck or spine when doing a lunge takedown goes a long way in nuetralizing any advantage a kenpo practitioner has. We specifically train for that in many of our techniques. You'd think twice about exposing your necks to a counter. I also wouldnt want to grapple with anyone on the ground knowing that a potential groin grab and tear was possible either.
"Knee lift" is another kenpo technique that is used all the time, similar to the Muy Thai move of grabbing behind the neck and delivering a knee to the midsection or head. We twohand grab to the lapel or shoulders and deliver the knee strike followed by a foot stomp, one motion and then an elbow to the face or side of the head. Yes, I know other martial arts teach these same techniques as well but dont dismiss kenpo as not being able to effectively use any of them as we train much the same way.
Ballet dancers also kick but that doesn't mean their kicks r effective in a fight. Kenpoists need to start training w/ resisting opponents in full contact setting to really understand the principles of leverage. U'll never be able to hold down a resisting opponent by grabbing his shoulders.You need to break his posture by pulling his neck down
Don't insult real MAs by saying that u train like them.Unrealistic uke training can't be compared to full contact training against resisting opponents
Yes I agree without a gi pulling his neck down is the proper way, all I was stating was that we've used these techniques before, they are not new to MMA or any other style. And I'm not sure where the idea came that we dont do any full contact sparring or get rough in our training, that simply isnt true. I've also trained in kyokushin and earned a green belt and held my own against students of similar rank. The basics of sparring are the same for all styles. Kenpo included
Kenpo practitioners have been sparring full contact for many many years. I don't understand why anyone thinks that they don't. We also encourage grappling and takedowns as part of the training. See if a leg sweep that takes your leg our from under you is full contact enough. Its not fun hitting the mat hard. Why would any one think that Kenpo is not real martial arts. It's as potent as any other style I've seen. Don't be fooled by youtube videos demonstrating a technique.
I'm not speaking after watching a video. I wasted 5 years of my life practicing kenpo and got my 3rd brown. During that time, I went to many many kenpo seminars and visited many dojos in the USA and Latin America and the common denominator was a lot of static techniques, lots of light sparring (mostly wild brawls with little technique), lots of hand waiving, little or no grappling and fat instructors.
I stand correct concerning the video. I'm sorry your experience was not a good one. I've had a different experience but hey to each his own. I'm of the opinion we can all take something good from each style. Kenpo in my opinion has some very good things to it. As do many other styles of martial arts. I observe and learn from them all and decide what works and what doesnt for me. No one style has it all. Live and learn. Keep training and pass on what you learn. Its a life long journey.
To correct a typo of mine...what I meant was I stand correctED concerning your opinion of kenpo based on a video. You have obviously has a lot of kenpo experience and have formed your opinion based on that and not your watching of a video demonstration. Anyway good luck to you.
you have to admit, though, Tatum kicks some serious uke ass! i bet you he could defeat 200 ukes in a simultaneous attack--taking out at least 20 with the light glinting off of his cutesy earring. can an mma do that?
He does! If the 300 Spartans knew kenpo, the world would be governed by greeks. A single spartan could have beaten 5,000 persian fighters...I can even picture the persian fighters standing still in a "monkey line" ready to have their asses kicked.
By the way, I wonder what people think about Hulk Hogan... after all, he fought multiple opponents many times and was victorious. Hulk's story is even more impressive because his opponents were resisting his attacks!! Damn, he is good!
@nerdswers Kempo is retarded as fuck. Look at the vid - of course, let's attack a hairy two middle lenght sticks holding guy with a little knife, whatever. the hairy guy is also like - of course, let's open myself to a knife by swinging my hands this cool.
Just analyze the vid and you'll reconsider how good is kempo and how good was Sparta's falanga strategy. (It's about the distanc fyi)
@Obiwan198 Very true!! LOL! This guy has been taking money from people who have never seen him demonstrate his prowess against a resisting opponent. The guy is a marketing master like Ed Parker was. That is really where he earned his black belt... MARKETING! No one has EVER seen this guy fight a resisting opponent, much less a competent fighter... and still they give him all the credit in the world.
@nerdswers It's not about training with an resisting opponent, many traditional martial arts don't practice it. It's about how retarted even the basic simulation is.
Pure coolnesss, very american, no martial quality.
@Obiwan198 That is the American dream... practing martial arts with a static partner who does not strike back so you are allowed to have a huge belly and keep eating oversized fast-food meals.
The unrealistic over-rehearsed techniques are just a bonus.
@nerdswers I've practiced Kempo for over 20yrs now along with boxing, muay tai and basic jujitsu and I have never seen kempo quite like this. It doesn't look very effective to me but maybe he is just trying to show basic footwork. I don't know. In any case, to put kempo/kenpo all into one heap and call it retarded based on this man is crazy. In my school, we train kempo with resisting partners just like jujitsu or boxing in real time. I can assure you that it is effective when done realistically
when done that way, the style looks nothing like this(no disrespect to Tatum). ANY style that doesn't take the time to train realistically against resisting partners is doomed in my opinion. Not just kempo. Maybe Tatum has done this in his schools although not on this video. Once again I don't know.
@nerdswers You're right. I have seen a lot of demos where the ukes are mere statues in kempo and other arts like Takwondo. I think this is fine for beginners who are learning new techniques but for these so called black belts, there should be a resisting partner. Anybody that thinks their style will be effective without truly testing it in real time sparring are only fooling themselves. Most of the multiple strike sequences in kempo just don't work in real time. Sparring weeds out the fluff.
The root of the style truly does work though believe me. The footwork and shifting of weight in order to eliminate the need to re chamber before striking is very effective. Combine that with boxing, jujitsu and muay tai techniques and you become very well rounded. I think for some reason a lot of styles get fantasized here in the U.S.A with a lot of fluff from the movies. A good instructor should be able to cut through the crap remain as realistic as possible in my opinion.
Nice to see someone on this board acutally describing kenpo as opposed to talking about what they think it is. However Kirk, I believe you are not describing knee lift, but rather knee of vengeance. Knee lift is an orange belt technique, 7th kyu. Knee of vengeance (which like all kenpo is designed not for sport or to look cool, but to really hurt someone) is a basic yellow belt technique. One of the first you learn.
Mr Rabbit...I stand corrected, thanks for setting me straight. :>) ..knee of vengeance it is. Regardless of whatever style we choose to learn, just keep training, feel good about yourself, and be the best you can at it. Learn from others and pass it on. Its all good.
First of all gents, true Kenpo as taught and handed down by James Mitose was originally called Kenpo Jui Jitsu, anyone taught in that style as many of the Mitose/Tracy lineage Kenpo Students have been taught, are well versed in takedowns, joint locks, and submission holds. This along with the striking techniques makes Kenpo very effective. Over the years the jui jitsu was removed from the system however some instructors teach the old way.
also its foolish to say Kenpo is untested because its not a UFC staple. first, there have been some decent Kenpo guys in UFC (Chuck Ladell for one) but UFC is not a true test of the value of a MA. that was true 15 years ago but the restrictions have squeezed out most styles. notice before the rules all styles showed up to fight. as the rules changed, the styles left. Kenpo was born on the streets and it still works there. turn off your TV and dont drink Dana White's koolaid.
Tell me in which UFC fight you've seen Chuck use a SINGLE kenpo technique? 15 years ago,kenpo guys were owned by bjj guys who didn't know shit about striking! Kenpo should've capitalized then,but instead it showed how lame it is.
Kenpo doesn't work on the streets because kenpoists no longer train the way they did in Hawaii in the 40's.All USA kenpo schools are McDojo's.There is no blood on the floor..Now u train on mats with static opponents and fat instructors. That's ur reality today!
i like Larry Tatum buti think this is a bad way of teaching escrima. there are no shortcuts with weapons. believe me, if you try this without SIGNIFICANT training in the basics of stick fighting, you will miss your target, get tangled up or worst of all hit yourself.
i studied kenpo for yrs. Its grown on me and definitely given me the advantage over anyone off the street.. And we arent talking MMA, UfC.. we are talking typical redneck who thinks he is tough..
Who gives a darn if Lee and Parker trained together? They both had lots of theories that they never tested full contact. We now have a way (MMA and sports like it) to test most of their theories and most were proven false. It doesn't mean that they weren't smart men, it just means that evolution has taken place. In other words...their arts should be allowed to go the way of the dinosaurs, but unfortunatly their are some people that just cant let the fantasies go.
hey talon. This is defense. Not MMA. Its like gravy compared to steak. Pls dont misunderstand defense. Which saves lives every year. Besides alot of women arent interested in fighting but are willing to learn defense. Thats a start for them. I agree with what your saying completely... .. completely... This is basic defense only ..... nothing more...
I agree. I´m tired of all that self-defens BS. I´ve trained in Lima Lama for 10 years, and I still feel something´s missing. I quit TKD and Karate, cause half of their stuff is a waste of time and money. I want an offensive art. Many times we need to be the aggressors, don´t you think??
I totally agree. Kenpo is full of waste... too many forms, too much static uke practice, lots of incorrect theories and mechanics and too much focus on the beauty of the movement rather than its effectiveness...
Kenpo is a pretty art, yes, but I would not count on it to defend myself, much like I would not count on ballet to defend myself.
i have to ask a question that has popped in my mind since reading your recent comments. what is your opinion of Kajukenbo as compared to modern Kenpo?
For some reason, people like to make distinctions among these 2 systems (Kajukenbo and Kenpo) as much as they like to make distinctions between evangelical and pentecostal churches.
At the root, both systems are identical. As a matter of fact, kajukenbo's full name is Kajukenbo Kenpo Karate. Although Kajukenbo tends to be a bit more pragmatic, conservative (less flashy) than the "modern kenpo" most schools like to teach these days, the training methods and basic philosophy is the same.
on this one point i can agree with you. i come from a very stripped down Kempo and we found when we decided to remove the 'flash' (cuz you dont need 30 wavy hand moves to stop a guy) our class size went from 40 to 4. now there are only 7 of us training on borrowed dojo time. our lineage was Cerio Kempo but even that has been bastardized from what it was in his youth. i still have to disagree on its effectiveness but i will admit its overcomplication and desire toards mass appeal a la TKD
Very true. This is also why Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kempo schools started training with very light or no contact at all... they couldn't keep students as they were afraid of full contact training.
Now, kenpo and kajukenbo focus on training with static ukes or, even worst, doing techniques "on the air" (without an uke).This is what Bruce Lee called "dry swimming". Parker is to blame for it.He focused 2 much on making dramatic demos instead of focusing on short, powerful and effective techniques
Saying all Kenpo practitioners use static training is wrong. I use resistant opponents and it still works very well. So yes static bad resistant good. In a studio, any style especially boxing or wrestling which are tailored to rules, you cant practice for the street. You cant go full force on someone you know breaking a leg, arm isn't done. So talk after you've fought to defend something more than your ego... If you think resistant opponents is all there is to it...youre the one under training.
Kenpo is a waste of time. It is a theoretical exercise that has been proven to fail in full contact fights. In fact, there is no real evidence that kenpo works other than the mythical stories from kenpo practitioners.
Is he really hitting him?
BryceMooreTV 1 month ago
I studied EP's kenpo for a few years...many of the core essence of the techniques you learn are effective, but each technique has way to many movements for the real world. Each technique should have the number of movements reduced for greater effectiveness in real world self defense.
cabrame 6 months ago
@cabrame or you could choose which ones fit for which situations. You dont have to do all of the movements,only what is necessary.
muclesmarinara 4 months ago
how to smack around smaller people 101
gavipk 7 months ago
don´t forget the circel
Balendile 7 months ago
is he a 10th degree?
vladimirrrkasi666 7 months ago
@shadjazz In a good aikido dojo they don't just go along with the technique. When you are lower level of course they do just to teach you the body mechanics, but as you progress they stop just going along with it and make you actually do it. Some schools will actually reverse the technique if you screw it up, they don't just go with it. Again that's for higher level students, beginners you have to just let them figure out how the body mechanics work.
streen41 8 months ago
@streen41 sure man. It is good to learn the technique, but you must learn to use it in a situation as real as posible, maybe sparring with partners, and by being really carefull not to be hurt bad.
Griedred 4 months ago
Larry Tatum is the porn star of martial arts
ThePurdude 9 months ago
Awesome club control... =) cool video
JayFGrissom 10 months ago
tatum looks good because his training partners consistently pose for him!
shadjazz 10 months ago
@shadjazz its my brief experience the teacher's training partners understand the autonomic response of certain strikes. in order to demonstrate the entire technique in practice requires "posing". and i have noticed all of the training partners in videos are wearing black belts. a friendly response to your comment. millsie
gammarey 10 months ago
@gammarey Than why don't karate practitioners train the way they fight? Bunkai, Kata and sparring. Have you ever seen a Karate practitioner use a block followed by a reverse punch during a sparring session? Furthermore why would anyone leave their arm extended long enough for a karate man to execute a block followed by a reverse punch or a series of strikes? Thanx for your input:)
shadjazz 10 months ago
@shadjazz i scrutinized/thought things were ridiculous in a technique. best explanation i heard: 'it is letters that you put together to make words, then sentences, then paragraphs. then an entire language. then talking to anyone in any context. to me its 'self-defense', not a scripted exchange. nothing flows as planned. but if the attacker doesn't know. that is to your advantage. it comes together when you move. usually over 1 side or the other....quick. no guarantees but improves the chances
gammarey 10 months ago
@gammarey What Tatum teaches won't work, because people on the street won't pose for you to land 25 hand techniques. This type of training gives students a false sense of security! This is also the case with Aikido, if a training partner is always co-operating the student is buying into a fantasy. I'm not suggesting that Kenpo is inferior;but, rather the uke mentality is not an effective way to train for the street.
shadjazz 10 months ago
@shadjazz i understand your point completely, and agree wholeheartedly w/the posing exhibited. in my opinion it's done to explain/demonstrate where the strikes go. and the 'defense' made by the positioning of everything. it's also fact/understood not all of the strikes in a technique will be affective/will be able to be thrown. but the knowledge of them is what i profess. knowing where to go in a 'self-defense' situation helps explain it. it's a matter of understanding opportunities afforded.
gammarey 9 months ago
@shadjazz u talkin shit first of all you can not learn kenpo from youtube it took years of training, i trained with tatum 4 weeks and belive me if hes on the street and fight somebody oh man he wont survive
B1TCHPRELL9R 9 months ago
@B1TCHPRELL9R No, not talking shit, just not impressed with his demo.
shadjazz 9 months ago
@shadjazz In Kenpo they do give a false sense of security. Very few spar, even fewer can defend themselves.
clearcombat 7 months ago
@clearcombat Every kenpo school I have ever seen spars. Not sure what you are talking about here. And Kenpo has numerous self defense techniques. I am not saying ALL kenpoist can defend themselves. Some people "freeze up" when assaulted, but with proper training most can overcome this.
MrBigdaddy8 1 week ago
@shadjazz Have you ever seen a Karate practitioner use a block followed by a reverse punch ... Yes I have. Andy Sherry was famous for it and this guy fought at International level. It was a standing joke that it was the only technique he knew. Everyone he faced knew it was coming but no one could stop him. Sounds like you are still with the basic mechanics. It takes around 7500 repetitions of a technique for it to become muscle memory.
RussCB2001 8 months ago in playlist Kenpo
Dude Kenpo is a self-defense art not a fighting art. It is highly unlikely a professional athlete is going to mug you.
badlands307 10 months ago
Kenpo has to be the perfect example of how to not train in a martial art!
shadjazz 10 months ago
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@shadjazz I disagree my brutha.Perhaps you should take a look at my videos if you think that kenpo has no real world combat applicability.
ATACXGYM 10 months ago
@shadjazz what art do u study?
HiTIVIAIN 10 months ago
@HiTIVIAIN
Wing Chun and JKD
shadjazz 10 months ago
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@shadjazz it seems your opinion of Kenpo Karate is unfavorable. the father of American Kenpo was once referred to as the "most dangerous man alive". he being Mr. Ed Parker. i don't see the validity in your assessment of the art as being "Kenpo has to be the perfect example of how to not train in a martial art!"
gammarey 10 months ago
chuck norris kill you!!!!
cyclone71 10 months ago
If you like this Video you should check out Master David German doing cane technique. You would like the control.
mmbz67a 10 months ago
Man I love this art. I'm a month into Kempo already and I've learned so much. Mr. Tatum is indeed a beast at martial arts!
TrueInnovator159 10 months ago
Is it just me, or does everyone else feel really bad for Adopo (black belt in the red uniform) getting the shit knocked out of him like a puppet on strings?
TrueInnovator159 10 months ago
that sticks trick is smart n applicable........i dont have anybody to teach me though i can use KENPO strike skills to play n slowly train myself the ART OF STICK WEAPONS.....anyway cheers
wanjiru95 10 months ago
Larry Tatum needs to respect others more from what I see, No need to strike so hard for demonstration's. I think his moves are good, and are great for some and not so good for others if you know what I'm saying.
mmbz67a 11 months ago
If you want to do some demonstrations like GM Larry Tatum, We start with the following basis: The guy in red is a black belt in Kenpo, a human being who train every day of his life and furthemore, is not realistic as we see. Any normal people say "This guy is tough and with sticks may be dangerous " but in kenpo is a natural demonstration, in fact you can hit the oponente stronger and faster. It's my advice like a Kenpoist from Chile, Regards.
Asiroth07 10 months ago
Ron burgundy rocks san Diego. Stay classy.
Nathan8r 11 months ago
This video does not say anything about kenpo fighters carrying the sticks around at all times, the video does show how Kenpo principles can be formatted to using the sticks if you maybe just happened to have them or just for fun...for practice.
muclesmarinara 11 months ago
I'm always taking my sticks with me!!! Realy guys... this is not the reality...
But I respect kenpo.... it's realy effective...
Zockerface 11 months ago
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Does anyone know, is Edmund Parker's Kenpo the same as, or close to, Kosho-Ryu Kempo? I want to learn Kenpo but the only book I can find at the local store is a Kosho-Ryu form and I am not familiar enough with the style to know the major differences.
DrummermanMatt 1 year ago
@DrummermanMatt Don't know if anyone's answered your question, but I've heard that Mr. Parker's teacher, William Chow, was student under Kosho-Ryu master James Mitose. In fact, virtually all Kempo schools outside of Japan trace their lineage to Mitose Sensei...whether it's all true or not is another story. Hope that helps.
deek77 4 months ago
Oh and people could we leave your disrespectful hate comments to your own pages. We who respect the arts don't want to hear all your hate comments and if you are in the Arts, you need to forfeit your belt for your disrespecting a great martial arts teacher like Mr. Tatum,,, Read your creeds again people and again you will understand your stupidity, disrespect and how you know nothing
KidsKicksforChrist 1 year ago
Yes because every Kenpo practitioner carries around two sticks as a preemptive defense against knives. What happend to real martial arts like Aikido, Freestyle Wrestling, Original Japanese Karate and not this speed hitting Kenpo crap.
wehs09 1 year ago
@wehs09 Funny how none of you so called martial people have no Idea of what martial arts is. Your comments are so disrespectful we see you no nothing other than your own stupidity and lack of any martial skills. I don't know what you are being taught, but I was taught to have respect for all the arts, all the weapons and know of my surroundings where there might just be some stick to pick up when an attacker has a knife, plus if you know anything martial, the weapons is just extended hands
KidsKicksforChrist 1 year ago
@wehs09 kempo is just killing it's set up for how things are in America people don't attack you in japan or any other place like they will attack you here
abomb10 1 year ago
Gentlemen,
Why are you two having this type of conversation on this video. MMA Has nothing to do with this video, and your conversations have nothing intelligent to add. Both of you sem passionate about MMA, but I'm sure both of you can disagree without being disagreeable. You conversation make both of you look pretty damn stupid, which I don't think is the case.
devildogkilo 1 year ago
yea well these sticks he's using can also be any other weopon you can think of... u can use your jacket...together and block and hit...be creative...use pens...or pencils...shit whatever you want
MizKeeley 1 year ago
does mr. tatum teach in new jersey?
borobei 1 year ago
I love bein a fall guy for the pros, lmao. to know is to feel. gives you a healthier respect for the pain you can learn to inflict, lol.
hrspwradctn 1 year ago
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Pure Bullshit!! All Demos are...because the attacker does not react or respond like an actual opponent in a REAL SITUATION. The defender has no concern for any counter-strike or unscripted body movement and knows his "partner" will follow the plan which allows him to execute his 50 flashy ..OOOH!! so deady choreographed "Look At Me" Bullshit Moves. Anyone who thinks this is effective is an idiot.
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER kiza el idiota eres tu, esto es un video demostrativo para ver posibilidades, no un acto real, aprende a diferenciarlo, imbecil! porke delante de un kempoista de este nivel no verias coreografia, de echo no verias nada mas ke estrellitas sobre tu inutil cabeza. escucha y aprende, luego opina con respeto.
3179Mik 1 year ago
@3179Mik Besame...besame...CULA ..pinche cabron!!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
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3179Mik 1 year ago
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@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER pinche cabron??? jajajjaja!!! inteligente hasta morir, no? lee mas, aprende a respetar y seras respetado, por cierto "pinche" el saco no retorna los golpes....
3179Mik 1 year ago
@3179Mik Si? Quisas El Burro sabes mas que tu cabron. Eh? Por Su Puesto quoto!! Por que tu no sabes JACKSHIT!!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER te lo repito a ver si eres capaz de enterderme : respeta y seras respetado. y deja de insultarme porke mientras existan ip´s toooodos estamos muy cerkita, me entiendes? pues eso. Respeto!
3179Mik 1 year ago
@3179Mik Bitch shut your frijole eating mouth before I call INS!!
You know your old ass Mama does NOT want to have to go back to trickin in Tijuana Bitch!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER id like to see your nigger ass to say that to cain velasquez...
Enemyatthegates1 1 year ago
@Enemyatthegates1 What the fuck are you croaking about faggot! I ain't worried about no bitch ass Cain Velasquez or anybody else. So he beat Lesnar? Everybody knew it was coming because hes just a one dimensional loser and should have stayed in wrestling. Fucking Overeem will kick all them motherfucker's asses at the same time. And I would stomp Cain in his balls.
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER LMAO sure you would you silly negroe...
Enemyatthegates1 1 year ago
@Enemyatthegates1 Fuck off CLOWN AT THE DOOR!!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER ok kunta, whatever you say...
Enemyatthegates1 1 year ago
@Enemyatthegates1 You fucking imbecile its Kunte'. Faggot!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER LMAO you should know!!!! HAHAHA
Enemyatthegates1 1 year ago
@Enemyatthegates1 Suck a donkey's asshole boy...your Mama did!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER oooooooh wow thta' was insulting??? dumb negroid...
Enemyatthegates1 1 year ago
@ONENIGGER2ANOTHER let's just say that if you get hit with a stick in your neck, throat and back you'll find yourself not resisting a lot
VuileTeef 1 year ago
@VuileTeef Nor with my size 12 in your ballsack. Whats your fucking point again?
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
Nice. Brutal. Poor Red-shirt.
wooki33man 1 year ago
Larry tatum is Chuck Norris's half brother! haha .
serioulsy , i wouldnt mess with Larry's shadow on a good day ! now thats a bad ass.
lordvicadin 1 year ago
@lordvicadin he has great hair
Bzdi138 1 year ago
Yo stupes... kenpo is designed to be effective from where ever and what ever you see... when demos with control are used many strikes are displayed to show the possibility of application from where you may be caught during the confrontation.. one strike with a stick through your face or a stomp to your cranium or fricken finger in your eye... no more opinion just waa!
clortz90 1 year ago
@clortz90 It looks very outdated for todays combat environment
clearcombat 1 year ago
@clearcombat Really in what way?
Rayerdon 1 year ago
@Rayerdon He keeps his chin high, no bend in his legs, no head movement. I have sparred Kenpo stylist and they are aggressive, but they are easy to hit because they drop their hands on every exchange.
clearcombat 1 year ago
Love Tatum!
232323C 1 year ago
Dog brothers would eat this dude for breakfast.
talon115 1 year ago
@talon115 woof woof
232323C 1 year ago
kenpo is very effective when your opponent is a brainless retard and you have two huge black sticks in your hands.
jobowtackmasterx 1 year ago
why would anybody attack somebody with two big fucking sticks a wee knife two big fuck off sticks? anyone getting this?
spottybott 1 year ago
@spottybott hahahaahahahaha
muzicghost 1 year ago
People say that this guy is not doing real Kenpo or that he was never a black belt all i have to say is that i dont give a damn what he's doing I DO NOT WANNA BE THE GUY WHO FIGHTS THIS MAN
Mider999 1 year ago
This is just sad.
You can learn more about martial arts by watching Kenny's Kenpo Karate (which is funny as FUCK!)
stupidfreakyface 1 year ago 2
@stupidfreakyface You poeple really need to get a life
Mider999 1 year ago
@stupidfreakyface Dude Larry Tatum worked with a legend.........what have you done with your life?
Mider999 1 year ago
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Hi, do you have or know where I can download the Larry Tatum Technique dvd's - I have them on VHS but would love them in .avi or MPEG, anyone help me ? yours in Kenpo.
Please email if you can help, eamon_carty@hotmail.com
Thanks
Eamon, England
MontyBrith 1 year ago
You fight with sticks like you would box. Plus you can still use your kicks and knees,
clearcombat 1 year ago
What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!
nenum1kg 1 year ago
Awesome video. Awesome technique.
MrMopar400 1 year ago
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6266aew 1 year ago
This extreme Kenpo is extremely silly. I feel bad for the dummy in red. Don't bring a knife to a Kali sticks fight!!
majesticvega 1 year ago
I understand exactly what you are talking about, devildogkilo. No real fight can be coreographed. You are also saying a person should be prepared for any to all eventualities. And martial arts does not teach everything. Come to think about it; there are some things that can't be taught.
Michael7Junior 1 year ago
smokers
gp680 1 year ago
GAYS!!
gerigeri11 1 year ago
I noticed that larrys videos are expensive so i rented a couple online from goldstarvideo and just got them in last week and just to let everyone know I wish i would have bought them because they are good, but money is a little tight
BusterBoy5555 1 year ago
the best material out there for sure i bought them years a go and its my dale study
mnuwar 1 year ago
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If you want to see great kenpo please search YouTube for Ed. Downey Kenpo. Watch and pass it on if you agree.
deceptivepanther 1 year ago
Wow! This kenpo is XTREME!
christlicker 2 years ago
I feel bad for the test dummie in red lol
fattirevsbud 2 years ago
If you understand Kempo or Kenpo, you understand that no opponent will do this or do that. Steps in the techniques are follow-ups (just in case). You SHOULD be taugh how to adjust the technqiue(s) to the response of the opponent. Truely, you should never have to complete a technique in a fight situation (if done correctly). Remember Martial Arts is a tool to pull from, not an absolute.... Lets not get too rapped up about it.
devildogkilo 2 years ago
American Kenpo to me is the best Martial Arts fighting system!!!
ARTworks247 2 years ago
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LMAO, what is the guy attacking with his knife, he lunges with a deep stance, just wow, so unrealistic, therefore any defense shown against it is utterly useless.
patio87 2 years ago
That's the biggest problem I have with a lot of kenpo I've seen. The "bad guy" does something totally unrealistic or half-ass, or nothing at all, so of course the awesome combo chain of moves blends together and looks devastating.
Also, many kenpo combo's seem to be premised on "I do this, which causes him to react like this, setting me up for this...etc.". In my experience, the bad guy NEVER does what you want, and plans like that just don't work.
Nephronial 2 years ago
"The "bad guy" does something totally unrealistic or half-ass, or nothing at all,"
Exactly.
"Also, many kenpo combo's seem to be premised on "I do this, which causes him to react like this, setting me up for this...etc.""
Exactly.
And I think that anyone with any common sense(or anyone who has ever been in a real fight) is able to quickly recognize these flaws.
patio87 2 years ago
If a person doesn't start out with a template of sorts, they won't understand what to do when the situation arises. What you say is a flaw in kenpo is prevalent everywhere..in boxing when a jab is thrown, you bob out of the way, and uppercut to the ribs, which causes his hand to drop, so you hook his face. It seems to me that is a combination, and that is the logic that kenpo employs. Every art has its method. It's left up to the practitioner to develop the tools.
Tzaolu 1 year ago
LOL. That has to be the most ignorant statement i've ever seen. For your information, most people who will attack you with a knife will try to use their reach as an advantage. Who cares how their legs are positioned? the important thing in the technique is stopping the knife before it hits your vitals. thats called developing timing. I garentee you, if the guy had been in a boxer stance, tatum still would have hit his arm with his stick, which wouldn't exactly tickle.
Tzaolu 1 year ago
tatum jus liked beatin his ass with those sticks XD
quemac2 2 years ago
Why dont these kenpo guys just admit they get their stick techniques from Eskrima?
Bladestar7 2 years ago
jaja no te gustaria ser el tio del trage rojo?? es mi maestro, es adolfo luelmo, y tambien te aseguro que da buenas ostiasxDD
GranApuesta74 2 years ago
LMAO, I love how they base all their techniques on exaggerated Uke movements.
patio87 2 years ago
TATUM WOULD KILL YOUR ASS PATIO
BLACKSTAR237 2 years ago
@patio87 - I agree with you. Anyone who has witnessed a real knife attack knows that they will not attack like that.
bujin21 2 years ago
I am a black sash in Kali , and a third black belt in Kenpo Karate. What Tatum did with his first stick strike was part of our Meet system dead pattern, which is one of the reaction tools we use to develop instinctive motion. That knife attack could have come at him in anyway, shallow, deep, whatever, that stick still would have struck his brachial. also, if you've ever met tatum, you would realize his Timing is spot on. I wouldn't hate on what you don't understand.
Tzaolu 1 year ago
I've studied Kenpo for six years. I've always understood the techniques are taught under ideal circumstances for training and then in real combat I am to adapt, graph and morp according to the attacks at hand. So, actually what we have is an arsenal to pull from at the moment.
DanielStanfiield 2 years ago
We are not as one would think from watching Youtube demo's stiff, rigid and predictable, to the contrary once you've obtained a level of competence in kenpo you are anything but rigid and adapt quickly to situations as they arise with a good deal of knowledge on how to handle different situations and what works and what doesnt. if we need to grab and throw we can, if we need to kick and punch we can, if we need to lock a joint and break it we can. We can transition quickly from one to the other.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
yes, but you need to be able to do this while the opponent fights back. When the opponent stands still, anyone can do anything.
nerdswers 2 years ago
Much like you see from jui jitsu practioners in MMA. We wait for the opponent to make a mistake. We are not adverse to some standing grappling and infighting or on the ground waiting for an opening,I admit that the ground game is not our expertise but we do teach the basics effectively. A good portion of our technique training involves quick strikes to vital areas and takedowns. Its interesting to see how compliant an opponent is once he's received the first numbing shot.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
Regarding compliance after a numbing shot... kenpoist need to start practicing more full contact matches to really understand how resilient the human body is. Watch any Kyokushin fight and you'll see the kind of blows you can take and continue to fight back.
Of course, if you knock someone out, then you don't need all the follow-up hand waiving that kenpo guys like to do.
nerdswers 2 years ago
Check out Bart Vale's (a kenpo practitioner)
MMA fight with Ken Shamrock. A face palm, a kenpo practiced technique took out Shamrock, the kick was just the finishing blow. I'm not saying that kenpo is better than any other style of martial arts, there is a lot to be learned from all styles and many techniques and moves overlap within styles,the skill and toughness of the practitioner always makes a difference when two different stylists are matched against each other
capt37kirk 2 years ago
The reason you dont see many of the other kenpo techniques or strikes in MMA is simply they are not allowed. Freely exposing the back of your neck or spine when doing a lunge takedown goes a long way in nuetralizing any advantage a kenpo practitioner has. We specifically train for that in many of our techniques. You'd think twice about exposing your necks to a counter. I also wouldnt want to grapple with anyone on the ground knowing that a potential groin grab and tear was possible either.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
"Knee lift" is another kenpo technique that is used all the time, similar to the Muy Thai move of grabbing behind the neck and delivering a knee to the midsection or head. We twohand grab to the lapel or shoulders and deliver the knee strike followed by a foot stomp, one motion and then an elbow to the face or side of the head. Yes, I know other martial arts teach these same techniques as well but dont dismiss kenpo as not being able to effectively use any of them as we train much the same way.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
Ballet dancers also kick but that doesn't mean their kicks r effective in a fight. Kenpoists need to start training w/ resisting opponents in full contact setting to really understand the principles of leverage. U'll never be able to hold down a resisting opponent by grabbing his shoulders.You need to break his posture by pulling his neck down
Don't insult real MAs by saying that u train like them.Unrealistic uke training can't be compared to full contact training against resisting opponents
nerdswers 2 years ago
Yes I agree without a gi pulling his neck down is the proper way, all I was stating was that we've used these techniques before, they are not new to MMA or any other style. And I'm not sure where the idea came that we dont do any full contact sparring or get rough in our training, that simply isnt true. I've also trained in kyokushin and earned a green belt and held my own against students of similar rank. The basics of sparring are the same for all styles. Kenpo included
capt37kirk 2 years ago
Kenpo practitioners have been sparring full contact for many many years. I don't understand why anyone thinks that they don't. We also encourage grappling and takedowns as part of the training. See if a leg sweep that takes your leg our from under you is full contact enough. Its not fun hitting the mat hard. Why would any one think that Kenpo is not real martial arts. It's as potent as any other style I've seen. Don't be fooled by youtube videos demonstrating a technique.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
I'm not speaking after watching a video. I wasted 5 years of my life practicing kenpo and got my 3rd brown. During that time, I went to many many kenpo seminars and visited many dojos in the USA and Latin America and the common denominator was a lot of static techniques, lots of light sparring (mostly wild brawls with little technique), lots of hand waiving, little or no grappling and fat instructors.
nerdswers 2 years ago
I stand correct concerning the video. I'm sorry your experience was not a good one. I've had a different experience but hey to each his own. I'm of the opinion we can all take something good from each style. Kenpo in my opinion has some very good things to it. As do many other styles of martial arts. I observe and learn from them all and decide what works and what doesnt for me. No one style has it all. Live and learn. Keep training and pass on what you learn. Its a life long journey.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
To correct a typo of mine...what I meant was I stand correctED concerning your opinion of kenpo based on a video. You have obviously has a lot of kenpo experience and have formed your opinion based on that and not your watching of a video demonstration. Anyway good luck to you.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
you have to admit, though, Tatum kicks some serious uke ass! i bet you he could defeat 200 ukes in a simultaneous attack--taking out at least 20 with the light glinting off of his cutesy earring. can an mma do that?
GohModley 2 years ago
He does! If the 300 Spartans knew kenpo, the world would be governed by greeks. A single spartan could have beaten 5,000 persian fighters...I can even picture the persian fighters standing still in a "monkey line" ready to have their asses kicked.
By the way, I wonder what people think about Hulk Hogan... after all, he fought multiple opponents many times and was victorious. Hulk's story is even more impressive because his opponents were resisting his attacks!! Damn, he is good!
nerdswers 2 years ago
@nerdswers Kempo is retarded as fuck. Look at the vid - of course, let's attack a hairy two middle lenght sticks holding guy with a little knife, whatever. the hairy guy is also like - of course, let's open myself to a knife by swinging my hands this cool.
Just analyze the vid and you'll reconsider how good is kempo and how good was Sparta's falanga strategy. (It's about the distanc fyi)
Obiwan198 1 year ago
@Obiwan198 Very true!! LOL! This guy has been taking money from people who have never seen him demonstrate his prowess against a resisting opponent. The guy is a marketing master like Ed Parker was. That is really where he earned his black belt... MARKETING! No one has EVER seen this guy fight a resisting opponent, much less a competent fighter... and still they give him all the credit in the world.
nerdswers 1 year ago
@nerdswers It's not about training with an resisting opponent, many traditional martial arts don't practice it. It's about how retarted even the basic simulation is.
Pure coolnesss, very american, no martial quality.
Obiwan198 1 year ago
@Obiwan198 That is the American dream... practing martial arts with a static partner who does not strike back so you are allowed to have a huge belly and keep eating oversized fast-food meals.
The unrealistic over-rehearsed techniques are just a bonus.
nerdswers 1 year ago
@nerdswers I've practiced Kempo for over 20yrs now along with boxing, muay tai and basic jujitsu and I have never seen kempo quite like this. It doesn't look very effective to me but maybe he is just trying to show basic footwork. I don't know. In any case, to put kempo/kenpo all into one heap and call it retarded based on this man is crazy. In my school, we train kempo with resisting partners just like jujitsu or boxing in real time. I can assure you that it is effective when done realistically
lookahere 1 year ago
when done that way, the style looks nothing like this(no disrespect to Tatum). ANY style that doesn't take the time to train realistically against resisting partners is doomed in my opinion. Not just kempo. Maybe Tatum has done this in his schools although not on this video. Once again I don't know.
lookahere 1 year ago
@lookahere Agreed. Unfortunately kenpo is well known foe the excessive used of static ukes and little or no real sparring.
nerdswers 1 year ago
@nerdswers You're right. I have seen a lot of demos where the ukes are mere statues in kempo and other arts like Takwondo. I think this is fine for beginners who are learning new techniques but for these so called black belts, there should be a resisting partner. Anybody that thinks their style will be effective without truly testing it in real time sparring are only fooling themselves. Most of the multiple strike sequences in kempo just don't work in real time. Sparring weeds out the fluff.
lookahere 1 year ago
The root of the style truly does work though believe me. The footwork and shifting of weight in order to eliminate the need to re chamber before striking is very effective. Combine that with boxing, jujitsu and muay tai techniques and you become very well rounded. I think for some reason a lot of styles get fantasized here in the U.S.A with a lot of fluff from the movies. A good instructor should be able to cut through the crap remain as realistic as possible in my opinion.
lookahere 1 year ago
@lookahere the fancier styles get, the less realistic they become
nerdswers 1 year ago
Nice to see someone on this board acutally describing kenpo as opposed to talking about what they think it is. However Kirk, I believe you are not describing knee lift, but rather knee of vengeance. Knee lift is an orange belt technique, 7th kyu. Knee of vengeance (which like all kenpo is designed not for sport or to look cool, but to really hurt someone) is a basic yellow belt technique. One of the first you learn.
rockandrollrabbit 2 years ago
Mr Rabbit...I stand corrected, thanks for setting me straight. :>) ..knee of vengeance it is. Regardless of whatever style we choose to learn, just keep training, feel good about yourself, and be the best you can at it. Learn from others and pass it on. Its all good.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
First of all gents, true Kenpo as taught and handed down by James Mitose was originally called Kenpo Jui Jitsu, anyone taught in that style as many of the Mitose/Tracy lineage Kenpo Students have been taught, are well versed in takedowns, joint locks, and submission holds. This along with the striking techniques makes Kenpo very effective. Over the years the jui jitsu was removed from the system however some instructors teach the old way.
capt37kirk 2 years ago
I should be a kenpo GM because I can make fast slapping movements to various parts of the body, and I have a belly out to there.
gomergilligan 2 years ago
maybe but how sweet ass is your hairdo
violentbuddha 2 years ago
I love how tatum says "linear lines". Why doesn't he also say "circular circles". Moron.
GohModley 2 years ago
also its foolish to say Kenpo is untested because its not a UFC staple. first, there have been some decent Kenpo guys in UFC (Chuck Ladell for one) but UFC is not a true test of the value of a MA. that was true 15 years ago but the restrictions have squeezed out most styles. notice before the rules all styles showed up to fight. as the rules changed, the styles left. Kenpo was born on the streets and it still works there. turn off your TV and dont drink Dana White's koolaid.
violentbuddha 2 years ago
have you ever seen Chuck Lidell perform the slightest bit like a kenpoist? NO. what does that tell you?
GohModley 2 years ago
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chinesekenpohapkido 2 years ago
yes he doe and I consider him a friend, thank you. you would be wise to read his comments carefully.
GohModley 2 years ago
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chinesekenpohapkido 2 years ago
Tell me in which UFC fight you've seen Chuck use a SINGLE kenpo technique? 15 years ago,kenpo guys were owned by bjj guys who didn't know shit about striking! Kenpo should've capitalized then,but instead it showed how lame it is.
Kenpo doesn't work on the streets because kenpoists no longer train the way they did in Hawaii in the 40's.All USA kenpo schools are McDojo's.There is no blood on the floor..Now u train on mats with static opponents and fat instructors. That's ur reality today!
nerdswers 2 years ago
i like Larry Tatum buti think this is a bad way of teaching escrima. there are no shortcuts with weapons. believe me, if you try this without SIGNIFICANT training in the basics of stick fighting, you will miss your target, get tangled up or worst of all hit yourself.
violentbuddha 2 years ago
i studied kenpo for yrs. Its grown on me and definitely given me the advantage over anyone off the street.. And we arent talking MMA, UfC.. we are talking typical redneck who thinks he is tough..
chadew11111 2 years ago
Who gives a darn if Lee and Parker trained together? They both had lots of theories that they never tested full contact. We now have a way (MMA and sports like it) to test most of their theories and most were proven false. It doesn't mean that they weren't smart men, it just means that evolution has taken place. In other words...their arts should be allowed to go the way of the dinosaurs, but unfortunatly their are some people that just cant let the fantasies go.
talon115 2 years ago
hey talon. This is defense. Not MMA. Its like gravy compared to steak. Pls dont misunderstand defense. Which saves lives every year. Besides alot of women arent interested in fighting but are willing to learn defense. Thats a start for them. I agree with what your saying completely... .. completely... This is basic defense only ..... nothing more...
chadew11111 2 years ago
I agree. I´m tired of all that self-defens BS. I´ve trained in Lima Lama for 10 years, and I still feel something´s missing. I quit TKD and Karate, cause half of their stuff is a waste of time and money. I want an offensive art. Many times we need to be the aggressors, don´t you think??
budfr 2 years ago
I totally agree. Kenpo is full of waste... too many forms, too much static uke practice, lots of incorrect theories and mechanics and too much focus on the beauty of the movement rather than its effectiveness...
Kenpo is a pretty art, yes, but I would not count on it to defend myself, much like I would not count on ballet to defend myself.
nerdswers 2 years ago
i have to ask a question that has popped in my mind since reading your recent comments. what is your opinion of Kajukenbo as compared to modern Kenpo?
violentbuddha 2 years ago
For some reason, people like to make distinctions among these 2 systems (Kajukenbo and Kenpo) as much as they like to make distinctions between evangelical and pentecostal churches.
At the root, both systems are identical. As a matter of fact, kajukenbo's full name is Kajukenbo Kenpo Karate. Although Kajukenbo tends to be a bit more pragmatic, conservative (less flashy) than the "modern kenpo" most schools like to teach these days, the training methods and basic philosophy is the same.
nerdswers 2 years ago
The modern kenpo movement, just like the modern evangelical movement, believes that the more flashy you make it, the more McDojo followers you get.
nerdswers 2 years ago
on this one point i can agree with you. i come from a very stripped down Kempo and we found when we decided to remove the 'flash' (cuz you dont need 30 wavy hand moves to stop a guy) our class size went from 40 to 4. now there are only 7 of us training on borrowed dojo time. our lineage was Cerio Kempo but even that has been bastardized from what it was in his youth. i still have to disagree on its effectiveness but i will admit its overcomplication and desire toards mass appeal a la TKD
violentbuddha 2 years ago
Very true. This is also why Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kempo schools started training with very light or no contact at all... they couldn't keep students as they were afraid of full contact training.
Now, kenpo and kajukenbo focus on training with static ukes or, even worst, doing techniques "on the air" (without an uke).This is what Bruce Lee called "dry swimming". Parker is to blame for it.He focused 2 much on making dramatic demos instead of focusing on short, powerful and effective techniques
nerdswers 2 years ago
valen cagampa jamas le an ganado a alguien en torneos son los tipicos gringos vendiendo la pomada
bestmankkshin 2 years ago
lee did study under Parker
damkrayzie 2 years ago
Met Tatum a few years ago. He's all about the cash & image.
Reizermo 2 years ago
Done my first Kenpo class today, love it!
Untitleder 2 years ago
the same like escrima!
456253971 2 years ago
Please provide evidence to support your assertion that Lee "studied under" Parker.
stevevandien 2 years ago
Physical contacts are to unpredictable to break down like this.
talon115 2 years ago
YEAH...Chuck Lidell absolutely sucks!
KenpoanBjj 2 years ago
Larry Tatum, the hair warrior!
DaveyLoyal1 2 years ago 5
Boxing is king. Tyson or Holyfield primed would kill ANY kenpo fighter.
thisonefuckinguy 2 years ago
not everything is in bute strenght and body mass.
jinkhan01 2 years ago
Absolutely!
nerdswers 2 years ago
Saying all Kenpo practitioners use static training is wrong. I use resistant opponents and it still works very well. So yes static bad resistant good. In a studio, any style especially boxing or wrestling which are tailored to rules, you cant practice for the street. You cant go full force on someone you know breaking a leg, arm isn't done. So talk after you've fought to defend something more than your ego... If you think resistant opponents is all there is to it...youre the one under training.
blackbelt3141 2 years ago 3
Kenpo is a waste of time. It is a theoretical exercise that has been proven to fail in full contact fights. In fact, there is no real evidence that kenpo works other than the mythical stories from kenpo practitioners.
nerdswers 2 years ago
obviously you have never trained long enough to learn the art with a comment like this
Regards
Kurtbliss 2 years ago