One of your precious planet-saving light bulbs emitted a toxic cloud of smoke when it burned out. I'll buy light bulbs that don't kill me from now on, mmmmmk?
There are LED bulbs available. They come indifferent shades (colors) for different areas in your home. Yes, they're pricey...but they last 20 years or so. I saw this on TV a couple nights ago. But this is really a bigger issue...Big Brother is Watching!! Read Orwell's "1984." It's about 30 years later, but it's coming if we don't wake up.
@LindaFairbairn LEDs probably do last a long time but their light quality is crap. LEDs seem to be more suitable for bike lights or traffic lights. Not home lighting. Further more, if LEDs were that good, consumers outa be the ones to decide if they wana buy them or not. Incandescents give off nicer lights than both cfls and LEDs
@TheFishyNacho, you're basically asking people to keep wasting energy, like a typical Dittohead.
The total amount of mercury from CFLs is a tiny percentage of what's emitted by coal-fired plants, so don't pretend that mercury is your real concern. Being a greedy right-winger, you just need a ruse to put down anything that promotes conservation over gluttony.
Are you aware that mercury-free LED lighting is set to eclipse the CFL market? If LED lights are mandated, will you have the same gripe?
@Antithropocentric Very typical leaf eater. When someone disagrees with your views, you act childish and stoop to name calling. I love it. there is very little mercury in CFLs but you and I both know that most ppl will not take the time to properly recycle cfls. Hell even you moron greenies warn ppl that they should properly recycle these things. Since most ppl will not properly recycle them, all that "little mercury" will turn into one huge mess poluting our envioroment. Use your brain!
@Antithropocentric We've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart, so get off that BS. you tree huggers are always whinning about what the next person is doing. cfls dont last as long as you're told, they dont fit in all light fixtures of houses and their light quality is UGLY. I'm not using ugly light just because you wana live ur life being paranoid about everything. When u pay ppls bills, then u can tell them what bulbs to use. Until then, fuck off
@Antithropocentric you said in one of your posts "you're basically asking people to keep wasting energy, like a typical Dittohead." ......whats it to you how much energy people are using in THEIR house? Do i ask u how much energy you're using?? Of course not cuz its none of my business. Just like its none of your business how much energy the next person is using. Worry about how much energy YOU'RE using and quit being a little busy body. If i wana waste energy 24/7 in my house, i will.
Phony right-wing "concern" for mercury in CFLs is at odds with their constant attempts to cripple most pollution regulations, including mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants; a FAR bigger source than CFLs.
Right-wingers seem to despise the very idea of frugality and conservation. They see material gluttony as a sign of progress, and still hold the Manifest Destiny ideology of "go forth, multiply and subdue nature." They aren't happy unless they're pillaging resources vs. saving them.
Harvard University has put on record there is been no global increase in carbon dioxide over last two centuries: exactly as predicted by high school biology. Green plants metabolise carbon dioxide
Harvard University has also had a 15% increase in life on earth. But no increase of carbon dioxide in the air: as predicted by high school biology. Man can increase life on earth, only photosynthesis controls the level of carbon dioxide in the air
When you go down the road look at the car infront of you, no smoke is coming out of the tailpipe of car infront of you, that proves tailpipes are a left wing conspiracy put on cars by nancy polosi, jimmy carter, and illegal immigrant union member gay immigrant terrorists drug dealing commies. There is no such thing as pollution, the tv told me so.
The level of carbon dioxide in the air is controlled exclusively by photosynthesis. Which turns carbon dioxide into carbohydrates and excess oxygen. Man has not increased the level dimer carbon dioxide in the air over
@JonThm If this is the case, then why are there not only larger amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as years pass by, but also larger amounts of carbon dioxide in the oceans contributing to ocean acidification?
Green plants convert all the carbon dioxide from the air into new life on earth. There has been no increase in free carbon dioxide for last two centuries. There there has been an increase in crop yields of 15%
Photosynthesis consumes all the available carbon dioxide from the air. Mankind's carbon emissions have increased life on earth but not levels of carbon dioxide in the air
@JonThm That's not true. Some carbon dioxide enters into the atmosphere and becomes a part of the greenhouse effect; some carbon dioxide enters into the ocean and becomes a part of it, which becomes the main cause for ocean acidification (another environmental issue facing the world today). All the studies conducted recently show that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have increased. Whether they have been a significant impetus for global warming is another question.
Wow! I'm all for taking steps to protect the environment, but using those CFL light bulbs sounds like it is a threat to the environment, AND to our health!
Though I think we should all try to do our bit, it should be industry leading the way!
Using these CFLs sounds like a stupid thing to do, considering that America can make incandescent bulbs that will last for decades!
There is a documentary called The Light Bulb Conspiracy...check it out!
@Bongofury361 We've all heard about the mercury in CFL bulbs. The question, however, is how to dispose of the mercury in a safe, environmentally-friendly manner, and the thing is that there are ways to do so. The light bulbs themselves and other mercury-containing materials can actually be recycled in order to prevent the pollution of the environment. Also, there are LED (or whatever they were called) lightbulbs that can be just as environmentally safe, if not more.
@Bongofury361 And even if Congress or any other governing body hasn't really made the optimal decision by trying to push CFL bulbs (even though that the actual piece of legislation in question here was pushing to make incandescent light bulbs 25% more effiicient, not scrapping them entirely), they were doing a good job of at the very least addressing the issue and making it a priority at some level.
I am an environmental engineer. For over 20 years I worked for a "fortune 250" corporation in a position of "authority". Do you know that the entire planet COULD have been OFF the energy grid decades ago? There are MANY low cost energy systems that have been usurped by the wealthy in order to keep you "hooked up"? They crush new technologies that take you OFF their pipelines into your home.
In the beginning there was no "foolishness" regarding the environmental movement. Only after the fascists INFILTRATED those movements did they take a right turn. Now the biggest and most "in your face" environmental movements are actually RUN by fascist NWO criminals.
It is TOTALLY unfair to victimize those good people trying to save the planet by identifying them with those who want to subjugate the human race and make a profit off of those who REALLY care.
The so called environmentally friendly light bulbs are anything but. Why are they marketing them as environmentally friendly when they contain a ridiculous amount of mercury? There's a word for that it's called false advertising. Plus you have to admit Ted Poe has legitimate points. We have our resources that can use here. We should be making our own light bulbs and not importing more toxic products from China. We have the technology and resources so let's use them properly.
noreaga: Your vast vocabulary and spelling skills are overwhelmingly impressive. Yes, you are free to purchase the goods you desire, however those goods are regulated by the government. The government already tells you what to do, but that doesn't mean that everything they mandate is just. I am very well educated and I can assure you that my brain is large enough. For you, however, I am just not sure I can say the same.
@248girl1989 if you were so smart and educated like you say u were, u wouldnt believe in everything government tells u. Just in case u didn't know, America is the LAND OF THE FREE, not the land of the government. Government works for us. What they need to do is make more choices for Americans, (which they have) Not restricting consumer choice. Sure, you're vocabulary may be a bit better than mine, but you're still a moron for believing everything these idiot tree hugging government tells u.
@noreaga12326 "What they need to do is make more choices for Americans, (which they have) Not restricting consumer choice." ????? Congress needs to shut the fuck up & not make ANY choices for americans.
@248girl1989 next you're going to tell me that government should ban KFC, Mc. Donalds and Burger King because of the high number of over weight ppl we have. If there are people who like eating those foods, then who is government to tell them that they cant??? you and all your other leaf eating friends is what's wrong with this country. you are a bunch of busy bodies worrying about what the next person does. Do i worry about u do?? No.. Worry about how much energy YOU use. get lost now..commie
This Rep. is obviously set in his own ways and only cares about the economic impact of these lightbulbs. I own them and they are wonderful and not that much more expensive than the others. Energy prices are going nowhere but up so get used to it. People need to realize that if we don't change our ways and use conservation energy resources WE WON'T HAVE A PLANET. Then no one will be able to reap ANY benefits because we will not exist. Is that what you want? Start reading a little more people.
@248girl1989 so what you're saying is that incandescents are resposible for damaging the earth? how about all the toxic sh*t thats running through CFLS?? i think YOU need to wake up. i dont need government telling me how to live my life. I"m the guy paying for my bills so i'l decide if i wana use incandescents or cfls. you and your greenie friends are a bunch of busy bodies worrying about what the next person does. Worry about how much energy YOU use and mind your business.
@248girl1989 People like you want the world to live being paranoid about everything. Thanksfully, most americans are smart enough not to be stupid like u. I'm sure that you're one of those people who thinks that cfls will save the planet from warming up and melting the ice in the Artic circle. Grow a freaking brain. This is the land of the free. That means i'm free to use all the incandescents that i want. If u dont appreciate America's freedom, heres a suggestion... GET OUT
All these years fossil fuel was used by the "Developed" countries in Gas guzzling vehicles because it was economical for them ? Now the "developed countries" having -discovered- their mistakes want to protect the planet and [Y]OUR future generations ? The West thinks that every thing they preach is the BIBLE so everyone should heed? The spaniards were preaching BIBLE before vanquishing the INCA, so its unlikely the same tactic will work.
Ya that's just discouraging. All he's doing is complaining. If you want to change something, PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE!!! If our world was run by idiots like that, we would go absolutely nowhere. There are so many people who have so much they should learn.. unfortunately for the rest of us they're too pig-headed to do anything, and everyone gets to suffer together.
@Geoffgraham hes complaining about government thats way too much in everybodys shorts. So how do u expect him to be??America's freedom is being chipped away by moron hippies and greenies who are a bunch of paranoid nut jobs thinking that light bulbs are helping the planet to melt. The other think that i have against these so called "energy efficient bulbs" is their light quality. Their light quality is ugly and they dont even last as long as ur told. im not using shitty bulbs cuz its "efficient
@noreaga12326 look at the big picture, learn something, leaving out the specificity of the lightbulb : more energy efficient products = less energy use = less carbon emissions (from 'god bless america' supposedly the worlds greatest power yet the country with atleast 4 times the per capita carbon emissions than any other country) and here YOU are saying that youre concerned about the quality of your light??
@Geoffgraham the problem here is that ppl like u want everybody else to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. We are talking about a freaking light bulb for gods sake. Yes, i prefer to use nice lighting rather than ugly lighting. Unlike u, i cant help it if I have taste. if the world thought like u, we'd have to report to government for using our a/c. heaters, lights, when to go to the bathroom, etc etc.
@Geoffgraham i've said it plenty of times and i'l continue to say it as many times as nescessary, when you and your greenie friends chip in for my light bill, then maybe you can tell me how to light my house. Until then, i will continue to use whatever bulbs i like. You and your environmentalist friends are a bunch of paranoid little hippies and lib-tards always sticking ur noses in other ppls business. you worry about YOUR energy costs and i'l worry about mine.
Wow, who else has read the comments on this page and cringed? And to think that this vid has had over 1.7 million views! These are very important issues you know, especially when America has the biggest debt on record and is starting to crumble under its weight. Beautiful stuff America......
Any1 who thinks that humans are responsible for climate change, go seek some mental help. Since the beginning of time, the climate has, and always will go through changes and phases. Humans are NOT responsible for the change of the weather. If the weather was really warming up, we wouldnt have had record cold temperatures in Florida and snow in New Orleans. i cant help but to crack up at u paranoid little lib-tards who think that we're responsible for the melting of the ice in the Artic.
What does anyone hear think would happen if all of us threw off the dem/indie/repub and all started demanding them (the hill) to back it up everything they say with real numbers from the GAO... Forget the CBO if you like... I bet the bills would look much different and the talking points would go away. But until we can ALL do that, we will be lost and led astray by red herrings.. It's a sad world. None of our parents that worked hard would be proud... tsk tsk tsk
Any time a bill comes out like this, those types of directions are mandated. It's what our tax dollars go to in order to have a baseline of recommended protections. Too many bills have been filibustered by repubs that would change the "made in china" issue but that's where GE makes them. He should've jumped on the "Made in America" bill instead of voting against it... We need to get past politics and demand more from both sides. We pay in the end..
I challenge anyone to demonstrate who exactly lost their jobs because of the wider use of CFLs. If it's because American companies refused to make them when other countries like China did, that's not anybodies fault but the companies. I've go incandescent bulbs over 15 years old and they were made in Korea. So really, just shut the fuck up unless you can prove any of this crap.
WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE!!! Why do "we" allow ourselves to be focused on this non-issue while he and his friends are paid millions to sit on their butts and do nothing? I mean on BOTH sides of the isle... It's time for all of us to stop bickering over this dumb crap and focus on getting whoever you vote for to get off their butts and WORK... If we went to work everyday and did nothing but grandstand over the "little sh*t", we wouldn't have a job. We know they are not phasing them out so why argue?
@garrisb2000 you're right, this shouldnt even be an issue any more. In fact, this video is old and needs to be updated because there is no actual ban in light bulbs. the points that i was making is that government doesnt need to make descisions in everything we do. Theres comes a point where they need to back off.
@t3chk4 This is what happens when we elect liberals. They basically wana control everything we do. Next, they're gona wana ban Mc Donalds or Burger King because of all the over weight ppl we have. And the skinnier ppl wont be able to enjoy it cuz of these control freaks. These are the same type of morons who believe that humans are responsible for global warming. We need to be careful in who we elect to office so we can go back to living normal lives with more freedom and less government.
they say that cfls contain mercury and if one breaks or burns out you have to properly dispose them. How many people do you think are actually going to drive in their cars, waste gas money (which is expensive now a days) just to dispose them?? i guarentee you that most ppl will simply throw them in the garbage. which will lead to mercury polluting our water and earth. I am surprised that for wanting to have such a "clean enviornment", that you morons would promote mercury filled bulbs.
The fact that we have people like BradNYC, GentlemanThunder7 and StickedU living in this country is pretty scary. You 3 idiots seem to not enjoy freedom. Government definitely has a role in things we do. But not to tell us how we should light our homes. This light bulb "ban" will not stick. There are states that are reversing the ban. And by the way BradNYC, one of the states that wants to reverse the ban is New York. (Ann Marie Buerkle (R-New York). We need more freedom and less government
This is so great , well said GentlemanThunder and BradNYC. Nice job putting Noreaga in his place. I have been dealing with this Fox News fool for awhile. Its is nice having some backing. Great counterpoints, Win goes to you guys. The green message is .........winning.
@stickedU sounds to me like this is the 1st time you actually get back up. In other videos, most ppl think ur a nut case for believing such garbage that a cfl will save the planet. the only think you have accomplished on this debate is making more of a fool of yourself. the more u post to me, the more im convinced that you're a nut case. So please post more
This guy is an idiot. He didn't do his homework. He over-emphasizes a few things in the energy bill to make his point, but he neglects the fact that CFLs are only ONE alternative to the traditional incandescent bulb. The fact is, the bill creates incentives for other types of bulbs, such as LEDs, which consume even less energy than CFLs.
Extremists like this guy would dismantle government altogether. We call that anarchy. Who the hell elects idiots like this?
@BradNYC a bad law is still a bad law... maybe in NYC you like being told what you can do in your home... but the rest of the USA takes deep offence to the government dictating what we can and cannot use in our own homes.
@NMFarrier (1) When it comes to messages of "freedom" and "justice" and all of the things that I support as well, it's important to pick your battles on something important, not something as frivolous as what light bulbs are now going to be available in the store. (2) With that said, it's ridiculous to see how this said piece of legislation would be a bad one. A switch to greener energy for homes would be a win for everyone.
@GentlemanThunder7 you say "a switch to greener energy for homes would be a win for everyone". Thats only your opinion, and you're entitled to think that. The ban is the same thing as government coming into my house that I PAY FOR, telling me how to light my house. That will never happen. In fact, the ban is so stupid, 12 states already wana repeal the ban. Just because you want government telling u what to do, doesnt mean everyone else does.
@noreaga12326 Think about it though. What would you be fighting for? To pay MORE money on your electric bill? Just because the majority of the people want it doesn't necessarily mean that it's good for the nation and doesn't mean that the government will actually go forward with it. Also, what part of the Constitution or Supreme Court decision says that the government can't regulate the commerce? After all, we do have the commerce clause, right?
@GentlemanThunder7 i've used cfls b4 and so has many ppl that i know. they take a while to come to full brightness, (which uses energy) and most of them dont last as long as claimed. cfls have been proven to have false promises. theres a solution to save energy, even with incandescents. simply, turn the lights off when leaving the room. However, this video is old and u do realize that theres really no ban on light bulbs. They only require more efficiency in them which they already have
@NMFarrier (2, cont.) Greener energy would mean a smaller energy bill at the end of the day, so the consumers benefit. It would also conserve energy for government, meaning a conservation of prices, and give you everything that you need with equal quality that doesn't harm nature. Tell me why this is a bad law.
@noreaga12326 You're absolutely right. If they're going to suggest something to us, it should at least the same in quality. However, what if they are the same in quality? Also, do you know how much money buying greener light bulbs saves on your electric bill in comparison to how much you spend on the lightbulb(s) themselves? You would only pay like 11% of your electric bill.
@GentlemanThunder7 b4 i reply to your post, i just wana apologize to u for being a bit rough on my comments towards u. i just realized how young u are and i shouldnt have been nasty towards u. U say that "buying greener bulbs saves on electric bill" theres a couple of responses i'd like to make on that. 1) most cfls save u that much energy when u consider all the other electric components we use in our homes. That adds to ur electric bill.
@noreaga12326 (1) Let's paint a scenario: you have a home using standard light bulbs along with the other electric components, and you pay a price for the conglomeration of all of those electrical uses. When you change your home to greener light bulbs, you're paying for the electrical uses other than the light bulbs at a same rate and paying for light bulbs that use less energy than the ones you used to use. That would actually reduce your electric bill because you're using less energy per month
@noreaga12326 (2) Of course, there is when electric bills go up. We have to analyze why electric bills go up, for starters. Electric bills go up whenever there is a higher use of energy, such as the holidays or summer. If we switch to something that saves more energy, that would use less energy per home, and when we're talking about something that reduces your bill by about 89%, we can see that it's no small reduction in the energy used. That means that the bills wouldn't go up by much.
@GentlemanThunder7 you make pretty good points, however, i think i mentioned b4 on this video that i have no problem with saving energy. But if im gona use energy saving bulbs, the bulbs have to look good. I have not seen 1 cfl or led that offers nice quality light. The only good alternative i've seen so far are Halogens (energy efficient incandescents) also, cfls and leds dont work in all fixtures of ur home. most fixtures in ur home were specifically made for incandescents.
@noreaga12326 Again, that's your experience as a consumer. You should try to find other CFLs that work better, because mine work just fine. They give me just the amount of light I would need, and it saves me money. And even if some of them don't shine as bright, well...think about it. Would you rather have your house shining bright and paying a suffocating amount of money or would you rather have a house that has a reasonable amount of light while having money to:
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) go on that vacation you've always wanted to go on or buy that piece of jewelry for the wife/husband or put more money into a college fund for your children or even something small, like having money to go to a movie or a restaurant? I mean, throw away all of those possibilities just because the bulbs don't shine hysterically?
@GentlemanThunder7 listen young man, a few ppl have tried to get me to switch to cfls and im just not using them. to me, their lighting is horrible and even though cfls come in different shapes and colors, my experience is that they dont work in all fixtures and their light quality is not good. i like incandescents because of their warm and natural lighting. dont worry so much about how much money im spending on them. i dont mind spending more on good light quality
@GentlemanThunder7 i used the candelabra shaped cfls that barely worked. the bulb was so dim, i saw a lot of shadoes in my bathroom. i also used one that they tried to shape up like the old fashioned bulbs for my kitchen and that didnt work. when it burnt out. i also used the popular curly bulb for the lamp in my living room and that didnt even last a whole year. all those bulbs i got at CVS. however, i have incandescents that havent burnt out in 5 years.
@noreaga12326 (1) Well then, you should stop buying fluorescent bulbs at CVS maybe, or buy brands that are different than those. Then, there's the incandescent bulbs that haven't burned out in 5 years. Which ones were those? Were they ones you use often? Maybe you can look up reviews on fluorescent light bulbs that have been known to work or something. Also, there is the matter of how many people share this view. You say that a couple of people you know don't like them, but what about everyone?
@GentlemanThunder7 i appreciate your comments and respect them. However, as i said b4, u will never convince me to buy cfls or leds. their light quality is harsh and ugly and unless they really improve on their looks (which i doubt) im sticking with incandescent bulbs. they've been around for over 100 years so theres no need to complain about them now.
@noreaga12326 Well that's pretty much the reason why the Congressional body is even meeting up at all or considering this bill. There are people in the country who just don't want to make a change in their lifestyles, so the government's going to have to provide an incentive to buy greener light bulbs while, at the same time, placing normal light bulbs at higher standards. They DO reserve the right to do that under the Commerce and Elastic Clauses.
@GentlemanThunder7 u said "there are people in the country who just dont want to make change in their lifestyles." In the great USA, most ppl dont need anybody telling them what life style to live. As i stated in my earlier posts, the ban is so crazy that several states are repealing it. Do more research for yourself and check it out. Just because you and the green terrorists think that cfls and leds will save the planet doesnt mean other ppl do. Most ppl arent just that stupid.
@noreaga12326 Well, let me respond in the following way: (1) The government is indirectly changing your lifestyle by creating higher standards for incandescent light bulbs and creating incentives for greener light bulbs. A direct way would be to penalize you or something for buying standard bulbs. There's no real "ban," but higher standards for the light bulbs that already exist. Banning things from the market is all part of regulation of commerce, a power granted to the Constitution.
@GentlemanThunder7 Listen dude, no matter what you say, i refuse to join your green party. As i told u and BRADNYC b4, i dont care how "efficient" LEDs or CFLs are. if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them. End of story. I'm not using shitty light just cuz you greenies claim "it will save the planet" or "stop the melting of the ice in the north pole. Again, most ppl are not that stupid, Sorry to break this to u but im not that paranoid.
@noreaga12326 (1) I'll say it again. No one is getting rid of standard light bulbs. The bill that was passed was just placing the bulbs at higher standards for more efficiency. It's an adjustment to the regulations of commerce, which is an action protected by the Commerce Clause of the American Constitution. Unless, of course, you can inform me of a Supreme Court decision that said something like this was wrong, the Congress reserves the right to do this as far as I'm concerned.
@noreaga12326 (2) Then, there's the question as to where that statistic about 72% of people not supporting the ban came from. Also, the people aren't always aware as to what is really good for the nation and what is constitutional. Even if the majority really don't support the regulation of light bulbs, it doesn't mean it's what's best for the nation. When it comes to 12 states, that's not even an overwhelming majority of states either. Where does this information come from?
@noreaga12326 (3) As far as your idea of a "nanny state," as you call it, is concerned, that's a philosophical arguement between conservatism and liberalism. Sure, they're not paying the light bill nor the mortgage, but they're providing the services for you, which is why you even pay taxes at all. Why even bring up that argument either when the government is actually trying to REDUCE your bills as well? Other than that, though, the philosophy is a bit irrelevant.
@noreaga12326 (4) You also have to be aware that we live in an indirect form of democracy. The people can provide a voice and a push, but at the end of the day, the decision rests in the government. The government has to do what is in the best interest of the nation as predetermined by the government itself and do so in order to better it (considering that the people don't always know what's best for the nation).
@GentlemanThunder7 i already mentioned that government does have SOME role in the way we live. Sure, some laws need to be in place for us to live a better life.I agree that drugs should be illegal and that we shouldnt drive on the wrong side of the road because others can get injured or killed.But the government is crossing the line into telling us what bulbs we can use. The problem that i really have is you and your nut job greenies wanting to control everything we do. Its just not happening
@GentlemanThunder7 let me make this clearer for you. You can rant on all you want on your BELIEFS on why we should use """greener bulbs""". But at the end of the day, I'm paying for my light bill, so i will decide how to light my house. And yes, incandescents are a bit more expensive to use, but some of us LIKE ME can afford it. So its not up to u, or government to tell me how much "energy" i can use or waste or how much money i can spend. Worry about the energy YOU use and mind your business
@noreaga12326 (1) When it comes to the government telling you what light bulbs to use and not use, that's also a philosophical question and values argument. Let me reiterate once again: the government has the right to regulate commerce under the Commerce Clause, which is what is most directly related to the argument at hand. The supply of light bulbs is part of the commerce, so government has the right to regulate it as such. The government also has jurisdiction over energy.
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) The United States Department of Energy was established in 1977 under the Carter administration. They're the cabinet with the jurisdiction to regulate energy and work toward energy conservation. So, not only does the federal government have the right over commerce, but it also has the right over energy, not only because it has jurisdiction over it, but also because, in a way, it's also part of commerce. You may pay your electric bills, sure.
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) But you're using something that the government has every right of control to. Now that we have that out of the way, the question falls into an "ought" argument; it turns into a question more of morality. That is what you are trying to argue. So essentially, the essential question rests in the following wording: Ought the government regulate standard light bulbs? (2) For one thing, you're arguing the wrong thing. I explained the bill in question to you:
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) The bill in question is not banning any kind of light bulbs. As I said before, they're placing standard light bulbs at a higher standard and providing incentives to spur the American community toward buying greener light bulbs. As far as the right to personal choice goes, it's not violated because no one is taking choices away. You, however, go on and on about personal choice and the government not having any kind of control over that. You're still arguing over banning.
@GentlemanThunder7 (continued) No matter how much energy you THINK you're saving. youi're not. The lighting company will always raise their rates. And other things we use in our homes contribute to energy usage in our homes. The incandescent only plays a small part of it. Heres a lesson from an older man, to a young kid such as urself. Just cuz the government tells u something is good, doesnt always mean it is. In life, you have to think for yourself and understand whats good for YOU.
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) This a fallacy that you and Representative Ted Poe (R-TX) alike are exercising: a strawman fallacy. You're arguing a misinterpreted, oversimplified argument, but not the real thing. (3) With that said, we really should look at the effects of such a bill: the main thing is that it's saving money and helping the community toward a greener future. The other thing is that it's not really hurting anybody significantly, which is why this bill is moral.
@GentlemanThunder7 Please pay close attention. Once again, CFLs are full of toxic mercury which means that since MOST ppl will not properly recycle them when they burn out. That will lead to toxic mecury into our landfills and waters. So how do u figure thats good for the enviorment??? you also said that "even though im paying my bill, government still has every right to control to" ?? How do u figure that?? If i wana burn my incandescent 24/7, how do u figure hes gona control that??
@noreaga12326 (1) Well, if you know that standard light bulbs aren't really being phased out, why are you still arguing about it being your right to choose whatever light bulbs you want to put in your house? You ARE arguing this bill, aren't you not? That's what I thought we've been arguing about this entire time. If you want to decide what light bulbs to put in your house, hey, more power to you. That's not being remotely harmed in any way because that's not what the bill is proposing.
@noreaga12326 (2) You say that toxic mercury is in these CFLs. For one thing, how much mercury is in these lightbulbs? Is it enough to be harmful to the environment? For another thing, are CFLs the only type of greener light bulbs there are out there? (3) Again, the right to make such a change in regulation of light bulbs is enumerated in the Commerce Clause. Light bulbs and regulation of materials is part of commerce, so, the government constitutionally has the right to make changes as such.
@noreaga12326 (3, cont.) Also, there is a cabinet-level department, the Department of Energy, that is responsible for carrying out any changes to the policies of government. The government has jurisdiction over the use of energy. (4) The part about living your own lifestyle freely also falls into a question of morality. The same thing could be said by a drug addict or something who says that they don't want government telling them what to do on how to live their lives either.
@noreaga12326 (4, cont.) We're doing the same thing to them: the government is telling them what they can't and can do in their lifestyle by saying that drugs are illegal. You totally support making laws against drugs, but at that point, you're supporting the thing you don't want government to do to you. At what point can the government tell people how to live their lifestyles based on something like light bulbs and drug use? They're doing the exact same thing, and this IS the land of the free.
@GentlemanThunder7 Over 100 years we've used these "ineffieicnt" bulbs and the planet didnt melt and we still had plany of wild life living. U do realize that thanks to Obama and government, many, many ppl who worked for the company that made these so called "inefficient bulbs" are now out of work. You believe that energy efficient bulbs will save the planet. More power to u too. But to me, this green BS is a scam.if u dont think it is, then take a look at all the ppl who agree with mr. Poe
@noreaga12326 The world is a pretty big place, you know, and it takes a lot to screw it up. It would take more time than 100 years of standard light bulbs, along with water and air pollution, other greenhouse gases, and other elements that will bring us slowly more toward our own grave (Tell me why you think this is all a scam, by the way). Where did you find out that these energy standards have left people unemployed? Could you give me the name of the article?
@GentlemanThunder7 I'l look for the video and get back to u. The one im referring to I believe was a GE company in Virginia that made incandescent bulbs. Because Obama and his staff don't think b4 they act, all those people are laid off since obama decided to shut down the lighting company. Incandescents will not bring up toward our grave. That is what YOU believe. And you're entitled. Next, you're gona tell me that we should ban buses and trains cuz they polute the environment?
@noreaga12326 (1) You didn't respond to some of my questions. You continue telling me that government should have a voice in some things, but they shouldn't dictate some other things in lifestyle. However, the last time, I asked: At what point shouldn't the government dictate lifestyle? You also didn't respond to the question about why these things about world pollution and such is all nonsense to you. (2) Why is the policy inefficient?
@GentlemanThunder7 i've answered ur questions already. Government doesnt need to tell ppl how to light their homes. Thats like government telling me when i should take a shit, or what i should or shouldnt eat. When i mentioned trains and buses that so called "pollute" the air, mayb so but how else would ppl like me who live in new york city get to work in the morning. Not everyone can afford cars and not everyone wants to ride bikes to work.
@noreaga12326 (1) And I'LL say it for the 150th time: that's not the question I asked. I'm asking you at what point should government not interfere with the affairs of lifestyle, and you keep telling me that the government doesn't need to interfere in some things. What common characteristic about the "some things" do these things have in common that makes them illegible for regulation by the hand of government. What's the difference between controlling drug use and light bulb use?
@GentlemanThunder7 figure it out for yourself young man.We're not living in a "Nanny State" Just in case u forgot, this is the United States Of America. aka The Land Of The Free. Drug use attracts negativity. Incandescents doesnt. This is all about Politics and beliefs. You have YOUR beliefs and i have mine. U can rant on all u want. I refuse to join in on the green party. which is why , i've stocked up on old skool bulbs. as i said b4, u have a lot to learn little boy. Buzz off now.
@noreaga12326 This is what's really funny. You're trying to subordinate me here because of my age. You're trying to make it seem that because I'm any younger by whoever many years than you, that automatically means that I know much less than you do. Adults can be stupid, and children can be stupid. Just because you're any older than I am doesn't mean that you're necessarily any smarter than I am, and from what I've seen in this argument so far, your counterattacks fail to meet my criteria.
@GentlemanThunder7 Just because u dont know any better doesnt make u stupid. You cant help yourself, you're only 17. But i do know that someone fed you all this green BS into ur head. Not that you necessarily mentioned it to me but I have a feeling that you think that humans are responsible for climate change. When you start saying or thinking things like that, then yes, that makes u stupid. No matter how old u are. Even at 17, you should know better than that. One day, u will learn buddy
@noreaga12326 Well your side of this "silly debate" as you call it is deficient of reasoning as well as solid answers to the questions that I've made. For starters, you keep going back to this idea that government is somehow dictating what light bulbs you can and can't use in your home when they're just placing higher standards on the light bulbs that you already use and are not trying in any way to hinder your choices, even though they have the right to do so indirectly by the Commerce Clause.
@GentlemanThunder7 The only response that u'l get out of your last post is that THEY DO NOT have the right to tell me anything. U can say whatever u want about the "Commerce Clause" and I SAY, the hell with it. I will burn incandescents 24 hours a day if thats what i choose to do. The fact that you're so brained washed into this "green" scam is very sad. This is the land of the free. Whats the point in having freedom when govenmrnet is gona keep teling us how to live out lives. You are a moron
@noreaga12326 You go on and on about how this is America, but just said to hell with a segment from the Constitution (the representative, foundational document of the United States)? And ONCE AGAIN, no one is forcing you to do anything. The fact that you also don't provide any evidence as to why you think this is also a scam shows the little information you have to back your statements up. I think YOU'RE the moron...and a hypocrite for spitting at the Constitution.
@GentlemanThunder7 Look here little boy. Dont act like a mr. know it all because you're a young little kid who knows nothing. Also, you know nothing but THE REAL WORLD because your mommy and daddy are still taking care of you. i already told u the reasons why i think this going green jive is a scam. After looking at ur utube profile, i can see why people find you very annoying. Get off utube and go play in the sand box with ur friends. Tree huggers like u are severly brain damged.
@noreaga12326 When you spit at the Constitution and say you support American ideals, I don't think you're any position to say that anyone knows nothing. You didn't say anything about how the going green jive is a scam at all, just reiterated the fact that you don't believe that it's anything legitimate and told me about how you were going to burn incandescents all day. The only thing you did say is how climate is changing all the time, and I think I asked you questions you didn't answer to.
@noreaga12326 Well, before I go play in the sandbox and let you to think about the mass knowledge you obviously have about the Constitution, let's just take a quick summary of everything you said and argued:
@noreaga12326 (1) What we're mainly talking about in this argument we've had, as I've mentioned beforehand, is the adoption of this bill which states that the government will place light bulbs at higher standards in order to improve their efficiency and provide incentives for people to buy greener bulbs. Despite the feelings of light bulb companies, it's a pretty innocuous bill to say the most. What's the problem with you argument?
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) You keep going on and on about how much you don't want government interfering in your life. You keep saying that you will never change the kinds of light bulbs you use and you stocked up and everything. However, that's not what we're arguing. What we're arguing is the passing of this bill. Anything you said about you not switching is extratopical and irrelevant.
@noreaga12326 (2) One of the questions I made was how do we know when government is interfering too much. You did say that drug abuse would bring negative effects to the society, so I'm guessing that was your logic about when government is interfering in a reasonable manner: if its prevention will stop negative effects, then it is safe to be regulated as such by government. So, all I would have to prove is that light bulb use would cause significant negative effects, as I have explained before.
@noreaga12326 (3) You brought up the idea that the climate is always changing natural. The question however would be how often does the climate change naturally in entirety, and how do you prove that this particular climate change we speak of now is just another routine climate change?
@GentlemanThunder7 Dude u talk too much. I"m gona make this very easy for you to understand so that we can end this once and for all. You don't understand simply because i'm sure that somebody is still taking care of u and paying your bills. I have an apartment that i bought and once again I AM PAYING FOR MY LIGHT BILL. The government isnt. I AM. ARE U FOLLOWING ME SO FAR? Since i'm the guy paying for my bill, I will decide how much energy i can use or what bulbs i can use. Get lost now. thanks
@noreaga12326 How could I not understand that when that's the only thing you've been saying this whole time? "I pay for my bills. I pay for my bills." I gave you the Constitutional reason why the government has a right to regulate light bulbs and I'm asking you several questions about your position, but this is all that you keep coming back to. I mean, either you don't understand English or you're just avoiding my arguments whether or not you can argue them.
@GentlemanThunder7 From the way u post about the government COULD do this and how HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS, you really are an ungrateful little twerp. People like you dont deserve any kind of freedom. i honestly think u'd be much happier in a country like Cuba. Theres no freedom on that island. Before you were even born, this country was doing great until you moron environmentalists came along thinking u know everything.
@noreaga12326 The funny thing is that the more that you insult me and bring up my age whenever I make a statement, the more that you seem like the child than I do. You could try to knock down my arguments or say something wiser that I could, but instead, you throw a temper tantrum and don't say anything of real intellectual value to counter me. I explain about the Commerce Clause and ask questions, what you respond to me is that I'm a twerp and I should live in Cuba.
@noreaga12326 Not to mention the funniest aspect where you literally spit at the Constitution. I mean, it's really funny when you're trying to support American ideals, but then spit at the very document that is supposed to represent our country in its entirety. You know, you should be the one to buzz off for a little before and then try to come back and argue against me. It sounds like you need a nap and a blankie before you could even think about making an argument against me.
@GentlemanThunder7 dude nobody gives a shit what u gota say anymore. by now, i already know that you're not happy living in the US and having freedom. keep ranting on all u want. ur only pissed off cuz i think ur a moron for thinking that government is right about everything. u talk too much little boy and nobody even cares. stick with ur toxic cfls and i'l stick with my incandescents. get off the computer and watch sesame street little boy
@GentlemanThunder7 try and come back to argue with u?ur a little kid and it would be pointless to even have a DISCUSSION with u cuz u dont know shit, junior. i dont care what u gota say. All i know is that ur a moron for thinking that the US shouldnt be free. ur obviously an angry little boy because most ppl on this panal disagrees with ur views. You shouldnt even be in this discussion simply because your mommy and daddy and paying your bills. Go play in the sandbox with your friends now
@noreaga12326 ......is that all you can do is call him a little boy, you really lost the debate you dumbass, I love seeing you cry and whine about your lost debate. Get over it , you suck and are a minority. The country will re-elect Obama and OLD light bulbs will be banned , get used to it. AMERICA IS SOCIALIST . U are the one who needs to leave the country dumbfuck. HAHAHAHA
@stickedU 1st off,.. you're a whiney little girl who seeks attention. the posts u leave in other light bulb videos proves how much of an idiot u are.so please keep posting more idiotic things so i can laugh at u more. YOU'RE the one crying and whinning because most ppl are not falling for your green scams. I have enough light bulbs to last me a life time. So the joke is really on YOU. Why do u continue to cry and pout about the same debate?? Get over it already. watching u suffer pleasures me
@noreaga12326 First off.... all U can do is call names because U are very simple minded. Nobody is crying except U. Everyone on this video and many other videos have beaten U soundly in debate, so all U can do is resort to name calling. How old are U? 10? I bet U ride a bike...pssh pshhh stupid little boy.
@stickedU the proof speaks for itself in all the other light bulb videos that u've commented on. Instead of worrying about yourself, you worry about how others live their lives. that proves to everybody how insecure and paranoid you are. You are a typical liberal. When somebody disagrees with your views you whine, cry and pout. I love how easily i can get u upset. Me and MANY others have stocked up on old bulbs. I bet that makes u mad huh? I love making u angry. go seek some mental help now
@noreaga12326 U are the only one mad here. Its fun for me to see U comment on all these vids and whine about the light bulb ban. I enjoy see freaks like U who cannot move on and change with the times. I just love pushing your buttons when I am bored on here. In the end you lose
@stickedU i love it.. ur repeating just what i told u cuz thats all u can do. u telling me that i act like im 10?? what kinda of come back is " i bet u ride a bike" ur almost 30 yrs old and u post like a 3rd grader. why are u complainining about me calling u names. u do it to everyone else. Does it hurt your feelings?? I'm sorry, next time i'l consider ur feelings more so that i dont make u cry again. the more u respond, the more im convinced that i've pissed u off. Please post more angry girl
@GentlemanThunder7 we both agree that light bulbs are not being banned. But understand one thing. Even IF government were to ban them 100%, many people will stock up on them and use them anyway. So the ban or as you like to put it, "THE EFFICIENCY STANDARD" isnt gona mean anything because many ppl will be using them anyway. Is that clear enough for u?? Its amazing how a kid like u (whos only lived 17 yrs on this planet) thinks u know it all. dont post back to me anymore until u get mental help
@GentlemanThunder7 On the same token GT7.. Can you prove that this 'climate change' is due to humans? (Not the Humans messing with the empirical data.. the humans that are creating CO2.)
@D34thSetX Well, when it comes to the empirical data that I present, you may have to prove to me that my empirical evidence is right or wrong based on its credibility. I have facts about global warming and showing how climate change can indeed be influenced by the human hand, but in order to disprove the evidence, you're going to have to disprove the source. Would you like me to explain what I've got?
@GentlemanThunder7 Facts that you have not show, but yes. I would like you to post up sources that you have so I can attempt to discredit them. That is if they haven't already been massively discredited already. Although, I find it rather amusing that so called environmentalists like yourself don't fathom that something that is living can change.
@GentlemanThunder7 u call this an "argument?" I call it a silly debate. We already know that incandescents will not be phased out, at least not 100%. So why go on about it?? Most ppl like me are not paranoid about the envriornment like you are. as i said, we've used incandescent bulbs for over 100 yrs and the world didnt end. So quit whinning about it. And quit worrying about how much energy me and others are using. If i wana burn incandescents 24/7, then i'l do so. good night paranoid boy.
@GentlemanThunder7 As far as global warming, the climate has ALWAYS been changing since the beginning of time. The earth goes through phases where it gets hot, and when it gets cool. Humans are not responsible for the changing ot the climate. Even if we used only "energy saving bulbs, it has zero affect on the climate. If u really think that we can control the climate, then you young man, need to check urself into a mental institution. who ever fed this green BS to u really brained washed u.
@GentlemanThunder7 I never said anything about policy being inefficient. I said that most of the inefficient bulbs that are being banned is not gona be effective because many ppl will be using whatever they stocked up on. Next ur gona tell me that humans are responsible for climate change. Most ppl do not have these crazy beliefs like YOU and the other moron greenies out there. For the last time, you just worry about how much energy you're saving. Stop being paranoid. You're a bit annoying now.
@GentlemanThunder7 So i guess we'l be stuck riding bikes to work and school cuz these buses and trains are so "harmful" to the planet. Do u get what im saying?? i'm gona say it for the 150th time. Government does have some roles in what we do and there are some laws that are reasonable. But a light bulb ban or should i say "efficiency standard" is stupid. The "inefficient" incandescents that are going, many ppl have stocked up on and will be using them. the so called "ban" is ineffective
@noreaga12326 (5) From the way I see it, if I were to attain this attitude that I should just stop caring about how much people are damaging the environment, it'd not only be letting everyone on the planet down, but also myself down because I'd be part of the global crowd who suffers from this habit of conspicuous consumption that so many people have. Even if I were to just leave people alone about this, at the point where it can harm me with the attitude you suppose, it's going to be my problem
One of your precious planet-saving light bulbs emitted a toxic cloud of smoke when it burned out. I'll buy light bulbs that don't kill me from now on, mmmmmk?
GiacomoKnox 2 days ago
There are LED bulbs available. They come indifferent shades (colors) for different areas in your home. Yes, they're pricey...but they last 20 years or so. I saw this on TV a couple nights ago. But this is really a bigger issue...Big Brother is Watching!! Read Orwell's "1984." It's about 30 years later, but it's coming if we don't wake up.
LindaFairbairn 1 month ago
@LindaFairbairn LEDs probably do last a long time but their light quality is crap. LEDs seem to be more suitable for bike lights or traffic lights. Not home lighting. Further more, if LEDs were that good, consumers outa be the ones to decide if they wana buy them or not. Incandescents give off nicer lights than both cfls and LEDs
noreaga12326 1 month ago in playlist Political
@TheFishyNacho Keep stocking up on incandescents like im doing. these moron greenies wana intrude in other ppls lives.
noreaga12326 2 months ago in playlist Political
@TheFishyNacho, you're basically asking people to keep wasting energy, like a typical Dittohead.
The total amount of mercury from CFLs is a tiny percentage of what's emitted by coal-fired plants, so don't pretend that mercury is your real concern. Being a greedy right-winger, you just need a ruse to put down anything that promotes conservation over gluttony.
Are you aware that mercury-free LED lighting is set to eclipse the CFL market? If LED lights are mandated, will you have the same gripe?
Antithropocentric 2 months ago
@Antithropocentric Very typical leaf eater. When someone disagrees with your views, you act childish and stoop to name calling. I love it. there is very little mercury in CFLs but you and I both know that most ppl will not take the time to properly recycle cfls. Hell even you moron greenies warn ppl that they should properly recycle these things. Since most ppl will not properly recycle them, all that "little mercury" will turn into one huge mess poluting our envioroment. Use your brain!
noreaga12326 2 months ago in playlist Political
@Antithropocentric We've been using incandescents for over 100 years and the planet didnt fall apart, so get off that BS. you tree huggers are always whinning about what the next person is doing. cfls dont last as long as you're told, they dont fit in all light fixtures of houses and their light quality is UGLY. I'm not using ugly light just because you wana live ur life being paranoid about everything. When u pay ppls bills, then u can tell them what bulbs to use. Until then, fuck off
noreaga12326 2 months ago in playlist Political
@Antithropocentric you said in one of your posts "you're basically asking people to keep wasting energy, like a typical Dittohead." ......whats it to you how much energy people are using in THEIR house? Do i ask u how much energy you're using?? Of course not cuz its none of my business. Just like its none of your business how much energy the next person is using. Worry about how much energy YOU'RE using and quit being a little busy body. If i wana waste energy 24/7 in my house, i will.
noreaga12326 2 months ago in playlist Political
Phony right-wing "concern" for mercury in CFLs is at odds with their constant attempts to cripple most pollution regulations, including mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants; a FAR bigger source than CFLs.
Right-wingers seem to despise the very idea of frugality and conservation. They see material gluttony as a sign of progress, and still hold the Manifest Destiny ideology of "go forth, multiply and subdue nature." They aren't happy unless they're pillaging resources vs. saving them.
Antithropocentric 2 months ago
The turbulent flow of steam does molecular nuclear fusion from water
JonThm 2 months ago
Harvard University has put on record there is been no global increase in carbon dioxide over last two centuries: exactly as predicted by high school biology. Green plants metabolise carbon dioxide
JonThm 3 months ago
Harvard University has also had a 15% increase in life on earth. But no increase of carbon dioxide in the air: as predicted by high school biology. Man can increase life on earth, only photosynthesis controls the level of carbon dioxide in the air
JonThm 3 months ago
When you go down the road look at the car infront of you, no smoke is coming out of the tailpipe of car infront of you, that proves tailpipes are a left wing conspiracy put on cars by nancy polosi, jimmy carter, and illegal immigrant union member gay immigrant terrorists drug dealing commies. There is no such thing as pollution, the tv told me so.
chuck3377 3 months ago
The level of carbon dioxide in the air is controlled exclusively by photosynthesis. Which turns carbon dioxide into carbohydrates and excess oxygen. Man has not increased the level dimer carbon dioxide in the air over
JonThm 3 months ago
@JonThm If this is the case, then why are there not only larger amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as years pass by, but also larger amounts of carbon dioxide in the oceans contributing to ocean acidification?
ScarletGhost4356 3 months ago
Green plants convert all the carbon dioxide from the air into new life on earth. There has been no increase in free carbon dioxide for last two centuries. There there has been an increase in crop yields of 15%
JonThm 3 months ago
Photosynthesis consumes all the available carbon dioxide from the air. Mankind's carbon emissions have increased life on earth but not levels of carbon dioxide in the air
JonThm 3 months ago
@JonThm That's not true. Some carbon dioxide enters into the atmosphere and becomes a part of the greenhouse effect; some carbon dioxide enters into the ocean and becomes a part of it, which becomes the main cause for ocean acidification (another environmental issue facing the world today). All the studies conducted recently show that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have increased. Whether they have been a significant impetus for global warming is another question.
ScarletGhost4356 3 months ago
That Pic of Bush water boarding the statue of Liberty made me LOL...
bigdav123456 3 months ago
Wow! I'm all for taking steps to protect the environment, but using those CFL light bulbs sounds like it is a threat to the environment, AND to our health!
Though I think we should all try to do our bit, it should be industry leading the way!
Using these CFLs sounds like a stupid thing to do, considering that America can make incandescent bulbs that will last for decades!
There is a documentary called The Light Bulb Conspiracy...check it out!
I think Canada is pushing for the same bullshit!
Bongofury361 3 months ago
@Bongofury361 We've all heard about the mercury in CFL bulbs. The question, however, is how to dispose of the mercury in a safe, environmentally-friendly manner, and the thing is that there are ways to do so. The light bulbs themselves and other mercury-containing materials can actually be recycled in order to prevent the pollution of the environment. Also, there are LED (or whatever they were called) lightbulbs that can be just as environmentally safe, if not more.
ScarletGhost4356 3 months ago
@Bongofury361 And even if Congress or any other governing body hasn't really made the optimal decision by trying to push CFL bulbs (even though that the actual piece of legislation in question here was pushing to make incandescent light bulbs 25% more effiicient, not scrapping them entirely), they were doing a good job of at the very least addressing the issue and making it a priority at some level.
ScarletGhost4356 3 months ago
I am an environmental engineer. For over 20 years I worked for a "fortune 250" corporation in a position of "authority". Do you know that the entire planet COULD have been OFF the energy grid decades ago? There are MANY low cost energy systems that have been usurped by the wealthy in order to keep you "hooked up"? They crush new technologies that take you OFF their pipelines into your home.
The reason SHOULD be obvious. Need I go on?
t4705mb6 3 months ago
In the beginning there was no "foolishness" regarding the environmental movement. Only after the fascists INFILTRATED those movements did they take a right turn. Now the biggest and most "in your face" environmental movements are actually RUN by fascist NWO criminals.
It is TOTALLY unfair to victimize those good people trying to save the planet by identifying them with those who want to subjugate the human race and make a profit off of those who REALLY care.
Investigate GREEN PEACE!
t4705mb6 3 months ago
The so called environmentally friendly light bulbs are anything but. Why are they marketing them as environmentally friendly when they contain a ridiculous amount of mercury? There's a word for that it's called false advertising. Plus you have to admit Ted Poe has legitimate points. We have our resources that can use here. We should be making our own light bulbs and not importing more toxic products from China. We have the technology and resources so let's use them properly.
CUSTERM16A2 3 months ago
buy outside the U.S.
BeantownJim 3 months ago
Criminal Politicians Raping America
Hang em High
Bail Outs are Treason
DeadJesus100 3 months ago
noreaga: Your vast vocabulary and spelling skills are overwhelmingly impressive. Yes, you are free to purchase the goods you desire, however those goods are regulated by the government. The government already tells you what to do, but that doesn't mean that everything they mandate is just. I am very well educated and I can assure you that my brain is large enough. For you, however, I am just not sure I can say the same.
248girl1989 4 months ago
@248girl1989 if you were so smart and educated like you say u were, u wouldnt believe in everything government tells u. Just in case u didn't know, America is the LAND OF THE FREE, not the land of the government. Government works for us. What they need to do is make more choices for Americans, (which they have) Not restricting consumer choice. Sure, you're vocabulary may be a bit better than mine, but you're still a moron for believing everything these idiot tree hugging government tells u.
noreaga12326 4 months ago in playlist Political 2
@noreaga12326 "What they need to do is make more choices for Americans, (which they have) Not restricting consumer choice." ????? Congress needs to shut the fuck up & not make ANY choices for americans.
ed11561 3 months ago
@ed11561 you are absolutely right!
noreaga12326 3 months ago in playlist Political
@248girl1989 next you're going to tell me that government should ban KFC, Mc. Donalds and Burger King because of the high number of over weight ppl we have. If there are people who like eating those foods, then who is government to tell them that they cant??? you and all your other leaf eating friends is what's wrong with this country. you are a bunch of busy bodies worrying about what the next person does. Do i worry about u do?? No.. Worry about how much energy YOU use. get lost now..commie
noreaga12326 4 months ago in playlist Political
This Rep. is obviously set in his own ways and only cares about the economic impact of these lightbulbs. I own them and they are wonderful and not that much more expensive than the others. Energy prices are going nowhere but up so get used to it. People need to realize that if we don't change our ways and use conservation energy resources WE WON'T HAVE A PLANET. Then no one will be able to reap ANY benefits because we will not exist. Is that what you want? Start reading a little more people.
248girl1989 4 months ago
@248girl1989 so what you're saying is that incandescents are resposible for damaging the earth? how about all the toxic sh*t thats running through CFLS?? i think YOU need to wake up. i dont need government telling me how to live my life. I"m the guy paying for my bills so i'l decide if i wana use incandescents or cfls. you and your greenie friends are a bunch of busy bodies worrying about what the next person does. Worry about how much energy YOU use and mind your business.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@248girl1989 People like you want the world to live being paranoid about everything. Thanksfully, most americans are smart enough not to be stupid like u. I'm sure that you're one of those people who thinks that cfls will save the planet from warming up and melting the ice in the Artic circle. Grow a freaking brain. This is the land of the free. That means i'm free to use all the incandescents that i want. If u dont appreciate America's freedom, heres a suggestion... GET OUT
noreaga12326 4 months ago
OUR Grand children ? Oooh How concerned !!
Aren't you Businessmen really speaking about [Y]OUR Grand children?
You devise ways to drain our wallet and save the planet
We devise ways to FUCK YOUR PLANET and SAVE OUR WALLET !
usr027 5 months ago
All these years fossil fuel was used by the "Developed" countries in Gas guzzling vehicles because it was economical for them ? Now the "developed countries" having -discovered- their mistakes want to protect the planet and [Y]OUR future generations ? The West thinks that every thing they preach is the BIBLE so everyone should heed? The spaniards were preaching BIBLE before vanquishing the INCA, so its unlikely the same tactic will work.
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Fuck the planet Save the Wallet !
usr027 5 months ago
What a DA. Ted Poe's own President signed it into law.
wil19482009 5 months ago
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Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.
President Bush, a Republican, signed it into law on December 19, 2007
wil19482009 5 months ago
Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. President Bush, a Republican, signed it into law on December 19, 2007
wil19482009 5 months ago
Ugnh, this AGW denial makes me sick
MomSaysImCool 5 months ago
HAIKU
I hatch! Crawl! And swim!
Oh how I love my sweet life,
Don't pollute my home.
—A Green Sea Turtle
StephanieLisaTara 5 months ago
Ya that's just discouraging. All he's doing is complaining. If you want to change something, PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE!!! If our world was run by idiots like that, we would go absolutely nowhere. There are so many people who have so much they should learn.. unfortunately for the rest of us they're too pig-headed to do anything, and everyone gets to suffer together.
Geoffgraham 5 months ago
@Geoffgraham hes complaining about government thats way too much in everybodys shorts. So how do u expect him to be??America's freedom is being chipped away by moron hippies and greenies who are a bunch of paranoid nut jobs thinking that light bulbs are helping the planet to melt. The other think that i have against these so called "energy efficient bulbs" is their light quality. Their light quality is ugly and they dont even last as long as ur told. im not using shitty bulbs cuz its "efficient
noreaga12326 5 months ago
@noreaga12326 look at the big picture, learn something, leaving out the specificity of the lightbulb : more energy efficient products = less energy use = less carbon emissions (from 'god bless america' supposedly the worlds greatest power yet the country with atleast 4 times the per capita carbon emissions than any other country) and here YOU are saying that youre concerned about the quality of your light??
Geoffgraham 5 months ago
@Geoffgraham the problem here is that ppl like u want everybody else to live their lives being paranoid about every little thing. We are talking about a freaking light bulb for gods sake. Yes, i prefer to use nice lighting rather than ugly lighting. Unlike u, i cant help it if I have taste. if the world thought like u, we'd have to report to government for using our a/c. heaters, lights, when to go to the bathroom, etc etc.
noreaga12326 5 months ago
@noreaga12326 keep thinking like that buddy.. dont even attempt to grasp what you grand children are going to have to deal with..
Geoffgraham 5 months ago
@Geoffgraham i've said it plenty of times and i'l continue to say it as many times as nescessary, when you and your greenie friends chip in for my light bill, then maybe you can tell me how to light my house. Until then, i will continue to use whatever bulbs i like. You and your environmentalist friends are a bunch of paranoid little hippies and lib-tards always sticking ur noses in other ppls business. you worry about YOUR energy costs and i'l worry about mine.
noreaga12326 5 months ago in playlist Politics
Wow, who else has read the comments on this page and cringed? And to think that this vid has had over 1.7 million views! These are very important issues you know, especially when America has the biggest debt on record and is starting to crumble under its weight. Beautiful stuff America......
jemmre 7 months ago 7
Any1 who thinks that humans are responsible for climate change, go seek some mental help. Since the beginning of time, the climate has, and always will go through changes and phases. Humans are NOT responsible for the change of the weather. If the weather was really warming up, we wouldnt have had record cold temperatures in Florida and snow in New Orleans. i cant help but to crack up at u paranoid little lib-tards who think that we're responsible for the melting of the ice in the Artic.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 So your argument is: since the temperature changes naturally, all modern fluctuations in temperature must be natural.
Brilliant logic.
ChaseKittens 6 months ago
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noreaga12326 6 months ago
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@ChaseKittens climate has always been changing since the beginning of time. Looks to me like Al Gore brain washed you big time.
noreaga12326 6 months ago
screw our government. We need to start over from the beginning
5817180 8 months ago
@5817180 Why do you say that?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@5817180 I agree, but only if it were that easy.
Lisztman88 8 months ago
they catch fire easy and they don't give off enough light to read a good book. I won't be using them.
serialsister 8 months ago
what a fuckn joke
TheWarlock888 8 months ago
He had me until he suggested that we should just use coal and natural gas and crude oil.
onhech 8 months ago
What does anyone hear think would happen if all of us threw off the dem/indie/repub and all started demanding them (the hill) to back it up everything they say with real numbers from the GAO... Forget the CBO if you like... I bet the bills would look much different and the talking points would go away. But until we can ALL do that, we will be lost and led astray by red herrings.. It's a sad world. None of our parents that worked hard would be proud... tsk tsk tsk
Something to think about...
garrisb2000 8 months ago
I understood what you were saying... :-)
Any time a bill comes out like this, those types of directions are mandated. It's what our tax dollars go to in order to have a baseline of recommended protections. Too many bills have been filibustered by repubs that would change the "made in china" issue but that's where GE makes them. He should've jumped on the "Made in America" bill instead of voting against it... We need to get past politics and demand more from both sides. We pay in the end..
garrisb2000 8 months ago
I challenge anyone to demonstrate who exactly lost their jobs because of the wider use of CFLs. If it's because American companies refused to make them when other countries like China did, that's not anybodies fault but the companies. I've go incandescent bulbs over 15 years old and they were made in Korea. So really, just shut the fuck up unless you can prove any of this crap.
WideOfVision 8 months ago
WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE!!! Why do "we" allow ourselves to be focused on this non-issue while he and his friends are paid millions to sit on their butts and do nothing? I mean on BOTH sides of the isle... It's time for all of us to stop bickering over this dumb crap and focus on getting whoever you vote for to get off their butts and WORK... If we went to work everyday and did nothing but grandstand over the "little sh*t", we wouldn't have a job. We know they are not phasing them out so why argue?
garrisb2000 8 months ago
@garrisb2000 you're right, this shouldnt even be an issue any more. In fact, this video is old and needs to be updated because there is no actual ban in light bulbs. the points that i was making is that government doesnt need to make descisions in everything we do. Theres comes a point where they need to back off.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
Telling me what I can buy and can't buy? Fuck you bunch of control freaks. Now I've got to have a hazmat team clean up a broken light bulb? FUCK YOU!
t3chk4 9 months ago
@t3chk4 This is what happens when we elect liberals. They basically wana control everything we do. Next, they're gona wana ban Mc Donalds or Burger King because of all the over weight ppl we have. And the skinnier ppl wont be able to enjoy it cuz of these control freaks. These are the same type of morons who believe that humans are responsible for global warming. We need to be careful in who we elect to office so we can go back to living normal lives with more freedom and less government.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
they say that cfls contain mercury and if one breaks or burns out you have to properly dispose them. How many people do you think are actually going to drive in their cars, waste gas money (which is expensive now a days) just to dispose them?? i guarentee you that most ppl will simply throw them in the garbage. which will lead to mercury polluting our water and earth. I am surprised that for wanting to have such a "clean enviornment", that you morons would promote mercury filled bulbs.
alex45598 9 months ago
The fact that we have people like BradNYC, GentlemanThunder7 and StickedU living in this country is pretty scary. You 3 idiots seem to not enjoy freedom. Government definitely has a role in things we do. But not to tell us how we should light our homes. This light bulb "ban" will not stick. There are states that are reversing the ban. And by the way BradNYC, one of the states that wants to reverse the ban is New York. (Ann Marie Buerkle (R-New York). We need more freedom and less government
alex45598 9 months ago
This is so great , well said GentlemanThunder and BradNYC. Nice job putting Noreaga in his place. I have been dealing with this Fox News fool for awhile. Its is nice having some backing. Great counterpoints, Win goes to you guys. The green message is .........winning.
stickedU 9 months ago
@stickedU sounds to me like this is the 1st time you actually get back up. In other videos, most ppl think ur a nut case for believing such garbage that a cfl will save the planet. the only think you have accomplished on this debate is making more of a fool of yourself. the more u post to me, the more im convinced that you're a nut case. So please post more
noreaga12326 9 months ago
oops "SHADOWS"
noreaga12326 9 months ago
This guy is an idiot. He didn't do his homework. He over-emphasizes a few things in the energy bill to make his point, but he neglects the fact that CFLs are only ONE alternative to the traditional incandescent bulb. The fact is, the bill creates incentives for other types of bulbs, such as LEDs, which consume even less energy than CFLs.
Extremists like this guy would dismantle government altogether. We call that anarchy. Who the hell elects idiots like this?
BradNYC 9 months ago
@BradNYC a bad law is still a bad law... maybe in NYC you like being told what you can do in your home... but the rest of the USA takes deep offence to the government dictating what we can and cannot use in our own homes.
NMFarrier 9 months ago
@NMFarrier (1) When it comes to messages of "freedom" and "justice" and all of the things that I support as well, it's important to pick your battles on something important, not something as frivolous as what light bulbs are now going to be available in the store. (2) With that said, it's ridiculous to see how this said piece of legislation would be a bad one. A switch to greener energy for homes would be a win for everyone.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 you say "a switch to greener energy for homes would be a win for everyone". Thats only your opinion, and you're entitled to think that. The ban is the same thing as government coming into my house that I PAY FOR, telling me how to light my house. That will never happen. In fact, the ban is so stupid, 12 states already wana repeal the ban. Just because you want government telling u what to do, doesnt mean everyone else does.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 Think about it though. What would you be fighting for? To pay MORE money on your electric bill? Just because the majority of the people want it doesn't necessarily mean that it's good for the nation and doesn't mean that the government will actually go forward with it. Also, what part of the Constitution or Supreme Court decision says that the government can't regulate the commerce? After all, we do have the commerce clause, right?
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 i've used cfls b4 and so has many ppl that i know. they take a while to come to full brightness, (which uses energy) and most of them dont last as long as claimed. cfls have been proven to have false promises. theres a solution to save energy, even with incandescents. simply, turn the lights off when leaving the room. However, this video is old and u do realize that theres really no ban on light bulbs. They only require more efficiency in them which they already have
noreaga12326 9 months ago
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noreaga12326 9 months ago
@NMFarrier (2, cont.) Greener energy would mean a smaller energy bill at the end of the day, so the consumers benefit. It would also conserve energy for government, meaning a conservation of prices, and give you everything that you need with equal quality that doesn't harm nature. Tell me why this is a bad law.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
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noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 You're absolutely right. If they're going to suggest something to us, it should at least the same in quality. However, what if they are the same in quality? Also, do you know how much money buying greener light bulbs saves on your electric bill in comparison to how much you spend on the lightbulb(s) themselves? You would only pay like 11% of your electric bill.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 b4 i reply to your post, i just wana apologize to u for being a bit rough on my comments towards u. i just realized how young u are and i shouldnt have been nasty towards u. U say that "buying greener bulbs saves on electric bill" theres a couple of responses i'd like to make on that. 1) most cfls save u that much energy when u consider all the other electric components we use in our homes. That adds to ur electric bill.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) Let's paint a scenario: you have a home using standard light bulbs along with the other electric components, and you pay a price for the conglomeration of all of those electrical uses. When you change your home to greener light bulbs, you're paying for the electrical uses other than the light bulbs at a same rate and paying for light bulbs that use less energy than the ones you used to use. That would actually reduce your electric bill because you're using less energy per month
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2) Of course, there is when electric bills go up. We have to analyze why electric bills go up, for starters. Electric bills go up whenever there is a higher use of energy, such as the holidays or summer. If we switch to something that saves more energy, that would use less energy per home, and when we're talking about something that reduces your bill by about 89%, we can see that it's no small reduction in the energy used. That means that the bills wouldn't go up by much.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 you make pretty good points, however, i think i mentioned b4 on this video that i have no problem with saving energy. But if im gona use energy saving bulbs, the bulbs have to look good. I have not seen 1 cfl or led that offers nice quality light. The only good alternative i've seen so far are Halogens (energy efficient incandescents) also, cfls and leds dont work in all fixtures of ur home. most fixtures in ur home were specifically made for incandescents.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 Again, that's your experience as a consumer. You should try to find other CFLs that work better, because mine work just fine. They give me just the amount of light I would need, and it saves me money. And even if some of them don't shine as bright, well...think about it. Would you rather have your house shining bright and paying a suffocating amount of money or would you rather have a house that has a reasonable amount of light while having money to:
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) go on that vacation you've always wanted to go on or buy that piece of jewelry for the wife/husband or put more money into a college fund for your children or even something small, like having money to go to a movie or a restaurant? I mean, throw away all of those possibilities just because the bulbs don't shine hysterically?
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 listen young man, a few ppl have tried to get me to switch to cfls and im just not using them. to me, their lighting is horrible and even though cfls come in different shapes and colors, my experience is that they dont work in all fixtures and their light quality is not good. i like incandescents because of their warm and natural lighting. dont worry so much about how much money im spending on them. i dont mind spending more on good light quality
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well what CFL brand(s) did you use?
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 i used the candelabra shaped cfls that barely worked. the bulb was so dim, i saw a lot of shadoes in my bathroom. i also used one that they tried to shape up like the old fashioned bulbs for my kitchen and that didnt work. when it burnt out. i also used the popular curly bulb for the lamp in my living room and that didnt even last a whole year. all those bulbs i got at CVS. however, i have incandescents that havent burnt out in 5 years.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) Well then, you should stop buying fluorescent bulbs at CVS maybe, or buy brands that are different than those. Then, there's the incandescent bulbs that haven't burned out in 5 years. Which ones were those? Were they ones you use often? Maybe you can look up reviews on fluorescent light bulbs that have been known to work or something. Also, there is the matter of how many people share this view. You say that a couple of people you know don't like them, but what about everyone?
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 i appreciate your comments and respect them. However, as i said b4, u will never convince me to buy cfls or leds. their light quality is harsh and ugly and unless they really improve on their looks (which i doubt) im sticking with incandescent bulbs. they've been around for over 100 years so theres no need to complain about them now.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well that's pretty much the reason why the Congressional body is even meeting up at all or considering this bill. There are people in the country who just don't want to make a change in their lifestyles, so the government's going to have to provide an incentive to buy greener light bulbs while, at the same time, placing normal light bulbs at higher standards. They DO reserve the right to do that under the Commerce and Elastic Clauses.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 u said "there are people in the country who just dont want to make change in their lifestyles." In the great USA, most ppl dont need anybody telling them what life style to live. As i stated in my earlier posts, the ban is so crazy that several states are repealing it. Do more research for yourself and check it out. Just because you and the green terrorists think that cfls and leds will save the planet doesnt mean other ppl do. Most ppl arent just that stupid.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well, let me respond in the following way: (1) The government is indirectly changing your lifestyle by creating higher standards for incandescent light bulbs and creating incentives for greener light bulbs. A direct way would be to penalize you or something for buying standard bulbs. There's no real "ban," but higher standards for the light bulbs that already exist. Banning things from the market is all part of regulation of commerce, a power granted to the Constitution.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Listen dude, no matter what you say, i refuse to join your green party. As i told u and BRADNYC b4, i dont care how "efficient" LEDs or CFLs are. if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them. End of story. I'm not using shitty light just cuz you greenies claim "it will save the planet" or "stop the melting of the ice in the north pole. Again, most ppl are not that stupid, Sorry to break this to u but im not that paranoid.
noreaga12326 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) I'll say it again. No one is getting rid of standard light bulbs. The bill that was passed was just placing the bulbs at higher standards for more efficiency. It's an adjustment to the regulations of commerce, which is an action protected by the Commerce Clause of the American Constitution. Unless, of course, you can inform me of a Supreme Court decision that said something like this was wrong, the Congress reserves the right to do this as far as I'm concerned.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2) Then, there's the question as to where that statistic about 72% of people not supporting the ban came from. Also, the people aren't always aware as to what is really good for the nation and what is constitutional. Even if the majority really don't support the regulation of light bulbs, it doesn't mean it's what's best for the nation. When it comes to 12 states, that's not even an overwhelming majority of states either. Where does this information come from?
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (3) As far as your idea of a "nanny state," as you call it, is concerned, that's a philosophical arguement between conservatism and liberalism. Sure, they're not paying the light bill nor the mortgage, but they're providing the services for you, which is why you even pay taxes at all. Why even bring up that argument either when the government is actually trying to REDUCE your bills as well? Other than that, though, the philosophy is a bit irrelevant.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@noreaga12326 (4) You also have to be aware that we live in an indirect form of democracy. The people can provide a voice and a push, but at the end of the day, the decision rests in the government. The government has to do what is in the best interest of the nation as predetermined by the government itself and do so in order to better it (considering that the people don't always know what's best for the nation).
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 i already mentioned that government does have SOME role in the way we live. Sure, some laws need to be in place for us to live a better life.I agree that drugs should be illegal and that we shouldnt drive on the wrong side of the road because others can get injured or killed.But the government is crossing the line into telling us what bulbs we can use. The problem that i really have is you and your nut job greenies wanting to control everything we do. Its just not happening
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
@GentlemanThunder7 let me make this clearer for you. You can rant on all you want on your BELIEFS on why we should use """greener bulbs""". But at the end of the day, I'm paying for my light bill, so i will decide how to light my house. And yes, incandescents are a bit more expensive to use, but some of us LIKE ME can afford it. So its not up to u, or government to tell me how much "energy" i can use or waste or how much money i can spend. Worry about the energy YOU use and mind your business
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) When it comes to the government telling you what light bulbs to use and not use, that's also a philosophical question and values argument. Let me reiterate once again: the government has the right to regulate commerce under the Commerce Clause, which is what is most directly related to the argument at hand. The supply of light bulbs is part of the commerce, so government has the right to regulate it as such. The government also has jurisdiction over energy.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) The United States Department of Energy was established in 1977 under the Carter administration. They're the cabinet with the jurisdiction to regulate energy and work toward energy conservation. So, not only does the federal government have the right over commerce, but it also has the right over energy, not only because it has jurisdiction over it, but also because, in a way, it's also part of commerce. You may pay your electric bills, sure.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) But you're using something that the government has every right of control to. Now that we have that out of the way, the question falls into an "ought" argument; it turns into a question more of morality. That is what you are trying to argue. So essentially, the essential question rests in the following wording: Ought the government regulate standard light bulbs? (2) For one thing, you're arguing the wrong thing. I explained the bill in question to you:
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) The bill in question is not banning any kind of light bulbs. As I said before, they're placing standard light bulbs at a higher standard and providing incentives to spur the American community toward buying greener light bulbs. As far as the right to personal choice goes, it's not violated because no one is taking choices away. You, however, go on and on about personal choice and the government not having any kind of control over that. You're still arguing over banning.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 (continued) No matter how much energy you THINK you're saving. youi're not. The lighting company will always raise their rates. And other things we use in our homes contribute to energy usage in our homes. The incandescent only plays a small part of it. Heres a lesson from an older man, to a young kid such as urself. Just cuz the government tells u something is good, doesnt always mean it is. In life, you have to think for yourself and understand whats good for YOU.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2, cont.) This a fallacy that you and Representative Ted Poe (R-TX) alike are exercising: a strawman fallacy. You're arguing a misinterpreted, oversimplified argument, but not the real thing. (3) With that said, we really should look at the effects of such a bill: the main thing is that it's saving money and helping the community toward a greener future. The other thing is that it's not really hurting anybody significantly, which is why this bill is moral.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Please pay close attention. Once again, CFLs are full of toxic mercury which means that since MOST ppl will not properly recycle them when they burn out. That will lead to toxic mecury into our landfills and waters. So how do u figure thats good for the enviorment??? you also said that "even though im paying my bill, government still has every right to control to" ?? How do u figure that?? If i wana burn my incandescent 24/7, how do u figure hes gona control that??
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
@noreaga12326 (1) Well, if you know that standard light bulbs aren't really being phased out, why are you still arguing about it being your right to choose whatever light bulbs you want to put in your house? You ARE arguing this bill, aren't you not? That's what I thought we've been arguing about this entire time. If you want to decide what light bulbs to put in your house, hey, more power to you. That's not being remotely harmed in any way because that's not what the bill is proposing.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2) You say that toxic mercury is in these CFLs. For one thing, how much mercury is in these lightbulbs? Is it enough to be harmful to the environment? For another thing, are CFLs the only type of greener light bulbs there are out there? (3) Again, the right to make such a change in regulation of light bulbs is enumerated in the Commerce Clause. Light bulbs and regulation of materials is part of commerce, so, the government constitutionally has the right to make changes as such.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (3, cont.) Also, there is a cabinet-level department, the Department of Energy, that is responsible for carrying out any changes to the policies of government. The government has jurisdiction over the use of energy. (4) The part about living your own lifestyle freely also falls into a question of morality. The same thing could be said by a drug addict or something who says that they don't want government telling them what to do on how to live their lives either.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (4, cont.) We're doing the same thing to them: the government is telling them what they can't and can do in their lifestyle by saying that drugs are illegal. You totally support making laws against drugs, but at that point, you're supporting the thing you don't want government to do to you. At what point can the government tell people how to live their lifestyles based on something like light bulbs and drug use? They're doing the exact same thing, and this IS the land of the free.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Over 100 years we've used these "ineffieicnt" bulbs and the planet didnt melt and we still had plany of wild life living. U do realize that thanks to Obama and government, many, many ppl who worked for the company that made these so called "inefficient bulbs" are now out of work. You believe that energy efficient bulbs will save the planet. More power to u too. But to me, this green BS is a scam.if u dont think it is, then take a look at all the ppl who agree with mr. Poe
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 The world is a pretty big place, you know, and it takes a lot to screw it up. It would take more time than 100 years of standard light bulbs, along with water and air pollution, other greenhouse gases, and other elements that will bring us slowly more toward our own grave (Tell me why you think this is all a scam, by the way). Where did you find out that these energy standards have left people unemployed? Could you give me the name of the article?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 I'l look for the video and get back to u. The one im referring to I believe was a GE company in Virginia that made incandescent bulbs. Because Obama and his staff don't think b4 they act, all those people are laid off since obama decided to shut down the lighting company. Incandescents will not bring up toward our grave. That is what YOU believe. And you're entitled. Next, you're gona tell me that we should ban buses and trains cuz they polute the environment?
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) You didn't respond to some of my questions. You continue telling me that government should have a voice in some things, but they shouldn't dictate some other things in lifestyle. However, the last time, I asked: At what point shouldn't the government dictate lifestyle? You also didn't respond to the question about why these things about world pollution and such is all nonsense to you. (2) Why is the policy inefficient?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 i've answered ur questions already. Government doesnt need to tell ppl how to light their homes. Thats like government telling me when i should take a shit, or what i should or shouldnt eat. When i mentioned trains and buses that so called "pollute" the air, mayb so but how else would ppl like me who live in new york city get to work in the morning. Not everyone can afford cars and not everyone wants to ride bikes to work.
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
@noreaga12326 (1) And I'LL say it for the 150th time: that's not the question I asked. I'm asking you at what point should government not interfere with the affairs of lifestyle, and you keep telling me that the government doesn't need to interfere in some things. What common characteristic about the "some things" do these things have in common that makes them illegible for regulation by the hand of government. What's the difference between controlling drug use and light bulb use?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 figure it out for yourself young man.We're not living in a "Nanny State" Just in case u forgot, this is the United States Of America. aka The Land Of The Free. Drug use attracts negativity. Incandescents doesnt. This is all about Politics and beliefs. You have YOUR beliefs and i have mine. U can rant on all u want. I refuse to join in on the green party. which is why , i've stocked up on old skool bulbs. as i said b4, u have a lot to learn little boy. Buzz off now.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 This is what's really funny. You're trying to subordinate me here because of my age. You're trying to make it seem that because I'm any younger by whoever many years than you, that automatically means that I know much less than you do. Adults can be stupid, and children can be stupid. Just because you're any older than I am doesn't mean that you're necessarily any smarter than I am, and from what I've seen in this argument so far, your counterattacks fail to meet my criteria.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Just because u dont know any better doesnt make u stupid. You cant help yourself, you're only 17. But i do know that someone fed you all this green BS into ur head. Not that you necessarily mentioned it to me but I have a feeling that you think that humans are responsible for climate change. When you start saying or thinking things like that, then yes, that makes u stupid. No matter how old u are. Even at 17, you should know better than that. One day, u will learn buddy
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well your side of this "silly debate" as you call it is deficient of reasoning as well as solid answers to the questions that I've made. For starters, you keep going back to this idea that government is somehow dictating what light bulbs you can and can't use in your home when they're just placing higher standards on the light bulbs that you already use and are not trying in any way to hinder your choices, even though they have the right to do so indirectly by the Commerce Clause.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 The only response that u'l get out of your last post is that THEY DO NOT have the right to tell me anything. U can say whatever u want about the "Commerce Clause" and I SAY, the hell with it. I will burn incandescents 24 hours a day if thats what i choose to do. The fact that you're so brained washed into this "green" scam is very sad. This is the land of the free. Whats the point in having freedom when govenmrnet is gona keep teling us how to live out lives. You are a moron
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 You go on and on about how this is America, but just said to hell with a segment from the Constitution (the representative, foundational document of the United States)? And ONCE AGAIN, no one is forcing you to do anything. The fact that you also don't provide any evidence as to why you think this is also a scam shows the little information you have to back your statements up. I think YOU'RE the moron...and a hypocrite for spitting at the Constitution.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Look here little boy. Dont act like a mr. know it all because you're a young little kid who knows nothing. Also, you know nothing but THE REAL WORLD because your mommy and daddy are still taking care of you. i already told u the reasons why i think this going green jive is a scam. After looking at ur utube profile, i can see why people find you very annoying. Get off utube and go play in the sand box with ur friends. Tree huggers like u are severly brain damged.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 When you spit at the Constitution and say you support American ideals, I don't think you're any position to say that anyone knows nothing. You didn't say anything about how the going green jive is a scam at all, just reiterated the fact that you don't believe that it's anything legitimate and told me about how you were going to burn incandescents all day. The only thing you did say is how climate is changing all the time, and I think I asked you questions you didn't answer to.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 Well, before I go play in the sandbox and let you to think about the mass knowledge you obviously have about the Constitution, let's just take a quick summary of everything you said and argued:
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1) What we're mainly talking about in this argument we've had, as I've mentioned beforehand, is the adoption of this bill which states that the government will place light bulbs at higher standards in order to improve their efficiency and provide incentives for people to buy greener bulbs. Despite the feelings of light bulb companies, it's a pretty innocuous bill to say the most. What's the problem with you argument?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (1, cont.) You keep going on and on about how much you don't want government interfering in your life. You keep saying that you will never change the kinds of light bulbs you use and you stocked up and everything. However, that's not what we're arguing. What we're arguing is the passing of this bill. Anything you said about you not switching is extratopical and irrelevant.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2) One of the questions I made was how do we know when government is interfering too much. You did say that drug abuse would bring negative effects to the society, so I'm guessing that was your logic about when government is interfering in a reasonable manner: if its prevention will stop negative effects, then it is safe to be regulated as such by government. So, all I would have to prove is that light bulb use would cause significant negative effects, as I have explained before.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (3) You brought up the idea that the climate is always changing natural. The question however would be how often does the climate change naturally in entirety, and how do you prove that this particular climate change we speak of now is just another routine climate change?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Dude u talk too much. I"m gona make this very easy for you to understand so that we can end this once and for all. You don't understand simply because i'm sure that somebody is still taking care of u and paying your bills. I have an apartment that i bought and once again I AM PAYING FOR MY LIGHT BILL. The government isnt. I AM. ARE U FOLLOWING ME SO FAR? Since i'm the guy paying for my bill, I will decide how much energy i can use or what bulbs i can use. Get lost now. thanks
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
@noreaga12326 How could I not understand that when that's the only thing you've been saying this whole time? "I pay for my bills. I pay for my bills." I gave you the Constitutional reason why the government has a right to regulate light bulbs and I'm asking you several questions about your position, but this is all that you keep coming back to. I mean, either you don't understand English or you're just avoiding my arguments whether or not you can argue them.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 From the way u post about the government COULD do this and how HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS, you really are an ungrateful little twerp. People like you dont deserve any kind of freedom. i honestly think u'd be much happier in a country like Cuba. Theres no freedom on that island. Before you were even born, this country was doing great until you moron environmentalists came along thinking u know everything.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 The funny thing is that the more that you insult me and bring up my age whenever I make a statement, the more that you seem like the child than I do. You could try to knock down my arguments or say something wiser that I could, but instead, you throw a temper tantrum and don't say anything of real intellectual value to counter me. I explain about the Commerce Clause and ask questions, what you respond to me is that I'm a twerp and I should live in Cuba.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 Not to mention the funniest aspect where you literally spit at the Constitution. I mean, it's really funny when you're trying to support American ideals, but then spit at the very document that is supposed to represent our country in its entirety. You know, you should be the one to buzz off for a little before and then try to come back and argue against me. It sounds like you need a nap and a blankie before you could even think about making an argument against me.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 dude nobody gives a shit what u gota say anymore. by now, i already know that you're not happy living in the US and having freedom. keep ranting on all u want. ur only pissed off cuz i think ur a moron for thinking that government is right about everything. u talk too much little boy and nobody even cares. stick with ur toxic cfls and i'l stick with my incandescents. get off the computer and watch sesame street little boy
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 try and come back to argue with u?ur a little kid and it would be pointless to even have a DISCUSSION with u cuz u dont know shit, junior. i dont care what u gota say. All i know is that ur a moron for thinking that the US shouldnt be free. ur obviously an angry little boy because most ppl on this panal disagrees with ur views. You shouldnt even be in this discussion simply because your mommy and daddy and paying your bills. Go play in the sandbox with your friends now
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
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@noreaga12326 Yeah, yeah, keep insulting me. It's only proving my point, you know.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 ......is that all you can do is call him a little boy, you really lost the debate you dumbass, I love seeing you cry and whine about your lost debate. Get over it , you suck and are a minority. The country will re-elect Obama and OLD light bulbs will be banned , get used to it. AMERICA IS SOCIALIST . U are the one who needs to leave the country dumbfuck. HAHAHAHA
stickedU 8 months ago
@stickedU 1st off,.. you're a whiney little girl who seeks attention. the posts u leave in other light bulb videos proves how much of an idiot u are.so please keep posting more idiotic things so i can laugh at u more. YOU'RE the one crying and whinning because most ppl are not falling for your green scams. I have enough light bulbs to last me a life time. So the joke is really on YOU. Why do u continue to cry and pout about the same debate?? Get over it already. watching u suffer pleasures me
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 First off.... all U can do is call names because U are very simple minded. Nobody is crying except U. Everyone on this video and many other videos have beaten U soundly in debate, so all U can do is resort to name calling. How old are U? 10? I bet U ride a bike...pssh pshhh stupid little boy.
stickedU 8 months ago
@stickedU the proof speaks for itself in all the other light bulb videos that u've commented on. Instead of worrying about yourself, you worry about how others live their lives. that proves to everybody how insecure and paranoid you are. You are a typical liberal. When somebody disagrees with your views you whine, cry and pout. I love how easily i can get u upset. Me and MANY others have stocked up on old bulbs. I bet that makes u mad huh? I love making u angry. go seek some mental help now
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 U are the only one mad here. Its fun for me to see U comment on all these vids and whine about the light bulb ban. I enjoy see freaks like U who cannot move on and change with the times. I just love pushing your buttons when I am bored on here. In the end you lose
stickedU 8 months ago
@stickedU i love it.. ur repeating just what i told u cuz thats all u can do. u telling me that i act like im 10?? what kinda of come back is " i bet u ride a bike" ur almost 30 yrs old and u post like a 3rd grader. why are u complainining about me calling u names. u do it to everyone else. Does it hurt your feelings?? I'm sorry, next time i'l consider ur feelings more so that i dont make u cry again. the more u respond, the more im convinced that i've pissed u off. Please post more angry girl
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 we both agree that light bulbs are not being banned. But understand one thing. Even IF government were to ban them 100%, many people will stock up on them and use them anyway. So the ban or as you like to put it, "THE EFFICIENCY STANDARD" isnt gona mean anything because many ppl will be using them anyway. Is that clear enough for u?? Its amazing how a kid like u (whos only lived 17 yrs on this planet) thinks u know it all. dont post back to me anymore until u get mental help
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 On the same token GT7.. Can you prove that this 'climate change' is due to humans? (Not the Humans messing with the empirical data.. the humans that are creating CO2.)
D34thSetX 8 months ago
@D34thSetX Well, when it comes to the empirical data that I present, you may have to prove to me that my empirical evidence is right or wrong based on its credibility. I have facts about global warming and showing how climate change can indeed be influenced by the human hand, but in order to disprove the evidence, you're going to have to disprove the source. Would you like me to explain what I've got?
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 Facts that you have not show, but yes. I would like you to post up sources that you have so I can attempt to discredit them. That is if they haven't already been massively discredited already. Although, I find it rather amusing that so called environmentalists like yourself don't fathom that something that is living can change.
D34thSetX 7 months ago
@noreaga12326 I'd bet I could explain why I should win this fun little argument, and you won't be able to argue against it safely.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 u call this an "argument?" I call it a silly debate. We already know that incandescents will not be phased out, at least not 100%. So why go on about it?? Most ppl like me are not paranoid about the envriornment like you are. as i said, we've used incandescent bulbs for over 100 yrs and the world didnt end. So quit whinning about it. And quit worrying about how much energy me and others are using. If i wana burn incandescents 24/7, then i'l do so. good night paranoid boy.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (2) You also avoid the question "why" with regard to your beliefs about the global warming and whatnot.
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 As far as global warming, the climate has ALWAYS been changing since the beginning of time. The earth goes through phases where it gets hot, and when it gets cool. Humans are not responsible for the changing ot the climate. Even if we used only "energy saving bulbs, it has zero affect on the climate. If u really think that we can control the climate, then you young man, need to check urself into a mental institution. who ever fed this green BS to u really brained washed u.
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@GentlemanThunder7 I never said anything about policy being inefficient. I said that most of the inefficient bulbs that are being banned is not gona be effective because many ppl will be using whatever they stocked up on. Next ur gona tell me that humans are responsible for climate change. Most ppl do not have these crazy beliefs like YOU and the other moron greenies out there. For the last time, you just worry about how much energy you're saving. Stop being paranoid. You're a bit annoying now.
noreaga12326 8 months ago in playlist Political
@GentlemanThunder7 So i guess we'l be stuck riding bikes to work and school cuz these buses and trains are so "harmful" to the planet. Do u get what im saying?? i'm gona say it for the 150th time. Government does have some roles in what we do and there are some laws that are reasonable. But a light bulb ban or should i say "efficiency standard" is stupid. The "inefficient" incandescents that are going, many ppl have stocked up on and will be using them. the so called "ban" is ineffective
noreaga12326 8 months ago
@noreaga12326 (5) From the way I see it, if I were to attain this attitude that I should just stop caring about how much people are damaging the environment, it'd not only be letting everyone on the planet down, but also myself down because I'd be part of the global crowd who suffers from this habit of conspicuous consumption that so many people have. Even if I were to just leave people alone about this, at the point where it can harm me with the attitude you suppose, it's going to be my problem
GentlemanThunder7 8 months ago