Clutchology: Man - you had set up your argument so well, but then at the end gave an - eh - ok answer.
What you should have said is - What if the Christians are wrong and there is in fact some crazy Arachnid God who sends Christians to hell? Or what if there is a God who loves free thinking and sends atheists to heaven?
Then investing faith in Christianity is equally as risky as investing faith in atheism. This argument would have left the Christian without rebuttal.
if there was a god... you'd have thought natural disasters like typhoons and hurricanes etc would miss or go around churches and schools of innocent children etc..... but natural disasters dont really care who it kills ... they just happen
If Christianity is right, on judgment day I will protest: "Lord, you did NOT give us enough evidence!" But then there's an equal chance that any of thousands of other religions are right--although they are all equally lacking in evidence (none). So it's a lottery no matter what. I will continue to withhold any belief in the supernatural, and will not organize my life around something I find illogical and lacking in evidence. Instead, I will focus on trying to live a good and fulfilling life.
If god makes everything.. why did he make: atheist, sinners, murders, crazy people, retarded people, midget, nerds, dorks, english people, david hassleoff, bob dole, Asians that dont want to sleep with me, non-free prostitutes, Chris Crocker, glen beck, Hitler, buddha, Michael Jackson, Michael Vick, girls that dont put out, pedo-priest, Aids and did I mention bob dole wtf is up with that dude god? Would you really worship something that made those? I think not oh ya he made the devil what a f-up
Different perspectives. Some people may see different things than I do, or have less, different or more knowledge about the subject.
When I say it is insufficient, I mean purely on a what I personally see vs I personally know basis. It would be irrational for *me* to believe anything else. I am led to believe that this conclusion is the case, but you can never be sure because there is always something else out there to learn.
Doubtful. I am yet to be convinced that anyone can see the truth. We can all see parts of it and are blind to the rest.
To a degree we all lead ourselves, but we try as best as we can to use logic as a guide.
Anybody who thinks they can see 'the Truth' and are led purely by it are being dishonest to themselves.
We 'risk it' because that is the way the game is played. Some people cannot simply choose what they believe. They are more concerned with a search for truth than blind gambling.
"I am yet to be convinced that anyone can see the truth"
Not in totality, but more then others, which was my point.
"Some people cannot simply choose what they believe"
I would disagree, no one "knows" what created the universe, therefore we have to "choose" what to believe. Whether we choose to believe it was God or choose to believe it wasn't, both are choices.
I don't get out of bed and say to myself "What shall I believe today?"
What I believe is based on my knowledge and where that points me. If the information at hand points to atheism I would be irrational to believe in god.
And choosing to believe something when I know the information at hand points to the opposite conclusion is not something I am capable of doing, I'm afraid.
Go and watch my Pascals Wager video. It should be interesting to you.
no it was not *choices* if your choice was either -GOD- or -it wasnt- then you might include -2 GODs- or it wasnt -4 GODs- or it wasnt -5 GODs- or it wasnt -6 GODs- or it wasnt -7 GODs- or it wasnt -8 GODs- or it wasnt and so on ... same for believing you can believe it was GOD or 2 GOD, 3 God, 4 GOD and so on
Indoctrination. If you really want to know the answer to that, go look into belief systems. Here's the short version. As part of our evolution we've developed certain self defense mechanisms, beliefs are one of those. Your cavemen parents smack you when you go to eat the poisonous berries, so you "believe" from then on that eating the berries are bad and will kill you. The tribe across the hill is evil, the thunder is the sky god etc. You carry these ideas from then on.
Belief in God is not just "trying not to go to Hell". If anyone claims Jesus Christ just to avoid punishment, they will never truly know Him. I accepted Jesus as my savior the day that I finally got it through my thick head that I had offended God..countless times..and that I could never atone for it. Jesus paid the price of sin; death. What a beautiful gift to give someone that doesn't deserve it! That is the point. He knows your struggles, and is waiting for you to reach out to Him.
very elequaint...i go with if god is all forgiving then he must forgive me or he can suck my balls..chirstians dont seem toget it why we have a problem with them..its because they cant leave us alone to live our lives without wanting to interfer with us ...you must beleive in god or its my duty to convince you...no fuck off im too busy having amoral fun(in thier opinion)..ill take my chances
through God you can live a way better and a way happier life then you can without him i have experienced that through his love and through his forgiveness you can have an eternity of happiness without him and eternity of pain and suffering
michelle you seem like a nice lady ....but even if god was right in front of me saying worship me and i will promise you eternal life.........i would still say no ...in fact i would try and punch him,,,for all the misery hes caused,,,,but i still dont want to interfer in your beleifs im glad you find happiness and peace in it...........respect to you
I tend to find addressing what is distressing you and applying the appropriate treatment to your injuries to be much more effective ways of getting through things myself.
leaning on God is a truly amazing thing i know from very very recent experience without him i dont know how i would get through a lot of the things I'm dealing with at the moment
I would not want to take that away from you. Can you at least accept that to some people the thought of deities is detrimental to dealing with problems?
that's fine with me my point i guess is i dont just believe in God because i was told he was real or because of how i grew up but because i feel him every day in my life and because he has answered my prayers and been there for me many times
The most interesting thing about every (And I mean) every single last "Angry anti-god" commentator that I've ever heard without exception, all of them target Christianity. I've never heard one single atheist rail on any other of the thousands of religions on the face of the earth. Honestly, if there is a video on anywhere on the internet of an atheist speaking out against any other religion would one of you please tell me where I can find it? Honestly.
People judge Christians as "Bigoted" and "Controlling". Then they turned around and say, "Don't eat meat. Don't wear fur. Turn your lights out. Take shorter showers. You only have freedom of speech if you agree with us. GO GREEN" PISS OFF ALL OF YOU!!! Theyre fighting intolerance with intolerance and bigotry with bigotry. Substituting one set of rules for another and calling it freedom. My question to you is what if you're right?
this dumb, if you ever met God, you would fall to your knees and recognize HIm, and if you are lost and you die, He will say depart from me I never knew you, and you will depart, depart straight to hell.
Do you think it is justified to do everything you can honestly inquiring into the existence of deities and to come up with no valid reason to believe if there is one? Do you then think it is justified if that deity punishes you for this?
I've done everything I can to inquire into the existence of a god. Yet, I've got nothing. Either he has made me unable to find him or he is actively hiding. He does not want to know me. That's a problem.
well you can't sit here and say, i didn't have a Godly experience therefore he doesn't exist, many people have experienced God. The only reason why you can't find is either a) you are not the elect or b) you aren't really looking for Him. In fact, it says in psalms 10:4, the unbeliever doesn't seek God. It takes God to bring you to your knees and confess to Him, you aren't going to find HIm in some science experiment or math equation, it ain't going to happen.
That is a gross oversimplification of my position. The reasons for my disbelief do not include maths and science, neither do I conclude that simply because I haven't had a personal experience that there isn't a god. That is as ridiculous as concluding that there is because others have. My reasons delve deep into human psychology, philosophy and , most importantly, epistemology. I have searched and sought honestly and with an open mind. Your Bibles excuses for disbelief will never change that.
So basically you can't prove God's existence. Fine, so let's assume that God exists and that it requires faith to believe in him. So I have to choose what religion I want to believe in. According to your profile, Christianity is the only true religion, and all the others are made by Satan and will put me in hell. How am I supposed to know which religion is true? Did God give you a special power, and not me? Would a loving God put me to hell for not having received this special power from him?
You will never know of which religion or belief is true. It's physically impossible to prove the existence or non-existence of such a deity. The fact that many religions exist, disproves that anyone of those religions can be true, so the real true faith and religion, doesn't exist.
It just proves that religion as a whole isn't true simply because people say so. When you believe there is a God, you've already acquired a distinct belief that isn't justified over any other beliefs that might contradict it because it's not backed up by facts, only by what you want to believe. That's why there's atheism - taking the position of disbelief (but not saying there is no God). It's a basic logic principle that there's disbelief until a claim has been proven for that very reason.
And in extension, for all the other religions out there such as in third world countries, they have never been exposed to Christianity, will a loving God put them through the fires of hell.
you know what's amazing. the VFX video where he uses the comments he gets as proof that people that hold his position are better moraly, well the post here are amazing, I can't find a single negative one, there's no hostility, no hatred, just people that are biologically no different from the vfx croud, and no less capable of forming ethics, who are expressing their gratitude for hearing their position expressed so eloquently, no filter nessecary. usually dont sub straight bloggers, but i subd u
great video! some dude at school was trying to tell me i should go to church in case i was wrong so i wouldnt go to hell...its like wtf, you could be wrong just as easily and wind up going to hell because you werent a muslim or a mormon or w/e.
It's far more arrogant to believe you're an eternal being that has a direct connection and understanding of the creator of th universe than it is to say "hey, I don't see any reason to believe your bullshit... or his bullshit.... or their bullshit"
the only difference is that i do believe in God. but i'm not religious whatsoever. it personally makes more sense to me that we were created by something. however, the bible is corrupted, nonaccurate crap that teaches disgusting behaviors like slavery, sexism, rape, adultery, so on and so forth. if we have a GOOD god, he wouldn't damn people to hell for being intelligent.
I would absolutely love to have a discussion with you. It is so unbelievably refreshing to find someone that is insightful and logical as you; People like you are hard to come by these days.
You are probably the most balanced atheist on YouTube.. but you have less than 1500 subscribers. This tells me bashing something is about ten times more popular than questioning it from a position of respect, a fact I will definitely keep in mind if I ever start recording videos.
I keep saying this over and over: I choose hell! Chritianity gives you a choiche: Believe and go to heaven, dont and you´ll burn in hell and its been an easy choiche for me. When I look what bible tells us about satan I often go there is a being I can understand but god... he is one paradoxal motherfucker.
i've been confused i say i'm an athiest but i don't want to have anything do do with religion or athiesm i don't know is there a word for that. and clutch i always thought you'd get partnered with youtube.
A lot of people dont want anything to do with the topic. I call it an irrelevitist myself, someone who sees the question as irrelevant. That's cool. I don't care as much for it as my channel suggests. Nowhere near. I used to when I started, but not anymore.
I think I understand what you mean, you don't accept anything supernatural, your not proud, your not ashamed, your not confused, but your not interested in being labeled as any kind of ism because of the vulnerability of any ideology to become dogmatic and lose sight of it's original goal, also you don't want your position to be pinned to any specific label, your opinions are fluid and ever refined as you come across new ideas. Your opinion is not a genre.
I have had this asked to me quite a bit. However, they never seem to want to answer it themselves. And even if we are wrong, that doesn't mean that they are right. Most religious people do not like that either.
I don't see death as having anything to do with the issue at all. It's a non-sequitur.
I've looked at the idea of "faith" from many different perspectives. I simply find them epistemologically insufficient.
This is a key issue for me. Believers base their cases on methods which I find tremendously flawed from an epistemological perspective. I cannot use those epistemologies to convince myself of minor things, let alone something as significant as deities.
I speak of His death, i.e. Jesus'. It is the demonstration of the greatest love as Jesus taught beforehand.
As for faith: I am asking you to look at it from its natural perspective, that being a relationship of trust based on love (as God is love). Therefore, demanding "proof" would nullify the desired loving relationship.
How is one to trust something when he doesn't even know what that something is, or can trust that it's even there in the first place? Even in human relationships, we recognise that the other person is there and exists. Surely I can hold the creator of the universe to the same standard as human beings.
Again, I find such ideas of faith to be epistemologically flawed to great degrees. If I were to believe off such ideas, I would not be able to convince myself that I am engaging in anything more than a subjective psychological safety net. If God is claimed objectively and absolutely, I require that the reasons to believe follow suit. Either the epistemology must change, or the conception of god must. It cannot work both ways, or we open a great solipsistic bag of philosophical worms.
Again: consider this: if you fall in love with a girl (I mean love, not a short crush or lustful desire), would you consider that the conclusion you gain from objective factors based on rational thought?
Or is it something more?
This may sound very weird, but have you actually ever tried out prayer?
Love is not real either. Love is just a series of chemical reactions in the human body that make us "feel" certain things. Hormones drive us to procreate, to find that ideal genetic mate. Love does not exist.
If you're correlatng a falicious diety (THAT MEANS GOD) with love and compassion...let me begin..killing, condemnation, damnation, forcing people to bow down, demanding respect and altruistic, satisfying, undoubtful relevance and thoughts to something is not love Agila, thats more like a mean, angry, vicious person who is self-centered and does not have a set goal in life....thats your god? War, Crime, Blood, Tears, thats your gods arsenal, not love.
Okay, well here is how I went about it: the meaning of life to me is not mere survival, but something more. The greatest i could think of was love. By Christian definition God is love, thereby the entire cause behind and purpose for everything is that. This all leads to the relationship of trust as love cannot be forced unto someone: it has to be freely accepted/rejected on the basis of a trusting relationship.
Interesting read would be: "Deus Caritas Est". Pope BeneXVI's 1st encyclical
If God sounds like that I'll have trouble keeping a straight face.
If we are "fallen" and imperfect, then we cannot be expected to reason properly or make perfect judgements. For God to punish us for that would be to punish us for the imperfection *he imposed on us*. Free will is irrelevant to this point.
People who believe this sort of thing are a danger to society. Their God is a complete mongrel because they're complete mongrels. There's no way round that, frankly.
Then I'm glad, because if he didn't he might be as mistaken as many of his followers seem to be in thinking I'm just being an ass and rebelling/ignoring him etc. when I'm really just going where the arguments take me.
At least this way he realises that the fault is his own, not mine. I'm glad. I hate getting blamed for other peoples failures.
I don't think it would be that fun in heaven anyway. No personal belongings, no senses, no pleasure(wink) no coveting, no beautiful nature to travel in, but plenty of ... god worshiping and golden streets, oh and it will never end, unless of course you find a way to fuck up. Heaven sucks if you think about it.
It's about time someone did a dramatization of the 'What if I'm wrong' scenario. Now I have a template. Did you get a new camera? I wonder if you'll even see this message. YT doesn't alert us for every message any more. Hm. Hope you're enjoying school.
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Dude, there is a God, and He loves you. Won't you take that leap of faith and believe? I know i've talked to you before, but I just am concerned, and want you to know that God does exist - He is very real. Seek Him truly, and you will find Him, son.
What if I'm wrong? Well, my response would either be the same as your's, or I'd spit in this so called God's vile face, because I want nothing to do with the BS found in his so called "holy" book.
What basically started me on the path to questioning my beliefs was realizing that if I had grown up on the other side of the planet, I would truly believe some other religion to be the "correct relgion." This idea escapes the religious, but not me. The idea kept nagging me in the back of my mind.
And for about 2 years now I have been free. Free to question and free to enjoy my short time on this blue dot known as "Earth."
Religion tries to strip us of our humanity, and I'm sick of it.
"I did NOT believe in your existence, God, in essence, for the exact same reason why any one of your believers did--because such granted me a measure of peace which I simply could not have obtained otherwise. But I take it that you already knew this, seeing as how you are traditionally defined as "all-knowing" (and "all-loving", to name just one other dubious designation). I'd take this moment to ask you some 'whys' as well, only I suspect all I'd hear is some mumblings about 'tests of faith'."
christians and atheists do that little 'god questioning us after death' thingy a lot...but truly, why would a god ever need to question us? as it was in the first book (genesis, for you christians that don't read), god asks adam and eve, "where art thou?" and, "what did you guys have to eat earlier?" and, "cain, where is your brother?"
why? don't gods already know the answers? and, if they do, are they just being assholes? trying to catch us in a lie??? what the hell?
Hey I just had a really cool idea. If I'm wrong and the Christian God exists and he really DOES love me then maybe he will send me to hell. But once I get there instead of torture I will be able to indulge in all the wicked sins I so enjoyed when I was alive and maybe even some I never got around to! There was this sweet little 16 year old....
What if Christians are wrong and a completely different god will torture them for eternity for not believing that it exists?
The major flaw with the "What if you're wrong?" question is that it assumes a false dichotomy. The person asking the question assumes that nothing will be lost after death if his chosen god doesn't exist.
I'm surprised that you didn't address this major flaw in the argument.
The aim wasn't so much about dismantling the reasoning (which I dont think really needs to be stated) as opposed to encouraging people to entertain the possibility that they could be wrong.
"as opposed to encouraging people to entertain the possibility that they could be wrong."
I don't know, "what if I'm wrong" arguments didn't really affect me a whole lot, but I guess that's because I was a Christians skeptic to begin with. It's more for the ignorant who have an open mind. It's hard to come by those people.
Hmm. Well you could say that if the Christian god does exist and it is omniscient, then it already knows that you legitimately don't believe that it exists, given the lack of evidence.
In which case it would only be fair to present sufficient evidence to believe that it exists before damning you to hell by no fault of your own.
I hate that question, "what if you're wrong?" It's a stupid question really, because, first off, you're assuming that if I'm wrong, you're right. What makes your religion any less unbelievable than the others?
The funny thing about religion is that it has nothing to do with being real. Whatever you believe in is affected by two things: place of birth, and the events in your life. In the case of religion, it's all nurture and barely nature.
That was great and is exactly what I believe. God knows exactly what it would take for me to believe in him if he is real, yet he fails to do so, or he is imaginary. If he is real and he doesn't give me the proof I require and sends me to Hell, he is one evil mother fucker, but the logical conclusion is that he is imaginary.
Like Mary said, an interesting question you raise - "Why did God make me a non beleiver?"
I didn't "choose" to be an atheist. Nor am I "rejecting" God, any more than I am "rejecting" the spaghetti monster or Thor or Shiva. It's simply that the evidence I see doesn't convince me that God exists. I don't actually have much choice in the matter, I simply go with the flow of the evidence. To suddenly state "I now believe in God" would be dishonest to myself.
That does bring up a good point. Why would a god make people a certain way to make them not want to believe in something? That wouldn't make sense at all if a God were to exist. Great video. :)
I know 100% for sure that God does indeed exist. If I wasn't a 100% certain, I wouldn't make such a comment. And of course I make the comment in the hope that the reader will take corrective action.
Indeed. People were once 100% sure the earth was flat. The idea that it was round seemed completely counter-intuitive. Now most people are 100% sure that the earth is round, and to say it's flat seems absurd. This is on a tangible issue. Surety on intangible concepts such as philosophy have an even less secure footing.
"This is on a tangible issue. Surety on intangible concepts such as philosophy have an even less secure footing."
You couldn't of said it any better. To use cosmological and teological arguments for God's existence is to assume to much about the nature of what the universe is and what it was before the big bang if there was a "before." Furthermore to get a God you have to use probability logic of "fine tunity" and then make a special plead that it doesn't apply to God.
Clutchology: (continued) furthermore philosophy is very limited in the fact that it is based heavely on science and a philosophical model makes a lot of assumptions that cannot be proven. And then they turn the tables and tell me science makes a lot of assumptions. Well yea! But when has science been wrong? Philosophies come and go and often are unfasifiable. But yea, I used to believe you can prove God 100. I think a healthy dose of skepticism, even when it seems obvious, is good for all of us.
The only sure footing is truth. Truth is solid as a rock. Science and Universities also taught that the earth was flat in those days. But brave souls like Columbus ventured out and found out for themselves. This is what I have done.
I would like to agree with you there, but I've seen too many people, to steal Az's term, fall into the abyss to say that truth is in and of itself a sure footing. To be sure you have truth is, however, a detrimental attitude to the search for truth.
As for your comparison to Columbus, they had cases strong enough to overturn unanimous consensuses. "I've heard God's voice" is not such a case. Because of the nature of this debate, I doubt any argument will be strong enough to assure anything other than a false sense of personal surety.
I agree with you about Columbus, and the analogy was meant to convey how I surrendered fully to Christ and he proved himself to me beyond any doubt. It is my testimony which can admissible in court for evidence. I have a link to a fuller version on my youtube page. Also, my wife was amazingly healed of 2 chronic illnesses (lupus and colitis) after a godly woman prayed over her 20 years ago. I know there is a God because I called on him and he answered. That can never be erased from my head.
I've heard God's voice one time in my life and I know he is real. Unbelief is a trap. Anyone can fall into unbelief, but God requires that we believe.
"P.S. I have a friend who hears voices in his head too. We worry about him..."
Yea, I would worry about him too. This was not in my head though. And to do it justice I have a link on my youtube account page to the whole story. Basically, if you seek God with all your heart you will find him. That's what I did. It is not easy to give it ALL your heart, but I didn't hold anything back and he proved himself to me beyond any doubt.
That is awesome dude. I just wonder why he chooses not to talk to me, or give me one little hint of his existence other than hearsay from people like yourself.
Most christians that use this line "what if you're wrong" also act as though they don't honestly believe in god, however they simply pay lip service to the idea, "just in case"..
Where is this clause in the bible that says one just needs to pretend?
Right before I die, I'm going to say "I love God". That way, just in case I'm wrong, I can get into Heaven with a technicality, even after living a sinful life. Muahaha, I'm a genius!
Secondly, Christians never ask if they can trust any God, including their own, if that God is willing to condemn a man to everlasting perdition for HONEST skepticism? If a God can condemn a man for candid doubt, then he doesn't value intellectual honesty, and therefore he might be DISHONEST himself. Hence, even believing Christians should be worried about their eternal fate, because a God that doesn't value honesty is certainly a God who can betray his most loyal followers on a whim.
Clutchology, that explanation was simple and lucid. Of course, Christians never try to answer the question "what if they are wrong"? Christians never ask what if their God is not the true God, and it is instead Allah, or some other God that they haven't heard of, and what if that God also condemns them for non-belief? By Christians committing themselves to a particular interpretation of God, they open themselves up to being in error, and therefore share an equal probability of being damned.
Because of man's deep love of sin no one will come to God on their own. God has called ALL to repentance but none come on their own. So He must choose some and change them. "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."-Luke 5:33. "They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his CALLED, CHOSEN and faithful followers."-Rev 17:14. Read the Parable of the Wedding Banquet Matthew 22.
lol, even if there were burning bushes screaming at me I don't think I could believe in a god. I'd just think I'd gone bonkers. Sooner or later everyone dies. If that means that the fun begins or stops, well, I'd still hope I'd be happy with the way I've lived my life.
When they say "What if you're wrong?" what they really mean is "What if I'm right?" because there are infinitely many ways in which you could be wrong--but so would the other person.
Clutchology: Man - you had set up your argument so well, but then at the end gave an - eh - ok answer.
What you should have said is - What if the Christians are wrong and there is in fact some crazy Arachnid God who sends Christians to hell? Or what if there is a God who loves free thinking and sends atheists to heaven?
Then investing faith in Christianity is equally as risky as investing faith in atheism. This argument would have left the Christian without rebuttal.
MrAristotelianattic 11 months ago
if there was a god... you'd have thought natural disasters like typhoons and hurricanes etc would miss or go around churches and schools of innocent children etc..... but natural disasters dont really care who it kills ... they just happen
DjAlanBarratt 1 year ago
i would argue that the gods, or the karmic tribunal, if they exist, would HAVE to respect our intelligence. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
BoricuaChiTown 1 year ago
If Christianity is right, on judgment day I will protest: "Lord, you did NOT give us enough evidence!" But then there's an equal chance that any of thousands of other religions are right--although they are all equally lacking in evidence (none). So it's a lottery no matter what. I will continue to withhold any belief in the supernatural, and will not organize my life around something I find illogical and lacking in evidence. Instead, I will focus on trying to live a good and fulfilling life.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
If god makes everything.. why did he make: atheist, sinners, murders, crazy people, retarded people, midget, nerds, dorks, english people, david hassleoff, bob dole, Asians that dont want to sleep with me, non-free prostitutes, Chris Crocker, glen beck, Hitler, buddha, Michael Jackson, Michael Vick, girls that dont put out, pedo-priest, Aids and did I mention bob dole wtf is up with that dude god? Would you really worship something that made those? I think not oh ya he made the devil what a f-up
dude12nothin 2 years ago
@dude12nothin You forgot to mention Barry Manilow. He's the reason I'm an atheist.
HugrMunr 1 year ago
@HugrMunr To true.
dude12nothin 1 year ago
Who were you talking to in your intro? That was a pretty good re-enactment of the future. Pretty good!
Be blessed bud!
Lexilea68 2 years ago
Just a question, if the evidence is insufficient for belief, then how come some people believe?
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
Different perspectives. Some people may see different things than I do, or have less, different or more knowledge about the subject.
When I say it is insufficient, I mean purely on a what I personally see vs I personally know basis. It would be irrational for *me* to believe anything else. I am led to believe that this conclusion is the case, but you can never be sure because there is always something else out there to learn.
Clutchology 2 years ago
Or to put it another way, some people can see the truth and some people are blind.
"I am led to believe that this conclusion is the case"
You are led? Or do you lead yourself?
"you can never be sure"
So why risk it?
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
Doubtful. I am yet to be convinced that anyone can see the truth. We can all see parts of it and are blind to the rest.
To a degree we all lead ourselves, but we try as best as we can to use logic as a guide.
Anybody who thinks they can see 'the Truth' and are led purely by it are being dishonest to themselves.
We 'risk it' because that is the way the game is played. Some people cannot simply choose what they believe. They are more concerned with a search for truth than blind gambling.
Clutchology 2 years ago
"I am yet to be convinced that anyone can see the truth"
Not in totality, but more then others, which was my point.
"Some people cannot simply choose what they believe"
I would disagree, no one "knows" what created the universe, therefore we have to "choose" what to believe. Whether we choose to believe it was God or choose to believe it wasn't, both are choices.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
What I mean is it isn't an arbitrary choice.
I don't get out of bed and say to myself "What shall I believe today?"
What I believe is based on my knowledge and where that points me. If the information at hand points to atheism I would be irrational to believe in god.
And choosing to believe something when I know the information at hand points to the opposite conclusion is not something I am capable of doing, I'm afraid.
Go and watch my Pascals Wager video. It should be interesting to you.
Clutchology 2 years ago
Th0usandMaster 2 years ago
@TheHonestTheist . no > you can know who create universe , just should r siteand read the holy Quran
lovelychances 1 year ago
Indoctrination. If you really want to know the answer to that, go look into belief systems. Here's the short version. As part of our evolution we've developed certain self defense mechanisms, beliefs are one of those. Your cavemen parents smack you when you go to eat the poisonous berries, so you "believe" from then on that eating the berries are bad and will kill you. The tribe across the hill is evil, the thunder is the sky god etc. You carry these ideas from then on.
Rantandreason 2 years ago
TheHonestTheist, they believe because they are delusional.
ndyt 2 years ago
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@TheHonestTheist "Just a question, if the evidence is insufficient for belief, then how come some people believe?"
Fear, need, intellectual laziness, emotional insecurity, powerful indoctrination......Take your pick!
Tobytrim 1 year ago
Belief in God is not just "trying not to go to Hell". If anyone claims Jesus Christ just to avoid punishment, they will never truly know Him. I accepted Jesus as my savior the day that I finally got it through my thick head that I had offended God..countless times..and that I could never atone for it. Jesus paid the price of sin; death. What a beautiful gift to give someone that doesn't deserve it! That is the point. He knows your struggles, and is waiting for you to reach out to Him.
conservativemama09 2 years ago
very elequaint...i go with if god is all forgiving then he must forgive me or he can suck my balls..chirstians dont seem toget it why we have a problem with them..its because they cant leave us alone to live our lives without wanting to interfer with us ...you must beleive in god or its my duty to convince you...no fuck off im too busy having amoral fun(in thier opinion)..ill take my chances
erlock21 2 years ago
through God you can live a way better and a way happier life then you can without him i have experienced that through his love and through his forgiveness you can have an eternity of happiness without him and eternity of pain and suffering
michelle4everyours 2 years ago
michelle you seem like a nice lady ....but even if god was right in front of me saying worship me and i will promise you eternal life.........i would still say no ...in fact i would try and punch him,,,for all the misery hes caused,,,,but i still dont want to interfer in your beleifs im glad you find happiness and peace in it...........respect to you
erlock21 2 years ago
misery is from sin pain is from sin sickness is from sin not from God through God you can get through things like that easier
michelle4everyours 2 years ago
I tend to find addressing what is distressing you and applying the appropriate treatment to your injuries to be much more effective ways of getting through things myself.
Clutchology 2 years ago
leaning on God is a truly amazing thing i know from very very recent experience without him i dont know how i would get through a lot of the things I'm dealing with at the moment
michelle4everyours 2 years ago
I would not want to take that away from you. Can you at least accept that to some people the thought of deities is detrimental to dealing with problems?
Clutchology 2 years ago
that's fine with me my point i guess is i dont just believe in God because i was told he was real or because of how i grew up but because i feel him every day in my life and because he has answered my prayers and been there for me many times
michelle4everyours 2 years ago
The most interesting thing about every (And I mean) every single last "Angry anti-god" commentator that I've ever heard without exception, all of them target Christianity. I've never heard one single atheist rail on any other of the thousands of religions on the face of the earth. Honestly, if there is a video on anywhere on the internet of an atheist speaking out against any other religion would one of you please tell me where I can find it? Honestly.
Acertain1 2 years ago
Pat Condell
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Xerxes4242 2 years ago
Excellent!
Acertain1 2 years ago
People judge Christians as "Bigoted" and "Controlling". Then they turned around and say, "Don't eat meat. Don't wear fur. Turn your lights out. Take shorter showers. You only have freedom of speech if you agree with us. GO GREEN" PISS OFF ALL OF YOU!!! Theyre fighting intolerance with intolerance and bigotry with bigotry. Substituting one set of rules for another and calling it freedom. My question to you is what if you're right?
toowise44you 2 years ago
I'm not a Christian, but that doesn't make me a vegan activist. Since when did it?
Xerxes4242 2 years ago
tautological.
culturalmut 2 years ago
That's the point.
Clutchology 2 years ago
this dumb, if you ever met God, you would fall to your knees and recognize HIm, and if you are lost and you die, He will say depart from me I never knew you, and you will depart, depart straight to hell.
mayermusic1092 3 years ago
"He will say...I never knew you"
I think that's the problem. Don't you?
Clutchology 3 years ago
How is it a problem? He is doing justice.
mayermusic1092 3 years ago
Do you think it is justified to do everything you can honestly inquiring into the existence of deities and to come up with no valid reason to believe if there is one? Do you then think it is justified if that deity punishes you for this?
I've done everything I can to inquire into the existence of a god. Yet, I've got nothing. Either he has made me unable to find him or he is actively hiding. He does not want to know me. That's a problem.
Either that or he doesn't actually exist.
Clutchology 3 years ago
well you can't sit here and say, i didn't have a Godly experience therefore he doesn't exist, many people have experienced God. The only reason why you can't find is either a) you are not the elect or b) you aren't really looking for Him. In fact, it says in psalms 10:4, the unbeliever doesn't seek God. It takes God to bring you to your knees and confess to Him, you aren't going to find HIm in some science experiment or math equation, it ain't going to happen.
mayermusic1092 3 years ago
That is a gross oversimplification of my position. The reasons for my disbelief do not include maths and science, neither do I conclude that simply because I haven't had a personal experience that there isn't a god. That is as ridiculous as concluding that there is because others have. My reasons delve deep into human psychology, philosophy and , most importantly, epistemology. I have searched and sought honestly and with an open mind. Your Bibles excuses for disbelief will never change that.
Clutchology 3 years ago
So basically you can't prove God's existence. Fine, so let's assume that God exists and that it requires faith to believe in him. So I have to choose what religion I want to believe in. According to your profile, Christianity is the only true religion, and all the others are made by Satan and will put me in hell. How am I supposed to know which religion is true? Did God give you a special power, and not me? Would a loving God put me to hell for not having received this special power from him?
ChristianScherwin 3 years ago
You will never know of which religion or belief is true. It's physically impossible to prove the existence or non-existence of such a deity. The fact that many religions exist, disproves that anyone of those religions can be true, so the real true faith and religion, doesn't exist.
Neenatooke 2 years ago 2
It just proves that religion as a whole isn't true simply because people say so. When you believe there is a God, you've already acquired a distinct belief that isn't justified over any other beliefs that might contradict it because it's not backed up by facts, only by what you want to believe. That's why there's atheism - taking the position of disbelief (but not saying there is no God). It's a basic logic principle that there's disbelief until a claim has been proven for that very reason.
ChristianScherwin 2 years ago 2
And in extension, for all the other religions out there such as in third world countries, they have never been exposed to Christianity, will a loving God put them through the fires of hell.
mrtnsamson 2 years ago
you know what's amazing. the VFX video where he uses the comments he gets as proof that people that hold his position are better moraly, well the post here are amazing, I can't find a single negative one, there's no hostility, no hatred, just people that are biologically no different from the vfx croud, and no less capable of forming ethics, who are expressing their gratitude for hearing their position expressed so eloquently, no filter nessecary. usually dont sub straight bloggers, but i subd u
theMadSmashedClam 3 years ago 2
Very nice and straightforward video. Good job ;-)
warugadar 3 years ago
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akpret 3 years ago
The idea of Bin Laden being alive is some more BS.
charlesfloyb 3 years ago
great video! some dude at school was trying to tell me i should go to church in case i was wrong so i wouldnt go to hell...its like wtf, you could be wrong just as easily and wind up going to hell because you werent a muslim or a mormon or w/e.
ilovefredandgeorge 3 years ago 3
It's far more arrogant to believe you're an eternal being that has a direct connection and understanding of the creator of th universe than it is to say "hey, I don't see any reason to believe your bullshit... or his bullshit.... or their bullshit"
funincluded 3 years ago
My thoughts exactly! 5 stars!
debauchery73 3 years ago 2
Great video man 5/5
and you're not going to Hell, as in no one is in Hell
TheIrrationalAtheist 3 years ago
Well said
LaCerca 3 years ago
thank---you
this is how i feel
the only difference is that i do believe in God. but i'm not religious whatsoever. it personally makes more sense to me that we were created by something. however, the bible is corrupted, nonaccurate crap that teaches disgusting behaviors like slavery, sexism, rape, adultery, so on and so forth. if we have a GOOD god, he wouldn't damn people to hell for being intelligent.
Geekella 3 years ago
I would absolutely love to have a discussion with you. It is so unbelievably refreshing to find someone that is insightful and logical as you; People like you are hard to come by these days.
Seriously, we should.
danae212 3 years ago
get involved in the "evolution vs. id" debate
pretty much all atheist have logic and are quite insightful
if you live in the un-united states then i know where your coming from
i myself find youtube to be the place for me to talk logic with other people without getting the "your gonna burn in hell" bullshit.
slmjml 3 years ago
great video
cookieguy10 3 years ago
You are probably the most balanced atheist on YouTube.. but you have less than 1500 subscribers. This tells me bashing something is about ten times more popular than questioning it from a position of respect, a fact I will definitely keep in mind if I ever start recording videos.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago 2
I keep saying this over and over: I choose hell! Chritianity gives you a choiche: Believe and go to heaven, dont and you´ll burn in hell and its been an easy choiche for me. When I look what bible tells us about satan I often go there is a being I can understand but god... he is one paradoxal motherfucker.
TuplaP 3 years ago
i've been confused i say i'm an athiest but i don't want to have anything do do with religion or athiesm i don't know is there a word for that. and clutch i always thought you'd get partnered with youtube.
SeantheRock 3 years ago
A lot of people dont want anything to do with the topic. I call it an irrelevitist myself, someone who sees the question as irrelevant. That's cool. I don't care as much for it as my channel suggests. Nowhere near. I used to when I started, but not anymore.
Clutchology 3 years ago
I think I understand what you mean, you don't accept anything supernatural, your not proud, your not ashamed, your not confused, but your not interested in being labeled as any kind of ism because of the vulnerability of any ideology to become dogmatic and lose sight of it's original goal, also you don't want your position to be pinned to any specific label, your opinions are fluid and ever refined as you come across new ideas. Your opinion is not a genre.
hows my aim
theMadSmashedClam 3 years ago
Clutch is so adorable! Inside and out!
Illuxx777 3 years ago
I have had this asked to me quite a bit. However, they never seem to want to answer it themselves. And even if we are wrong, that doesn't mean that they are right. Most religious people do not like that either.
SouthernRaisedAtheis 3 years ago 2
Good video!
PathofReason 3 years ago
god: what do you have to say for yourself?
me: ditto. You open the scroll I'll open the bible. Let's compare sins shall we.
kentmage 3 years ago
"You didn't give me enough reasons to believe"
If death itself is not enough, what can be?
btw: I do think that arrogance is not the reason for your disbelief. Perhaps looking at "faith" from a different angle may help?
Agila1 3 years ago
I don't see death as having anything to do with the issue at all. It's a non-sequitur.
I've looked at the idea of "faith" from many different perspectives. I simply find them epistemologically insufficient.
This is a key issue for me. Believers base their cases on methods which I find tremendously flawed from an epistemological perspective. I cannot use those epistemologies to convince myself of minor things, let alone something as significant as deities.
Clutchology 3 years ago
I speak of His death, i.e. Jesus'. It is the demonstration of the greatest love as Jesus taught beforehand.
As for faith: I am asking you to look at it from its natural perspective, that being a relationship of trust based on love (as God is love). Therefore, demanding "proof" would nullify the desired loving relationship.
Agila1 3 years ago
How is one to trust something when he doesn't even know what that something is, or can trust that it's even there in the first place? Even in human relationships, we recognise that the other person is there and exists. Surely I can hold the creator of the universe to the same standard as human beings.
Clutchology 3 years ago
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Again, I find such ideas of faith to be epistemologically flawed to great degrees. If I were to believe off such ideas, I would not be able to convince myself that I am engaging in anything more than a subjective psychological safety net. If God is claimed objectively and absolutely, I require that the reasons to believe follow suit. Either the epistemology must change, or the conception of god must. It cannot work both ways, or we open a great solipsistic bag of philosophical worms.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Again: consider this: if you fall in love with a girl (I mean love, not a short crush or lustful desire), would you consider that the conclusion you gain from objective factors based on rational thought?
Or is it something more?
This may sound very weird, but have you actually ever tried out prayer?
Agila1 3 years ago
Love is not real either. Love is just a series of chemical reactions in the human body that make us "feel" certain things. Hormones drive us to procreate, to find that ideal genetic mate. Love does not exist.
PathofReason 3 years ago
"Love does not exist."
Well, I disagree ;)
Agila1 3 years ago
If you're correlatng a falicious diety (THAT MEANS GOD) with love and compassion...let me begin..killing, condemnation, damnation, forcing people to bow down, demanding respect and altruistic, satisfying, undoubtful relevance and thoughts to something is not love Agila, thats more like a mean, angry, vicious person who is self-centered and does not have a set goal in life....thats your god? War, Crime, Blood, Tears, thats your gods arsenal, not love.
LetsTalkAboutIssues 3 years ago
Okay, well here is how I went about it: the meaning of life to me is not mere survival, but something more. The greatest i could think of was love. By Christian definition God is love, thereby the entire cause behind and purpose for everything is that. This all leads to the relationship of trust as love cannot be forced unto someone: it has to be freely accepted/rejected on the basis of a trusting relationship.
Interesting read would be: "Deus Caritas Est". Pope BeneXVI's 1st encyclical
Agila1 3 years ago
If God sounds like that I'll have trouble keeping a straight face.
If we are "fallen" and imperfect, then we cannot be expected to reason properly or make perfect judgements. For God to punish us for that would be to punish us for the imperfection *he imposed on us*. Free will is irrelevant to this point.
People who believe this sort of thing are a danger to society. Their God is a complete mongrel because they're complete mongrels. There's no way round that, frankly.
MenoftheInfinite 3 years ago
Then I'm glad, because if he didn't he might be as mistaken as many of his followers seem to be in thinking I'm just being an ass and rebelling/ignoring him etc. when I'm really just going where the arguments take me.
At least this way he realises that the fault is his own, not mine. I'm glad. I hate getting blamed for other peoples failures.
Clutchology 3 years ago
I'm good with that.
Snowflake70 3 years ago
Good Acting! :)
You should go to some school and become an
actor :)
markoresko 3 years ago
You are very logical
texmexspm 3 years ago
I don't think it would be that fun in heaven anyway. No personal belongings, no senses, no pleasure(wink) no coveting, no beautiful nature to travel in, but plenty of ... god worshiping and golden streets, oh and it will never end, unless of course you find a way to fuck up. Heaven sucks if you think about it.
ArtypNk 3 years ago
When they go up in rapture I am hoping they will leave me all their toys and things.
ThisBoyTV 3 years ago
I am a believer, I just don't have a deity, so if I am wrong I will be pleasantly probably while I am being sent off to hell. Cheers!
NLPNVC 3 years ago
It's about time someone did a dramatization of the 'What if I'm wrong' scenario. Now I have a template. Did you get a new camera? I wonder if you'll even see this message. YT doesn't alert us for every message any more. Hm. Hope you're enjoying school.
proteanview 3 years ago
Nah, it's the same camera. I'm a student. Such luxuries are far beyond my reach right now!
Clutchology 3 years ago
Like you said Clutch, it's not something that worries my mind.
Paxmax 3 years ago
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Dude, there is a God, and He loves you. Won't you take that leap of faith and believe? I know i've talked to you before, but I just am concerned, and want you to know that God does exist - He is very real. Seek Him truly, and you will find Him, son.
goateeWearer 3 years ago
Lol. That is all.
godsentyes 3 years ago
It doesn't make sense that you should have faith BEFORE believing.
richie3622 3 years ago
Great vid. Great vid indeed! 4 Stars!
What if I'm wrong? Well, my response would either be the same as your's, or I'd spit in this so called God's vile face, because I want nothing to do with the BS found in his so called "holy" book.
MapleTreeOfKnowledge 3 years ago
Check this out, I've been working on it:
Faith (n): the unrelenting superimposition of the will over genuine doubt
nice vid!
CelphaFiael 3 years ago
What basically started me on the path to questioning my beliefs was realizing that if I had grown up on the other side of the planet, I would truly believe some other religion to be the "correct relgion." This idea escapes the religious, but not me. The idea kept nagging me in the back of my mind.
And for about 2 years now I have been free. Free to question and free to enjoy my short time on this blue dot known as "Earth."
Religion tries to strip us of our humanity, and I'm sick of it.
MagnusIan 3 years ago
"I did NOT believe in your existence, God, in essence, for the exact same reason why any one of your believers did--because such granted me a measure of peace which I simply could not have obtained otherwise. But I take it that you already knew this, seeing as how you are traditionally defined as "all-knowing" (and "all-loving", to name just one other dubious designation). I'd take this moment to ask you some 'whys' as well, only I suspect all I'd hear is some mumblings about 'tests of faith'."
skewed12 3 years ago
what if you're right?
plant food.
great vid.
holybabble 3 years ago
also,
christians and atheists do that little 'god questioning us after death' thingy a lot...but truly, why would a god ever need to question us? as it was in the first book (genesis, for you christians that don't read), god asks adam and eve, "where art thou?" and, "what did you guys have to eat earlier?" and, "cain, where is your brother?"
why? don't gods already know the answers? and, if they do, are they just being assholes? trying to catch us in a lie??? what the hell?
holybabble 3 years ago
Hey I just had a really cool idea. If I'm wrong and the Christian God exists and he really DOES love me then maybe he will send me to hell. But once I get there instead of torture I will be able to indulge in all the wicked sins I so enjoyed when I was alive and maybe even some I never got around to! There was this sweet little 16 year old....
Ansonidak 3 years ago
What if Christians are wrong and a completely different god will torture them for eternity for not believing that it exists?
The major flaw with the "What if you're wrong?" question is that it assumes a false dichotomy. The person asking the question assumes that nothing will be lost after death if his chosen god doesn't exist.
I'm surprised that you didn't address this major flaw in the argument.
Vinifera7 3 years ago
The aim wasn't so much about dismantling the reasoning (which I dont think really needs to be stated) as opposed to encouraging people to entertain the possibility that they could be wrong.
Clutchology 3 years ago
"as opposed to encouraging people to entertain the possibility that they could be wrong."
I don't know, "what if I'm wrong" arguments didn't really affect me a whole lot, but I guess that's because I was a Christians skeptic to begin with. It's more for the ignorant who have an open mind. It's hard to come by those people.
darkforce333 3 years ago
Hmm. Well you could say that if the Christian god does exist and it is omniscient, then it already knows that you legitimately don't believe that it exists, given the lack of evidence.
In which case it would only be fair to present sufficient evidence to believe that it exists before damning you to hell by no fault of your own.
Vinifera7 3 years ago
Great video, as always.
I hate that question, "what if you're wrong?" It's a stupid question really, because, first off, you're assuming that if I'm wrong, you're right. What makes your religion any less unbelievable than the others?
The funny thing about religion is that it has nothing to do with being real. Whatever you believe in is affected by two things: place of birth, and the events in your life. In the case of religion, it's all nurture and barely nature.
p2umpkin 3 years ago 2
That was great and is exactly what I believe. God knows exactly what it would take for me to believe in him if he is real, yet he fails to do so, or he is imaginary. If he is real and he doesn't give me the proof I require and sends me to Hell, he is one evil mother fucker, but the logical conclusion is that he is imaginary.
xrayman7040 3 years ago
Like Mary said, an interesting question you raise - "Why did God make me a non beleiver?"
I didn't "choose" to be an atheist. Nor am I "rejecting" God, any more than I am "rejecting" the spaghetti monster or Thor or Shiva. It's simply that the evidence I see doesn't convince me that God exists. I don't actually have much choice in the matter, I simply go with the flow of the evidence. To suddenly state "I now believe in God" would be dishonest to myself.
EASYTIGER10 3 years ago
So, if it wasn't my decision to be an atheist, and God made me, doesn't that mean HE made me an atheist?
If so, why?
EASYTIGER10 3 years ago
That does bring up a good point. Why would a god make people a certain way to make them not want to believe in something? That wouldn't make sense at all if a God were to exist. Great video. :)
HaleyMary 3 years ago
More accurately it might go:
God: I gave my only beloved Son for a sacrifice for your sins, did you hear about it and how did you respond?
Sinner: I heard about it, but I rejected your Son.
God: So now you will pay for your own sin along with Lucifer and all the angels that have sinned with him. There is no more redemption.
Also, you may not worry about now, but look at old people, the way they fidget with their hands, the closer you get to death the more you will worry.
biblethink 3 years ago
And people like you should be ashamed that you inflict such fear upon your fellow man for such a pathetic cause.
Shmako1 3 years ago
I know 100% for sure that God does indeed exist. If I wasn't a 100% certain, I wouldn't make such a comment. And of course I make the comment in the hope that the reader will take corrective action.
biblethink 3 years ago
I used to think I was 100% sure God existed. Now I'm not so sure any God exists. Sincere belief makes no difference to what is real.
darkforce333 3 years ago
Indeed. People were once 100% sure the earth was flat. The idea that it was round seemed completely counter-intuitive. Now most people are 100% sure that the earth is round, and to say it's flat seems absurd. This is on a tangible issue. Surety on intangible concepts such as philosophy have an even less secure footing.
Clutchology 3 years ago
"This is on a tangible issue. Surety on intangible concepts such as philosophy have an even less secure footing."
You couldn't of said it any better. To use cosmological and teological arguments for God's existence is to assume to much about the nature of what the universe is and what it was before the big bang if there was a "before." Furthermore to get a God you have to use probability logic of "fine tunity" and then make a special plead that it doesn't apply to God.
darkforce333 3 years ago
Clutchology: (continued) furthermore philosophy is very limited in the fact that it is based heavely on science and a philosophical model makes a lot of assumptions that cannot be proven. And then they turn the tables and tell me science makes a lot of assumptions. Well yea! But when has science been wrong? Philosophies come and go and often are unfasifiable. But yea, I used to believe you can prove God 100. I think a healthy dose of skepticism, even when it seems obvious, is good for all of us.
darkforce333 3 years ago
The only sure footing is truth. Truth is solid as a rock. Science and Universities also taught that the earth was flat in those days. But brave souls like Columbus ventured out and found out for themselves. This is what I have done.
biblethink 3 years ago
I would like to agree with you there, but I've seen too many people, to steal Az's term, fall into the abyss to say that truth is in and of itself a sure footing. To be sure you have truth is, however, a detrimental attitude to the search for truth.
Clutchology 3 years ago
As for your comparison to Columbus, they had cases strong enough to overturn unanimous consensuses. "I've heard God's voice" is not such a case. Because of the nature of this debate, I doubt any argument will be strong enough to assure anything other than a false sense of personal surety.
Clutchology 3 years ago
I agree with you about Columbus, and the analogy was meant to convey how I surrendered fully to Christ and he proved himself to me beyond any doubt. It is my testimony which can admissible in court for evidence. I have a link to a fuller version on my youtube page. Also, my wife was amazingly healed of 2 chronic illnesses (lupus and colitis) after a godly woman prayed over her 20 years ago. I know there is a God because I called on him and he answered. That can never be erased from my head.
biblethink 3 years ago
I've heard God's voice one time in my life and I know he is real. Unbelief is a trap. Anyone can fall into unbelief, but God requires that we believe.
biblethink 3 years ago
"Unbelief is a trap. Anyone can fall into unbelief, but God requires that we believe."
I'm sorry, but that just strikes me as vacuous rhetoric.
P.S. I have a friend who hears voices in his head too. We worry about him...
ACArticulate 3 years ago 2
"P.S. I have a friend who hears voices in his head too. We worry about him..."
Yea, I would worry about him too. This was not in my head though. And to do it justice I have a link on my youtube account page to the whole story. Basically, if you seek God with all your heart you will find him. That's what I did. It is not easy to give it ALL your heart, but I didn't hold anything back and he proved himself to me beyond any doubt.
biblethink 3 years ago
That is awesome dude. I just wonder why he chooses not to talk to me, or give me one little hint of his existence other than hearsay from people like yourself.
xrayman7040 3 years ago
I wouldn't say anything; an omniscient deity would know I'd consider myself a political prisoner, there'd be no need to vocalize my contempt :)
TETSUno1 3 years ago
50/50 chance to get it right.
Philosophically It doesn't matter to me.
CivilHuman 3 years ago
Oh yeah.... Great video man!
A different but similar perspective is always good to hear.
CivilHuman 3 years ago
Exactly!
sumfamousperson17 3 years ago
Most christians that use this line "what if you're wrong" also act as though they don't honestly believe in god, however they simply pay lip service to the idea, "just in case"..
Where is this clause in the bible that says one just needs to pretend?
thefakeyeti 3 years ago
Nicely done Clutch!
BethRN74 3 years ago
Right before I die, I'm going to say "I love God". That way, just in case I'm wrong, I can get into Heaven with a technicality, even after living a sinful life. Muahaha, I'm a genius!
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago 3
Secondly, Christians never ask if they can trust any God, including their own, if that God is willing to condemn a man to everlasting perdition for HONEST skepticism? If a God can condemn a man for candid doubt, then he doesn't value intellectual honesty, and therefore he might be DISHONEST himself. Hence, even believing Christians should be worried about their eternal fate, because a God that doesn't value honesty is certainly a God who can betray his most loyal followers on a whim.
alphacause 3 years ago
Clutchology, that explanation was simple and lucid. Of course, Christians never try to answer the question "what if they are wrong"? Christians never ask what if their God is not the true God, and it is instead Allah, or some other God that they haven't heard of, and what if that God also condemns them for non-belief? By Christians committing themselves to a particular interpretation of God, they open themselves up to being in error, and therefore share an equal probability of being damned.
alphacause 3 years ago
"Of course, Christians never try to answer the question "what if they are wrong"? Christians never ask what if their God is not the true God,"
You assume too much based on ignorance.
Agila1 3 years ago
Because of man's deep love of sin no one will come to God on their own. God has called ALL to repentance but none come on their own. So He must choose some and change them. "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."-Luke 5:33. "They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his CALLED, CHOSEN and faithful followers."-Rev 17:14. Read the Parable of the Wedding Banquet Matthew 22.
BOX5500 3 years ago
lol, even if there were burning bushes screaming at me I don't think I could believe in a god. I'd just think I'd gone bonkers. Sooner or later everyone dies. If that means that the fun begins or stops, well, I'd still hope I'd be happy with the way I've lived my life.
pickpock 3 years ago
When they say "What if you're wrong?" what they really mean is "What if I'm right?" because there are infinitely many ways in which you could be wrong--but so would the other person.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago 2
If I'm wrong and there is a god after all, then this is what the confrontation will look like as I predict:
God: Why didn't you believe in me, and what do you have to say for yourself?
JCLounon: You tell me.
JCLounon 3 years ago
Actually, not that I care what the Bible says, but does it in fact, anywhere in there state, "You will go to hell if you fail to believe in god?"
I think I want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster because Pastafarian heaven includes an eternal stripper factory and beer volcano.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago
Good to see you back, Clutch.
Like all of your videos, this one is rational, honest, simply-stated, and very compelling.
zebruh 3 years ago
religion is against reason.
good video.
tiby2403 3 years ago
Fuck religion.
XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.
aquamammal 3 years ago