I wrote 3 novels, why and recorded 3 albums, why? Because I wanted to. lol, this whole idea that everything people do is for money is so preposterous, only a complete idiot who actually is only motivated by money and sex could arrive at this conclusion. These aren't the people coming up with the ideas though.
I get that the socialist guy is a presidential candidate and wants to talk about serious stuff, but all the things he talks about in the wheelchair debate are totally irreleveant.
His response to the wheelchair thing is "We spend money on the space program and project star wars, so why not some little thing?" It makes no sense I could say that about anything.
people seem not to understand the idea that socialism is just the government covering all basic human rights. you can still have capitalism, we just have to pay for what we get. it's really not all that complicated.
The Star Wars program has nothing to do with taxes and the cost of living? What the fuck? Every fucking Government paid for expense has to do with taxes and the cost of living, you jackass.
@doombuggy123 In part because everyone likes free things and if you get the same result whether you work or not it makes the opportunity cost of work much higher than leisure. Also mostly because a system with such drastic progressive taxes make people weary of climbing the next income bracket. Wouldnt you rather be middle class with small taxes than rich but have the spending power of the middle class? Also wealth is not estimated correctly. So some could be a lot richer/poorer.
@rheniumlake So you're telling me that people who go to public school, use public roads, have medicare or in some other way receive socialized medical benefits don't work? Or is this strictly a classism issue? Are you implying that people on welfare and food stamps don't work?
"Wouldnt you rather be middle class with small taxes than rich but have the spending power of the middle class"
Who is thinking that? If this were a prevalent problem we wouldn't have any upper class.
@doombuggy123 I dont take your words personally, so please dont take mine that way. Im saying if we raise taxes over 50%, there may be more government programs but less private business. I think the private sector is better at providing these public services. Public schools, roads and medical benefits are all currently declining in value. We dont get as much out as the money we put in. So a bigger tax revenue is not going to solve this, it needs to be more cost effective.
@rheniumlake I think the problem is American in particular is completely missing the mark. Money's only as useful as what it brings to you. What does an individual honestly need to be happy? Really. Computers are cheap, they now serve as a gaming platform and a place to watch movies......for free. Internet is $30. Car, you don't need to live in a mansion.
The thing is you don't need that much money. That's reality. The media likes to make you think that you do.
@12Ominous Thats true. You dont need that much money to meet your basic needs, but you need a lot of money to meet the basic needs of a whole nation. Thats why I think its better for people to foot the bill themselves, asking little from the government besides protection and maintaining order. I know some people can be unlucky and do deserve a chance, but I think charity does a better job than the government directly. The government has a lousy track record.
@rheniumlake That's a fair way of looking at it. I'm somewhere between a Libertarian and a socialist, so I understand your position as well. That is I believe people should be responsible for themselves and their actions, but I'm also a humanist and Philanthropist,I would not hesitate to give financial help to someone who needed it, I do believe n sharing the wealth, so I think either or could work. But I think its very important that we don't forget that people are what are important.
@rheniumlake and I think the avarice promoted in America through shows like "cribs" and "the bachelor" among others is causing Americans and the world that observes these shows as well to forget about what matters.
@12Ominous Sure. But people have always wanted to live like the wealthy. These shows are popular because people have always wanted to see how the wealthy live. Thats why old stories are always about princesses or people who become rich and not people who are born poor and die poor.
@rheniumlake Yes, it has to do with social conditioning, fairy tales are one example of that. I know not everyone can see eye to eye on this issue and unfortunately this becomes the problem. There are always people who think that money is the solution to all their problems, the cure for everything or their ticket to happiness. Unfortunately a lot of people have to get to the top of the hill before they realize there's not much there.
@rheniumlake I make music and write because there is nothing in the world that bringing me more pleasure. I'll even loose money in order to continue to do that. You have to be at a certain level of maturity to look at things like this. But money should be a means to do what you want to do, not an end. That's the problem America has, they value it as an end, when should be just a means. Just throwing in my two cents.
@rheniumlake Sorry about the spelling mistakes. I'm open to your interpretation. But often rich people end up donating anyways. Look at Bill Gates, he donated a large portion of his money. One person does has no use for that much money, that's just reality. America being a capitalist society will not acknowledge that reality, instead they continue to champion avarice like its a virtue. Life is about people, not about greed.
@12Ominous Private donations are a product of capitalism. Capitalism just means what you own belongs to you. You can do whatever: even donate it. Capitalism came after feudalism: where peoples property was considered the property of a ruler who chooses how to use it. If capitalists were so greedy then there wouldnt be so many NGO's helping people around the world. Businesspeople do more for the world than politicians (who are like those feudal rulers bossing us while taking our stuff)
@rheniumlake I understand that. But this creates a class problem, I think its both bad for the rich and the poor. We know how this can be bad for the poor but for rich people in particular it creates hubris and disassociates them from other people or makes them think that they can't be friends with those people because they're too different. So the rich person becomes isolated. This is dangerous to a person of any level of success.
@rheniumlake You can poke holes in theoretical socialism all you want, but you're not proving to me that these problems actually exist. Prove to me that people who benefit most from social programs don't work. Prove to me there is less incentive to work if basic needs like medical care and education are provided for. You can't just claim that people who benefit from socialism don't work and then never address it, it's incredibly classist to say that.
@doombuggy123 Want proof big government is bad? Google these: US Senate recently passed a bill with a provision that allows the indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without trial, the Nazis learned racial cleansing from us government (sterilized minorities and the disabled), the gov is the one that gave bail outs, Guantanamo Bay, the subsidizing of bad businesses like agriculture and states enforcing human rights violations like Jim Crow laws, schools that are below caliber etc
@rheniumlake None of these examples have anything to do with socialism, I'm starting to wonder if you know what socialism is or if you're just repeating Fox News talking points.
@doombuggy123 There is no reason to make this personal, I could easily say undermining things to you. So please dont say things like: "you're just repeating Fox News talking points." Because that is out of order. Show me the same respect I show you. If you are no longer interested in this conversation just say so or dont respond. Just dont be rude.
@rheniumlake That is not a personal attack, so don't take it personally. It's a criticism of your argument. You're not talking about socialism anymore, those examples have nothing to do with socialism. You're just repeating the same hot topics and buzzwords you would from conservative programs, you're not taking about the concepts.
@doombuggy123 Im not sure how you think that im repeating buzz words? Because from this side it sounds your doing that. But I think thats just because we both are so convinced of our points of view that its difficult to see how the argument is not obvious to others. What specifically would you like to me cite?
@doombuggy123 People can shut down a business easier than they can a bad government program Bad products get canceled everyday. Businesses give a damn what we think, because our opinion is so important to their livelihood. Government doesnt care to directly please us because at the end of the day they still get our money. They dont have to compete for it, they just have to fill in the paperwork.
@rheniumlake (p1) The driving purpose of a government is to unify, care for and organize people. Businesses are made for the sole purpose of taking money. They don't care about your opinion, they exploit your biggest insecurities and they exploit political movements and do little or nothing to actually fix the problems....
@doombuggy123 (p1) That is a polarized view on business and gov. Sure government is supposed to protect us, but it doesnt always. The US government taught the Nazis to sterilize minorities and the disabled. There should be checks and balances. You cant give all the responsibilities and power to one faction. What about the individuals who have fought for fairness? Starbucks was one of the first companies to give gay workers equal benefits. It was controversial, they still did it.
@rheniumlake (p2) For example, Dove is a brand that's owned by a corporation that owns many other brands. Maybe you're familiar with their add campagin to make real women feel beautiful by exposing photopshop and other dishonest forms of advertising. They don't actually care about self-esteem and body image, they're exploiting a growing movement. If the corporation cared about women they wouldn't use such misogynistic forms of advertising for their other brands (ex. Axe body spray).
@doombuggy123 I honestly was ready to resign from this conversation wondering if there was going to be anything new brought up. I really like the example of Dove chocolate you brought up. Youre right businesses will advertise the message their consumers want to hear. And I think female empowerment ads (even if businesses dont believe in them) are a sign the times are a changing. Its a reflection of society...as society changes business adapts. I think thats a good thing.
@rheniumlake (p3) Corporations give their brands personalities to make them sell better to a specific market. Like any of those "green" products, that may or may not actually be better for their environment - their a personality created by an ad agency to make people identify with the product. They don't solve issues, they create issues by giving discontent people a false sense of peace of mind.
@doombuggy123 (p3)You are right, the false sense of accomplishment is disgusting, But doesnt that say more about the people that buy them? We live in the information age! We can google something at the grocery store and get all the facts. Thats what I do. I needed to buy a water filter and just googled the two brands available on the spot. This wouldnt be possible without entrepreneurs and free thinkers who came up with ideas that make our lives better.
@doombuggy123 Its not classist to say that. "Classist" is an empty label that just tries to make people skeptical of government seem that way for selfish reasons. I do genuinely care about other people, I feel that the current system is counterproductive. The proof for people having less incentive to work when things are free is in the government, its less effective. Workers who get paid whether or not they produce any value statistically produce less.
@rheniumlake Well everyone knows that if you jump into a river you are neither in the river nor above. So the best thing to do in this situation is fart on your hands and say a prayer, cause lord knows how many of them rapscallions done did took our jobs.
@rheniumlake Classism is a form of bigotry against people of different socioeconomic classes. It's an "empty label" in the same way that racism is an "empty label". Implying that people who receive benefits from the government are lazy or that they don't work because they have free hand outs it incredibly presumptuous and you have still yet to prove that there is any truth to it.
You can't just keep restating the same thing and say that's proof. Do you have any sources?
@doombuggy123 You are demanding for proof but when I gave you a list of human rights violations the government has not even apologized for you didnt address them. They are: "US Senate recently passed a bill with a provision that allows the indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without trial, the Nazis learned racial cleansing from us government (sterilized minorities and the disabled), the gov is the one that gave bail outs...etc" you can scroll down for the whole thing.
@rheniumlake Again those have nothing to do with socialism. I am asking you to prove to me that people who benefit from social programs do not have jobs. You haven't provided a single statistic that would indicate that people on welfare, food stamps, medicare or other "handouts" are less likely to work....
@doombuggy123 (cont.) "Big government" is not the same as socialism. Socialism is specific to economics. People get communism and socialism confused because they don't understand that socialism doesn't require a tyranny. The Nazis were fascist, which is the exact opposite of socialism and also operates under a tyranny.
@doombuggy123 "Big gov" can be socialism. Its sharing resources among citizens having more public goods. I have no qualms with that, I have a problem with how it undermines private ownership and vilifies capitalism as something selfish. Capitalism and Democracy go hand in hand. When you cast your dollar...you are casting your vote for the products you consume. Whether you have the government pay for them (like schools) or you pay out of pocket, free markets shouldnt be compromised.
@doombuggy123 Communist countries like China and Cuba are transitioning away from big government. Cuba fired 1 million government employees. Puerto Rico fired 7000 workers. Their taxes cannot support that many useless jobs. Also the USSR failed, food was scarce. And now even socialist countries in Europe & Canada are finding problems with their healthcare. There were long lines and riots for medical treatment in England. Canada began to turn to freer markets during the early 2000s.
@rheniumlake firstly, national healthcare is BRITISH, not english. Secondly, the only 'riots' that have occured over the NHS is when the government tried to deconstruct it. Secondly, 'socialist' countries in Europe are doing pretty damn well, look at Scandanavia and look at Germany. There's a difference between big government and socialism.
@truelieswow First saying healthcare is British and not English is redundant. England is a component of Britain so it doesn't matter whether I say English/British. Secondly Socialist countries are completely different in nature. They have smaller defense budgets, fewer foreign issues, smaller populations, declining birth rate, and their population is not as diverse as ours. It is easier for them with getting away with providing homogenous products, because its a reflection of them.
@rheniumlake To add on to what truelieswow said, socialism and communism aren't the same thing. I'm talking about a social democracy, one that allows people to vote while at the same time offers more public services. Communism is a socialist dictatorship. They are very different.
@doombuggy123 I know that Communism and Socialism are two different things. The reason I brought them both up is because I wanted to show how they are similar: they both have the government monopolize certain industries that should be private. They both hire many government employees and exhaust government resources in an ineffective way. I mentioned both Communist and Social regimes, I know how they are different. But I think both are a bad alternative to free markets.
@rheniumlake So again, do you believe that public schools and public healthcare are unnecessary? There may be private institutions that can do them better, most people would argue that private schools are intrinsically better, but the whole point of these programs is to give everyone access to the most basic of requirements. Not everyone can afford private schooling or medical insurance. Should they just go without these things altogether?
@doombuggy123 Im not saying that poor people are not entitled to these basic needs. They can still get them through a different system. Im saying that the government should focus on paying tuition and not building bad schools. They should opt for the voucher system. Why should the gov pay administration costs and teachers salaries...leave that for private or charter schools to set up, all the gov has to do is provide tuition. I think health care should follow a similar structure.
@doombuggy123 As for the class thing, I am not wealthy so there is no reason for me to be at war with welfare. I just know that when the government interferes with what should be our own private choices it limits our options in the market. What if I dont like my public school but thats the one im forced to go to, because the government gives money to my school and not me the student. I dont like how the government takes money from the people and then makes lifestyle choices for us
@rheniumlake The whole point of a social democracy is that people are taken care of, but they aren't living under tyranny. You can vote on the issues, if you have a problem with the education system you can vote on policies that affect it or get involved in other ways. When you give all the power to the private sector you completely lose your voice - you operate under the will of the CEOs. How is that better?
@doombuggy123 There is no way people will ever "operate under the will of CEOs" because businesses become big because they provide services people WANT to pay for. Why would you keep buying something bad? Companies lose money if they attempt to sell products that are not useful to anyone. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs didnt get rich for nothing. No business person can force people to buy from them, but the government can force you to pay taxes for products that you dont want.
@rheniumlake You're missing the point. You have no say in the way a private company operates. If you don't like their marketing, their methods of production, their discriminatory practices, etc. the only thing you as a person can do is not buy their product. You have no say in their decision making. You have quite an impact on public institutions though.
Well, I life in the Netherlands and it does work. Now that the social standard is being broken down, like cheap education, we are getting more and more to the way the US is working and being able to study becomes something for the richt again...
It's interesting how Bill's ideas on socialism in general have changed so much since then. I'm also watching this after his New Rules of how America secretly love socialism.
@123BenThere That's simply not the case. depending on what you're seeking, Democratic socialism can loose by default. The simple principle of steeling someones money and Giving it to another person may not be attractive to people who advocate liberty (Libertarians). It is unnecessary i feel In support of liberty to force an established group of people to pay for another persons miss fortunes.
@islamiscrap8888 Have fun explaining that to a poor kid who was born into the fucking projects and has a crack addicted mom. Are you telling me that because of a capitalistic society that he is just as likely to be president as some over privileged kid born into a wealthy family? This country is already partly socialist (welfare, taxes, and student loans) If everyone was on board with socialism, there would be little problems surrounding it.
@123BenThere are you talking about the government housing projects in America? because, i don't think you should be blaming a government failure on the free market. Socialism failed not the free market.
@123BenThere What? how is that possible? you either have government protecting people from force or fraud or you have government dictating what people can own.
@natmanprime How is Nationalism more like Capitalism? Are you talking about Crony Capitalism, Free Market Capitalism, or Anarcho Capitalism? Hitler was elected democratically but his power was given to him by Germany's congress. He threatened them but they still gave the power. Nationalism is in no way like free market capitalism. If anything it's more like Crony Capitalism or Corporatism. A perfect example of Corporatism would be the TARP funds.
@islamiscrap8888 capital is territory, land, abstract or otherwise.
a nation is also based on territory, land etc.
hence "nationbuil;ding" and capital-building.
nations have capitals.
based on your capital u build a 'nation'., a 'business empire'.
d u c the similarities?
democracy is not something we have. what we have is every 4 years, we're coerced into choosing a guy pre selected by market forces, and then we're stuck with them 4 the next 4 years where they do what they like
@natmanprime I know capital is territory hence the word capital. we elect officials democratically but this doesn't mean that I'm saying we have democracy. The United States is suppose to be a Republic; The evidence for the United States being a Republic is the overwhelming fact that we have a written Constitution. When i refer to free market capitalism, I am referring to what the individual can do.
i'm drawing the similarities between capitalism and nationalism.
i understand that a re-public is a govt founded by the people for the people, representing the public, and is therefore a socialist concept.
but the notion of a free market contradicts the principle of a constitution existing. public servants can exist in a republic, but a business class(or capitalism) cannot.
@natmanprime There isn't any similarity between nationalism a free market capitalism. No, that is not what a republic is. A republic is when there is a written document that dictates what rights are and who has them. It is not by default a democracy which is ruled by the MOB. A free market is different from a Anarchy market. A free market aims to have as much economic freedom for the Individual as possible. The government protects people from force and fraud.
@islamiscrap8888 according to WordIQ.com..."A republic in its basic sense, is constitutional government. The word is derived from the Latin res publica, or "public things". It is an ordering of society under a written set of laws and a society that has the concept of the rule of law."
so the public has to be represented in the law in some way. your definition allows a monarchy to be a republic.
The term "democracy" need not have been invented if it were simply 'mob rule'!
@natmanprime The republic of the United States allows for representatives and congressmen to exist. The people under the United States Constitution have the right to vote for the Representatives and Congressmen of their area. This is what the republic of the United States for. Republics allow for only a written document to be authoritative
Bill Mahar was in favor of the death penalty? Man, times have changed. The socialist is in favor of raising taxes, and warehousing murderers. I guess if you are going to keep a person in a cage for their entire life, the money has to come from somewhere? As for the wheelchair ramp to the top of the mountain, why dont we just level the mountains, and cover everything in concrete? Fill in the grand canyon so people with disabilities can cross it? Hell, someone could fall in and sue the govt.
I'd like to see Milton Friedman on this panel. I don't agree with everything he's said, by far, but at least he could lay out arguments logically and point out where you're talking about principles vs. degrees of difference.
We should be putting murderers in labor camps for the rest of their lives not kill them, if your willing to kill some one your probably willing to die also, and then the tax payers are not paying for them
@InWeedWeTrust420 The U.S. does put tons of people in jail for life, for smaller crimes. Now people are saying the problem is that prisons are for profit, that prison labour is the new slavery...with some innocent people, as well as many over-sentenced. Prisons already make 30% of small appliances in the U.S. and 100% of some military items. With modern machinery, 1% of the population can make a hell of a lot for cheap:
im not for caping the amount of money CEOs can make but i am for making sure that thos CEOs are making their money in a fair way and not exploting the workers... bail outs and golden parachutes= soialism lol
A cripple can climp a mountain... If the only use their arms as opposed to using a wheel chair. Read "No excuses", it is about a boy with stumps for arms and legs wrestling and placing 8th in the State tournament!
but he's not talking about breathing. he's talking about climbing a mountain, which this person in a wheel chair did NOT do. he forced someone to do it for him, because it is his "right".
climbing a mountain is a recreational activity that some people can't do. to take money away from other state funded and very needed areas is horrible.
they are forcing this to happen just so they can do it too
i can't climb a mountain, but i'm not going to force the govt to buy my special machines
@idrewanx what if you were handicapped and wanted to climb a mountain(I dont see why), but the govt. needed to put wheelchair ramps where there were stairs to be fair
if i was handicapped i wouldn't climb a mountain. some people just cant do certain things, like maher said there are plenty of things i cant do, and i'm fine with that. i dont need to prove it to anyone simply because they say i cant.
so this ridiculous ramp system is put into place 2 people use it and its never touched again
$300,000 that could have built a community center or fed some starving children
but a dude who can't walk got to climb a mountain (got carried)
@idrewanx I mean those mountains with little cliff style paths carved into their sides by erosion, not steep mountains. But I would rather spent 60 billion for a cripple to climp a mountain, rather than spending it on a star wars program.
Cant belive 4/5 people on the panel and 2/3 of the audience cheered for death penatly of a person who commited a crime at the age of 17. I just dont understand Americans, im not sorry if i offend anyone cause you have so many fucked up people that its just insane. The western country that care least for it's people.
@skarpzor But the fear of the death penalty stops quite a lot of murders, in the united kingdom people can rape and kill and be out of prison in 10 years, hence they don't fear the law.
@GBDazzler I don't think the consensus is that the death penalty is a deterrent. There have been societies where violence, death penalties, public displays of criminals being killed, etc. were common and it has usually led to the acceptance of violent death as usual. How's the murder rate in Canada? Right next to the U.S., much of the same media and culture, people can access guns, especially criminals...but no death penalty.
Crazy. I have lost respect for Joe Rogan. He talks about how hallucinogens made him see how life was all one, how the universe is love, how we should care for one another blah blah blah. But not if he might have to pay for some of it out of his own pocket eh?
750 billion dollar defense and war fighting budget. 600 billion dollar annual interest to the Federal Reserve shareholders. 1 trillion dollars extra for banks. 875 billion for big business 'stimulus'.
But free health care for commoner peasants?!?! Education for these slack jawed yokels?!?! Quality of life for people who are not me? Free ivy league college for people who were not born into that world?????? WE CANT AFFORD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are so many misconceptions of socialism, like the notion that it goes hand-in-hand with human rights abuse and oppressive regimes. Well what about the pre-Castro, US-backed Cuban regime? The pre-Mao, US-backed mainland China state? And speaking of China, are they not now more of a capitalist country than a socialist country? And yet they still have some of the worst standards of liberty in the world. Freedom is not dictated by the economic system but by the people in charge
That's because it should be the subject and the nonsense about an isolated incident involving handicaps and mountains is fluff for empty-heads who don't want to discuss real issues.
To hell with them and their fluff. If David has the integrity to bring up "wars and shit" then more power to him.
I wrote 3 novels, why and recorded 3 albums, why? Because I wanted to. lol, this whole idea that everything people do is for money is so preposterous, only a complete idiot who actually is only motivated by money and sex could arrive at this conclusion. These aren't the people coming up with the ideas though.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
fuck that socialist duchebag
KennyBare 2 weeks ago
Now what political candidate nowadays would go on bill's show and look at some titties
snowman250 3 weeks ago
fast-forward to 2011.... and the old guy was right all along.
TheJoshJman 1 month ago 2
every video i watch of bill makes me realise how much more of an idiot he is
zanzaba78 1 month ago
I feel bad for David McReynolds (Candidate) debating with these morons.
JustinBieberIsAPenis 3 months ago
Just so you know, the brain isn't fully developed until 25, Bill. Goddamn for an atheist you are so effin unscientific sometimes.
theyforcedmetosignup 3 months ago
@the804punk I find myself saying that more and more when I watch him. He's ass backwards when it comes to vaccines too. oh well.
theyforcedmetosignup 3 months ago
I get that the socialist guy is a presidential candidate and wants to talk about serious stuff, but all the things he talks about in the wheelchair debate are totally irreleveant.
His response to the wheelchair thing is "We spend money on the space program and project star wars, so why not some little thing?" It makes no sense I could say that about anything.
heatbucspies55 3 months ago
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heatbucspies55 3 months ago
bill maher is a dick head
tunney101 3 months ago
Wow this Socialist owns them all. If only they would let him talk.
23lFrench 3 months ago
people seem not to understand the idea that socialism is just the government covering all basic human rights. you can still have capitalism, we just have to pay for what we get. it's really not all that complicated.
hollaatyaboy12 3 months ago in playlist More videos from librarien
The Socialist candidate was right about a lot of things here actually . . . some nasty opinions by Maher, Rogan & that actress.
cheapfeet 4 months ago
WILL THE BITCH NEXT TO ROGAN JUST SHUT UP AND ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT HER RESPONSES! I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO YOU IF YOU HAD ANY RELEVEANT POINTS.
enime 4 months ago
@enime correction: relevant
enime 4 months ago
The people who are trying to discuss socialism (sans the candidate) are out of their depth. The notion that people will be "unmotivated" is silly.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
The BITCH needs to wait her damn turn and quit interrupting. She is always the first to chime in with points we all know.....
jeffkenevil 4 months ago
The Star Wars program has nothing to do with taxes and the cost of living? What the fuck? Every fucking Government paid for expense has to do with taxes and the cost of living, you jackass.
natpjohsnon 4 months ago
I THINK THE TITLE IS WRONG FOR THIS VIDEO.
treid100182 4 months ago 4
I like people like Shari Belefonte. They listen carefully, then without high emotion, and intelligently state their opinion.
takerdust 5 months ago 2
Hey Bill, Five miles up would be like ... Everest. Try not to say anything quite as dumbass as that in the future, m'kay?
MrMZaccone 5 months ago
I don't understand the title of this video, is it supposed to be ironic? The socialist was the only reasonable person on the stage.
doombuggy123 5 months ago 8
@doombuggy123 having have your income taken from you is demotivating for someone who actually does work, not the person receiving free benefits
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake What makes you think that people who receive benefits from social programs don't work?
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 In part because everyone likes free things and if you get the same result whether you work or not it makes the opportunity cost of work much higher than leisure. Also mostly because a system with such drastic progressive taxes make people weary of climbing the next income bracket. Wouldnt you rather be middle class with small taxes than rich but have the spending power of the middle class? Also wealth is not estimated correctly. So some could be a lot richer/poorer.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake So you're telling me that people who go to public school, use public roads, have medicare or in some other way receive socialized medical benefits don't work? Or is this strictly a classism issue? Are you implying that people on welfare and food stamps don't work?
"Wouldnt you rather be middle class with small taxes than rich but have the spending power of the middle class"
Who is thinking that? If this were a prevalent problem we wouldn't have any upper class.
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 I dont take your words personally, so please dont take mine that way. Im saying if we raise taxes over 50%, there may be more government programs but less private business. I think the private sector is better at providing these public services. Public schools, roads and medical benefits are all currently declining in value. We dont get as much out as the money we put in. So a bigger tax revenue is not going to solve this, it needs to be more cost effective.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake I think the problem is American in particular is completely missing the mark. Money's only as useful as what it brings to you. What does an individual honestly need to be happy? Really. Computers are cheap, they now serve as a gaming platform and a place to watch movies......for free. Internet is $30. Car, you don't need to live in a mansion.
The thing is you don't need that much money. That's reality. The media likes to make you think that you do.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@12Ominous Thats true. You dont need that much money to meet your basic needs, but you need a lot of money to meet the basic needs of a whole nation. Thats why I think its better for people to foot the bill themselves, asking little from the government besides protection and maintaining order. I know some people can be unlucky and do deserve a chance, but I think charity does a better job than the government directly. The government has a lousy track record.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake That's a fair way of looking at it. I'm somewhere between a Libertarian and a socialist, so I understand your position as well. That is I believe people should be responsible for themselves and their actions, but I'm also a humanist and Philanthropist,I would not hesitate to give financial help to someone who needed it, I do believe n sharing the wealth, so I think either or could work. But I think its very important that we don't forget that people are what are important.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake and I think the avarice promoted in America through shows like "cribs" and "the bachelor" among others is causing Americans and the world that observes these shows as well to forget about what matters.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@12Ominous Sure. But people have always wanted to live like the wealthy. These shows are popular because people have always wanted to see how the wealthy live. Thats why old stories are always about princesses or people who become rich and not people who are born poor and die poor.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake Yes, it has to do with social conditioning, fairy tales are one example of that. I know not everyone can see eye to eye on this issue and unfortunately this becomes the problem. There are always people who think that money is the solution to all their problems, the cure for everything or their ticket to happiness. Unfortunately a lot of people have to get to the top of the hill before they realize there's not much there.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake I make music and write because there is nothing in the world that bringing me more pleasure. I'll even loose money in order to continue to do that. You have to be at a certain level of maturity to look at things like this. But money should be a means to do what you want to do, not an end. That's the problem America has, they value it as an end, when should be just a means. Just throwing in my two cents.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake Sorry about the spelling mistakes. I'm open to your interpretation. But often rich people end up donating anyways. Look at Bill Gates, he donated a large portion of his money. One person does has no use for that much money, that's just reality. America being a capitalist society will not acknowledge that reality, instead they continue to champion avarice like its a virtue. Life is about people, not about greed.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@12Ominous Private donations are a product of capitalism. Capitalism just means what you own belongs to you. You can do whatever: even donate it. Capitalism came after feudalism: where peoples property was considered the property of a ruler who chooses how to use it. If capitalists were so greedy then there wouldnt be so many NGO's helping people around the world. Businesspeople do more for the world than politicians (who are like those feudal rulers bossing us while taking our stuff)
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake I understand that. But this creates a class problem, I think its both bad for the rich and the poor. We know how this can be bad for the poor but for rich people in particular it creates hubris and disassociates them from other people or makes them think that they can't be friends with those people because they're too different. So the rich person becomes isolated. This is dangerous to a person of any level of success.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake You can poke holes in theoretical socialism all you want, but you're not proving to me that these problems actually exist. Prove to me that people who benefit most from social programs don't work. Prove to me there is less incentive to work if basic needs like medical care and education are provided for. You can't just claim that people who benefit from socialism don't work and then never address it, it's incredibly classist to say that.
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 Want proof big government is bad? Google these: US Senate recently passed a bill with a provision that allows the indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without trial, the Nazis learned racial cleansing from us government (sterilized minorities and the disabled), the gov is the one that gave bail outs, Guantanamo Bay, the subsidizing of bad businesses like agriculture and states enforcing human rights violations like Jim Crow laws, schools that are below caliber etc
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake None of these examples have anything to do with socialism, I'm starting to wonder if you know what socialism is or if you're just repeating Fox News talking points.
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 There is no reason to make this personal, I could easily say undermining things to you. So please dont say things like: "you're just repeating Fox News talking points." Because that is out of order. Show me the same respect I show you. If you are no longer interested in this conversation just say so or dont respond. Just dont be rude.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake That is not a personal attack, so don't take it personally. It's a criticism of your argument. You're not talking about socialism anymore, those examples have nothing to do with socialism. You're just repeating the same hot topics and buzzwords you would from conservative programs, you're not taking about the concepts.
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 Im not sure how you think that im repeating buzz words? Because from this side it sounds your doing that. But I think thats just because we both are so convinced of our points of view that its difficult to see how the argument is not obvious to others. What specifically would you like to me cite?
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 People can shut down a business easier than they can a bad government program Bad products get canceled everyday. Businesses give a damn what we think, because our opinion is so important to their livelihood. Government doesnt care to directly please us because at the end of the day they still get our money. They dont have to compete for it, they just have to fill in the paperwork.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake (p1) The driving purpose of a government is to unify, care for and organize people. Businesses are made for the sole purpose of taking money. They don't care about your opinion, they exploit your biggest insecurities and they exploit political movements and do little or nothing to actually fix the problems....
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 (p1) That is a polarized view on business and gov. Sure government is supposed to protect us, but it doesnt always. The US government taught the Nazis to sterilize minorities and the disabled. There should be checks and balances. You cant give all the responsibilities and power to one faction. What about the individuals who have fought for fairness? Starbucks was one of the first companies to give gay workers equal benefits. It was controversial, they still did it.
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@rheniumlake (p2) For example, Dove is a brand that's owned by a corporation that owns many other brands. Maybe you're familiar with their add campagin to make real women feel beautiful by exposing photopshop and other dishonest forms of advertising. They don't actually care about self-esteem and body image, they're exploiting a growing movement. If the corporation cared about women they wouldn't use such misogynistic forms of advertising for their other brands (ex. Axe body spray).
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 I honestly was ready to resign from this conversation wondering if there was going to be anything new brought up. I really like the example of Dove chocolate you brought up. Youre right businesses will advertise the message their consumers want to hear. And I think female empowerment ads (even if businesses dont believe in them) are a sign the times are a changing. Its a reflection of society...as society changes business adapts. I think thats a good thing.
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@rheniumlake (p3) Corporations give their brands personalities to make them sell better to a specific market. Like any of those "green" products, that may or may not actually be better for their environment - their a personality created by an ad agency to make people identify with the product. They don't solve issues, they create issues by giving discontent people a false sense of peace of mind.
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 (p3)You are right, the false sense of accomplishment is disgusting, But doesnt that say more about the people that buy them? We live in the information age! We can google something at the grocery store and get all the facts. Thats what I do. I needed to buy a water filter and just googled the two brands available on the spot. This wouldnt be possible without entrepreneurs and free thinkers who came up with ideas that make our lives better.
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 Its not classist to say that. "Classist" is an empty label that just tries to make people skeptical of government seem that way for selfish reasons. I do genuinely care about other people, I feel that the current system is counterproductive. The proof for people having less incentive to work when things are free is in the government, its less effective. Workers who get paid whether or not they produce any value statistically produce less.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake Well everyone knows that if you jump into a river you are neither in the river nor above. So the best thing to do in this situation is fart on your hands and say a prayer, cause lord knows how many of them rapscallions done did took our jobs.
BATN360 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake Classism is a form of bigotry against people of different socioeconomic classes. It's an "empty label" in the same way that racism is an "empty label". Implying that people who receive benefits from the government are lazy or that they don't work because they have free hand outs it incredibly presumptuous and you have still yet to prove that there is any truth to it.
You can't just keep restating the same thing and say that's proof. Do you have any sources?
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 You are demanding for proof but when I gave you a list of human rights violations the government has not even apologized for you didnt address them. They are: "US Senate recently passed a bill with a provision that allows the indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without trial, the Nazis learned racial cleansing from us government (sterilized minorities and the disabled), the gov is the one that gave bail outs...etc" you can scroll down for the whole thing.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake Again those have nothing to do with socialism. I am asking you to prove to me that people who benefit from social programs do not have jobs. You haven't provided a single statistic that would indicate that people on welfare, food stamps, medicare or other "handouts" are less likely to work....
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 (cont.) "Big government" is not the same as socialism. Socialism is specific to economics. People get communism and socialism confused because they don't understand that socialism doesn't require a tyranny. The Nazis were fascist, which is the exact opposite of socialism and also operates under a tyranny.
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 "Big gov" can be socialism. Its sharing resources among citizens having more public goods. I have no qualms with that, I have a problem with how it undermines private ownership and vilifies capitalism as something selfish. Capitalism and Democracy go hand in hand. When you cast your dollar...you are casting your vote for the products you consume. Whether you have the government pay for them (like schools) or you pay out of pocket, free markets shouldnt be compromised.
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 Communist countries like China and Cuba are transitioning away from big government. Cuba fired 1 million government employees. Puerto Rico fired 7000 workers. Their taxes cannot support that many useless jobs. Also the USSR failed, food was scarce. And now even socialist countries in Europe & Canada are finding problems with their healthcare. There were long lines and riots for medical treatment in England. Canada began to turn to freer markets during the early 2000s.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake firstly, national healthcare is BRITISH, not english. Secondly, the only 'riots' that have occured over the NHS is when the government tried to deconstruct it. Secondly, 'socialist' countries in Europe are doing pretty damn well, look at Scandanavia and look at Germany. There's a difference between big government and socialism.
truelieswow 2 weeks ago
@truelieswow First saying healthcare is British and not English is redundant. England is a component of Britain so it doesn't matter whether I say English/British. Secondly Socialist countries are completely different in nature. They have smaller defense budgets, fewer foreign issues, smaller populations, declining birth rate, and their population is not as diverse as ours. It is easier for them with getting away with providing homogenous products, because its a reflection of them.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake To add on to what truelieswow said, socialism and communism aren't the same thing. I'm talking about a social democracy, one that allows people to vote while at the same time offers more public services. Communism is a socialist dictatorship. They are very different.
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 I know that Communism and Socialism are two different things. The reason I brought them both up is because I wanted to show how they are similar: they both have the government monopolize certain industries that should be private. They both hire many government employees and exhaust government resources in an ineffective way. I mentioned both Communist and Social regimes, I know how they are different. But I think both are a bad alternative to free markets.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake So again, do you believe that public schools and public healthcare are unnecessary? There may be private institutions that can do them better, most people would argue that private schools are intrinsically better, but the whole point of these programs is to give everyone access to the most basic of requirements. Not everyone can afford private schooling or medical insurance. Should they just go without these things altogether?
doombuggy123 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 Im not saying that poor people are not entitled to these basic needs. They can still get them through a different system. Im saying that the government should focus on paying tuition and not building bad schools. They should opt for the voucher system. Why should the gov pay administration costs and teachers salaries...leave that for private or charter schools to set up, all the gov has to do is provide tuition. I think health care should follow a similar structure.
rheniumlake 1 week ago
@doombuggy123 As for the class thing, I am not wealthy so there is no reason for me to be at war with welfare. I just know that when the government interferes with what should be our own private choices it limits our options in the market. What if I dont like my public school but thats the one im forced to go to, because the government gives money to my school and not me the student. I dont like how the government takes money from the people and then makes lifestyle choices for us
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake The whole point of a social democracy is that people are taken care of, but they aren't living under tyranny. You can vote on the issues, if you have a problem with the education system you can vote on policies that affect it or get involved in other ways. When you give all the power to the private sector you completely lose your voice - you operate under the will of the CEOs. How is that better?
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
@doombuggy123 There is no way people will ever "operate under the will of CEOs" because businesses become big because they provide services people WANT to pay for. Why would you keep buying something bad? Companies lose money if they attempt to sell products that are not useful to anyone. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs didnt get rich for nothing. No business person can force people to buy from them, but the government can force you to pay taxes for products that you dont want.
rheniumlake 2 weeks ago
@rheniumlake You're missing the point. You have no say in the way a private company operates. If you don't like their marketing, their methods of production, their discriminatory practices, etc. the only thing you as a person can do is not buy their product. You have no say in their decision making. You have quite an impact on public institutions though.
doombuggy123 2 weeks ago
Well, I life in the Netherlands and it does work. Now that the social standard is being broken down, like cheap education, we are getting more and more to the way the US is working and being able to study becomes something for the richt again...
toverkleet 5 months ago in playlist Bill Maher Politically Incorrect (110)
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im2PacsFather 6 months ago
It's interesting how Bill's ideas on socialism in general have changed so much since then. I'm also watching this after his New Rules of how America secretly love socialism.
xTheDynastQueenx 6 months ago
by the by.. STFU STUPID BITCH YOU ARE DUMB AS HELL AND NOONE WANNA LISTEN TO YOUR SPASTIC ASS JIBBERING ABOUT NONSENSE!
Smartis1985 6 months ago
I am from Norway. We are a social democratic society. We do fckn fine.
Smartis1985 6 months ago 35
@Smartis1985 Are there companies in Norway?
AmericanBadass44 5 months ago
@AmericanBadass44 Shouldnt it be?
Smartis1985 5 months ago
@Smartis1985 Well socialism and companies don't really go hand in hand
AmericanBadass44 5 months ago
@AmericanBadass44 Hahahaha you made my day, ahhhh that was funny. Funny and stupid.
SuppaNih 4 months ago
@AmericanBadass44 What?
LondonIrishRover 4 months ago
@Smartis1985 you are shit
JoeROGANisDUMB 4 months ago
@JoeROGANisDUMB Thank you for the intellectual feedback, now go watch some Carlos Mencia.
Smartis1985 4 months ago
@Smartis1985 you lil girl
JoeROGANisDUMB 4 months ago
@JoeROGANisDUMB Indeed.
Smartis1985 4 months ago
@Smartis1985 you have oil and you drill for it. and you have a more and more neo liberal model every year.
ajgolfer1 3 months ago
@Smartis1985 you also have 1.6% the population of the U.S. If we implemented socialism here, we would most certainly not do "fckn fine."
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 Social democracy* there is a difference. So yes, eventually you would do fckn fine too.
Smartis1985 3 months ago
@Smartis1985 Democratic Socialism doesn't always give virtues results, take a look at the worst case, Nazi Germany.
islamiscrap8888 2 months ago
@islamiscrap8888 It sounds like you think social democracy was the cause of second world war. Cmon?
Smartis1985 2 months ago
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@Smartis1985 NO, Hitler rose to power through a Democratic Socialist system. Hitler came to power because of Democracy.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 NO, Hitler rose to power through a Democratic Socialist system. Hitler came to power because of Democracy.
islamiscrap8888 2 months ago
@islamiscrap8888 Democratic socialism works great when most of the people in that country aren't idiots.
123BenThere 2 months ago
@123BenThere That's simply not the case. depending on what you're seeking, Democratic socialism can loose by default. The simple principle of steeling someones money and Giving it to another person may not be attractive to people who advocate liberty (Libertarians). It is unnecessary i feel In support of liberty to force an established group of people to pay for another persons miss fortunes.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 Have fun explaining that to a poor kid who was born into the fucking projects and has a crack addicted mom. Are you telling me that because of a capitalistic society that he is just as likely to be president as some over privileged kid born into a wealthy family? This country is already partly socialist (welfare, taxes, and student loans) If everyone was on board with socialism, there would be little problems surrounding it.
123BenThere 1 month ago
@123BenThere are you talking about the government housing projects in America? because, i don't think you should be blaming a government failure on the free market. Socialism failed not the free market.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 I think it's time we grow up as a country and create a system that is an even mixture of a socialist and capitolist society
123BenThere 1 month ago
@123BenThere What? how is that possible? you either have government protecting people from force or fraud or you have government dictating what people can own.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 National Socialism, not democratic
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime Does it matter/
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 yes. nationalism is not the same as democracy.
nationalism is more like capitalism.
nazi literally translates as national socialism
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime How is Nationalism more like Capitalism? Are you talking about Crony Capitalism, Free Market Capitalism, or Anarcho Capitalism? Hitler was elected democratically but his power was given to him by Germany's congress. He threatened them but they still gave the power. Nationalism is in no way like free market capitalism. If anything it's more like Crony Capitalism or Corporatism. A perfect example of Corporatism would be the TARP funds.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 capital is territory, land, abstract or otherwise.
a nation is also based on territory, land etc.
hence "nationbuil;ding" and capital-building.
nations have capitals.
based on your capital u build a 'nation'., a 'business empire'.
d u c the similarities?
democracy is not something we have. what we have is every 4 years, we're coerced into choosing a guy pre selected by market forces, and then we're stuck with them 4 the next 4 years where they do what they like
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime I know capital is territory hence the word capital. we elect officials democratically but this doesn't mean that I'm saying we have democracy. The United States is suppose to be a Republic; The evidence for the United States being a Republic is the overwhelming fact that we have a written Constitution. When i refer to free market capitalism, I am referring to what the individual can do.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 i'm not saying the US isnt a republic.
i'm drawing the similarities between capitalism and nationalism.
i understand that a re-public is a govt founded by the people for the people, representing the public, and is therefore a socialist concept.
but the notion of a free market contradicts the principle of a constitution existing. public servants can exist in a republic, but a business class(or capitalism) cannot.
either a market is free or it isn't.
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime There isn't any similarity between nationalism a free market capitalism. No, that is not what a republic is. A republic is when there is a written document that dictates what rights are and who has them. It is not by default a democracy which is ruled by the MOB. A free market is different from a Anarchy market. A free market aims to have as much economic freedom for the Individual as possible. The government protects people from force and fraud.
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@islamiscrap8888 according to WordIQ.com..."A republic in its basic sense, is constitutional government. The word is derived from the Latin res publica, or "public things". It is an ordering of society under a written set of laws and a society that has the concept of the rule of law."
so the public has to be represented in the law in some way. your definition allows a monarchy to be a republic.
The term "democracy" need not have been invented if it were simply 'mob rule'!
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime The republic of the United States allows for representatives and congressmen to exist. The people under the United States Constitution have the right to vote for the Representatives and Congressmen of their area. This is what the republic of the United States for. Republics allow for only a written document to be authoritative
islamiscrap8888 1 month ago
@Smartis1985 I am from Finland and I can vouch for social democracy as well.
SternMann93 1 month ago 2
Good greif the GOP hosed us with passing that disabled person's act without putting in some commen sense limitations to it.
adknerr 6 months ago
Bill Mahar was in favor of the death penalty? Man, times have changed. The socialist is in favor of raising taxes, and warehousing murderers. I guess if you are going to keep a person in a cage for their entire life, the money has to come from somewhere? As for the wheelchair ramp to the top of the mountain, why dont we just level the mountains, and cover everything in concrete? Fill in the grand canyon so people with disabilities can cross it? Hell, someone could fall in and sue the govt.
rb2112002 6 months ago
I wish that chick next to Joe would just shut up.
rb2112002 6 months ago 2
What's sucks about these debates is that none of these panelists are open-minded enough to be persuaded.
1thruZ 7 months ago 2
@1thruZ You mean brainwashed? If you dont like democracy, leave. Isnt that simple?
rb2112002 6 months ago
I'd like to see Milton Friedman on this panel. I don't agree with everything he's said, by far, but at least he could lay out arguments logically and point out where you're talking about principles vs. degrees of difference.
newguy33X 7 months ago
We should be putting murderers in labor camps for the rest of their lives not kill them, if your willing to kill some one your probably willing to die also, and then the tax payers are not paying for them
InWeedWeTrust420 8 months ago
@InWeedWeTrust420 The U.S. does put tons of people in jail for life, for smaller crimes. Now people are saying the problem is that prisons are for profit, that prison labour is the new slavery...with some innocent people, as well as many over-sentenced. Prisons already make 30% of small appliances in the U.S. and 100% of some military items. With modern machinery, 1% of the population can make a hell of a lot for cheap:
watch?v=8E7wgFcCefE
newguy33X 7 months ago
@newguy33X "100% of some military items."
jetset808 7 months ago
@jetset808 I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
newguy33X 7 months ago
@newguy33X no i get your point and agree with it .. i'm just being a smart ass :)
jetset808 7 months ago
@jetset808 Alright.
newguy33X 7 months ago
im here cuz joes here
blusuck 8 months ago
this was a great show, politically incorrect.
now we got bill maher show filled with people who kiss his ass and vice versa
MrJayra210 8 months ago
Someone needs to tell Kari that men are talking
Polarbear53041 8 months ago 3
i don't know why- but i just really hate bill maher. something about his face or his attitude- i don't know what it is.
filos219 9 months ago
i hate ever agreeing with bill maher.. but here i so do. Screw the wheelchairs.. they screw themselves all the time with those rules anyway.
daPlumber702 10 months ago
bill maher is a mean dude
LilBlitz116 10 months ago
Joe Rogan and Kari Wuhrer are complete and utter idiots
milstone1 10 months ago
@milstone1 ur parents r idiots
LilBlitz116 10 months ago
I'm so glad I never watched his show until he was forced to switch to HBO, this seems so watered-down now compared to Real Time.
oobah2 10 months ago
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oobah2 10 months ago
this shit makes me cringe
jayleeb1 10 months ago
It appears there are two chimpanzees sitting opposite the candidate.
incredibleXMan 10 months ago 12
Kari Wuhrer is retarded. No wonder i've never heard of her.
kfoster5416 10 months ago
Rogan for President
TRL247 10 months ago
im not for caping the amount of money CEOs can make but i am for making sure that thos CEOs are making their money in a fair way and not exploting the workers... bail outs and golden parachutes= soialism lol
sxcboy4u 11 months ago
A cripple can climp a mountain... If the only use their arms as opposed to using a wheel chair. Read "No excuses", it is about a boy with stumps for arms and legs wrestling and placing 8th in the State tournament!
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
Bill Maher wouldn't be so biased against handicapped people if it were him who needed a machine to breathe
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
@jagdjohn96
but he's not talking about breathing. he's talking about climbing a mountain, which this person in a wheel chair did NOT do. he forced someone to do it for him, because it is his "right".
climbing a mountain is a recreational activity that some people can't do. to take money away from other state funded and very needed areas is horrible.
they are forcing this to happen just so they can do it too
i can't climb a mountain, but i'm not going to force the govt to buy my special machines
idrewanx 11 months ago
@idrewanx what if you were handicapped and wanted to climb a mountain(I dont see why), but the govt. needed to put wheelchair ramps where there were stairs to be fair
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
@jagdjohn96
if i was handicapped i wouldn't climb a mountain. some people just cant do certain things, like maher said there are plenty of things i cant do, and i'm fine with that. i dont need to prove it to anyone simply because they say i cant.
so this ridiculous ramp system is put into place 2 people use it and its never touched again
$300,000 that could have built a community center or fed some starving children
but a dude who can't walk got to climb a mountain (got carried)
ego stroked
idrewanx 11 months ago
@idrewanx they can climb certain mountains just fine, but not verticle mountains
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
@jagdjohn96
so do i, they're called stairs.
all mountains are vertical, that's what makes them mountains. a horizontal mountain is called a field.
if you can't climb them, look at them.
it doesn't mean you are worthless, just different.
personally, i think mountain climbers are a bunch a insecure jerk-offs anyway.
they only do it so they can make other people feel inferior.
idrewanx 11 months ago
@idrewanx I mean those mountains with little cliff style paths carved into their sides by erosion, not steep mountains. But I would rather spent 60 billion for a cripple to climp a mountain, rather than spending it on a star wars program.
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
@jagdjohn96 People like you. It's people like you that ruin this world.
TheMasteratLink 7 months ago
Bill has changed so much, really fed into the right/left competition and ran all the way to the bank
TheWhiteyBrown 1 year ago
Man, Bill Maher changed BIG TIME. Back then he was an actual libertarian nowadays he is a self admitted socialist.
eathis12 1 year ago
Cant belive 4/5 people on the panel and 2/3 of the audience cheered for death penatly of a person who commited a crime at the age of 17. I just dont understand Americans, im not sorry if i offend anyone cause you have so many fucked up people that its just insane. The western country that care least for it's people.
skarpzor 1 year ago
@skarpzor But the fear of the death penalty stops quite a lot of murders, in the united kingdom people can rape and kill and be out of prison in 10 years, hence they don't fear the law.
GBDazzler 7 months ago
@GBDazzler I don't think the consensus is that the death penalty is a deterrent. There have been societies where violence, death penalties, public displays of criminals being killed, etc. were common and it has usually led to the acceptance of violent death as usual. How's the murder rate in Canada? Right next to the U.S., much of the same media and culture, people can access guns, especially criminals...but no death penalty.
newguy33X 7 months ago
I am looking for an example here...
07saalhol 1 year ago
Crazy. I have lost respect for Joe Rogan. He talks about how hallucinogens made him see how life was all one, how the universe is love, how we should care for one another blah blah blah. But not if he might have to pay for some of it out of his own pocket eh?
mrgimp420 1 year ago
@mrgimp420 This is from 10 years ago. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago.
jelinto 1 year ago
@mrgimp420
You have to remember this was 10 YEARS AGO. This was before Joe even started smoking marijuana. People opinions change.
ugasdf 1 year ago 2
750 billion dollar defense and war fighting budget. 600 billion dollar annual interest to the Federal Reserve shareholders. 1 trillion dollars extra for banks. 875 billion for big business 'stimulus'.
But free health care for commoner peasants?!?! Education for these slack jawed yokels?!?! Quality of life for people who are not me? Free ivy league college for people who were not born into that world?????? WE CANT AFFORD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mrgimp420 1 year ago 2
There are so many misconceptions of socialism, like the notion that it goes hand-in-hand with human rights abuse and oppressive regimes. Well what about the pre-Castro, US-backed Cuban regime? The pre-Mao, US-backed mainland China state? And speaking of China, are they not now more of a capitalist country than a socialist country? And yet they still have some of the worst standards of liberty in the world. Freedom is not dictated by the economic system but by the people in charge
acphenom 1 year ago
Bill maher is entirely different now.
atki2828 1 year ago
Joe Rogan and Kari Wuhrer are idiots.
DestructiveMass 1 year ago 3
That old dude keeps bringing up wars and shit when thats not even the subject. Shut the fuck up, you geezer, you're wrong.
YamiRyan4509 1 year ago
@YamiRyan4509
That's because it should be the subject and the nonsense about an isolated incident involving handicaps and mountains is fluff for empty-heads who don't want to discuss real issues.
To hell with them and their fluff. If David has the integrity to bring up "wars and shit" then more power to him.
LivesUnderABridge 1 year ago
bill maher has issues...
marsacko16 1 year ago
Hey look its Special Agent Tanya!!!! Here to rescue Capitalism from the jaws of the Reds!
Gooseman2k2 1 year ago
That loud ginger bitch has a head full of nothing.
ezzthemc 1 year ago
Socialism sucks and KAri Wuhrer is more informed then most 'Kool-Aid' drinkers.
ECMarine6 1 year ago
Everyone shouting emotionally at a man with evidence.
pixxispad 1 year ago 17
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Tunewill 4 months ago
Bill Maher is a moron
Fizzwut 1 year ago
This was when I really admired Bill Maher. Now he's a bitter old man.
holdenc96 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@holdenc96 Old ? Were you dropped on the head ?
agirotil 1 year ago
this is joe before weed i think
TibetanFoxx 1 year ago
@TibetanFoxx Agreed.
T0ASTYWAG1992 1 year ago
joe rogan makes this show
ryguy272 1 year ago
bill maher is as close to pure retardation as you can get..
DroppinKnowledge69 1 year ago
"deal with the cardsyour dealt " bill is a punk and hes not funny and hes a douche and hes gay Fuck you bill!
Ensor125 1 year ago
fuk bill
Ensor125 1 year ago