It's quite obvious to us all, by now, as to what "Redhellmet" refers to. EVERY Doctor is different, they all have a different perspective on EVERYTHING. Each Doctor from Eccleston on has been through the TIME-WAR. One cannot expect him to be so... restrained as he WOULD have been before. Nor should he be. In MY opinion.
I think it's sad that you can't post anything positive about Tennant's Doctor without being shat on by Matt fans. What's wrong? Can't stand it that Tennant was a GREAT Doctor? Grow up. Just because you think Matt is the best doesn't mean everyone does. Tennant's Doctor gave us depth. Matt's gave us Mork from Ork. And a love affair with a woman old enough to be his grandmother.
@Timelord6661 Actually David Did Have Consistencies, As 9, As Matt As With David. Don't Forget They Are Meant To Be The Same Person Yet Different. David Was That. Matt Reminds Me Of The First Doctor.
@delenarocks101 All the nu-dr.'s are much too similar to one another to be compared to any of the original Dr.'s. It turns out in the end that the nu-doctors aren't actually the Dr., but are actually just some weirdo with an identity complex.
@Redhellmet I partly agree with you, but David was more an energetic school boy and Matt is just weird (in a cool way). Although very similar slightly different. I think the next doctor should be so egotistical and think down on humans, like the 6. It would create a different atmosphere :D
You know how he always says : "Allons-y". Well, when he has 'dieing' he should have said: "Au revoir"
Why is anyone sad anyway? The 11th is exactly like the 10th and 9th he just looks different. It's not like the changes of any of the original Doctors, which were significantly more dramatically different.
@LegoDaleks: You've... not been paying much attention then have you? The 11th Doctor is quite different, and the 10th is quite different to the 9th. The 10th was more gregarious and sociable than the 9th, and less prone to outward rage. The 11th is quite a bit more physical than the 10th Doctor, and is more alien acting, outwardly showing his eccentricities. The 11th is also less tolerant of mistakes and simple stupidity. Beast Below showed that.
@MegaAstroFan18 But they all get the same dialog. In the olden days when they regenerated there was a REAL change in persona - something completely different. But Matt Smith has not had an original line. Everything he says just sounds like a Tennant line, especially in the episodes not written by Moffat. RTD's 1rst Dr. choice was Eccleston and so when he turned into Tennant, RTD still wrote it as if it was still Eccleston. The only difference between them are their stupid catch-phrases.
@LegoDaleks Oh god you are so wrong, there has always been consistent elements in the Doctor, the only one who didn't maintain the consistencies is David Tennant, the consistencies were that Doctor was an alien, he was emotionally distant from events, and he didn't dwell on the past, Tennant had non of these, Matt has all, Matt said two lines Tennant did, and both those lines were in STEVEN MOFFAT written episodes, and who's the new head writer??
@Timelord6661 If you look at the first 9 Dr's, the 9th is obviously the odd one out. They all had consistent elements in the past, which they don't have in nu-hu anymore. The actors act differently, but the writers don't write them differently. The nu-ones all have the same exact personality, even though the personality used to change to almost the exact opposite from the predecessor, in 63-89.
Coupling-in-Space is better than Casanova-in-Cardiff, but still not on par with the original 63-89 DW.
@Redhellmet There's one thing that contradicts that statement, Matt Smith, his Doctor is entirely different from 9 and 10, from his entire alien attitude to everything and everyone around him, to how he handles the emotional moments (emotional moments are expressed subtly rather than 10 and 9's way of elaborate 1 note emotions of angry, sad, upset, angst) there was very little alien about 10's Doctor, 9 started out as an alien but Russell developed him with Rose, until he became humanised.......
@Redhellmet ....something Tennant carried on through his character. Smith is much more like the classic Doctor's, he embraces the madness and the alien nature of the character, something Tennant and Ecclestone never really did, they had mad moments, but it was never natural and important to the character like Smith's. Plus Smith is a much more older and wiser Doctor than Tennant and Ecclestone, he actually looks at the consequences of his actions and tries to prevent them, unlike the Tenth. .
@LegoDaleks The Doctor is the Doctor regardless to incarnation, if anything it helps establish Character consistency, something non existent in the RTD era, that's what Moffat intended, he's reminding the audience that he is the same man, like he always has been, the problem with Tennant is that he was so different from the rest that many people thought the Doctor was a certain way about things, so the new fans don't understand the original character of the Doctor, that Matt is now portraying.
@Timelord6661 You say that each incarnation should be different but that there must still be consistency in the character absolutely right, but this is not true of nu-hu. The Nu-dr.'s all have the same over-emotional shouty personality & then there are obvious inconsistencies like Matt acting really alien towards humans, like in the Lodger where he keeps trying to kiss the fat guy, this is inconsistent because he's been dealing with humans all his lives - check out LegoDaleks' The Lodger review.
@Redhellmet But they don't, Smith has never actually been overly emotional/ shouty, whenever Matt has handled and emotional situation, he deals with it subtly, a prime example of this is his defeat of the Silence in Day of the Moon where in spite of acting both Cocky and jokey, there's an underlying anger to his performance, he gets across that he's angry without exploding into fits of rage like Tennant did, he understates the anger and makes it apparent but more subtle, something an alien....
@Timelord6661 He gets shouty in Eleventh Hour, Beast Below, Victory of the Daleks (don't you remember? "I AM THE DOCTOR & YOU ARE THE DALEKS! -repeat-), Vampires of Venice, The Pandorica Opens etc.
He also cries in Big Bang, which is too emotional for the Dr.
He still has fits of rage the difference between him and Tennant are that Matt's rage seems contrived and artificially put into the plot where it doesn't fit or make sense, this is due to Muppet's incompetence, not Smith's acting.
@Redhellmet When does he get shouty in the Eleventh Hour? The Beast Below was an understandable amount of anger against humans (Colin Baker would have done the same thing and anyone who thinks other wise must have a screw loose) and in Victory of the Dalek's he was trying to instigate a reaction from the Dalek, it was an attempt to get it to reveal it's true colours, hardly emotional and human, more calculative and to an actual point. And the Doctor never actually cries in the Big Bang, he...
@Timelord6661 In Beast Below he just starts shouting for no reason. You can't compare Matt with Colin, maybe with Eccleston. He just gets over-emotional and shouts in an over-emotional way. Like in Victory, he gets frustrated like a two year old who won't calm down until you admit something. Unbelievable that you call shouting: I AM THE DOCTOR AND YOU ARE THE DALEKS over & over again at the top of your voice, calculative???
They aren't tears of joy! He's folking crying, any1 can see that...
@Redhellmet No he didn't start shouting for 'no reason' if you bothered to watch it properly, you would know that he was angry at the humans for what they did to the star whale and the unnecessary pain they put it through, he was also angry about what he was going to do to it to save them. And yes I am saying 'I AM THE DOCTOR, YOU ARE THE DALEKS' is calculative, Daleks respond to violent attacks against them, so the Doctor was using that to his advantage to try and expose their true nature...
@Timelord6661 No the Dr. was just having an immature fit of rage. What on earth would he gain from them admitting that they are indeed the Daleks? Nothing, nothing at all. He knows it, they know it, so what? That 'calculative' action is utterly pointless, it was just him over-reacting again.
He gets upset too easily and then shouts. Beast Below was decent, not good, or original but decent until that point. The Dr. was well tempered and didn't act over the top unlike his predecessor until that.
@Redhellmet The point of the scene was to try and prove to Churchill and the rest of the cabinet war room that the Daleks weren't to be trusted by exposing their true nature, it was established that that was what he was trying to do. It's like you didn't even see the episode, unless you saw a clip out of context, I don't see how anyone would fail to understand the reasoning behind it, it's common sense, so one moment of anger all of a sudden meant he was overreacting? what a load of rubbish.
@Redhellmet ...The classic Doctor's were never confronted with an actual death, they had near death experiences, but have never actually stepped into something where they genuinely believed they were going to die, in the Big Bang Matt's Doctor was being reflective more than anything, sure he may have shed a few tears, but not out of upset, but more contempt about his life, the Doctor shouldn't cry, but if he is thrown into something that deserves it, it should be done the way Matt does it....
@Timelord6661 Did you seriously just say that the original Dr's never thought they were going to die? What about the times that they actually did die? Didn't they realise that they were going to die? Like Logopolis & Planet of the Spiders?
Your point about Adric's death is invalid and I'll tell you why. We are talking about the characters within the show, not about how the audience feels. The Dr. doesn't react the way the audience feels. Big Bing didn't make any1 cry, but the Dr. does. In..
@Redhellmet Erm yes, whenever confronted with near death experiences in the classic series, the Doctor was never given the time or opportunity to even think about doing what he did in the Big Bang, because every instance was almost instantaneous and sudden, who are you to say that the Doctor would react to them in that way? It was unexplored territory for the show, meaning others fill in the gaps, and Matt's Doctor followed suit with the initial death of Rory, the Doctor didn't cry then did he?
@Timelord6661 PlanetoftheSpiders. He was also had the opportunity to cry at the end of the War Games, when he realised he was "going" as Tennant put it and that he would never see Jamie & Zoe again, like the way he thought he'd never see Amy & Mickey I mean Rory again
I was under the impression that the Dr. & Rory hated each other before Cold Blood. They kept giving each other nasty looks all the time, especially in Amy's Choice.
In the past the Dr. had many opportunities to cry out of self-pity
@Redhellmet No, we never saw the interim of the Jon Pertwee's regeneration, all we saw was him collapsing to the floor, and Troughton's Doctor was FORCED TO REGENERATE, he did not know it was going to happen, the sentence was carried out after they left. And making a Mickey comparison with Rory, Rory has proved himself on many occasions to be more than just a Mickey like character, and I guess you forgot how the Doctor was positively encouraging Rory...
@Timelord6661 ...and trivialising why she kissed him to make him feel better in Vampires of Venice, mainly because it proves you wrong, again. When are you actually going to make a correct or valid point? I'm still waiting for any whatsoever.
@Timelord6661 LOL! I suppose he was having a jolly old cry in the TARDIS before he collapsed. If he had cried, they would have shown it. In the End of Time the Dr. should just keel over, he technically doesn't have time to cry but time is made for him to do so, because of the great importance in crying that Nu-hu believes in. Have you actually convinced yourself that given the right amount of time the previous Dr's would all cry before/during (near) death experiences?
@Redhellmet Actually I hated Tennant's regeneration for that, it was honestly the worst of the lot for the very reasons you hate it, but piling together Matt's single tear after reflecting on his life and then leaving with David Tennants relentless weeping is wrong, both are completely different things, Tennant's was melodramatic tripe, Smith's was underplayed with a deep sense of age and wisdom like Hartnell's Doctor. Smith should be rewarded for lessening the emotional angst massively.
@Redhellmet ...and Adric's death wasn't good, mainly because plenty were happy to see him go, and the jobs he had previously were faked, he was working under cover, he still lived in the TARDIS, and wasn't stranded, hence that wasn't an actual day in day out 9-5 job, that was a cover story for him to find out what was going on, hardly comparable to being stranded on earth and forced to live in a house with ordinary people is it? In the other instance he was a completely different person...
@Timelord6661 In Earthshock Teagan CRIES, because she is HUMAN. The Dr. doesn't - not because he was happy to see him go - duh! Don't waste my time with rubbish like that.
Answer my question about the job thing. If you had been a scientific advisor for years and a teacher at two different schools and then filled in for a fat guy, would you say that you only worked once? Just admit that Garth Roberts made terrible mistakes and so did Muppet for letting The Lodger happen. The Dr. even talks to..
@Redhellmet Basically you threw that completely valid counter argument that disproves everything you have just said out of the window to continue living in your own ignorant and elitist bubble of if it does not conform to your impossible XYZ formula, it's bad by default, because you believe to have the ultimate authority over the show and what is good in it, you my friend are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
@Timelord6661 Are you talking to yourself, because instead of addressing my point you just fill the entire comment box with rubbish. What was your valid point? The one you made about Adric? That was laughable.
@Redhellmet About circumstances of the Doctor in the work place, and how the previous accounts DO NOT COUNT, actually listen to me instead drivelling on about something you clearly know absolutely nothing about.
@Timelord6661 Of course the previous instances COUNT. That's why you refuse to answer the question I put you. If you had had the same work experience as the Dr - scientific adviser, teacher, teacher, filling in for a fat guy - then you would have effectively "worked" more than once. What about him being able to communicate with the cat? Is that also seen as consistent? And what about wasting time playing football while people get killed, does that also make sense? Not to mention the magical kiss
@Redhellmet Erm no, not when he was a completely different person in one instance as a teacher, and in the other he was merely posing as a teacher to investigate within the faculty, in Closing Time, it was clear he was working there for a great deal of time as oppose to just teaching the odd class, plus to the Doctor, working for UNIT is hardly deemed 'work' to him, he wasn't even paid for it, it's what the Doctor does on a regular basis for free, that's not work. stop making invalid points.
@Timelord6661 Was he paid in The Lodger? He must have been paid in Human Nature. UNIT paid him with supplies and help from Liz Shaw. I, you and anyone would have said that they worked more than just on one occasion if I, you, we, they had had the same work history as the Dr. don't pretend otherwise.
If anything all his other jobs are more valid than the "work" he does in The Lodger.
Was the cat & football thing and magical kiss all invalid as well?
@Redhellmet No he wasn't, that wasn't a proper job, he was filling in for someone else. In Human Nature, HE ISN'T THE DOCTOR , he's a human with a completely different character. The Doctor is psychic, it's not a stretch of the imagination that he can communicate with other creatures, The Doctor learns faster than humans which makes him naturally talented at some things, the only point you have is the kiss, but in all fairness, the episode wasn't supposed to be taken that seriously anyway.
@Timelord6661 No problem with him being good at football, but that he was right next to the room that was the root of the problem & people were dying in it, but he just pisses about & plays football
None of the eps are to be taken seriously, like the series 5 finale
I don't think that that's a good excuse to have the Dr. behave irresponsibly.
The Dr is sort of telepathic, but animals don't "think". The Dr. has always been shown not to be able to communicate with life forms that don't/can't speak
@Timelord6661 ...You were trying to make a point about his other jobs not being "work" by mentioning that the other jobs he had he didn't get paid for. So there is a clear instance when you made an invalid point, because he didn't get paid for his "work" in The Lodger either.
Having your own job counts more than just simply, as a novice, stepping in for someone else. That's pretty obvious to anyone, except you & Gareth Roberts.
@Redhellmet ...so how on earth can you count that? Matt's Doctor isn't inconsistent and the plots do make sense, you're just looking for things to hate for/ criticise. You sound like you haven't even seen the very thing your criticising, that's how wrong you've gotten it.
@Timelord6661 ...a cat in that one. He wastes time playing football when there are people dying in the room he's supposed to be investigating. You haven't a clue about consistency. You probably thought that the bit in Flesh and Stone where the Angels steal his jacket and then it magically appears in the next episode was consistent. Series 1-6 are full of plot holes and inconsistencies and just stupid reasoning on the part of the Dr. Nu-hu is a version of DW with all its former greatness removed.
@Redhellmet Wrong again, actually that jacket was clearly a different variation, Smith had two tweed Jackets, one that was checked, and one that was basic tweed, he changed into the checked one from Victory of the Daleks, and kept it until it was stolen in Flesh and Stone where he switched back, there are distinctive differences between both of them. And if you're really that elitist as to pick at silly little details such as that as your excuse to hate new Who, then again, I pity you.
@Timelord6661 It's not a little detail. His jacket was gone and we didn't see where he got the new one from. He just turns up with a new one next episode with a jacket that is almost identical to the previous one - pointless and nonsensical.
@Redhellmet Erm no, actually look at an image from both episodes and compare jackets if you do not believe me, actually LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, what I am saying is FACT, not nonsensical rubbish, it is clearly the first jacket he wore that he switched back to, there are CLEAR DIFFERENCES. And if it was pointless and nonsensical then why bring it up in the first place?
@Redhellmet ...sheds a few tears sure, but never actually breaks down crying, besides from his point of view, he might not have seen them again, of course he's going to be at least somewhat emotional, even the classic Doctor's would probably react like Smith did considering when Matt cries, it usually is for a very good reason (and when it happens he moves on almost instantly, like the Doctor should) and the Lodger explanation isn't a plot hole, the Doctor's attitude was even made blatant....
@Timelord6661 The original Dr.'s would never cry in that situation, don't pretend otherwise. DT cried to death, Eccleston was also close to tears a lot. As you already know the first 7 dr's didn't burst into tears every time they were near death or were actually dying. It's out of character for the Dr. to cry, especially out of self-pity. That's why he didn't cry when Adric died, which is a lot sadder situation than anything that has ever happened in nu-hu....
@Redhellmet ...in the episode to be what I just said e.g. the first time he's talking to Amy on the ear piece he out right explains his actions in what he's trying to do. The only real kind of working environment the Doctor has ever been in for long stretches of time is UNIT, and that's hardly an ordinary human setting is it? the point was that the Doctor envisioned staying there for a while, and therefore was adapting to this new environment, it's the point of the episode, not a plot hole.
@Timelord6661 He was a school teacher twice in nu-hu, he somehow knew how to adapt and act normal then and they were also jobs, hence work. If you had been a teacher at two different schools and been a scientific advisor for many years and then one day filled in for a fat guy, would you really say that you only worked once before and that that was for the fat guy? Of course you wouldn't
It's not a plot hole, it's inconsistent with the character, like a fanfic. The plot doesn't make sense either.
@Redhellmet ....character would do as it shows he has a higher brain capacity than humans and is capable of controlling his emotions while subduing them at the same time, another example is Vampire's of Venice when he's given the speech about the death he has encountered, Tennant's Doctor would have broke down crying, Smith pulled one facial expression and instantly shrugged it off, HOW IS THAT EMOTIONAL OR HUMAN? and the Doctor in the Lodger was trying to adapt to ordinary human life, he...
@Redhellmet .... interacts with them, but has never actually had the experience of living in a normal house with normal people (when he was with UNIT, he never did so), that concept is alien to him, he tackles it like a challenge and is therefore trying NOT to be himself, but failing at it, that's the point of his alien acting in that episode, it's not inconsistent, it's his adaptation into what is to him a new form of habitation. You/ John clearly haven't been watching his era properly.
@Timelord6661 ...to earth and had to interact with humans on a daily basis during his time at UNIT, never did he attempt to kiss people. It isn't your job to try to explain away plot holes. The Lodger is chucked full of them. I'm not watching his era properly??? look who's talking! Don't you remember all the other inconsistencies like when the Dr. goes to work in the fat guys place and mentions that he has never worked before even though he HAS worked many times in DW as well as in Nu-hu?
@MKTrnyHow could you say that when you've obviously only watched one Actors whole run as the Dr. and not the others. You're comparing him to maybe some clips you saw on confidential. People who claim the 10th was the best have never seen the others, otherwise they would realise that he was the worst, well actually the 9th was the worst. But maybe after tonight and the rest of this season we'll find out that the 11th is the worst. Well, no one can be worse than the 9th unless he leaves after 1 se
@TenthDoctorFan Ha! You clearly don't know what you're talking about! In a comment of yours you complain about the 11th having a "love affair" with a woman old enough to be his grandmother. You've been watching since the 70's??? I don't believe you! The Dr. is supposedly over 953 years old, so how on earth is River too old for him? Rose is a 19 y.o. dunce, who isn't even the same species as him - if you can accept that he'd be in love with that, surely you can accept anything.
@Redhellmet Then why all the Mrs Robinson jokes? And at this point I really don't care what you think or believe. You're only interested in what you say not anyone else.
@TenthDoctorFan There are Mrs Robinson Jokes in Series 6? Well, Muppet is an incredibly idiotic "writer". He has the Dr act like he's 12, sometimes even like a 5 year old having a tantrum ("I AM THE DOCTOR & YOU ARE THE DALEKS" repeat), so maybe that's why.
It also seems that "Redhellmet" believes he is a better writer than some... who have been given a job.
ozturtle31 1 week ago
@Redhellmet
It's quite obvious to us all, by now, as to what "Redhellmet" refers to. EVERY Doctor is different, they all have a different perspective on EVERYTHING. Each Doctor from Eccleston on has been through the TIME-WAR. One cannot expect him to be so... restrained as he WOULD have been before. Nor should he be. In MY opinion.
ozturtle31 1 week ago
I think it's sad that you can't post anything positive about Tennant's Doctor without being shat on by Matt fans. What's wrong? Can't stand it that Tennant was a GREAT Doctor? Grow up. Just because you think Matt is the best doesn't mean everyone does. Tennant's Doctor gave us depth. Matt's gave us Mork from Ork. And a love affair with a woman old enough to be his grandmother.
TenthDoctorFan 3 months ago
this video reminded me. just how amazing david was. and will always be amazing!
:') He left me a doctor in my heart. no.10 xx
claireissolovely 3 months ago
This Doctor My Doctor
Cause you Know David you were My Doctor
jokernu1fan 6 months ago
Oh man, he was my Dr. Thanks for posting this one
chiefnut48 9 months ago
This truly made me cry
1duckclub 9 months ago
Love this instrumental version of Song For Ten - anyone know where I can get it from?
MrFlibble 10 months ago
@Timelord6661 Actually David Did Have Consistencies, As 9, As Matt As With David. Don't Forget They Are Meant To Be The Same Person Yet Different. David Was That. Matt Reminds Me Of The First Doctor.
delenarocks101 11 months ago
@delenarocks101 All the nu-dr.'s are much too similar to one another to be compared to any of the original Dr.'s. It turns out in the end that the nu-doctors aren't actually the Dr., but are actually just some weirdo with an identity complex.
Redhellmet 3 months ago
@Redhellmet I partly agree with you, but David was more an energetic school boy and Matt is just weird (in a cool way). Although very similar slightly different. I think the next doctor should be so egotistical and think down on humans, like the 6. It would create a different atmosphere :D
delenarocks101 2 months ago
Could've done without the voice over. Especially since the bit in question is actually build up to a moment of comedy.
MegaAstroFan18 1 year ago
You know how he always says : "Allons-y". Well, when he has 'dieing' he should have said: "Au revoir"
Why is anyone sad anyway? The 11th is exactly like the 10th and 9th he just looks different. It's not like the changes of any of the original Doctors, which were significantly more dramatically different.
LegoDaleks 1 year ago
@LegoDaleks: You've... not been paying much attention then have you? The 11th Doctor is quite different, and the 10th is quite different to the 9th. The 10th was more gregarious and sociable than the 9th, and less prone to outward rage. The 11th is quite a bit more physical than the 10th Doctor, and is more alien acting, outwardly showing his eccentricities. The 11th is also less tolerant of mistakes and simple stupidity. Beast Below showed that.
MegaAstroFan18 1 year ago
@MegaAstroFan18 But they all get the same dialog. In the olden days when they regenerated there was a REAL change in persona - something completely different. But Matt Smith has not had an original line. Everything he says just sounds like a Tennant line, especially in the episodes not written by Moffat. RTD's 1rst Dr. choice was Eccleston and so when he turned into Tennant, RTD still wrote it as if it was still Eccleston. The only difference between them are their stupid catch-phrases.
LegoDaleks 1 year ago
@LegoDaleks: You're not paying attention
MegaAstroFan18 1 year ago
@MegaAstroFan18 No, you're the one not paying attention. You don't even notice that Matt Smith gets the exact same lines Tennant would and did.
LegoDaleks 1 year ago
@LegoDaleks: Nope, I'm paying attention, you aren't. I'm not going to argue this. I'm right, you're wrong. Tough luck.
MegaAstroFan18 1 year ago
@LegoDaleks Oh god you are so wrong, there has always been consistent elements in the Doctor, the only one who didn't maintain the consistencies is David Tennant, the consistencies were that Doctor was an alien, he was emotionally distant from events, and he didn't dwell on the past, Tennant had non of these, Matt has all, Matt said two lines Tennant did, and both those lines were in STEVEN MOFFAT written episodes, and who's the new head writer??
Timelord6661 1 year ago
@Timelord6661 If you look at the first 9 Dr's, the 9th is obviously the odd one out. They all had consistent elements in the past, which they don't have in nu-hu anymore. The actors act differently, but the writers don't write them differently. The nu-ones all have the same exact personality, even though the personality used to change to almost the exact opposite from the predecessor, in 63-89.
Coupling-in-Space is better than Casanova-in-Cardiff, but still not on par with the original 63-89 DW.
Redhellmet 3 months ago
@Redhellmet There's one thing that contradicts that statement, Matt Smith, his Doctor is entirely different from 9 and 10, from his entire alien attitude to everything and everyone around him, to how he handles the emotional moments (emotional moments are expressed subtly rather than 10 and 9's way of elaborate 1 note emotions of angry, sad, upset, angst) there was very little alien about 10's Doctor, 9 started out as an alien but Russell developed him with Rose, until he became humanised.......
Timelord6661 3 months ago
@Redhellmet ....something Tennant carried on through his character. Smith is much more like the classic Doctor's, he embraces the madness and the alien nature of the character, something Tennant and Ecclestone never really did, they had mad moments, but it was never natural and important to the character like Smith's. Plus Smith is a much more older and wiser Doctor than Tennant and Ecclestone, he actually looks at the consequences of his actions and tries to prevent them, unlike the Tenth. .
Timelord6661 3 months ago
@LegoDaleks The Doctor is the Doctor regardless to incarnation, if anything it helps establish Character consistency, something non existent in the RTD era, that's what Moffat intended, he's reminding the audience that he is the same man, like he always has been, the problem with Tennant is that he was so different from the rest that many people thought the Doctor was a certain way about things, so the new fans don't understand the original character of the Doctor, that Matt is now portraying.
Timelord6661 1 year ago
@Timelord6661 You say that each incarnation should be different but that there must still be consistency in the character absolutely right, but this is not true of nu-hu. The Nu-dr.'s all have the same over-emotional shouty personality & then there are obvious inconsistencies like Matt acting really alien towards humans, like in the Lodger where he keeps trying to kiss the fat guy, this is inconsistent because he's been dealing with humans all his lives - check out LegoDaleks' The Lodger review.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet But they don't, Smith has never actually been overly emotional/ shouty, whenever Matt has handled and emotional situation, he deals with it subtly, a prime example of this is his defeat of the Silence in Day of the Moon where in spite of acting both Cocky and jokey, there's an underlying anger to his performance, he gets across that he's angry without exploding into fits of rage like Tennant did, he understates the anger and makes it apparent but more subtle, something an alien....
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 He gets shouty in Eleventh Hour, Beast Below, Victory of the Daleks (don't you remember? "I AM THE DOCTOR & YOU ARE THE DALEKS! -repeat-), Vampires of Venice, The Pandorica Opens etc.
He also cries in Big Bang, which is too emotional for the Dr.
He still has fits of rage the difference between him and Tennant are that Matt's rage seems contrived and artificially put into the plot where it doesn't fit or make sense, this is due to Muppet's incompetence, not Smith's acting.
He's been
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet When does he get shouty in the Eleventh Hour? The Beast Below was an understandable amount of anger against humans (Colin Baker would have done the same thing and anyone who thinks other wise must have a screw loose) and in Victory of the Dalek's he was trying to instigate a reaction from the Dalek, it was an attempt to get it to reveal it's true colours, hardly emotional and human, more calculative and to an actual point. And the Doctor never actually cries in the Big Bang, he...
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 In Beast Below he just starts shouting for no reason. You can't compare Matt with Colin, maybe with Eccleston. He just gets over-emotional and shouts in an over-emotional way. Like in Victory, he gets frustrated like a two year old who won't calm down until you admit something. Unbelievable that you call shouting: I AM THE DOCTOR AND YOU ARE THE DALEKS over & over again at the top of your voice, calculative???
They aren't tears of joy! He's folking crying, any1 can see that...
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet No he didn't start shouting for 'no reason' if you bothered to watch it properly, you would know that he was angry at the humans for what they did to the star whale and the unnecessary pain they put it through, he was also angry about what he was going to do to it to save them. And yes I am saying 'I AM THE DOCTOR, YOU ARE THE DALEKS' is calculative, Daleks respond to violent attacks against them, so the Doctor was using that to his advantage to try and expose their true nature...
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 No the Dr. was just having an immature fit of rage. What on earth would he gain from them admitting that they are indeed the Daleks? Nothing, nothing at all. He knows it, they know it, so what? That 'calculative' action is utterly pointless, it was just him over-reacting again.
He gets upset too easily and then shouts. Beast Below was decent, not good, or original but decent until that point. The Dr. was well tempered and didn't act over the top unlike his predecessor until that.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet The point of the scene was to try and prove to Churchill and the rest of the cabinet war room that the Daleks weren't to be trusted by exposing their true nature, it was established that that was what he was trying to do. It's like you didn't even see the episode, unless you saw a clip out of context, I don't see how anyone would fail to understand the reasoning behind it, it's common sense, so one moment of anger all of a sudden meant he was overreacting? what a load of rubbish.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ...The classic Doctor's were never confronted with an actual death, they had near death experiences, but have never actually stepped into something where they genuinely believed they were going to die, in the Big Bang Matt's Doctor was being reflective more than anything, sure he may have shed a few tears, but not out of upset, but more contempt about his life, the Doctor shouldn't cry, but if he is thrown into something that deserves it, it should be done the way Matt does it....
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 Did you seriously just say that the original Dr's never thought they were going to die? What about the times that they actually did die? Didn't they realise that they were going to die? Like Logopolis & Planet of the Spiders?
Your point about Adric's death is invalid and I'll tell you why. We are talking about the characters within the show, not about how the audience feels. The Dr. doesn't react the way the audience feels. Big Bing didn't make any1 cry, but the Dr. does. In..
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet Erm yes, whenever confronted with near death experiences in the classic series, the Doctor was never given the time or opportunity to even think about doing what he did in the Big Bang, because every instance was almost instantaneous and sudden, who are you to say that the Doctor would react to them in that way? It was unexplored territory for the show, meaning others fill in the gaps, and Matt's Doctor followed suit with the initial death of Rory, the Doctor didn't cry then did he?
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 PlanetoftheSpiders. He was also had the opportunity to cry at the end of the War Games, when he realised he was "going" as Tennant put it and that he would never see Jamie & Zoe again, like the way he thought he'd never see Amy & Mickey I mean Rory again
I was under the impression that the Dr. & Rory hated each other before Cold Blood. They kept giving each other nasty looks all the time, especially in Amy's Choice.
In the past the Dr. had many opportunities to cry out of self-pity
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet No, we never saw the interim of the Jon Pertwee's regeneration, all we saw was him collapsing to the floor, and Troughton's Doctor was FORCED TO REGENERATE, he did not know it was going to happen, the sentence was carried out after they left. And making a Mickey comparison with Rory, Rory has proved himself on many occasions to be more than just a Mickey like character, and I guess you forgot how the Doctor was positively encouraging Rory...
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 ...and trivialising why she kissed him to make him feel better in Vampires of Venice, mainly because it proves you wrong, again. When are you actually going to make a correct or valid point? I'm still waiting for any whatsoever.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 LOL! I suppose he was having a jolly old cry in the TARDIS before he collapsed. If he had cried, they would have shown it. In the End of Time the Dr. should just keel over, he technically doesn't have time to cry but time is made for him to do so, because of the great importance in crying that Nu-hu believes in. Have you actually convinced yourself that given the right amount of time the previous Dr's would all cry before/during (near) death experiences?
Rory is simply Amy's BF
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet Actually I hated Tennant's regeneration for that, it was honestly the worst of the lot for the very reasons you hate it, but piling together Matt's single tear after reflecting on his life and then leaving with David Tennants relentless weeping is wrong, both are completely different things, Tennant's was melodramatic tripe, Smith's was underplayed with a deep sense of age and wisdom like Hartnell's Doctor. Smith should be rewarded for lessening the emotional angst massively.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ...and Adric's death wasn't good, mainly because plenty were happy to see him go, and the jobs he had previously were faked, he was working under cover, he still lived in the TARDIS, and wasn't stranded, hence that wasn't an actual day in day out 9-5 job, that was a cover story for him to find out what was going on, hardly comparable to being stranded on earth and forced to live in a house with ordinary people is it? In the other instance he was a completely different person...
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 In Earthshock Teagan CRIES, because she is HUMAN. The Dr. doesn't - not because he was happy to see him go - duh! Don't waste my time with rubbish like that.
Answer my question about the job thing. If you had been a scientific advisor for years and a teacher at two different schools and then filled in for a fat guy, would you say that you only worked once? Just admit that Garth Roberts made terrible mistakes and so did Muppet for letting The Lodger happen. The Dr. even talks to..
Redhellmet 2 months ago
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Timelord6661 2 months ago
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@Redhellmet Basically you threw that completely valid counter argument that disproves everything you have just said out of the window to continue living in your own ignorant and elitist bubble of if it does not conform to your impossible XYZ formula, it's bad by default, because you believe to have the ultimate authority over the show and what is good in it, you my friend are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 Are you talking to yourself, because instead of addressing my point you just fill the entire comment box with rubbish. What was your valid point? The one you made about Adric? That was laughable.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet About circumstances of the Doctor in the work place, and how the previous accounts DO NOT COUNT, actually listen to me instead drivelling on about something you clearly know absolutely nothing about.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 Of course the previous instances COUNT. That's why you refuse to answer the question I put you. If you had had the same work experience as the Dr - scientific adviser, teacher, teacher, filling in for a fat guy - then you would have effectively "worked" more than once. What about him being able to communicate with the cat? Is that also seen as consistent? And what about wasting time playing football while people get killed, does that also make sense? Not to mention the magical kiss
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet Erm no, not when he was a completely different person in one instance as a teacher, and in the other he was merely posing as a teacher to investigate within the faculty, in Closing Time, it was clear he was working there for a great deal of time as oppose to just teaching the odd class, plus to the Doctor, working for UNIT is hardly deemed 'work' to him, he wasn't even paid for it, it's what the Doctor does on a regular basis for free, that's not work. stop making invalid points.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 Was he paid in The Lodger? He must have been paid in Human Nature. UNIT paid him with supplies and help from Liz Shaw. I, you and anyone would have said that they worked more than just on one occasion if I, you, we, they had had the same work history as the Dr. don't pretend otherwise.
If anything all his other jobs are more valid than the "work" he does in The Lodger.
Was the cat & football thing and magical kiss all invalid as well?
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet No he wasn't, that wasn't a proper job, he was filling in for someone else. In Human Nature, HE ISN'T THE DOCTOR , he's a human with a completely different character. The Doctor is psychic, it's not a stretch of the imagination that he can communicate with other creatures, The Doctor learns faster than humans which makes him naturally talented at some things, the only point you have is the kiss, but in all fairness, the episode wasn't supposed to be taken that seriously anyway.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 No problem with him being good at football, but that he was right next to the room that was the root of the problem & people were dying in it, but he just pisses about & plays football
None of the eps are to be taken seriously, like the series 5 finale
I don't think that that's a good excuse to have the Dr. behave irresponsibly.
The Dr is sort of telepathic, but animals don't "think". The Dr. has always been shown not to be able to communicate with life forms that don't/can't speak
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 ...You were trying to make a point about his other jobs not being "work" by mentioning that the other jobs he had he didn't get paid for. So there is a clear instance when you made an invalid point, because he didn't get paid for his "work" in The Lodger either.
Having your own job counts more than just simply, as a novice, stepping in for someone else. That's pretty obvious to anyone, except you & Gareth Roberts.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ...so how on earth can you count that? Matt's Doctor isn't inconsistent and the plots do make sense, you're just looking for things to hate for/ criticise. You sound like you haven't even seen the very thing your criticising, that's how wrong you've gotten it.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 ...a cat in that one. He wastes time playing football when there are people dying in the room he's supposed to be investigating. You haven't a clue about consistency. You probably thought that the bit in Flesh and Stone where the Angels steal his jacket and then it magically appears in the next episode was consistent. Series 1-6 are full of plot holes and inconsistencies and just stupid reasoning on the part of the Dr. Nu-hu is a version of DW with all its former greatness removed.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet Wrong again, actually that jacket was clearly a different variation, Smith had two tweed Jackets, one that was checked, and one that was basic tweed, he changed into the checked one from Victory of the Daleks, and kept it until it was stolen in Flesh and Stone where he switched back, there are distinctive differences between both of them. And if you're really that elitist as to pick at silly little details such as that as your excuse to hate new Who, then again, I pity you.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 It's not a little detail. His jacket was gone and we didn't see where he got the new one from. He just turns up with a new one next episode with a jacket that is almost identical to the previous one - pointless and nonsensical.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet Erm no, actually look at an image from both episodes and compare jackets if you do not believe me, actually LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, what I am saying is FACT, not nonsensical rubbish, it is clearly the first jacket he wore that he switched back to, there are CLEAR DIFFERENCES. And if it was pointless and nonsensical then why bring it up in the first place?
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ...sheds a few tears sure, but never actually breaks down crying, besides from his point of view, he might not have seen them again, of course he's going to be at least somewhat emotional, even the classic Doctor's would probably react like Smith did considering when Matt cries, it usually is for a very good reason (and when it happens he moves on almost instantly, like the Doctor should) and the Lodger explanation isn't a plot hole, the Doctor's attitude was even made blatant....
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 The original Dr.'s would never cry in that situation, don't pretend otherwise. DT cried to death, Eccleston was also close to tears a lot. As you already know the first 7 dr's didn't burst into tears every time they were near death or were actually dying. It's out of character for the Dr. to cry, especially out of self-pity. That's why he didn't cry when Adric died, which is a lot sadder situation than anything that has ever happened in nu-hu....
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ...in the episode to be what I just said e.g. the first time he's talking to Amy on the ear piece he out right explains his actions in what he's trying to do. The only real kind of working environment the Doctor has ever been in for long stretches of time is UNIT, and that's hardly an ordinary human setting is it? the point was that the Doctor envisioned staying there for a while, and therefore was adapting to this new environment, it's the point of the episode, not a plot hole.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 He was a school teacher twice in nu-hu, he somehow knew how to adapt and act normal then and they were also jobs, hence work. If you had been a teacher at two different schools and been a scientific advisor for many years and then one day filled in for a fat guy, would you really say that you only worked once before and that that was for the fat guy? Of course you wouldn't
It's not a plot hole, it's inconsistent with the character, like a fanfic. The plot doesn't make sense either.
Redhellmet 2 months ago
@Redhellmet ....character would do as it shows he has a higher brain capacity than humans and is capable of controlling his emotions while subduing them at the same time, another example is Vampire's of Venice when he's given the speech about the death he has encountered, Tennant's Doctor would have broke down crying, Smith pulled one facial expression and instantly shrugged it off, HOW IS THAT EMOTIONAL OR HUMAN? and the Doctor in the Lodger was trying to adapt to ordinary human life, he...
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Redhellmet .... interacts with them, but has never actually had the experience of living in a normal house with normal people (when he was with UNIT, he never did so), that concept is alien to him, he tackles it like a challenge and is therefore trying NOT to be himself, but failing at it, that's the point of his alien acting in that episode, it's not inconsistent, it's his adaptation into what is to him a new form of habitation. You/ John clearly haven't been watching his era properly.
Timelord6661 2 months ago
@Timelord6661 ...to earth and had to interact with humans on a daily basis during his time at UNIT, never did he attempt to kiss people. It isn't your job to try to explain away plot holes. The Lodger is chucked full of them. I'm not watching his era properly??? look who's talking! Don't you remember all the other inconsistencies like when the Dr. goes to work in the fat guys place and mentions that he has never worked before even though he HAS worked many times in DW as well as in Nu-hu?
Redhellmet 2 months ago
Ok i'm sorry I'm tearing up.
MKTrny 1 year ago
We will all forget you, because you are worth forgetting. How did he even regenerate anyway? He didn't die.
Redhellmet 1 year ago
@Redhellmet How can you say that?! He's not worth forgetting! He was the best Doctor in the history of Doctor who!
MKTrny 1 year ago
@MKTrnyHow could you say that when you've obviously only watched one Actors whole run as the Dr. and not the others. You're comparing him to maybe some clips you saw on confidential. People who claim the 10th was the best have never seen the others, otherwise they would realise that he was the worst, well actually the 9th was the worst. But maybe after tonight and the rest of this season we'll find out that the 11th is the worst. Well, no one can be worse than the 9th unless he leaves after 1 se
Redhellmet 1 year ago
@Redhellmet I've been watch Doctor Who since the seventies, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
TenthDoctorFan 3 months ago
@TenthDoctorFan Ha! You clearly don't know what you're talking about! In a comment of yours you complain about the 11th having a "love affair" with a woman old enough to be his grandmother. You've been watching since the 70's??? I don't believe you! The Dr. is supposedly over 953 years old, so how on earth is River too old for him? Rose is a 19 y.o. dunce, who isn't even the same species as him - if you can accept that he'd be in love with that, surely you can accept anything.
Redhellmet 3 months ago 4
@Redhellmet Then why all the Mrs Robinson jokes? And at this point I really don't care what you think or believe. You're only interested in what you say not anyone else.
TenthDoctorFan 3 weeks ago
@TenthDoctorFan There are Mrs Robinson Jokes in Series 6? Well, Muppet is an incredibly idiotic "writer". He has the Dr act like he's 12, sometimes even like a 5 year old having a tantrum ("I AM THE DOCTOR & YOU ARE THE DALEKS" repeat), so maybe that's why.
Redhellmet 3 weeks ago
@MKTrny Ignore him...Tennant is tops.
TenthDoctorFan 3 months ago
@TenthDoctorFan Planning on it,
TenthDoctorFan 3 weeks ago
gah :( don't go ten!
BigGreenTree89 2 years ago
get over it, the new one will be exactly the same shouty dumbass.
Redhellmet 1 year ago
*sort ses kleenex* Jveux pas qu'il paaaaaaaaaaaaarte :(
ça c'est pas CHOUEEEEEETTE :(
NicolettaDelavega 2 years ago