European Journal | Turkey: Rapprochement with Armenia

[yklocnykl]

kucuk ALI KEMALLER is basinda,ATILLA ILHAN yaratilan bu komprador siniflarin ulkeden habersiz olduklarini ne de guzel anlatiyor kitaplarinda.Istanbul da evi var diyor o ALIYE KEMAL.

BU ALI KEMALLERin beyinleri disariya bagli oldugu icin sahipleri ne derse onu yaparlar.Birak Sozde soykirimi ermeni kopeklerine toprak bile verir bu yeni nesil ALI KEMALLER.ULKE BITMIS AGLAYANI YOK.

[bbphnix]

these students are ...holy!!! way to go!!! this is how people should be like! peace and friendship!

[duzcocuk]

i cant know really what happend at 1915 but, Ottoman state was sent to armenians to syria or south from their hometowns but Y?

were armenians innocent? armenian groups were revolted againist ottoman empire while on WWI. Simply

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec You're the only one doing propaganda, claiming that my honest opinions are lies. This is how I truly feel. And don't misquote me. I said Turks and Armenians are both not perfect, but most of both peoples are good, and only stupid governments get in the way. A genocide happened, but it doesn't change the fact that Turks of today are not killers; just people. I am saddened by your evident hatred and misled mind denouncing any good Armenian as a charade. You are not worth further posts

[kespec]

@truthb4liesalibies

cant you understand? so called "genocide" took place when the ottoman governors were in charge, they were ottomans; armenians, greeks, albanians , arabians, kurds or turks. a mixed aristocracy, simply read articles about millet system of ottoman empire. but turkey is formed and governed by turkic race who exercised their last stand to save their existence, with some old fellow ottomans; ones above.

i mean if you look for someone to be charged........

[kespec]

@truthb4liesalibies

you must charge every fucking country descended from ottoman empire, especially "millet-i sadika" and "tebay-i sadika".

do you wonder what "millet-i sadika" means in ottoman turkish? and whom its referred to?

it means "nation of loyalty", "ones you can turn your back in bitter dark times"

who are they? ARMENIANS!

so why would a group of people, whose dedication and loyalty is renowned must be slaughtered in a way you claim?

[kespec]

@truthb4liesalibies

its war, little minds were filled with propaganda and nationalism wave.they were misguided to backstab the nation who trusted armenians to the core by russians who wants ottoman empire to be defunct to get in warm waters easily.

"in war, its eye for an eye"

no one talks about slaughters of armenian gangs when the area is demilitarized because of the empires trust in armenians. in the bitter times of war, trusted zones of empire were demilitarized to.................

[deeptuber109]

On last Turkish wave to Anotolia Seldjuk Turks took the land from Byzantium, Eastern Roman Empire. Before Byzantium Anotolia was under occupation of Great Roman Empire. Before Romans there was Persian Empire. So we Turks did not take no land neither from Kurds nor from Armenians. Now Turkey became 16th biggest economy in the world, a member of G20 and Armenian Constitution item 1 says; Up to Sivas is Armenia..that's half of Turkey. Just funny.

[ashtarak40]

Correction: Turks are the ones that closed the border and refuse to open it, the Armenian side is still open.

[kespec]

that is called boycott.

boycott executed because of dirty deeds of armenian governments

asala terror organization

karabagh massacres

pkk support

[ashtarak40]

@kespec if thats just a boycott, then why the fuck r u crying over israeli's boycotting palestinians?

[kespec]

do you know that turkey can single-handedly cripple israel by not providing them water?

and i didnt see anyone crying for boycott, i think its because of the tears still remain in your eyes make you see everyone wet. lol

[kespec]

please dont start crying about genocide thingie as all the armenians do. lol crybaby one more time

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec It's not crying--it's wanting the past to be recognized so the dead can rest, those who survived and are still alive can finally have peace, to recognize the Turkish heroes who hid and saved Armenians from slaughter, and to avoid ethnic cleansing in the future.

[kespec]

yes yes, everything is about future when people live free from tyranny of fear. no armenians want lands or money for compensation.. they just want peace, and for peace they can slaughter azeri turks in karabagh, tashlik.. for peace they claim an extinct empire to be murderers while turkey states that it has no connections with ottoman empire and its deeds.

keep acting the fool. nothing gonna happen as turkey is growing and growing

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec It's people like you who continue to allow blind hatred to keep tensions high and demonize other people. And your country criticizes how Israel treats Palestine? Hypocrites. You mirror their actions.

But I will not allow blowhards like you or the diseased Turkish government to influence my view of the real Turkish people--the ones who recognize past mistakes and do not stereotype other people. Those are the people I will call brothers.

[kespec]

i dont care about your fancy words as they are all void

there is no hatred in denial of armenian genocide as i can not be charged for deeds of an empire i have no link but there is hatred and rage in dictating a lie, we have all seen your true face when avenging your pain by slaughtering innocent azeris and when asala killed countless diplomats to dictate the lie.

sorry but you will have no brothers as you show mustafa kemal ataturk the hero of salvation of my people as cold blooded murderer

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec See, you are saying all Armenians are like ASALA, which is false. I know that not all Turks are cold blooded murderers--that was in the past, as strict right-wing Young Turks came into power. It's not your fault just as it's not the average German's fault that the Nazis came to power during a time of turmoil. You are the one who is trying to say all Armenians are vindictive. I have Turkish comrades, and they only say a "tragedy" happened to the Armenians, but I can't hate them.

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec Fancy or not, my words are the truth. And I acknowledge the Armenians aren't perfect, but it's sad that you can't say the same about Turks. They committed attrocities in the past. Deal with it. Most nations have had horrible records of mistreating people. America and Native Americans, Israel and Palestine, Ottoman Empire transitioning to Turkey and Armenians, etcetera, etcetera. But denying that genocides ever happened is wrong, because it paves the way for future genocides.

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec And there may be no hatred nowadays in denial of genocide, but denial is the final chapter of a genocide--erasing traces of the crime, and killing the victims twice--once through bloodshed, and once through sullying their memories.

[truthb4liesalibies]

@kespec And yeah, the Armenians showed their true colors in this video....being kind and inviting and making Turkish friends. Be like these Turks and leave behind your misconceptions of an entire people.

[0ttomaniaC]

well I dont know many armenians I just know two armenians in where I work we never had problems also we talk a lot coz we have lots of stuff in common food music we enjoy almost the same things and I see them very close to me I hope soon everything gets better and have normal relations..

[truthb4liesalibies]

@0ttomaniaC I only know a couple Turks, and I like them too. Our cultures are so close due to cultural diffusion--where each group influenced the other. There was an Armenian genocide done by the Young Turks, because in times of crisis governments are more likely to commit attrocious deeds. It's not the people's fault--it's the early Turkish/late Ottoman government to blame, not the Turkish civillians. Some of you helped hide and save Armenians.

[truthb4liesalibies]

@0ttomaniaC I just want the past to be acknowledged; your unsung heroes who helped save my people, and the victims in my family to have their memories honored, without some callous jerk saying my ancestors were never slaughtered--they just "disappeared." If the Armenian Genocide was recognized by Turkey, you would be a prouder nation, strong enough to confront the truth, having the honor of being honest and trying to make ammends (by not saying our dead never died).

[kespec]

@truthb4liesalibies

send the soldiers to hot fronts. south eastern of anatolia where the population of armenians were high was also a trusted zones. because armenians were "millet-i sadika". this was the biggest mistake the empire made. trusted armenians became the greatest nemesis of empire because of their slaughters they committed .

anyway its annoying to enlighten ignorants, go find the truth by yourself

[Varangian1915]

It's too bad the turkish public school textbooks and media in classrooms are so biased. My american textbooks were biased too don't get me wrong.  I admit us American committed genocide on Native Americans, but that does not mean I am not proud to be an American. So Turks should not take the Genocide so personally either We are not blaming the people personally. We are blaiming a government of a hundred years ago. That's a big difference that Turks have to appreciate.

[daniksexy1]

I have a lot of turkish friends where i live and they all mad cool with me and one always calls me his best friend !!!LOL so yeah i mean things are changing but people wont forget things so fast

[PureArmenian]

Armenians will never, ever consider turks as friends, be it ten years, houndread years or thousend. Genocide of Armenians is not the only reason, dont forget Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, Georgians and many other people. turks have been barberian inveiders starting 1000 A.D., they are nothing but cancer for Anatolia and Caucasia. Armenians have been fighting inveiders for 4000+ years, and we will fight for our colture and our lands another 4000 years, we dont know how to geave up.

[bbphnix]

@PureArmenian you're exagerating; don't confuse ottomans with turks; ataturk did a fine job in reshaping the country into a proper nation, very different from the barbaric ottomans; and trust me, I do not like the ottomans; they crippled my country for 400 years; I put them 3rd on my list of political entities I would destroy if I could time-travel, after the the 3rd Reich and the USSR

[tina1988x]

did't Mustafa Kamal Ataturk admit that the genocide happen?

[afaresis]

I am a Turk. I read about what happened in 1915. I don't think that it is genocide. And I don't think it should be important, because it is a God damn's fcuking word where the pains of people are real. I want to express my sorrow for innocent people's sufferings at the period be it Turkish or Armenian. I honestly would want to be friends with Armenians. If I knew I would not be unwelcomed since I do not recognize 1915 as a genocide, I would like to visit Armenia and make some friends there.

[tmoda61]

afaresis, although your heart is in the right place, no Armenian will befriend a Turk as long as you are a 'denialist' to them. The issue of genocide has become a part of their identity for they have no other issue they can relate to. Sadly.

[bbphnix]

@afaresis okay explain to me why you think the 1915 genocide wasn't really a genocide.? lots of Armenians were forced into marches , supposedly to relocate the Armenians - which is a form of ethnic cleansing and is just as evil - but the marches were ENGINEERED in such a way as to ensure the death of as many of the armenians as possible; explain that;

is it because the armenians were rebelling against the Ottomans? there; a diff between crushing a revolt and genocide...

[MrStrawhatlegend]

@bbphnix What i can't understand is that despite the undeniable evidence pointing to the massacre, why do the Turks still deny it?

[mattdogan]

@MrStrawhatlegend Maybe Turks will take you more seriously if you dont photoshop well-known images to the Turkish society.

[mattdogan]

@bbphnix Ok, let me explain.Armenian problem was started by Armenians. The killings of officials and innocents, joining the enemy among other acts pushed the Empire which was fighting on many fronts to the breaking point . Imagine the same situation with any other failing empire struggling to save itself would have taken any measures necessary even today, in this century. This was a century ago. Nations were more driven with land and nationalist values. Armenia started, Turks finished it.

[bbphnix]

@mattdogan wow, such bastards the Armenians, fighting against the conquering ottomans (I'm being sarcastic);

the ottomans shouldn't have invaded other peoples in the first place; the armenians fighting against them is only natural; who wouldn't fight invaders and oppressors? the fact that the ottomans added insult to injury by considering ethnic cleansing as a way to deal with the armenians once and for all is inexcusable;

[mattdogan]

@bbphnix You don't know anything about history, do you? Poor you.

[ArmenianEducation]

It's about time we become friends. Genocide recognition is vital to us and we will never stop the struggle for recognition. Turkish people are not to blame, their government prohibits any teaching about Armenian Genocide. If you haven't been taught, how can you know ? And if you don't know, why would you accept it ?

[TeamSTALKERS]

I am Armenian. I welcome Turks as friends.

[live4reall]

thanks buddy same here I welcome Armenians as friends

[GaroArmen]

there is no frienship unless the recongnizing of the Armenian genocide by Turkey,we owe this the the unkownen souls ones killed and massacred and the armenian genocide servivors,I am a grandson of a survivors,why my grandmother walk from Sivas(spastia) all he way to to syrian desert,while pregnant and one year old child?

[cbasma2782]

im armenian this was a nice video to watch hopefully we see more videos like this one from both sides

[Sevana01]

Then both countries relationship will improve..

[Sevana01]

The recognition of Armenian Genocide is very important to Armenian people. All this years Armenians have pain and hurt in their hearts what happened to their grandparents and their people. We can only go forward when Turkish Government accept Armenian Genocide and will be given to us what's right. Armenians they don't want all Turkey but they want what is rightously belong to them.

Genocide is a fact, it happened and we want justice and recognition.

[laguys818]

Anyway- I'm glad that the Armenian citizens were friendly to the respectful Turkish guests. People want to be friends.

[SirSneeky1]

Im for reconciliation and open borders without pre conditions, NEVER give up Karabagh or the Armenian genocide recognition for friendship with ANY country. Any Armenian leader that does is a traitor guilty of treason and must be overthrown or assassinated.

[laguys818]

I wonder what was their reaction from the genocide museum (seeing the other side of the story)

[mattdogan]

@laguys818 If you are talking about many fabricated images and documents Armenia has come up with ( how embarrassing ), I think the world has seen it all.

[hayastan44]

recognition of the Genocide is a must

until then, i wouldn't proceed with improving relations.

This is simply a way out for Turkey, especially since there is now rumours of Armenia accepting Turkish borders.

This must be stopped.

[mattdogan]

@hayastan44 I havent laughed this hard i a long time. Turkey's border was drawn in 1922-1923. When was Armenia's again? Who the hell is Armenia to discuss Turkish borders? Is this a joke? It must be, because we are laughing. ;)