An Exploration into the Nature of Reality

[Loreleila]

@WWu777 lol! Now do you think it would be better to say this:

1 This is not a comment or

2 Definitely better not to consider something you either don't understand or agree with. That way you can feel secure in the knowledge you are right.

This is, incidentally, psychology.

[AEVautomatic]

fucking idiot.

[Loreleila]

Still don't understand it eh? lol

[AEVautomatic]

I understand an idiot when I see one. There is a video of dawkings somewhere on here. he completely exposes her ignorance and stupidity. He is obviously holding back too.

[Loreleila]

Do you mean Dawkins? He speaks of me? I'm flattered. Please do direct me to this video. Oddly I don't disagree with him on anything however, so you still don't get it. It's fascinating you keep coming back. I wonder what draws you. If I'm such an idiot why don't you just ignore me> Why give an idiot the time of day?

[AEVautomatic]

mabe i confused you with some other idiot. I came back because i search for "nature of reality" from time to time. It angers me when i come to this video mislabeled as it has nothing to do with that.

[Loreleila]

Seems to me you're the idiot. Tell you what, to save you any further confusion I'll block you, then you won't have to make the same mistake any more.

[sheriffofsw7]

@Loreleila  perception is reality. but what of compassion? an eye for an eye and the whole world is blind. be kind. peace love and kindness

[hellavadeal]

Awesome

[Loreleila]

Thanks, and for your video. :)

[theshadowtamer]

I can't tell you how grateful I am for this video, as well as for coming across it. The last third of the content explained the failure of my last relationship, which ended two days ago, perfectly.

I have the feeling this was what I needed to hear. Now if we could only explain how, of all the videos I could have watched, I was drawn to this one. Ha ha. It seems a mysterious thing.

Also, your voice as well as your accent are breathtaking. Now I'm off to see what else you've posted.

-Jack

[Loreleila]

I'm very glad if it's been helpful Jack. Glad to meet you.

'I have the feeling this was what I needed to hear. Now if we could only explain how, of all the videos I could have watched, I was drawn to this one'

That's an important and worthwhile answer to find.

[jamesgeorgeblackburn]

Thanks for that, keep posting.

[Loreleila]

Thanks James.

[automaticAEV]

shit its not like the theory of relativity says

Fire can burn you and then you have fear, fear deep in your soul happiness comes at sping time.

No the theory of relativity is

e=mc2

p = m v

d = v t

it looks that way not

happy+scared=frightfull

see one is idiotic nonesense the other is not. Do you see?

[Loreleila]

You repeatedly make it clear you have comprehensively failed to understand the content of this video. It is also clear that anything you do not agree with or understand is seen by you as idiotic. I don't know why you keep returning to this, when it is apparently so stupid, nor why someone who claims intelligence thinks in such a self limiting way.

Einsten was a fantastic man. He tied together all existance, was able to examine all aspects of being without feeling threatened.

[automaticAEV]

ok you claim i cannot understand the video yet you cannot tell me one valid point she made?

[Loreleila]

Let me try and explain, as if to an idiot, the point you keep returning to. There are some aspects of life, like fire, or a solid object when you walk into it, the edge of a cliff, chemicals mixed together, which will always have fairly predictable outcomes. Repeatable, provable evidence can be ascertained. There are other things, such as encounters with people, where is is unsafe and irrational to make assumptions based upon those one might have met previously. Is that simple enough for you?

[automaticAEV]

Einstein spent two decades sought Theory of Everything<<

I expect you think Einstein was an idiot too.<<

no but i am sure you are one now. Einstein used mathmatics. Einstein didnt say hey im going to try and find the theory of everything then talk about his feelings. No he tried to find the equations. Mathmatical equations not personal feelings. You anology is not valid.

[Mwaterfall]

automaticAEV:

Loreleila is being personal and subjective for a reason. How can you separate existence from your self??? How can you separate consciousness from knowing what everything is???

In human terms, Einstein used mathematics and scientific methods to prove the theory of everything. But Loreleila, represented by so many others, realized that scientific observation and mathematics is not the key, but the ability to "observe" itself is - and that starts, my friend, with knowing self

[automaticAEV]

rofl lay off the crack.

[automaticAEV]

magical fairies and feelings of joy oh my. Its worthless gibberish.

[Mwaterfall]

Hmmm... automaticAEV, how do you see this video and what are your views concerning it?

[automaticAEV]

Someone talking out their ass. Anyone can ramble on and on it is worthless.

[Mwaterfall]

What do you mean, "someone talking out their ass" or "worthless"???

[automaticAEV]

she just says w/e with no valid point.

[Mwaterfall]

automaticAEV:

Ok... so... what is a VALID POINT to you???

What makes a valid point? Define

[automaticAEV]

A valid point is a conclusion arrived at with a valid premise useing cognitive thought.

[Mwaterfall]

So what conclusion in this video have you found that arrives at with an invalid premise, using cognitive thought?

[automaticAEV]

none like i said she makes no point at all not even an invalid one. Like i said before in 1 word. Gibberish. Really you should've just looked up gibberush in the dictionary because thats what this is.

[frogleshmee]

she basicaly said in the vid that its a huge subject and neverending, so thats why there was no conclusion. to make a conclusion on a subject like this would be nieve or egotistical. what shes is talking about isnt just spiritual its being studied and used in phsycology.

[automaticAEV]

Any idiot could make a show like this. I would like to explore the nature of reality. When you feel sad it is a bigger reality. When you are mad its because your alternate soul is a mountain guant. My head, my head is just a vibration in an infinate sea of loveing sap trees. never before could you disprove my assertion that this is reality in my subconcious. To some degree this makes sense as i spend my emotions on it.

[automaticAEV]

she is an idiot.

[automaticAEV]

in fact she didnt even make 1 invalid point. She didnt say anything. Dose she get paid for this?

[Loreleila]

Exactly.

[automaticAEV]

she is so subjective. She dosnt even say that a fire us always of at least some tempurature. She says the fire will burn you and then you will be adraid. She is a retarded bitch and completly subjective like a life form that isnt even sentient. End of story.

[Loreleila]

Who is 'she'?

Do you think it's ever possible to be truly objective?

[automaticAEV]

lol a lot more than being as subjective as you can possibly be. Like in this recording.

[automaticAEV]

this has nothing to do with the nature of reality. Just some ignorant bitch talking on and on about her feelings.

[Loreleila]

It's interesting how the truly ignorant often attack that which they fail to comprehend,accusing the other of ignorance.

[automaticAEV]

rofl idiot. Sorry but talking about feelings for 10 minutes has nothing to do with the nature of reality idiot.

[automaticAEV]

your talking to a male that utilized the usefull left side of his brain (not the complete bullshit right side).I had a really shitty day once where i scored 137 on an iq test (worste score ever). Usually u just abuse the test and get a much higher score. You do not want to get owned by me retarded idiots. I would love it for you to post some kind of cognative argument that has nothing to do with your feelings.

[Loreleila]

LOL! So being rude, spelling badly, and ignoring half of your brain is intelligent, right? Where are your videos, your postulations on the nature of reality? Perhaps you should stop making ill informed judgements based upon complete lack of information. Hardly left brain stuff. You are doing the very thing you are accusing me of. Why don't you make an intelligent video response, or watch some of my other videos and gather information rather than making assumptions? Hardly logical, is it?

[automaticAEV]

i have been drinking.

[automaticAEV]

umm your the one who claimed she isnt an idiot. the burden is on you. You need to prove your point. I heard this retarded idiot debate dawkings. she is a stupid idiot. She was saying how religion is not true yet it is emotionally true. She is an idiot. Either it is true orot is not. It dosnt get to be emotionally true and just plain not true at the samr time idiots. Fucking idiotsm

[Loreleila]

No, I didn't claim anything, and there is no burden of proof on me at all. Any moron can throw insults or claim intelligence, but thus far I see little evidence of it. Being drunk is no excuse. I can totally relate to finding much of the world completely idiotic. There are many aspects of truth, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Claiming an emotional truth is, I grant you, not convincing. But nor is some idiot throwing insults.

[automaticAEV]

ok fine. Please show me one point made in this video. There isnt one its a all nonesense.

[automaticAEV]

oh please there is no intelligent argument here. There is no cognitive argument. Just some idiot talking bout her feelings hurt like it has any relavince that isnt subjective.

[Loreleila]

I'm not talking about my feelings. I'm a Psychologist speaking of realities of the psyche. If you can't treat me with repsect and stop calling me names, conversation over.

[automaticAEV]

I'm a Psychologist speaking <<

Arfument from athority yet you dont prove your credentials? Amazing how did you get a degree and not even pass a basic philosophy ourse? Probably passed you even though you are an idiot. As a phycoligistyou should have been told at some point that it is worthless to answer what is the nature if the universe.

[Loreleila]

"Albert Einstein spent his last two decades in this modest home in Princeton, New Jersey. And in his second floor study Einstein relentlessly sought a single theory so powerful it would describe all the workings of the universe. Even as he neared the end of his life Einstein kept a notepad close at hand, furiously trying to come up with the equations for what would come to be known as the "Theory of Everything."

Brian Greene (scientist)

I expect you think Einstein was an idiot too.

[Serge165]

We can only see 10& of matter based on how luminescent it is. Our color/sight spectrum is so limited. However, I Knew about many things that these scientists babble about as an age, bahsing on a cookietin or Tincan, singing how we live in layers, and how they wanted me to live in a low-level vibrational state, most likely because I would have been easier to control.

[Loreleila]

I understand. Truly I do.

[cosmanthony21]

Loreleila, this is a beautiful and personally present centering video, thanks!

[Loreleila]

Thank you! And I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[numnums21]

very interesting. plan on watching more of your videos. thanks for posting.

[Loreleila]

Thank you, and you're welcome. I look forward to seeing you around. :)

[Felixelguapo]

i am sorry, your lecture is very long and quite frankly boring. though I don't disagree with your philosophical view point, it is so long and wordy...

[Loreleila]

This video, above all my others, has caused incredibly mixed reactions. Some have found it as you have, others have been intrigued or loved it, and more found it challenging in a variety of ways. I'm not sure why that should be, what components cause all this variety, but I find it fascinating. Thanks for your comment, and sorry you didn't fit into one of the other categories. :P

[yinyangzia]

I would also like to contradict the basic assumption of the populis that non-physical reality stems from physical reality...I believe that on the most basic level they are as indistinguishable as different energies are,...but If I had to pick the chicken or the egg, the non-physical is the basereality.

[Loreleila]

I can see where you're coming from (I think) but from my perception at least there are no dividing lines anywhere. Many, it would seem, deny the possibility of a non physical reality of any sort since they can't define or measure it.Thus emotions, for example, are often ignored, dismissed or medicated away.I find it quite mysteriously unscientific.Everything is part of reality, otherwise how can it be reality?

[yinyangzia]

That reminds me of the description of the nagual in the Carlos Castaneda series...have you read any of it?

[Loreleila]

I certainly have, a long time ago. I take that as a compliment. Thank you. :)

[yinyangzia]

your welcome

[Loreleila]

It was very interesting.

[lapislazuline]

Also i think most people live in a state of "becoming" if you know what i mean ,instead of just living now,in an actual kind of way..d,you see what i,m getting at here?

[Loreleila]

I think so. Are you speaking of the motion of being, rather than it being a static state? I see it as a sort of riding the wave. The motion requires poise, whereas if it was still I wouldn't.

[lapislazuline]

i need to think about that

[lapislazuline]

Well i perceive you,ve opened a pretty big can of worms here Lor, the fact that we can,t actually prove we "exist" might be an interesting addition to the debate :)

[Loreleila]

The biggest can there is. :) But then why leave them all squiggling away in there unnoticed? I personally don't think these things belong in cans, boxes or categories.

And yes, proof of existance is an interesting one. Can anyone prove we do, or maybe this is just an infinite fantasy?

[smadewell]

Here we go again.... The lady tries to make a simple point & the "Theists vs. Anti-Theists" diatribe ensues. Bottom line? Don't get carried away with wrangling over "models" & "symbol systems" that attempt to explain the Universe &/or the Multiverse. Stop & smell the flowers. Embrace the majesty of the Patrimony. The clock is ticking. Enjoy what time you have left.

[Loreleila]

It's a pleasure to have you back. :)

[EMTRUE]

This is quite rambling, leading nowhere, making little or no sense.

[Loreleila]

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it makes no sense. Others seem to understand it perfectly well. But thank you for your input.

[HowToLiveWithNoGods]

If perception is reality " as you have placed in this video" and his perception is that this video goes no where..... why does that mean he doesn't under stand you? what if he understand you but just doesn't think it is going somewhere?

[Loreleila]

Besides the fact that he is actually a she, I didn't say perception was reality. I said we perceive it as reality. If you're going to criticise, at least criticise the contents as they are. I'm happy to offer clarification if anyone seeks it. There is a huge difference between saying 'this makes no sense' and 'I don't get it, what do you mean by...'

[Loreleila]

Or if there were, whether we would know or be able to prove that was what we saw (OK just wanted the last word :P, probably won't get it. lol).

[Loreleila]

Thank you. :)

[Loreleila]

*brain melts* :P

I agree, but I guess I try and avoid any dualistic way of looking at things because more often than not it limits, and is fundamentally flawed.

Also, is the reality of my life, as perceived and lived by me, any less real because the whole of reality hasn't experienced it?

[Loreleila]

There are these two degrees, but I would say there are many more.

There are numerous facets of reality,depending upon your perspective. Objective reality may not even be one thing, I can't say for sure. Subjective reality has an infinite number of facets. Are they real? Hard to say. That would surely depend upon your understanding of reality.

[Loreleila]

Well yes, and no. I think reality can be experienced, but not contained within the intellect. One can swim in it so to speak, but in the same way one cannot swim in all the oceans at once, so one cannot explain all reality.

[philhellenes]

The exploration of the nature of reality has a name: science.

It strikes me that what you are exploring is thought processes and perceptions.

And as for what makes us react telling us something about ourselves, have you considered that your reaction to the atheistic standpoint might reflect an inner fear within you, such as we might have a point?

And what IS your point?

[Loreleila]

"The exploration of the nature of reality has a name: science"

No, that is an exploration of the nature of physical reality.Are you suggesting psychology is not a science?

This video has nothing to do with atheists, other than as human beings, of which I assume you consider yourself a member. Where is my reaction? (contd)

[Loreleila]

I asked a question of atheists previously which was comprehensively answered, and which I gained a great deal of insight from.This is unrelated. You assume too much.

My point? That there are many points. But this is not an attack on anyone. It is an exploration.

[philhellenes]

Well, I would have thought that the evolution versus creation debate is a clear case of opposing lies and errors and brainwashing. Creationism IS NOT TRUE. Yet you "reacted", asked "why" we oppose it.

And no, I do NOT consider psychology a science.

There is ONLY physical reality. The rest is down to complexity, as nice as it often feels. :)

[Loreleila]

That is your perception, and it is your right to see it that way. I'm not sure questioning can be seen as reacting, otherwise all scientists do is react. :P

But anyway, this video has nothing to do with creationism or evolution. Maybe you'd like to make a comment on the one that is.

[popebenadict16]

a tree just fell in the forest but i was in me kitchen and didnt hear it xx

[Loreleila]

So, your holiness, did it make a sound as it fell? :)

[bubonicnate]

really enjoyed this vid - thanx for the perspective!

[Loreleila]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

[trick0171]

I'm a little confused on the point you were trying to make with this vid, but here is my opinion:

Asking the question "what is real" is a question for philosophy, not science. Science makes the presumption that the natural world in which we perceive, test, and verify is real. Does that mean it necessarily is?...No. Is it highly probable?...Yes. Do we have a better process than science for learning truth? ...No! We cannot know absolute truth (or reality) about most things.

[Barklord]

trick0171: "Science makes the presumption that the natural world in which we perceive, test, and verify is real."

The issue that I will raise against this is that my reaction to a work of art will be different each time I experience it. The totality of any person's present experience cannot be repeated in a testable experiment. Scientific method isolates and focuses only on parts of systems at any given time.

[trick0171]

@Barklord

"my reaction to a work of art will be different each time I experience it"

That can all be explained via psychology (a part of science). There are certain tests that can clue us in on evidence for such experiences...the reasons why ARE are just more difficult to test since they already happened. I have no doubt science will find the answer in the near future.

[Loreleila]

I'm not really making one specific point here, but attempting to open something out. I am primarily a Psychologist, which as Im sure you're aware is a scientist of the mind. But the realities within that are not as easily seen as in the sort of science to which you refer. They are however repeatable and verifiable. But any Psychologist must accept and acknowledge the science of matter also, and their own psychology. (contd)

[Loreleila]

I absolutely :P agree with you we cannot know absolute truth about anything, but in both psychology and philosophy (to which I also have leanings) there are many aspects one must consider, it is less tangible, but vital to see a way to liberate oneself from that which is unreal. If you watch some of my other videos you'll see the relations to this one, because the sort of experiences people have had to endure can ensnare them in a trap of illusion.

[trick0171]

@Loreleila

Ahhh...you are a psychologist. That explains a whole lot actually. :)

[Loreleila]

lol Not in a bad way I hope. :P

[trick0171]

(no comment)

;)

[petergoesonair]

"I'm not really making one specific point here, but attempting to open something out." Doors are not always easily opened.

[petergoesonair]

e.g. when a person addresses a "wound" and it's potential for growth and issues of projection i.e. one's own "demons".

[Loreleila]

I quite agree, it's hard. But I will still point out those doors, because until we see them how can we even open them, let alone walk through? You make an important point regarding projection. I think the biggest step of all is accepting most problems don't actually lie with the rest of the world, but reside within.

[papackar]

"What is real is a question for philosophy, not science".

Right on. And then also, one's philosophy needn't be concerned with the idea of reality at all.

Science, meanwhile, is about theory predicting what is observed. No mention of "reality" there.

[trick0171]

@papackar

Agreed :)

Though...through logical philosoghy... I tend to think it ridiculously improbable that our observed natural universe (the one science CURRENTLY tests) is not reality.

[Loreleila]

Sure, I agree, it's reality. But all reality? There is a danger in making that type of assumption.

[trick0171]

*"Sure, I agree, it's reality. But all reality? There is a danger in making that type of assumption. "*

I am not sure what you mean by "all reality". I think you may be using the term differently than I am.

[Loreleila]

I think that's often the difficulty in discussing such matters, or indeed any matter, and knowing you are actually referring to the same thing. Yet unless we can find common ground and definitions how do we all communicate? I think this is a really important point, because otherwise we're all labouring under misconceptions about each others perceptions, yet it's easier said than done.

[Loreleila]

I suspect (though don't know) that your 'reality' is a physical one alone, whereas mine incorporates many intangibles and even imponderables. I find it impossible to exclude anything simply because it cannot be seen and measured.

[trick0171]

No...but there is only one reality. Either it is A) The natural world is reality or B)The natural world is just an illusion of reality (ie. we are a computer simulation, a stimulated brain in a jar, thoughts floating around, etc...).

[Loreleila]

Yes, one reality. But no,it is not an either or, in my eyes at least. Nothing is. That is a consruct, and one language is set up to (and therefore our thought patterns also) to repeatedly confirm. There are a multiplicity of possibilities, many of which we may not even be able to conceive of. That does not deny the possibility of their existance.

[trick0171]

*"There are a multiplicity of possibilities.."*

A multiplicity of possibilities is different than a multiplicity of realities. If you think it possible to have a multiplicity of realities, then your definition of "reality" is different than mine.

[Loreleila]

We agree there is one reality, how could there be more? But reality has a mutliplicity of facets, some we may not be able to see, let alone measure or define.

[yinyangzia]

I believe that the primary realization the reality is ever-changing and changeable can be expressed in the belief in a number of realities...this second concept predating the third; that the 1 reality is fluid and appears differently from infinite viewpoints (that are also part of it)

[Loreleila]

Personally I'm not sure all these categories help in our understanding. They are not mutually exclusive, and in some senses are false. They 'bleed' into one another. I have noticed an increasing tendency to look at categorisation and forget the exploration of this extraordinary reality in which we reside. What does it matter what box it happens to fit into?

[trick0171]

*"Personally I'm not sure all these categories help in our understanding"*

"Categories"?? Not really sure what you are referring to here. If you are referring to logic or science....those are not categories but tools that we use.

[Loreleila]

I'm not talking about the tools we may use to examine reality, but the categories people seem to perceive as real or not. For example, some would have it the only reality lies in three dimensions, the physical. They deny any other reality can exist. I actually have similar problems with the concept of an objective morality, but that's another story. But these same people who would deny emotion (contd)

[Loreleila]

actually exists become filled with those emotions when challenged, yet do not see them, because they deny their reality.

[trick0171]

Again, the word "dimension" is different than "reality". It is possible that there is a fourth dimension, or 10 dimensions (there is a neat site on this),etc.. but regardless of dimensions...it all ties into one reality. I think you may be using the terms interchangeably.

[Loreleila]

I wasn't using dimension to mean reality, just to express that some seem to only see the third dimension as real. Time is the fourth dimension. That's one I struggle with. lol

[Loreleila]

However many dimensions there may be, and whether the human mind can conceive of them all, let alone measure them, doesn't mean they are not part of reality. I think it's folly to imagine we can see all there is. Look how small we are. That doen't mean we shouldn't seek to understand as much as we can of course.

[trick0171]

Agreed ...especially now that you stated it as a possible "PART of reality" ;)

[Loreleila]

Pesky words, eh? :P I enjoy our discussions though, because we both seek to achieve some real communication, to hone it down to a place if understanding, whether we agree or not. Thank you, it is a pleasure. :)

[trick0171]

ah...right...space/time is #4 :) Have my numbers mixed.