you can't realy say this IS how a knife attack gonna look, i mean i have buddys that has been stab and cut, it all depends on the attacker, in 99% i would say the staber dosnt whant to kill, if you whant to kill some one i think it would look like this.
@SweStuff94 You are correct in understanding that there is a big difference between a threat display that turns into a warning attack and a straight out attempt at homicide. BUT since you can't be sure which 1 you may someday face, you best be ready to defend the homicide attempt.
Another thing I often point out to students is that if you train for the hard things, the easy stuff becomes even easier.
This reminds me of so many martial arts videos showing them block a slow staged punch and then they come back with a flury of fast counterstrikes as the person just stands there taking the fast counter strikes. I made robot punch arms that strike out at real human speeds, so I know the vids are BS because they'd never block that fast. Just like they can't do "simple" knife blocks, as this video shows. I will do a video time lapse of this video and send it to this channel..
@rbt4rbt You have to train yourself to the point where you tell your partner, just attack me however you want on whatever angle you want and keep it coming until I successfully defend the attack (which includes escaping the area).
If you can't do this, you aren't ready to defend yourself properly. One step sparring, like target shooting, is just a starting point. Unfortunately, many practitioners and instructors don't recognize this.
@bae313 So you're telling me a person just has to train to survive knife attacks. It has to be done a different angles and such. And when a person is really trained, then they can survive knife attacks?
You can do what you want with such wishful thinking. To me, it's absurd.
@rbt4rbt The point of these 3 "real knife attack" vid is to let people recognize that their current level of training is probably not sufficient to allow them to deal with a real knife attack.
Many people have survived real knife attacks, so it is possible. But they aren't doing so with "dojo" techniques because attackers don't attack using the "dojo" attack.
The goal is to learn & practice concepts that actually improve your chances for survival rather than just boost your ego with fheir BS.
@bae313 Your words here are gold and very well said. Highly agree, many people survive that fought back even though they were stabbed in various areas. Most people don't know they are stabbed till after the fight. Agree, we can improve our chances with good concepts, but most dojo concepts are a joke.
Being alert, keeping distance and fast unexpected "tools" against a knife sure helps, still nothing is 100% but at least we understand the reality.
Good vid, glad to see someone trying to take people out of the safe dojo training mentality. Real attacks are brutal and ongoing like you said, knife or no knife. I wish there were more courses that trained realistically.
@DrK4ZE Since u think u know so much... post a vid response showing yourself defending this attack by, "first grab their wrist to take control of the situation, then you take out your gun..." U can even modify your technique if needed.
I focus videos like this on guys like u.
Your comment shows how far out of touch with reality u are. The problem is that, often, guys like u are so ignorant to real word realities, that no evidence could be shown to get u to understand.
When I saw this video, before reading the comments, I thought 'that looks like a prison fight'. Really not the typical attacks seen in some other videos. Scary stuff. This is a back to reality video.
@cogentsmile Here's a story for u. My wife's ex & her twin's ex had a knife fight over the twin's ex telling my wife's ex that he needed to get his life together (using stronger language). Soon they're both armed with machetes (in the Philippines). When my wife & twin get the call from the twin's husband, it is that he killed my wife's ex. By the time they get home, the twin's husband bled out from a single small neck wound & though permanently disabled my wife's ex goes to jail.
never been in a knife attack thankfully, otherwise i doubt i would be typing this, but i do try to teach my students they will be cut and how to HOPEFULLY keep it to a minimum and get ahold of 911 services asap. the best they can wish for is a clumsy and slow ice pick style attack but even that wont end well. avoid shitty places as often as possible, keep a sharp eye and a small ego, i've made it 45 years that way. this video is a HUGE service to reality, thank you!
The average human has a 1.5 second response time when not expecting it to happen. This guy had stabed him three times before he realised what was going on, and then a second later was on the ground. If you dont see it coming, there's nothing you can really do to prevent it.
@1991Hatcher That's why I strongly promote situational awareness in all my classes. If u see a "thug" eyeing u & u leave the area, THAT is self defense as much as a disarm is. The difference is that your probability for success is higher by leaving the area than it is for the disarm.
Awareness also gives u a chance to see the knife coming out of concealment before it is already coming at u.
The earlier u recognize the threat, the greater your chances to dictate the outcome.
@mastrdanart Agree, check out the recent comment from DrK4ZE. Some people have conceptions that have NO BASIS in reality.
I actually started doing vids because I used to comment on BS techniques & got called out on "WTF do u know?". After posting some vids, I get A LOT more respect & have even gotten some people to take down some of their BS.
The problem with bad techniques is that they can build overconfidence that can get people killed when they use something that doesn't work.
I do think it is hard to say what a real knife attack consists of and doubt that everybody who is going to pull a knife on you is going to be as motivated as a prison yard assasin but this is an important video for sure. This is such a no win situation that one may as well try to grab and disarm that knife hand before it is stripped but all that does is give you a small chance. There are no magic moves for this kind of a situation. The best defense against a knife......Run!
@dutch04 Agree that attacks can come in many forms, but one thing is sure, they are not going to look like the "one step" defense techniques that are taught by many eastern and western martial classes.
It is a fact that if the attacker really wants to harm you, the attack will be ongoing and he is not going to stand there while you attempt to dictate the action.
Awareness, not running, is the best defense. If you recognize a threat, you can act accordingly before running is necessary.
Yep. Thats about what a smacked out punk arshole will likly do concidering the level of 'animal' aggression that is employed. Theres no thought process just pure agression and with absolutly no thought of personal injury. In other words these guys literally have NO FEAR. When you train to to defend against knife attacks you rearly get taught to defend against someone who only wants to kill you, no technique just pure fury. Even a gun is hard to use against this.
@salchuk1 You are exactly wrong. You are exactly the guy I am focusing this message at. This guy is coming at you planning to stab you 10 or more times. Stopping the first hit only means that you will now have to be ready to stop the next 10+ hits and subsequent hits will not be at the attacked area you just stopped.
so if you end up in this situation on the wrong side of a blade you are as good as dead. I don't think in reality you can stop this with any techniques, especially if you don't know that knife is involved, and you don't see it untill the last second...
@deyan999 You are selling yourself a bit short. Guys are attacked like this in jail all the time and many are at least able to survive. Mainly because of poor weapons and not many opportunities to train.
The big difference is outside of jail: 1. it is easier to avoid suspicious people you are aware of, 2. you can more easily arm yourself to motivate attackers to leave you alone and, 3. you have greater capacity to practice martial responses for this type of stuff.
As realistic as this, the one being attacked was not trained because if so his reflex in his footwork would have kicked in and he would have cut the center line of on coming attack not by moving backwards but moving to the outside gates. Preferably the attacking arm placing the back of the arm and shoulder in his center giving him a means of using the attackers balance and momentum and energy againt him.
Thats why your trained for Muscle mem! it must be a reflex reaction not a thought!
@zellymusic Nice points. Those are the basis of what I teach regardless of the weapon attacking you, unless you have cover or a defense that is far superior to the attack. Flanking an attack has been a road to success for a long time.
Most of this can be picked up by reading Musashi and Tzu. Add in a study of the O.O.D.A loop and then, conceptionally, you will be very far ahead of most martial artists.
Great video! Very, VERY realistic, not like all these fake videos, I would love to see how these "experts" defend against a REAL attack like this. Of course you could train and win, but this is as real as it gets!
bout time some one showed peeps how it is .....the only thing i would say about this demo is its more likely to be a suprise attack and the knife wouldnt have been on display
@mowgdog That's why being aware of your surroundings is so important. Awareness will give you the opportunity to ready a plan of action so that you will have a better chance to dictate the outcome.
The plan can be nothing more than keeping your eyes on the suspicious guy or leaving the area so that he won't have the opportunity to ambush you.
@bae313 good point, but also one of the things that cross my mind is the fact that most attackers that wont to do damage will use a smaller knife (hidden) others would use larger knifes to intimidate the victim, totally understand what you are saying bout surroundings though . know your surroundings ..basis of any martial art that is even close to effective ...along side know your enemy ....but most important know your self .thanks for info .keep up the good work bro
the first step in self-defence - situational awareness - no one should even let an armed assailant get this close in the first place . he who lives and runs away lives to fight another day . good reality check o.p
Great video. One of which I put in my video editor and went through it frame by frame to check real time of movements. MA is BS. No defense in such cases is 100% but I do feel confident my method puts the odds way in my favor. A person just can't stand there and expect to defend in such attacks.
this shows that people need to be way more aware, everywhere i go i not only have a knife with me, i study on what goes on around me and people are doing
very good...most thugs don't let you know what they are gonna do till they do it,they prefer sneak attacks such as the from behind sucker punch or outnumber you to block escape. I was a victim of the first one even though there were 5 guys the other 4 were too far behind the first to keep me from getting away. lucky I have a head like a brick and didn't go down but turned to face him and as I moved in he looked behind me and I turned to see them running at me.I was fortunate to be faster.
@dasdew2 How this affects you is that this could be the guy at the gas station asking you for money for the bus & after you tell him "sorry", he turns on you with knife in hand.
Awareness is the key to knowing that you may be in danger & from there you can take appropriate action to ready yourself for the attack.
See my videos: 1) "The 21 Foot Rule" Knife Wins Myth, Tueller Drill Advanced, & 2) Slasher Course Lesson IV culmination. These will get you headed in the right direction.
@dasdew2 Avoidance is key. Keep your distance. Avoid bad areas and shady looking people -- second and maybe first is running away too. Third, strike back anyway you can, get him to the ground, and retreat ASAP. Martial arts isn't a silver bullet. It's just there to help you sometimes.
Yup, that's definitely how a real knife attack might look. Not like an adoring, compliant student in a dojo making a single, off balance thrust in slow motion, then standing there motionless while his instructor beats him senseless. Good to see some truth for once.
@DaBlindKungFuMastuh That is the standard YouTube response that has no basis in reality. People like you are the reason the originators made the video and the reason I uploaded it and added it to my videos.
Get a clue sir because currently you don't have one.
Like my teacher has told me. "I can teach you how to defend from a knife if they attack like this, or this or this. But no one really fights with a knife like that unless you are sparing with a fellow student, or your attacker is scared of you. In real life, if someone does the prison yard rush on you, you're going to get stabbed. And probably several times."
Ok let's clear the air here. Defense opinions vary from person to person , style to style. Awareness is the biggest problem since most of the knife attacks I've seen in my 44 years on this planet have been blind sided attacks. I don't care if your the supreme master of every fighting art on earth, It's pretty hard to defend against what you don't see coming. These little drills look great in the dojo , and even greater at the exhibitions at tournaments.
@SuperCatfishdude If it was real there would have been A LOT of blood. Search more vids for real ones. They are out there. If you find them, you will quickly notice that a real knife attack is nothing like 95% of the knife defense videos on YouTube. You will also notice, as I have, that in real knife attacks, no one is using any of the "nice", "sterile" disarms that so many youtube posters want to teach you.
Soooooo basically, if the bad guy has a knife and is willing to use it, you're screwed. Period. About the only thing you can do against this is look into getting some kinda hardcore stab-proof armor for daily wear and then hope he doesn't go for your head or neck.
@darkwriter77 No. The point is, that a knife attack is much more dangerous than the karate guys posting videos would have you believe. You have to formulate a defense that can deal with this kind of attack. Not one where the attacker "feeds" you one attack and then "dead fishes" while you respond. Awareness of the probability of an attack is also critical. If you aren't ready before this attack starts, you are toast. Defending this attack is the acid test like the Tueller Drill is for gun guys.
@bae313 True. Even as a teenager, when I was heavy into martial arts practice, I knew that about 95% of the crap most instructors tried to teach folks regarding defense against knives was useless Hollwood-based garbage. Truth is you CAN technically survive a knife attack, but only if you see it coming. But if someone is determined to knife you (whether to rob or just kill you), you WILL NOT see it coming, because it'll happen when you least expect it and be over before you know what hit you.
@darkwriter77 Yes, awareness is key. Instructors that aren't teaching awareness are setting students up for failure on their "1 in a million day". Instructors must also emphasize strategies to employ once a student's "spider sense" alarm rings. Many times, simple actions taken when you think there is a problem will thwart the problem before the threat launches his plan. Just looking around & NOTICING a person lurking in a shadow & then keeping an eye on him will force him to look for other prey.
@Taz0161 Awareness is more important. In order to respond in a timely manner, you have to see the problem before it gets to you. Add a defensive response that you have practiced 1000's of times in realistic scenarios & you will have time to deploy that also.
I train for my freedom. I don't want to "run" because there are 2 thugs hanging out by my car at 3 AM. I have a right to go directly to my car, rather than to have to run or be robbed. When they see me coming they know they have a problem
I don't know if you're able to react that fast if you haven't trained on situations like these, but is there a possibility to quickly lay on the ground when he's runs at you so he would fall over you? Or lay on the ground and then quickly kick up at his stomach? Or is this just foolish?
@Esets A bit foolish. You need mobility when attacked with a knife. Laying on your back while a guy is running around trying to knife you is a bad place to be. Even if he falls over you or you kick him in the stomach, now the two of you are laying on the ground and he will still probably have the knife.
In judo/juijitsu there is a throw called tomoe nage where you fall back & put your leg into his stomach & throw him over you, but you could easily be seriously cut while doing this.
@HairofSteel555 99.9999999% of the time you won't even be able to pull out your knife before you realize what just happened. Nobody is going to show you a knife for you to ready yourself.
@DespairIIIX LOL, you're sooo right! I get a kick out of the 1 step karate style knife defense techniques I see on YouTube. I start my students with situational awareness & intervals before they attempt their 1st counters. Situational awareness includes topics like, avoiding potential ambush situations & responding to potential contact by "blading" the body & palming a knife before contact occurs.
If a potential threat sees you as a potential threat, he is going to go look for easier prey.
@HairofSteel555 Right. You actually think you could manage to draw a knife and use it to defend yourself against that kind of attack? Make no mistake, there is a huge difference between a knife attack, and a threat display. A knife attack, you won't even see it coming. He's not going to show you the knife, and posture. He's going to draw it, and use it, before you even realize what's happening.
@Ctserber2237 Awareness has to part of a self defense plan. Many instructors think they're teaching self defense, but are really only teaching are self d techniques.
The 1st step in self d is awareness. "Why is that dude so close to me & what is he doing?" Most people don't even notice the threat, never mind seeing it & asking yourself, "why is he looking @ me & walking directly towards me?"
The 2nd step is teaching legal justifications for self d.
Fabulous. That is EXACTLY how bad it gets. I was a mortician in San Jose and worked gang members with more stab wounds than you would believe from attacks of VERY short duration. One guy had ten major stab wounds from an attack somewhere around 3-4 seconds. The deceased had major defense wounds all over his left arm, one puncture completely through his left hand, and his left subclavian artery was cut (that one ended up bleeding him out). Train to attack like you see, and defend against it too.
@bae313 I couldnt have said it better myself I directed some poor mislead souls to this video tonight from the "Gracie Knife Defense" video, I would like you to have a look at it and offer some feed back to those Gracie Nuts over there, its sad how those guys lead these kids by their noses and their wallets and to the delusion that they are learning to defend against a Knife
@bvshr I've commented on that vid before. Reminds me of a Kim's Tae Kwon Do instructor in New Jersey telling us that TKD builds confidence & "confidence is the best self defense" because thugs avoid people with confidence. Confidence will not overcome a real attacker who's window of opportunity is now because you're alone, it's dark & you look like you might have something he wants. Then you need something that works against a realistic attack & that's not the knife defense sold by the Gracies.
At that distance guy should of done a defensive kick to chest!
Block with simultaneous attack to chin and control that arm then a good kick to balls then disarm! Because usually after first clock on chin/throat with your fist and body weight and his momentum would probs stun him to control!
But as my Krav Maga instructors have always said best and safest solution is get out of there!
But shows realistic knife attack! And this is why after you have the muscle memory of a technique you must
@benkins88 Most modern styles avoid starting a knife defense by kicking because 1) your leg could easily be cut deep 2) standing on 1 leg, you could easily fall as your kick crashes into an attacking body. Both of these situations limit your ability to avoid the knife.
Fighting head on vs a knife equals big injury. Attackers WILL react to a kick.
Use proper equipment & your technique to defend THIS attack @ full speed & contact. Film & post a vid reply. Fall or knife to leg = failure.
@mirkoninjutsu It does appear to be missing some frames during the 5th through 8th stab, everything else seems regular though. I didn't produce the vid and I don't know anything about the people who did. They may have intended it or frames may have been lost during many uploads and downloads. I downloaded it and then uploaded it for my channel due to it's realism and relevance when so many knife fighting videos on YouTube show unrealistic attacks and thus unrelevant responses..
I understand! The most critical part in any technic, especially in this scenario, the most critical part is just before the first contact. That's the reason I feel sorry about lost frames. The story later is quite obvious (and easy for attackers). But usually what defender manage to complete before the release the attack - that's it. Otherwise he is dead!
@mirkoninjutsu That's 1 of the things I emphasize to my students. You have to have a first move preprogrammed. In this video, the guy drops center and attempts to meet force with force and winds up static and re-acting to late to the weapon attack. He gets behind and never has a chance to catch up. Your first move either has to take you off the line of attack and allow you an avenue of escape or it has to simultaneously stop his initial attack while attacking him to put him on the defensive.
@ bae313 I like alot of Vunak's empty hand instruction as well as Kelly Mcann A.k.a Jim Grover. How do you feel about flow drills ? And or Kata, Personally I think they are very misleading and a waste of time. I have seen videos where for example a guy will have a student launch a pre-arranged knife attack and simply wave it downward with a hand movement, I think its dangerous to even have people practice the movements for fear they ingrain bad habits. I believe in keeping sequences short and r
@bvshr I use flow drills to build a continuity of movement & sensativity to how my opponent is moving. I have a vid of my son & I doing them & wing chun purists give me thumbs down because they don't like how i do them or my technique is wrong. BUT I'm not doing them for the same reason they are. I'm just trying to keep my hands "punching" in bunches & to have that sensativity that will help me find trapping opportunities. No partner, then kata's good. Real fights take 2, train for a real fight.
I have studied knife work since I was a kid and came to the conclusion a long time ago that knife defense instruction as we know it is weak with very few exceptions, this video is a hard piece of reality. I have had morons tell me things like " you'll never get a knife that close to my instructor he's jujitsu master" or just kick the knife out of his hand! When it comes to real combat fools don't survive 1st contact, I have gotten away from most not all traditional martial arts, these days the
@bvshr If u attack as the master asks, he can stop it ;-D Few "masters" have updated their systems to defend modern knife attacks. Studying Okinawan arts from fellow Marines (80s) I relearned 2 knife counters taught in basic training . Same thing when I studied Tae Kwon Do from Marines. Studying Shorin Ryu I never saw 1 knife counter on the way to a black belt. I did learn more from Togakure Ryu, Echanis & later Janich & Vunak. Now I teach a very complete & very long & detailed knife system.
My below comments where intended for the gracie knife defense video. This video was poetry in motion. Just had to clarify since it wont allow me to remove the comment
This was a pathetic video, these guys are bragerts who are selling their style to any fool who'll buy it.# 1. Real knifers don't freeze up as soon as you touch them. WEAPONS CHANGE EVERYTHING!!!. I highly sugguest anyone who's interested in the subject to read "Put'em Down Take'em Out by: Don Pentecost. #2. Take a red magic marker and have sparring sessions and try to stay clean (Evil Laugh) #3. When considering knife defense some concepts you should keep in mind are Simultaneous attack and
@bvshr I agree with u on several points. Unfortunately, many people force bad solutions from their art when others have better answers. Expand horizons with an art that adds something to your arsenal. Over time blend the systems so that the previous separate concepts complement each other so well that they become 1 set of new concepts. This is what I have been doing with firearms, knife, batons & empty hand fighting for years. Grappling & disarms should be last resort when facing a knife attack.
you can learn how to fight your whole life, but when it comes to fight against armed enemy, you are just as helpless as a five years old child. There's no possible way to win ,so don't even bother trying. Unless you wanna end up on stretcher or ossuary.
My intergrated defensive system includes handguns, knives, batons & hand to hand (I prefer to teach them in that order). Handguns are great equalizers & require little instruction to acquire lethal force. However, in being civily resposible, we should use the least force necessary. If I'm pumping gas & a "begger" approaches, I'm gonna verbally disuade him. If he closes brandish a knife before a firearm. If he goes for a weapon, then it's bang! Basic skills must advance to scenario simulations.
you can't realy say this IS how a knife attack gonna look, i mean i have buddys that has been stab and cut, it all depends on the attacker, in 99% i would say the staber dosnt whant to kill, if you whant to kill some one i think it would look like this.
SweStuff94 2 days ago
@SweStuff94 You are correct in understanding that there is a big difference between a threat display that turns into a warning attack and a straight out attempt at homicide. BUT since you can't be sure which 1 you may someday face, you best be ready to defend the homicide attempt.
Another thing I often point out to students is that if you train for the hard things, the easy stuff becomes even easier.
bae313 1 day ago
This reminds me of so many martial arts videos showing them block a slow staged punch and then they come back with a flury of fast counterstrikes as the person just stands there taking the fast counter strikes. I made robot punch arms that strike out at real human speeds, so I know the vids are BS because they'd never block that fast. Just like they can't do "simple" knife blocks, as this video shows. I will do a video time lapse of this video and send it to this channel..
rbt4rbt 3 days ago
@rbt4rbt You have to train yourself to the point where you tell your partner, just attack me however you want on whatever angle you want and keep it coming until I successfully defend the attack (which includes escaping the area).
If you can't do this, you aren't ready to defend yourself properly. One step sparring, like target shooting, is just a starting point. Unfortunately, many practitioners and instructors don't recognize this.
bae313 1 day ago
@bae313 So you're telling me a person just has to train to survive knife attacks. It has to be done a different angles and such. And when a person is really trained, then they can survive knife attacks?
You can do what you want with such wishful thinking. To me, it's absurd.
rbt4rbt 1 day ago
@rbt4rbt The point of these 3 "real knife attack" vid is to let people recognize that their current level of training is probably not sufficient to allow them to deal with a real knife attack.
Many people have survived real knife attacks, so it is possible. But they aren't doing so with "dojo" techniques because attackers don't attack using the "dojo" attack.
The goal is to learn & practice concepts that actually improve your chances for survival rather than just boost your ego with fheir BS.
bae313 12 hours ago
@bae313 Your words here are gold and very well said. Highly agree, many people survive that fought back even though they were stabbed in various areas. Most people don't know they are stabbed till after the fight. Agree, we can improve our chances with good concepts, but most dojo concepts are a joke.
Being alert, keeping distance and fast unexpected "tools" against a knife sure helps, still nothing is 100% but at least we understand the reality.
Peace brother.
rbt4rbt 10 hours ago
Good vid, glad to see someone trying to take people out of the safe dojo training mentality. Real attacks are brutal and ongoing like you said, knife or no knife. I wish there were more courses that trained realistically.
thirdeyenz 3 days ago
THAT is how you attack someone with a knife
mrmaigo 3 days ago
good reality video, don't see enough of these
mabroussardii 6 days ago
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DrK4ZE 1 week ago
@DrK4ZE Since u think u know so much... post a vid response showing yourself defending this attack by, "first grab their wrist to take control of the situation, then you take out your gun..." U can even modify your technique if needed.
I focus videos like this on guys like u.
Your comment shows how far out of touch with reality u are. The problem is that, often, guys like u are so ignorant to real word realities, that no evidence could be shown to get u to understand.
bae313 1 week ago
When I saw this video, before reading the comments, I thought 'that looks like a prison fight'. Really not the typical attacks seen in some other videos. Scary stuff. This is a back to reality video.
001Rupes 3 weeks ago
Knife Fighting: Losers die at the scene, winners die at the hospital.
cogentsmile 3 weeks ago
@cogentsmile Here's a story for u. My wife's ex & her twin's ex had a knife fight over the twin's ex telling my wife's ex that he needed to get his life together (using stronger language). Soon they're both armed with machetes (in the Philippines). When my wife & twin get the call from the twin's husband, it is that he killed my wife's ex. By the time they get home, the twin's husband bled out from a single small neck wound & though permanently disabled my wife's ex goes to jail.
bae313 3 weeks ago
never been in a knife attack thankfully, otherwise i doubt i would be typing this, but i do try to teach my students they will be cut and how to HOPEFULLY keep it to a minimum and get ahold of 911 services asap. the best they can wish for is a clumsy and slow ice pick style attack but even that wont end well. avoid shitty places as often as possible, keep a sharp eye and a small ego, i've made it 45 years that way. this video is a HUGE service to reality, thank you!
MrByaeger 3 weeks ago
That was way to real looking. It gives you a whole different attitude about knife defense.
mightymate1 1 month ago
The average human has a 1.5 second response time when not expecting it to happen. This guy had stabed him three times before he realised what was going on, and then a second later was on the ground. If you dont see it coming, there's nothing you can really do to prevent it.
1991Hatcher 1 month ago 4
@1991Hatcher That's why I strongly promote situational awareness in all my classes. If u see a "thug" eyeing u & u leave the area, THAT is self defense as much as a disarm is. The difference is that your probability for success is higher by leaving the area than it is for the disarm.
Awareness also gives u a chance to see the knife coming out of concealment before it is already coming at u.
The earlier u recognize the threat, the greater your chances to dictate the outcome.
bae313 1 month ago 2
@bae313 absolutely well said.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
@bae313 very true!
mastrdanart 1 week ago
@bae313 very true! you have people teaching techniques that have no real experience. How can one really teach what he has not experienced .
mastrdanart 1 week ago
@mastrdanart Agree, check out the recent comment from DrK4ZE. Some people have conceptions that have NO BASIS in reality.
I actually started doing vids because I used to comment on BS techniques & got called out on "WTF do u know?". After posting some vids, I get A LOT more respect & have even gotten some people to take down some of their BS.
The problem with bad techniques is that they can build overconfidence that can get people killed when they use something that doesn't work.
bae313 1 week ago
I do think it is hard to say what a real knife attack consists of and doubt that everybody who is going to pull a knife on you is going to be as motivated as a prison yard assasin but this is an important video for sure. This is such a no win situation that one may as well try to grab and disarm that knife hand before it is stripped but all that does is give you a small chance. There are no magic moves for this kind of a situation. The best defense against a knife......Run!
dutch04 1 month ago 2
@dutch04 Agree that attacks can come in many forms, but one thing is sure, they are not going to look like the "one step" defense techniques that are taught by many eastern and western martial classes.
It is a fact that if the attacker really wants to harm you, the attack will be ongoing and he is not going to stand there while you attempt to dictate the action.
Awareness, not running, is the best defense. If you recognize a threat, you can act accordingly before running is necessary.
bae313 1 month ago 2
I wish all those "Systema" people would see this. Might save a life or two
ennot 1 month ago 2
@ennot no doubt. Awareness, distance, speed, and perhaps a firearm.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
Yep. Thats about what a smacked out punk arshole will likly do concidering the level of 'animal' aggression that is employed. Theres no thought process just pure agression and with absolutly no thought of personal injury. In other words these guys literally have NO FEAR. When you train to to defend against knife attacks you rearly get taught to defend against someone who only wants to kill you, no technique just pure fury. Even a gun is hard to use against this.
Good post
rapiercutsdeep 1 month ago
If you can somehow stop the first HIT the rest are not gonna happen.
salchuk1 1 month ago
@salchuk1 You are exactly wrong. You are exactly the guy I am focusing this message at. This guy is coming at you planning to stab you 10 or more times. Stopping the first hit only means that you will now have to be ready to stop the next 10+ hits and subsequent hits will not be at the attacked area you just stopped.
One step techniques are a guarantee for failure.
bae313 1 month ago 6
so if you end up in this situation on the wrong side of a blade you are as good as dead. I don't think in reality you can stop this with any techniques, especially if you don't know that knife is involved, and you don't see it untill the last second...
deyan999 1 month ago
@deyan999 You are selling yourself a bit short. Guys are attacked like this in jail all the time and many are at least able to survive. Mainly because of poor weapons and not many opportunities to train.
The big difference is outside of jail: 1. it is easier to avoid suspicious people you are aware of, 2. you can more easily arm yourself to motivate attackers to leave you alone and, 3. you have greater capacity to practice martial responses for this type of stuff.
bae313 1 month ago
@bae313 thank you everything you say is true, but is there a martial response to this type of attack.
deyan999 1 month ago
@deyan999 Of course there are, BUT they are not the one step techniques taught by traditional Asian or Western schools.
bae313 1 month ago
As realistic as this, the one being attacked was not trained because if so his reflex in his footwork would have kicked in and he would have cut the center line of on coming attack not by moving backwards but moving to the outside gates. Preferably the attacking arm placing the back of the arm and shoulder in his center giving him a means of using the attackers balance and momentum and energy againt him.
Thats why your trained for Muscle mem! it must be a reflex reaction not a thought!
zellymusic 1 month ago
@zellymusic Nice points. Those are the basis of what I teach regardless of the weapon attacking you, unless you have cover or a defense that is far superior to the attack. Flanking an attack has been a road to success for a long time.
Most of this can be picked up by reading Musashi and Tzu. Add in a study of the O.O.D.A loop and then, conceptionally, you will be very far ahead of most martial artists.
bae313 1 month ago
Great video! Very, VERY realistic, not like all these fake videos, I would love to see how these "experts" defend against a REAL attack like this. Of course you could train and win, but this is as real as it gets!
28DaysLaterEpidemic 1 month ago
Thank you thank you thank you......finally a realistic knife attack....
mojonm 1 month ago
bout time some one showed peeps how it is .....the only thing i would say about this demo is its more likely to be a suprise attack and the knife wouldnt have been on display
mowgdog 1 month ago
@mowgdog That's why being aware of your surroundings is so important. Awareness will give you the opportunity to ready a plan of action so that you will have a better chance to dictate the outcome.
The plan can be nothing more than keeping your eyes on the suspicious guy or leaving the area so that he won't have the opportunity to ambush you.
bae313 1 month ago
@bae313 good point, but also one of the things that cross my mind is the fact that most attackers that wont to do damage will use a smaller knife (hidden) others would use larger knifes to intimidate the victim, totally understand what you are saying bout surroundings though . know your surroundings ..basis of any martial art that is even close to effective ...along side know your enemy ....but most important know your self .thanks for info .keep up the good work bro
mowgdog 1 month ago
the first step in self-defence - situational awareness - no one should even let an armed assailant get this close in the first place . he who lives and runs away lives to fight another day . good reality check o.p
WatfordDan34 1 month ago
Great video. One of which I put in my video editor and went through it frame by frame to check real time of movements. MA is BS. No defense in such cases is 100% but I do feel confident my method puts the odds way in my favor. A person just can't stand there and expect to defend in such attacks.
rbt4rbt 1 month ago
this shows that people need to be way more aware, everywhere i go i not only have a knife with me, i study on what goes on around me and people are doing
coyote545454 1 month ago
very good...most thugs don't let you know what they are gonna do till they do it,they prefer sneak attacks such as the from behind sucker punch or outnumber you to block escape. I was a victim of the first one even though there were 5 guys the other 4 were too far behind the first to keep me from getting away. lucky I have a head like a brick and didn't go down but turned to face him and as I moved in he looked behind me and I turned to see them running at me.I was fortunate to be faster.
yetitracker 1 month ago 3
@yetitracker wow, good thing it wasn't a knife attack,bet you are more aware of what people are doing around you now.
bae313 1 month ago 2
Hes to close for me to take out my sigP226 9mm ,should i just run?Seroiusly how do i defend myself against this guy? Any tips.
dasdew2 1 month ago
@dasdew2 How this affects you is that this could be the guy at the gas station asking you for money for the bus & after you tell him "sorry", he turns on you with knife in hand.
Awareness is the key to knowing that you may be in danger & from there you can take appropriate action to ready yourself for the attack.
See my videos: 1) "The 21 Foot Rule" Knife Wins Myth, Tueller Drill Advanced, & 2) Slasher Course Lesson IV culmination. These will get you headed in the right direction.
bae313 1 month ago
@dasdew2 Avoidance is key. Keep your distance. Avoid bad areas and shady looking people -- second and maybe first is running away too. Third, strike back anyway you can, get him to the ground, and retreat ASAP. Martial arts isn't a silver bullet. It's just there to help you sometimes.
stevespielberg 1 month ago
Yup, that's definitely how a real knife attack might look. Not like an adoring, compliant student in a dojo making a single, off balance thrust in slow motion, then standing there motionless while his instructor beats him senseless. Good to see some truth for once.
carnivalwrestler 1 month ago 6
FINALLY something realistic!
tonganbabe98 1 month ago 3
Best Defense tips against knife attack:
Step 1: Have a Gun
Step 2: Know Kung Fu
DaBlindKungFuMastuh 1 month ago
@DaBlindKungFuMastuh That is the standard YouTube response that has no basis in reality. People like you are the reason the originators made the video and the reason I uploaded it and added it to my videos.
Get a clue sir because currently you don't have one.
bae313 1 month ago 4
Excellent point.
fields34 1 month ago
Almost everything related to martial arts/self defense on youtube is BS - nice to see something realistic for a change! Thumbs up
Theriomalstrom 2 months ago
Like my teacher has told me. "I can teach you how to defend from a knife if they attack like this, or this or this. But no one really fights with a knife like that unless you are sparing with a fellow student, or your attacker is scared of you. In real life, if someone does the prison yard rush on you, you're going to get stabbed. And probably several times."
DrInsane44 2 months ago
much respect for this, it's brutally honest. a lot of people are kidding themselves.
IwatchesTehBBC 2 months ago
Ok let's clear the air here. Defense opinions vary from person to person , style to style. Awareness is the biggest problem since most of the knife attacks I've seen in my 44 years on this planet have been blind sided attacks. I don't care if your the supreme master of every fighting art on earth, It's pretty hard to defend against what you don't see coming. These little drills look great in the dojo , and even greater at the exhibitions at tournaments.
Taz0161 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Taz0161 That's the whole point. If what you are doing, can't stand up to this kind of assualt, you are practicing for the wrong thing.
bae313 2 months ago
is this real?
SuperCatfishdude 2 months ago
@SuperCatfishdude If it was real there would have been A LOT of blood. Search more vids for real ones. They are out there. If you find them, you will quickly notice that a real knife attack is nothing like 95% of the knife defense videos on YouTube. You will also notice, as I have, that in real knife attacks, no one is using any of the "nice", "sterile" disarms that so many youtube posters want to teach you.
bae313 2 months ago
Soooooo basically, if the bad guy has a knife and is willing to use it, you're screwed. Period. About the only thing you can do against this is look into getting some kinda hardcore stab-proof armor for daily wear and then hope he doesn't go for your head or neck.
darkwriter77 2 months ago
@darkwriter77 No. The point is, that a knife attack is much more dangerous than the karate guys posting videos would have you believe. You have to formulate a defense that can deal with this kind of attack. Not one where the attacker "feeds" you one attack and then "dead fishes" while you respond. Awareness of the probability of an attack is also critical. If you aren't ready before this attack starts, you are toast. Defending this attack is the acid test like the Tueller Drill is for gun guys.
bae313 2 months ago
@bae313 True. Even as a teenager, when I was heavy into martial arts practice, I knew that about 95% of the crap most instructors tried to teach folks regarding defense against knives was useless Hollwood-based garbage. Truth is you CAN technically survive a knife attack, but only if you see it coming. But if someone is determined to knife you (whether to rob or just kill you), you WILL NOT see it coming, because it'll happen when you least expect it and be over before you know what hit you.
darkwriter77 2 months ago
@darkwriter77 Yes, awareness is key. Instructors that aren't teaching awareness are setting students up for failure on their "1 in a million day". Instructors must also emphasize strategies to employ once a student's "spider sense" alarm rings. Many times, simple actions taken when you think there is a problem will thwart the problem before the threat launches his plan. Just looking around & NOTICING a person lurking in a shadow & then keeping an eye on him will force him to look for other prey.
bae313 2 months ago
@darkwriter77 Actually the best defense against a knife attack is don't be there. You got 2 legs , run !
Taz0161 2 months ago
@Taz0161 Awareness is more important. In order to respond in a timely manner, you have to see the problem before it gets to you. Add a defensive response that you have practiced 1000's of times in realistic scenarios & you will have time to deploy that also.
I train for my freedom. I don't want to "run" because there are 2 thugs hanging out by my car at 3 AM. I have a right to go directly to my car, rather than to have to run or be robbed. When they see me coming they know they have a problem
bae313 2 months ago
I don't know if you're able to react that fast if you haven't trained on situations like these, but is there a possibility to quickly lay on the ground when he's runs at you so he would fall over you? Or lay on the ground and then quickly kick up at his stomach? Or is this just foolish?
Esets 2 months ago
@Esets A bit foolish. You need mobility when attacked with a knife. Laying on your back while a guy is running around trying to knife you is a bad place to be. Even if he falls over you or you kick him in the stomach, now the two of you are laying on the ground and he will still probably have the knife.
In judo/juijitsu there is a throw called tomoe nage where you fall back & put your leg into his stomach & throw him over you, but you could easily be seriously cut while doing this.
bae313 2 months ago
Reasons like this are why I still carry a knife, on top of 13 years of combat training...
HairofSteel555 3 months ago
@HairofSteel555 99.9999999% of the time you won't even be able to pull out your knife before you realize what just happened. Nobody is going to show you a knife for you to ready yourself.
DespairIIIX 3 months ago
@DespairIIIX LOL, you're sooo right! I get a kick out of the 1 step karate style knife defense techniques I see on YouTube. I start my students with situational awareness & intervals before they attempt their 1st counters. Situational awareness includes topics like, avoiding potential ambush situations & responding to potential contact by "blading" the body & palming a knife before contact occurs.
If a potential threat sees you as a potential threat, he is going to go look for easier prey.
bae313 3 months ago
@HairofSteel555 Right. You actually think you could manage to draw a knife and use it to defend yourself against that kind of attack? Make no mistake, there is a huge difference between a knife attack, and a threat display. A knife attack, you won't even see it coming. He's not going to show you the knife, and posture. He's going to draw it, and use it, before you even realize what's happening.
Ctserber2237 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Ctserber2237 Awareness has to part of a self defense plan. Many instructors think they're teaching self defense, but are really only teaching are self d techniques.
The 1st step in self d is awareness. "Why is that dude so close to me & what is he doing?" Most people don't even notice the threat, never mind seeing it & asking yourself, "why is he looking @ me & walking directly towards me?"
The 2nd step is teaching legal justifications for self d.
Ingrain these with the basic lessons.
bae313 2 months ago
VERY GOOD VID!
thank you so much for posting it.
this is a real knife attack, not what you see in all those martial arts clips (don t matter if it s krav maga, wing chun or whats however!).
NDoraku 3 months ago
Fabulous. That is EXACTLY how bad it gets. I was a mortician in San Jose and worked gang members with more stab wounds than you would believe from attacks of VERY short duration. One guy had ten major stab wounds from an attack somewhere around 3-4 seconds. The deceased had major defense wounds all over his left arm, one puncture completely through his left hand, and his left subclavian artery was cut (that one ended up bleeding him out). Train to attack like you see, and defend against it too.
coeloptera 4 months ago
How to defend from a knife attack: DONT END UP IN PRISON...
GZYbaby 4 months ago 22
When a knife is involved in a fight , you WILL be cut . Its as simple as that .
monkofunk212 5 months ago 27
@monkofunk212 that's true, even knowing all the techniques very well, you still have a chance of being stabbed
seusgordo 4 months ago
@monkofunk212
Wrong... but having that attitude may help you get cut. FAIL.
Don't get cut. It is not a requirement IN REALITY.
danielskipp1 3 weeks ago
no matter normal grip or reverse,thats how it is!!!
cheneyxxxxx 5 months ago
@bae313 I couldnt have said it better myself I directed some poor mislead souls to this video tonight from the "Gracie Knife Defense" video, I would like you to have a look at it and offer some feed back to those Gracie Nuts over there, its sad how those guys lead these kids by their noses and their wallets and to the delusion that they are learning to defend against a Knife
bvshr 5 months ago
@bvshr I've commented on that vid before. Reminds me of a Kim's Tae Kwon Do instructor in New Jersey telling us that TKD builds confidence & "confidence is the best self defense" because thugs avoid people with confidence. Confidence will not overcome a real attacker who's window of opportunity is now because you're alone, it's dark & you look like you might have something he wants. Then you need something that works against a realistic attack & that's not the knife defense sold by the Gracies.
bae313 5 months ago
At that distance guy should of done a defensive kick to chest!
Block with simultaneous attack to chin and control that arm then a good kick to balls then disarm! Because usually after first clock on chin/throat with your fist and body weight and his momentum would probs stun him to control!
But as my Krav Maga instructors have always said best and safest solution is get out of there!
But shows realistic knife attack! And this is why after you have the muscle memory of a technique you must
benkins88 6 months ago
@benkins88 Most modern styles avoid starting a knife defense by kicking because 1) your leg could easily be cut deep 2) standing on 1 leg, you could easily fall as your kick crashes into an attacking body. Both of these situations limit your ability to avoid the knife.
Fighting head on vs a knife equals big injury. Attackers WILL react to a kick.
Use proper equipment & your technique to defend THIS attack @ full speed & contact. Film & post a vid reply. Fall or knife to leg = failure.
bae313 6 months ago
@benkins88
"Done a defensive kick to the chest!"
Yeah, I hope you like shoved to the floor off of your one standing leg while a knife sinks into your femoral.
Orthrus 3 months ago
@bae13 Awesome video, thanks for posting.
dspisegna 6 months ago
Why is this video sped up?
The story behind is absolutely true. People in martial arts generally have very poor training against knife attack!
mirkoninjutsu 6 months ago
@mirkoninjutsu It does appear to be missing some frames during the 5th through 8th stab, everything else seems regular though. I didn't produce the vid and I don't know anything about the people who did. They may have intended it or frames may have been lost during many uploads and downloads. I downloaded it and then uploaded it for my channel due to it's realism and relevance when so many knife fighting videos on YouTube show unrealistic attacks and thus unrelevant responses..
bae313 6 months ago
@bae313
I understand! The most critical part in any technic, especially in this scenario, the most critical part is just before the first contact. That's the reason I feel sorry about lost frames. The story later is quite obvious (and easy for attackers). But usually what defender manage to complete before the release the attack - that's it. Otherwise he is dead!
mirkoninjutsu 6 months ago
@mirkoninjutsu That's 1 of the things I emphasize to my students. You have to have a first move preprogrammed. In this video, the guy drops center and attempts to meet force with force and winds up static and re-acting to late to the weapon attack. He gets behind and never has a chance to catch up. Your first move either has to take you off the line of attack and allow you an avenue of escape or it has to simultaneously stop his initial attack while attacking him to put him on the defensive.
bae313 6 months ago
@bae313
Exactly, just like that!!!
mirkoninjutsu 6 months ago
@ bae313 I like alot of Vunak's empty hand instruction as well as Kelly Mcann A.k.a Jim Grover. How do you feel about flow drills ? And or Kata, Personally I think they are very misleading and a waste of time. I have seen videos where for example a guy will have a student launch a pre-arranged knife attack and simply wave it downward with a hand movement, I think its dangerous to even have people practice the movements for fear they ingrain bad habits. I believe in keeping sequences short and r
bvshr 6 months ago
@bvshr I use flow drills to build a continuity of movement & sensativity to how my opponent is moving. I have a vid of my son & I doing them & wing chun purists give me thumbs down because they don't like how i do them or my technique is wrong. BUT I'm not doing them for the same reason they are. I'm just trying to keep my hands "punching" in bunches & to have that sensativity that will help me find trapping opportunities. No partner, then kata's good. Real fights take 2, train for a real fight.
bae313 6 months ago
I have studied knife work since I was a kid and came to the conclusion a long time ago that knife defense instruction as we know it is weak with very few exceptions, this video is a hard piece of reality. I have had morons tell me things like " you'll never get a knife that close to my instructor he's jujitsu master" or just kick the knife out of his hand! When it comes to real combat fools don't survive 1st contact, I have gotten away from most not all traditional martial arts, these days the
bvshr 7 months ago
@bvshr If u attack as the master asks, he can stop it ;-D Few "masters" have updated their systems to defend modern knife attacks. Studying Okinawan arts from fellow Marines (80s) I relearned 2 knife counters taught in basic training . Same thing when I studied Tae Kwon Do from Marines. Studying Shorin Ryu I never saw 1 knife counter on the way to a black belt. I did learn more from Togakure Ryu, Echanis & later Janich & Vunak. Now I teach a very complete & very long & detailed knife system.
bae313 7 months ago
My below comments where intended for the gracie knife defense video. This video was poetry in motion. Just had to clarify since it wont allow me to remove the comment
bvshr 7 months ago
This was a pathetic video, these guys are bragerts who are selling their style to any fool who'll buy it.# 1. Real knifers don't freeze up as soon as you touch them. WEAPONS CHANGE EVERYTHING!!!. I highly sugguest anyone who's interested in the subject to read "Put'em Down Take'em Out by: Don Pentecost. #2. Take a red magic marker and have sparring sessions and try to stay clean (Evil Laugh) #3. When considering knife defense some concepts you should keep in mind are Simultaneous attack and
bvshr 7 months ago
@bvshr I agree with u on several points. Unfortunately, many people force bad solutions from their art when others have better answers. Expand horizons with an art that adds something to your arsenal. Over time blend the systems so that the previous separate concepts complement each other so well that they become 1 set of new concepts. This is what I have been doing with firearms, knife, batons & empty hand fighting for years. Grappling & disarms should be last resort when facing a knife attack.
bae313 7 months ago
Great video. I think instructors who teach defending against a knife attack should only teach it as a last resort. Running is the best thing to do.
esh325 7 months ago
you can learn how to fight your whole life, but when it comes to fight against armed enemy, you are just as helpless as a five years old child. There's no possible way to win ,so don't even bother trying. Unless you wanna end up on stretcher or ossuary.
Tabrox22 7 months ago
Ouch....if this was reall...lol
1DayWhenIWasBored 7 months ago
"Put 'Em Down, Take 'Em Out! : Knife Fighting Techniques From Folsom Prison" i have this book... it just destroyed all wannabe martial arts heroes
KoTowaty 7 months ago
this is real... don't ever bielieve in bullshit that u can "fight" with armed man.
KoTowaty 7 months ago
@shootcentermass I posted the comment above yours as a reply to you, but I used the wrong box.
bae313 8 months ago
My intergrated defensive system includes handguns, knives, batons & hand to hand (I prefer to teach them in that order). Handguns are great equalizers & require little instruction to acquire lethal force. However, in being civily resposible, we should use the least force necessary. If I'm pumping gas & a "begger" approaches, I'm gonna verbally disuade him. If he closes brandish a knife before a firearm. If he goes for a weapon, then it's bang! Basic skills must advance to scenario simulations.
bae313 8 months ago