Bible's Secrets (BBC) Ep.2: Did God have a wife? (1/4)

[a13jrsy]

Uh I Wish She Was My Teacher =p

[YERUBILEEtheBand]

This from the same TV series that question's the existance of King David's kingdom? Gimme a break. David's son King Solomon (Shlomon) was known far and wide as the wealthiest, wisest king. Plenty of extra-biblical evidence. This pseudo-historical nonsense is only for those seeking excuses to disbelieve. Check Ivan Panin's research on textual statistics or Simon Greenleaf on the resurrection.

[crucisnh]

@YERUBILEEtheBand It was also "known far and wide" that the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. Just because something is "known far and wide" doesn't make it true.

[chestveeg]

@tonetone153 It doesn't say when Cain married. Adam and Eve lived to be 900+ years old. The obvious answer would be that he took his sister as a mate and wife. I have noticed that the supposed 143 contradictions can in essence be classified according to the erroneous assumptions or methodologies that they employ.

[tonetone153]

@ImaBeast7 You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Ankhenaten was the earliest to establish monotheism on the historical record. And, if there are no contradictions in the Bible, explain who Cain married in Genesis if he and his parents were the first humans? There are countless others, but start with that. Please, do your homework before you speak. Belief is one thing, facts are another.

[jmikejapan]

judaism is the first monotheistic religion? What about Zoroastrianism and Native American beliefs in a 1 great spirit?

Sorry, you're not the first. Many monotheistic religions developed before and without jewish influence.

[ImaBeast7]

@jmikejapan actually jewish was the first. however they were called hebrews looong before jews. same belief and religion. while hebrews was the first religion and was monotheistic, after the ppl scattered sometime in the era of babylon, almost all religions were influence by the hebrew/jewish/christian belief.

[jmikejapan]

@ImaBeast7 You're kidding yourself if you think that Judaism influenced all the other religions. There are religions that predate Judaism that Judaism takes stories from. And there are countless religions that never came in contact with the Judeo-Christian religions in their developments. I'm not saying that Judeo- Christian religions didn't effect others, but to claim that most were effected by it is baseless in fact and simply not true. Where would be your proof for your statement?

[tonetone153]

@TheBardicDruid you are absolutely right. When you read doctrine into the text, you become willfully blind to the contradictions and human errors. You have to be open-minded.

[ImaBeast7]

@tonetone153 there are no contradictions in the bible, just ur interprating errors.

[tonetone153]

@genemz5 I didn't say anything about evolution. We're talking about belief, not knowledge, of unrealistc religious concepts. The Isrealites got their doctrine from the Egyptians and Sumerian myths. No religion can know the bounds of the Supreme Being. Religion is the opiate of the masses. It teaches you to believe, not think.

[tonetone153]

And, who did Malchizedek worship? Not YHWH. She is doing a complete analysis, not engaging in blind stupidity like most religious people

[genemz5]

@tonetone153 Blind stupidity is not exclusive to religious types. Its also applicable to those who believe that out from nothing came what we see..just materialized, and evolved by lucking out by chance. The takes blind stupidity to accept. But, as long as religious folks divert you with their blind stupidity? There is not need to face your own. right? Evolution is a theory needing loaded dice.

[tonetone153]

Demons? Satan? You believe in these concepts of which you have no proof, and she's the moron? I don't think so.

[fatandmuscles]

Ancient.

[Flamencoista]

I wish she would pronounce her words properly.

[genemz5]

She is an intellectual moron. Just because Israel was to worship one God? Does that mean there is only one god to choose from? Satan competes against God. Demons acted as gods to pagans. That's the secret? The Jews went to Baal worship because the worship involved sexual orgies without restraint. Should we be surprised? Look at the 60's Hippy generation! They were a step back into demon influence as the pagans had known. This woman is marketing herself to the Biblically challenged.

[TheBardicDruid]

@genemz5 She's an atheist and is approaching the subject like an unbiased scientist, something you religious folks have trouble with.

[genemz5]

@TheBardicDruid She is approaching the Bible with not the same bias. Not, without bias. To say that secular scientists do not have any bias towards the Bible is intellectually dishonest.

[TheBardicDruid]

@genemz5 She approached it the same way I would have, with the idea is there something here that's going to change my mind. If you approach with religious beliefs you will read into the finding, the same if you approach with a closed mind you won't see anything. She like me approach with an open mind and look for evidence to draw my conclusions.

[genemz5]

@TheBardicDruid What are religious beliefs? Are they universal? So vague you are, yet wishing to sound specific in a wish to appear to know what you talk about. Religious beliefs? As if all religious beliefs are the same? You only think you know what you are talking about because others like you share and agree in the same ignorance of what you can not know.

[TheBardicDruid]

@genemz5 I approach things in a logical, scientific manner, without bias. I'm not blinded by any beliefs, I seek what science tells me, religion is not science.

[Flamencoista]

It's NOT a secret. It's all over the Old Testament that the Israelites practiced Idolatry and worshipped many gods. Read it some time.

[genemz5]

@Flamencoista Yes, they worshiped many gods who were not God. The God Israel was supposed to worship is One. She has screwed around with semantics to screw around with the minds those who have a dislike for the Bible. It just seems right to the ignorant. She knows it. She knows you have no way to figure out what it is she is really talking about. Its your ignorance that is being exploited.

[J12e34r56k69]

go to 6:57 for ASS

[EscapeNewJersey]

More evidence the Mormons follow the true religion!

[poke089]

From the bible: Adam --> Canaan --[skip thousands of generations]--> Jews. Canaan's descendants, the Canaanites, will obviously share the same god of the Jews. She's a biblical scholar and she's shocked by that...?

Also, you won't find these types of artifacts left behind by ELohim's LOYAL followers because they did not make images as per their second commandment. You're only every going to find artifacts from unfaithful, lip-service followers who practiced paganism while claiming to be EL's

[420CoNeZ]

this girl is hot..hehe

[lewisner]

In the future people will look back at 2011 and marvel that people could believe in fairy tales.

[gottmagus]

Bible is a book full of myth, lies and propaganda. The old part is mythologie.

There are no gods or there are all gods.

Christians, you can find the wife of your god in your "holy" book, your god has more names than every demon. Archaeologists found many images of divine couples in your holy land and a jewish faction worship a divine couple.

[markcruz1000]

Judiaism lives under the lie that Yahweh is the God. Yahweh is not God. He is not the Prime Creator. Look at the millions that have died in the Name of Yahweh. The One True God does not create war, hatred and destruction. The One True God sings only a song of love and compassion. The One True God sings a song of peace not fear. The belief is Yahweh is a lie. Believe me I met Yahweh personally. What Yahweh created was hell on earth.

[TwyztdValkyrie]

Since when did jews invent monotheism? o__O Akhenaten had the first monotheistic faith: the Aten.

[Valthepixie]

@TwyztdValkyrie It is typical of a religion to claim someone elses mojo. Religions are full of such plagarisms and outragous claims. The Jews are no different, they got their mono deity from Akhenaten. It is far too coincidental they turn up in Palestine a short while after the very unpopular Akenatans death, with tales of a mono deity and fleeing Egypt for their lives. ;)

[DevilsAvocado1]

@fairhillnorrie He couldn't have got anything done if he had a bloody wife, inventing stuff needs peace and quiet...

[1983xita]

A socalled "Biblical Scholar" trying to disprove the Bible, at any immoral and deluded evidences. Blaming the Bible as "merely myth..." blah blah..

Woman, you are fighting with God. Nobody written in the Book of Life will be deluded by your blind hate-preaching...LOL

[DevilsAvocado1]

@1983xita Israel: Is(is)-Ra-El - The word comes from three different Gods rolled into one...

[1983xita]

@DevilsAvocado1

Evidence?

[Valthepixie]

@DevilsAvocado1 It is more likely to be (Osir)Is-Ra-El because Osiris was the original male solar fertility deity as well as the gardian of the dead. Isis was a female deity and should be grouped with the female counterpart of the solar deity, Isis/Mary/Venus/Lucifer. I could be wrong tho, but it makes more sense to be Osiris rather than Isis. :)

[Valthepixie]

@DevilsAvocado1 It would also make sense to be Osiris rather than Isis, because the 3 together represent the 3 aspects of solar activity. Orisis representing the solar minimum, Ra the bit inbetween and El as the solar maximum and wrath of god, spewing botls of fire and brimstone, etc. :D

[umgajokualker]

ya... feminazis tryng to change de true story... why im not surprised?

[Xomanowar99]

No shit! The israelites had trouble sticking to God and worshipped other ridiculous gods, so God punished them. It's in the Bible.

[keirapotter]

@Xomanowar99 Once again, the point is not they had trouble sticking to God, the point is they believed in several gods and the notion of monotheism didn't appear among them before the 8th century BC, and still then is was a very relative monotheism.

[karlt10]

@keirapotter Well, that, and that what become the final version of 'God' was nothing more than previous iterations of a god moved forward as the mythology advanced in age and complexity. El - Eli - YHWH - God, etc.

[William00048]

@Xomanowar99 Every other God is a false God. Greek, Roman, Egyptian myths etc. What evidence is there that Yahweh wasn't a myth too? Those actually present for miracles didn't seem so convinced. Drop me manner from heaven and part a sea for me...Sold. Yet the people he did this for were off worshiping other Gods the second Moses turned his back. Either the chosen people were impossibly hard to convince amnesiacs or the stories were somewhat exaggerated. It can't be both.

[William00048]

@Xomanowar99 The Bible says the circumference of a circle is 3 times the diameter. Try that answer in a maths quiz. Not everything in the bible is so. The writer of the Bible said this with divine revelation after Egyptians had already worked out pie to several decimal places. Exactly how did this God create the universe while being unable to work out the circumference of a circle?

[iliveon]

@Xomanowar99 its in the bible, ok yeah, and firey chariots are in the bible. So what?

[Xomanowar99]

Isn't AShe-ra He-man's sister? Was Grey Skull in Canaan?

[desertwoman]

@Xomanowar99 LOL



[joshypsalm121]

or she goin to hell!



[joshypsalm121]

this woman needs to repent!

[donnomar]

@joshypsalm121 repent of what? reporting?

[keirapotter]

@fairhillnorrie LOL!! xD

[joshuare5768]

We know that Israelites believed in many gods - sinfully. How could she possibly push this crap that the Bible is hiding this fact and then remind us the Bible portrays this all over the place? She even references the battle in the Carmel with Elijah and the 450 prophets of the Ba'al? How could she pass off this deceptive language as revolutionary?

[keirapotter]

@joshuare5768 No, actually she's explaining that at first Yahweh was a pagan god, that he was not AT ALL seen by ancient israelites like he is now. She's explaining that polytheism was not, at first, seen as wrong. Other gods (well no more than two probably) were worshipped alongside Yahweh IN THE TEMPLE, OFFICIALLY. It was not sinful, it was at first the normal Yahweh worship... It's not just her point of view but the one shared by most historians for many years now...

[joshuare5768]

The Bible never claims that there wasn't polytheism. It in facts implicates it directly. It is all over the Books of the Prophets. It is not a radical revision that rocks anything.  Propagating that is irresponsible and subjective: demonstrative of an agenda. The Bible writes about extensive conflict between monotheists and polytheists, conflict between those worshiping one God versus a different or several different gods.

[keirapotter]

@joshuare5768 The Bible do as if polytheism had always been wrong, and Yahweh the only God the Israelites should worship. But historians argue (and they have many arguments) that the God on the Bible, is actually the result of a syncretism between El, a benevolent father God worshipped by ancient israelites, and Yhwh, a war/storm god worshipped at first by Midians, and later brought to Israel. The two worships finally merged, and ONLY then appared the rejection of polytheism.

[DrMazgaN]

@keirapotter

that makes perfect sense

im from israel and hebrew is my native language (but im an athiest) and the world "El" in hebrew means "a god" and "god" is often reffered as "Ha El" = the god.

[JASONSEPTEMBER7th84]

@keirapotter well even in the bible the jews repeatedly accept forign traditions, idol worship, the worship of other gods. If anything id say it could be so that there were Isralites that eroded their religion for forign and pagan traditions at any given time. Infact they found broken down alters from the time of king solomon. Solomon destroyed alters to pagan forign dieties that his people created. they adopted things forign to them. the biblical history has never evolved, but pagan worship has

[JASONSEPTEMBER7th84]

@keirapotter And one example of that evolution today is Easter. Which christains replaced pass over with. the bible never tells christains to do this. And the name Easter goes back to a babylonian fertility goddes that was born from an egg out of the euphretes river.....so even today there is pagan worship...and of course no christain will renounce easter because to them....its just tradition and they follow in their ignorance.

[keirapotter]

@JASONSEPTEMBER7th84 Well no... the name "Easter" comes from "Eostre" a pagan pre christian EUROPEAN goddess. Chistians didn't replace passover. When they converted people in Europe to make things easier they appropriate pagan elements, like dates and names. But the date of easter was there from the beginning (unlike the date of christmas chosen in the 4th century to correspond to the solstice), it's in the Gospels.

[JASONSEPTEMBER7th84]

@keirapotter easter is not in the bible. there is no easter in the bible. eather is christmas.

[gamesbok]

Joshua didn't wipe out the polytheism of Canna. He wiped out the people.

[TallPoe]

Also, whenever a woman is used in the bible, she tends to be as and example, and a tool of seduction...

[TallPoe]

Why shouldn't another person who speaks another tongue and has lived another life have a God to turn to in times of trouble?

[TallPoe]

Here's a question that is burningly obvious, Why shouldn't another man have the same God, but call the entity a different name as his language is different, but mean the same thing?

[Gnostic2030]

God is El, Ellu Jehovah, Allah had 1 Wife the Goddess and her name is Hockmah, Asherah, Sophia and Allat

[Gnostic2030]

God had 1 Wife the Goddess and her name is Hockmah, Asherah, Sophia and Allat

[MTLSPARTAN]

ahhahahahahhahaa aberham was a genuis,,,,thats a good one. i think that he was a stupid je.w,because only stupid animals try to kill their own sun.what have the je.ws offered to this world? only bullshit and lies

[kevkels]

There is nothing new here,God too them not to worship other gods but they did. that is why they were scattered during the time of Daniel.

[zazenzach]

Theres some innacuracy right off the bat. Monotheism was not unique to Judaism, because they adopted that concept from Zoroastrianism, the worlds truly first monotheistic faith.

Furthermore, early judaism actually affirmed that there were many gods, but that they viewed their god (YHWH) as the most powerful of them. eg, in the tanakh the israelites sacrifice a goat (releasing one to the forest annually) to a god called baal so it would leave the israelites alone

[awhooker]

@zazenzach It is highly unlikely that the priestly authors of Leviticus 16, which detail the ritual you're talking about, would permit sacrifice to others besides YHWH, given their very Yahweh-centric point of view. Those scholars who do think the "Azazel" (not Baal) is some form of divine being still do not maintain that the goat which is sent away to him is a sacrifice, since this would, as said, not concur with the P material's theology.

[zazenzach]

@awhooker

i ended up going back through my jewish studies notebook from class (i went to NY Uni a few years back). apparently youre correct, the goat wasnt truely a sacrifice. instead its believed that the israelites had this animal offering as a symbolic action of getting rid of their misdeeds and they set it loose to the forest where this other god was.

nonetheless, the early easraelites were still polytheistic, they just viewed YHWH as their personal and supreme deity

[diegomania20]

Lol its funny how people with completely different dogmas say the exact same thing about there "one" god

[TacticusPrime]

So the contention of this scholar is that Yahweh was basically the benevolent bizzaro-Cronus of the Canaanite pantheon that became more and more important? An intriguing hypothesis...

[kevkels]

@CaffeinatedThinking you will be surprised that those people that do research on Egyptian and viking gods believe that they existed and want to know how they were worshiped.

[keirapotter]

@kevkels What are you talking about?? No serious historian or archeologist researching on nordic, celtic or egyptian mythology believe their gods did exist. If u think this is the reason they're researching you compmletely mistaking.

[TacticusPrime]

@kevkels Even Neo-Pagans don't believe in Odin or Thor the way the ancient Norse did. There's just an offshoot of the New Age spiritualism movement, reinterpreting ancient religion for their own wacked out Mother Earth bullshit.

[kevkels]

@CaffeinatedThinking Makes you think that she is doing a research on something that she believes has never existed....

[keirapotter]

@kevkels No. She's doing research on the religious practices of ancient Israelites.

[Assassinsn]

murder israel

[kevkels]

The most annoying thing is what she calls FACTS, archeology does not prove that the findings are facts, those things from the ground could be from 500 YEARS AGO, no prove they are from those times she is trying to make us believe and the asherah image could just be from a single household that worshiped her, not the whole nation. How many asherah images were found? just one? and from that thewhole of Isreal is automatically judged to be woshipping her, this is pure FALLACY.

[keirapotter]

@kevkels Just read for instance 2 Kings 23,4: Josias is purging the temple of Yahweh from the idols of Baal and Asherah. It clearly means those 2 were worshipped officially, in the temple, before Josias. Or are you going to say the Bible is lying on this point?

[Switchblade84]

@keirapotter The Bible also says in Hezekiel chapter 8, that the Israelites worshipped the Sun in the temple. This book was much later written than the book of Kings. There are lots of accounts in the Old Testament on how the israelites worshipped different pagan Gods and dishonored God in Salomos temple. Even Salomo practiced idolatry.

The Bible is not making a secret out of it. It blatantly outlines the false worship of the Israelites. I don't know how this is going to prove anything.

[keirapotter]

@Switchblade84 It shows that at first Yhwh was worshipped under the form of a bull, like some other pagan gods of the region, and that it was the "official" cult. Idolatry was the first normal cult for Yhwh. Later it evolved into something else. What you call "false worship" correpsonds to the first cult of Yhwh as practised by ALL israelites.

[Switchblade84]

@kevkels I couldn't agree more. The Old Testamen has so many accounts of false worship concerning the Israelites, in some books almost on every second page. The Bible isn't even trying to undermine it, but rather reproving it, by blatantly exposing the errors of their fathers. Idol worhsip is also practiced within Roman Catholicism and if scientists would discover their relicts in the year 2500 they would also say Christianity is Paganism and polytheistic.

These theories are way to shaky

[countesscristo]

Is this Baal? the devil, typical backward useless BBC propaganda,anything but the truth.

[keirapotter]

@countesscristo Could you develop? What is untrue precisely?

[countesscristo]

@keirapotter yes, if they are talking about 'Baal' which I presume they are as he is bought up most regularly by the establishment lie machine as 'mythical' but they are also Satanic,Baal is also Saul, Paul:

Marduk - Jupiter - Zeus - Jesus - Amar - Bael - Able - Phre - Nibiru are all the same people;the father is Lord Enki these are the sons,

[countesscristo]

@keirapotter so the BBC is focusing on Jerusalem, just because there is an agenda to mix Jersualem with the Arab world in the next few years. It does not tell you the real reason for the Gods,Alexander Palace where Beeb began is great old ancient ritual Satanic temple, look at gargoyles and devil worship fallen 'angels' on its outside. 'Angels' is Lucifer.

[ThatScottishGuy2010]

This is blasphemy.

[keirapotter]

@ThatScottishGuy2010 What exactly is blasphemy? It is written in the Bible that before the fall of Juda (before the 6th century BC) the israelites worshipped other gods in the temple of God (Yahweh). Read in the 2nd Book of Kings 23, 4: "And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them". The grove = symbol for Asherah.

[emROARS]

I wouldn't be surprised if the gods they knew then are some of the angels we know today. *shrug*

[dastardlyman]

I love the way she has been able to interview various Muslim, Jewish and Christian scholars in her programs and asked them what they think and show their answers on the TV. She seems to respect their views while still disagreeing with their interpretations of the old texts. Wonderful TV. I agree with valtimons comment. So many folk are completely hung up on their religion and will kill other people in "defence" of "their" religion - this behaviour is so obviously stupid.

[ThatScottishGuy2010]

@dastardlyman Yep, the world does not need bigotry.

[micheleknightpsychic]

She is awesome and fantastic research. I did a degree thesis on similar stuff and so glad this has been made.

[kevkels]

She is an atheist who does not believe in the existence of GOD but finds the need to give him a wife.....Makes you think.

[willhum]

@kevkels Straight back at you kevkels, you who believes in God but have done nothing like the historical, archeological and Biblical study that this lady has, would deny the truth that Jewish monotheism comes out of widespread polytheism found in both ancient Israel and Judea. Modern scholars would disagree with you, archeology proves you wrong and even in the old Testament you can find numerous polytheistic references and clues. IsraEL, DaniEL 'El' is God, whoes wife was Ashara.

[kevkels]

@willhum Right Back at you How stupid can you be?Archeology can never be taking as FACT for any one particular thing, don't get me wrong it can be taking as an assumption but FACTS are a different ball game, because nobody knows exactly apart from those that lived in that particular time, and those who put those images being dug up there, who as will all know don't exist today anymore. So all this findings are all based on assumptions, So my friend don't confuse Assumptions with Facts.

[willhum]

@kevkels So you deny that Jewish monotheism was predated by polytheism amongst the peoples of Judea and Israel ?

[gamesbok]

@willhum It's not possible to invent polytheism without having monotheism first. It's not possible to invent polytheism in an instant. There must be one god first, if only for an instant.

[willhum]

@gamesbok thats a religious assertion, completely unprovable of course. (Anyway, who is saying polytheism is 'invented in an instant' nobody!) What can proved is that polytheism predates monotheism as a belief system in ancient Israel and Judea.

The same pattern is also found in Indic religions - polytheism and quasi-shamanic spirit beliefs predating the evolution of Brahmanism which tends to occur at the point of settled agrarian civilization - and not before!!

Inconvenient truth, sorry!

[gamesbok]

@willhum I make no religious assertion, but simply assertions about thought processes and simultaneity. That my statement was that polytheism could not have been invented in an instant I would have thought was obvious after a moments thought. You have not established that polytheism predates monotheism, I maintain it's impossible, and surely the oldest religions involve the worship of an apparently monotheistic Earth Mother. Some societies that have totally avoided any metaphysics

[willhum]

@gamesbok please see my reply sent to your inbox.. not enough space here to take your points one by one.

[keirapotter]

@kevkels She's not saying he actually had a wife, she's just showing that in the mind of ancient israelites, God was accompanied by a Goddess.

[violetshadez]

@kevkels xcusme if she was athiest then why is she a jew and why does she hate muslims so much

[keirapotter]

@violetshadez Where do you get the fact she's jewish? O_O And where the hell do you see that she hates muslims? She doesn't even talk about islam!! Plus she's actually an atheist (or agnostic) as she wrote she was "a non believer". Anyway she could have been from a jewish ascendance and still be atheist.

[RenkonNairu]

@violetshadez A person can be a member of the Jewish people and culture without actually believing in God. Same goes for hating Muslims (or any religious group for that matter).

[violetshadez]

@kevkels That is so not fair why is it that Jews get to keep there cultural heritage but when ever Christians or Muslims become atheist they are obliged by society to separate from there culture can you give me examples of Muslims or Christians who hold there cultural heritage but are now atheist?...I think not!

[demonella]

Very interesting!

[valtimon]

Best TV Series since The Ascent of Man and she ....knocks me out