JWQ #4: Do You Worship a "Pagan" Trinity? #2 of 4

[SANW2010]

Gods spirit is personified and it is not a person.

Think of a power plant it give energy but dont conform

to what it infuses.

So in proverbs it says wisdom cries out. Personification.



[SANW2010]

These are the false teaching that the bible said will enter.

First of all the counsel was not divine guided by Jehovah.

Also, bishops and fathers from catholics was not a bible teaching and when paul was in Rome he surely wasn't in the Roman Catholic church and the same for peter.

She is giving you doctrine of mens and not the bible.

Jesus is the first born of all creation and he is the son of Jehovah

before he came to earth. John 3:16 said that Jehovah sent his son.

[SANW2010]

She is lying and that doesn't make any since. Just because they are one doesn't mean that they are the same. A man and a women are one but they are not the same.

[kombatzero]

yes you do worship a pagan trinity - you silly women--

[MrNirom]

Lets look at John 1:1-3,10-11 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

[MrNirom]

Word = Jesus Christ In the beginning was Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was with God and Jesus Christ "was" God. The same (Jesus Christ) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Jesus Christ; and without Jesus Christ was not anything made that was made. Jesus Christ was in the world, and the world was made by Jesus Christ, and the world knew Jesus Christ not. Jesus Christ came unto his own, and his own received Jesus Christ not.

[MrNirom]

I believe that our Father, God.. told his Son, Jesus Christ.. to create the world which we live on and to create mortal man. Because the Father commanded him.. Jesus Christ took upon himself the power and authority to act in name of God the Father. So therefore.. Jesus Christ was the "God" of the old testament. It was Jesus Christ that appeared to Moses in the burning bush. It was Jesus Christ who spoke with Noah... and caused the flood, Christ did this in the name of the Father, who is God.

[MrNirom]

The Father sent him to do his bidding. And because Christ created everything.. Christ also redeems everything. Only through Christ can we abide with the Father, and only through Christ can we be saved.

[MrNirom]

I believe that our Father, God.. told his Son, Jesus Christ, to create the world which we live on and to create mortal man. Because the Father commanded him.. Jesus Christ was given the power and authority to act in name of God the Father. So therefore.. Jesus Christ was the "God" of the old testament.  It was Jesus Christ that appeared to Moses in the burning bush. It was Jesus Christ who spoke with Noah... and caused the flood, Christ did this in the name of the Father, who is God.

[MrNirom]

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

If Father and Son and Holy Ghost were numerically one, how could Jesus be at the right hand of God? How would He be exalted? And why would He need to have received a promise of the Holy Ghost?

[witforjesus]

Let encourage all to check out my book "Yes You Should Believe in the Trinity" posted free online on my website at 4witness dot org. To find it click on the JW Topics link "Trinity" subject. Then click on the "Response to Should You Believe in the Trinity?" link and that will take you to the book's table of contents.

[fairwhether1]

I will have to check that out :)

[cbntmn]

The agreement to decide whether or not to adopt one of the three positions in 325 ce was "voted" on by man? Again a council of "men" decided what the church would believe. This is what I have to go by? How do I know that they did not make a "mistake" and choose the wrong one? Per my comment on your previous video there are holes in the argument that the three are the same. This secures that the written original text is still open to interpitation.

[martoq2005]

The Trinity doctrine is in the Bible and It´s quite clear there, a decision about a position in the whole church about a point of discussion does not invalidate what the Bible states.

[martoq2005]

The doctrine in the church should not depend on the decision of anybody, 2 P 1:20. Imagine that the whole church tomorrow vote to say that Jesus didn´t resurrect, although the whole church might agree on that point, this does not invalidate the text and the doctrine. Remember that God revealed himself to mankind we didn't find him.

[member250108]

Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit to lead and govern the church. The power of God is there leading the church in its decisions, just like when the apostles voted who would replace Judas. If they were subject to "mistakes" in these kind of decisions, then how could the teacher of Truth be with them as Jesus promised? You need to have faith.

[MrNirom]

The sad part is that about 315 bishop's came and voted out of 1800 that were invited. I guess some where not interested. So this doctrine is based on only the most interested?