Near collision between Tri-Rail and Amtrak train

[Spacek531]

I have no qualms about this undoubtedly interesting video, I am just wondering why it is squashed vertically so much.

[Amtrakeng]

Steering wheel ain't so bad...it's the clutch and shifting all them gears...

[horseboichristian]

I wonder where Sonia the dispr was that  fday.. Oh well she must of been off!!

[AshHill07]

To be honest I don't blame the Tri-Rail driver for anything I daresay I would have done exactly the same thing. Despite the fact the Amtrack train clearly had the space to stop. You see a bunch of lights coming at you you hit that fucking emergency brake as hard as you can!

[wmv3]

The Amtrak was train #19 or train #20 it's the Crescent

[BobWeaver112]

@wmv3 The Crescent does not serve Florida. This was a Silver service train.

[trainwatcher116]

thought the engine had a system when it went passed the red it would automatically go into emergency,"not for amtrak huh

[QUIX4U]

I for one- AM absolutely certain..

THAT ALL the good Youtubers out there..

such as @tallflguy & @OnTheGoldCoast etc...

Absoulutely hate little pricks like@kyla2112

whom spit TOTAL garbage and foul words

To as many people as they can possibly annoy

Well sorry U wee sadsack...

U chose the WRONG KIWI - to piss off

[kyla2112]

I don't, much to my dismay, work for a railroad. The Amtrak was clearly past the signal but stopped with plenty of room for the Tri-Rail train to go by. I understand the emergency stop but not the others or why the Amtrak had to back up. I am curious who reported this if none of the parties concerned did. This is pretty old, what did the investigation reveal? Did the dispatcher realize at the last moment that he had two trains on a collision course? I have more but am out of space.

[kyla2112]

@kyla2112 Can a dispatcher even give opposing trains a green? Did the Amtrak just overrun the red? It would seem the Tri-Rail has no fault here but not reporting the incident.

[train2589]

lol i saw amtrak #5 pulling a superlinner bound for chicago in st louis and it was in this video.

[QUIX4U]

Ok fellow railway men.. and ladies too if you're here.. lets all frogmarch over & voice your thoughts.. given the NO more info "info" and just the video...(?)

Live Train Crash!!! Stupid

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[QUIX4U]

I'v just been giving the shtz to a whole page of dikie lickerz ... on something simply called ? Coasts Seal Afghanistan? or something.. of a stupid driver whom FAUILED to spot a red turnout setting & rammed a rake of wagons in a siding? (with a lot of them kiddies .. thinking he could swerve to avoid the crash AS he'd not even operated emergency... until passing OVER the turnout - accidentally left OPEN .. to the siding?

[robertgift]

Much ado about absolutely nothing.

Big deal thathe Amtrak trainstopped a few feet beyond their signal.

Stopped well clear of foul withe other (our)train.

Since our train is occupying the block, which is shunting the track circuit that Amtrak just entered, how does the signal system know that Amtrak went beyond their signal?

Why did our train stop and not just continue?

What a waste.

[wirerail]

How do you know this wasn't reported?

[snreynolds2013]

is this a simulation cause this sure dont look real

[robertgift]

What's da problem?

Amtrak went a little past their signal.

So?

1) If time permitted, could Amtrak not back 20 feet to be behind their signal?

2) Why did Amtrak go a little past their signal?

Did Amtrak not have two yellow signals before this red signal?

Was Amtrak still moving until they turned off their headlight?

Why did our train stop?

Thank you.

[charlieb640]

Going "a little past" your signal is a HUGE violation in railroading.

People lose their jobs over this.

Check out the BNSF head on collision video taken at Kismet Siding, CA. The oncoming train ran just a few feet beyond his signal.

The consequences are enormous.

[robertgift]

No big deal.

He stopped well short of being in foul with the other train.

World of difference between a train stopped beyond the signal and a moving train colliding with another.

Why did Amtrack stop a little beyond their signal?

Why did our train stop and not just continue?

[charlieb640]

It may not seem a big deal to you. But in this industry running past a signal is a significant violation.

I'm not sure of the rules on all NA rail operations, but without proof of extenuating circumstances such as equipment failure this is usually a firing offense.

As far as backing up...once they ran this signal they have sent alerts all throughout the dispatch center. Potentially trains are stopping up and down the line.

[robertgift]

If they run SIGNIFICANTLY past it.

How many feet was this?

Why did he run past his signal?

No, he did not set signals.

They were already set behind him and our train set signals behind it.

[charlieb640]

Robert...don't really have time to explain railroading to you. What I can tell you from 30 years of experience is that running beyond the signal at all is a significant, fireable offense on most railroads in North America (if not all).

When this train moved past this signal the consequences were additional signals being tripped throughout the dispatch system. The result could have been delays and possible emergency stops up and down the line. Trust me on this.

[robertgift]

Nope.

The trains already set the signals behind and ahead of them.

None were changed.

Sure, it is improper but not significant if you stop out of foul.

As soon as Amtrack ran past his signal he gave us a red signal, but we had already passed ours.

Signals behind us were red from US.

[charlieb640]

Robert. You are wrong...but it's pointless convincing railfans and/or those who don't know how railroads operate in such a limited forum.

I will leave you to your ignorance.

[Boss302fan]

One wheelset beyond the insulated joint and you're terminated. For the crew that's a big deal.

Could they back beyond the signal? With dispatcher permission and protection on a shove...yes.

When this train went beyond the signal, alarms went out not only to the dispatcher but for locomotives so equipped it's possible jother trains were placed into emergency.

To a novice this may not seem like a big deal. To a railroader this is a significant violation.

[charlieb640]

Talked to some of my friends in JAX dispatch. As I thought, one wheelset beyond the insulated joint is grounds for termination. As it is out west where I work, this violation of rules and inability to control your train is a huge deal. It may not seem that way to you Robert, but to those of us who live and die by rule compliance and trust in other railroaders this violation is major.

[robertgift]

Yes, they should stop BEFORE the signal, certainly before the insulator so they do not drop a red before an oncoming train with a green signal.

They should have reported it.

But no one should be fired.

Amtrak should have gotten permission to back 60 feet.

Why did our train stop? I would have kept going. Not even close.

[charlieb640]

The insulated joint is the signal.

They don't have to report it. That is done .00001 seconds after the wheel passes the joint.

I will pass along your suggestion to railroad management and unions that in your opinion termination is not justified. I doubt your uninformed voice will be heard.

The train with the camera was stopped automatically as the psuedo-PTC equipped locomotive picked up the Amtrak violation (as did several other trains)

[robertgift]

I would expect Amtrak engineer to simply report that he stopped beyond the signal and not close enough to the switch to be of any concern.

Plenty of room.

I have seen insulators not at the signals.

Since our train is already in the block, shunting that section of track, how does the PTC system know Amtrak entered our already shunted section?

[charlieb640]

The Amtrak engineer didn't have to report. That was done instantly by the signal system itself.

As soon as he passed the joint (signal) the dispatch center and multiple blocks every circuit received an alert a train has violated a block. For PTC equipped locomotives shutdown is immediate if the engineer hasn't already taken control. (I am using some non-railroad terms here).

[robertgift]

Can Amtrak not communicate with our train?

I'd expect Amtrak engineer to tell our engineer that he went beyond the signal.

If our train is already on the section of track, shunting it, how will that section of track detect that Amtrak train has passed the signal and is also shunting the same rails?

[charlieb640]

I'm not sure what frequencies these trains use in South Florida. Hwoever, there's no reason for the Amtrak engineer to tell "our" engineer anything. They knew instantly.

I "believe" this territory uses Digicon. Not positive. Either way, the system detected the block was violated instantly. These systems are far more advanced than the "shunting" circuitry you are referring to.

[robertgift]

How did our engineer know instantly?

Our signal was green.

Would be good if engineers could communicate with one another.

I would expect them to have that capability.

For example, if a train hit a vehicle at a grade crossing, would be good to notify other trains that debris may be on their track.

[charlieb640]

The dispatch system sent a message to the PTC unit on this train as well as every other equipped train in the area. From my understanding the trains in South Florida on CSXT and FEC are so equipped. Not positive if all freight locals are so equipped.

Engineers notify the controlling dispatcher who in turn notifies the impacted trains, MOW crews, hi-rail vehicles, etc. It's the engineer's job to manage his train and not engage in traffic control.

[robertgift]

Dispatcher notifying everyone takes time.

When seconds count, though very rare, it would be best if other engineer can also hear.

How did the dispatcher know Amtrak passed their signal?

Our signal was still green, meaning Amtrak was not yet past their signal.

[charlieb640]

On the dispatcher notifying everyone...sometimes if they share frequencies it works that way. In other cases there's far too much 'chatter' going on and it isn't set up that way.

The dispatcher knew as the signal system told them. it's that simple.

[iceman977th]

@robertgift Shouldn't it be a single yellow (Approach) instead of two (Approach Medium I think?)

[robertgift]

iceman, I don't know.

Hopefully someone who does knowill answer.

[iceman977th]

@robertgift wEll the CSX guide shows that Approach Medium (dual yellow) indicates approach next signal not exceeding medium speed and that approach (single yellow) is do not exceed medium & be prepared to stop at next signal

[decline2state]

According to a discussion at trainorders(dot)com, the trains in question were Amtrak Silver Star #91 and Tri-Rail #632.

Tri-Rail was being led by a cabcar, and the conductor reportedly went through the train, warning passengers of a possible crash and trying to move them to the rear. Apparently the conductor's action was noted by a passenger, who reported the incident to SFRTA.

[elitheman44]

all of the engineers and conductors/ac's fired on both trains tried to cover it up

[robertgift]

Amtrak had yellow signals leading up to their RED signal, yet was stopped past their RED signal.

But why did Tri-Rail stop?

Was Amtrak NOT STOPPED?!

Why would Amtrak do another dumb thing and back without permission?

Why not stay where they were? There was plenty of clearance and no need to back.

Thanks for answers.

[QUIX4U]

@robertgift Hi robetgift... Can I give my KIWI's interpretation... going on the VIEWS I got... and not on all the b/shyte here... What I saw... was an train (lets call it Train_A) stopped CLEAR of a turnout "LINE" ... patiently awaiting a SLOW APPROACHING TRAIN...? That instead approached at SPEED?

[QUIX4U]

@robertgift THEN ... at the last possible moment... the approaching speeding train.. (Train_B) Slammed on emergency brakes.. SPARKS would have been ejecting from the brakes & wheels... ( Train_A crew has rightly assumed.. oh shit Train_B crew DON'T THINK they'll MAKE the turnout & possibly MAY SPLIT the points...

TRAIN_A crew did an emergency "clear the area" (without ppissing around awaiting clearance)

[QUIX4U]

@robertgift So ... The trainee .. if there was one.. made a quick panic'ed SPOT_CALL (assuming the worst case scenario - of a split points... (which ONLY the crew of train_B would have seen anyway - if there ACTAULLY had of been split points)... thus to ADD clearance for a possible jumped track - fast approaching train.. the trainee did a good job (wrongly - but a good job)

[QUIX4U]

@robertgift The problem was entirely with the TRIRAIL CREW - of Train B.. whom should NOT have been approaching AT SPEED.. knowing a turnout NEEDED to be taken at a much lower reduced speed.

[robertgift]

@QUIX4U Q, I don't understand.

Our train was traveling too fast for the switch?

Amtrak passing their signal a short distance is the only "problem" I saw.

It was an insignificant distance and no harm would occur..

Or was Amtrak still moving? (Does headlight on indicate moving?)

When our engineer saw that Amtrak was stopped and we were heading onto the other track with no problem, why did we stop? Why not cease braking and continue?

Thank you.

[QUIX4U]

@robertgift Actually no- a head light ON FULL BEAM was simply a "non-courtesy" as normallym a train...in waiting DIPS its headlight ... & I don't know - why did yourtrain stop - or did they think they needed to go confere.. (as the film didn't show that)... see?

[BobWeaver112]

@QUIX4U Who are you to say and how do you know that this turnout needed to be taken at a much lower reduced speed? This was probably a #20 turnout, which has a diverging speed limit of 45 miles per hour. Based on the middle light of the signal at the beginning of the clip being yellow, Tri-Rail either had a medium approach or limited approach, meaning the train cannot exceed 30mph or 45mph respectively through the turnout. The engineer has no reason to go slower than either given the signal.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 Normally I would agree with you yes... (but alas.. I sa counting the seconds.. bete=ween reference markers & this unit was doing way MORE than 50... thus yes.. OOPS too much speed dump some.. (OR maybe he got his own red.. or needed to stop anyway - (but) do I give a flying fuck... no - I just wanted to jump IN to keep the argument going (see) & it worked.

[vze428s7]

lol that probably scared the hell out of the dispatcher yo!!!!

[XIXSICdrumerXIX]

from what i've been told the crews of both trains got fired and the engineer of the amtrak train was a trainee

[QUIX4U]

@XIXSICdrumerXIX either you were told wrong.. or whomever fired them - is also a dipshyte?

[mskittywuzhere]

What I see is alot of people making comments about something they know nothing about - operating a train. I can tell that just from the information you've provided. Thats ignorance. I've been a Locomotive Engineer for CSX, Tri-Rail and Amtrak, yard & road. All of you people speculate about what you "know." Just like the news clip that said "The Amtrak train missed a turn and ended up on the same track as the Tri-Rail" - what - you think we have a steering wheel up there??

[QUIX4U]

@mskittywuzhere hahaha - finally I FOUND a page of RAILWAY GUYS.. real railway.. not the tinie weanies.. whom drive xboxes.. & assume a driver jumps out runs like 4k up the track & switches the track .. without you seeing on the video... and swerves.. ? huh? you & who's army is gona do that - at full noise?

[kyla2112]

@mskittywuzhere what! No steering wheel? First I'm told trains can't stop on a dime and now this? Holy crap! lol

[TEMPLE7D]

@mskittywuzhere exactly, i've been told a train didn't "turn" to the other track correctly.

[mskittywuzhere]

All this feedback I'm reading says that NONE of you really knows whats going on. "tallflguy" says he used to work for Amtrak - so you either Retierd - or got fired? "Amtrak SilverMeteor" you obviously don't know this is not Tri-Rail B.S. - the Amtrak ran the signal. And, the Amtrak should not have been doing line speed, especially after passing three (3) Approach (yellow) signals before getting to the red signal. Whoever "BobWeaver112" is, he has some grasp on things, whatever his knowledge is.

[AdWhWaHo]

i could imagine how scared the people in the trains were.

[railfanner91019]

They probaly didn't know what was happening.

[AdWhWaHo]

probably.

[agentconstruction101]

what side of the train were you on the far right?

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

What I would like to know is how did you get a copy of this video?

[staintedcards]

how the hell can they miss a stop signal and im sure somebody got fired

[tallflguy]

Engineer probably texting or on the phone, which is against the rules. They didn't get fired yet, they just got suspended, but after the FRA is done with the investigation they will be.

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

Ok first, when you are in a Genesis, there is almost no phone reception. Second, you should not have a copy of anything recorded by the survaillence camera, for privacy reasons. I work in the Miami yard, and I will report you if you don't take this off.

[tallflguy]

First of all idiot, I been inside a P42 quite a few times and I had perfect reception from my phone you must have either a crapy phone or bad phone service. Second, the FRA released the footage to the PUBLIC! If you do a google search you can easily find the news story and the video they have posted. I doubt you work at the Hialeah yard.

[QUIX4U]

@tallflguy wow.. can I have that phone... please please pretty please .. and then we'll see how good it ain't... take the dam thing down a coal mine, or.. during an elecrical storm, or when the cell sites are down... or a trillion OTHER things that can interfere... and then we'll see how useless you phone really is.

[BobWeaver112]

You work in Hialeah Yard? I find that hard to believe based on how old you look and sound in your 4/19/08, 8/31/08, and 10/5/08 videos.

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

Thats my son you imbecile. Im 48 and if you dont believe me check my profile. Im sick of Amtrak always being blamed for trirail bs like this. The dispatcher clearly had the switch set for the tri-rail to clear the Amtrak. I see no chance of collision. And how is the Amtrak, which was doing the line speed, supposed to stop on a dime right in front of the red signal? There was no danger here just the ignorance of people like you who overlook things and dont know what they're talking about.

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

And if you dont believe that I work in the yard, I'll post a picture of me at work.

[QUIX4U]

@AmtrakSilverMeteor me too - I've done that ... on trains & etc... & On a trolley even too (but the dipshytes out there - in YT land.. still think I know nothing whilst they drive TRAINS with their xboxes

[BobWeaver112]

Your profile doesn't mention anything regarding your age. If you worked in the railroad industry, you would know that Amtrak went past the stop signal, an occurrence that requires contacting the dispatcher and stopping the whole train. You would also know that it would have had adequate time to stop. A train doesn't go from running on a clear signal to a red in the next block. It would get either an advance approach or an approach signal beforehand.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 so... IF the amtrack HAD a green - AND WENT PASSED THAT GREEN - before the distant signal went from amber to red... and thus that green would have been DUE to go amber (but amtrack went through the green.. (YES.. amtracks NEXT signal would MOST DEFINITELY have been - an UNEXPECTED RED.

[BobWeaver112]

@QUIX4U Distant signals are unable to post a stop indication, so there goes that argument. For a train approaching a stop signal on the CSX, it will most likely pass an advance approach signal first, then an approach signal, then the stop signal. In the case you described, the dispatcher would probably directly contact the train to advise on its speed; no train will go from a full clear signal to a stop on the next signal.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 Oh & oopsie .. did I say DISTANT when I mweant t say the SIGNAL (normally all signals in a CTC area are intermediaries) The signal in the distance would have been (yes I did say AMBER) from green ... h=thus the near signal is amber/red... indicationg turnout amber RED MAIN.

[BobWeaver112]

@QUIX4U The issue at hand is that Amtrak, for whatever reason, wasn't able to stop short of its stop signal. Aside from the argument of who was at fault for not reporting it, etc., this has nothing to do with Tri-Rail, as its engineer was operating the train properly. Tri-Rail mistakenly thought Amtrak train was moving and made an emergency stop, just as it should have. Had the Silver stopped 50 yards back, this video would have never been posted, as there would have been no incident.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 Well of course AMTRACK was moving - your Tri rail thought forwards.?. but BACKWARDS IS STILL MOVING I SUPPOSE EH?

[mydmband]

@QUIX4U If you're going to YELL at least spell AMTRAK correctly. :-)

[QUIX4U]

@mydmband AMTRACK .. ?

What's about "AMTRACK" I was abusing "someone entirely different ... ?

DID I SPELL AMTRACK..?

No .. so ?

(I cannot be done for slander EH...?

f you interpreted my "spelling" as AMTRACK...

? - Then - hey... that (my son) - is YOUR problem.

[QUIX4U]

@mydmband hahahaha - Oh & do I giv a PHARUK .. (?)

N_O

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 OH - maybe TRIRAIL ... spotting that amtrack WAS actually moving back... either thought OMG we cannot clear them on the swing... or SHIT did amtrack SPLIT the points.. In either scenario - trirail crew would emergency brake ( AND as we all know ... ONLY after a full complete stop can one actually release emergency brakes.. OR - had you forgotten that titbit too?

[robertgift]

@BobWeaver112 Bob, can Amtrak talk directly to Tri-Rail?

Unfortunate that Tri-Rail came to a stop, but understandable if he was unsure if Amtrak had or would foul his track.

But since it was not even close, too bad Amtrak could not tell Tri-Rail no problem.

[BobWeaver112]

@robertgift Since they're operating on CSX track, they would be on the same radio frequency, so yes, they could talk to each other.

[robertgift]

@BobWeaver112 Then why did Tri-Rail stop? Could Amtrak notell Tri-Rail that Amtrak was well clear of foul and thathere would be no problem?

[BobWeaver112]

@robertgift A train passing a red signal (the Amtrak in this case) is a pretty serious issue, especially when there is another train in the area, so I would assume that the Tri-Rail engineer stopped his train to assess the situation and proceed cautiously as the engineer saw fit. But since there is no audio to this video, we won't ever know.

[GeoffBlackmore]

@robertgift - The Tri-Rail train must have passed a red, since the Amtrak was foul of the signal. In this part of the world both trains would have been in error, and both crews stood down.

[robertgift]

@GeoffBlackmore Tri-Railikely passed their GREEN signal before Amtrak passed theiRED signal causing a RED signal for Tri-Rail.

Why did Tri-Rail STOP when its engineerealized thathere was no problem; Amtrak had stopped beforeven getting close to Tri-Rail?

[GeoffBlackmore]

@robertgift - Tri-Rail probably went into emergency when he saw the other train not stopping in time. Even if he hadn't gone into emergency, witnessing another train go past a red signal in front of your train, is a very serious situation that requires both trains to stop. You don't just say "that was close" then carry on. There are rules and procedures that must be strictly followed.

[amtrak1008]

@GeoffBlackmore I am sure that the trains were opperated in a safe way.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 Hells bells - I'm from NZ - & even I know THAT simple scenario.. (no wonder SOME americans are KNOWN the world over as BIG money splashing imbiciles... it's actually TRUE)

[BobWeaver112]

Also, Amtrak did not have permission to make the reverse movement on the mainline. That's a big no-no without contacting the dispatcher first. Both crews are required to report an incident like this, which they did not do. I remember you saying a few months ago that Amtrak has 200 Viewliners. I think somebody that works in Hialeah would know that the actual count is a quarter of that, and would see the significance of this video.

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 there is ONLY 1- but a most significant point (here) - [quote] Amtrak did not have permission to make the reverse movement on the mainline. ... without contacting the dispatcher first. Both crews are required to report an incident like this, which they did not do. [unquote] THAT is the only reason for suspending BOTH CREWS & dispatcher (whom would've seen on his control panel exactly WHERE both trains actually were & BY whose fault had thus PUT them there.)

[BobWeaver112]

@QUIX4U For all the dispatcher knew, the block just took a little extra time to clear. The dispatcher did absolutely nothing wrong in this situation. Amtrak was supposed to be stopped at a red signal to allow for the crossing over of a Tri-Rail train to the other track, after which the Amtrak would have proceeded. This kind of movement happens every day on a double track railroad. How else do you think trains would get around each other?

[QUIX4U]

@BobWeaver112 You keep saying dispatcher ? DISPATCHED FROM WHERE... surely not at the start of that journey... TALK SENSE MAN - TRAIN CONTROL... TRAIN CONTROLLER.. A dispacher is someone whom dispatches.. "posts" sends away - all control then goes to TRAIN CONTROL? or are americans dumber than even I thought?

[QUIX4U]

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[QUIX4U]

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[QUIX4U]

And as for the rest of those useless dweebs..

Whom also had their little digs at me..

ON comments from long ago..

INSTANTLY_BLOCKED

& U don't even get mentions

Now how sad does that make U

4 that ?

[QUIX4U]

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[tallflguy]

lol oh yea nothing happened. Both crews are currently on the street, tri-rail train had to put the train into emergency (brakes), nobody reported the incident at the time that it happened which includes the dispatcher and the FRA is investigating the matter. Yea....nothing happened I guess.

[AmtrakFlorida]

@tallflguy Okay you're right Amtrak engineers just pass red signals without stopping just so they can get killed. Of course they do that I mean who wouldn't.

[Calinn86]

@AmtrakSilverMeteor if there was no danger and the switch was set bla bla bla, why did the tri-rail train stopped also?? if you were right, then the tri-rail should've not stopped, should've continued his movement without hesitation.. or maybe he stopped to ask the amtrack driver the score of the last yankees game..:|

[QUIX4U]

@AmtrakSilverMeteor Absolutely correct... (I too aam an ex railway worker NZR - and catagorically statye... NO TRAIN stops on a red.. ESPECIALLY if one is PULLED as the train reaches it.. SOMETIMES.. a train has a green & pe=asses an outer signal that WAS about t turn .. but - because of the ACTUAL green - sails into hell (head-on) LEGITAMTELY LEGALLY

[QUIX4U]

@AmtrakSilverMeteor Plus.. unlike a lot of silly twits here.. the TRIRAIL also HAD a full green (on amber) which was the correct turnout setting.. AND ALWAYS KNEW - there was no chance of a collision but it was the failure to report a near miss... that they were suspended .. not of the amtracks backup)

[heelblocks]

This is MAJOR passenger trains going by red signals! That is LIFE THREATENING yeah something happened majorly, NO CHANCE OF COLLISION? Are you freaking kidding me?! Another 3 engine lengths and the Amtrak train would have been fouling the switch and would have been hit. You need to know what you are talking about sir..

[tallflguy]

I actually did use to work for Amtrak at the Hialeah yard and know alot of the Amtrak personnel that do work out there.

[BobWeaver112]

That was directed towards AmtrakSilverMeteor.

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

What Im saying is, that even if the tri-rail had not applied its emergency brakes, would there have been a collision? No.

[QUIX4U]

@AmtrakSilverMeteor Actually - the train loco crew - WITH the camera on board.. actually proves that they were basically sleeping or simply attending cab cleaning or some other useless task & not keeoping a good WATCH OUT "ahead" other wise... as soon as that other loco's light was seen.. they'd have already been slowing.. it was a last minute OMG before realising -- Oh thats ok.. the turnours set whew?

[chefjavier]

@tallflguy did they got in trouble?

[QUIX4U]

@tallflguy [quote] Engineer probably texting or on the phone, [unquote] ORDER IN THE COURT ORDER IN THE COURT... heresay & assumptions - UNLESS provable - are to be ignored.

[QUIX4U]

@tallflguy fuck - I hope SOMEONE ASSUMES you do something wrong (when you are somewhere else.. AND YOU GET SUSPENDED? that'll make you laugh - on the other side of your face now eh?

[QUIX4U]

@staintedcards wow... so.. you reakon YOU can spot a green - going RED.. before it happens.. OR .. if it happens just a few hundredths of a second.. before you pass the signal - you reakon - YOU could stop short.. HAHAHA - unless a solid mile block of concrete drops down as the signal goes red.. theat baby is gona tack however LONG it needs to stop .. signal or no signal.

[staintedcards]

@QUIX4U ok let me put it this way somebody screwed up im not saying its amtrak if the signal changed before he could stop then its dispatchers fault but im sure somebody got fired for not reporting this

[QUIX4U]

@staintedcards sweet - someone on my wavelength.. WHO CARE whose at fault.. I don't I just think panic set in .. everyone blamed evryone else & between two rival companies,,, sht happens

[conrailds]

Where did this video come from?

[BobWeaver112]

Onboard video camera in the cab of the Tri-Rail train.

[AmtrakSilverMeteor]

This should not be on the internet.

[Boss302fan]

Just curious. Why do you say 'this should not beon the internet".

Why not?

[TycoTrainAL]

AmtrakSilverMeteor : Why should this video not be posted on the internet? I for one learned something new from this video as other may too. Please do tell? Im not flaming you but just a simple question on what your thoughts are.

[QUIX4U]

@TycoTrainAL true.. I wouldn;t hve been able to have another enjoyable evening here in NZ ... tearing srtips off another set of railwayittes.. all with their own views,... just like I'v got my views.. possibly wrong.. but hey - I for one.. don't mind owning my views right or wrong.

[TrainMan7070]

I believe the Amtrak train is the Silver Star.

[tallflguy]

Yea I think you are right.

[Amtrak839]

Yes, that is the Star, there are only 2 sleepers, the Meteor runs with 3.

[FloridaTrainKid]

It actually depends on what time the incident was taken. There have been times where I have seen both trains with 2 Viewliners and times where I have seen both with 3. I believe the consists are a supply and demand issue.

[QUIX4U]

@FloridaTrainKid Um - does it really matter HOW MANY 4kn liners wrre theree.. shit - would 3,000 have made a difference - no.. (spo why bother mentioning tht?)