Ok, so he was not an atheist by choice. Yeah, well the soviet russia had it's own religion, which was socialism, so any other religion was pretty much banned.
Btw, read bible as well, did not feel anything, other than fascination on how anyone can really think that bible was written by god.
Still, what kind of scientist Milan is or was? Nature or soft?
@StopSpamming1 A true muslim will never apostize thats bcoz islam is the only religion acceptable to God and the only religion that makes sense. Moreover, its not necessary that a scientist is a better muslim. And, yes anyone who has a phd in engineering science is considered rightly as a scientist. I know as i am a scientist myself. Peace!
OK, then we have a lot less TRUE Muslims in this world.
:) Every god says that. Every religion claims that. Just like political parties.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that a scientist is someone who studies and researches within a branch of science. I came across this when researching Dr. K. Moore, whom I would definitely not call a scientist, but an author with a PhD.
@StopSpamming1 Dr. K. Moore for your kind info is associate dean of faculty of medicine at university of toronto. And, was the one who discovered the complete process of embryology. In other words he did huge research into that, in other words a true scientist. And, islam is infact the truth and perhaps u r right that there is a lack of true muslims in this world but that certainly doesnt mean that u should not be a true muslim yourself. So do RESEARCH before u speak. Peace!
Are you sure you want to call yourself a scientist? Moore researched and discovered something? Do you have the paper? Where and what number?
FYI: Moore is retired and has had nothing to do with Islam for decades - by his own admittance.
Whether Islam is truth is up to your standard of truth. The factual and literal description of embryology at least is demonstrably false. But I see it as a metaphorical description, nothing more.
@StopSpamming1 God describes the process of fetus development in the womb, among other evidences, to guide mankind to the truth, because clearly 1400 years ago, in a desert, no body had a microscope to accurately describe the sperm cells since the microscope wasn't invented then until several centuries later. Also, my standard of truth is simply what anybody's standard of truth is: if there is undeniable evidence to a logic; i will follow that, now everybody has to agree with that. peace!
Logic? Your god requires a microscope to accurately describe the process he created? Why copy the knowledge of the 7th century?
Now either it was humans who did not have a microscope at their disposal and thus described it using the vague words we know, or we have a god who does not see it fit to use the 4 fundamental terms required for human reproduction: spermatozoon, ovum, fertilisation and zygote. Those words are not used in any Islamic texts. You can't have it both ways.
@StopSpamming1 lol you and i both know these words were not coined until zygotes and spermatozoon were discovered. Once you discover something only then can you name it - logic. Now, if these words were used, people of that era would not understand it and people of this era would also not understand it because we would probably have a different name for it. And, if you want this era & that era to realize that this verse is true then u have to use words which are vague yet accurate:God's words.
@StopSpamming1 God all-mighty does what ever he wishes. And, yes everyone was created by Allah, including you and me. What you need to do, is realize that God is infact the one who gives us our souls and takes it away whenever he wishes. This life is only a test and if you are righteous (a true muslim) and do your obligations to your fellow creatures and associate non with God, you shall be successful in the afterlife. Or else....well let me not go into that. Peace! =)
@StopSpamming1 haha. No you are clearly wrong, God doesn't need our worship we need to worship God, since we are nothing without God. And, if u think there is no evidence for after life, then do u seriously then that one fighting for God is killed by a bullet and if hitler kills himself by a similar bullet, then where is justice. Surely the here after is there to punish those who do evil and corruption while heaven is a reward for those who have firm belief and do righteous deeds. continued....
@StopSpamming1 And, you have no idea how better i have become once i have become a muslim. Its like not being puzzled anymore over life and having a direction in life. Its like going from darkness into light, like becoming alive after being dead. This is what a true religion feels like. No more lies just the plain truth. And, universe does need to have a creator because the big bang, which is mentioned in the quran, was an explosion and NO explosion brings stability from chaos unless contd......
That's the same thing people say about Scientology.
OK, now you have disqualified yourself from any serious discussion:
#1: no Big Bang Model is mentioned in the Koran. Cloved asunder means anything and nothing. It's plain stupidity by Bucaille, Al Zindani and parrots like Naik and Yahya.
@StopSpamming1 #1 Clove asunder means to cut/break away by a huge force and that is EXACTLY what the big-bang model is all about - an explosion of a humungous magnitude. And the ones who say the truth u call them stupid and parrots how disgusting. #2 Big bang is no more a debate its a fact so dont lie! #3 well u r the one who started it.
May God guide u to the truth, ameen. But u too have to search for it with tolerance and patience. Take care. Remain in contact. Peace!
@StopSpamming1 unless an external factor is involved. So how can u even think that this huge universe came into perfect harmony without some one controlling it. How can u even imagine that ur soul had no creator. And, even medical science agrees that a soul certainly does exist. So dont fool ur own self into thinking there is no God, since there certainly is one and only one God. (Allah is just the arabic/herbew word for God which are much older languages than the english language) Peace!
@StopSpamming1 and no its not my God, its our God. One God created everyone. And, no. God definitely doesn't need microscope it is only to prove the point that people who debate on how the Quran is infact like all the previous revelations from God to the previous prophets is divine so is the quran. And, mind it, islam is the final religion for all of mankind, its not limited to arabs or non-arabs, or american or indian or german or black or white or male or female rather it is for every1. Peace!
For someone who claims to be a scientist you demonstrate a painful lack of scientific approach, thinking and logic.
No, your god is only your god, as he or she or it is imaginary and non-existent in the real world. It is equally obvious that the Koran was written by humans to serve only one person: Muhammad. Who misunderstood a lot of things and had no concept of scientific knowledge.
Stop preaching and get back to the point: how does the Universe require a creator?
@misterblackdark The universe is perfect. Dont u c, how the stars and moons and planets and glaxies all follow their choosen orbits. Dont u c, how from the big-bang (explosion) came an order?
dont u get it? if u dont then i suggest u remain patient, open ur heart and brain to the truth, no offence. Peace!
@misterblackdark haha u think this is stupidity???!! DONT U GET IT, HOW AFTER THE BIG-BANG, MENTIONED IN QURAN , AN EXPLOSION, HOW ORDER CAME ABOUT. MANKIND HAS SEEN NO EXPLOSION BY WHICH ORDER COMES AND NOT CHAOS OR DESTRUCTION. SURELY SOME1 MUST HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF THIS ORDER, AND WHO ELSE BUT GOD, THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING. GOD IS ALL-KNOWING, ALL-HEARING, ALL-SEEING, ALL-MERCIFUL, ALL-POWERFUL AND HE DOES WHATEVER HE WILLS AND NO1 CAN DENY THAT. HOPE U REALIZE ISLAM IS THE TRUTH. PEACE!
@engineering4logic Irrespective that the Big Bang was an expansion of Space and Time and not and explosion in space. I will show there is indeed order and and new forms made in explosions. We observe complex chemical reactions, new compounds produced, and the release of energy in many forms. Nothing is destroyed or lost, it only changes form. It can form orderly structures such as a wonderfully symmetrical creator in the ground. And debris settling out according to mass in relation to distance.
@Core5 the big bang proves that the universe never existed before time began. That it was infact CREATED. But if u say created by no one then that is really a joke and u r being illogical. But if u say that the universe was created by a creator that does make sense because even in science there are indeed causes for everything. Nothing happens just like that with out any reason. So be REASONable and RESEARCH into the message of islam. Peace!
Erm, not quite. The Big Bang Model only starts just after the expansion without looking at the time before it, as that is nonsensical. It was an event without the need for a creation as nothing was created.
Arguing that a creator created the Universe makes as much sense as saying radioactive decay was created. You are the typical person who argues for the god of the gaps. What if we DO find more evidence for pops in quantum physics? For no reason and without creator?
@StopSpamming1 well i m sure that quantum physics will never be completely be able to deny God that is simply because this huge universe which is trillions of light years in diameter could NEVER have come into existence just by chance. That is just like saying that the world's advanced space shuttle came into existence by magic. Now THAT is illogical. Peace! =)
Quantum physics has nothing to do with any god. I just used it as an example for uncaused events. And to deny a god would mean first having to prove one exists.
Oh, so just because you don't understand cosmogony automatically means a god did it? By chance? Are you serious? Maybe I overestimated you initially.
Please don't insult my intelligence with examples like the shuttle. Next you'll be bringing up the watch or the 747.
@StopSpamming1 haha you think that you are so smart.... sorry no offence, but, the most wise man considers himself the most uneducated due to all the ocean of knowledge left before him. You see, if you think that the quran is not the truth just because a verse says it is, then go on and continue reading it within context and see if that it is the truth. Islam is not at all a new religion, the message it preached was by all the previous prophets of God, which is to worship the one true creator...
Erm, you described yourself as a scientist, I did not make that claim for myself.
Ah, now we are down to the poor argument of context. Next will be the language and the translation.
It seems you are just another wannabe. Pity.
What in Islam is applicable to the 21st century? What in the Koran is true? All fables and stories all the way to the Sumerians claim creation. Except that the Epic of Gilgamesh does a better job than the Koran.
@engineering4logic You claim that the Universe can't come from nothing. Then you should apply the same Logic to explain your god's origin.
It is wrong to say the Universe came from nothing. More accurately, there was nothing before the Universe, because there was no such thing as 'before'. basically The Universe 'was' @ Time=0. We are in a self contained bubble, All of the energy in the universe is Gravitational potential energy, caused by points of space expanding during inflation. Net Energy=0
@Core5 well clearly as you said, the chain has to stop, but doesnt it make more sense that you stop once you realize that there is a creator because if you stop at the end of the chain where you claim (falsely, no offence) that the universe is the creator, when clearly the universe is a creation. Also, of the 99 names for God there is 1 word that God uses to describe himself which suites this question: that God is the first. NO BODY was before he existed. Clearly that makes more sense. Peace!
In quantum physics, many particles, with various masses can pop in and out of existence. They are literally created out of nothing, exist, and return to nothing. So nothing created nothing, but for a short time there was something. This doesn't violate any thermodynamic laws, because the net energy in the universe remains a constant. The Universe as a whole may be the much the same.
@engineering4logic , The Universe contains a finite amount of energy. During inflation points in space were separated, creating gravitational potential form of negative energy. That void was filled with an equal amount of positive energy.
Since the sum of Positive Energy and Negative Gravitational Potential Energy equal 0. It can be argued by an outside observer that nothing was created from nothing. And nothing requires no creator. So why is nothing, something? It just hasn't canceled out yet.
@Core5 It is true that net energy remains constant. But, we all can see how time and again the fundamental known laws of physics keep on changing when applied over the entire scale of the universe. But, it definitely seems logical to say that something created a creation rather than the creation springing into life just out of chance. That is because, an explosion can never sustain life/maintain itself unless having an external controller involved - God. Peace! =)
Besides Europe, it is correct. China is getting more Christian, Africa is getting more Muslims and Christians, South America is just switching from Catholicism to Protestantism. America is getting more religious even if it's government is starting to get more secular (Civil war, hint hint)
All i can say is most religions are on the increase. Something is happening to these people that they change from nonreligious to religious. For me it was various things, but for all the rest of these people, something is happening to them.
And atheism is on a percentage increase. MORE of the world's population is atheist than ever before. The only reason religions are on the increase is because of accelerated birth raes in poorer countries.
Atheism is only on a rise in Europe. That's really it. Maybe Northern Asia, but to that extent only. Islam is the fastest growing rate, Christianity second, I think. And I'm probably wrong on this, but Buddhism is 3rd.
The quantum world level. Meaning that the their is no time here. How exactly can something be forever and never at the same time? You refuse to see all the proofs. For instance, how can a photon know where to go, and quantum tunnel if there is something blocking that way it is going? Everything in the Multiverse has inteligience, and God is it's source. All things here are limited by time, but all things out of the universe, in the quantum level is free to do as it pleases.
Our brains are incapable of understanding quantum behaviour. And time is NOT a limit! And where did your 'multiverse intelligence' come from? If it is limited to time then where did it come from, what caused it?
Time may noly exist in this Universe. And yes when we die it is all over. We are made of the same material as inanimate objects. In the scientific view we are chemical reactions that have become incredibly complex. We are nothing more. And we live because we are part of the endless chain that is life.
That is just the way it is I am afraid. How you FEEL is completely irrelevant and provides no evidence whatsoever. And why should we be any grander than a virus? Physically speaking there is not a vast difference.
Let's see, we can alter the Earth, we can think, we can feel, and we can do shit loads more then a stupid virus can. Whoever did it- God, Jebus, aliens, flyings Spagetii Monster- We turned out completely different. Long ago, something told us to Leave Africa and Create.
You exaggerate our ability. We still follow our natural lifecycle, we still uise our instinct, society is only a small construction.
And we most likely left Africa because of the arid conditions, not God, Jebus, aliens, flyings Spagetii Monster. We did not turn out completely different. Evolution favoured intelligence and tool making and that is exactly what happened.
Actually, under that argument, then why did we KEEP leaving. Egypt was fine, the Tigris and Euphrates were fine, why keep moving?
Also, I'm not overstating it. Our animal parts are being lessens every year. Our minds depend more on machine then animal now. Pretty soon all we will be is a brain on a robot.
It is not impossible but religions are scientifically unlikely. Atheism is technically the most scientifically probable. My point is how can you debate religion when you have no evidence to go on?
afcourse there are evidence containing real facts! everyone is not blind! people do have brainzzzz....and the one which has wisdom! finds his or her way to the truth! i dont understand how a person can believe that there is no god! how can it be possible that this universe came into existance without any creator! ask urself this question! because humans are never perfect and there might be a possibility that u r at a wrong track!
Life itself is a simulation built by the brain, so it is not sound. And why should I believe 'after death momnets' when they come from people whose brains are starved of oxygen? There are an overwhelming number of scientific and psychological for these phenomonon.
That is because you normally know you are going for surgery. And the 'clunks of cells and nerves' is one of the most incredible structures in the universe, we barely understand it anyway. It is YOU! Consciousness is a physical phenomonon. If you cannot appreciate the power of the brain then you are in no position to dicuss these things.
What's so complex? they have med videos of doctors electrocuting parts of the speech section and the mouth saying what was electrocuted. It's a freaking organic computer. Nothing but the brain's equivalently of 1s and 0s.
And I'm talking about the people who were knocked stone cold out an heard the conversations of people in the next room.
Or so it is said. There are things in this universe that are stranger than any god. Just because we do not understand it does not mean magic is involved. And you are incredibly stupid to claim that speech is simple, that the brain is a mere computer!
Yep, just an organic computer with 1s and 0s for the brain. Anywho. There's also the working theory-becoming-fact of the multiverse. One working theory is that a time traveler who altered the past would create a new universe rather then an altered original. So tell me. How does the universe recognize that something within it has changed and that it must split like a cell into two identical, but different, universes? I thought that there was no supreme thing in the universe making decisions.
Firstly, the brain is the most complex known structure in the Universe. Secondly, the multiverse theory is based on quantum events, particles etc, not human experiences.
Yea, and what I'm saying is how does a universe know to split when altered? How does it know that every single second, for every single possibility, it must create a clone of itself with those infinite possibilities running in action. How does it know?
Everything has a drive. something backing it. Acceleration due to gravity, speeding objects have momentum, etc. What is driving the multiverse from the outside to allow it? The multiverse is a place with every possible scenario put into play. Why is there nothing with the same scenario put into play? What sorts them and not allow cloned universes. Every one if different, unlike the last. What makes it so?
Yea I know. It don't matter though. There is a major question into how universes filter themselves so they only split for every possible situation, never clones. It just simply goes on for ever. For me, this complex system is enough to say something is beyond. It's like saying we're alone in the universe. To actually think that way is ignorant.
It is not the Universe recognises it, it happens because the quantum event MAKES it split. Its like saying how does the tree know to fall when hit by an axe.
You don't get it at all. What is the maker of this system? Did it all just one day decide to go that way? It's been there for ever. Anything that's forever is also from something. That's what makes it so. it is infinity within time. A paradox on its own, but that's the way it be.
Why do you assume a system has a creator. And no one said it has been there for ever. And it is simpler to say it came from nothing than to say God did it and never think of its origins. Plus, what imperical evidence of a designer do you have?
I assume a creator because it's an external source. Life began here in the little molecular stages. Weather God made it or not I care little of. I tend to believe in seeding from other worlds. And all that life came from some original source. The multiverse is EXTERNAL. Therefore an external force is needed. I've also seen people die and seen evidence they were still interacting with the world afterwards. So I have my proof. You'd call me crazy, but I have my proof all the same.
Your PERSONAL PROOF is completely irrelevant to the world, completely based on emotions and totally subjective. So you should NEVER expect anyone to take it seriously.
Exactly. But it's that very thing that will make religion win. Because religious people have personal experiences to make them believe. Atheists just regurgitate what they've been told.
By there being atheists it shows we can take off the shackles of religion. The main reason religion survives because of childhood indoctrination, one of the world's greatest evils.
Think what you want. Your only 10% or less of the world. Seems to me religion is on the rise. meaning some atheists must be seeing something differently. For instance, the scientist on this video.
If you think that the tons of Eastern Europeans and middle easterners will not force their religion on you, be my guest. It's what's going on in the US. Russians and Mexicans are flooding in, bringing with them their beliefs and culture. The Irish had the same effect 100 years ago I think. Such is the cycle of nations like that. You just screwed your own pursuit to eliminate religion by allowing the immigrants in. I personally welcome them and their cultural attachments to the US.
Actually, it is the Bible and I think even the Quran that talk about the different levels of creation. Or universe. And ascending or descending though them. God is the highest and hell, if it even exists (which I doubt), is the lowest.
This is a contradiction. Through your argument I could conclude that because humans can create fictional universes, then God can create a real universe.
I heard he was recently the guest speaker at the young pedophiles and small animal lovers forum. The inspiring speech stated the virtues of molesting small animals and children as practiced by moohamed and written in the kornan. After the forum the crowd of muslims participated in a mass small animal orgy. Allah Akbar.
Thanks, I searched for FreeThinking and I ended up with this video. I hate when people seek viewer attention by adding in hundreds of religious related key words. What do the words "Greek", "Jesus" and "Animals" have to do with this?! And "United States of Australia" was an offensive thing to put in here, a lot of Australian's (Not so much me) dislike America.
error. AISHA WAS 9 YR OLD BABY WITH HER DOLLS(read quran) WHEN SHE MARRIED MUHAMMED.Imagine your sister having sex with an OLD OLD MAN.
More about AISHA: when mohammed and her father were sitting, she was playing and Mohammed said that he want to marry her when she grows..... That's very nasty
About spain allowing sex at age 13, I think that is ridiclous. Because, kids at that age lack the life experience to fully understand the ramifications of engaging in sexual acts.
Biblical Moses and his men raped girls under half of the age of Aisha. Read NUMBERS 31:7-18 ''...And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for your selves every girl who has not slept with a man.'' These little girls were forced by Moses and his men. Muhammad was handed his wife by her parents consent. Thats a big difference. You can't apply your present outlook on the people who lived 1400 years ago! Amazing.
Let me be clear, I'm not a christian(I don't subscribe to any dieties). But i do think that jesus is a nice character than mohammed. I also think the 'mecca mohammed' is better than the 'medina mohhamed'.
bb21qq : "You can't apply your present outlook on the people who lived 1400 years ago!"
As a 'prophet', isn't mohammed supposed to know which one is wrong and right.
The onset of menstruation, occurs between the ages of 9 and 16. Please have that checked up by your GP. People during those days did not live as long as we do today. It would make sense to start life early. Nature makes some girls reproductive at the age of 9 to 16. Ask the Christians who commanded Moses to rape the female kids, they will tell you, Jesus was the chief and commander of the OT. I can tell you are very ignorant about the life of Muhammad. Study the great man, as I have.
-Menstruation begins two years after puberty. And puberty starts around the age of ten. Duration of puberty in girls lasts for about five years. That is the time they are ready to bring babies.
-about ppl at those days dying early; Mohammed died at the age of 68 of sickness. Most of his wives were not that young at their marriage...
-as i told you hundred times, i'm not a christian. I don't read any claimed 'holy books' hundred times. I choose to read science books.
You dont have a clue! ask your GP, he may be able to help you in your self made problem. Some girls begin their first period in between the age of 9 to 16. Did you know Aisha was already engaged to be married to someone else? doesn't that tell you it was the custom of that time to marry early? Dont be ignorant, study the great man, Muhammad.
Let me clear this. Girls start puberty(~10yrs) and then menstrual bleeding comes after 2yrs.
I do know that underage marriage was popular at that time. Even today there are many tribes who practice it, making many girls to die when they are young.
I don't find any great thing about mohammed. You are deluded enough to NOT see the work of great minds before & after him.
About me having 'no clue', 'ignorant'... Who do you think you are? What do you do? Do you go to school?...
You'll find me at this place: Known as ''stany'' at bismikaallahumaDOT ORG. Come there and we can debate about anything you like. I will prove to you that the Quran is a divine revelation. Come into the forum. See you there?
You have not answered the fact that Aisha was already engaged to someone else before Muhammad, were you aware? You have not blamed the parents of Aisha who willingly gave their daughters hand to the Prophet. Aisha became a scholar of Islam after Muhammad expired. She had no complaints whatsoever. She has only love for the Prophet. Aisha was the only virgin the Prophet married.
I was 'aware' that she was engaged by her parents before Muhammed. Sadly, even today many cultures in 3rd world countries engage their children before even they were born. Since those kinds of acts was already practiced by the elders, it's widely accepted by the people. So, i'm not surprised if the people were to follow their culture.
Also, i would really appreciate if you were to reply in order of the time it was posted.
You said, ''Also, i would really appreciate if you were to reply in order of the time it was posted. '' Can you explain what you mean by that. Please clarify?
About order: If you poseted something today, i'll post something behind it, viceversa.
Again, the arguments that i heard for the defense of aisha's marrige to muhammed are ridiclous. I'm not surprised because religous ppl would say/do anything to protect their prophets.
The parents of Aisha would not have done anything to their daughter if they believed it was harmful for her. Infact they knew when she was ready! You'll never here any complaints about her parents. That tells me people want to attack the Prophet only. I'll debate with you on anything about Islam at: bismikaallahumaDOTORG.
I think I already explained about Aishas parents decision in my previous replies.
Again, I heard muslims arguments saying that she was very mature at that time, some say it was her parents decision, even some saying that she couln't be 9 at that time..... I found those arguments to be ridiclous. It is really stupid for some muslim countries to allow for girls to marry at a very young age. This is one of the examples muhhamed left.
Did you read about that 10 year old girl who was raped? the judge in that case said he could see how the man who raped her thought she was older then 10. Infact, she looked like she was 16. Would you not agree having sexual intercourse at a young age is a tradition of the OT? NUMBERS 31:7-18. Would you not agree that its worse to have sexual intercourse with girls less then half of the age of Aisha, by the Jews?
Let me just trying to straight things out. Do you think it is a good tradition for any culture that allows girls to marry and have sex/babies at a very young age?
I think you know what my stance regarding to the marriage of young girls, wether it was HISTORIC Jews doing it or anyone for that matter.
I believe as humans when a girl starts her period then by nature she is capable of reproduction. I can't argue with nature, can you? Many non-muslim cultures get married at a very young age, Indian Hindus. Even some European Christians. Each country has its own laws regarding the age of sexual consent. The country I live in, i'll respect its laws regarding the age of sexual consent. Its 16 in the UK. Its 13 in Spain. I think its 18 in USA. We cannot dictate whats right for other countries.
Let me just clear this: Do you know how many years puberty lasts? Do you know the stages of puberty...?I think i gave a little explanation about it in our conversation before., so check it out..
About some countries/ old cultures allowing sex: at least the people in those countries use some kind of protection thesedays. There is also different age requirments for sexual consent and marriage.
I do respect the decision of any culture, but I can JUDGE if their tradition is good or not.
You've avoided the main questions: Is raping girls less then half the age of Aisha, ok? Muhammad is a messenger of God which includes the biblical God. But Muhammad did not rape any girl, he gave Aisha honour. Aisha was the best learner about the sirah of her husband Muhammad. She taught us everything about Muhammad. The other wifes could not remember things like Aisha.
Of coursse not, I strongly oppose any kind of sex/marriage with a kid.
In one ur replies, you said that if a girl STARTS her puberty, she is ready to ready for sex, reproduction, marriage.... Are you kidding me. You must be an alien, i'm guessing that's how it works in ur planet. You told me to my GP, I recommend you to check ur GP.
About societies view on marriage/sex between muhammaed and aisha, i think i already answered that before.
You are misrepresenting me. I didn't say a girl is ready at puberty. I said when a girl starts her monthly period she is then ready to reproduce. If you disagree with that then you've got a big fight with mother nature. Its a battle lost without even starting. Aisha's marriage was consummated after her first period.
'Aisha's marriage was consummated after her first period'
Do you know it takes up to 2 years from First period for a girl's body to develop a regular menstrual cycle.
After the first period, it takes several months for ovulation to occur. NOTE:-I'm not saying they couln't fertlize at that time. They could even fertlize at their first period. At that their bodies is not READY.
I think you've to be blind enough not to see the side effects of girls having babies at that age,
In the will of God all children of Aisha didn't have any defects. In fact they become great people in thier time. So, what your saying is individualistic and as i've said it's the will of God to make you able or provide you of something.
in any point of view Prophet Mohammed (SAW) marriage to Aisha is in no way inappropriate. the marrying period that is in your norm is not a Gods'law...it's man made. based on the reasoning of human being. I believed that you can't find in any religious scripture prohibiting the teenager, like Aishas' age, to get married; to marry someone far older than her age.
the Amazon people walk around with their privates hanging out infront of their childrens. To many people especially westerners it is not acceptable to walk around naked. Fot the Amazon people its normal. What is your criterion in judging whos right and whos wrong? It's a simple question which needs a simple answer! Peace.
Now you brought a cheap argument. Becasue walking naked doesn't do harm than having a baby at very young age. Many young girls in countries like nigeria, afganistan and other traditional muslim countries loose their lives to have a baby.
==For ur second question about my criterion: my answer would be something that is good for our survival. I think if you understand evolution, then it won't be that hard to understand that concept.
Would you like to see your mother and sister or daughter walking around naked infront of you? If not, why not? I was born to my mother while she was 13. Many girls younger then 13 have babys under that age. I know one girl 10 yrs old who had a baby, and she's a christian. More and more young girls are having kids here in the uk. Without any probs. Your argument fails.
- I rather see someone naked that someone dying because they are having babies at younger age. There is a difference between good and bad tradition! bb21qq:- "More and more young girls are having kids here in the uk. Without any probs. Your argument fails." - I can't believe you said that. PLEASE: go to google,yahoo... and do more deep study on 'TEEN PREGNANCY'.
The Hindus practice marriage at a young age. So, do some european christians. You main problem is the age. Do you know how old the youngest girl in history was to give birth? Google this; ''History's Youngest Mother'' You'll be shocked. It will help you to know how mother nature works. It seems to me that you've been visiting Ali sinner's den! way too often. Come and debate with me? Only 500 letters are allowed in this reply. Way too short.
why youré making the marriage of the Prophet(SAW) to Aisha a big deal. Ok, you don't believe in Islam...(i'm not saying this because i have doubt with my faith) but what if it's the true religion and yours is not? my point is u have already said enough; besides at the end of the day we all stand in the day of judgement. if ur a Christian or jew u believe in that. so, why don't we just interchange each others goodluck and be happy for each other. peace bro
it's not your judgement call bro, cause you're not God that can tell all the time what's right/wrong. what then is your argument why God created the female to have their menarchy at age 13 or sometimes at age 9?
i'm aware that it's risky to get pregnant at an early age but if you belief in God you could not have thought of any risk. Because everything is from God, if He likes one to live He will give life. Take note also, though, there are many young mothers developed complications with their pregnancy there are many who survived too, and delivered healthy baby.
well i did see ur reply! n i guesss u urself dont actually know the truth prophet muhammad married aisha knowing that she is 9 years old! because at that time this was the most common age to get married.AISHA started getting proposals when she was 6.n then she married at the age of 9..which was very normal at that time!
Just imagine Jesus the chief and commander of the OT ordering Moses and his men to rape three year olds?(Numbers 31:7-18). That is the sickest thing I've ever come across in any so called holy book! Muhammad according to the traditions of that time was handed his wife(Aisha) by her willing parents. You say ''imagine your sister.'' I say, ''Aisha was handed over by her parents.'' I respect her parents decision.
Since mohhamed claimed to be a 'prophet', isn't he supposed to know which one is right and wrong? Do you think that having sex with a little girl with her dolls is a right thig to do?
Subanallah, mashallah allahu akbar. Now we have an islamic scientist!! wow. hehehe stupid dhimmi, lets convert more of these stupid non-thinking insecure individuals for further operations in civilian areas. Allahu akbar. bring on the stupid dhimmis!
Shit, now we have to keep an eye on Russian scientists too! Quit converting people, we don't have enough room at Gitmo for all you religious fanatics.
If someone can explain me why so people are converted to Islam? Why did they choose Islam? You say islam is a religion of horror, of war! Have you ever read the koran to have prejudices? What basis do you have for saying that? These people who claimed to be muslim and present a bad image of Islam? Have you got some verses in the Koran encouraging the horror in the world? So if you have one, don't hesitate to say it !?
Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Ok, but i notice you that we tell about a war and this war is declared by unbelievers( because we saw that muslims aren't allowed to attack before the ennemies's attack), So God say before killing them(because in a war they kill each other: it's the principle) try to convert them, if they don't accept, imprison them but release them if they give a ransom, If they can't give a ransom enslave them....
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them
No, in this verse, we cannot tell about the centrifugal force but about the daring... So Allah say don't kill people whom heart forbid them to make war on muslims but kill people who dare, who want to wage war on mulims... So it's logical, even if those persons (who don't want to wage war on muslims) are disbelievers don't kill them... But kill the other as it's a war...
"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty." 2:178
"And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. 2:193"
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)
Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease ( from persecution of believers ) that which is past will be forgiven them ; but if they return ( thereto ) then the example of the men of old hath already gone ( before them , for a warning ) And fight them until persecution is no more , and religion is all for Allah . But if they cease , then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do (8:38-39)
Allah is all powerfull, Allah sent the Qur'an which is the source of miracles, Some people believed at God but the other didn't believe and began to chase away who believed... So is God the trouble maker or humans? Yes of course, God can stop all that but if God do that, life, tests, goals no longer will exist! This life is just a little trip where God value us, and promise us the paradise (eternal place) if we wait to the tests...
Really? contradictions with what? Please, say me the truth, have you ever read it ? It's so easy to biased against something when you didn't look for enough.
Maybe you don't want to look for, but please in that case don't have prejudices....
Yes bro i know, so they aren't muslims... it's too simple. I find it's so stupid to consider himself or herself muslim if we don't practise properly islam...
Yes bro, i know, but if they don't practise islam properly, they aren't good muslims: it's logical. So it isn't a contradiction, if they don't want to practise properly islam, it's their problem... because they don't want i think..
Ok, so he was not an atheist by choice. Yeah, well the soviet russia had it's own religion, which was socialism, so any other religion was pretty much banned.
Btw, read bible as well, did not feel anything, other than fascination on how anyone can really think that bible was written by god.
Still, what kind of scientist Milan is or was? Nature or soft?
Bishop38f8 9 months ago
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l337pwnage 10 months ago
Let the world know that "a" scientist was threatened with hell so he converted to Islam
mythicalhell 10 months ago
And? Celebrating every convert? Ignoring apostates?
Are scientists better converts? Are scientists better Muslims?
Is every person with a Ph.D. automatically a scientist in the eyes of Muslims?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 A true muslim will never apostize thats bcoz islam is the only religion acceptable to God and the only religion that makes sense. Moreover, its not necessary that a scientist is a better muslim. And, yes anyone who has a phd in engineering science is considered rightly as a scientist. I know as i am a scientist myself. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
OK, then we have a lot less TRUE Muslims in this world.
:) Every god says that. Every religion claims that. Just like political parties.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that a scientist is someone who studies and researches within a branch of science. I came across this when researching Dr. K. Moore, whom I would definitely not call a scientist, but an author with a PhD.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 Dr. K. Moore for your kind info is associate dean of faculty of medicine at university of toronto. And, was the one who discovered the complete process of embryology. In other words he did huge research into that, in other words a true scientist. And, islam is infact the truth and perhaps u r right that there is a lack of true muslims in this world but that certainly doesnt mean that u should not be a true muslim yourself. So do RESEARCH before u speak. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
Are you sure you want to call yourself a scientist? Moore researched and discovered something? Do you have the paper? Where and what number?
FYI: Moore is retired and has had nothing to do with Islam for decades - by his own admittance.
Whether Islam is truth is up to your standard of truth. The factual and literal description of embryology at least is demonstrably false. But I see it as a metaphorical description, nothing more.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 God describes the process of fetus development in the womb, among other evidences, to guide mankind to the truth, because clearly 1400 years ago, in a desert, no body had a microscope to accurately describe the sperm cells since the microscope wasn't invented then until several centuries later. Also, my standard of truth is simply what anybody's standard of truth is: if there is undeniable evidence to a logic; i will follow that, now everybody has to agree with that. peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logi
Logic? Your god requires a microscope to accurately describe the process he created? Why copy the knowledge of the 7th century?
Now either it was humans who did not have a microscope at their disposal and thus described it using the vague words we know, or we have a god who does not see it fit to use the 4 fundamental terms required for human reproduction: spermatozoon, ovum, fertilisation and zygote. Those words are not used in any Islamic texts. You can't have it both ways.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 lol you and i both know these words were not coined until zygotes and spermatozoon were discovered. Once you discover something only then can you name it - logic. Now, if these words were used, people of that era would not understand it and people of this era would also not understand it because we would probably have a different name for it. And, if you want this era & that era to realize that this verse is true then u have to use words which are vague yet accurate:God's words.
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
So why did Allah leave it to the infidels to coin those words? He created them did he not?
Again: logic.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 God all-mighty does what ever he wishes. And, yes everyone was created by Allah, including you and me. What you need to do, is realize that God is infact the one who gives us our souls and takes it away whenever he wishes. This life is only a test and if you are righteous (a true muslim) and do your obligations to your fellow creatures and associate non with God, you shall be successful in the afterlife. Or else....well let me not go into that. Peace! =)
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
No, wrong. According to Islam, Allah created humans to worship him. Without humans, no worship. So Allah needs humans more than humans need Allah.
We have no knowledge of any afterlife. It's just fear from ancient times. Fear and threats run through all religions. Look what it does to you!
Stop preaching and get back to the point: how does the Universe require a creator?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
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@StopSpamming1 haha. No you are clearly wrong, God doesn't need our worship we need to worship God, since we are nothing without God. And, if u think there is no evidence for after life, then do u seriously then that one fighting for God is killed by a bullet and if hitler kills himself by a similar bullet, then where is justice. Surely the here after is there to punish those who do evil and corruption while heaven is a reward for those who have firm belief and do righteous deeds. continued....
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 And, you have no idea how better i have become once i have become a muslim. Its like not being puzzled anymore over life and having a direction in life. Its like going from darkness into light, like becoming alive after being dead. This is what a true religion feels like. No more lies just the plain truth. And, universe does need to have a creator because the big bang, which is mentioned in the quran, was an explosion and NO explosion brings stability from chaos unless contd......
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
Good for you!
That's the same thing people say about Scientology.
OK, now you have disqualified yourself from any serious discussion:
#1: no Big Bang Model is mentioned in the Koran. Cloved asunder means anything and nothing. It's plain stupidity by Bucaille, Al Zindani and parrots like Naik and Yahya.
#2: there was NEVER an explosion.
#3: old and long refute arguments.
Good bye.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 #1 Clove asunder means to cut/break away by a huge force and that is EXACTLY what the big-bang model is all about - an explosion of a humungous magnitude. And the ones who say the truth u call them stupid and parrots how disgusting. #2 Big bang is no more a debate its a fact so dont lie! #3 well u r the one who started it.
May God guide u to the truth, ameen. But u too have to search for it with tolerance and patience. Take care. Remain in contact. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 unless an external factor is involved. So how can u even think that this huge universe came into perfect harmony without some one controlling it. How can u even imagine that ur soul had no creator. And, even medical science agrees that a soul certainly does exist. So dont fool ur own self into thinking there is no God, since there certainly is one and only one God. (Allah is just the arabic/herbew word for God which are much older languages than the english language) Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 and no its not my God, its our God. One God created everyone. And, no. God definitely doesn't need microscope it is only to prove the point that people who debate on how the Quran is infact like all the previous revelations from God to the previous prophets is divine so is the quran. And, mind it, islam is the final religion for all of mankind, its not limited to arabs or non-arabs, or american or indian or german or black or white or male or female rather it is for every1. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
For someone who claims to be a scientist you demonstrate a painful lack of scientific approach, thinking and logic.
No, your god is only your god, as he or she or it is imaginary and non-existent in the real world. It is equally obvious that the Koran was written by humans to serve only one person: Muhammad. Who misunderstood a lot of things and had no concept of scientific knowledge.
Stop preaching and get back to the point: how does the Universe require a creator?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
I was so disgusted the instant he said 'The universe is so perfectly made.'
So disgusted that I couldn't watch the rest of it.
misterblackdark 1 year ago 2
@misterblackdark The universe is perfect. Dont u c, how the stars and moons and planets and glaxies all follow their choosen orbits. Dont u c, how from the big-bang (explosion) came an order?
dont u get it? if u dont then i suggest u remain patient, open ur heart and brain to the truth, no offence. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic,
I can't take this dose of stupidity of yours.
Please, keep it to yourself.
misterblackdark 1 year ago
@misterblackdark haha u think this is stupidity???!! DONT U GET IT, HOW AFTER THE BIG-BANG, MENTIONED IN QURAN , AN EXPLOSION, HOW ORDER CAME ABOUT. MANKIND HAS SEEN NO EXPLOSION BY WHICH ORDER COMES AND NOT CHAOS OR DESTRUCTION. SURELY SOME1 MUST HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF THIS ORDER, AND WHO ELSE BUT GOD, THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING. GOD IS ALL-KNOWING, ALL-HEARING, ALL-SEEING, ALL-MERCIFUL, ALL-POWERFUL AND HE DOES WHATEVER HE WILLS AND NO1 CAN DENY THAT. HOPE U REALIZE ISLAM IS THE TRUTH. PEACE!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic Irrespective that the Big Bang was an expansion of Space and Time and not and explosion in space. I will show there is indeed order and and new forms made in explosions. We observe complex chemical reactions, new compounds produced, and the release of energy in many forms. Nothing is destroyed or lost, it only changes form. It can form orderly structures such as a wonderfully symmetrical creator in the ground. And debris settling out according to mass in relation to distance.
Core5 1 year ago
@Core5 the big bang proves that the universe never existed before time began. That it was infact CREATED. But if u say created by no one then that is really a joke and u r being illogical. But if u say that the universe was created by a creator that does make sense because even in science there are indeed causes for everything. Nothing happens just like that with out any reason. So be REASONable and RESEARCH into the message of islam. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
Erm, not quite. The Big Bang Model only starts just after the expansion without looking at the time before it, as that is nonsensical. It was an event without the need for a creation as nothing was created.
Arguing that a creator created the Universe makes as much sense as saying radioactive decay was created. You are the typical person who argues for the god of the gaps. What if we DO find more evidence for pops in quantum physics? For no reason and without creator?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 well i m sure that quantum physics will never be completely be able to deny God that is simply because this huge universe which is trillions of light years in diameter could NEVER have come into existence just by chance. That is just like saying that the world's advanced space shuttle came into existence by magic. Now THAT is illogical. Peace! =)
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
Quantum physics has nothing to do with any god. I just used it as an example for uncaused events. And to deny a god would mean first having to prove one exists.
Oh, so just because you don't understand cosmogony automatically means a god did it? By chance? Are you serious? Maybe I overestimated you initially.
Please don't insult my intelligence with examples like the shuttle. Next you'll be bringing up the watch or the 747.
You are the one claiming magic, not me.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1 haha you think that you are so smart.... sorry no offence, but, the most wise man considers himself the most uneducated due to all the ocean of knowledge left before him. You see, if you think that the quran is not the truth just because a verse says it is, then go on and continue reading it within context and see if that it is the truth. Islam is not at all a new religion, the message it preached was by all the previous prophets of God, which is to worship the one true creator...
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic
Erm, you described yourself as a scientist, I did not make that claim for myself.
Ah, now we are down to the poor argument of context. Next will be the language and the translation.
It seems you are just another wannabe. Pity.
What in Islam is applicable to the 21st century? What in the Koran is true? All fables and stories all the way to the Sumerians claim creation. Except that the Epic of Gilgamesh does a better job than the Koran.
Open your eyes as wide as your mouth.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@engineering4logic You claim that the Universe can't come from nothing. Then you should apply the same Logic to explain your god's origin.
It is wrong to say the Universe came from nothing. More accurately, there was nothing before the Universe, because there was no such thing as 'before'. basically The Universe 'was' @ Time=0. We are in a self contained bubble, All of the energy in the universe is Gravitational potential energy, caused by points of space expanding during inflation. Net Energy=0
Core5 1 year ago
@Core5 well clearly as you said, the chain has to stop, but doesnt it make more sense that you stop once you realize that there is a creator because if you stop at the end of the chain where you claim (falsely, no offence) that the universe is the creator, when clearly the universe is a creation. Also, of the 99 names for God there is 1 word that God uses to describe himself which suites this question: that God is the first. NO BODY was before he existed. Clearly that makes more sense. Peace!
engineering4logic 1 year ago
@engineering4logic Let me explain virtual particles.
In quantum physics, many particles, with various masses can pop in and out of existence. They are literally created out of nothing, exist, and return to nothing. So nothing created nothing, but for a short time there was something. This doesn't violate any thermodynamic laws, because the net energy in the universe remains a constant. The Universe as a whole may be the much the same.
Continued:...
Core5 1 year ago
@engineering4logic , The Universe contains a finite amount of energy. During inflation points in space were separated, creating gravitational potential form of negative energy. That void was filled with an equal amount of positive energy.
Since the sum of Positive Energy and Negative Gravitational Potential Energy equal 0. It can be argued by an outside observer that nothing was created from nothing. And nothing requires no creator. So why is nothing, something? It just hasn't canceled out yet.
Core5 1 year ago
@Core5 It is true that net energy remains constant. But, we all can see how time and again the fundamental known laws of physics keep on changing when applied over the entire scale of the universe. But, it definitely seems logical to say that something created a creation rather than the creation springing into life just out of chance. That is because, an explosion can never sustain life/maintain itself unless having an external controller involved - God. Peace! =)
engineering4logic 1 year ago
Great scientific method he used. I would double-check whatever science this guy does.
leche234 3 years ago 2
That motivation "The universe is so perfect that the only explanation is that there is a god" has a name:
Lazyness.
He's a lousy "scientific" who is to lazy to keep investigating the intricacies of our universe.
gparkash 4 years ago
laziness
new1islam 4 years ago
Also, what's this with birth rates? It's just another way to spread your culture and beliefs. Why would you discount it?
Empires91 4 years ago
My point is atheism is on a decline as all other faiths are on a rise.
Empires91 4 years ago
I am afraid that is incorrect.
R055HP 4 years ago
Besides Europe, it is correct. China is getting more Christian, Africa is getting more Muslims and Christians, South America is just switching from Catholicism to Protestantism. America is getting more religious even if it's government is starting to get more secular (Civil war, hint hint)
So yea, that's the way it be.
Empires91 4 years ago 2
All i can say is most religions are on the increase. Something is happening to these people that they change from nonreligious to religious. For me it was various things, but for all the rest of these people, something is happening to them.
Empires91 4 years ago
And atheism is on a percentage increase. MORE of the world's population is atheist than ever before. The only reason religions are on the increase is because of accelerated birth raes in poorer countries.
R055HP 4 years ago
Atheism is only on a rise in Europe. That's really it. Maybe Northern Asia, but to that extent only. Islam is the fastest growing rate, Christianity second, I think. And I'm probably wrong on this, but Buddhism is 3rd.
Empires91 4 years ago
alishba01
First, there is no CONCLUSIVE evidence. Secondly, who created the creator?
Most scientists are atheists and aren't scientists the ones who are meant to explain the universe.
If the creator needs no creator you say, is it not more likely the universe needs no creator?
R055HP 4 years ago
The quantum world level. Meaning that the their is no time here. How exactly can something be forever and never at the same time? You refuse to see all the proofs. For instance, how can a photon know where to go, and quantum tunnel if there is something blocking that way it is going? Everything in the Multiverse has inteligience, and God is it's source. All things here are limited by time, but all things out of the universe, in the quantum level is free to do as it pleases.
Empires91 4 years ago
Our brains are incapable of understanding quantum behaviour. And time is NOT a limit! And where did your 'multiverse intelligence' come from? If it is limited to time then where did it come from, what caused it?
R055HP 4 years ago
My intelligence came from my reading of science books and listening to their speeches.
How can you believe that there is no time and no God? Then when we die, it's all over? then why live? For me, life is a game for lesson learning.
Empires91 4 years ago
Time may noly exist in this Universe. And yes when we die it is all over. We are made of the same material as inanimate objects. In the scientific view we are chemical reactions that have become incredibly complex. We are nothing more. And we live because we are part of the endless chain that is life.
R055HP 4 years ago
Then why live? To just better your species and make little clones? It makes Life sound like some virus of the universe.
Empires91 4 years ago
That is just the way it is I am afraid. How you FEEL is completely irrelevant and provides no evidence whatsoever. And why should we be any grander than a virus? Physically speaking there is not a vast difference.
R055HP 4 years ago
Let's see, we can alter the Earth, we can think, we can feel, and we can do shit loads more then a stupid virus can. Whoever did it- God, Jebus, aliens, flyings Spagetii Monster- We turned out completely different. Long ago, something told us to Leave Africa and Create.
Empires91 4 years ago
You exaggerate our ability. We still follow our natural lifecycle, we still uise our instinct, society is only a small construction.
And we most likely left Africa because of the arid conditions, not God, Jebus, aliens, flyings Spagetii Monster. We did not turn out completely different. Evolution favoured intelligence and tool making and that is exactly what happened.
R055HP 4 years ago
Actually, under that argument, then why did we KEEP leaving. Egypt was fine, the Tigris and Euphrates were fine, why keep moving?
Also, I'm not overstating it. Our animal parts are being lessens every year. Our minds depend more on machine then animal now. Pretty soon all we will be is a brain on a robot.
Empires91 4 years ago
It is not impossible but religions are scientifically unlikely. Atheism is technically the most scientifically probable. My point is how can you debate religion when you have no evidence to go on?
R055HP 4 years ago
afcourse there are evidence containing real facts! everyone is not blind! people do have brainzzzz....and the one which has wisdom! finds his or her way to the truth! i dont understand how a person can believe that there is no god! how can it be possible that this universe came into existance without any creator! ask urself this question! because humans are never perfect and there might be a possibility that u r at a wrong track!
alishba01 4 years ago
Wisdom is more of an opinion. Science is based on evidence alone. And my point is you are most likely on the 'wrong track'.
R055HP 4 years ago
well, you know, all those ghosts, angel stories, after death moments, etc from over millions of people MSUT be all lies.
Empires91 4 years ago
Life itself is a simulation built by the brain, so it is not sound. And why should I believe 'after death momnets' when they come from people whose brains are starved of oxygen? There are an overwhelming number of scientific and psychological for these phenomonon.
R055HP 4 years ago
And 'after death moment' happens when you are nearly dying! Who knows what is going on inside of the brain at that moment?
R055HP 4 years ago
Well, it's clunks of cells and nerves. besides buzzes of electricity, I'm not sure anything odd will be going on.
And not to mention the non-death ones. Like when you can see your own self on a surgery.
Empires91 4 years ago
That is because you normally know you are going for surgery. And the 'clunks of cells and nerves' is one of the most incredible structures in the universe, we barely understand it anyway. It is YOU! Consciousness is a physical phenomonon. If you cannot appreciate the power of the brain then you are in no position to dicuss these things.
R055HP 4 years ago
What's so complex? they have med videos of doctors electrocuting parts of the speech section and the mouth saying what was electrocuted. It's a freaking organic computer. Nothing but the brain's equivalently of 1s and 0s.
And I'm talking about the people who were knocked stone cold out an heard the conversations of people in the next room.
Empires91 4 years ago
Or so it is said. There are things in this universe that are stranger than any god. Just because we do not understand it does not mean magic is involved. And you are incredibly stupid to claim that speech is simple, that the brain is a mere computer!
R055HP 4 years ago
Yep, just an organic computer with 1s and 0s for the brain. Anywho. There's also the working theory-becoming-fact of the multiverse. One working theory is that a time traveler who altered the past would create a new universe rather then an altered original. So tell me. How does the universe recognize that something within it has changed and that it must split like a cell into two identical, but different, universes? I thought that there was no supreme thing in the universe making decisions.
Empires91 4 years ago
Firstly, the brain is the most complex known structure in the Universe. Secondly, the multiverse theory is based on quantum events, particles etc, not human experiences.
R055HP 4 years ago
Yea, and what I'm saying is how does a universe know to split when altered? How does it know that every single second, for every single possibility, it must create a clone of itself with those infinite possibilities running in action. How does it know?
Empires91 4 years ago
IT DOES NOT KNOW, it splits BECAUSE a quantum event has occurred! It causes the Universe to split.
R055HP 4 years ago
Everything has a drive. something backing it. Acceleration due to gravity, speeding objects have momentum, etc. What is driving the multiverse from the outside to allow it? The multiverse is a place with every possible scenario put into play. Why is there nothing with the same scenario put into play? What sorts them and not allow cloned universes. Every one if different, unlike the last. What makes it so?
Empires91 4 years ago
It is a matter of quantum physics- Look up Schrodinger's Cat experiment.
R055HP 4 years ago
Yea I know. It don't matter though. There is a major question into how universes filter themselves so they only split for every possible situation, never clones. It just simply goes on for ever. For me, this complex system is enough to say something is beyond. It's like saying we're alone in the universe. To actually think that way is ignorant.
Empires91 4 years ago
We are unlikely to be alone in the Universe, but there is a difference between aliens and magical gods.
R055HP 4 years ago
It is not the Universe recognises it, it happens because the quantum event MAKES it split. Its like saying how does the tree know to fall when hit by an axe.
R055HP 4 years ago
You don't get it at all. What is the maker of this system? Did it all just one day decide to go that way? It's been there for ever. Anything that's forever is also from something. That's what makes it so. it is infinity within time. A paradox on its own, but that's the way it be.
Empires91 4 years ago
A sytem needs no maker. Like evolution for life, the sytem makes the being capable design.
R055HP 4 years ago
Why do you assume a system has a creator. And no one said it has been there for ever. And it is simpler to say it came from nothing than to say God did it and never think of its origins. Plus, what imperical evidence of a designer do you have?
R055HP 4 years ago
I assume a creator because it's an external source. Life began here in the little molecular stages. Weather God made it or not I care little of. I tend to believe in seeding from other worlds. And all that life came from some original source. The multiverse is EXTERNAL. Therefore an external force is needed. I've also seen people die and seen evidence they were still interacting with the world afterwards. So I have my proof. You'd call me crazy, but I have my proof all the same.
Empires91 4 years ago
Your PERSONAL PROOF is completely irrelevant to the world, completely based on emotions and totally subjective. So you should NEVER expect anyone to take it seriously.
R055HP 4 years ago
Exactly. But it's that very thing that will make religion win. Because religious people have personal experiences to make them believe. Atheists just regurgitate what they've been told.
Empires91 4 years ago
By there being atheists it shows we can take off the shackles of religion. The main reason religion survives because of childhood indoctrination, one of the world's greatest evils.
R055HP 4 years ago
Think what you want. Your only 10% or less of the world. Seems to me religion is on the rise. meaning some atheists must be seeing something differently. For instance, the scientist on this video.
Empires91 4 years ago
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R055HP 4 years ago
If you think that the tons of Eastern Europeans and middle easterners will not force their religion on you, be my guest. It's what's going on in the US. Russians and Mexicans are flooding in, bringing with them their beliefs and culture. The Irish had the same effect 100 years ago I think. Such is the cycle of nations like that. You just screwed your own pursuit to eliminate religion by allowing the immigrants in. I personally welcome them and their cultural attachments to the US.
Empires91 4 years ago
Because no two events are the same. And we know too little on the subiect to postulate. Though, religions know NOTHING on the subject!
R055HP 4 years ago
Actually, it is the Bible and I think even the Quran that talk about the different levels of creation. Or universe. And ascending or descending though them. God is the highest and hell, if it even exists (which I doubt), is the lowest.
Empires91 4 years ago
This is a contradiction. Through your argument I could conclude that because humans can create fictional universes, then God can create a real universe.
R055HP 4 years ago
I have no Idea how this has anything to do with What I said.
Empires91 4 years ago
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I heard he was recently the guest speaker at the young pedophiles and small animal lovers forum. The inspiring speech stated the virtues of molesting small animals and children as practiced by moohamed and written in the kornan. After the forum the crowd of muslims participated in a mass small animal orgy. Allah Akbar.
cairsuckit2 4 years ago
Does anyone know his full name and what his field of expertise is?
Zulfiqar32 4 years ago
Thanks, I searched for FreeThinking and I ended up with this video. I hate when people seek viewer attention by adding in hundreds of religious related key words. What do the words "Greek", "Jesus" and "Animals" have to do with this?! And "United States of Australia" was an offensive thing to put in here, a lot of Australian's (Not so much me) dislike America.
Jaylawtheman 4 years ago
Mohhamed had 11 wives.
His youngest wife was an 11 yrs old kid. They had sex when she was 14. He will be arrested by now.
stormguy110 4 years ago
EU country Spain, the age of sexual consent 13!
bb21qq 4 years ago
error. AISHA WAS 9 YR OLD BABY WITH HER DOLLS(read quran) WHEN SHE MARRIED MUHAMMED.Imagine your sister having sex with an OLD OLD MAN.
More about AISHA: when mohammed and her father were sitting, she was playing and Mohammed said that he want to marry her when she grows..... That's very nasty
About spain allowing sex at age 13, I think that is ridiclous. Because, kids at that age lack the life experience to fully understand the ramifications of engaging in sexual acts.
stormguy110 4 years ago
Biblical Moses and his men raped girls under half of the age of Aisha. Read NUMBERS 31:7-18 ''...And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for your selves every girl who has not slept with a man.'' These little girls were forced by Moses and his men. Muhammad was handed his wife by her parents consent. Thats a big difference. You can't apply your present outlook on the people who lived 1400 years ago! Amazing.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Let me be clear, I'm not a christian(I don't subscribe to any dieties). But i do think that jesus is a nice character than mohammed. I also think the 'mecca mohammed' is better than the 'medina mohhamed'.
bb21qq : "You can't apply your present outlook on the people who lived 1400 years ago!"
As a 'prophet', isn't mohammed supposed to know which one is wrong and right.
stormguy110 4 years ago
The onset of menstruation, occurs between the ages of 9 and 16. Please have that checked up by your GP. People during those days did not live as long as we do today. It would make sense to start life early. Nature makes some girls reproductive at the age of 9 to 16. Ask the Christians who commanded Moses to rape the female kids, they will tell you, Jesus was the chief and commander of the OT. I can tell you are very ignorant about the life of Muhammad. Study the great man, as I have.
bb21qq 4 years ago
-Menstruation begins two years after puberty. And puberty starts around the age of ten. Duration of puberty in girls lasts for about five years. That is the time they are ready to bring babies.
-about ppl at those days dying early; Mohammed died at the age of 68 of sickness. Most of his wives were not that young at their marriage...
-as i told you hundred times, i'm not a christian. I don't read any claimed 'holy books' hundred times. I choose to read science books.
stormguy110 4 years ago
You dont have a clue! ask your GP, he may be able to help you in your self made problem. Some girls begin their first period in between the age of 9 to 16. Did you know Aisha was already engaged to be married to someone else? doesn't that tell you it was the custom of that time to marry early? Dont be ignorant, study the great man, Muhammad.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Let me clear this. Girls start puberty(~10yrs) and then menstrual bleeding comes after 2yrs.
I do know that underage marriage was popular at that time. Even today there are many tribes who practice it, making many girls to die when they are young.
I don't find any great thing about mohammed. You are deluded enough to NOT see the work of great minds before & after him.
About me having 'no clue', 'ignorant'... Who do you think you are? What do you do? Do you go to school?...
stormguy110 4 years ago
You'll find me at this place: Known as ''stany'' at bismikaallahumaDOT ORG. Come there and we can debate about anything you like. I will prove to you that the Quran is a divine revelation. Come into the forum. See you there?
bb21qq 4 years ago
You have not answered the fact that Aisha was already engaged to someone else before Muhammad, were you aware? You have not blamed the parents of Aisha who willingly gave their daughters hand to the Prophet. Aisha became a scholar of Islam after Muhammad expired. She had no complaints whatsoever. She has only love for the Prophet. Aisha was the only virgin the Prophet married.
bb21qq 4 years ago
I was 'aware' that she was engaged by her parents before Muhammed. Sadly, even today many cultures in 3rd world countries engage their children before even they were born. Since those kinds of acts was already practiced by the elders, it's widely accepted by the people. So, i'm not surprised if the people were to follow their culture.
Also, i would really appreciate if you were to reply in order of the time it was posted.
stormguy110 4 years ago
You said, ''Also, i would really appreciate if you were to reply in order of the time it was posted. '' Can you explain what you mean by that. Please clarify?
bb21qq 4 years ago
About order: If you poseted something today, i'll post something behind it, viceversa.
Again, the arguments that i heard for the defense of aisha's marrige to muhammed are ridiclous. I'm not surprised because religous ppl would say/do anything to protect their prophets.
stormguy110 4 years ago
The parents of Aisha would not have done anything to their daughter if they believed it was harmful for her. Infact they knew when she was ready! You'll never here any complaints about her parents. That tells me people want to attack the Prophet only. I'll debate with you on anything about Islam at: bismikaallahumaDOTORG.
bb21qq 4 years ago
I think I already explained about Aishas parents decision in my previous replies.
Again, I heard muslims arguments saying that she was very mature at that time, some say it was her parents decision, even some saying that she couln't be 9 at that time..... I found those arguments to be ridiclous. It is really stupid for some muslim countries to allow for girls to marry at a very young age. This is one of the examples muhhamed left.
stormguy110 4 years ago
Did you read about that 10 year old girl who was raped? the judge in that case said he could see how the man who raped her thought she was older then 10. Infact, she looked like she was 16. Would you not agree having sexual intercourse at a young age is a tradition of the OT? NUMBERS 31:7-18. Would you not agree that its worse to have sexual intercourse with girls less then half of the age of Aisha, by the Jews?
bb21qq 4 years ago
I don't know where you going with it.
Let me just trying to straight things out. Do you think it is a good tradition for any culture that allows girls to marry and have sex/babies at a very young age?
I think you know what my stance regarding to the marriage of young girls, wether it was HISTORIC Jews doing it or anyone for that matter.
stormguy110 4 years ago
I believe as humans when a girl starts her period then by nature she is capable of reproduction. I can't argue with nature, can you? Many non-muslim cultures get married at a very young age, Indian Hindus. Even some European Christians. Each country has its own laws regarding the age of sexual consent. The country I live in, i'll respect its laws regarding the age of sexual consent. Its 16 in the UK. Its 13 in Spain. I think its 18 in USA. We cannot dictate whats right for other countries.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Let me just clear this: Do you know how many years puberty lasts? Do you know the stages of puberty...?I think i gave a little explanation about it in our conversation before., so check it out..
About some countries/ old cultures allowing sex: at least the people in those countries use some kind of protection thesedays. There is also different age requirments for sexual consent and marriage.
I do respect the decision of any culture, but I can JUDGE if their tradition is good or not.
stormguy110 4 years ago
You've avoided the main questions: Is raping girls less then half the age of Aisha, ok? Muhammad is a messenger of God which includes the biblical God. But Muhammad did not rape any girl, he gave Aisha honour. Aisha was the best learner about the sirah of her husband Muhammad. She taught us everything about Muhammad. The other wifes could not remember things like Aisha.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Of coursse not, I strongly oppose any kind of sex/marriage with a kid.
In one ur replies, you said that if a girl STARTS her puberty, she is ready to ready for sex, reproduction, marriage.... Are you kidding me. You must be an alien, i'm guessing that's how it works in ur planet. You told me to my GP, I recommend you to check ur GP.
About societies view on marriage/sex between muhammaed and aisha, i think i already answered that before.
stormguy110 4 years ago
You are misrepresenting me. I didn't say a girl is ready at puberty. I said when a girl starts her monthly period she is then ready to reproduce. If you disagree with that then you've got a big fight with mother nature. Its a battle lost without even starting. Aisha's marriage was consummated after her first period.
bb21qq 4 years ago
'Aisha's marriage was consummated after her first period'
Do you know it takes up to 2 years from First period for a girl's body to develop a regular menstrual cycle.
After the first period, it takes several months for ovulation to occur. NOTE:-I'm not saying they couln't fertlize at that time. They could even fertlize at their first period. At that their bodies is not READY.
I think you've to be blind enough not to see the side effects of girls having babies at that age,
stormguy110 4 years ago
In the will of God all children of Aisha didn't have any defects. In fact they become great people in thier time. So, what your saying is individualistic and as i've said it's the will of God to make you able or provide you of something.
stargate1111 4 years ago
in any point of view Prophet Mohammed (SAW) marriage to Aisha is in no way inappropriate. the marrying period that is in your norm is not a Gods'law...it's man made. based on the reasoning of human being. I believed that you can't find in any religious scripture prohibiting the teenager, like Aishas' age, to get married; to marry someone far older than her age.
stargate1111 4 years ago
the Amazon people walk around with their privates hanging out infront of their childrens. To many people especially westerners it is not acceptable to walk around naked. Fot the Amazon people its normal. What is your criterion in judging whos right and whos wrong? It's a simple question which needs a simple answer! Peace.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Now you brought a cheap argument. Becasue walking naked doesn't do harm than having a baby at very young age. Many young girls in countries like nigeria, afganistan and other traditional muslim countries loose their lives to have a baby.
==For ur second question about my criterion: my answer would be something that is good for our survival. I think if you understand evolution, then it won't be that hard to understand that concept.
stormguy110 4 years ago
Would you like to see your mother and sister or daughter walking around naked infront of you? If not, why not? I was born to my mother while she was 13. Many girls younger then 13 have babys under that age. I know one girl 10 yrs old who had a baby, and she's a christian. More and more young girls are having kids here in the uk. Without any probs. Your argument fails.
bb21qq 4 years ago
- I rather see someone naked that someone dying because they are having babies at younger age. There is a difference between good and bad tradition! bb21qq:- "More and more young girls are having kids here in the uk. Without any probs. Your argument fails." - I can't believe you said that. PLEASE: go to google,yahoo... and do more deep study on 'TEEN PREGNANCY'.
stormguy110 4 years ago
The Hindus practice marriage at a young age. So, do some european christians. You main problem is the age. Do you know how old the youngest girl in history was to give birth? Google this; ''History's Youngest Mother'' You'll be shocked. It will help you to know how mother nature works. It seems to me that you've been visiting Ali sinner's den! way too often. Come and debate with me? Only 500 letters are allowed in this reply. Way too short.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Have you ever heard of website called wikipedia(dot)org. Search for "TEEN PREGNANCY"......... and study it's effects, then talk to me, alright.
stormguy110 4 years ago
why youré making the marriage of the Prophet(SAW) to Aisha a big deal. Ok, you don't believe in Islam...(i'm not saying this because i have doubt with my faith) but what if it's the true religion and yours is not? my point is u have already said enough; besides at the end of the day we all stand in the day of judgement. if ur a Christian or jew u believe in that. so, why don't we just interchange each others goodluck and be happy for each other. peace bro
stargate1111 4 years ago
it's not your judgement call bro, cause you're not God that can tell all the time what's right/wrong. what then is your argument why God created the female to have their menarchy at age 13 or sometimes at age 9?
stargate1111 4 years ago
i'm aware that it's risky to get pregnant at an early age but if you belief in God you could not have thought of any risk. Because everything is from God, if He likes one to live He will give life. Take note also, though, there are many young mothers developed complications with their pregnancy there are many who survived too, and delivered healthy baby.
stargate1111 4 years ago
well i did see ur reply! n i guesss u urself dont actually know the truth prophet muhammad married aisha knowing that she is 9 years old! because at that time this was the most common age to get married.AISHA started getting proposals when she was 6.n then she married at the age of 9..which was very normal at that time!
alishba01 4 years ago
Just imagine Jesus the chief and commander of the OT ordering Moses and his men to rape three year olds?(Numbers 31:7-18). That is the sickest thing I've ever come across in any so called holy book! Muhammad according to the traditions of that time was handed his wife(Aisha) by her willing parents. You say ''imagine your sister.'' I say, ''Aisha was handed over by her parents.'' I respect her parents decision.
bb21qq 4 years ago
Since mohhamed claimed to be a 'prophet', isn't he supposed to know which one is right and wrong? Do you think that having sex with a little girl with her dolls is a right thig to do?
stormguy110 4 years ago
Subanallah, mashallah allahu akbar. Now we have an islamic scientist!! wow. hehehe stupid dhimmi, lets convert more of these stupid non-thinking insecure individuals for further operations in civilian areas. Allahu akbar. bring on the stupid dhimmis!
Saracenkiller 4 years ago
Shit, now we have to keep an eye on Russian scientists too! Quit converting people, we don't have enough room at Gitmo for all you religious fanatics.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
Subhan'allah may Allah swt guide all man kind to the right path Allahuakbar!
ann298 4 years ago
_ ALLAH HU AKBAR!!! well thats what they say before and after someone gets blown up
RIPOFF65 5 years ago
@ RIPOFF65
No doubt, and if they keep it up long enough the west, will say enough is enough...Then we will be saying ARES HU AKBAR!!! and THOR HU AKBAR!!!
Aegialeus 4 years ago
THE TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL inshAllah.
fatzahra 5 years ago
scientists know that there is no proof for fairies, ghosts, allah, god, elves, or little green men.
Believing in a religion is pointless.
ukidding 5 years ago
TAKBIR ____ ALLAH HU AKBAR!!!
nahyank 5 years ago
Allahu Akbar
solidsnake1447 5 years ago
Possibly first man from former Czechoslovakia (you should study geography) who reverts to Islam. :)
Shame on you Milan.
PolarisCZ 5 years ago
If someone can explain me why so people are converted to Islam? Why did they choose Islam? You say islam is a religion of horror, of war! Have you ever read the koran to have prejudices? What basis do you have for saying that? These people who claimed to be muslim and present a bad image of Islam? Have you got some verses in the Koran encouraging the horror in the world? So if you have one, don't hesitate to say it !?
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
for one thing jihad
Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
kau1986 5 years ago
Just one question, why did you write just one part of the verse? You modify the sense! So i would like to correct you:
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
dude i dont mean any disrespect
but these are the stuff the fundementalists take for their case
kau1986 5 years ago
Yes that's alright, so you are conscious of that the kur'an don't command the violence? aren't you?
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
well not killing people who convert and killing those who dont is pretty violent
at least imprison them
kau1986 4 years ago
Ok, but i notice you that we tell about a war and this war is declared by unbelievers( because we saw that muslims aren't allowed to attack before the ennemies's attack), So God say before killing them(because in a war they kill each other: it's the principle) try to convert them, if they don't accept, imprison them but release them if they give a ransom, If they can't give a ransom enslave them....
So these are a kind of last chance...
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
so is enslavement ok?
also
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them
kau1986 4 years ago
Ok, but why don't you read the following verse?
"4:90"
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
ok see if i got it right
not good to kill people who are refugees in your friends' place
or people who do not wish to wage war on you or their people for allah would have given them power over u
if they are far away from u do not kill them
does this mean do not kill weaker people who are non believers but ok to kill stronger ones
please correct me if i am wrong
kau1986 4 years ago
No, in this verse, we cannot tell about the centrifugal force but about the daring... So Allah say don't kill people whom heart forbid them to make war on muslims but kill people who dare, who want to wage war on mulims... So it's logical, even if those persons (who don't want to wage war on muslims) are disbelievers don't kill them... But kill the other as it's a war...
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty." 2:178
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." 2:190
So we can understand in this verse muslims aren't allowed to attack without the attack of ennemies
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
"And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. 2:193"
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)
kau1986 5 years ago
Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease ( from persecution of believers ) that which is past will be forgiven them ; but if they return ( thereto ) then the example of the men of old hath already gone ( before them , for a warning ) And fight them until persecution is no more , and religion is all for Allah . But if they cease , then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do (8:38-39)
IslamTheOnlyWay 5 years ago
the quran says allah is merciful
then y deosn't he let them be or at least try to stop the persecution himself since he is all powerful
kau1986 4 years ago
Allah is all powerfull, Allah sent the Qur'an which is the source of miracles, Some people believed at God but the other didn't believe and began to chase away who believed... So is God the trouble maker or humans? Yes of course, God can stop all that but if God do that, life, tests, goals no longer will exist! This life is just a little trip where God value us, and promise us the paradise (eternal place) if we wait to the tests...
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
what do you mean "its a source of miracles"
for one thing its full of contradictions
kau1986 4 years ago
Really? contradictions with what? Please, say me the truth, have you ever read it ? It's so easy to biased against something when you didn't look for enough.
Maybe you don't want to look for, but please in that case don't have prejudices....
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
dude no prejudices coz abt 1/2 of my friends are islamic
they do not practice all of the laws coz most of them drink alcohol and do other stuff, yet they consider themselves islamic
kau1986 4 years ago
Yes bro i know, so they aren't muslims... it's too simple. I find it's so stupid to consider himself or herself muslim if we don't practise properly islam...
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago
Yes bro, i know, but if they don't practise islam properly, they aren't good muslims: it's logical. So it isn't a contradiction, if they don't want to practise properly islam, it's their problem... because they don't want i think..
IslamTheOnlyWay 4 years ago