Ok Trinitarians show me one place in the bible where someone is baptized the way u were baptized I'm baptized in Jesus name I'm from that same church Peter was from in my church miracles happen we speak in New tounges my church is full of ex Trinitarians ex jahovas witnesses ex Baptist ex everything because they found the truth
"If anyone denies that the Father is eternal, that the Son is eternal, and that the Holy Spirit is eternal: he is a heretic.If anyone says that the Son made flesh was not in heaven with the Father while He was on earth: he is a heretic.If anyone denies that the Holy Spirit has all power and knows all things, and is everywhere, just as the Father and the Son: he is a heretic."
@filoIII I'd advised you to do the same. In 1 Jn 5:7, notice John did not say Father Son and Hoy Ghost BUT he did say Father WORD and Holy Ghost. If this verse was trying to teach distinct persons then why didn't John write Son? Because he was referring to the thought plan and mind of God not some separate distinct person. This verse discussed the three roles of Father Word and Holy Ghost of the One God, Jesus Christ, "these three are one."
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. KJV ACTS 2:38 FOR LIFE
My question would be is how would trinitarianism be valid in regarding the God of the Holy Bible? To believe in three persons and each to have its own distinct power as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, you would run into the conflict of one person ranking higher or lower in power, therefore having multiple gods. "...the Lord our God is one Lord." His word is sufficient! God Bless!
To those comments that may regard oneness Pentecostals as a "cult" ought to look up and understand what a "cult" actually is. Regardless in whichever context you may use the word it will always set off a negative tone. Every denomination all began in the belief of One God. Nowhere in the Word of God does it mention "trinity" or "three" in relation to God BUT NUMEROUS TIMES do we find ONE describing God Himself.
@SiMichaelAko 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.--Careful now.
God is not limited to place. The Bible said Genesis 1:26 and Isaiah 6:8 uses us. The Shema, d6:4, has 3 names of God in the first verse with 3 parts while the Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which is name of God in Judaism meaning self existing. Since Jesus said he has Fahter, Jesus has a Father or he lied. Either way Oneness if false.
& uStill Ignored Every Verse except Colossian 1:15... Smh, read them all. Please! & do it Studyful & prayerful, & do it with aReal Bible..(Any translation but NLT or NWT)
I say, ‘You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.
Oops, God misspoke. Out of curiosity, do you know where Oneness Pentecostals go? Satan has used the UPCI to harvest and lead others away from the true God and the true Messiah by stating Messiah was man, yet God and God was omnipresent while on earth therefore having no body whatsoever therefore, just a body died for the sins of man. Oneness believers go to HELL!
other gods are an abomination unto the LORD... So if the angels are gods & Jesus is a god & we are all gods... We are all abominations unto the LORD... Thats pretty much what uAre saying but uAre prolly ignoring those scripts as well.
& if iOffend you, iAm honestly sorry, but uAre slightly offending me with erronious mis-carriage of the Scriptures iLove so much. NASB is the best, yo. Get 1, or check it out online.
@Daniellezerable uGot caught up on one & went off on it With an ignorance of the original translation & an ignorance of the scriptures. Read Isaiah.. Angels are NEVER refered 2As gods & it says in psalms we are like gods..& proper translation there: Judges not literal gods. Gosh, uNeed 2Learn more & Get aBetter Bible, iReccomend aKJV or ESV or aNASB** but that NLT or New World Translation uObviously Have is Trash & Heresy. #Pray this time iMean it, dont be so Prideful, when udek what uAre doin..
@Daniellezerable Rev 3:12 say "I will write the name of my God..." then it says "I will write upon them MY name"... uIgnore 2Much scripture, even in the same verses uTry 2Quote against me. & We are made in His IMAGE but not given his power, uAre Not reading the rest read past 1:15 & read 1:16-20, iTold you 2Read & Pray b4 commenting, uDidnt & now uMake yourself look prideful & dumb, NoOffence, humble opinion. & uDid not read or acknowledge the rest of those verses did you? & Dont lie, uDidnt,..
If Jesus Has ALL Power in Heaven & Earth(Matthew 28:18) is the Father powerless? & is the HolyGhost Powerless? No cuz: John 1:1-14, 8:58, 10:30, 14. The Father & The Son Are One & The Same. Matthew 1:18-20, Luke 1:35, John 14:16-18,25-27, Acts 3:19-20. The HolyGhost is the Father & Jesus is the HolyGhost.
@JIIBlessed This is bcause the Father gave Him that authority. I have actually been studying Newton a lot and indeed, that verse IS corrupted. Now, let's look at John 10:30. Verse 29, the Father is more powerful than ALL. The Father and are one - and heis can be translated to "in agreement". So bad argument.
@Danielezerable (Newton? KJV is as accurate as it gets without looking at original Scripts... What does 1Tim 3:16 say in the original scripts, if it is "corrupted"?) & No, the correct greek term there Means 1 in number as in Singular. & What about all the other scriptures iShowed 2You, did uEven bother 2Look them up?... Answer this: Is the HolyGhost the Father?
& Read John 10:25-at least 38... Jesus Is (at the very least) God. & if uUnderstand the scripture correctly, he is the "Father" incarate or Made (manifest) Flesh.. John 1:14... 1Tim 3:16
@JIIBlessed 1 Timothy 3:16 is corrupted. KJV is the only version you will find with that in it. Also, Christ is in you. Do you believe that means you are Jesus? So therefore, your argument is actually laughable. Also, John 1:1 - In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was A god.
@Danielezerable Here is 1Tim 3:16 in The NASB- By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory. Its in NIV & NLT 2, so dont lie 2Me.. & Christ in You is the HolyGhost (Romans 8:9- Spirit of God dwell in you...any man have not the Spirit of Christ) Jesus Is the HolyGhost & the HolyGhost Is the Father. Also if uAre reading from an NLT or
... New World Translation, uNeed 2Cross reference it with the NASB or the ESV, cuz it is so filled with false translations & Flat out heresies. iCheck my KJV by them as well. John 1:1 The Word was, was with God & was God... No "a god" Cuz there is ONLY ONE GOD Deut. 6:4, Isaiah 43:10-11. John 1:14- Word was made flesh. JESUS is the Flesh, Which means God was in the Flesh, 1Tim 3:16.. Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of...
@JIIBlessed Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' Note: gods. John 10:34 Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!' Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 2 Cor. 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. So "a god" is an appropriate translation.
@JIIBlessed Also, you brought up 1 Timothy 3:16 again..."HE WHO" that He was Jesus not God my friend. You and Trinitarians alike actually create a Jesus with TWO personalities. Also, I do believe God sent Moses to be a savior unto the Israelites (Acts 7:35) so according to your logic then, Moses is God. What God is literally saying in Isaiah 43 is that no one that He hasn't authorized is capable of saving. Also, John 13:19 is simply Jesus saying He is the Messiah, not God.
..reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has [c]committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
@JIIBlessed Also, you keep using the notion of "God being in Christ" to claim that Jesus is God. How do you do so yet when Paul claims Christ is in him, he never once (and you I hope never once) used that to mean that he was Jesus. =o
@Danielezerable uContinue 2Dismiss all my points. God was in Man Christ Jesus. There is One Mediator between God & Men.. the man Christ Jesus.. In the Torah (Jewish/OT Law) We are not 2Praise, worship, honor, any1, anything, but Yahweh (or in most bibles the LORD thy GOD or sumthin close).. But the people constantly worship Jesus, Praise Jesus, honor him all in & throughout the Gospels. So whats that mean? & We know God didnt change his mind cuz in Revelation, John went 2Worship Jesus' Angel..
Acts 7:35 nor anywhere in the bible refers 2Moses as the Saviour, the language in Isaiah 43 is pretty clear I AM the only Saviour & the Only Redeemer & the Only God.. john 10:34 is 3Verses after the Jews were gonna stone him cuz He called himself God, by say I & Father are One & in thier language that is like 2Say I AM the Father.. John 13:9 has nuthin 2Do with this except Jesus rose Lazuras from the dead, who can raise people from the dead except God? John 14:9 iThink uMeant clearly states..
@JIIBlessed And to further make clear, Jesus did not claim to be God in John 10:30 and in their language they should have figured out this was "one connected" because Jesus's own words destroy your false misinterpretation on this in John 17:22 and John 10:29. Basically, we go from Oneness Jesus who is ultra demon-possessed to Trinitarian Jesus who is just demon-possessed to Arian Jesus who knows exactly who He is. Also, if I am not mistaken, Kurios can be interpreted "Master" and/or "Supreme Aut
@JIIBlessed hority". Thus, they are distinct titles for God and His Christ much like "sir" does not necessarily apply to only one man. That is, when used with God, it literally gives Him the title "Supreme Authority, God Almighty" and with Jesus "Master God's Christ".
"uSee Me, uSee the Father" which again is like 2Say I AM the Father. Maybe uShould better learn your own language & the native tounges of the Jews. JESUS name is Yah(Yahweh)Shua(Is Salvation) & He shall be called Emmanuel which literally means God With Us. Isaiah 7:14, Matt 1:23.. & Check Out Isaiah 9:6... what is Jesus 2Be Called? the Mighty God, the Everlasting *Father*.. Come on, uArent making your point, uAre helping me make mine. Dont become prideful in your religion, bro. Accept the truth
@JIIBlessed "Worship" in the context is "adoration" or "reverence" given for someone of higher honor than you. Because Jesus is God's Christ, the people were recognizing His authority. So...again, Christ is in Paul. Do you believe Paul is Christ? Also, check out Isaiah 9:7. GOD gives Jesus these names and check out the link I have on my channel.
@Danielezerable Isaiah 9:7 jus continues 2Describe the infiniteness of Jesus' kingdom, that will order it, establish it with judgement & justice 4Ever.. Then it says Yahweh(the LORD of hosts) Will Do this. Isaiah 9:6-7 Proves Jesus IS Yahweh, iDont understand why uBrought that up or why uContinue 2Make my points 4Me. & In that definition of Worship, 1. Why was it not oK 2Worship the Angel, he is higher than John, at least in that point in time, 2. Why in John 20:28 Does Thomas worship & Call..
Jesus "My Lord, My God" & Jesus does not rebuke him, but compliments him on his Faith & Belief?... Why In Acts 20:28 is "The Church that God hath purchased with his own blood", if we all know Jesus was Lamb bled & slain? Cuz Jesus is God, Jesus Is Yahweh & Deut. 6:4 there is Only 1Yahweh.
@JIIBlessed Yes, as in it is by His Father (God's) Spirit working through Jesus that Jesus was able to reconcile humanity back to His Father (God). All Isaiah 9:7 means is that Yahweh will enable His Son Yeshua (there were a lot with this name in the OT actually) the power. Also, Thomas is making a statement that he has renewed his faith in God because of the risen Christ. Also, God was with us by placing His Spirit on Jesus. This is how Jesus is God with us without being God-in-flesh.
@Danielezerable Sadly that makes no sence & if it did, uDont have any Scripture 2Back up those Assumptions.. Thomas Flat-Out Called Jesus God & God is Flat-Out said 2Have Blood in Acts 20:28, but Jesus' blood is what was used... What does that mean? uAssume rather than take the Bible 4What it it, the Bible is very Literal in what it says & Means.. Only interpretation needed is 4The Parables & Proverbs & they are *Usually clear..
@JIIBlessed Yeah it does. The original words were also "The Lord of me and the God of me!" Thomas is making an exclamation of faith. Here's another interpretation: Thomas was one of the disciples in John 14:5-9 which has been misinterpreted by people now and correctly deemed heresy by the early church and that Thomas is seeing God-in-Christ, not God-is-Christ.
@Danielezerable 1st of all, that simply isnt true & iDont believe uTruly know much of the Hebrew or Greek.. Even IF (Which its not) all that heresy uJus told me was true.. How about All the Instance where Jesus is said to "Sit/Stand on the right hand of God" which originally interpreted in the Greek & Hebrew is aPhrase meaning "Sits/Stands at Full Power & Authority of God" This is after he is "Taken Up in Glory", tell me this doesnt mean he's God, cuz who else could hold the FULL power of God?..
@JIIBlessed 1. Yes they are. And if you note: John 20:17 - Jesus HAS a God thus, Thomas could also be looking up to the sky when he says: "my God!" Also, Revelation 1:1 - GIVEN to Christ. Rev. 1:8 - Jesus is quoting angel who is quoting Jehovah. The word "Lord" in the NT when referenced as distinction between Christ and "Lord" can also be interpreted Jehovah (in my humble defense). Nembers 23:19 - God is NOT A MAN! JESUS IS A MAN! I also have objections to the words written in red in Rev. 22 bec
@JIIBlessed ause Jesus is not addressed as the speaker UNTIL we finally get to Rev. 22:16. 2. The word "godhead" is a GERMAN word! GERMAN! And it was ADDED by the Catholic Antichrist just like 1 Timothy 3:16! So no valid argument whatsoever because the Greek properly renders Divinity which is an inherited trait that Jesus receives such as blue eyes are an inherited trait. 3. "First and Last! He's Jehovah!" This is called an eisegesis. Colossians 1:15, FIRSTBORN! Rev. 3:14 FIRST OVER! Other scrip
@JIIBlessed tures too I can point to but we see that Jesus is First and Last in a different way than Jehovah is. You really should check out the link I have on my channel before trying to refute any of my arguments either. 4. To smear butter on you, Psalm 110:1 and Isaiah 52:3 BOTH clearly show Oneness Pentecostalism to be false. For more butter on your face - 1 John 4:12. NO MAN has seen God! So Oneness thus is false.
@Danielezerable John 4:12.. Finish that, no man hath seen god, except the Son.. Explain that.. & in that context it means that no1 at anytime had ever seen God lest they saw the Son aka The Angel Of The LORD proved 2Be God Himself in the OT manifested as an Angel.. uAre once again assuming & twisting scripture...It does not differintiate Jesus & Yahweh being 1st & Last... & uDidnt talk about The (1) Throne of God even the Lamb & HIS servants Shall serve HIM, see HIM & have HIS name..(& That...
@JIIBlessed Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Luke 9:35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”
Question 1: Is Jesus a ventriliquest?
Question 2: Is Jesus His own Son?
Let's face it dude, you now understand why the Angel of Jehovah is called God. It's because God put His name in the angel.
@Danielezerable Exodus is Definitely in reference 2The Man-Jesus, the Flesh which could live & die, thirst & hunger, get scared & grow weary & Even get mad & cry.. & Answer 1: No, but He Is OMNIPRESENT, He is Absoloutely Every & AnyWhere Psalms 139:7-8.. Deut 32:39 God gives himself the attributes we know are of Jesus & in saying so he says there is no gods beside me, meaning Jesus cant be aLower diety or aDiety at all, this verse is clear Jesus(Yahshua) Is LORD(Yahweh) Deut. 4:35 supports it...
..So would uSay The All Powerful, Omnipresent God cant send aVoice from Heaven? It never said that Voice was God or distinguished it & That voice & "the Spirit descending like a dove"(In the greek means he saw aSmile on Jesus' Face) were signs strickly 2Him(John the Baptist) God can manifest in as many things as he want when he want however he wants, He's God. Answer 2. Yes.. The Spirit which is Yahweh(Which reveals his NT Name as Yahshua or Jesus) is the Father 2The Man Christ Jesus. We know...
that Jesus is aSpirit & aMan by what iSaid b4 & There is only 1Mediator between God & Men, The Man Christ Jesus.. & We know Jesus is the Spirit, 2Corinth Ch.3:14-17.Romans 8:9-the Spirit *OF CHRIST*.. & We Know God is Spirit John 4:23-4... & We know the Spirit is the Father(the Father is the Spirit) Matthew 1:18-21, Luke 1:35... Therefore all 3Offices are one person, one spirit, one being, one Name... Phillipians 2:9-11- Jesus is that person, spirit, being & Name & He Is God. +uStill ignore...
many scriptures iHave thrown at you.. Acts 20:28, no response? All the revelation stuff, uIgnore the Singularality of the throne of God even the Lamb & only picked 2or 3Verses 2Combat.. uAre Twisting & Ignoring Bible, dont pick & choose, take in the whole thing.
@JIIBlessed All right, coming back with explanation - The "throne of God, even the Lamb" does not mean that there is one throne that the "lamb" sits on and that they are one person or two persons. It just means God is Supreme Authority/Jehovah Almighty and His Lamb has His own throne because He sits on the right hand of Almighty Jehovah. Acts 20:28 - Do you believe that you and your parents are of same blood? If so, there you go. Jesus is His Father (God's) blood!
@Danielezerable The Throne of God even the Lamb is One Being. Right Hand in Greek & Hebrew is aPhrase Meaning All Power & Authority, so Jesus on Right Hand of God= Jesus Having ALL Gods Power & Authority. Colossians 2:9 also says all of God is in Jesus, not Jesus on Gods Hand +Theres Only One on the throne, Revelation 4:2, & the Lamb is Called God & was slain from the foundation of the world(the begining), Rev 13:6-8, & "God even the Lamb" is adressed with Singular pronouns: His, Him, Rev 22:3-7
@Danielezerable Also Jesus cant be in the Right hand of God, the Book is in the right hand of God. Plus with Acts 20:28 uAre interpretating it wrong, yo. It means literally. God is Spirit he doesnt have Blood, the Only time he ever had Blood was when he was Manifest in the Man-Jesus. 1Tim 3:16, John 1:1 & 1:14. Jesus Is God & The Only True God. 1John 1:2, the Word is eternal life. 5:6-8 Jesus Came by water, blood & the Spirit, 3Bear witness Father, Word, HolyGhost & they are ALL ONE, 3Bear...
@Danielezerable witness in earth Water, Blood & Spirit & they all agree in One(they are the Same), 5:11, eternal life is in the Son, 5:20, "We are in him that is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God, and eternal life." Jesus & Only Jesus is the eternal life, so that does indeed prove Jesus Is God & the Only True God... Cuz Isaiah preaches heavily Only 1God & Saviour & Redeemer & LORD & He Is One & None b4, besides(during) nor after Him, +James 2:19, uBelieve God Is One & uDo Well
@Danielezerable ..We know there cant be 2Gods or more, there can only be 1 & with all that iHave Gave you, uShould know Jesus is God, meaning Jesus is The ONLY God. Also 2John 1:9, who abides in Christ has the Father & the Son.. Cuz John 10:30 & James 2:19, they are One & the Same & ONLY ONE.
@JIIBlessed I have work to do but in John 10:30 it is clearly showing one in purpose. In John 5:20, it is further annunciating that the FATHER is the one true God. Do you realize why I am no longer a "Jesus-is-God" advocate? It is because "Jesus-is-God" advocates only listen to Jesus a PORTION of the time. I can't call myself a follower of Christ if I am still under that delusion. Acts 7:35 proves that what Jehovah is really meaning is that no one AUTHORIZED by Him is qualified to be savior.
@JIIBlessed "God, even the Lamb"? Where do you get the nonsense it is calling the Lamb God? Really? Christ means "God-ordained". God ordained self? Daniel, even you. And yes - one God but there are other gods modeled after the one God. John 1:1 - The Word was A god.
@Danielezerable *I*John 5:20, iBelieve that says Jesus is the One True God, cuz the only way 2Eternal Life is Jesus, it says that all thru 1John... & uAre reading Heretic Translation John 1:1 ..the Word Was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. not "a god" Isaiah 43:10 say I Am he: before me there was NO God formed, niether shall there be After me. Jesus was not another god, the Word says there hasnt & will never be another god. uSir are aConstant Ignore-er of Scripture. #ReadIt
@Danielezerable #ReadThis & my previous comment b4 uComment again: Theres Only One on the throne, Revelation 4:2, & the Lamb is Called God & was slain from the foundation of the world(the begining), Rev 13:6-8, & "God even the Lamb" is adressed with Singular pronouns: His, Him, Rev 22:3-7
@Danielezerable Colossians 1:15-20: This calls Jesus the Image of the Father,First b4 all creation,thats cuz he is called Creator, the head of the church, hes preeminent, & All the fullness dwells in Him. & He Reconciled the World from Sins & Darkness 2HIMSELF. Colossians 2:9-10 All the fullness of (the) God(Head) dwells in HIM, He is the head of all principality & power & we are complete in Him. Thats all talkin about Strickly Jesus.. Sorry jus had 2Add that. #ReadIt Then #Pray Then #Comment
@JIIBlessed Okay, Genesis says we are made in the image of God. This means that if Colossians should be interpreted that way, then...WE'D BE GOD! *gasp* There are actually other gods modeled after the One God. Gill: Angels are sometimes called gods, Psalm 8:4 because they are sent of God...kings and civil magistrates are called gods, Psalm 82:6. So again, "a god" does not conflict with Biblical monotheism whatsoever. Further, Jesus's authority comes from God - John 10:29.
@JIIBlessed Colossians 2:9 should be more properly rendered - "The fullness of DIVINITY!" Christ is Divine because, like blue eyes, Christ too inherits His Divinity and ALL of His Divine attributes as a GIFT from His Father. So "a god" does NOT conflict with Biblical monotheism because it is just referencing one of the many gods modeled after the one God. Did you read Acts 7:35 or Exodus 7:1. This the reason NWT translates "a god" because if this the case then Moses should be worshipped as God!
name? Acts 4:12, Phillipians 2:9-11. Jesus is that Name. Dont twist some scripture, call others Heresy when iProved there not & Flat-Out ignore others... uEven admitted uAre using your opinion & your understanding... USE GOD's understanding. Amos 3:7, Luke 8:10, Luke 24:45/46, allow Jesus thru the Holy Ghost 2Open your mind & your understanding 2The Scriptures.. Take it as it is, not as uWant2.. Maybe uShould watch ProphecyChannel or FalseTrintyDoctrine.. Bro, Im Praying 4You.. #GraceBeWithYou
Colossians 2:9- the fulness of the God-Head (Which means Absoloutely ALL of God) Is IN Christ.. This is After he Died & Rose.. What About the Scripture saying Jesus Rose Himself from the Dead? How Come in Revelation 22:16 Jesus sends Angels? How come in Rev 1:8,11,17-18,3:12(says my Gods name then My Name),4:2,5:1(the right hand & Jesus isnt in, but the book),11:15-17(Reference God & His Christ, then refers 2Them as 1Person),13:6-8(Lamb slain from foundation of the world, calls the Lamb God)..
21:5-7(Repeats what Jesus said & since we know there cannot be 2First & Lasts, etc.., it is Jesus & then he says the men shall be his son, which makes Jesus our "Father"),21:22-23(Lord God Almighty and* the Lamb[properly translated is *Even not *and, meaning its in refernce 2The same person or thing] God lightens, the Lamb is the light, can uSeperate aLight from its Source?),22:1(again God even the Lamb)22:3-7(Proof of God & Lamb being same person, God and the Lamb..HIS servants shall serve HIM
...See HIS face...HIS name...aReQuote of 21:22-23, saying jus the Lord God giveth light),22:12-13,16-17,20-21(the last 2Verses in the bible, dont mention God at all, but yes they do, it All about our Lord Jesus Christ, He IS God) Am iWrong? Not 2Be prideful, not 2Be offencive, jus being humbly honest with the truth 2Back it up, uSir are wrong & Need 2Change your belief.. #GraceBeWithYou
- Revelation = everything becomes clear. The best explanation is to assume that your name is Peter. Peter wants to create another himself. This other is his special Son; he is an other yourself. You are now 2 distinct persons. Each one has his own will, his thoughts and feelings. How many persons are there? Three. How many Peter? Only one Peter. These three will always be the same Peter. They can talk and have fun together; Peter begins to create. Jesus = father, Son and Holy Spirit (Mt 28.19).
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
@BibleFrW Proverbs 8 is speaking about Wisdom not Jesus being an eternal being beside God. Read the entire chapter, you'll see that in its context.
The Bible never says "eternal son" on "the begotten son." Pastor Gene Cook even admits that the fundamental doctrine of the Trinity is not 3 "persons" but 3 distinct personalities just watch the rest of the videos. Also Pastor Gene Cook explains that Jesus IS God. So both of your statements actually contradict what Gene Cook states.
@falco2350 - if God created his wisdom, he would have been without wisdom before it. It's the wisdom of the Son created and born BEFORE the creation of the world (Pro 8.22, 24). The Son was WITH the Father (Pro 8.30, 31; Jn 1.1). The Son has a beginning, but not as himself who is the ONE God who has been doubled (a copy). Father, Son and Holy Spirit have each one their will (Luc 22.42; 1Cor 12.11), spirit (Luc 23.46;Jn 4.24;Mat 18.10; Rom 8.27; 1Cor 2.10) and soul (Mk 14.34;Heb 10.38;Mat 12.18).
@BibleFrW What are you talking about, Jesus IS God! Colossians 1:15-18 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.". The Apostle Paul says that Jesus made all things.
@BibleFrW A list of words or scriptures that are not in the Bible: Trinity, Triune God, God the son, 3 persons make up God, 3 Distinct personalities of Diety, 3 in the Godhead, Jesus is 33% of God, the Holy Ghost is a seperate person, the Apostles baptizing someone in the titles father, son, and holy Ghost, eternal son, Jesus is a different spirt of God.
@falco2350 -3 distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit; each one having his own will, but 3 times the same person. The Son is not the Father, but an OTHER HIMSELF of the ONE who is the Father (a double: Luke 6.12;John 14.9a: “I”, “Me”). The Son has a beginning (Pro8.22-30;Col 1.15). The ONE who is the Son in "Micah 5.2" is an OTHER HIMSELF of the ONE God who never had a beginning. Knowing who is Jesus we know WHO are the Father (Luk 10.22;John14.8-9) and the Holy Spirit (John 14.18; 15.26).
@BibleFrW So You're saying that Jesus is God, but he's not God because God created him, yet he always existed, but he's God, yet he's not God because he is submissive to God?? Don't you see how that doesnt make any sense. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Only One God. The Trinitarian doctrine was created after 325AD after the council of Nicea. Show the scripture that says "3 distinct persons." What book in the Bible is that? What verse says that?
@BibleFrW Lets end this discussion right now. Post the scripture that says "3 distinct persons" or "3 in the Godhead." You keep saying 3 distinct persons but have not put the scripture that says that. We dont need seperate terms to define our beliefs we simply pull the scripture that says it, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily."
Please post scripture that says "3 distinct persons" this will end this discussion entirely.
@falco2350 - (1) Imagine that you give birth to your son and that he is another yourself, he is a double (copy, duplicate) of your soul and your spirit. There are now 2 distinct persons having each one their own soul and their own spirit, will, feeling, thoughts, etc. But they are twice the same person; there are 2 different persons but it is the unique person twice. The double is the Son resulting from the Father at the beginning of the creation. ...>>>
@falco2350 - (2) This Son created all things. Later this Son came in flesh through Mary; he became a 100% man while God (the Father) look at (from heaven) his son living on earth.
- In other words, Jesus is an other himself of the ONE who is the only real God; so, Jesus is the One who is the One, the real and the Only True God. 1 John 5.20: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, ... He (Jésus) is the true God, and eternal life."
@BibleFrW We have similar views but with a sligthly different understanding. I agree with this response to an extent. I do believe that Jesus created all things thats apparant in the book of Colossians, I do believe that he made himself a body to fullfill the sciptures, which is explained in the gospel. The problem is that when you say "3 distinct persons" there is no scripture that states that. There is, has, and always will be one God and his name is Jesus, He and He Alone is alpha and omega.
-Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are "THREE DISTINCT PERSONS"; Is it written? "Gen 19.24" shows God being twice himself. "Pro 30.4" shows that the Son already existed. "Luke 10.22" shows that we receive by 'revelation'; it comes from the Father (Mat 16.17). A child easily understand when God reveals to him (Matt 11.25). Everything is not explained because there are hidden mysteries: "Rom 16.25", "Eph 3.9", "Col 1.26; 2.3". In the same time, the angels saw the Father (Mat 18.10) and the Son (Mat 4.6).
@BibleFrW The real Revelation is that when we get to Heaven we will see only One Throne (Revelation 20:11), and the person sitting on the Throne will be Jesus (Colossians 1:15). That is the real revelation. Not two people, or persons, or beings, or diety's. The Bible says in Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Just one
@BibleFrW If you believe that Jesus is God then there is no seperation at all.God made the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) and that God is Jesus (Revelation 1:8). Thomas recieved this revelation in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." If Jesus wasn't God he would have corrected him but he didn't. John 20:29 says, " Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
@falco2350 Except for the fact that Yahushua cannot possibly be speaking in Revelation 1:8 because God is eternal and Yahushua is not (Revelation 1:17-18). Also, Thomas is making a statement of belief that he now believes because of the works that Yahushua did in His Father's name. He recognized that God had raised Yahushua from the dead and that Yahushua is the spitting image of His Father (God).
@BibleFrW I do understand what you're trying to say it’s just that when you speak of Jesus you’re implying that he is different from God. God did create a body for himself, the Holy Ghost which is God, (John 4:24) overshadowed Mary and impregnated her (Luke 1:35) so God is the father of that Baby Jesus and then God filled that body with the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:38). Jesus came in God’s name (John 5:43) and God worked through that body to do His will, and His will alone (John 14:10).
@BibleFrW My last post. Was not trying to argue with you or upset you BibleFrW, I just have to spread Biblical truth.
I couldnt fit this in my last post but I wanted to say, So who made that body? God did. Who did the work? God did. Whose name did Jesus come in? God’s name. Who is Jesus? He is God. Jesus is alpha and omega the first and the last (Revelation 1:8), there cannot be two Alpha and Omega's, that contradicts scripture. I thank God for what he did for us on Calvary (Acts 20:28).
THIS IS WHAT THE LORD WANTS US TO DO...DEBATES LIKE THIS DIGGING TOGETHER FOR TRUTH. DILIGENTLY SEEKING THE TRUTH...EARNESTLY CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH ONCE GIVEN UNTO THE SAINTS.
@stedmans4christ One God and One Lord. Not one divine deity who is three-in-one or one-in-three or just plain one. TWO divine deities one was born of God (hence, a time when He was not) and everything was created through Him. One true God and one true Son of God whome the God has created everything through and has appointed to be King of kings and Lord of lords thus making Him God but NOT the true God. The true God is His Father. TWO Deities!
@Danielezerable Lol... yeaa iight. Any Scriptural Evidence 4That? Don't respond, cuz if uDo, uAre gonna start lying 2Me. Arianism is Soo Wrong, uMight as well be aJehovah's Witness. Smh, Jesus is God, not just an Inferior created being, only the flesh of Man-Jesus was created.. 1Timothy 3:16
@Danielezerable Im Oneness & that scripture clearly supports John 10:30- I & My Father are One(My is added by translators, meaning I & Father are the same which would literally mean The Father & Son Are ONE & The Same)... It gives the exact same attributes 2Both "Offices".. In & By in the greek mean the same verb. Therefore Jesus is the Father, the Son is only the Father (or God) Incarnate/Made Flesh. & uCant prove 1Timothy was altered by Trinitarians, it means the exact same thing in the..
THERE IS NO PRAYER OR SCRIPTURE THAT YOU CAN SAY.. OR REPEAT.. THAT WILL GET YOU SAVED! THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES IN JOHN 3:5! UNLESS UR BORN AGAIN OF THE WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT.. YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN! HELLO!! :0
WEN THE BIBLE SAYS,BELIEVE IN UR HEART& CONFESS WITH UR MOUTH.IT WAS REFERRING TO BACKSLIDDEN SAINTS.SO IT WAS JUST SAYIN,GET BACK INTO LIVIN RIGHT WITH THE LORD.PLUS IF IT WERE OTHERWISE,THE WORD BELIEVE MEANS SO MUCH.IF U BELIEVE IN THE WORD,THEN U HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDIN OF IT & WILL DO EVERYTHING IT SAYS TO DO.SO IN ACTS 2:38 WHEN IT SAYS TO B BAPTISED IN JESUS NAME &TO BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,OBEYING THAT.IS BELIEVIN IN UR HEART
SO IF THIS SO CALLED TRINITY DOCTRINE WAS REAL.. AND IF GOD IS THE LITERAL FATHER OF HIS LITERAL SON JESUS.. WHY IS IT THAT THE BIBLE SAYS.. THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT INPREGNATED MARRY.. WOULDNT THAT MAKE THE HOLY SPIRIT THE FATHER AS WELL.. OR IS IT BECAUSE ALL THREE TITLES ARE CARRIED ON BY ONE GOD! JESUS!! :D
SO THEN, WHY DOES THE BIBLE SAY.. I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME.. OHHHH.. SO NOW THERES 2 JESUS'S.. OK.. WELL THEN WHY DOES ACTS 2:38 SAY.. be baptised in the NAME of Jesus.. not NAMES with an "s". So its not plural.. Theres only ONE GOD, with ONE NAME.. & His Name Is JESUS!! PLUS ONLY A COWARD WOULD SEND ANOTHER BEING TO EARTH TO DIE... HE SENT HIMSELF.. THATS WHY THE BIBLE SAYS. GOD WAS MANEFESTED IN TO FLESH :)
QUICK EXAMPLE. I AM A FATHER TO MY CHILDREN, A SON TO MY DAD AND A FRIEND TO MY NEIGHBOR. BUT THAT DOESN'T SEPERATE ME INTO 3 DIFFERENT PERSONS! I'M ONLY ONE PERSON, WHO CARRIES DIFFERNENT TITLES.. but my NAME is anthony.. u get it :D
THE POWER AND AUTHORITY IS IN THE NAME. U MUST B BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS! NOT THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THOSE ARE ONLY TITLES! PUT IT LIKE THIS.. IF U WERE WRITTING OUT A CHECK, WOULD U SIGN FATHER ON IT.. OR SON.. OFCOURSE NOT.. U WOULD SIGN UR NAME!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRINITY.. HOW COULD U BE BAPTISED IN2 A TITLE.. HMMMMM! JESUS IS GOD!! :D
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER. THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE ME NOR BESIDE ME. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. THE BIBLE EVEN SAYS THAT ALL POWER WAS GIVEN TO THE SON. SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE FATHER AND HOLY SPIRIT HAVE ABSOULUTLEY NO POWER? HMMM.. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE JESUS IS THE VISIBLE MAN OF THE INVISIBLE GOD! TRINITY IS FALSE DOCTRINE! THE ONENESS OF GOD IS TRUTH!!
I bet after this debate their was so much descension and bitter pride coming from both sides. My brethren these things ought not so to be! Now, because of this silly little debate thousands are relentless at proving eachother wrong. If I'm wrong let me be wrong! If your wrong I'll let you be wrong. I would rather be at peace with my enemy. Than at war with myself, because that's what this comes down to. A person who relentlessly tries to prove others wrong does so at his or her own cost!
"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:17 The key word here is "revealed". The problem I have with all of this debate is that there is no debate. I can talk one God until I'm blue in the face. If God has not revealed it than the person on the other end will never understand what I'm talking about! Plus, it will only cause Christians to become arrogant.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, AND WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." -JOHN 14:23
There is a plurality of Persons detailed here. This verse describes the relational response of distinct Persons toward the repentant- i.e. The Trinity of God
Quran 112 In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
@baliveforchrist Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like you and I, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
Matthew 11:27...All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
John 14...Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it exaclty right.
some if the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
@mbcchoir Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
I Tim 3:16 is not saying "Jesus is God manifested in the flesh" but rather the life of godliness, the secret of godliness was manifested in the flesh of Jesus Christ. Is 9:6 is not calling Jesus the Father. There is no NT verse that can be used to say Is 9:6 is calling Jesus the Father. Even Jesus called God "My Father," and he taught us to pray to the Father and call God our Father, not Jesus. "My Father is greater than I."
@SpeakingTruthinLove Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
Rev Gene Cook is EXACTLY RIGHT. The difference between oneness and trinity is only in vocabulary. Oneness is pseudo-trinitarianism, trinity in a different form. Both are in direct contradiction of the scripture. Jesus is a MAN APPROVED OF GOD. No man is God and God is no man. Jesus called his father, THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That would make Jesus a FALSE GOD. Jesus is no false God. He is the Son of God, anointed of God, sent of God & testified the truth of God. ALL THOSE WHO TEACH JESUS IS GOD, LIE.
The difference between oneness and trinity is non-existent. Both believe Jesus is God, which is the biggest lie ever told in history. No man is God and God is no man. Hear what the Apostles preached and taught. Jesus of Nazareth A MAN APPROVED OF GOD, GOD ANOINTED JESUS OF NAZARETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND POWER. The teaching of oneness is simply trinitarianism with a different vocabulary. Jesus said his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
" When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, " (John 15:26, NASB)
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, he is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O children of Israel! Serve Allah, My Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.
74- Will they not then turn to Allah and ask his forgiveness? And Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
The Messiah, so of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away and his mother was a truthful women; they both used to eat food. Se how we make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
76- say: Do you serve besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit? And allah-he is the hearing, the Knowing.
And when Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Did you say to men, take me and my mother for two gods beside allah, he will say: glory be to thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, thou wouldst indeed have known it; thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in thy mind, surely thou art the great knower of the unseen things
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
what a bad analogy....how can you place a human analogy on God....Your a father, a son, and a husband....well duh...your born from another human so your a son....your not a father untill you give birth or procreate another human...so how did jesus in heaven be God if his a Son..can God give create himself?..where is the logic and sense here...Gone in the window?
@OnlyTheScriptures Right hand meant power or authority, if you don't believe then tell me what those meant? Psalm 109:6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
@OnlyTheScriptures God and of the Lamb (not sharing), Shall be IN IT. Why you think God need someone to help Him? Jesus said I'm Alpha and Omega that He is First and Last. There is nothing between Him.
@Jamerica360 Yes..God AND of the Lamb..Christ ever lives to make intercession..God is Spirit,Jesus is not,He is a immortal human being after his ascension.HE sits at the right hand.God does not need any help,It was Jesus who needed help while He was on earth.Scriptures says God ANOINTED Jesus {Acts 10:38} If HE was God He would need nothing.JOhn 5:19 I of my on self can do NOTHING....Matt 28:18 all power is GIVEN to me...again..He was given power,glory,dominion,authority..God needs nothing..
@OnlyTheScriptures Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(dwelleth)katoikeō:dwell (-er), inhabitant (fulness)plērōma: which is put in to fill up, piece that filled up, fulfilling, full, fulness. (Godhead)theotēs: divinity (abstractly): - godhead.
(bodily)sōmatikōs: physically: - bodily.
He was man and God remember.He was described as both man nature and godlike nature.A man has a sinful nature pointblank.that is why a holy God had to be in leading
@freright123 I agree with this scripture.but this does not mean Jesus is God and here is why.Paul speaking to saints
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that {{{{ye might be filled with all the fulness}}}}}}} of God. Can we be God too? of course not..
Just as Paul wanted the saints to be filled with all of what is available to us the same was present in Christ while He was on earth..HE represented ALL of what we needed from God!!! He was a perfect image of God
Seriously you guys this is all that you need to shut all of your mouths... "Be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Notice how ti says NAME (singular), what is this "name" you may ask, well that is very simple, it is clearly revealed as Jesus through scripture. Also notice how EVERY SINGLE baptism in the Bible was indeed done in the name of JESUS!!! Not ONCE is ANYONE EVER baptized in any other way. Period.
So basically all of you trinitarians are saying that, God, saw what was happening here on Earth, and said/thought, "Oh, look at all of this sin here on Earth, I need to fix this problem and save my children... HEY JESUS, I'm going to make you go down on Earth and fix my problem for me, by the way, it will include severe torture and pain and you will even die... okay? Okay let's do this." ... is THAT the sort of God that we serve??? I think not. God came down to Earth to take care of his problem.
@Peter01Fett Sir..God cannot die.No where in the OT did HE say He would become a man or even become His own Messiah..btw..I am not a Trinitarian or Oneness
@OnlyTheScriptures You are absolutely right, God can NOT die, he never did, he sacrificed the body and rose again. If you would like to do some research I would say that is awesome, but please SIR inform me on what exactly the word "die" means. Once you find the definition of "to die" you will understand how what you said is not only correct but WHY it is correct, as for the OT, it was in fact said that the Lord God himself would come down to Earth to save his own people.
@OnlyTheScriptures Did the prophet NOT say that =/ is this seriously your only valid argument that God isn't Jesus??? God spoke to the PROPHET what was going to happen, do not even deny that it happened.
Ok Trinitarians show me one place in the bible where someone is baptized the way u were baptized I'm baptized in Jesus name I'm from that same church Peter was from in my church miracles happen we speak in New tounges my church is full of ex Trinitarians ex jahovas witnesses ex Baptist ex everything because they found the truth
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Acts 2:42
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles 'doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Ms987564 1 week ago
"If anyone denies that the Father is eternal, that the Son is eternal, and that the Holy Spirit is eternal: he is a heretic.If anyone says that the Son made flesh was not in heaven with the Father while He was on earth: he is a heretic.If anyone denies that the Holy Spirit has all power and knows all things, and is everywhere, just as the Father and the Son: he is a heretic."
craventref 3 weeks ago
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God only needs truth, so only logical and facts should support truth. God will give you the answers rather than believe a lie.
Jewish prospective below and Christian from east. both are logical with facts. Oneness is half truth and implied authority over God word.
A Jewish Christian Explains the Holy Trinity... on you tube This is Dr. Michael Brown
The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity ...... on you tube Ravi Zacharias
Three Gods in One?! Donate to Jews for Jesus Rich Robins...
MrHellowwww1 3 weeks ago
@filoIII I'd advised you to do the same. In 1 Jn 5:7, notice John did not say Father Son and Hoy Ghost BUT he did say Father WORD and Holy Ghost. If this verse was trying to teach distinct persons then why didn't John write Son? Because he was referring to the thought plan and mind of God not some separate distinct person. This verse discussed the three roles of Father Word and Holy Ghost of the One God, Jesus Christ, "these three are one."
SiMichaelAko 2 months ago
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theres only one God. Nuff said
DiamondxxPerez 2 months ago
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DiamondxxPerez 2 months ago
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. KJV ACTS 2:38 FOR LIFE
stedmans4christ 2 months ago
My question would be is how would trinitarianism be valid in regarding the God of the Holy Bible? To believe in three persons and each to have its own distinct power as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, you would run into the conflict of one person ranking higher or lower in power, therefore having multiple gods. "...the Lord our God is one Lord." His word is sufficient! God Bless!
SiMichaelAko 3 months ago 2
To those comments that may regard oneness Pentecostals as a "cult" ought to look up and understand what a "cult" actually is. Regardless in whichever context you may use the word it will always set off a negative tone. Every denomination all began in the belief of One God. Nowhere in the Word of God does it mention "trinity" or "three" in relation to God BUT NUMEROUS TIMES do we find ONE describing God Himself.
SiMichaelAko 3 months ago
@SiMichaelAko 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.--Careful now.
filoIII 2 months ago
God is not limited to place. The Bible said Genesis 1:26 and Isaiah 6:8 uses us. The Shema, d6:4, has 3 names of God in the first verse with 3 parts while the Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which is name of God in Judaism meaning self existing. Since Jesus said he has Fahter, Jesus has a Father or he lied. Either way Oneness if false.
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
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Where can I to buy this video with subtitles in spanish?
moisesokok 3 months ago
After this I'm reluctantly apt to agree with the atheists: "FOIL-HAT ON!"
siderespector 3 months ago
& uStill Ignored Every Verse except Colossian 1:15... Smh, read them all. Please! & do it Studyful & prayerful, & do it with aReal Bible..(Any translation but NLT or NWT)
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed NIV - Psalm 82:6
I say, ‘You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.
Oops, God misspoke. Out of curiosity, do you know where Oneness Pentecostals go? Satan has used the UPCI to harvest and lead others away from the true God and the true Messiah by stating Messiah was man, yet God and God was omnipresent while on earth therefore having no body whatsoever therefore, just a body died for the sins of man. Oneness believers go to HELL!
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other gods are an abomination unto the LORD... So if the angels are gods & Jesus is a god & we are all gods... We are all abominations unto the LORD... Thats pretty much what uAre saying but uAre prolly ignoring those scripts as well.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
& if iOffend you, iAm honestly sorry, but uAre slightly offending me with erronious mis-carriage of the Scriptures iLove so much. NASB is the best, yo. Get 1, or check it out online.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Daniellezerable uGot caught up on one & went off on it With an ignorance of the original translation & an ignorance of the scriptures. Read Isaiah.. Angels are NEVER refered 2As gods & it says in psalms we are like gods..& proper translation there: Judges not literal gods. Gosh, uNeed 2Learn more & Get aBetter Bible, iReccomend aKJV or ESV or aNASB** but that NLT or New World Translation uObviously Have is Trash & Heresy. #Pray this time iMean it, dont be so Prideful, when udek what uAre doin..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Daniellezerable Rev 3:12 say "I will write the name of my God..." then it says "I will write upon them MY name"... uIgnore 2Much scripture, even in the same verses uTry 2Quote against me. & We are made in His IMAGE but not given his power, uAre Not reading the rest read past 1:15 & read 1:16-20, iTold you 2Read & Pray b4 commenting, uDidnt & now uMake yourself look prideful & dumb, NoOffence, humble opinion. & uDid not read or acknowledge the rest of those verses did you? & Dont lie, uDidnt,..
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If Jesus Has ALL Power in Heaven & Earth(Matthew 28:18) is the Father powerless? & is the HolyGhost Powerless? No cuz: John 1:1-14, 8:58, 10:30, 14. The Father & The Son Are One & The Same. Matthew 1:18-20, Luke 1:35, John 14:16-18,25-27, Acts 3:19-20. The HolyGhost is the Father & Jesus is the HolyGhost.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed This is bcause the Father gave Him that authority. I have actually been studying Newton a lot and indeed, that verse IS corrupted. Now, let's look at John 10:30. Verse 29, the Father is more powerful than ALL. The Father and are one - and heis can be translated to "in agreement". So bad argument.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
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@Danielezerable (Newton? KJV is as accurate as it gets without looking at original Scripts... What does 1Tim 3:16 say in the original scripts, if it is "corrupted"?) & No, the correct greek term there Means 1 in number as in Singular. & What about all the other scriptures iShowed 2You, did uEven bother 2Look them up?... Answer this: Is the HolyGhost the Father?
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
& Read John 10:25-at least 38... Jesus Is (at the very least) God. & if uUnderstand the scripture correctly, he is the "Father" incarate or Made (manifest) Flesh.. John 1:14... 1Tim 3:16
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed 1 Timothy 3:16 is corrupted. KJV is the only version you will find with that in it. Also, Christ is in you. Do you believe that means you are Jesus? So therefore, your argument is actually laughable. Also, John 1:1 - In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was A god.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Here is 1Tim 3:16 in The NASB- By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory. Its in NIV & NLT 2, so dont lie 2Me.. & Christ in You is the HolyGhost (Romans 8:9- Spirit of God dwell in you...any man have not the Spirit of Christ) Jesus Is the HolyGhost & the HolyGhost Is the Father. Also if uAre reading from an NLT or
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
... New World Translation, uNeed 2Cross reference it with the NASB or the ESV, cuz it is so filled with false translations & Flat out heresies. iCheck my KJV by them as well. John 1:1 The Word was, was with God & was God... No "a god" Cuz there is ONLY ONE GOD Deut. 6:4, Isaiah 43:10-11. John 1:14- Word was made flesh. JESUS is the Flesh, Which means God was in the Flesh, 1Tim 3:16.. Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' Note: gods. John 10:34 Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!' Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 2 Cor. 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. So "a god" is an appropriate translation.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Also, you brought up 1 Timothy 3:16 again..."HE WHO" that He was Jesus not God my friend. You and Trinitarians alike actually create a Jesus with TWO personalities. Also, I do believe God sent Moses to be a savior unto the Israelites (Acts 7:35) so according to your logic then, Moses is God. What God is literally saying in Isaiah 43 is that no one that He hasn't authorized is capable of saving. Also, John 13:19 is simply Jesus saying He is the Messiah, not God.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
..reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has [c]committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Also, you keep using the notion of "God being in Christ" to claim that Jesus is God. How do you do so yet when Paul claims Christ is in him, he never once (and you I hope never once) used that to mean that he was Jesus. =o
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable uContinue 2Dismiss all my points. God was in Man Christ Jesus. There is One Mediator between God & Men.. the man Christ Jesus.. In the Torah (Jewish/OT Law) We are not 2Praise, worship, honor, any1, anything, but Yahweh (or in most bibles the LORD thy GOD or sumthin close).. But the people constantly worship Jesus, Praise Jesus, honor him all in & throughout the Gospels. So whats that mean? & We know God didnt change his mind cuz in Revelation, John went 2Worship Jesus' Angel..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
& the angel said NO, stop, dont worship me, worship is Solely 4GOD.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
Acts 7:35 nor anywhere in the bible refers 2Moses as the Saviour, the language in Isaiah 43 is pretty clear I AM the only Saviour & the Only Redeemer & the Only God.. john 10:34 is 3Verses after the Jews were gonna stone him cuz He called himself God, by say I & Father are One & in thier language that is like 2Say I AM the Father.. John 13:9 has nuthin 2Do with this except Jesus rose Lazuras from the dead, who can raise people from the dead except God? John 14:9 iThink uMeant clearly states..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed And to further make clear, Jesus did not claim to be God in John 10:30 and in their language they should have figured out this was "one connected" because Jesus's own words destroy your false misinterpretation on this in John 17:22 and John 10:29. Basically, we go from Oneness Jesus who is ultra demon-possessed to Trinitarian Jesus who is just demon-possessed to Arian Jesus who knows exactly who He is. Also, if I am not mistaken, Kurios can be interpreted "Master" and/or "Supreme Aut
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed hority". Thus, they are distinct titles for God and His Christ much like "sir" does not necessarily apply to only one man. That is, when used with God, it literally gives Him the title "Supreme Authority, God Almighty" and with Jesus "Master God's Christ".
Danielezerable 4 months ago
"uSee Me, uSee the Father" which again is like 2Say I AM the Father. Maybe uShould better learn your own language & the native tounges of the Jews. JESUS name is Yah(Yahweh)Shua(Is Salvation) & He shall be called Emmanuel which literally means God With Us. Isaiah 7:14, Matt 1:23.. & Check Out Isaiah 9:6... what is Jesus 2Be Called? the Mighty God, the Everlasting *Father*.. Come on, uArent making your point, uAre helping me make mine. Dont become prideful in your religion, bro. Accept the truth
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed "Worship" in the context is "adoration" or "reverence" given for someone of higher honor than you. Because Jesus is God's Christ, the people were recognizing His authority. So...again, Christ is in Paul. Do you believe Paul is Christ? Also, check out Isaiah 9:7. GOD gives Jesus these names and check out the link I have on my channel.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Isaiah 9:7 jus continues 2Describe the infiniteness of Jesus' kingdom, that will order it, establish it with judgement & justice 4Ever.. Then it says Yahweh(the LORD of hosts) Will Do this. Isaiah 9:6-7 Proves Jesus IS Yahweh, iDont understand why uBrought that up or why uContinue 2Make my points 4Me. & In that definition of Worship, 1. Why was it not oK 2Worship the Angel, he is higher than John, at least in that point in time, 2. Why in John 20:28 Does Thomas worship & Call..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
Jesus "My Lord, My God" & Jesus does not rebuke him, but compliments him on his Faith & Belief?... Why In Acts 20:28 is "The Church that God hath purchased with his own blood", if we all know Jesus was Lamb bled & slain? Cuz Jesus is God, Jesus Is Yahweh & Deut. 6:4 there is Only 1Yahweh.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Yes, as in it is by His Father (God's) Spirit working through Jesus that Jesus was able to reconcile humanity back to His Father (God). All Isaiah 9:7 means is that Yahweh will enable His Son Yeshua (there were a lot with this name in the OT actually) the power. Also, Thomas is making a statement that he has renewed his faith in God because of the risen Christ. Also, God was with us by placing His Spirit on Jesus. This is how Jesus is God with us without being God-in-flesh.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Sadly that makes no sence & if it did, uDont have any Scripture 2Back up those Assumptions.. Thomas Flat-Out Called Jesus God & God is Flat-Out said 2Have Blood in Acts 20:28, but Jesus' blood is what was used... What does that mean? uAssume rather than take the Bible 4What it it, the Bible is very Literal in what it says & Means.. Only interpretation needed is 4The Parables & Proverbs & they are *Usually clear..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Yeah it does. The original words were also "The Lord of me and the God of me!" Thomas is making an exclamation of faith. Here's another interpretation: Thomas was one of the disciples in John 14:5-9 which has been misinterpreted by people now and correctly deemed heresy by the early church and that Thomas is seeing God-in-Christ, not God-is-Christ.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable 1st of all, that simply isnt true & iDont believe uTruly know much of the Hebrew or Greek.. Even IF (Which its not) all that heresy uJus told me was true.. How about All the Instance where Jesus is said to "Sit/Stand on the right hand of God" which originally interpreted in the Greek & Hebrew is aPhrase meaning "Sits/Stands at Full Power & Authority of God" This is after he is "Taken Up in Glory", tell me this doesnt mean he's God, cuz who else could hold the FULL power of God?..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed 1. Yes they are. And if you note: John 20:17 - Jesus HAS a God thus, Thomas could also be looking up to the sky when he says: "my God!" Also, Revelation 1:1 - GIVEN to Christ. Rev. 1:8 - Jesus is quoting angel who is quoting Jehovah. The word "Lord" in the NT when referenced as distinction between Christ and "Lord" can also be interpreted Jehovah (in my humble defense). Nembers 23:19 - God is NOT A MAN! JESUS IS A MAN! I also have objections to the words written in red in Rev. 22 bec
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed ause Jesus is not addressed as the speaker UNTIL we finally get to Rev. 22:16. 2. The word "godhead" is a GERMAN word! GERMAN! And it was ADDED by the Catholic Antichrist just like 1 Timothy 3:16! So no valid argument whatsoever because the Greek properly renders Divinity which is an inherited trait that Jesus receives such as blue eyes are an inherited trait. 3. "First and Last! He's Jehovah!" This is called an eisegesis. Colossians 1:15, FIRSTBORN! Rev. 3:14 FIRST OVER! Other scrip
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed tures too I can point to but we see that Jesus is First and Last in a different way than Jehovah is. You really should check out the link I have on my channel before trying to refute any of my arguments either. 4. To smear butter on you, Psalm 110:1 and Isaiah 52:3 BOTH clearly show Oneness Pentecostalism to be false. For more butter on your face - 1 John 4:12. NO MAN has seen God! So Oneness thus is false.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable John 4:12.. Finish that, no man hath seen god, except the Son.. Explain that.. & in that context it means that no1 at anytime had ever seen God lest they saw the Son aka The Angel Of The LORD proved 2Be God Himself in the OT manifested as an Angel.. uAre once again assuming & twisting scripture...It does not differintiate Jesus & Yahweh being 1st & Last... & uDidnt talk about The (1) Throne of God even the Lamb & HIS servants Shall serve HIM, see HIM & have HIS name..(& That...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Luke 9:35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”
Question 1: Is Jesus a ventriliquest?
Question 2: Is Jesus His own Son?
Let's face it dude, you now understand why the Angel of Jehovah is called God. It's because God put His name in the angel.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Exodus is Definitely in reference 2The Man-Jesus, the Flesh which could live & die, thirst & hunger, get scared & grow weary & Even get mad & cry.. & Answer 1: No, but He Is OMNIPRESENT, He is Absoloutely Every & AnyWhere Psalms 139:7-8.. Deut 32:39 God gives himself the attributes we know are of Jesus & in saying so he says there is no gods beside me, meaning Jesus cant be aLower diety or aDiety at all, this verse is clear Jesus(Yahshua) Is LORD(Yahweh) Deut. 4:35 supports it...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
..So would uSay The All Powerful, Omnipresent God cant send aVoice from Heaven? It never said that Voice was God or distinguished it & That voice & "the Spirit descending like a dove"(In the greek means he saw aSmile on Jesus' Face) were signs strickly 2Him(John the Baptist) God can manifest in as many things as he want when he want however he wants, He's God. Answer 2. Yes.. The Spirit which is Yahweh(Which reveals his NT Name as Yahshua or Jesus) is the Father 2The Man Christ Jesus. We know...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
that Jesus is aSpirit & aMan by what iSaid b4 & There is only 1Mediator between God & Men, The Man Christ Jesus.. & We know Jesus is the Spirit, 2Corinth Ch.3:14-17.Romans 8:9-the Spirit *OF CHRIST*.. & We Know God is Spirit John 4:23-4... & We know the Spirit is the Father(the Father is the Spirit) Matthew 1:18-21, Luke 1:35... Therefore all 3Offices are one person, one spirit, one being, one Name... Phillipians 2:9-11- Jesus is that person, spirit, being & Name & He Is God. +uStill ignore...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
many scriptures iHave thrown at you.. Acts 20:28, no response? All the revelation stuff, uIgnore the Singularality of the throne of God even the Lamb & only picked 2or 3Verses 2Combat.. uAre Twisting & Ignoring Bible, dont pick & choose, take in the whole thing.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed All right, coming back with explanation - The "throne of God, even the Lamb" does not mean that there is one throne that the "lamb" sits on and that they are one person or two persons. It just means God is Supreme Authority/Jehovah Almighty and His Lamb has His own throne because He sits on the right hand of Almighty Jehovah. Acts 20:28 - Do you believe that you and your parents are of same blood? If so, there you go. Jesus is His Father (God's) blood!
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable The Throne of God even the Lamb is One Being. Right Hand in Greek & Hebrew is aPhrase Meaning All Power & Authority, so Jesus on Right Hand of God= Jesus Having ALL Gods Power & Authority. Colossians 2:9 also says all of God is in Jesus, not Jesus on Gods Hand +Theres Only One on the throne, Revelation 4:2, & the Lamb is Called God & was slain from the foundation of the world(the begining), Rev 13:6-8, & "God even the Lamb" is adressed with Singular pronouns: His, Him, Rev 22:3-7
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Also Jesus cant be in the Right hand of God, the Book is in the right hand of God. Plus with Acts 20:28 uAre interpretating it wrong, yo. It means literally. God is Spirit he doesnt have Blood, the Only time he ever had Blood was when he was Manifest in the Man-Jesus. 1Tim 3:16, John 1:1 & 1:14. Jesus Is God & The Only True God. 1John 1:2, the Word is eternal life. 5:6-8 Jesus Came by water, blood & the Spirit, 3Bear witness Father, Word, HolyGhost & they are ALL ONE, 3Bear...
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Danielezerable witness in earth Water, Blood & Spirit & they all agree in One(they are the Same), 5:11, eternal life is in the Son, 5:20, "We are in him that is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God, and eternal life." Jesus & Only Jesus is the eternal life, so that does indeed prove Jesus Is God & the Only True God... Cuz Isaiah preaches heavily Only 1God & Saviour & Redeemer & LORD & He Is One & None b4, besides(during) nor after Him, +James 2:19, uBelieve God Is One & uDo Well
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Danielezerable ..We know there cant be 2Gods or more, there can only be 1 & with all that iHave Gave you, uShould know Jesus is God, meaning Jesus is The ONLY God. Also 2John 1:9, who abides in Christ has the Father & the Son.. Cuz John 10:30 & James 2:19, they are One & the Same & ONLY ONE.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed I have work to do but in John 10:30 it is clearly showing one in purpose. In John 5:20, it is further annunciating that the FATHER is the one true God. Do you realize why I am no longer a "Jesus-is-God" advocate? It is because "Jesus-is-God" advocates only listen to Jesus a PORTION of the time. I can't call myself a follower of Christ if I am still under that delusion. Acts 7:35 proves that what Jehovah is really meaning is that no one AUTHORIZED by Him is qualified to be savior.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed "God, even the Lamb"? Where do you get the nonsense it is calling the Lamb God? Really? Christ means "God-ordained". God ordained self? Daniel, even you. And yes - one God but there are other gods modeled after the one God. John 1:1 - The Word was A god.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable *I*John 5:20, iBelieve that says Jesus is the One True God, cuz the only way 2Eternal Life is Jesus, it says that all thru 1John... & uAre reading Heretic Translation John 1:1 ..the Word Was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. not "a god" Isaiah 43:10 say I Am he: before me there was NO God formed, niether shall there be After me. Jesus was not another god, the Word says there hasnt & will never be another god. uSir are aConstant Ignore-er of Scripture. #ReadIt
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
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@Danielezerable #ReadThis & my previous comment b4 uComment again: Theres Only One on the throne, Revelation 4:2, & the Lamb is Called God & was slain from the foundation of the world(the begining), Rev 13:6-8, & "God even the Lamb" is adressed with Singular pronouns: His, Him, Rev 22:3-7
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Danielezerable & iKnow uDidnt Pray nor let the Spirit guide uIn putting those comments, this time #ReadIt #PRAY & then respond.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Colossians 1:15-20: This calls Jesus the Image of the Father,First b4 all creation,thats cuz he is called Creator, the head of the church, hes preeminent, & All the fullness dwells in Him. & He Reconciled the World from Sins & Darkness 2HIMSELF. Colossians 2:9-10 All the fullness of (the) God(Head) dwells in HIM, He is the head of all principality & power & we are complete in Him. Thats all talkin about Strickly Jesus.. Sorry jus had 2Add that. #ReadIt Then #Pray Then #Comment
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Okay, Genesis says we are made in the image of God. This means that if Colossians should be interpreted that way, then...WE'D BE GOD! *gasp* There are actually other gods modeled after the One God. Gill: Angels are sometimes called gods, Psalm 8:4 because they are sent of God...kings and civil magistrates are called gods, Psalm 82:6. So again, "a god" does not conflict with Biblical monotheism whatsoever. Further, Jesus's authority comes from God - John 10:29.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Colossians 2:9 should be more properly rendered - "The fullness of DIVINITY!" Christ is Divine because, like blue eyes, Christ too inherits His Divinity and ALL of His Divine attributes as a GIFT from His Father. So "a god" does NOT conflict with Biblical monotheism because it is just referencing one of the many gods modeled after the one God. Did you read Acts 7:35 or Exodus 7:1. This the reason NWT translates "a god" because if this the case then Moses should be worshipped as God!
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed Here is a video that may help you out on John 1:1
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You should invite TheMessianicGentile to be friends with you while you are at it. In service unto God and His Christ!
P.S. I have prayed about this as well and have decided to trust Jesus. Rev. 3:12 His God IS my God!
Danielezerable 4 months ago
name? Acts 4:12, Phillipians 2:9-11. Jesus is that Name. Dont twist some scripture, call others Heresy when iProved there not & Flat-Out ignore others... uEven admitted uAre using your opinion & your understanding... USE GOD's understanding. Amos 3:7, Luke 8:10, Luke 24:45/46, allow Jesus thru the Holy Ghost 2Open your mind & your understanding 2The Scriptures.. Take it as it is, not as uWant2.. Maybe uShould watch ProphecyChannel or FalseTrintyDoctrine.. Bro, Im Praying 4You.. #GraceBeWithYou
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
Colossians 2:9- the fulness of the God-Head (Which means Absoloutely ALL of God) Is IN Christ.. This is After he Died & Rose.. What About the Scripture saying Jesus Rose Himself from the Dead? How Come in Revelation 22:16 Jesus sends Angels? How come in Rev 1:8,11,17-18,3:12(says my Gods name then My Name),4:2,5:1(the right hand & Jesus isnt in, but the book),11:15-17(Reference God & His Christ, then refers 2Them as 1Person),13:6-8(Lamb slain from foundation of the world, calls the Lamb God)..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
21:5-7(Repeats what Jesus said & since we know there cannot be 2First & Lasts, etc.., it is Jesus & then he says the men shall be his son, which makes Jesus our "Father"),21:22-23(Lord God Almighty and* the Lamb[properly translated is *Even not *and, meaning its in refernce 2The same person or thing] God lightens, the Lamb is the light, can uSeperate aLight from its Source?),22:1(again God even the Lamb)22:3-7(Proof of God & Lamb being same person, God and the Lamb..HIS servants shall serve HIM
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
...See HIS face...HIS name...aReQuote of 21:22-23, saying jus the Lord God giveth light),22:12-13,16-17,20-21(the last 2Verses in the bible, dont mention God at all, but yes they do, it All about our Lord Jesus Christ, He IS God) Am iWrong? Not 2Be prideful, not 2Be offencive, jus being humbly honest with the truth 2Back it up, uSir are wrong & Need 2Change your belief.. #GraceBeWithYou
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
& uDismiss all the point iMake & continue 2Make yours, while iAdress yours & use them 2Help make mine... Dont be aLiar, be open 2The Truth, friend.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
- Revelation = everything becomes clear. The best explanation is to assume that your name is Peter. Peter wants to create another himself. This other is his special Son; he is an other yourself. You are now 2 distinct persons. Each one has his own will, his thoughts and feelings. How many persons are there? Three. How many Peter? Only one Peter. These three will always be the same Peter. They can talk and have fun together; Peter begins to create. Jesus = father, Son and Holy Spirit (Mt 28.19).
BibleFrW 4 months ago
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falco2350 4 months ago
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@BibleFrW Proverbs 8 is speaking about Wisdom not Jesus being an eternal being beside God. Read the entire chapter, you'll see that in its context.
The Bible never says "eternal son" on "the begotten son." Pastor Gene Cook even admits that the fundamental doctrine of the Trinity is not 3 "persons" but 3 distinct personalities just watch the rest of the videos. Also Pastor Gene Cook explains that Jesus IS God. So both of your statements actually contradict what Gene Cook states.
falco2350 4 months ago
@falco2350 - if God created his wisdom, he would have been without wisdom before it. It's the wisdom of the Son created and born BEFORE the creation of the world (Pro 8.22, 24). The Son was WITH the Father (Pro 8.30, 31; Jn 1.1). The Son has a beginning, but not as himself who is the ONE God who has been doubled (a copy). Father, Son and Holy Spirit have each one their will (Luc 22.42; 1Cor 12.11), spirit (Luc 23.46;Jn 4.24;Mat 18.10; Rom 8.27; 1Cor 2.10) and soul (Mk 14.34;Heb 10.38;Mat 12.18).
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@BibleFrW What are you talking about, Jesus IS God! Colossians 1:15-18 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.". The Apostle Paul says that Jesus made all things.
falco2350 4 months ago
@BibleFrW A list of words or scriptures that are not in the Bible: Trinity, Triune God, God the son, 3 persons make up God, 3 Distinct personalities of Diety, 3 in the Godhead, Jesus is 33% of God, the Holy Ghost is a seperate person, the Apostles baptizing someone in the titles father, son, and holy Ghost, eternal son, Jesus is a different spirt of God.
These words or scriptures are Not in the Bible.
falco2350 4 months ago
@falco2350 -3 distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit; each one having his own will, but 3 times the same person. The Son is not the Father, but an OTHER HIMSELF of the ONE who is the Father (a double: Luke 6.12;John 14.9a: “I”, “Me”). The Son has a beginning (Pro8.22-30;Col 1.15). The ONE who is the Son in "Micah 5.2" is an OTHER HIMSELF of the ONE God who never had a beginning. Knowing who is Jesus we know WHO are the Father (Luk 10.22;John14.8-9) and the Holy Spirit (John 14.18; 15.26).
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@BibleFrW So You're saying that Jesus is God, but he's not God because God created him, yet he always existed, but he's God, yet he's not God because he is submissive to God?? Don't you see how that doesnt make any sense. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Only One God. The Trinitarian doctrine was created after 325AD after the council of Nicea. Show the scripture that says "3 distinct persons." What book in the Bible is that? What verse says that?
falco2350 4 months ago
@BibleFrW Lets end this discussion right now. Post the scripture that says "3 distinct persons" or "3 in the Godhead." You keep saying 3 distinct persons but have not put the scripture that says that. We dont need seperate terms to define our beliefs we simply pull the scripture that says it, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily."
Please post scripture that says "3 distinct persons" this will end this discussion entirely.
falco2350 4 months ago
@falco2350 - (1) Imagine that you give birth to your son and that he is another yourself, he is a double (copy, duplicate) of your soul and your spirit. There are now 2 distinct persons having each one their own soul and their own spirit, will, feeling, thoughts, etc. But they are twice the same person; there are 2 different persons but it is the unique person twice. The double is the Son resulting from the Father at the beginning of the creation. ...>>>
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@falco2350 - (2) This Son created all things. Later this Son came in flesh through Mary; he became a 100% man while God (the Father) look at (from heaven) his son living on earth.
- In other words, Jesus is an other himself of the ONE who is the only real God; so, Jesus is the One who is the One, the real and the Only True God. 1 John 5.20: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, ... He (Jésus) is the true God, and eternal life."
- It's a revelation.
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@BibleFrW We have similar views but with a sligthly different understanding. I agree with this response to an extent. I do believe that Jesus created all things thats apparant in the book of Colossians, I do believe that he made himself a body to fullfill the sciptures, which is explained in the gospel. The problem is that when you say "3 distinct persons" there is no scripture that states that. There is, has, and always will be one God and his name is Jesus, He and He Alone is alpha and omega.
falco2350 4 months ago
-Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are "THREE DISTINCT PERSONS"; Is it written? "Gen 19.24" shows God being twice himself. "Pro 30.4" shows that the Son already existed. "Luke 10.22" shows that we receive by 'revelation'; it comes from the Father (Mat 16.17). A child easily understand when God reveals to him (Matt 11.25). Everything is not explained because there are hidden mysteries: "Rom 16.25", "Eph 3.9", "Col 1.26; 2.3". In the same time, the angels saw the Father (Mat 18.10) and the Son (Mat 4.6).
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@BibleFrW The real Revelation is that when we get to Heaven we will see only One Throne (Revelation 20:11), and the person sitting on the Throne will be Jesus (Colossians 1:15). That is the real revelation. Not two people, or persons, or beings, or diety's. The Bible says in Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Just one
falco2350 4 months ago
@BibleFrW If you believe that Jesus is God then there is no seperation at all.God made the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) and that God is Jesus (Revelation 1:8). Thomas recieved this revelation in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." If Jesus wasn't God he would have corrected him but he didn't. John 20:29 says, " Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
falco2350 4 months ago
@falco2350 Except for the fact that Yahushua cannot possibly be speaking in Revelation 1:8 because God is eternal and Yahushua is not (Revelation 1:17-18). Also, Thomas is making a statement of belief that he now believes because of the works that Yahushua did in His Father's name. He recognized that God had raised Yahushua from the dead and that Yahushua is the spitting image of His Father (God).
Danielezerable 3 months ago
@stedmans4christ Here is a useful video you REALLY need to watch:
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Danielezerable 3 months ago
@BibleFrW I do understand what you're trying to say it’s just that when you speak of Jesus you’re implying that he is different from God. God did create a body for himself, the Holy Ghost which is God, (John 4:24) overshadowed Mary and impregnated her (Luke 1:35) so God is the father of that Baby Jesus and then God filled that body with the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:38). Jesus came in God’s name (John 5:43) and God worked through that body to do His will, and His will alone (John 14:10).
falco2350 4 months ago
@BibleFrW My last post. Was not trying to argue with you or upset you BibleFrW, I just have to spread Biblical truth.
I couldnt fit this in my last post but I wanted to say, So who made that body? God did. Who did the work? God did. Whose name did Jesus come in? God’s name. Who is Jesus? He is God. Jesus is alpha and omega the first and the last (Revelation 1:8), there cannot be two Alpha and Omega's, that contradicts scripture. I thank God for what he did for us on Calvary (Acts 20:28).
falco2350 4 months ago
THIS IS WHAT THE LORD WANTS US TO DO...DEBATES LIKE THIS DIGGING TOGETHER FOR TRUTH. DILIGENTLY SEEKING THE TRUTH...EARNESTLY CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH ONCE GIVEN UNTO THE SAINTS.
stedmans4christ 5 months ago
@Sabelianism Trinity - Gnostic. Oneness - Gnostic. Arianism -True. Oneness and Trinity will lead you in the same direction - HELL!
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Danielezerable WHAT????
stedmans4christ 5 months ago
@stedmans4christ One God and One Lord. Not one divine deity who is three-in-one or one-in-three or just plain one. TWO divine deities one was born of God (hence, a time when He was not) and everything was created through Him. One true God and one true Son of God whome the God has created everything through and has appointed to be King of kings and Lord of lords thus making Him God but NOT the true God. The true God is His Father. TWO Deities!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Danielezerable Lol... yeaa iight. Any Scriptural Evidence 4That? Don't respond, cuz if uDo, uAre gonna start lying 2Me. Arianism is Soo Wrong, uMight as well be aJehovah's Witness. Smh, Jesus is God, not just an Inferior created being, only the flesh of Man-Jesus was created.. 1Timothy 3:16
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed 1 Timothy 3:16 was corrupted by Trinitarians. Are you a Oneness or a Trinitarian?
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed 1 Corinthians 8:6. I got work to do.
Danielezerable 4 months ago
@Danielezerable Im Oneness & that scripture clearly supports John 10:30- I & My Father are One(My is added by translators, meaning I & Father are the same which would literally mean The Father & Son Are ONE & The Same)... It gives the exact same attributes 2Both "Offices".. In & By in the greek mean the same verb. Therefore Jesus is the Father, the Son is only the Father (or God) Incarnate/Made Flesh. & uCant prove 1Timothy was altered by Trinitarians, it means the exact same thing in the..
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
..Original Greek scripts. iHave more scripts 2Back me up... Bro, if iOffended myfault.. But iWanna tell uThe Truth
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
Poor Gene Cook, I hope he finds the truth
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
BIBLICALLY.. THE ONLY TRUTHFUL tRINITY THAT I KNOW OF.. IS A dEMONIC tRINITY.. "THE bEAST, fALSE pROPHET AND THE dEVIL hIMSELF!" ONENESS RULES!!
12VALANT 6 months ago
THERE IS NO PRAYER OR SCRIPTURE THAT YOU CAN SAY.. OR REPEAT.. THAT WILL GET YOU SAVED! THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES IN JOHN 3:5! UNLESS UR BORN AGAIN OF THE WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT.. YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN! HELLO!! :0
12VALANT 6 months ago
U repent b4 ur baptised.. Thatz confessing with ur mouth!
12VALANT 6 months ago
WEN THE BIBLE SAYS,BELIEVE IN UR HEART& CONFESS WITH UR MOUTH.IT WAS REFERRING TO BACKSLIDDEN SAINTS.SO IT WAS JUST SAYIN,GET BACK INTO LIVIN RIGHT WITH THE LORD.PLUS IF IT WERE OTHERWISE,THE WORD BELIEVE MEANS SO MUCH.IF U BELIEVE IN THE WORD,THEN U HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDIN OF IT & WILL DO EVERYTHING IT SAYS TO DO.SO IN ACTS 2:38 WHEN IT SAYS TO B BAPTISED IN JESUS NAME &TO BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,OBEYING THAT.IS BELIEVIN IN UR HEART
12VALANT 6 months ago
SO IF THIS SO CALLED TRINITY DOCTRINE WAS REAL.. AND IF GOD IS THE LITERAL FATHER OF HIS LITERAL SON JESUS.. WHY IS IT THAT THE BIBLE SAYS.. THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT INPREGNATED MARRY.. WOULDNT THAT MAKE THE HOLY SPIRIT THE FATHER AS WELL.. OR IS IT BECAUSE ALL THREE TITLES ARE CARRIED ON BY ONE GOD! JESUS!! :D
12VALANT 6 months ago
SO THEN, WHY DOES THE BIBLE SAY.. I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME.. OHHHH.. SO NOW THERES 2 JESUS'S.. OK.. WELL THEN WHY DOES ACTS 2:38 SAY.. be baptised in the NAME of Jesus.. not NAMES with an "s". So its not plural.. Theres only ONE GOD, with ONE NAME.. & His Name Is JESUS!! PLUS ONLY A COWARD WOULD SEND ANOTHER BEING TO EARTH TO DIE... HE SENT HIMSELF.. THATS WHY THE BIBLE SAYS. GOD WAS MANEFESTED IN TO FLESH :)
12VALANT 6 months ago
QUICK EXAMPLE. I AM A FATHER TO MY CHILDREN, A SON TO MY DAD AND A FRIEND TO MY NEIGHBOR. BUT THAT DOESN'T SEPERATE ME INTO 3 DIFFERENT PERSONS! I'M ONLY ONE PERSON, WHO CARRIES DIFFERNENT TITLES.. but my NAME is anthony.. u get it :D
12VALANT 6 months ago
THE POWER AND AUTHORITY IS IN THE NAME. U MUST B BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS! NOT THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THOSE ARE ONLY TITLES! PUT IT LIKE THIS.. IF U WERE WRITTING OUT A CHECK, WOULD U SIGN FATHER ON IT.. OR SON.. OFCOURSE NOT.. U WOULD SIGN UR NAME!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRINITY.. HOW COULD U BE BAPTISED IN2 A TITLE.. HMMMMM! JESUS IS GOD!! :D
12VALANT 6 months ago
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER. THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE ME NOR BESIDE ME. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. THE BIBLE EVEN SAYS THAT ALL POWER WAS GIVEN TO THE SON. SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE FATHER AND HOLY SPIRIT HAVE ABSOULUTLEY NO POWER? HMMM.. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE JESUS IS THE VISIBLE MAN OF THE INVISIBLE GOD! TRINITY IS FALSE DOCTRINE! THE ONENESS OF GOD IS TRUTH!!
12VALANT 6 months ago
JESUS.. IS.. GOD! IT DON'T TAKE 3 gODS TO FIGHT 1 dEVIL!! ONENESS!!
12VALANT 6 months ago
I bet after this debate their was so much descension and bitter pride coming from both sides. My brethren these things ought not so to be! Now, because of this silly little debate thousands are relentless at proving eachother wrong. If I'm wrong let me be wrong! If your wrong I'll let you be wrong. I would rather be at peace with my enemy. Than at war with myself, because that's what this comes down to. A person who relentlessly tries to prove others wrong does so at his or her own cost!
soulsurcher 7 months ago
"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:17 The key word here is "revealed". The problem I have with all of this debate is that there is no debate. I can talk one God until I'm blue in the face. If God has not revealed it than the person on the other end will never understand what I'm talking about! Plus, it will only cause Christians to become arrogant.
soulsurcher 7 months ago
"Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, AND WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." -JOHN 14:23
There is a plurality of Persons detailed here. This verse describes the relational response of distinct Persons toward the repentant- i.e. The Trinity of God
citizenfine1 7 months ago
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Quran 112 In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
4islam3 8 months ago
@baliveforchrist Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like you and I, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
1Shawndra 8 months ago
Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
1Shawndra 8 months ago
Matthew 11:27...All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
John 14...Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Wackydoodle2 8 months ago
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bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it exaclty right.
some if the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
dieselcowboy777 9 months ago
TRINITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
1. John 10:28 Jesus HOLDING you
2. John 10:29 Father HOLDING you
3. Ephesians 4:30 you are SEALED by the Holy Spirit
3NITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
mbcchoir 9 months ago
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@mbcchoir Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
1Shawndra 8 months ago
I Tim 3:16 is not saying "Jesus is God manifested in the flesh" but rather the life of godliness, the secret of godliness was manifested in the flesh of Jesus Christ. Is 9:6 is not calling Jesus the Father. There is no NT verse that can be used to say Is 9:6 is calling Jesus the Father. Even Jesus called God "My Father," and he taught us to pray to the Father and call God our Father, not Jesus. "My Father is greater than I."
SpeakingTruthinLove 9 months ago
@SpeakingTruthinLove Please add me on facebook (Shawndra Higgins) :) I'd like to invite you to a couple groups I think you'd make an excellent addition to :) 'WHO IS JESUS' & 'BIBLICAL DISCUSSION & DEBATE'... There's nontrinitarians like me, and there's the trinitarians as well :) Great people...Great groups :)
1Shawndra 8 months ago
Rev Gene Cook is EXACTLY RIGHT. The difference between oneness and trinity is only in vocabulary. Oneness is pseudo-trinitarianism, trinity in a different form. Both are in direct contradiction of the scripture. Jesus is a MAN APPROVED OF GOD. No man is God and God is no man. Jesus called his father, THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That would make Jesus a FALSE GOD. Jesus is no false God. He is the Son of God, anointed of God, sent of God & testified the truth of God. ALL THOSE WHO TEACH JESUS IS GOD, LIE.
SpeakingTruthinLove 10 months ago
@SpeakingTruthinLove 1 Timothy 3:16,Isaiah 9:6
TheKingIscomingback 10 months ago
The difference between oneness and trinity is non-existent. Both believe Jesus is God, which is the biggest lie ever told in history. No man is God and God is no man. Hear what the Apostles preached and taught. Jesus of Nazareth A MAN APPROVED OF GOD, GOD ANOINTED JESUS OF NAZARETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND POWER. The teaching of oneness is simply trinitarianism with a different vocabulary. Jesus said his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
SpeakingTruthinLove 10 months ago
This African boy wolud love to take on some of these debates against these false teachers, Trinitarian. contact me jbannie@yahoo.com
FlomoKoiwu 10 months ago
" When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, " (John 15:26, NASB)
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
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Did Jesus come for peace?
Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Quran:
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-72)
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, he is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O children of Israel! Serve Allah, My Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.
quranresponse 11 months ago
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-73)
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.
74- Will they not then turn to Allah and ask his forgiveness? And Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
quranresponse 11 months ago
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-75)
The Messiah, so of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away and his mother was a truthful women; they both used to eat food. Se how we make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
76- say: Do you serve besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit? And allah-he is the hearing, the Knowing.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Quran:
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-116)
And when Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Did you say to men, take me and my mother for two gods beside allah, he will say: glory be to thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, thou wouldst indeed have known it; thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in thy mind, surely thou art the great knower of the unseen things
quranresponse 11 months ago
Quran:
{Surah-112- the unity (ikhlas)-vs-1}
Say: he, Allah, is one.
2-Allah is on whom all depend.
3-he begets not, nor is he begotten.
4-and none is like him.
quranresponse 11 months ago
I'm glad I know who Jesus is!! The oneness of the Godhead is a beautiful thing
PhillipJBurton88 11 months ago
Didn't God give all athority to Jesus?
RBHILL300 1 year ago
That's wassup!!!!
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Andeee303 1 year ago
@Andeee303 Just to let you know for them to know you click to the right and it will let you reply to someones post.
RBHILL300 1 year ago
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
OneGodActs238 1 year ago
what a bad analogy....how can you place a human analogy on God....Your a father, a son, and a husband....well duh...your born from another human so your a son....your not a father untill you give birth or procreate another human...so how did jesus in heaven be God if his a Son..can God give create himself?..where is the logic and sense here...Gone in the window?
Boygadget 1 year ago
@OnlyTheScriptures Right hand meant power or authority, if you don't believe then tell me what those meant? Psalm 109:6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
Jamerica360 1 year ago
@Jamerica360 ..Of course it means that,But Jesus is at the right hand of the Father now..reigning and ruling in the Kingdom He was promised.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
One on the throne but Jesus at his side..
Scriptures says Jesus ever lives to make intercession for us..
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
@OnlyTheScriptures God and of the Lamb (not sharing), Shall be IN IT. Why you think God need someone to help Him? Jesus said I'm Alpha and Omega that He is First and Last. There is nothing between Him.
Jamerica360 1 year ago
@Jamerica360 Yes..God AND of the Lamb..Christ ever lives to make intercession..God is Spirit,Jesus is not,He is a immortal human being after his ascension.HE sits at the right hand.God does not need any help,It was Jesus who needed help while He was on earth.Scriptures says God ANOINTED Jesus {Acts 10:38} If HE was God He would need nothing.JOhn 5:19 I of my on self can do NOTHING....Matt 28:18 all power is GIVEN to me...again..He was given power,glory,dominion,authority..God needs nothing..
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
@OnlyTheScriptures Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(dwelleth)katoikeō:dwell (-er), inhabitant (fulness)plērōma: which is put in to fill up, piece that filled up, fulfilling, full, fulness. (Godhead)theotēs: divinity (abstractly): - godhead.
(bodily)sōmatikōs: physically: - bodily.
He was man and God remember.He was described as both man nature and godlike nature.A man has a sinful nature pointblank.that is why a holy God had to be in leading
freright123 1 year ago
@freright123 I agree with this scripture.but this does not mean Jesus is God and here is why.Paul speaking to saints
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that {{{{ye might be filled with all the fulness}}}}}}} of God. Can we be God too? of course not..
Just as Paul wanted the saints to be filled with all of what is available to us the same was present in Christ while He was on earth..HE represented ALL of what we needed from God!!! He was a perfect image of God
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
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Jamerica360 1 year ago
Seriously you guys this is all that you need to shut all of your mouths... "Be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Notice how ti says NAME (singular), what is this "name" you may ask, well that is very simple, it is clearly revealed as Jesus through scripture. Also notice how EVERY SINGLE baptism in the Bible was indeed done in the name of JESUS!!! Not ONCE is ANYONE EVER baptized in any other way. Period.
Peter01Fett 1 year ago
@Peter01Fett I have been baptized in Jesus name and spoke in tongues as the initial evidence..and?
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
So basically all of you trinitarians are saying that, God, saw what was happening here on Earth, and said/thought, "Oh, look at all of this sin here on Earth, I need to fix this problem and save my children... HEY JESUS, I'm going to make you go down on Earth and fix my problem for me, by the way, it will include severe torture and pain and you will even die... okay? Okay let's do this." ... is THAT the sort of God that we serve??? I think not. God came down to Earth to take care of his problem.
Peter01Fett 1 year ago
@Peter01Fett Sir..God cannot die.No where in the OT did HE say He would become a man or even become His own Messiah..btw..I am not a Trinitarian or Oneness
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
@OnlyTheScriptures You are absolutely right, God can NOT die, he never did, he sacrificed the body and rose again. If you would like to do some research I would say that is awesome, but please SIR inform me on what exactly the word "die" means. Once you find the definition of "to die" you will understand how what you said is not only correct but WHY it is correct, as for the OT, it was in fact said that the Lord God himself would come down to Earth to save his own people.
Peter01Fett 1 year ago
@Peter01Fett chapter and verse please where God said " the Lord God himself would come down to Earth to save his own people"..good luck
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
@OnlyTheScriptures Did the prophet NOT say that =/ is this seriously your only valid argument that God isn't Jesus??? God spoke to the PROPHET what was going to happen, do not even deny that it happened.
Peter01Fett 1 year ago