It is grand to hear this new understanding of the facts. I think that it also requires love for this that we call "Life"
Today, one of my students said "It's creepy to realize that all is connected, I simply do not like it" Where one finds beauty another finds a structure of dominance.
Denying this explanation is leaving human intelligence out of life, out of Nature. Very convenient if you want to think that our cultural, self-destructive creations are something to stand for ( Literary, religious, scientific , poetic, philosophical ones). This idea is really healing as we can cast away the engulfing bag of separability and come out with new paradigms which can shift this destructive pattern .
I salute your initiative to help difuse the concept of NI. However, there are some points that are not quite outlined. like the understanding of both words "intelligence" and "conscioussness",wich can easily collide with eachother. is conscioussness an exclusive attribute of the human being? Cheers
@joaocardoso123 - well, who knows? As far as we know, it is a property associated with brains and polyneuronal complexity. I see bio-logic as a kind of unconscious intelligence.
@psybinetic I think that's what buddhists refer to as god. We refer it to unconscious because of our egos. There is Ego Consciousness and then there is the higher consciousness :)
Evolution by natural selection is an information processor which can produce expert systems, in reproducing creatures. Intelligence implies consciousness, foresight, motivation and teleos. This concept of natural intelligence carries unnecessary baggage, contains no specific mechanisms, and explains and predicts nothing.
@michalchik - I don't think intelligence needs to imply consciousness - I think you can have autonomous unconscious intelligence - which is what I think life is. NI is a new interpretation of the facts at hand and not meant to make predictions and such. Life is smart - its as simple as that really.
@psybinetic Well, ok, If you are making what is essential an esthetic statemnt about the nature of life, fine. But that living systems are great organized information processors is a well established principle of science, you see it in homeostasis and conditioned responses but both those ideas are specific and can be used to make predictions. I am in science in part because I think life is way cool, and I do share your appreciation for its amazing organization and information processing
@psybinetic I posted my original comments mainly because what you were saying sounded like it could be misinterpreted of a blend of anti-evolution pantheistic creationism, and I am so fricking tired of creationists though i find the pantheistic versions more tolerable than biblical versions.
@michalchik - the biomimicry movement is founded upon emulating what they call 'Nature's genius'. Appraisals are important - how we appraise something may determine how we treat it and relate to it etc.
@psybinetic I basically agree, I just think i found what you have found through traditional scientific paradigms. Perhaps you had crappy science teachers or did not really make it to the level of science where there is lots of creative speculation. Yeah, the papers can seem very dry and jargonesque but you have to realize that this is boring the same way a sculptures clay is boring. It is a vital raw material for the process.
Leslie Orgel's Second Law: "Evolution is smarter than you are".
Looking for absolute theories is useless. Nature does not stay frozen; it evolves and changes in connection with what it was before; Science does follow this natural path according to what was known before. It does not necessarily come out with previously unknown objects. It reorganizes and interprets again what is known.
intelligence means inter-gather so natural systes and life is fo sure expert at intergathering and reaching mutual benifits. cognitive is more like picking things apart to get around repetitive or self deconstructive patterns that collaps our ability to intigrate with things around us. very good vid!
Technology is typically build to a certain purpose only, with a complete disregard for its relationship with the rest of the world. That is contrary to the nature where the health of the whole (incl. pack & liv. environment) helps the survival of its parts. And since animals can understand the value of their own health, can they via compassion and an analogy of the whole to their own life understand also the value of the health of the whole, which understanding helps their own survival. -> Gaia?
What is already ready made, complex but well fitted to form a well working whole, well suited to its purpose,like the nature is, is in character very different from things in their building phace where product development is still lacking, like is with tools and technology.
We have natural ways of looking at the nature, understanding it in its complexity and intentionality: emphaty and feelings at large. The ways of looking at the much less complex technology and the build world are different.
Life is a real kind of *natural* technology running on the Universe. We, of course, can learn from it and copy it - like building underwater robots with a fusiform shape like sharks and dolphins, or studying bird wings to develope aircraft wings etc.
I should just point out, or at least reiterate, that the content of this clip (and my other clips) is not alligned with either creationism (in all its guises) or the traditional scientific approach to evolution. The 'natural intelligence paradigm' is basically a new, albeit unorthodox, way of comprehending Nature and Nature's capacity to engineer life. The debate about evolution has hitherto been markedly polarised. This is, I hope, an alternative.
It is grand to hear this new understanding of the facts. I think that it also requires love for this that we call "Life"
Today, one of my students said "It's creepy to realize that all is connected, I simply do not like it" Where one finds beauty another finds a structure of dominance.
franklottar 3 months ago
Denying this explanation is leaving human intelligence out of life, out of Nature. Very convenient if you want to think that our cultural, self-destructive creations are something to stand for ( Literary, religious, scientific , poetic, philosophical ones). This idea is really healing as we can cast away the engulfing bag of separability and come out with new paradigms which can shift this destructive pattern .
franklottar 3 months ago
I salute your initiative to help difuse the concept of NI. However, there are some points that are not quite outlined. like the understanding of both words "intelligence" and "conscioussness",wich can easily collide with eachother. is conscioussness an exclusive attribute of the human being? Cheers
joaocardoso123 1 year ago
@joaocardoso123 - well, who knows? As far as we know, it is a property associated with brains and polyneuronal complexity. I see bio-logic as a kind of unconscious intelligence.
psybinetic 1 year ago
@psybinetic I think that's what buddhists refer to as god. We refer it to unconscious because of our egos. There is Ego Consciousness and then there is the higher consciousness :)
seigneurvoland666 3 months ago
Evolution by natural selection is an information processor which can produce expert systems, in reproducing creatures. Intelligence implies consciousness, foresight, motivation and teleos. This concept of natural intelligence carries unnecessary baggage, contains no specific mechanisms, and explains and predicts nothing.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik - I don't think intelligence needs to imply consciousness - I think you can have autonomous unconscious intelligence - which is what I think life is. NI is a new interpretation of the facts at hand and not meant to make predictions and such. Life is smart - its as simple as that really.
psybinetic 1 year ago
@psybinetic Well, ok, If you are making what is essential an esthetic statemnt about the nature of life, fine. But that living systems are great organized information processors is a well established principle of science, you see it in homeostasis and conditioned responses but both those ideas are specific and can be used to make predictions. I am in science in part because I think life is way cool, and I do share your appreciation for its amazing organization and information processing
michalchik 1 year ago
@psybinetic I posted my original comments mainly because what you were saying sounded like it could be misinterpreted of a blend of anti-evolution pantheistic creationism, and I am so fricking tired of creationists though i find the pantheistic versions more tolerable than biblical versions.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik - the biomimicry movement is founded upon emulating what they call 'Nature's genius'. Appraisals are important - how we appraise something may determine how we treat it and relate to it etc.
psybinetic 1 year ago
@psybinetic I basically agree, I just think i found what you have found through traditional scientific paradigms. Perhaps you had crappy science teachers or did not really make it to the level of science where there is lots of creative speculation. Yeah, the papers can seem very dry and jargonesque but you have to realize that this is boring the same way a sculptures clay is boring. It is a vital raw material for the process.
Leslie Orgel's Second Law: "Evolution is smarter than you are".
michalchik 1 year ago
I feel safe being cared for by the big Adidas shoe in the sky. All hail.
evanstm 2 years ago
well it was an interesting theory but it tends to fall apart in the long run
AquarianWarKitten 2 years ago
@AquarianWarKitten
Looking for absolute theories is useless. Nature does not stay frozen; it evolves and changes in connection with what it was before; Science does follow this natural path according to what was known before. It does not necessarily come out with previously unknown objects. It reorganizes and interprets again what is known.
franklottar 3 months ago
one must watch the video about 4 or 5 times to trully grasp.thank you psybinetic.
vdopower66 2 years ago
Well, I must have done a poor job then! I am, even now, trying to improve my conveyance of such information.
psybinetic 2 years ago
intelligence means inter-gather so natural systes and life is fo sure expert at intergathering and reaching mutual benifits. cognitive is more like picking things apart to get around repetitive or self deconstructive patterns that collaps our ability to intigrate with things around us. very good vid!
Beardedyoungman 2 years ago
this is very important. this guy is quite a spokesman for
nature and its value, beyond our technology, but comprising our intelligence.
permacultureli 2 years ago
Technology is typically build to a certain purpose only, with a complete disregard for its relationship with the rest of the world. That is contrary to the nature where the health of the whole (incl. pack & liv. environment) helps the survival of its parts. And since animals can understand the value of their own health, can they via compassion and an analogy of the whole to their own life understand also the value of the health of the whole, which understanding helps their own survival. -> Gaia?
khtervola 3 years ago
People building and working on various 'Green technologies' might disagree with you...
psybinetic 3 years ago
What is already ready made, complex but well fitted to form a well working whole, well suited to its purpose,like the nature is, is in character very different from things in their building phace where product development is still lacking, like is with tools and technology.
We have natural ways of looking at the nature, understanding it in its complexity and intentionality: emphaty and feelings at large. The ways of looking at the much less complex technology and the build world are different.
khtervola 3 years ago
Life is a real kind of *natural* technology running on the Universe. We, of course, can learn from it and copy it - like building underwater robots with a fusiform shape like sharks and dolphins, or studying bird wings to develope aircraft wings etc.
psybinetic 3 years ago
The brain is more complex than that: what is written on the brain affects what will in the future be written there.
khtervola 3 years ago
Mostly.
Constavlos 3 years ago
Beautiful.
museumoftechno 4 years ago
I should just point out, or at least reiterate, that the content of this clip (and my other clips) is not alligned with either creationism (in all its guises) or the traditional scientific approach to evolution. The 'natural intelligence paradigm' is basically a new, albeit unorthodox, way of comprehending Nature and Nature's capacity to engineer life. The debate about evolution has hitherto been markedly polarised. This is, I hope, an alternative.
psybinetic 4 years ago