This was the most inventive type of attack I've ever seen in any incarnation of Star Trek.
The 2nd one (in my opinion) would be the introduction of the Federation TR-116 sniper rifle in DS9. (Firing a bullet from several bulkheads away from a target, beaming the fired bullet to appear just inches in front of the target (yet remaining its trajectory and momentum), and impaling the target/victim. Gruesome, yes, but still ingenious.
@TheRealityJack maybe you should watch the episode they were remodulating shields...and they suffered heavy damage...Voyager was far more powerful then that probe even Chakotay said that in the episode later.
Despite what most say, I loved the show and miss it today. Never had an issue with the amount of main characters, they did keep track of how many crew were on board and reduced the amount over the run of the series as people were killed off, and they kept true to the premise... getting home. Sure, Janeway and Paris turning in to those creatures was silly, but then, no show is perfect.
They didn't keep track of the number of crewmembers aboard - it went up and down, and the premise was more than just "getting home", it was about being alone/away from support/with two crews that have to work together despite differences. I enjoyed the show but there's no point in denying its flaws.
@80smusicfanNO1 Where did I say I was denying it's flaws? I said no show was perfect. And the show's main goal was getting home. There were other things along the way, but it's main purpose was to get home. I also don't recall any inconsistencies with the amount of people on board the ship. It started with 146 (after leaving the Caretaker) and went down from there.
The 37's: 154. Distant Origins: 148. In the Flesh: 127. Timeless: 152. Dark Frontier: 143. Gravity: 152. Someone to Watch Over Me: 146. Author, Author: 146. Not to mention that a female Vulcan who appears out of nowhere in "repression" totally contradicting what we saw in "Counterpoint" and "Blood Fever". The producers just didn't care about the little details and that's why it did not become a GREAT show, just a good one.
And yes, the purpose was to go home. But the show was sold on the premise that it wouldn't be like TNG because it was a ship alone struggling on the other side of the universe. What did we get? A ship with seemingly limitless supplies, shuttles and torpedoes, and they even managed to keep the holodeck running! Oh and the Maquis were all in Starfleet uniform by the end of the first episode. Pretty ridiculous! Voyager failed in its premise, it only succeeded in being a TNG clone.
@80smusicfanNO1 VOY's premise wasn't that good to begin with, which is why it always would've been hard to do in the Trekverse. Most other shows that have premises like Voyagers' always have the starship be automated so the crew don't have to do anything or restock supplies (Blakes Seven, LEXX, Farscape, etc).
@MrKellG if you watch the video it is obvious that the shields were damaged in the phaser exchange between Voyager and the Probe badly enough to allow for Voyager to beam onboard a torpedo. This is backed up by the statement "Regenerate primary shied matrix" just before the Photon Torpedo was beamed onboard indicating that the USS Voyager had done enough damage to the ship to knock out it's shield capacity in some form.
Most people talk without watching the full episode and sound like idiots, they beamed the torp the sec the borg remodulated ( dunno how its spelled) there shields...and when ur shields are reactivated u CANT BEAM ANYTHING !!!!! HATERS Of VOYAGER GO AWAY.
@miloootic So then during a major battle with a Borg ship, Voyager dropped their shields so they could beam out? The second they dropped their shields to beam in, The Borg would have done major damage or even beamed away teams of their own to assimilate Voyager
@himvalo666 They could've viewed it as tactically inefficient. The Borg may be a force to be reckoned with, but that's due to how smart and careful they are.
@miloootic Well the Borg said "Regenerate primary shield matrix", at which point the torpedo was beamed in. Most likely Voyager found a way to beam through their own shields but not anyone else's.
The Borg have learned a valuble lesson. If your going to fuck with the Federation, try to avoid ships captained by a Federation experiment to create the single most badass entity in the entire universe (a very successful experiment at that).
There's two ways to deal with the Borg in Star Trek. Send a fleet of 65 ships led by Captain Picard and consider 90% casualties a victory.... or just send Voyager.... :\
I too think that Voyager made the borg weak looking, I hate the episode where one of the Voyager crew (I can't remember which one, I think it's Chakotay) is stuck in some village of Borg deserters and they decide to heal him by getting into some spastic prayer circle and using their energy , it's not how the borg heal them selves in other episodes, and nano probes would have been a better explanation.
I agree, but you gatta remember, the only reason the borg were strong in early TNG episodes was because the FEDS didnt have kind of defense against them not knowing how to fight them. Its like the Jem hadar how 3 small ships blew up a Galaxy class ship in DS9.
I think the reason Voyager was so badass against the borg later on was because they knew how to deal with them, plus had the help of 7 of 9
@80smusicfanNO1 It's Trek, there are always redshirts/goldshirts getting killed off with impunity. Folks just like to pick on VOY even though it's no worse than other Trek shows in regards to crew numbers.
Uh, people point it out with regards to Voyager because it was stranded on the other side of the Galaxy and there was no reason for the crew numbers to go up and down - that was just lack of attention to detail by the writers and showrunners who weren't treating the ship like it was actually lost.
@80smusicfanNO1 Which is part of how the premise constrained the show. They should've never mentioned how big the crew was so no one would question things like that.
The premise did not constrain the show. The whole idea of Voyager was that it had another premise from TNG otherwise they would have just continued with it. But the writers and showrunners weren't up to realizing Voyager's potential and it became a TNG clone that tried to ignore its premise, that's why the show is quite poorly received among the media and trek fans.
The writers and the showrunners had a blank canvas to do anything they wanted. It wasn't like Gilligan's Island because they weren't stuck in one place. They had a whole new quadrant to play with - new threats, new aliens, new things to explore. Unfortunately we didn't really get much cohesion or continuity out of that, and the writers couldn't even keep tabs on the number of crew or the number of supposedly irreplaceable photon torpedoes. I enjoyed it but meh, wasted potential.
@80smusicfanNO1 It was Gilligan's Island because they were never going to find a way home until the series finale, and always moving meant they'd never stay in one play to ever flesh anything/anyplace/any new enemies out properly. And exploring "new things" would just make viewers angrier because it took away from them always moving on their way back to Earth. So they couldn't flesh anything out, and they couldn't explore properly, all because of the premise.
The writers and showrunners had challenges they had to face, making "Voyage" a great show that lived up to its premise was not impossible. They failed to meet those challenges. Its as simple as that, they couldn't even keep tabs on how many crew there were for goodness sake.
@80smusicfanNO1 Number of crew is relatively unimportant, with shows like Farscape they ship doesn't need a crew so the writers can focus on the sole 5 or so crewmembers, and in NuBSG they gave the fleet tens of thousands of people so they wouldn't have to bother with anything but big numbers.
What VOY needed to be truly great was a plot beyond "Going home", because "Going home" is just a starter plot good for one season.
The number of crew was just one of the small things in Voyager that should have been kept monitoried, in order to make Voyager actually seem like a real spaceship on the other side of the galaxy. You can only blame the premise so much. You can't blame the premise for lacklustre and uneven character development, and lack of continuity. Even if the premise is flawed like you claim, the show still had the potential to be better than it was
@80smusicfanNO1 I blame the showrunners for giving the show a big cast when it didn't need one, and for some of those characters not being worthy of primary cast in the first place (Kim, Kes, Neelix, even Torres). I also blame them for bad casting (Wang and Beltran).
I also think they should've waited until DS9 was done, and hired a new permanent staff of writers for the whole show instead of temporary writers who came in and left.
The cast wasn't too big, the writers of DS9 managed to develop a main cast and a cast of secondary characters. Maybe you're right about waiting for DS9 to finish so they could use the whole pool of Trek talent to try and make the show good. But in the end, the writers and showrunners failed to make Voyager break out of the TNG mold and it therefore failed as a spinoff that was meant to bring something new.
Normally I wouldn't defend Voyager's treatment of the Borg but I feel that this might actually be an exception as I remember that the Borg queen said something to seven about how she had planned to bring her back to the collective but with her humanity intact and since the destruction of this probe lead to that I think it was maybe allowed to be destroyed for that plan to be carried out. But of course after this episode there's no excuse for later defeats.
@FederationStarfleet cmon :P,the intrepid is good ship with high speed and sensors as well average weapons and defenses...the borg seem weak in voyager becoz they were no longer a mystery they were revealed to the fans. episodes like raven/dark frontier/unimatrix 0...helped us understand the borg more and with the aid of hansens previous research and seven of nine knowledge voyager and the crew were able to stand up to the borg...
It doesnt take a master mind to realize that the Borg in Voyager are very different from the Borg in TNG or First Contact.
Why is Voyager always beating off the Borg when a whole Federation fleet with ships a lot more powerful than Voyager (Sovereign, Galaxy, Akira, Nebula, Defiant, Prometheus) have trouble fending off ONE borg cube ?
You forget Picard was Locutus. But even with him around, the Borg werent turned into the "Alien of the week".
I am talking about all the canon info we have our there.
TNG technical manuals, Ds9 technical manuels, and on screen evidence.
I never said the Probe should have defeated Voyager, all we are saying here is that instead of beaming the torpedo into space, the borg just look at the torpedo and wait till it blows up. That would never have happened in TNG. This is one of the MANY episodes where Voyager make the borg look like "the alien of the week".
awsome vid but really have to disagree,this is a borg probe with limited weapons and defenses its designed to scout for the armada and thts it. and nebula and galaxy class are only better then intrepid in video games,if you check official trek.com you will all find tht the intrepid is the most advanced starship in the federation , just coz voyager is smaller in size doesent mean its weaker then other starships.
mmm...no, take a look at the technical manuals, the Intrepid class is quite inferior to Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Prometheus, Sovereign class ships. The Intrepid is the equivalent of a light cruiser and is quite limited as far as tactical capabilities. As for the probe, a ship that size is still equiped with transporters and is well suited for attack and assimilation.
The borg in this ship are no different from the borg in the cubes or spheres.
All of them. Its a general consencus that the borg in Voyager are far weaker than the ones in TNG. At Wolf359, a single cube destroyed over 40 Starship. Many of those starships (Galaxy class, Nebula Class) were more powerful than Voyager.
Yet Voyager is constantly exchanging fire with borg ships and survives to tell the tale. I just find it ridiculous how the writters made the borg look weak in this series.
"What episode in particular would name where Voyager makes the Borg look weak"
..Umm this one. The Borg, with all their billions of minds working together, decided to DISARM the goddamn torpedo beamed aboard their ship instead of just beaming it back at Voyager. Good job Berman.
Exactly, the borg could have beamed the torpedo back before Voyager put its shields back up after beaming it....or they could have beamed it into space. Most species probably wouldnt be able to do this fast enough, but these are BORG ! lol
Beaming it into space would be the more likely choice, since the odds of getting it back on voyager before they get their shields back up is... uncertain.
This was the most inventive type of attack I've ever seen in any incarnation of Star Trek.
The 2nd one (in my opinion) would be the introduction of the Federation TR-116 sniper rifle in DS9. (Firing a bullet from several bulkheads away from a target, beaming the fired bullet to appear just inches in front of the target (yet remaining its trajectory and momentum), and impaling the target/victim. Gruesome, yes, but still ingenious.
rkmugen 4 days ago
Not today, and not by you! (Alright, wrong episode, but you get the idea!)
DukeOfRigel 3 weeks ago
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TheRealityJack 4 weeks ago
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TheRealityJack 1 month ago
@TheRealityJack maybe you should watch the episode they were remodulating shields...and they suffered heavy damage...Voyager was far more powerful then that probe even Chakotay said that in the episode later.
miloootic 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from FederationStarfleet
Number 1 problem with Voyager: there was never a feeling Voyager was ever in any real danger. This episode was a prime example of it.
CaitiVoltaire 1 month ago
@CaitiVoltaire There definitely was in the episode, "Year of Hell".
ExtremeFaithInJesus 1 week ago
When the torpedo detonated, it should have FAR more powerful!!!
mrthebillman 1 month ago
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
matt45975 1 month ago
There should be a Borg voice Short before the Explosion
"Shidt!"
oninoni1234 1 month ago
Voyager Rocks!
8sdbv 3 months ago
I dont think its as popular as starwars because star wars is basically a fairy tale. Star trek was more realistic
Htown20XX 3 months ago
Yeah I was gonna say, there were shields on that Borg ship. Though tiny ships like that might be shield equipped, dunno though, doesn't seem cannon.
testarossafate 3 months ago
Glad someone figured out that if the Borg don't have shields, you can just teleport bombs over instead of an Away Team.
Taospark 3 months ago
Despite what most say, I loved the show and miss it today. Never had an issue with the amount of main characters, they did keep track of how many crew were on board and reduced the amount over the run of the series as people were killed off, and they kept true to the premise... getting home. Sure, Janeway and Paris turning in to those creatures was silly, but then, no show is perfect.
Defiant47 3 months ago
@Defiant47
They didn't keep track of the number of crewmembers aboard - it went up and down, and the premise was more than just "getting home", it was about being alone/away from support/with two crews that have to work together despite differences. I enjoyed the show but there's no point in denying its flaws.
80smusicfanNO1 2 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 Where did I say I was denying it's flaws? I said no show was perfect. And the show's main goal was getting home. There were other things along the way, but it's main purpose was to get home. I also don't recall any inconsistencies with the amount of people on board the ship. It started with 146 (after leaving the Caretaker) and went down from there.
Defiant47 2 months ago
@Defiant47
The 37's: 154. Distant Origins: 148. In the Flesh: 127. Timeless: 152. Dark Frontier: 143. Gravity: 152. Someone to Watch Over Me: 146. Author, Author: 146. Not to mention that a female Vulcan who appears out of nowhere in "repression" totally contradicting what we saw in "Counterpoint" and "Blood Fever". The producers just didn't care about the little details and that's why it did not become a GREAT show, just a good one.
80smusicfanNO1 2 months ago
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80smusicfanNO1 2 months ago
@Defiant47
And yes, the purpose was to go home. But the show was sold on the premise that it wouldn't be like TNG because it was a ship alone struggling on the other side of the universe. What did we get? A ship with seemingly limitless supplies, shuttles and torpedoes, and they even managed to keep the holodeck running! Oh and the Maquis were all in Starfleet uniform by the end of the first episode. Pretty ridiculous! Voyager failed in its premise, it only succeeded in being a TNG clone.
80smusicfanNO1 2 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 VOY's premise wasn't that good to begin with, which is why it always would've been hard to do in the Trekverse. Most other shows that have premises like Voyagers' always have the starship be automated so the crew don't have to do anything or restock supplies (Blakes Seven, LEXX, Farscape, etc).
ShadowSonic2 2 months ago
Borg Queen must have disliked this video
Uberdude25 4 months ago
Looks like they figured out how to beam through thier shields like the Borg do. Why not? They fire through them.
MrKellG 5 months ago
@MrKellG if you watch the video it is obvious that the shields were damaged in the phaser exchange between Voyager and the Probe badly enough to allow for Voyager to beam onboard a torpedo. This is backed up by the statement "Regenerate primary shied matrix" just before the Photon Torpedo was beamed onboard indicating that the USS Voyager had done enough damage to the ship to knock out it's shield capacity in some form.
Jackneill45 4 months ago
@Jackneill45 Ok, I see where you're coming from
MrKellG 4 months ago
Ah... the photon torpedo... total ownage! :p
terrywest111 5 months ago
Isn't beaming a photon torpedo really really stupid because one might end up just detonating the antimatter inside their own ship?
CobaltX07 6 months ago
when the Borg opened the boom he was probably thinking its a double rainbow.
OrionWesson 6 months ago
At the end I was waiting for the Borg to go "Uh-oh."
WolfWithGoldenWings 6 months ago
Borg response:
Oh look they beamed a bomb on board, let's walk slowly towards it and stare. Maybe it'll go away.
Hyperion1012 7 months ago 27
Most people talk without watching the full episode and sound like idiots, they beamed the torp the sec the borg remodulated ( dunno how its spelled) there shields...and when ur shields are reactivated u CANT BEAM ANYTHING !!!!! HATERS Of VOYAGER GO AWAY.
miloootic 7 months ago 3
@miloootic So then during a major battle with a Borg ship, Voyager dropped their shields so they could beam out? The second they dropped their shields to beam in, The Borg would have done major damage or even beamed away teams of their own to assimilate Voyager
himvalo666 6 months ago
@himvalo666 They could've viewed it as tactically inefficient. The Borg may be a force to be reckoned with, but that's due to how smart and careful they are.
TrueGamer13 6 months ago
@miloootic Well the Borg said "Regenerate primary shield matrix", at which point the torpedo was beamed in. Most likely Voyager found a way to beam through their own shields but not anyone else's.
Sovereign01 6 months ago
Why would the Borg be so naive
Hero87 8 months ago 2
that borg ship must have been running windows vista
PlantOParadise 9 months ago 2
The Borg have learned a valuble lesson. If your going to fuck with the Federation, try to avoid ships captained by a Federation experiment to create the single most badass entity in the entire universe (a very successful experiment at that).
randomface54 9 months ago 2
what if the borg got the blue screen of death lmao
TheFordSierra 9 months ago
I've been looking everywhere for the intro to Dark Frontier! Thanks so much for uploading it. :D
TrueGamer13 9 months ago
Yo Borg...its called beaming the torpedo off the ship. >_>"
Animeextreme25 9 months ago
@Animeextreme25 Not if you're watching Voyager.
Crymson1 9 months ago
It's damn cool to see a fight from the Borg's perspective. Damn fascinating.
FekLeyrTarg 9 months ago
There's two ways to deal with the Borg in Star Trek. Send a fleet of 65 ships led by Captain Picard and consider 90% casualties a victory.... or just send Voyager.... :\
CrimsonMystery 11 months ago
Janeway after entering the cargo bay where Voyager beamed the Borg wreckage for useful parts:"Now THIS is how I prefer the Borg...in pieces."
Lizfan2 11 months ago 3
why didnt they assimilate that torpedo?
ashesnmisery 11 months ago
Couldn't the Borg have just teleported the bomb off?
BizWiz2000 11 months ago
I too think that Voyager made the borg weak looking, I hate the episode where one of the Voyager crew (I can't remember which one, I think it's Chakotay) is stuck in some village of Borg deserters and they decide to heal him by getting into some spastic prayer circle and using their energy , it's not how the borg heal them selves in other episodes, and nano probes would have been a better explanation.
Sadochrist 1 year ago
@Sadochrist
I agree, but you gatta remember, the only reason the borg were strong in early TNG episodes was because the FEDS didnt have kind of defense against them not knowing how to fight them. Its like the Jem hadar how 3 small ships blew up a Galaxy class ship in DS9.
I think the reason Voyager was so badass against the borg later on was because they knew how to deal with them, plus had the help of 7 of 9
1ownjoo2 11 months ago
@1ownjoo2 Plus its Janeway. "Knock down shields, beam cooked photon torpedo on board, ???, Pro-Victory."
Saiko47 11 months ago
Big mistake disturbing Janeway while she's drinking her morning coffee...
StarTrekMarco 1 year ago
143 lifeforms?
Only on Voyager, could the crew of a lost ship continually increase throughout the show.
80smusicfanNO1 1 year ago
@80smusicfanNO1
They started out with 157+ 3 (7 Of 9, Neelix, Kes) + 1 (Naomi)
Kes left at this point, many have died. Number isn't wrong.
Spectual1 1 year ago
In "The 37s", there are 152 crew members
In "Distant Origin", there are 147 lifesigns detected on the ship
In "In the Flesh", there is said to be 127 crewmembers
In "Dark Frontier", there are 143 lifesigns on Voyager
In "Gravity", there are said to be 154 people on Voyager
In "Someone to Watch Over me", there are 146 crewmembers
In "Author, Author", there are still 146 despite deaths
The lack of attention paid to keeping a consistent crew count is testament to Voyager's awful continuity
80smusicfanNO1 1 year ago
@80smusicfanNO1 lol to quote seven of nine :P procreation...u got 140 something people who are verry lonely .
miloootic 1 year ago
Unless the crew were secretly having babies and killing them and then having more, there really isn't any explanation other than writer laziness.
80smusicfanNO1 1 year ago
@80smusicfanNO1 Yep there are continuety errors
But it is still a good show
cornishphilosopher 11 months ago
@cornishphilosopher
FO SHO
80smusicfanNO1 11 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 It's Trek, there are always redshirts/goldshirts getting killed off with impunity. Folks just like to pick on VOY even though it's no worse than other Trek shows in regards to crew numbers.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@ShadowSonic2
Uh, people point it out with regards to Voyager because it was stranded on the other side of the Galaxy and there was no reason for the crew numbers to go up and down - that was just lack of attention to detail by the writers and showrunners who weren't treating the ship like it was actually lost.
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 Which is part of how the premise constrained the show. They should've never mentioned how big the crew was so no one would question things like that.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@ShadowSonic2
The premise did not constrain the show. The whole idea of Voyager was that it had another premise from TNG otherwise they would have just continued with it. But the writers and showrunners weren't up to realizing Voyager's potential and it became a TNG clone that tried to ignore its premise, that's why the show is quite poorly received among the media and trek fans.
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 No, it did constrain them too much. It was the space version of "Gilligan's Island", a premise only good for 1 season at most.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@ShadowSonic2
The writers and the showrunners had a blank canvas to do anything they wanted. It wasn't like Gilligan's Island because they weren't stuck in one place. They had a whole new quadrant to play with - new threats, new aliens, new things to explore. Unfortunately we didn't really get much cohesion or continuity out of that, and the writers couldn't even keep tabs on the number of crew or the number of supposedly irreplaceable photon torpedoes. I enjoyed it but meh, wasted potential.
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 It was Gilligan's Island because they were never going to find a way home until the series finale, and always moving meant they'd never stay in one play to ever flesh anything/anyplace/any new enemies out properly. And exploring "new things" would just make viewers angrier because it took away from them always moving on their way back to Earth. So they couldn't flesh anything out, and they couldn't explore properly, all because of the premise.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@ShadowSonic2
The writers and showrunners had challenges they had to face, making "Voyage" a great show that lived up to its premise was not impossible. They failed to meet those challenges. Its as simple as that, they couldn't even keep tabs on how many crew there were for goodness sake.
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 Number of crew is relatively unimportant, with shows like Farscape they ship doesn't need a crew so the writers can focus on the sole 5 or so crewmembers, and in NuBSG they gave the fleet tens of thousands of people so they wouldn't have to bother with anything but big numbers.
What VOY needed to be truly great was a plot beyond "Going home", because "Going home" is just a starter plot good for one season.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@ShadowSonic2
The number of crew was just one of the small things in Voyager that should have been kept monitoried, in order to make Voyager actually seem like a real spaceship on the other side of the galaxy. You can only blame the premise so much. You can't blame the premise for lacklustre and uneven character development, and lack of continuity. Even if the premise is flawed like you claim, the show still had the potential to be better than it was
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 I blame the showrunners for giving the show a big cast when it didn't need one, and for some of those characters not being worthy of primary cast in the first place (Kim, Kes, Neelix, even Torres). I also blame them for bad casting (Wang and Beltran).
I also think they should've waited until DS9 was done, and hired a new permanent staff of writers for the whole show instead of temporary writers who came in and left.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
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@ShadowSonic2
The cast wasn't too big, the writers of DS9 managed to develop a main cast and a cast of secondary characters. Maybe you're right about waiting for DS9 to finish so they could use the whole pool of Trek talent to try and make the show good. But in the end, the writers and showrunners failed to make Voyager break out of the TNG mold and it therefore failed as a spinoff that was meant to bring something new.
80smusicfanNO1 4 months ago
@80smusicfanNO1 Before it wears out its welcome.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
I hate the way everyone complains about how weak the borg look....really not
dspikey 1 year ago
VESSEL IDENTIFIED.
FEDERATION STARFLEET.
INTREPID CLASS.
143 LIFEFORMS.
PREPARE FOR ASSIMILATION.
piplupsingularity 1 year ago 13
Awesome : D
champFichtnerBourne 1 year ago
Normally I wouldn't defend Voyager's treatment of the Borg but I feel that this might actually be an exception as I remember that the Borg queen said something to seven about how she had planned to bring her back to the collective but with her humanity intact and since the destruction of this probe lead to that I think it was maybe allowed to be destroyed for that plan to be carried out. But of course after this episode there's no excuse for later defeats.
mummra4ever 1 year ago
Pan ! Dans ta face ! Ils sont trop cons ces Borgs ! loool !
DAYN64 1 year ago 3
@DAYN64
Sérieusement ! Les Borgs dans Voyager sont débile comparer à ceux de Star Trek La Nouvelle Génération !
Ayant dit cela, j'aime quand même le début de cet épisode...il est très original !
Bonsoir !
Ton ami du Québec : )
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
@FederationStarfleet Les Borgs? How interesting
andrewkilroyable 8 months ago
@DAYN64
Sérieusement ! Les Borgs dans Voyager sont débile comparer à ceux de Star Trek La Nouvelle Génération !
Ayant dit cela, j'aime quand même le début de cet épisode...il est très original !
Bonsoir !
Ton ami du Québec : )
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
It's funny how the Borg had a bad look on his face when the bomb went off. They weren't expecting THAT plan!
BygPhattyPlus 1 year ago
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Sparmi1 1 year ago
@miloootic
After seeing Voyager, one would think that Janeway and her crew would be able to defeat the Dominion singlehandedly, lol !
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
@FederationStarfleet cmon :P,the intrepid is good ship with high speed and sensors as well average weapons and defenses...the borg seem weak in voyager becoz they were no longer a mystery they were revealed to the fans. episodes like raven/dark frontier/unimatrix 0...helped us understand the borg more and with the aid of hansens previous research and seven of nine knowledge voyager and the crew were able to stand up to the borg...
miloootic 1 year ago
It doesnt take a master mind to realize that the Borg in Voyager are very different from the Borg in TNG or First Contact.
Why is Voyager always beating off the Borg when a whole Federation fleet with ships a lot more powerful than Voyager (Sovereign, Galaxy, Akira, Nebula, Defiant, Prometheus) have trouble fending off ONE borg cube ?
You forget Picard was Locutus. But even with him around, the Borg werent turned into the "Alien of the week".
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
@FederationStarfleet The other shows had cannon fodder to sacrifice to the Borg to make them tough, VOY had none of that for their stories.
ShadowSonic2 4 months ago
@miloootic
I am talking about all the canon info we have our there.
TNG technical manuals, Ds9 technical manuels, and on screen evidence.
I never said the Probe should have defeated Voyager, all we are saying here is that instead of beaming the torpedo into space, the borg just look at the torpedo and wait till it blows up. That would never have happened in TNG. This is one of the MANY episodes where Voyager make the borg look like "the alien of the week".
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
awsome vid but really have to disagree,this is a borg probe with limited weapons and defenses its designed to scout for the armada and thts it. and nebula and galaxy class are only better then intrepid in video games,if you check official trek.com you will all find tht the intrepid is the most advanced starship in the federation , just coz voyager is smaller in size doesent mean its weaker then other starships.
miloootic 1 year ago
@miloootic
mmm...no, take a look at the technical manuals, the Intrepid class is quite inferior to Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Prometheus, Sovereign class ships. The Intrepid is the equivalent of a light cruiser and is quite limited as far as tactical capabilities. As for the probe, a ship that size is still equiped with transporters and is well suited for attack and assimilation.
The borg in this ship are no different from the borg in the cubes or spheres.
Voyager makes them look weak.
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
Interesting. Now I need to watch this episode (I haven't yet seen this one, though Voyager is one of my favorites).
Atowntrekkie 1 year ago
@Atowntrekkie
It was a good two part episode.
You would probably like it ; )
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
@FederationStarfleet
I probably would. I still consider Scorpion as a couple of the best episodes in that series, though.
Atowntrekkie 1 year ago 2
Big bad Borg go BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!
BADBOYCH 1 year ago
Nice upload. Love those ominous beginnings!
I'm wondering. What episode in particular would name where Voyager makes the Borg look weak?
HMDerek4 1 year ago
@HMDerek4
All of them. Its a general consencus that the borg in Voyager are far weaker than the ones in TNG. At Wolf359, a single cube destroyed over 40 Starship. Many of those starships (Galaxy class, Nebula Class) were more powerful than Voyager.
Yet Voyager is constantly exchanging fire with borg ships and survives to tell the tale. I just find it ridiculous how the writters made the borg look weak in this series.
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
"What episode in particular would name where Voyager makes the Borg look weak"
..Umm this one. The Borg, with all their billions of minds working together, decided to DISARM the goddamn torpedo beamed aboard their ship instead of just beaming it back at Voyager. Good job Berman.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
@billyboyjennings
Exactly, the borg could have beamed the torpedo back before Voyager put its shields back up after beaming it....or they could have beamed it into space. Most species probably wouldnt be able to do this fast enough, but these are BORG ! lol
FederationStarfleet 1 year ago
Probably just beam it back into space near Voyager and let it detonate. They had a full 15 seconds to do it.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
Beaming it into space would be the more likely choice, since the odds of getting it back on voyager before they get their shields back up is... uncertain.
Perion 1 year ago
very cool :)
ravenwoodindy 1 year ago