wow some of the comments in this video are pretty stupid. A human crew can get tired over hours of battle, a machine doesnt. When the caliber of the artillery get bigger and heavier, the machine beats a human hand down. Removing a human from a crew reduces the vehicle size and vehicle weight.
Do you idiots that dont like autoloaders still use bolt action rifles over semiautomatics that *shock* autoload your next round? Too many parts that can break huh?
please who posted this video do research, the M109A6 PIM is an automatic loading weapon. however like everyone is saying theres too much that can go wrong if something isnt cleaned properly.
human loading > autoloading, normal artillery > self-propelled, fast, reliable, accurate and up of all extremely cost effective... i dont understand the claims of humans getting tired loading, you are constantly changing positions, there is not really any scenario where you would shoot over 20-30 rounds from one position
@konttka then you've obviously never been on a gunline. the standard 155mm HE round weighs 97 pounds. even on a 10 round mission you've just moved 970 pounds. double that for a 20rd mission and triple for 30. theres usually only one person running the rounds. maybe two if the section is lucky. and yes there are plenty of scenarios where they shoot as many as 60 and 70 rounds missions. thats just coming from my husband who is a 13b in the army right now though.
@ahoneycutt0710 yea i guess it differs from country to country how many crew members there are, you are definately right alone the thing would be pain.. i might be wrong but up here i think we got 2-3 guys running the ammo alone or one is preparing etc... still in real full scale warfare i doubt there would be any scenario involving 60-70 rounds, but that depends on the country's strategies and tactics again, no need to argue about that. I still see the modern auto-loaders a bit silly..
I served on a Paladin for 4 years, and this is just damn ridiculous. It took almost 9 minutes on a 15 round mission. That's....Pathetic ! ! ! We were busting out 10 rounds in less than 2 minutes in our sleep. Of course we didn't swab between each and every round, and I didn't use a lanyard to fire (always finger pop). But even still.....9 minutes to do 15? Get it together Redlegs.
@Foresaker937 We had to go by the book.... Swab the chamber after every round... Swab the breech after every round. Verify all the powders. As far as finger popping, been there done that. Did it all the time for the Moway House demos we always did. We had MG Rigby (former FT. SILL Commander) right outside the back door making sure we did everything by the book....
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Autoloaders > Human beings. Load bigger shells, faster, and with the same speed. Autoloaders don't get tired, they don't get hurt, they have a very low chance of mechanical failure if they are well designed (just look at the Leclerc or the Pzh 2000). There is no reason you should use a human loader over an autoloader except for ridiculous reasons like "humans > machines" or some baseless belief that autoloaders will somehow fail all the time at the worst possible moment.
@SecuR0M There is actually a fantastic reason for going with a paladin over a crusader system. How many human loading systems can you get for the price of a auto loading artillery system? It is economically foolish to buy something that is that much more expensive when the one you have does the job just fine. Yes, auto loaders will be the future, but at this point in time it is just not feasible to pursue it. Plus anything the Paladin can't take care of the MLRS can.
@wekker090 The Crusader project was scrapped by then General Eric Shenseki, because he felt the Crusader wasn't "light" enough. He came from a light infantry background, and if he'd had it completely his way then, everything would've been light enough to drop out the back of a C-Class plane. Fortunately, I got to be on the test team for the MACS 'build-a-charge' system (the propellant), and I believe IT is used today in the Paladins.
The Paladin crew was suppose to be one the best and they were required to follow all safety steps in firing their weapon.
I use to work on the Crusader program. Crusader could fire 10 rounds in 1 min, have all 10 rounds hit the target at the same time, and move within the next minute. The Paladin can not do that.
The Paladin crew is exposed to direct & indirect enemy fire. Crusader's crew would not have been exposed.
Crusader was canceled because it didn't meet Rumy's vision of the future.
@RadioNuiPek Hey, I used to do that job in the paladin and my crew was way faster.We could put rounds down range at the rate of six a minute, provided that the deflection didn't change. I do like the crusader but there is know replacing the human element with machines. Damn I miss my old job just not the sorry pay.
@Mr62ford true... there is nothing like human power in the army and any where the more special thing about this job is the binding between the soldiers that make them fell more powerful
@Mr62ford because we have m109 here in israel, and i am also a part of the second battalion 298 artilery division, we still trying to break a record heheh
The Crusader doesn't have to swab it's barrel after every shot, which takes longer than loading a round and charges and firing them. If the paladin crew didn't swab the barrel, it'd be behind by only a round or two, three at the most.
The Crusader is definitely better, but not by enough to make it worth it's price. As i recall the military actually looked at PZH-2000's over the Crusader before deciding to stick with the Paladin.
I can't believe that this crew was this slow, I've read that a good crew can do 20 shots a min.
I'd like to know about the logistics here. Where is the ammo train and crew quarters? How much fuel and how many spare rounds does it carry? Since they need a generator to power it, what kind of heat signature does it create?
there is no needance for hurricane fire of 15 rounds at one target when one good projectile can eliminate target. There is not one howitzer attacking city or panzer column. There is a divisional module of howitzers. Still Paladin kickin arse
As said before. Depends on what kind of fire mission it is. Now I'm no person saying which has better accuracy/range but in a fire mission situation you would have about 3 or more of any gun to keep consistant fire.
I rather have my artillery support done by a trained crew and not a computer... the hands on approach is less likely to foul up... just dont like the idea of a computer crashing and leave me hanging when i need direct fire support... if you could manually load and fire that would be different, still an impressive weapon none the less...
Not when it comes down to individual arms. But like I said in my comment not when it comes down to fire support. I want a man on system, not a computer...
Just watch the video again, and again... Do you see how complex this is? Do you see how many things could get out of whack and not be able to feed the gun? If you were needing fire support to suppress the enemy who has you pinned down would you trust your life with it? I trust the man on the ground putting rounds on target with his highly trained crew, before I trust this complex machine, ran by a computer. To much can go wrong... and when it does... your dead...
@5554283: Do you not see how much simpler a musket is compared to an automatic weapon today? Do you know how complex an A-10 is compared to just dragging bombs to the target by horseback?
Yes, machines can break. So can people, and the machines don't break because they are tired, or not paying attention. Would you be against using automobiles because they could break down, and you wouldn't have enough manpower to carry the vehicle-mounted weapons?
Why do you keep bringing up others weapons? Were talking about these to seperate artillery pieces. Im talking about the complexity of the Crusader and you keep blabbing on about other weapons of war. Its to complex genius! Im not saying advancements arent a good thing at all, but seeing that the orders for the Crusader were cancelled by the military due to the complexity speaks for itself. Crews work, especially for fire support. So do you have something to add?
@5554283: I am bringing up other weapons and tools to show your hypocrisy. Simple, inferior weapons are not preferable simply because there is less that can go wrong with them.
Also, the Crusader was cancelled because each unit cost $25 million, and the M109 Paladin could fill it's role acceptably. Not because of reliability or some hatred of complexity.
BULL! your bringing up other weapons because you cant back up the design of the Crusader, it only gets 1 crew member less, so what happens if the driver is killed? 4 man crew has the ability for mulitple training on each operation station, in which the do on the paladin, M1A2 Abrams, and almost every military role. So if its cost i wonder why? COMPLEXITY! it costs more because theres more shit involved. So how is it inferior? If it can still do the role like you said?
@5554283: The same thing if one person from the 4-man crew dies. One less *required* person is one less required, even with redundancy.
M-16's cost a lot more than a bow and arrow too! They are certainly more complex, but they are also more capable.
If you can get by with a bow and arrow, it makes sense not to buy the M-16. But are you seriously going to argue that the M-16 isn't superior to the bow?
Also reminds me of the old saying "If its not broke, dont fix it"... They upgraded the armor, and the paladin was just as accurate as the crusader... sometimes advancements can lead to downfalls... take the Calico submachine gun, or the P90... Great designs, just to advanced... Your basic soldier needs to be trained on these weapons. And some are not the brightest crayon in the box if you know what I mean. The JSF is great, but i still like the A-10...
Not with the crusader, you lose the driver than the gunner or tank commander has to take over... And have you ever taken the ASVAB before? I leave for basic in April and they flatout told me that because of my scores that NO infantry, artillery, or tank positions for me. Im signed up to become a Avionics tech electrical systems MOS 6337. Smart keeps it going, not so smart uses it in the field... and for the bow... hell worked pretty good for Rambo... HAHAHA
Military always needs better equipment but when you make it to complex in certain areas it becomes problem matic. Like i was saying it didnt get picked up because of cost, and complexity. What works stays a lot of the time. Unless the upgrade is outstanding there is no point. The paladin is just as accurate as the crusader. The F-15 was unbeaten in its entire service history, but was replaced because the F-22 is stealth capable, has super cruise, thrust vectoring. Thats an upgrade!
@5554283: Quote:"I leave for basic in April and they flatout told me that because of my scores that NO infantry, artillery, or tank positions for me."
@Phage0070 Let me put this into the arguement. An example war of non technologiclly advanced armory vs a very advanced armory is the Vietnam war. The North Vietnamese used simple traps and blow darts for a long while. They used stealth and secrecy to outsmart their enemies. Sorry for awakening this conversation but I kinda had to pop in it. So anyways, I am American so I am not really supporting our enemies(Or previous enemies.???)
Yes, and in the Middle East there are various insurgents using explosives and relatively poor quality weaponry to inflict damage on a vastly superior force. They also tend to experience vastly larger casualties.
Advanced weapons and superior firepower result in increased combat ability and fewer losses; they are a "force multiplier".
watch?v=ESCgtg0YCW8 Swiss modified M109. Should settle any discussion about the costly Crusader "train wreck". This 109 "pisses" 8 rounds in a 75 seconds salvo. Your money is better spent on F35 or health care.
@ronster794: No. While self-propelled artillery may have a tank-like appearance, they are not tanks. Armor is there to provide protection against small arms and shell fragments. If they ARE carrying any direct fire anti-armor rounds (as opposed to something like SADRAM or DPICM), they're solely there for last-ditch defense.
Hmm Paladin wins, Cruzader is too complex and complex machines give complex problems, complex programming gives complex bugs. Besides I'd like to see how hot was that Crusader tube, do they use coolant or something? Because 15shots wit that RoF on same tube is very risky. Or they cool the shells down before shooting lol?
I would take a paladin crew to provide me with artillery support over an autoloading machine any day. Too many moving parts that can go bad in the crusader. Just my opinion though.
@jeepman65 But if you were way out umbered like say 50 paladins to say 100 other howitzers wouldnt you want to have a quick firing cannon like the crusader?
that is bunch of gabage you can fire rounds alot faster then that out of a paladan. but if you fire to much to fast the tube will heat up to much and run the risk of your powder and/or round going off in the paladin. if you fire that many rounds in such a short period it can and will blow up
Looks at the different procedures. The Paladin guys swabbed the tube of fouling (Crusader did not), verified the rounds (Crusader did not), verified powder (Crusader did not).
Paladin can be reloaded by hand and verified for safety. Crusader if it jams one part requires a mechanic to unfuck it. Auto loader capacity is very limted and cannot be reloaded without shutting down the gun. Not something you want when lives depend on it or for a large fire mission.
@brainplay actually the crusader may have been able to swab w/o you being able to see the process. crusader likely automated the verifying of rounds and powder.
And if we count the crew of flak 88 in ww2 (just for example), they could fire 20-25 shots per minute, and it takes 40s them to shoot 1? thats about 15 rounds of a flak crew. =DD
Yeah, But they are also allowing time because of the Cook-off on the Paladin, The rate of fire we did in the military was probably not recommended by Paladin manufacturers. However to my knowledge, the Crusader has little to no chance of the powder being cooked-off/ smoker in the breach.
in the game commmand and conquer generals the paladin was a better tank and more expensive and fire at the same rate and the crusader wasnt an artillery like tank thing (THAT GAME WAS SO WRONG FROM THIS VID)
That's not why they stopped producing the F-22. It was because of money. It would take all the luck in the world to shoot it down with a 50 cal anyway
Americans give name Crusader to this weapon and then wonder why muslim Kuvait choose Russian howitzer instead. Helloooo!!! That is like somebody want to sell something to USA and call that product Al´Quaida then wonder why american not buy that.
Money can be better spent but it is still one of the best guns ever designed. Costly to buy but cheap to keep. The main killer was it was after its own time, since it was primarily designed for a "stay in theater" use IE: Europe/West Germany. It could sit in the Fulda Gap and almost hit Leipzig, DEFINITELY hit Chemnitz (Karl Marx Stadt.) Even though it's self propelled it's too big and heavy for rapid deployment.
the germans were way ahead of us in the field artillery department. we use to ck each others guns out in the 80's, in babehausen, and it was so simple to operate, and they had a 3 man crew. we were still riding around like swat
Too expensive. It's not just about buying weapon systems that the govt. has to think about. There's maintenance costs and spare parts costs for existing stuff in the arsenal, along with POL, ammo, food, infrastructure/assets upkeep, pay and benefits, training, R & D, etc etc. And when you have a large military you find that you cant have a cake and eat it too. There's alot to consider when running a modern military. The military is given a set budget and they have to work within that budget.
Doesn't the German army have something similar to the Crusader? It's not entirely self loaded like the Crusader is, but it does fire a lot faster than the Paladin would. I remember it being featured on an episode of "Futureweapons"
Yes the Crusader is more expensive, one of the reasons is because it uses a loader vehicle which carries spare ammo. This loader vehicle mounts to the Crusader and feeds the Crusader ammo without exposing troops.
excuse me is that true that the crusader could insert automatically both the shell and the charge modules? it's very interesting....I'm thinking about the pzh2000 and I must say that this one could have been superior because of this advantage: pzh2000 systems need a man to insert manually the charge modules! the shell-charging system seems to be the same...anyway really a GREAT ARTY SYSTEM!
I was a 13b in the army that is a cannon crewmember which fires the paladin and it and fire faster then the video showed, the crusader my be fast but the paladin is not that slow so who ever timed/filmed this is smoking crack it dont take that long to fire a paladin and i dont think the crusader can fire that many round in that short of time without having a cook off meaning the gun would blow up this video is total BS!!!!!!
The newest Russian tank(s) have automated reload systems, and guess what?? They are absolute shit! A manned-loading crew can acheive higher rates of fire than the automated systems can, thats why they are better on self-propelled howitzers. But of course the US has had this automated reload system long before the Russians or Chinese did. So to tell you the truth, it does not impress me on your case either :)
Hey, Battlecorps: no offense, but that "USA # 1" speech is simply ridiculous. USA can do great products as well as big mistakes as any other country with military industry. You can screw things as bad as anyone else: check your economy. So far, your biggest advantage was tons of money, but now that´s gone, so try to be a little bit humble, please.
Hey asshole, I don't know what the fuck your smoking, but I don't see a USA#1 speech. I just said that the US has had automated reloading systems before the Russians and Chinese did, what's wrong with that?! And for your info, i'm not American, and don't want to be k?? Congratulations, you just made yourself look like an idiot.
Ok, so you... "caught me"?.... I just expressed an idea in an educated way, but it´s obvious that you can´t do the same. I made 2 mistakes: I thought you were american, and I assume you were a polite person. How wrong I was!
If I have to explain why I said what I said, then you have reading-comprehension issues.
Crusader was too big for transport. That's why Rumsfeld canceled it. If you can't move your artillery effectively, you don't have effective firepower, which reduces reliability of fire support to troops that need it "RIGHT NOW!" Crusader had the biggest 155mm gun at 56 calibers long. Impressive capabilities it had, but weight was the problem, and weight has been a problem for canon artillery for hundreds of years.
I must say, that Paladin crew looks like traniees or hangover victims. Should get out 4-6 rounds a minute. Should be able to have three "on the way" simultanious impact. Heard that the Crusader would be able to have five "on the way". Would've been a bad Mo' Fo'
To be a hundered percent honest, I dont really know whats going on here but i can clearly tell that Team Crusader's camera is sped up at most points. And does it really matter who shoots the fastiest. I would rather have an Artillary system that targets, locks and destoryes its target in one hit within a minute than shoot like a minigun. (i konw its not a minigun)
this video sux, how ar they goin to show the crusaider shooting difrent powders off n that quick? makes no sence. that gun crew sux too. i get 6 rounds out in 1:05! same HE and same white bags too. put a crusaider up against me n lets see wuts really up! finger pop that shit too! no pulling string when youve shot over 1,000 rounds!
How's your wrist? Finger popping leads to misfires and broken arms. Or flat out squashed recruits.
BTW Crusader used a automated shell, powder cache and ram. hard for a human to move 98 pound projectiles that fast in cramped conditions and then have to hand ram them.
yo! im ok, never been bit. the most round ive fired was 55 in one day. ive never been so fatigue in my life! and it was in the midle of summer in iraq. lol, you just have to be good and very cordinated. ive only got one miss fire in my carer and it was with a lanyard. it does hurt, but you just have to man the fuck up on it. my section was bustin ass all day long! ive got about 1000 under my belt, and about 750 were hand rammed, its easier and alot faster.
well its unfortunate because the Germans have the PzH 2000 which does almost the exact same thing (can fire 10-13 rounds per minute continuously) and it only costs 4.5 million dollars. Compare that to the XM2001 crusader which costs over 20 million dollars per unit. we should probably buy a whole bunch of those off the germans instead of trying to make our own (and given the fact that we will probably never have hostilities with Deutschland in the next 100 years, it won't be a problem)
But the Crusader price wouldn't rise with failing markets over here and the price of the Euro vs. the dollar. And I don't think the gov't outsources to other countries when it comes to military hardware.
What a lie! Our M198 towed 155 battery could get off 12 a minute per gun! That isn't the max sustained by the Army regs, but we could do it. We aren't as fancy with computers & GPS, but we can match it. That was a M109 (not even A1) and was doing everything by the book in school. The 777s are good guns, but a well trained crew can match it. We don't jam, and we don't have mechanical malfunctions.
Man that crusader looks complex, a little too complex for the battlefield if you ask me. Give it a few weeks away from a maintence shed what good would it be?
Of course making the weapon fully automated will allow it to fire faster but there are more to consider then just how fast you can fire. Weight, cost of production, cost of maintenance.
That and what if the auto loading mechanism fails on the crusader? Can it still function manually or is it useless? Its best to keep things simple so they wont fail as often.
the paladin crew is way too slow as a crew i think they found the slowest crew in the army. i mean really u can fire 3 rounds in 30 seconds. and why on earth was the number 1 reattching the firing mech after each round??? its not supposed to come off! yes the crusader is nice but its getting a little extreme when robots outta the fight. what happened to the human element of war???
He's not re-attaching the firing mech, he's putting the primer into the slot and pulling the firing mech in place. The way this crew fired was SOP for a Paladin crew doing Paladin operations. Also, they may have been doing a long fire mission so the 1 man might have been trying to pace himself. Not to mention that if you fire real fast like that and blow your wad then you're going to overheat the barrel and that's never a good thing 4 rounds a minute for 2 minutes and 1 round a minute thereafter
crusader is better
coolglock19 2 weeks ago
a single Crusader can put out the same hurt it takes five Paladins to do
but thats stupid because its loaded by a machine apparently
ForTehNguyen 1 month ago
wow some of the comments in this video are pretty stupid. A human crew can get tired over hours of battle, a machine doesnt. When the caliber of the artillery get bigger and heavier, the machine beats a human hand down. Removing a human from a crew reduces the vehicle size and vehicle weight.
Do you idiots that dont like autoloaders still use bolt action rifles over semiautomatics that *shock* autoload your next round? Too many parts that can break huh?
ForTehNguyen 1 month ago
@ForTehNguyen yeah your right even the human loader if he is loading the round and it shoot his hand will cut off and he will die
MetalGearArmA 1 month ago
I remember shooting that video... I was the #1 man, humping them HE rounds was no joke.
Driver: SPC Bratten, Jefffrey
#1 Man: (me) SPC Gonzales, Adan
Gunner: CPL Hooper, Bret
Chief: SSG Gilbert, Ronald
Those were the days....
BOOM ARTILLERY
drumadan75 4 months ago
I don't think they could have picked a more offensive name for a weapons system that's going to be used in the middle east.
mynameissooriginal2 5 months ago
please who posted this video do research, the M109A6 PIM is an automatic loading weapon. however like everyone is saying theres too much that can go wrong if something isnt cleaned properly.
13B US Army
kill3rturtl3 7 months ago in playlist Artillery
Crusader is a good concept, only under favorable conditions. Paladin will work, the newer updates are just as reliable.
deltafreelancer 7 months ago
human loading > autoloading, normal artillery > self-propelled, fast, reliable, accurate and up of all extremely cost effective... i dont understand the claims of humans getting tired loading, you are constantly changing positions, there is not really any scenario where you would shoot over 20-30 rounds from one position
konttka 8 months ago
@konttka then you've obviously never been on a gunline. the standard 155mm HE round weighs 97 pounds. even on a 10 round mission you've just moved 970 pounds. double that for a 20rd mission and triple for 30. theres usually only one person running the rounds. maybe two if the section is lucky. and yes there are plenty of scenarios where they shoot as many as 60 and 70 rounds missions. thats just coming from my husband who is a 13b in the army right now though.
ahoneycutt0710 7 months ago
@ahoneycutt0710 yea i guess it differs from country to country how many crew members there are, you are definately right alone the thing would be pain.. i might be wrong but up here i think we got 2-3 guys running the ammo alone or one is preparing etc... still in real full scale warfare i doubt there would be any scenario involving 60-70 rounds, but that depends on the country's strategies and tactics again, no need to argue about that. I still see the modern auto-loaders a bit silly..
konttka 7 months ago
I served on a Paladin for 4 years, and this is just damn ridiculous. It took almost 9 minutes on a 15 round mission. That's....Pathetic ! ! ! We were busting out 10 rounds in less than 2 minutes in our sleep. Of course we didn't swab between each and every round, and I didn't use a lanyard to fire (always finger pop). But even still.....9 minutes to do 15? Get it together Redlegs.
Foresaker937 8 months ago
@Foresaker937 We had to go by the book.... Swab the chamber after every round... Swab the breech after every round. Verify all the powders. As far as finger popping, been there done that. Did it all the time for the Moway House demos we always did. We had MG Rigby (former FT. SILL Commander) right outside the back door making sure we did everything by the book....
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Olexandr1603 9 months ago
SKYNET VS RESISTENCIA
GERMANNLR 1 year ago
Holy sh*t 7 tims as fast!!!
CyclonicTuna023 1 year ago
Although the Crusader definitely was revolutionary (much better than the PzH 2000 for example), it's way too expensive coming at a price of $25M.
TheNighthawk00 1 year ago
XM20001 > M109.
Autoloaders > Human beings. Load bigger shells, faster, and with the same speed. Autoloaders don't get tired, they don't get hurt, they have a very low chance of mechanical failure if they are well designed (just look at the Leclerc or the Pzh 2000). There is no reason you should use a human loader over an autoloader except for ridiculous reasons like "humans > machines" or some baseless belief that autoloaders will somehow fail all the time at the worst possible moment.
SecuR0M 1 year ago 2
@SecuR0M There is actually a fantastic reason for going with a paladin over a crusader system. How many human loading systems can you get for the price of a auto loading artillery system? It is economically foolish to buy something that is that much more expensive when the one you have does the job just fine. Yes, auto loaders will be the future, but at this point in time it is just not feasible to pursue it. Plus anything the Paladin can't take care of the MLRS can.
AStealA8 9 months ago
why put all the money into the crusader, when a very simular system is allready on the market.. THE PHZ 2000.
wekker090 1 year ago
@wekker090 The Crusader project was scrapped by then General Eric Shenseki, because he felt the Crusader wasn't "light" enough. He came from a light infantry background, and if he'd had it completely his way then, everything would've been light enough to drop out the back of a C-Class plane. Fortunately, I got to be on the test team for the MACS 'build-a-charge' system (the propellant), and I believe IT is used today in the Paladins.
Foresaker937 8 months ago
The Paladin crew was suppose to be one the best and they were required to follow all safety steps in firing their weapon.
I use to work on the Crusader program. Crusader could fire 10 rounds in 1 min, have all 10 rounds hit the target at the same time, and move within the next minute. The Paladin can not do that.
The Paladin crew is exposed to direct & indirect enemy fire. Crusader's crew would not have been exposed.
Crusader was canceled because it didn't meet Rumy's vision of the future.
txbluesguy 1 year ago
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RadioNuiPek 1 year ago
@RadioNuiPek Hey, I used to do that job in the paladin and my crew was way faster.We could put rounds down range at the rate of six a minute, provided that the deflection didn't change. I do like the crusader but there is know replacing the human element with machines. Damn I miss my old job just not the sorry pay.
Mr62ford 1 year ago
@Mr62ford true... there is nothing like human power in the army and any where the more special thing about this job is the binding between the soldiers that make them fell more powerful
RadioNuiPek 1 year ago
@Mr62ford correction... vote for paladin, sorry heheh i just mistaken the names
RadioNuiPek 1 year ago
@Mr62ford because we have m109 here in israel, and i am also a part of the second battalion 298 artilery division, we still trying to break a record heheh
RadioNuiPek 1 year ago
I am with Crusader
AVATAR15Park 1 year ago
The Crusader doesn't have to swab it's barrel after every shot, which takes longer than loading a round and charges and firing them. If the paladin crew didn't swab the barrel, it'd be behind by only a round or two, three at the most.
The Crusader is definitely better, but not by enough to make it worth it's price. As i recall the military actually looked at PZH-2000's over the Crusader before deciding to stick with the Paladin.
peepeevagi 1 year ago
I can't believe that this crew was this slow, I've read that a good crew can do 20 shots a min.
I'd like to know about the logistics here. Where is the ammo train and crew quarters? How much fuel and how many spare rounds does it carry? Since they need a generator to power it, what kind of heat signature does it create?
Bullettube 1 year ago
did they pick the slowest crew to do this video? i coulda kept up with that crusader
josemj13b 1 year ago
there is no needance for hurricane fire of 15 rounds at one target when one good projectile can eliminate target. There is not one howitzer attacking city or panzer column. There is a divisional module of howitzers. Still Paladin kickin arse
Dollar1998 1 year ago
wow I first heard of this system in 1998 at a military airshow why isn't this out yet lol
warriorofsteel01 1 year ago
As said before. Depends on what kind of fire mission it is. Now I'm no person saying which has better accuracy/range but in a fire mission situation you would have about 3 or more of any gun to keep consistant fire.
babylonsknight 1 year ago
I guess rate of fire is not as important as accuarcy and projectile types in modern warfare.
plainlake 2 years ago
I rather have my artillery support done by a trained crew and not a computer... the hands on approach is less likely to foul up... just dont like the idea of a computer crashing and leave me hanging when i need direct fire support... if you could manually load and fire that would be different, still an impressive weapon none the less...
5554283 2 years ago
@5554283: I suppose you prefer muskets to automatic rifles, because automatics can jam and leave you hanging.
Also, I guess 5 times the fire rate and fewer crew in harms way means nothing to you.
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Not when it comes down to individual arms. But like I said in my comment not when it comes down to fire support. I want a man on system, not a computer...
5554283 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Just watch the video again, and again... Do you see how complex this is? Do you see how many things could get out of whack and not be able to feed the gun? If you were needing fire support to suppress the enemy who has you pinned down would you trust your life with it? I trust the man on the ground putting rounds on target with his highly trained crew, before I trust this complex machine, ran by a computer. To much can go wrong... and when it does... your dead...
5554283 2 years ago
@5554283: Do you not see how much simpler a musket is compared to an automatic weapon today? Do you know how complex an A-10 is compared to just dragging bombs to the target by horseback?
Yes, machines can break. So can people, and the machines don't break because they are tired, or not paying attention. Would you be against using automobiles because they could break down, and you wouldn't have enough manpower to carry the vehicle-mounted weapons?
Advanced tools are a good thing.
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Why do you keep bringing up others weapons? Were talking about these to seperate artillery pieces. Im talking about the complexity of the Crusader and you keep blabbing on about other weapons of war. Its to complex genius! Im not saying advancements arent a good thing at all, but seeing that the orders for the Crusader were cancelled by the military due to the complexity speaks for itself. Crews work, especially for fire support. So do you have something to add?
5554283 2 years ago
@5554283: I am bringing up other weapons and tools to show your hypocrisy. Simple, inferior weapons are not preferable simply because there is less that can go wrong with them.
Also, the Crusader was cancelled because each unit cost $25 million, and the M109 Paladin could fill it's role acceptably. Not because of reliability or some hatred of complexity.
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070
BULL! your bringing up other weapons because you cant back up the design of the Crusader, it only gets 1 crew member less, so what happens if the driver is killed? 4 man crew has the ability for mulitple training on each operation station, in which the do on the paladin, M1A2 Abrams, and almost every military role. So if its cost i wonder why? COMPLEXITY! it costs more because theres more shit involved. So how is it inferior? If it can still do the role like you said?
5554283 2 years ago
@5554283: The same thing if one person from the 4-man crew dies. One less *required* person is one less required, even with redundancy.
M-16's cost a lot more than a bow and arrow too! They are certainly more complex, but they are also more capable.
If you can get by with a bow and arrow, it makes sense not to buy the M-16. But are you seriously going to argue that the M-16 isn't superior to the bow?
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Also reminds me of the old saying "If its not broke, dont fix it"... They upgraded the armor, and the paladin was just as accurate as the crusader... sometimes advancements can lead to downfalls... take the Calico submachine gun, or the P90... Great designs, just to advanced... Your basic soldier needs to be trained on these weapons. And some are not the brightest crayon in the box if you know what I mean. The JSF is great, but i still like the A-10...
5554283 2 years ago
@5554283: So your argument is that the military does not need better equipment because their members are too stupid to use it.
Well... I rest my case.
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Not with the crusader, you lose the driver than the gunner or tank commander has to take over... And have you ever taken the ASVAB before? I leave for basic in April and they flatout told me that because of my scores that NO infantry, artillery, or tank positions for me. Im signed up to become a Avionics tech electrical systems MOS 6337. Smart keeps it going, not so smart uses it in the field... and for the bow... hell worked pretty good for Rambo... HAHAHA
5554283 2 years ago
@Phage0070
Military always needs better equipment but when you make it to complex in certain areas it becomes problem matic. Like i was saying it didnt get picked up because of cost, and complexity. What works stays a lot of the time. Unless the upgrade is outstanding there is no point. The paladin is just as accurate as the crusader. The F-15 was unbeaten in its entire service history, but was replaced because the F-22 is stealth capable, has super cruise, thrust vectoring. Thats an upgrade!
5554283 2 years ago
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@5554283: Quote:"I leave for basic in April and they flatout told me that because of my scores that NO infantry, artillery, or tank positions for me."
Again, I rest my case.
Phage0070 2 years ago
@Phage0070 Let me put this into the arguement. An example war of non technologiclly advanced armory vs a very advanced armory is the Vietnam war. The North Vietnamese used simple traps and blow darts for a long while. They used stealth and secrecy to outsmart their enemies. Sorry for awakening this conversation but I kinda had to pop in it. So anyways, I am American so I am not really supporting our enemies(Or previous enemies.???)
itsmeganbaby17 1 year ago
@itsmeganbaby17
Yes, and in the Middle East there are various insurgents using explosives and relatively poor quality weaponry to inflict damage on a vastly superior force. They also tend to experience vastly larger casualties.
Advanced weapons and superior firepower result in increased combat ability and fewer losses; they are a "force multiplier".
Phage0070 1 year ago
watch?v=ESCgtg0YCW8 Swiss modified M109. Should settle any discussion about the costly Crusader "train wreck". This 109 "pisses" 8 rounds in a 75 seconds salvo. Your money is better spent on F35 or health care.
raphi73 2 years ago
can they both function like a tank? or not?
ronster794 2 years ago
@ronster794: No. While self-propelled artillery may have a tank-like appearance, they are not tanks. Armor is there to provide protection against small arms and shell fragments. If they ARE carrying any direct fire anti-armor rounds (as opposed to something like SADRAM or DPICM), they're solely there for last-ditch defense.
MorganKeyes 2 years ago
Hmm Paladin wins, Cruzader is too complex and complex machines give complex problems, complex programming gives complex bugs. Besides I'd like to see how hot was that Crusader tube, do they use coolant or something? Because 15shots wit that RoF on same tube is very risky. Or they cool the shells down before shooting lol?
NollieFlipX 2 years ago
@NollieFlipX they have a liquid cooled system!
ken0is0gay0fan0club 2 years ago
imagen a whole battery of those crusaders... I'll feel sorry for the guys on the other side of them guns... it must be hell
Majorcl0wn 2 years ago
I would take a paladin crew to provide me with artillery support over an autoloading machine any day. Too many moving parts that can go bad in the crusader. Just my opinion though.
jeepman65 2 years ago 13
NO. No. ! The Crusader was sent to earth from GOD! It was the LAW of Artillery!
155Millimeter 2 years ago
pzh 2000 is anyways better, makes every 5 seconds one round^^ same with donar
95predator 2 years ago 2
@jeepman65 But if you were way out umbered like say 50 paladins to say 100 other howitzers wouldnt you want to have a quick firing cannon like the crusader?
AmericanRifleMan1997 11 months ago
that is bunch of gabage you can fire rounds alot faster then that out of a paladan. but if you fire to much to fast the tube will heat up to much and run the risk of your powder and/or round going off in the paladin. if you fire that many rounds in such a short period it can and will blow up
bleedingums 2 years ago 2
THEY DISCONTINUED THE CRUSADER? WHY! that shit got stuff done in seconds
DaedricLavaWhiskey 2 years ago
Looks at the different procedures. The Paladin guys swabbed the tube of fouling (Crusader did not), verified the rounds (Crusader did not), verified powder (Crusader did not).
Paladin can be reloaded by hand and verified for safety. Crusader if it jams one part requires a mechanic to unfuck it. Auto loader capacity is very limted and cannot be reloaded without shutting down the gun. Not something you want when lives depend on it or for a large fire mission.
brainplay 2 years ago 4
The Crusader verifies everything a human verifies because of a complex computer programing but it still has kinks
Rangebro99 2 years ago
@brainplay actually the crusader may have been able to swab w/o you being able to see the process. crusader likely automated the verifying of rounds and powder.
Denchanter357 2 months ago
And if we count the crew of flak 88 in ww2 (just for example), they could fire 20-25 shots per minute, and it takes 40s them to shoot 1? thats about 15 rounds of a flak crew. =DD
BaFUD 2 years ago
Flak 88 isn't a self propelled howitzer. Nor it is firing an Ammo thats near the size of the 155. Nor is it as accurate, etc.
Beliserius1 2 years ago 2
It takes 40s to reload that gun, lmao. slowslowslow.
BaFUD 2 years ago
Yeah, But they are also allowing time because of the Cook-off on the Paladin, The rate of fire we did in the military was probably not recommended by Paladin manufacturers. However to my knowledge, the Crusader has little to no chance of the powder being cooked-off/ smoker in the breach.
155Millimeter 2 years ago
Very slow crew.
BaFUD 2 years ago
in the game commmand and conquer generals the paladin was a better tank and more expensive and fire at the same rate and the crusader wasnt an artillery like tank thing (THAT GAME WAS SO WRONG FROM THIS VID)
britishsas123 2 years ago
why u dont show all time recharges the crusader ????
trickpa80 2 years ago
That was a slow ass Paladin crew!!!
jbree005 2 years ago
Yeah, and Bandkanon 1:
15 rounds in 45 seconds. Phased out in 2003 because it had become obsolete.
Apekatt3000 2 years ago
Paladin: pretty much free.
Crusader: $25 million each. FAIL.
Apekatt3000 2 years ago
Fano makes a good point, does anyone know who was suppose to manufacture the crusader?
Tex259 2 years ago
he was calling to he's gf
luizhxcx 2 years ago
lol even the JSDF's type 99 self propelled howitzer can fire 18 rounds a minute.
SeventhSky3 2 years ago
holy dear god the Crusader fires 500x faster then the Paladin roflmao
CMDRFandragon 2 years ago
so you have to get donar muhahahaha
95predator 2 years ago
The archer is better ^^
lundholm4 2 years ago
15 rounds in 8:58 that slow 15 rounds in 1:21 wow thats fast
pugswithguns1 2 years ago
AS90 3 rounds in 9 seconds nuff said.
LittleTerror848 2 years ago
Swedish B-Kan from 1969 did fire 20 rounde in 1 min. AS 90 is nothing compared with Archer OKAY!
SgtDrDeath 2 years ago
Considering the fact that, like the Heli shown at the beginning of the video, the crusader will NEVER go into production, it's null and void.
Besides, the paladin's awesome.
peepeevagi 2 years ago
That's not why they stopped producing the F-22. It was because of money. It would take all the luck in the world to shoot it down with a 50 cal anyway
windowmaker525 2 years ago
Curse you Rumsfield ,cancelled Crusader and came up with a limpy-ass 20tons-capped NLOS-C instead
abxxxh 2 years ago
Americans give name Crusader to this weapon and then wonder why muslim Kuvait choose Russian howitzer instead. Helloooo!!! That is like somebody want to sell something to USA and call that product Al´Quaida then wonder why american not buy that.
Vladek385 2 years ago
I forget: That is like selling some product with name Hitler to Israel. Name is important for new product and it must be impressive and neutral.
Vladek385 2 years ago
LOL good points, but Crusader never went into service. Too expensive and not enough money in the coffers of the US government.
fanofrhymeswithstar 2 years ago
Money can be better spent but it is still one of the best guns ever designed. Costly to buy but cheap to keep. The main killer was it was after its own time, since it was primarily designed for a "stay in theater" use IE: Europe/West Germany. It could sit in the Fulda Gap and almost hit Leipzig, DEFINITELY hit Chemnitz (Karl Marx Stadt.) Even though it's self propelled it's too big and heavy for rapid deployment.
DrMotorDude 2 years ago
the germans were way ahead of us in the field artillery department. we use to ck each others guns out in the 80's, in babehausen, and it was so simple to operate, and they had a 3 man crew. we were still riding around like swat
mr20yr 2 years ago
y are all the good weapons canceled?
RAMPAGION 2 years ago
just like the F22 which is to be cancelled in the near future. :O
Spas117 2 years ago
there less than 200 in service in april US Department of Defense proposed to cease placing new orders so who knows whats going to happen
zman6033 2 years ago
they were going to stop it at 187 i believe (very random number)
but that is more so due to a cost factor as the jets are rather expensive especially by comparison to the proposed cost of the new F35 Lightning II
Spas117 2 years ago
ya but i dont think thay would cancel it its just going to be on hold same should be done on a lot of things until we thay get there shit together
zman6033 2 years ago
I think thats the definition of a "good weapon", one that is not produced :-)
Peace is way more awesame than war.
datott 2 years ago 2
yeah but to have peace you must be prepared for war. SO speak softly but carry a big fing stick.
juggernautsfury 2 years ago
Too expensive. It's not just about buying weapon systems that the govt. has to think about. There's maintenance costs and spare parts costs for existing stuff in the arsenal, along with POL, ammo, food, infrastructure/assets upkeep, pay and benefits, training, R & D, etc etc. And when you have a large military you find that you cant have a cake and eat it too. There's alot to consider when running a modern military. The military is given a set budget and they have to work within that budget.
fanofrhymeswithstar 2 years ago 9
Doesn't the German army have something similar to the Crusader? It's not entirely self loaded like the Crusader is, but it does fire a lot faster than the Paladin would. I remember it being featured on an episode of "Futureweapons"
jdhthegr8 2 years ago
I'm not a specialist in this sort of military stuff...but wouldn't the Crusader be much more expensive than the Paladin?
30thMarch 2 years ago
Yes the Crusader is more expensive, one of the reasons is because it uses a loader vehicle which carries spare ammo. This loader vehicle mounts to the Crusader and feeds the Crusader ammo without exposing troops.
orlock20 2 years ago
And it's fully automated when firing? That sure is impressive
30thMarch 2 years ago
i love this musik! does anyone know the name?
predator32767 2 years ago
excuse me is that true that the crusader could insert automatically both the shell and the charge modules? it's very interesting....I'm thinking about the pzh2000 and I must say that this one could have been superior because of this advantage: pzh2000 systems need a man to insert manually the charge modules! the shell-charging system seems to be the same...anyway really a GREAT ARTY SYSTEM!
DjFabius85 2 years ago
I was a 13b in the army that is a cannon crewmember which fires the paladin and it and fire faster then the video showed, the crusader my be fast but the paladin is not that slow so who ever timed/filmed this is smoking crack it dont take that long to fire a paladin and i dont think the crusader can fire that many round in that short of time without having a cook off meaning the gun would blow up this video is total BS!!!!!!
eca13b 2 years ago
Do you hear the shot from the inside, or you have hearing protection / noice isolation?.
locolopelocolope 2 years ago
its not very loud inside but if you are outside you should be wearing ear protection
eca13b 2 years ago
Thanks !
locolopelocolope 2 years ago
and shuld be holding on to something to..also be atleast 30 ft away
makoshark40 2 years ago
Crusader used a liquid cooled breech block and gun tube.
It really WAS that fast.
Agreed that the M109 crew was taking their time, though.
MrYenko 2 years ago
Some NATO countries use the German Pzh2000 Pantzerhouwitzer. Really cool thing too
draadstaal33 2 years ago
i am in fa with 3rd id. that is a #1 man going slow as fuck. the crusader was nice (i saw one at sill) but it was just too big.
jdymes101101 2 years ago
f you all
Conservativepacheat 3 years ago
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locolopelocolope 3 years ago
40 seconds to fire one round from M109?
Migs4000 3 years ago
The newer Russian and Chinese have automated reload system. Does not impress me.
Type59 3 years ago
The newest Russian tank(s) have automated reload systems, and guess what?? They are absolute shit! A manned-loading crew can acheive higher rates of fire than the automated systems can, thats why they are better on self-propelled howitzers. But of course the US has had this automated reload system long before the Russians or Chinese did. So to tell you the truth, it does not impress me on your case either :)
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
Hey, Battlecorps: no offense, but that "USA # 1" speech is simply ridiculous. USA can do great products as well as big mistakes as any other country with military industry. You can screw things as bad as anyone else: check your economy. So far, your biggest advantage was tons of money, but now that´s gone, so try to be a little bit humble, please.
Bye.-
locolopelocolope 3 years ago
Hey asshole, I don't know what the fuck your smoking, but I don't see a USA#1 speech. I just said that the US has had automated reloading systems before the Russians and Chinese did, what's wrong with that?! And for your info, i'm not American, and don't want to be k?? Congratulations, you just made yourself look like an idiot.
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
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locolopelocolope 3 years ago
Ok, so you... "caught me"?.... I just expressed an idea in an educated way, but it´s obvious that you can´t do the same. I made 2 mistakes: I thought you were american, and I assume you were a polite person. How wrong I was!
If I have to explain why I said what I said, then you have reading-comprehension issues.
Congrats, do you feel better now?
Grow up, it doesn´t hurt :)
locolopelocolope 3 years ago 3
shut up queenie, before i send some iranians in a rowboat to capture your entire navy and parade them thru tehran. d/a europoofter.
kenfo0 2 years ago
What the hell ????
whatever you´re drinking, quit it !
locolopelocolope 2 years ago
blah blah blah...silence peasant.
kenfo0 2 years ago
!!!!!!!
Dude, yo´re really drunk or high; or have an internet issue, ´cause you´re telling that to me without a reason. Check your browser!
locolopelocolope 2 years ago
since google took over yt, comments often show out of order.
kenfo0 2 years ago
The problem is that comments aren't shown threaded. In general YT's comments system could do well with a major overhaul.
AGrandt 2 years ago
the paladin cant be that slow, can he?
theGoldenAgeOfBoredo 3 years ago
Thats bullshit if my section could put rounds down range so fast that range control had to have us stop so they could keep track
imnotinsane89 3 years ago
Crusader was too big for transport. That's why Rumsfeld canceled it. If you can't move your artillery effectively, you don't have effective firepower, which reduces reliability of fire support to troops that need it "RIGHT NOW!" Crusader had the biggest 155mm gun at 56 calibers long. Impressive capabilities it had, but weight was the problem, and weight has been a problem for canon artillery for hundreds of years.
PontiffMystic 3 years ago
we don't fight a wwII style war anymore its gureilla warfar and house to house fighting and such
dudemcdudeson360 3 years ago
so they still use artillery in modern warfare?
dudemcdudeson360 3 years ago
cause they do why would they not, no point risking your own troops when you can bombard the enemy from a far
Uselesschris 3 years ago 3
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WTF?? U ARE A BIG FUCKING NOOOOOOB!!!!
Fokogrilo 3 years ago
Artillery will be used forever mate lol
JAPR360 3 years ago 5
Modern artilley uses guided projectiles that have a range of 50-100 km. It is much cheaper and faster to deliver support this way.
B777LR 3 years ago 2
I must say, that Paladin crew looks like traniees or hangover victims. Should get out 4-6 rounds a minute. Should be able to have three "on the way" simultanious impact. Heard that the Crusader would be able to have five "on the way". Would've been a bad Mo' Fo'
axeman0069 3 years ago
To be a hundered percent honest, I dont really know whats going on here but i can clearly tell that Team Crusader's camera is sped up at most points. And does it really matter who shoots the fastiest. I would rather have an Artillary system that targets, locks and destoryes its target in one hit within a minute than shoot like a minigun. (i konw its not a minigun)
Nanovirus5995 3 years ago
this video sux, how ar they goin to show the crusaider shooting difrent powders off n that quick? makes no sence. that gun crew sux too. i get 6 rounds out in 1:05! same HE and same white bags too. put a crusaider up against me n lets see wuts really up! finger pop that shit too! no pulling string when youve shot over 1,000 rounds!
johnnyartillery 3 years ago
How's your wrist? Finger popping leads to misfires and broken arms. Or flat out squashed recruits.
BTW Crusader used a automated shell, powder cache and ram. hard for a human to move 98 pound projectiles that fast in cramped conditions and then have to hand ram them.
axeman0069 3 years ago
yo! im ok, never been bit. the most round ive fired was 55 in one day. ive never been so fatigue in my life! and it was in the midle of summer in iraq. lol, you just have to be good and very cordinated. ive only got one miss fire in my carer and it was with a lanyard. it does hurt, but you just have to man the fuck up on it. my section was bustin ass all day long! ive got about 1000 under my belt, and about 750 were hand rammed, its easier and alot faster.
johnnyartillery 3 years ago
Keep poundin 'em out then man!
No doubt it's faster when you can open the rear bay and not have to use the hydrolic.
Check out three rounds in twenty seconds vid on here, stationary 155. Good hustle.
axeman0069 3 years ago
My dad worked on the Crusader project. Then we had to move because it got canceled. Screw you US Gov't.
genesis344 3 years ago
well its unfortunate because the Germans have the PzH 2000 which does almost the exact same thing (can fire 10-13 rounds per minute continuously) and it only costs 4.5 million dollars. Compare that to the XM2001 crusader which costs over 20 million dollars per unit. we should probably buy a whole bunch of those off the germans instead of trying to make our own (and given the fact that we will probably never have hostilities with Deutschland in the next 100 years, it won't be a problem)
migkillertwo 3 years ago 2
But the Crusader price wouldn't rise with failing markets over here and the price of the Euro vs. the dollar. And I don't think the gov't outsources to other countries when it comes to military hardware.
genesis344 3 years ago
Are you not familiar with the L70 Bofors 40mm gun. Or the AT-4 dual purpose. Imported.
US mopstly imp[orts from Sweden and Israel, but it deffinetely does.
halomolim 3 years ago
lol the crusader blow that paladin to kingdom come haha
GeorgeT50 3 years ago
I thought the crusader got axed by Pentagon.
dlmaniac 3 years ago
our gun crew was not as slow as that...it's like they were drinking the sleepy syrup before getting the fire mission
tonyaj1972 3 years ago 3
lol thats like the slowest paladin crew ever
MasonJones11 3 years ago 2
...and if the auto-loader breaks?????
boobtuber06 3 years ago
What a lie! Our M198 towed 155 battery could get off 12 a minute per gun! That isn't the max sustained by the Army regs, but we could do it. We aren't as fancy with computers & GPS, but we can match it. That was a M109 (not even A1) and was doing everything by the book in school. The 777s are good guns, but a well trained crew can match it. We don't jam, and we don't have mechanical malfunctions.
INDYANDY4C 3 years ago 3
that paladin was a piece of shit anyways
humvee600 3 years ago
Use the PzH 2000 it's not as complex as the Crusader but it still fire fast.
5687678 3 years ago
PzH fires up to 12 rounds per minute... i think that is world record
MexxProtect 3 years ago
PzH ftw
dylanwmoh 3 years ago
lol paladin - crusader 3- 15 whahaha
dragfear 3 years ago
the auto-loader on the crusader's nice, but with high maitenence, or mechanical failure, the paladin is probably more efficient.
1Hrt1Mnd 3 years ago
You mean the Comanche? The Apache is in service and has been for a long time. The latest being the Apache Longbow.
Scrat335 3 years ago
Man that crusader looks complex, a little too complex for the battlefield if you ask me. Give it a few weeks away from a maintence shed what good would it be?
Scrat335 3 years ago
its also canceled just like the apache
moicced 3 years ago
Of course making the weapon fully automated will allow it to fire faster but there are more to consider then just how fast you can fire. Weight, cost of production, cost of maintenance.
fea168 3 years ago
That and what if the auto loading mechanism fails on the crusader? Can it still function manually or is it useless? Its best to keep things simple so they wont fail as often.
recruit71 3 years ago
No it can't be used manually if it brakes down in the field your pretty much fucked.
Crusader reloading is all automated from a support vehicle as well if it brakes down you can't reload it.
And a good Paladin team can get 4 shots off pretty damn fast 2-3 mins.
HeeroYuy911 3 years ago
the paladin crew is way too slow as a crew i think they found the slowest crew in the army. i mean really u can fire 3 rounds in 30 seconds. and why on earth was the number 1 reattching the firing mech after each round??? its not supposed to come off! yes the crusader is nice but its getting a little extreme when robots outta the fight. what happened to the human element of war???
1advet 4 years ago
He's not re-attaching the firing mech, he's putting the primer into the slot and pulling the firing mech in place. The way this crew fired was SOP for a Paladin crew doing Paladin operations. Also, they may have been doing a long fire mission so the 1 man might have been trying to pace himself. Not to mention that if you fire real fast like that and blow your wad then you're going to overheat the barrel and that's never a good thing 4 rounds a minute for 2 minutes and 1 round a minute thereafter
brinktk 3 years ago