If I'm going to go out on a limb in my faith, it sure won't be on the side that believes humans are dumb animals with no purpose or reason for existing and who just happen to be a product of some freak cosmic accident...
Arrogance and conceit are only the beginning of the personality disorders associated with atheism...
Please explain how a male human body and a female human body with so many complex body parts that are perfectly and anatomically formed to facilitate each other in the process of procreation could have just accidently evolved through a multitude of species changes?....
I actually read the Pascal source material, and he mentioned that people cannot be converted by logical proof alone. And I think he was onto something. Not all people are capable of critical thinking and not all people are emotionally sound. This is why "the wager" works so well. It sounds like a "common sense" argument and people will still fall for it. It is effective.
I am an agnostic who sees it as it is and I don't see "The Wager" falling out of favor with apologists.
Agreed, it is emotional manipulation pure and easy. When Pascal originally conceptualized his wager, it may have been the cream of the Christian thought crop, but it isn't anymore. But the emotional manipulation of the weak-minded and weak-willed will continue if people still embrace Christianity from here out.
Well, I wouldn't actually agree entirely. I am a Catholic myself and I don't follow Pascal's Wager. But what I learned in Philosophy is that PW is more like saying if you believe and you are wrong, how is that any worse than where you are now? It's like Martin Luther King in the CRM. If he didn't succeed, how are AA's any worse than they would be. If he was right, there is alot to gain. that is the idea behind PW. Probably to say, "Take a risk", "Go For it" etc.
I don't agree with you totally either, but I think we see something deeper in the argument. It is not an argument meant to persuade like the ontological or teleological arguments for the existence of God. Those arguments are meant to convince. The wager is the same way, but it is more subtle in its formation and application. This may be why freethinkers like myself see through it.
I would say that is closer to what was meant by it. In this particular case, it was aimed at faith. However the wager can be and has been used in other situations as well. So, it might be best not to read into it too much as a hidden agenda and all that. I would just stick with the "give it a shot" idea, which is what I was taught for it to mean.
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
I don't understand...so why is there no Big Banger?(I know that's amusing in England)But,if there is no cause for the singularity why even differentiate between events,say for example my pencil is 15 months old, but the constituent atoms are 15 billion years old? Age has no meaning in absolute terms,no? If matter is all that has ever existed then why do we have the concept of things not embodied in matter,e.g.,infinity,eternity,triangularity,nothingness.
i think you bring up some very good points about atheism. Really, the only guarantee you have with an atheist, is that they lack a belief in deities, and that belief doesn't have to founded on rationality, unfortunately. Though, a possible reason why some atheists convert might be that the conversions are irrational atheists. It's a possiblity at least.
im agnostic, i can't stand listening to this shit, christians and atheist both don't want admit they don't know. forever, arrogant annoying noise makers
Convert doesn't always have a religious connotation attached to it. I can convert sugar to alcohol. I can convert from believing to not believing. Also, a relgion is a set of beliefs. Atheism is a lack of belief. No belief= Not religious.
the tru atheist wont go to heaven or hell when they die. becuz both God and satan haz no part in there livez. but one thing the atheist dont realize, yet, iz that they do have a soul. the physical diez, but the soul livz on. so i believe when a tru atheist diez they will be in a place far from God. and any place far from God'z presence u wont be a nice place, i tell ya...lol
correction: ...God respects the decision of the Atheist, thus, acknowledging tha He has no part in their souls. but satan iz different becuz he iz the Father of Liez...hmmm?
"Atheists convert because of fear of death" etc..how stupid , Antony flew in his latest book that came out last week "THERE IS A GOD" laughs at all the stupid fundamentalist atheists who tried to spread that false rumor
as flew says ive never believed in survival after death and still dont , but these clowns tried to say i converted because of fear of death LOL (((( fanstastic book by the way )))
When an atheist converts to Christianity momentarily, they could have had a moment in time when they had a lapse in critical thinking. For atheists who convert to Christianity longer than a moment, your explanation does not suffice.
hahaha, thanks brian for explaining why i'm an atheist and cant fall in to the trap of religion seeing as i've been diagnosed with "Autisme Spectrum Distortion" XD
never knew that could've had anything to do with it lol :p
You forgot the atheist that convert for money. In Italy if you convert you get payed. Also books of atheist converting and them giving speeches makes them a lot of money too.
What's the exchange rate for converting atheists to Christianity these days? When I was last in Italy, the conversion rate was 1342:1, but that was lire to dollars.
Lets see... Whos the big atheist turned christian? William J. Murray is one. He now lives a nice life being a believer when he was raised a atheist. Also wiki has many other atheist turned christian and have made money claiming that. Even though they have no proof of fist being more then a normal theist till they wanted to make money.
This guy jumps to a logical fallacy himself when he says "an invisible spaghetti monster made the pizza shop." That's NOT the argument. It shows a lack of understanding of what the argument is. The argument instead is "if there is a pizza shop, someone intelligent must have designed and built it." Period. The shop's existence is evidence of an intelligent designer.
Very nice, and I've always been an Atheist, though I am part of a very Christian family. You're also on the money when you say some people with things such as Autism can't understand religion. I have Asperger's Syndrome (mild form of Autism) and don't understand why people believed in such things, even when I was younger, just thinking it was illogical and made no sense.
Anyway, keep up the videos and keep up the great work RRS.
hhhmm makes a million times more sense the an average creationist video
lucariololol 1 year ago
Okay, no audio I can live with, no girl is unacceptable! Sort this out! One star!
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
seriously....Stop Makin Videos!...You aint got a clue!....sort the audio out omg! lol
aaronb2015 2 years ago
Epic fail regarding the audio.
chert95 3 years ago 4
If I'm going to go out on a limb in my faith, it sure won't be on the side that believes humans are dumb animals with no purpose or reason for existing and who just happen to be a product of some freak cosmic accident...
Arrogance and conceit are only the beginning of the personality disorders associated with atheism...
GospelPete 3 years ago
i agree.
wonko is the only true god
repent now
wonko rules
ptica11 3 years ago 2
What are you talking about, you stupid?
Alaron251 2 years ago
I wonder if all atheists are as conceited as the person in this video?...
It appears to be a prerequisite of the atheism cult....
GospelPete 3 years ago
#1 argument against atheism
"they're arrogant"
sum1unxpected 3 years ago
Please explain how a male human body and a female human body with so many complex body parts that are perfectly and anatomically formed to facilitate each other in the process of procreation could have just accidently evolved through a multitude of species changes?....
Good luck in hell my ill-fated free thinkers...
GospelPete 3 years ago
unless you can explain X, god exists.
that's an argument from ignorence.
the guy in this video just explained why that type of argument isn't valid.
sum1unxpected 3 years ago
"Please explain how"
Physics.
Next question?
m3141592 2 years ago
I actually read the Pascal source material, and he mentioned that people cannot be converted by logical proof alone. And I think he was onto something. Not all people are capable of critical thinking and not all people are emotionally sound. This is why "the wager" works so well. It sounds like a "common sense" argument and people will still fall for it. It is effective.
I am an agnostic who sees it as it is and I don't see "The Wager" falling out of favor with apologists.
opinionhead444 3 years ago
The best way to some up Pascal's Wager is to say "What have you got to lose?" This can be applied to gambling, risk taking, etc.
Stitchman3875 3 years ago
Agreed, it is emotional manipulation pure and easy. When Pascal originally conceptualized his wager, it may have been the cream of the Christian thought crop, but it isn't anymore. But the emotional manipulation of the weak-minded and weak-willed will continue if people still embrace Christianity from here out.
opinionhead444 3 years ago
Well, I wouldn't actually agree entirely. I am a Catholic myself and I don't follow Pascal's Wager. But what I learned in Philosophy is that PW is more like saying if you believe and you are wrong, how is that any worse than where you are now? It's like Martin Luther King in the CRM. If he didn't succeed, how are AA's any worse than they would be. If he was right, there is alot to gain. that is the idea behind PW. Probably to say, "Take a risk", "Go For it" etc.
Stitchman3875 3 years ago
I don't agree with you totally either, but I think we see something deeper in the argument. It is not an argument meant to persuade like the ontological or teleological arguments for the existence of God. Those arguments are meant to convince. The wager is the same way, but it is more subtle in its formation and application. This may be why freethinkers like myself see through it.
opinionhead444 3 years ago
I would say that is closer to what was meant by it. In this particular case, it was aimed at faith. However the wager can be and has been used in other situations as well. So, it might be best not to read into it too much as a hidden agenda and all that. I would just stick with the "give it a shot" idea, which is what I was taught for it to mean.
Stitchman3875 3 years ago
Do we have to use Flying Spagetti monster? I mean isnt using GOD stupid enough.
JHLittleWing 4 years ago
"Do we have to use Flying Spagetti monster? I mean isnt using GOD stupid enough."
I agree. Analogies to analogies is pointless.
H3RM3S78 3 years ago
Don't call FSM stupid! Blessings be upon him. RAmen.
Flyborg 3 years ago
Like religious people today, paleolithic man from 500,000 years ago believed in an afterlife
but wishful thinking does not shape reality
and never did.
ukidding 4 years ago
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
daughtry4eva 4 years ago
Quite interesting
Epicureanparadox 4 years ago
I don't understand...so why is there no Big Banger?(I know that's amusing in England)But,if there is no cause for the singularity why even differentiate between events,say for example my pencil is 15 months old, but the constituent atoms are 15 billion years old? Age has no meaning in absolute terms,no? If matter is all that has ever existed then why do we have the concept of things not embodied in matter,e.g.,infinity,eternity,triangularity,nothingness.
PappyRoo 4 years ago
i think you bring up some very good points about atheism. Really, the only guarantee you have with an atheist, is that they lack a belief in deities, and that belief doesn't have to founded on rationality, unfortunately. Though, a possible reason why some atheists convert might be that the conversions are irrational atheists. It's a possiblity at least.
Bluedragon094 4 years ago 2
im agnostic, i can't stand listening to this shit, christians and atheist both don't want admit they don't know. forever, arrogant annoying noise makers
jubetube66 4 years ago
atheism is realism
religion is myth, superstition. fantasy..
some people like the idea of immortality...but nature doesn't.
ukidding 4 years ago
well said
daughtry4eva 4 years ago
uuuuh, why the fuck do u say "convert" to atheism. Is it also a religion? Cos if so, ur totally contradicting ur self pal!!
KaliberKing 4 years ago
Convert doesn't always have a religious connotation attached to it. I can convert sugar to alcohol. I can convert from believing to not believing. Also, a relgion is a set of beliefs. Atheism is a lack of belief. No belief= Not religious.
top2d2 4 years ago 2
the tru atheist wont go to heaven or hell when they die. becuz both God and satan haz no part in there livez. but one thing the atheist dont realize, yet, iz that they do have a soul. the physical diez, but the soul livz on. so i believe when a tru atheist diez they will be in a place far from God. and any place far from God'z presence u wont be a nice place, i tell ya...lol
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
correction: ...God respects the decision of the Atheist, thus, acknowledging tha He has no part in their souls. but satan iz different becuz he iz the Father of Liez...hmmm?
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
I am not converting
luxcretia2 4 years ago
This clown shot his fame wad with the blasphemy challenge, now he has nothing to offer new , can we get past him and move on
all your doing is keeping his laim name in the news and keeping him from getting a job
please move on now people !!
elroy2112 4 years ago
You obviously can't move on, because you decided to watch his video.
top2d2 4 years ago
one of his mindless minions put a link back to this video in my comments section on my
channel , No im well past this crap.
elroy2112 4 years ago
"Atheists convert because of fear of death" etc..how stupid , Antony flew in his latest book that came out last week "THERE IS A GOD" laughs at all the stupid fundamentalist atheists who tried to spread that false rumor
as flew says ive never believed in survival after death and still dont , but these clowns tried to say i converted because of fear of death LOL (((( fanstastic book by the way )))
elroy2112 4 years ago
Just thought I'd point out that people with Down's Syndrome do have Theory of Mind.
(see Wikipedia for the article Does the autistic child have a 'theory of mind'?)
AlwaysReadTheLabel 4 years ago
When an atheist converts to Christianity momentarily, they could have had a moment in time when they had a lapse in critical thinking. For atheists who convert to Christianity longer than a moment, your explanation does not suffice.
SageMetacognition 4 years ago
hahaha, thanks brian for explaining why i'm an atheist and cant fall in to the trap of religion seeing as i've been diagnosed with "Autisme Spectrum Distortion" XD
never knew that could've had anything to do with it lol :p
DLSS 4 years ago
You forgot the atheist that convert for money. In Italy if you convert you get payed. Also books of atheist converting and them giving speeches makes them a lot of money too.
Tacos25n28 4 years ago
What's the exchange rate for converting atheists to Christianity these days? When I was last in Italy, the conversion rate was 1342:1, but that was lire to dollars.
SageMetacognition 4 years ago
Lets see... Whos the big atheist turned christian? William J. Murray is one. He now lives a nice life being a believer when he was raised a atheist. Also wiki has many other atheist turned christian and have made money claiming that. Even though they have no proof of fist being more then a normal theist till they wanted to make money.
Tacos25n28 4 years ago
atheists convert due to fear and their brains melting.
Sin355 4 years ago 2
This guy jumps to a logical fallacy himself when he says "an invisible spaghetti monster made the pizza shop." That's NOT the argument. It shows a lack of understanding of what the argument is. The argument instead is "if there is a pizza shop, someone intelligent must have designed and built it." Period. The shop's existence is evidence of an intelligent designer.
rayh007 4 years ago
Very nice, and I've always been an Atheist, though I am part of a very Christian family. You're also on the money when you say some people with things such as Autism can't understand religion. I have Asperger's Syndrome (mild form of Autism) and don't understand why people believed in such things, even when I was younger, just thinking it was illogical and made no sense.
Anyway, keep up the videos and keep up the great work RRS.
mtp623 4 years ago
I too have Asperger's Syndrome and I certainly can't understand why people believe in god.
ardamels01 4 years ago
great video.. very informing!
protofear 4 years ago