Great video and I'm saving this to favs! I knew that all these religions were connected somehow, but I didn't have the understanding. Now, I do and I thank you. Very informative!
My mind has just been blown. I've been trying to correlate the bloodline between Christ and Adam. But I guess I wasnt thinking big enough lol! I understand that these religions are all related but I didnt know of such an actual blood line relation. Amazing! Checking out the sites right now!! :)
Excuse me, Sir, with all the respect to your person about your intentions.
What do you tell me about JC descending from Yehochoniah? If yeshu is said not to be carnally part of Joseph (as did every descendant) why ever is his genealogy taken in spot in the first place? Isn´t it a contradiction to highlight his genealogy to prove him divine? One good thing about your reasearch: God of Israel and the universe is only one: Hashem.
the USA supreme court ruled during the 1980s that the jews are a distinct race just like how the Italians are a distinct race. Most people who call themselves jews are total atheists such as Woody Allen and Sam Harris. The illegal state of Israel was founded in 1948 by atheist jews from europe not by religious jews. The only real religion of the jews is mammon.
Enoch didnt teach american indians there were no american indians at that time. A prophet named Lehi and his children and wife who were descendants of Joseph son of Isreal, sailed to what we know as america right before Jerusalem was taken and destroyed at about 600 bc. In the LDS faith Jesus returned to not only the East but also to America where he taught the natives about his truth.
Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon is a forgery and a fake, and there is not one shred of evidence to show otherwise. It is on faith alone that the followers of LDS must accept the Book of Mormon, for not one copy of the the alleged golden tablets exists. Joseph Smith was a charlatan that was run out of every town he ever set foot in. The history found in the Book of Mormon is no history at all, but a fanciful tale that can't be corroborated by one single shred of evidence. We go by facts here.
Well, I don't suppose many Baha'is alive today do. It was common knowledge to early Baha'is as indicated in Lua Gestinger's Pilgrim Note: "I stood breathless as I wait to behold the face of the Prince of David, the Prince of the whole world" [speaking of Abdul'Baha]. This was common knowledge back then, but ever since the Hands hijacked the Faith in 1957, these details were set aside when they set aside the Guardianship. The point is that his descendant is alive today, & the current Guardian.
It doesn't; it just says "Enoch walked with God", so we know he left Egypt. The evidence in Central America that Egyptians were there is overwhelming; Quetzalcoatl is the Feathered Serpent from the Eastern Seas and brought them their religions, pyramid building skills, etc. Also there were giant ocean going vessel found buried in front of the Great Pyramid. There is no specific verses saying Enoch did all this, but how else did granite from Wisconsin wind up in the Great Pyramid's Kings Chamber?
Abel didn't have a wife; he was killed by Cain. Then according to Genesis4:16 Cain went out from Eden to the land of Nod and found his wife among the people their. According to the Bible itself there were people around outside of Eden all the while.
Okay, This is really strange but I heard there was a city called enoch in Utah. Memphis tennesse is pretty interesting too because Memphis was pretty much a place in egypt, right? I mean who names these places?
Enoch they say educated native americans and so forth. I find this very interesting on the mystery of ancient times and mythology and religion and such. As for Seth, you can find him in egyptian mythology as he is called set and considered the third son of the one they call nut. It's interesting the similar stories you can find resembling Jesus from times before christ...(B.C.)
If Enoch was the third generation from Adam, who did he build the great pyramid of Giza with? I mean, all of a sudden we have an explosion of population! And how could he have travelled to the Americas educating the natives - where did that population suddenly spring from?!
Perhaps God pulled off some other creation trick which the Bible forgot to mention.
Can't you believers think with any degree of logic?
Adam was not the 1st man God created. This is taught in the Bible; in Genesis 4:17 Cain leaves Eden & goes east to the land of Nod & takes a wife. So we know people were living outside of Eden at this time. Adam was the first God-conscious person, & the 1st in a series of Divine Messengers to teach of the Invisible Creator. I don't think we devoted enough time in this video to this topic you raise, but w/ only 10 minutes you have to stay focused. It'll be the topic of another video. Stay tuned.
jeffmich, interesting point you make, but I suspect fraught with difficulties. From a Christian point of you, I think your account presents problems, namely: original sin (requiring Christ's atoning sacrifice on the cross) would surely only apply to the descendants of Adam, who were chased out of the garden of Eden, and not e.g. the native Indians, who would have been innocent of Adam's disobedience.
Well actually we're not Christians here, & frankly I believe their point of view often contradicts Scripture. You're certainly entitled to your beliefs, but the reason I disagree is that 'original sin' is not a teaching of them Bible; at least not one as explicit as the Church presents. The story you're referring to is a parable, not an account of an actual event. As I mentioned, even the Bible acknowledges in several ways that people were around outside of Eden, so Adam wasn't lit. the 1st man.
when i mentioned Gal 1:8, it speaks of how we shouldnt be preaching anything that is not in the bible.. Thus not accepting outside sources of information, because the bible is sufficient enough. i think youve misinterpreted what i said about another savior coming. Yes there is another coming, but not of a new savior.. The next coming is to come and judge the world. Basically what im saying is to only follow what scripture says, i suggest that everyone observe it themselves carefully
WOW! This channel seems to attract 19-year-old-know-it-alls like fly paper. How would us grown-ups get on without you brilliant teenagers pointing out how stupid we all are?
Aside from paraphrasing this verse incorrectly, your conjecture about it is also flawed. The "gospel" is not the same as the Bible, per se. The Bible didn't exist when Paul wrote this. Gospel means "good news". You're saying there's no other "good news" outside the Bible, but that's not what it says. You're adding again.
what exactly do u believe in? Because i can tell by the way you have been sarcastically writing, that you are not a Christian. I could understand if you were an atheist because in all my experience working, and speaking with people from other religions, i have not once ran into a guy who thinks he is superior to another, or knows everything. Yes i understand that i maybe misusing my words, but the big picture is that all good can only come from God, and not man.
Are we to follow Mohamed, Buddah, Krishna, and other books of teachings like the book of mormons, the koran? But then all religions would have to be right, correct? And i want to make it a point, to make this a peaceful conversation. I dont think one should judge one's spiritual maturity by age. And please dont put words in my mouth, because i never said i am a "know at all" or call anyone "stupid". I think we should both soften our hearts,& not resort 2 cutting each other down. Don't you agree?
Agreed. None of those guys started religions; rather they brought a Revelation from the same God. It was their believers formed their respective religions. A comparison of their actual teachings makes one thing clear- they all proclaim and profess, and worship the same God. It's so-called Christians who later deified Jesus- that's not a teaching in his Gospel. It's so-called Hindus who later deified Krishan, etc. Mohamad accepted Jesus and Moses- there's but one God, and we're all his children.
What would have said to Jesus if you'd witnessed him screaming at the clergy "O YE HYPOCRITES!"? Now I'm not comparing myself to him in any way, but merely pointing out that Jesus himself is the example that we're not all to be tolerant of BS. And that's what you're providing us here. You've come here attacking our video with flawed reasoning, and misrepresenting what the verses you quote actually state. Don't pull the old "can't we all just love another" BS after coming here on the attack.
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. (revelation 22:18-19) Does the bible mention bahaullah? Is he perfect holy and without sin? did he perform mircles? Does his teachings follow those taugh by Jesus?
Funny you'd provide that particular quote as that is all you've been able to accomplish here so far- taking away and adding to what's already explicit. It's not for any of us to interpolate what that book contains; you really should stop doing that. You've added and taken away and are subject to the consequences; but whatever. So-called Christians can't seem to help themselves when it comes to this; it's quite astonishing really.
To answer your question: yes, yes, yes, and yes. Cheers.
The bible doesnt say anything about ANOTHER savior (Baha'u'llah) to come.. It says that Jesus would return, AND that when he did there would be the judgement of all mankind. So if people claim that baha'u'llah is this second coming, then the world would be over already, but it isnt.. So obviously something of this teaching does not correlate with the Bible. This vid mentions another books teaching, and galatians 1:8 says not to accept other books outside the bible
Why don't so-called Christians who visit here read the quotes they share? Gal1:8 doesn't say "not to accept other books outside the Bible"; it says that should anyone "preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.". Well you've done just that; you've thrice misrepresented the Bible in this one comment. i.e.-"the bible doesn't say anything about another savior to come". That's not true; you're preaching "another gospel". Good luck with that!
But of course.. it's not up to me to tell you how to teach.. I was just quite upset about seeing people from different religions argue and accuse eachother of not being good bahais etc. I felt I had to say something. Btw, I do find the vid quite interesting, because I love genealogy in general.
No worries; It's like Shoghi Effendi wrote, that through the spark of differing opinions the light of truth is revealed.
He too was very interested in this matter. In fact, he commissioned Dr. Grover Gonzales to compile a Genealogy of the Holy Family. It was his research that laid the foundation for the finished result that this video covering. Gonzales' research is hosted online at the Baha'i Research Library. You'll notice he didn't get to the bottom of it, but scratched the surface.
Why do you argue? God and His Faith does not need defending, just following, and following it means promoting unity and developing oneself, not arguing about genealogy and who's right.
We're not here arguing with people; we do respond to comments, both positive and negative. Do you have any comments about the content of this video, or just about how we comment about it?
But you're absolutely correct; God doesn't need defending. Thats why we should ask Jesus why he turned over money tables in the Temple defending his Father's House. Or why he took a whip to the money changers, right? Doesn't he know that God doesn't need us defending Him?
Because Jesus was a manifestation of God. In some ways He was/is God. We are mere humans.
I believe in the things said in the video, as long as they are truly provable. But I do not believe that the thruth of Baha'u'llah as the Manifestation for this age doesnt ride and fall on His genealogy. The truth of His mission will, as Queen Victoria said, show itself through time.
When you refer to "His Faith", you must be aware that many people have varying views on what that means. The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the Unity of Religion which is more fully established by this genealogy.
To follow the Faith means to also teach, & this video is a perfect example of "promoting unity".
How is it promoting unity by making people fight. Why not tell about the more important parts of the Bahai Faith, like the Principles or how it promotes individual search for the truth?
That's reasonable, but then again there are already a myriad of videos about the 12 principles, and unity of religion, aren't there? This subject is one not being covered.
Who is this clown, what is this idiotic thing he is wearing, and what is this bullcrap he is talking about? this shit doesnt explain anything, it only teaches us that protestant christians are dumb enough to believe anything. The divine standard is garbage, the earth is billions of years old.
Howdy Capn'. I'll skip your first couple questions as they appear rhetorical, and we can't speak for Protestant Christians, as there were none involved in making this video. But doesn't it make you feel superior to put them down. Good times!
Why do you think this video rejects the clear evidence that the earth is likely billions of years old? The Divine Standard is about the cousinry of the Divine Prophets. Where's the connection?
BTW, how'd you become a Capn' of anything at the wee age of 22?
Its pretty profound isn't it? It was compiled through exhaustive research over app. 15 years. We maintain it on one of our sites at bupc dot org / genealogy / genealogy-of-christ dot html. Feel free to contact us (or me) with any questions. Poke around the site while you're there; lots of fun stuff. Have fun.
You "don't believe"? This shows 1. you don't in fact know, & 2. aren't interested in any facts that may contradict what you "believe". The trinity/god incarnate lie was around long before Jesus; it was invented by Nimrod king of Babylon. This horrible lie has now taken true Christianity hostage, and you are its champion. And in true narcissist fashion you're now commanding the HS to show me visions of hell? Your powers are weak young Jedi; I had no visions of hell today, but thanks for trying.
Follow, We're not the ones visiting your channel to preach at you. It's apparent that your questions aren't sincere and that your cup is full. That's fine, but why are you here preaching at us? There is obviously no end to the rantings; you're moved by the Spirit, we get it. If you were to even acknowledge what we're saying instead of preaching your holier than thou rhetoric I might be bothered to respond. Unless you have a comment about this video, I think we've covered it all.
Follow, you've missed and turned away from many points throughout this discussion. Luke 24:44 for example where Jesus state explicitly he's not there. Your stinkin thinkin has you believing we reject Jesus as God for another as God? How did you receive that from us? WE DON"T BELIEVE ANY MAN IS GOD! "No man has seen God". That is pagan thinking that dates all the way back to Noah's son Nimrod who invented the Trinity. Look into the origins of your paganism.
I don't believe knowledge of paganism will get me into the Kingdom. I am going to ask God to show you hell. I am asking God right now to show you how to get out of hell. You need an experience with the living Jesus Christ, as your high lofty thinking is getting you a head but no heart. Any point I make is mute to you. Only the Holy Spirit can witness to you now.
You're right, knowledge of paganism won't get you into the kingdom, but LACK OF KNOWLEDGE will definitely keep you OUT, as God says in Hosea "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge". Your lack of knowledge is not a sin, but your refusal to investigate the truth of the origin of these concepts to gain knowledge is what leads to destruction.
I don't believe pagans ever thought man was God...that is God's right and he did do that. Adam was made in God's image. Adam was given authority over the earth, but Adam passed it on to the devil. Jesus was tempted by the devil also, but he kept the authority to make us in right standing with God, so that we now once again have authority in Jesus' name. Praise God Hallelujah! Jesus is Holy, he is King, he is Lord, he comes on the clouds with great glory!
It becomes more apparent every time you comment that you aren't going by what is in the scriptures, but only by what paid clergy have told you is true. What do you suppose the scriptures mean when referring to the "clouds"?
You "don't believe"? This shows 1. you don't in fact know, & 2. aren't interested in any facts that may contradict what you "believe". The trinity/god incarnate lie was around long before Jesus; it was invented by Nimrod king of Babylon. This horrible lie has now taken true Christianity hostage, and you are its champion. And in true narcissist fashion you're now commanding the HS to show me visions of hell? Your powers are weak young Jedi; I had no visions of hell today, but thanks for trying.
Good gracious, how did this hornet's nest get rattled. Look Ms. Follows, you have made the same case for Jesus that's well known and espoused every Sunday by paid clergyman around the world. We simply don't buy it as we read the Bible and think for ourselves. We don't pick and choose which verses we accept. We accept Jesus' own words that he's not God, attested to again and again, yet the sheeple ignore. Your job is done here. Thanks for sharing.
I have made it clear from the bible that Jesus alone is Lord...but you refuse, because you worship another god who is not God the Father. But if you seek His Kingdom and His Righteousness God will honor that. But be warned as it is possible to have zest for God without knowledge. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He rides on a white horse as seen by John and as we can study in Revelation 19.
Yes, we are aware of the return of Jesus on the white horse, as he is the Establisher of the Baha'i Faith (not Baha'u'llah) who fulfills all of the prophecies for the return of Jesus the High Priest, which is different from the 2nd Christ, who is the Everlasting Father (not God, but a potency of Revelation), just as Jesus became known as the "Son" when he was 30 yrs. old at his baptism.
I can tell you are irritated, but it makes me wonder why you "make it clear from the bible that Jesus alone is Lord". We accept and love Jesus, and we accept the teachings of the Bible. Don't you? Apparently you're selective. We showed you how he himself in a dozen verses denounces being God incarnate, but "a mediator between God and man", and that he was "ascending to *my* God, to your God", yet your pagan think overrides these plain truths. Thanks, but we don't need your teachings.
The whole bible is a collectionof books that add up to this one thing: that Jesus redeemed mankind by his blood and his stripes that he took on Calvary. You are warned-do not add or take away from this, Jesus said "it is finished." The wayis made to God once and for all. We do not just accept Jesus as good teacher, but as authority in all heaven and on earth. His enemies are being made a footstool to him.
Do you know what Jesus said his blood was? Also, do you think that when he said "it is finished" that he wouldn't return or that God was done with humanity? By the way, how DOES it feel to be under his feet?
Umm, Jesus never said no to someone who wanted to be saved, and I trust him for my righteousness, he has healed me, I am whole because of Jesus. I don't believe that Jesus' enemies are made of flesh and blood the same as my enemies are not of flesh and blood. So what you said indicates what you think of people who do not believe the same as you.
follow, your ideas fall like paper tigers in the face of the actual content of the Bible. The Holy Spirit also came upon John the Baptist's mother Elizabeth while she was pregnant; this before the event of Pentecost This was not an event which required Jesus' intervention but rather God sent down the H.S. again and again before Jesus ever came. Your teachers did you a great disservice in not explaining these things better, but instead cherry-picking the parts that support the Jesus-is-God myth.
"Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am" (John 8:58).
"Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord, and my God" (John 20:28).
The Holy Spirit is my teacher, just as I said, Jesus has baptized me in the Spirit just as he did on the day of Pentecost (books of Acts) I am endued with power on high, just like Jesus said I would be. I speak in other tongues and I am becoming more like Jesus daily as I spend time with the FAther.
You know, I'm also baptized in the Spirit, but the Spirit is telling me different things than you. The meaning of those verses is clarified by Jesus' own words, which we've shown again & again. You must be communing with the "other Jesus" Paul warns about (2 Cor. 11)
They were filled with the Holy Spirit, which is like the Rays of Light of the Sun reflected in the hearts & minds of true believers. The Messengers of God, such as Jesus, reflect the Light & Glory of God (Baha'u'llah) through their words, which are true. The apostles had a solidification of belief & began teaching in Hebrew, & all of the scattered Jews from various areas understood in their native (Hebrew) tongue.
Can you give scripture to back up what you believe about the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost please...nothing in the book of acts talks about the Rays of Light of the Sun.
That explanation comes from the "Spirit of Truth" who has brought us into all truth. I was using an analogy to explain something to you, something Jesus did often. Look, whether you accept it or not, the Bible ain't the end of God's Word to mankind. bupc dot org
follow, theres no need to get testy. I'm honestly not trying to "argue" or be disagreeable. You asked "how do you interpret 'In the beginning was the Word..', and I explained how. No one's "arguing" about anything; you asked, I've answered. You don't need to regurgitate every last bit of Christian doctrine; we know it well. We reject what you're saying as its not Biblical. Are you still asking sincere questions, or just looking to argue the case for why we should accept your Man-God?
Jesus has been given all power and authority and he sat down at the right hand of the Father...do you agree with this statement. Doesnt' sound like you ahve an alternate belief of what I am talking about. I wonder why...probably cuz you've never really read the new testament. And you certainly don't like that I am preaching the gospel!
Of course I agree with that statement, as it explicitly shows that Jesus didn't sit upon the throne of David, as the Father is the one seated upon the throne. Jesus sits at the right hand of Baha'u'llah. The "Father" is a potency of Revelation, not the Invisible Essence of God which is beyond any words to describe. This is why it says there will be a Messenger of God called the "Everlasting Father". Jesus was the Son.
Yes, it is copyrighted, & can be seen in entirety at bupc dot org. It was first published on the internet at the time of the 9-11, and has been stolen and altered by several individuals since that time. Some have gone so far as to cut it off at the leg & insert their own name in place of Baha'u'llah.
Very interesting. I've seen something similar w/ the mormons and in our Hawaiian history we have stories of the flood and the people who survived that flood. Now I can match the names to see if there's any relation between the meanings or other variation of names.
this is completly FALSE PEOPLE dont listen he said if its a relgion of man if you see how they all relate relgion is of the devil jesus spoke of a kingdom not religon all religon are fasle god doesnt care about religon but salvation
The connotation of the word "religion" has been tarnished by the horrible way people have corrupted true religion. "Religion" simply means "to bind together", like a bundle of sticks. It implies unity, & was never meant to be organized. Baha'u'llah is the King of the Kingdom, the return of Christ in the glory of the Father.
I agree salvador36213...there will be one world religion when the son of perdition is revealed. Perhaps this is that son of perdition God talked about...the bible is clear that the government would be on Jesus shoulders and that it was "finished" when he gave up his spirit and took back the keys to the Kingdom and gave them to Peter.
The prophecy (Isaiah 9) is for the Prince of Peace & Everlasting Father, not the Son who said "Think not that I have come to bring peace". The Everlasting Father brings the 1-world gov. of God, which is the Kingdom on earth, the ONLY 1-world government supported by the Bible. The "son of perdition" is worshiped in the temple of God as God. Between Baha'u'llah & your version of Jesus (the "other Jesus" of 2 Cor. 11), there's only 1 being worshiped
OH Jesus IS the Prince of Peace and the government is on his shoulders, but he cannot bring peace where the devil is, so that is why he said he did not bring peace, but a sword. A sword divides. He is dividing the people of his Kingdom from the people of the kingdom of darkness. And so you do not worship the Jesus who was born of Mary then???
Of course I don't worship "the man Jesus Christ", & he claimed NOT to be the Prince of Peace. That prophecy in no way can be said to refer to Jesus. He's the Son, not the Father, didn't bring a government, & NEVER sat upon the throne of King David, as the Davidic King during Jesus' ministry was Liunan bar Babutan living in Babylonian captivity. Who 1st told you Jesus was the Prince of Peace? And did you put money in their plate? If so, get it back.
Why would we "worship Jesus" when he himself said "Go away Satan, God *alone* is to be worshiped". Clearly you're well indoctrinated into the commonly held non-Biblical beliefs that most Christians who haven't read the Bible for themselves hold as true. All your concerns stem from this.
We seem to have touched a nerve, haven't we? This is why we usually stick to the topic of the video, as off-topic questions like these are all answered at bupc dot org, or uhj dot net.
People thought a lot of Baha'u'llah because he was a great man in his own right, in what he said and did, not because he was related to other great men and somehow automactically deserved respect. Maybe if your group focused on this rather than silly geneologies it might have more influence. Also, possibly spend some time looking at what actually brings all relgions together its certainly not in the literal truth of their myths (seeing as these vary massively), or your phoney family tree.
thejon, with such a vast knowledge of everything about every religion, why have you not even attempted to challenge the content of this video? Did you even watch it? Its rather rude to call this thoroughly researched genealogy 'phoney' without offering any reasoning or facts. How convenient to sit on the side and criticize. This shows the interrelated cousinry of all of God's messangers. What exactly is your problem with it?
The point of the video is that the Covenant of God to Abraham is fulfilled that Kings & a Multitude of Nations would come from him & all nations be blessed through him. The chart shows the Messengers through Abraham specifically, highlighting the line of David (kings) coming to Baha'u'llah & continuing in the Executive Branch (Aghsan) of the living descendents of David seated as president of the true UHJ (uhj dot net)
I was trying to show that every man, woman and child on this earth today are cousins if the story of the flood and Noah is true, as I believe it is. Therefore, I am not surprised.
As far as any prophesy conclusions and the UHJ goes...I'm listening.
The conclusion of the Covenant to Abraham, called the Everlasting Covenant, is that it is prophesied that the "multitude of nation" & the Davidic Kingship would come together to form the "House of the Lord" if Isaiah 2, which is none other than Baha'u'llah's UHJ with the Davidic King as its president (with a vote of 1 & no veto) continued...
The purpose of the living descendent of King David being seated as the president of the UHJ (uhj dot net) is so we can recognize the true Universal House of Justice of Baha'u'llah from all fakes, frauds & imitations. The UHJ or "House of the Lord" is the Center of the Kingdom of God on earth.
nyplowboy, why would you presume I hadn't heard of the flood? The comment of mine you quoted in context was to someone criticizing this genealogy chart with generalities calling it a "phoney family tree" for Baha'u'llah. Rather it's a family tree showing every descendant of King David's line down to Baha'u'llah, but even more impressively showing the descendancy of all the family lines of every Manifestation of God's (the founders of the world's religions).
I was trying to point out that the scriptures tell us of the flood and we all descend from Noah. Therefore, we are all cousins. The genealogy chart is nice but not necessary to prove cousinry.
nyplowboy, the genealogy chart wasn't created to "prove" the cousinry. It shows like nothing before it the exact interrelatedness of their families, instead of the general "we're all family" concept. KM's jab implies it's "phoney" without providing any proof for the comment. In fact the family lineage was derived from 15 years of exhaustive research which proves he's the heir David's throne. Or one could say, "we're all family"; whichever suites ya.
It is questionable whether Noah is even truth, read the epic of Gilgamesh and you will understand why the name Noah is questionable. Ultimately I wonder what does the name Noah mean, I do not know, but it may help to understand why it was chosen as the name.
I have read both the story of noah and the epic of gilgamesh, and noticed the story seems constant between both, it is just the names give me confusion of which one might be the actual person involved, I am not really saying it did not happen, I am just saying it could be of a different name than most of us had originally heard.
Noah's name varies depending on which of the 6 languages the author of the flood story is telling it in. He's Ziusudra to the Sumerians, Noah to the Hebrews, etc. But the flood is archaeologically proven to have happened, this is universally accepted. What's in question are some of the "big fish" stories that have embellished it. It's not likely to have been a worldwide deluges, but limited the region of Sumeria. Go to flood-myths dot com for in depth analysis between the varying stories.
I'm thinking that your answer is that differences exist in religions because they have been made fit for their age, maybe its time to look at why your believing in the literal truth of myths of selected religions from a bygone age? To me it seems that it is to justify your side of an argument in a power struggle, and in doing so your doing exactly what was done to Cristanity after Christs death, distorting its message in order to gain influence for your group.
You're correct that God's Messengers (Who actually exist in Reality) bring Revelations in which only the laws & ordinances change for each age, as the spiritual message remains the same, i.e. The Golden Rule. How is Baha'u'llah's message being "distorted" here? He proclaimed His lineage from David, showing He was a Christ. Do you know what "Christ" means?
So are we saying that this family tree encompasses the entire span of human history? If your gonna use a judeo-cristian-islamic creation myth to construct your tree and proclaim the oneness of religion, maybe you should look at how Buddist and Hindu creation myths (which are part of the same oneness you talk of but don't really see) contridict your family tree.
This is not based on a "creation myth". Baha'is don't accept a literal 6000 year old creation, but over the last 6000 years, humanity has taken new steps of a spiritual evolution, beginning with the one we call Adam, also called Zadok, & spanning until today with the coming of Baha'u'llah, who is a Christ BECAUSE of His genealogy.
where can i find the descendants of wandalus? he was son of negno, son of alanus, son of rea sylvia, son ofnume pamphylius, son of ascanius, son of aeneas, son of anchises, son of tros, son of dardanus, son of flire, son of juvan, son of japhet, son of Noah?
The chart in this video (bupc dot org) focuses on the genealogies of the 9 Manifestations of God in this last 6000 yr. cycle, those prophesied Divine Messengers. Of course this chart could branch off further, but is not necessary for the point being made. All I've found of wandalus is some connection with Poland.
can anyone explain to me why Shoghi Effendi is not with in this video? He was the great grandson of Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith. He was the child of a marriage that united the lines of Abraham. Why isnt he mentioned?
Good question. Shoghi Effendi is on this genealogy chart, but the focus is on the male line of King David continuing through Baha'u'llah & 'Abdu'l-Baha. Shoghi Effendi was the "unique" guardian, not seated upon David's throne. 'Abdu'l-Baha's only Son and Aghsan inherited the throne & today the great-grandson of 'Abdu'l-Baha is on the throne as the Executive Branch of the UHJ of Baha'u'llah. uhj dot net
Who are you that anyone should pay any attention to your slander? Name one specific thing in this video which doesn't "represent the Baha'is". Do you have any substance to back up your claim?
God bless you adamjacob, you are very educated and well read, please keep following the truth and proclaiming it! Even though it is hard to feed meat to a baby. The truth will always prevail in the end!
While someone can claim God is unwilling to become a man, they cannot say it is impossible. Like their counterpart Islam they deny this is possible, but God is able to do all things. The Scriptures (the Bible) say he would become a man and visit his people, and die for their sins. Isaiah 63:8 ... " so he became their savior in all their affliction he was afflicted and the messenger of his presence saved them."
First of all, this chapter is about Baha'u'llah, Who's Revelation is refered to as the "Red Robe" and Who Himself wore a red robe as stated earlier in the chapter. This is a prophecy about the coming of the "Everlasting Father" spoken of in Isaiah 9, which is Baha'u'llah.
It can only be deduced by your unwillingness to point out anything wrong with this video that your earlier statement is completely unfounded and without merit. I don't know what you're talking about and God does help me. Put forth your proof.
Are you referring to the Official website of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice? That's certainly no reason to say this video doesn't "represent Baha'is" as the UHJ is the prophesied House of Lord in Isaiah 2 and the Authoritative successor in the Baha'i Covenant, recognized by the living Aghsan descendent of King David as its Executive Branch.
The Bahá'í's claim that they uphold the Bible but what they actually do is reinterpret it so that it no longer means what the writers had intended. " For god to descend into the conditions of existence would be the greatest of imperfection's.
"For no one has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 1:18 Jesus Christ is the Intermediary between God and mankind, NOT God in the flesh. Jesus denied being God, "Why call me good? None is good but God alone."
How do you explain this verse..."Inthe beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" (emphasis mine)...sounds like Jesus who is referred as the Word in many quotations, is also God then...wouldn't you say?
Sorry, but Jesus is never "referred to as the Word". Jn1:1 says "the Word was God". Here Word,or Logos in Greek,lit. means "thoughts expressed in words".Vrs.14 says "the Word became flesh &dwelt among us full of *grace and truth*".Then in vrs.17:"grace and truth came through Jesus Christ".So John describes the Word as "grace & truth" then says this grace and truth "dwelt in" &"came through" Jesus. So Jesus revealed the Word which dwelt in him,see?It doesn't mean he's God,nor imply it.
"The Word BECAME flesh" can be argued all day if that's what you think. I worship Jesus because it's in his name that we do what he did while he was in the flesh. Jesus gave his disciples the power and authority over demons, to heal diseases, and they were to preach in his name. There is ONE name given among men and his is the name of the FAther, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Actually, the "name" in which all are saved & have authority is Jesus' inherited name from his Father, as it says "he hath by INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name". This name is the name of the Everlasting Father, the "new name" Jesus says he returns in (Rev. 3:12). That name is Baha'u'llah.
No, "the Word became flesh" needs no debate. The only people who would argue its explicit meaning are those uneducated in the context and meaning of the whole chapter. "The Word" in Greek is "Logos", which lit. means God's thoughts expressed in words. He also says "no man has seen God..., but [Jesus] has made Him known". Get it?
You just said "his is the name of the F,S,&H.S." So Jesus' is the name of these three? Please provide the text for that; it's a new doctrine I'm unfamiliar with.
"His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Isaias 9:6) when speaking of the baby to be born.
"But the author of life you killed..." (Acts 3:15) says Peter of the crucifiction.
The ONLY part of Isaiah 9:6-7 that Jesus could POSSIBLY fulfill is that he was "born" and was a "son", which can also refer to every other man ever born. The rest is so far from referring to Jesus, but the people have been taught the wrong way for centuries by money-making clergy that they don't think for themselves. BTW, it's not "Father of the world to come" What the heck translation is that?
"Father of the world to come" or "everlasting FAther"...it is clearly a passage being fulfilled by one baby...Isaiah 9...it says a baby, then the pronoun "he" which would refer to the noun before which is "baby"..it doesn't get much clearer.
Are you suggesting that Jesus was the only man to have ever been a baby? Baha'u'llah fufills every detail of this prophecy. His name means "glory of the Father", where Jesus was the Son. He sat upon the throne of King David, Jesus did not. Baha'u'llah brought God's Plan for a world government, the Kingdom on earth. Jesus did not.
A baby is to be born,it's a prophecy, and then fulfilled as spoken of in Luke's gospel and Matthew's gospel. Jesus spoke of the Kingdom being at hand and right before he ascended he said Acts 2:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." 9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. No need for another Christ.
Actually, Jesus said "my kingdom is NOT of this world" but told us to pray for the coming Kingdom, the Kingdom of the Father (Everlasting Father), the actual government from God recognized by the throne of King David. Whether you think there is a need for another Christ or not, God prophesied that there would be. If you want to argue with God, go ahead. I'm just here to educate.
Thats certainly the commonly held belief, but as its already been repeatedly explained here we don't accept that notion; why are you now repeating yourself ad nauseum about this? We don't accept that because NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS APPLIES TO HIM. He wasn't "upon the throne of David", nor ever will be. He denied it was his role to bring a government or peace (matt10:34), and he was the Son, not the Father. Repeatedly insisting its about him will not miraculously change this reality.
You are switching the prophecies told of Jesus to this new god because of a geneology. "Dont' listen to men with their endless geneologies" Itwas Jesus, not your god, who read fromthe scroll thus fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 61 "The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon me..." Jesus sent his HolySpirit to endue the believer with power, your god simply said some good things..No power in your thinking, no power in your acting, there's nothing that will save you with the power of Baha
Baha'u'llah is NOT a "god". This is your skewed perspective. The verses from Paul about genealogies pertained to very specific events at that time & place, as we are OBVIOUSLY not to pay no attention to the genealogies of the Bible, right? Now enough already. Paul says "Come, let us reason together". You seem to be getting more & more irrate. Are you ok?
Oh yes, the old 1 John 5:7 verse. Sorry, but every scholar agrees that verse was added to the text circa 1520. It's known as the "Comma Johanneum". Don't take my word, look it up. It's a well known fact that its one of the insertions perpetrated on the Bible. The "three in one" Godhead is a fabrication of the Church. It's simply not Biblical. "I am ascending to my God, to your God."
That the FAther, Son, and Holy Spirit are one is implicitly seen all throughthe New Testament...each one is different and belonging together to complete the Godhead. You can't believe that because your precious Beelzebub pardon the spelling is not included in that trinity. Salvation is found in none other than Jesus Christ, the Name of the FAther, Son and Holy Spirit. How do you even preach a gospel to people? What do you say? Is there a video of your gospel?
The word "gospel" means "good news" & Jesus always explained that is was the "good news of the Kingdom" which he told us to pray for in the Lord's Prayer. The gospel is the same today, & is fully realized now on earth as in heaven. The gates are always open. uhj dot net
Do people get healed and delivered of demons and set free from oppression, do the blind see when you preach this gospel? What does the gospel mean to people in their lives? Is this gospel because of a geneology, or becasue of what Jesus did on the cross (he said "It is finished")
The gospel is preached in power, with confirmations that it is true. Jesus said it is finished, he did something about the problem of sin and the resulting condemnation we were under by the FAther. Yours is a dead religion, with a haughtiness about it that does not let the ordinary sinner in. That is not the Gospel. Jesus did not heal those who thought they were too good for him, but he does heal those who come to him.
That's funny, for the ONLY legit. verse I've seen is that they were told to baptize in the names of those 3, but NOT that they are all God. That concept (trinity) comes from ancient Babylon & was voted into organized christianity in 325 AD at the council of Nicea. Don't the people read about their own beliefs?
All through the New Testament the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all "in each other"...I also, am "in them" so I am now one with them in definition and so that means something in my reality. In Him, I move, and live and have my being. This is the mystery that is now known, Jesus had this planned fromthe beginning.
Like I said, it's not his first name, but his last, which is inherited from the Father. Hebrews 1:4 says that he has "inherited" a greater name. This is his prophesied "new name" in Revelation 3:12. Do you deny that he said he would come in a "new name"?
What Jesus promises, he will deliver. He will write a new name on him who does not lose his crown. Jesus will fulfill that. But read this Hebrews 19:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus," A new name will be a new name of Jesus, not another person descended further down a geneologicial tree. That's a new "christ", not a new "name"!
Your adding to the text. It says "my own new name", and just as John the Baptist is the return of Elijah, which Jesus explains, so why do you have a different expectation for "return" other than the way Jesus explained it? The Bible is clear that there will be 2 Christs, 2 "anointed ones" (Zech. 4:14)
Furthermore, the Holy Spirit came and fell on his followers and they spoke in other tongues and were filled with power and went out preaching in the authority of Jesus name! They were given the power to stand up to persecution and toment, and eventually being murdered for their faith in various ways. Antichrists were warned about in the scriptures who would try to replace Jesus, and that is what is happening with this new christ.
Your thinking is futile and filled with nonsense...beside the point. There is no power of God in this belief. Tell me this, I bet you try on your own to live up to this religion so that you will be deemed a good person. That's all I hear on here. Your "peace" is like cowdung to God. He knows what real peace is, and it aint ignoring people and declaring peace.
It's all about God's grace. Grace in the greek refers to the Bread & Wine, which the Bible says are the teachings & the Covenant. It is through the Covenant of God that we are saved.
Great video and I'm saving this to favs! I knew that all these religions were connected somehow, but I didn't have the understanding. Now, I do and I thank you. Very informative!
mia0899cs 10 months ago
My mind has just been blown. I've been trying to correlate the bloodline between Christ and Adam. But I guess I wasnt thinking big enough lol! I understand that these religions are all related but I didnt know of such an actual blood line relation. Amazing! Checking out the sites right now!! :)
ToriRaeLolita 10 months ago
with whom did Cain and Abel (and Seth if you insist) parent their offspring, teacher?
seahog32 1 year ago
Very informative. It requires an open and searching mind to appreciate. Thank you
fsmtdaler 1 year ago
What´s more, Joseph Smith was a Navi Sheker!
FabioBonafide 1 year ago
Excuse me, Sir, with all the respect to your person about your intentions.
What do you tell me about JC descending from Yehochoniah? If yeshu is said not to be carnally part of Joseph (as did every descendant) why ever is his genealogy taken in spot in the first place? Isn´t it a contradiction to highlight his genealogy to prove him divine? One good thing about your reasearch: God of Israel and the universe is only one: Hashem.
FabioBonafide 1 year ago
the USA supreme court ruled during the 1980s that the jews are a distinct race just like how the Italians are a distinct race. Most people who call themselves jews are total atheists such as Woody Allen and Sam Harris. The illegal state of Israel was founded in 1948 by atheist jews from europe not by religious jews. The only real religion of the jews is mammon.
ForTheArticles 1 year ago
This chart is good for only one thing, wiping you arse. It should last you at least a month.
SLORRIFJART321 2 years ago
Where did you get this stuff? INfo? where?
MrNeosoul99 2 years ago
This is just heretical.. yep its rubbish
dldnjswns99 2 years ago
so who in present day is descendant from this dynasty
IamPerplexity 2 years ago
you can say it in one word GARBAGE
green971 2 years ago
I think I found an error in that chart. Haji Muhammad Rida-Big(great great grandfather of Bahaullah)'s father was Aqa Muhammad Ali, not Aqa Fakhr
thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
Enoch didnt teach american indians there were no american indians at that time. A prophet named Lehi and his children and wife who were descendants of Joseph son of Isreal, sailed to what we know as america right before Jerusalem was taken and destroyed at about 600 bc. In the LDS faith Jesus returned to not only the East but also to America where he taught the natives about his truth.
ssursamoht 2 years ago
Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon is a forgery and a fake, and there is not one shred of evidence to show otherwise. It is on faith alone that the followers of LDS must accept the Book of Mormon, for not one copy of the the alleged golden tablets exists. Joseph Smith was a charlatan that was run out of every town he ever set foot in. The history found in the Book of Mormon is no history at all, but a fanciful tale that can't be corroborated by one single shred of evidence. We go by facts here.
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago 3
this video is total bullshit. You simply can't make a genealogy from fictional characters.
robertangel30 2 years ago
@robertangel30 Yes. Yes you can.
thegreatcheesedemon 1 year ago
I don't know about this video. This sounds a little heretical.
vekl 2 years ago
Like what?
thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
"Contrary to what most people have been indoctrinated with, Judaism,
Christianity and Islam are relatively new religions. Humanity goes
back tens of thousands of years. These three have worked relentlessly
to keep us from spiritual knowledge and using this power, of which all
of us have."
w w w . e x p o s i n g c h r i s t i a n i t y . c o m
(with out the spaces)
JOSCHILD 2 years ago
cool, thanks for the spam. it seems you didn't watch the video?
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
hello, this was a great video, i have never really known the connection form the line of abrham to baha'u'llah, and i'm a baha'i !, lol.
great vidoe
masterbreti 3 years ago
Well, I don't suppose many Baha'is alive today do. It was common knowledge to early Baha'is as indicated in Lua Gestinger's Pilgrim Note: "I stood breathless as I wait to behold the face of the Prince of David, the Prince of the whole world" [speaking of Abdul'Baha]. This was common knowledge back then, but ever since the Hands hijacked the Faith in 1957, these details were set aside when they set aside the Guardianship. The point is that his descendant is alive today, & the current Guardian.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
h is a hillbilly name
nuttybar9 3 years ago
ive never seen in the bible mentioning enoch going to americas to educate native americans he should have put proof in this video of that.
lilbunnyboy 3 years ago
It doesn't; it just says "Enoch walked with God", so we know he left Egypt. The evidence in Central America that Egyptians were there is overwhelming; Quetzalcoatl is the Feathered Serpent from the Eastern Seas and brought them their religions, pyramid building skills, etc. Also there were giant ocean going vessel found buried in front of the Great Pyramid. There is no specific verses saying Enoch did all this, but how else did granite from Wisconsin wind up in the Great Pyramid's Kings Chamber?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
you know what i was told that jeuse was the one who speaken about the american throught the LDS church
don77sicily 2 years ago
where did cain and abels wives come from...
professorweegie 3 years ago
Abel didn't have a wife; he was killed by Cain. Then according to Genesis4:16 Cain went out from Eden to the land of Nod and found his wife among the people their. According to the Bible itself there were people around outside of Eden all the while.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Okay, This is really strange but I heard there was a city called enoch in Utah. Memphis tennesse is pretty interesting too because Memphis was pretty much a place in egypt, right? I mean who names these places?
mediahellgod 3 years ago
Enoch they say educated native americans and so forth. I find this very interesting on the mystery of ancient times and mythology and religion and such. As for Seth, you can find him in egyptian mythology as he is called set and considered the third son of the one they call nut. It's interesting the similar stories you can find resembling Jesus from times before christ...(B.C.)
shadowjoker8 3 years ago
I'm not sure we can put much stock in the book of Enoch since no one can verify the version we have today is any older than 3rd cent. BC.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
If Enoch was the third generation from Adam, who did he build the great pyramid of Giza with? I mean, all of a sudden we have an explosion of population! And how could he have travelled to the Americas educating the natives - where did that population suddenly spring from?!
Perhaps God pulled off some other creation trick which the Bible forgot to mention.
Can't you believers think with any degree of logic?
psandbergnz 3 years ago
Adam was not the 1st man God created. This is taught in the Bible; in Genesis 4:17 Cain leaves Eden & goes east to the land of Nod & takes a wife. So we know people were living outside of Eden at this time. Adam was the first God-conscious person, & the 1st in a series of Divine Messengers to teach of the Invisible Creator. I don't think we devoted enough time in this video to this topic you raise, but w/ only 10 minutes you have to stay focused. It'll be the topic of another video. Stay tuned.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jeffmich, interesting point you make, but I suspect fraught with difficulties. From a Christian point of you, I think your account presents problems, namely: original sin (requiring Christ's atoning sacrifice on the cross) would surely only apply to the descendants of Adam, who were chased out of the garden of Eden, and not e.g. the native Indians, who would have been innocent of Adam's disobedience.
psandbergnz 3 years ago
Well actually we're not Christians here, & frankly I believe their point of view often contradicts Scripture. You're certainly entitled to your beliefs, but the reason I disagree is that 'original sin' is not a teaching of them Bible; at least not one as explicit as the Church presents. The story you're referring to is a parable, not an account of an actual event. As I mentioned, even the Bible acknowledges in several ways that people were around outside of Eden, so Adam wasn't lit. the 1st man.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Now you know God put Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, so Cain was not leaving Eden at all.
Sheall323 3 years ago
The Eden that they left was not the literal Eden.
thegreatcheesedemon 1 year ago
when i mentioned Gal 1:8, it speaks of how we shouldnt be preaching anything that is not in the bible.. Thus not accepting outside sources of information, because the bible is sufficient enough. i think youve misinterpreted what i said about another savior coming. Yes there is another coming, but not of a new savior.. The next coming is to come and judge the world. Basically what im saying is to only follow what scripture says, i suggest that everyone observe it themselves carefully
atomicsoda88 3 years ago
WOW! This channel seems to attract 19-year-old-know-it-alls like fly paper. How would us grown-ups get on without you brilliant teenagers pointing out how stupid we all are?
Aside from paraphrasing this verse incorrectly, your conjecture about it is also flawed. The "gospel" is not the same as the Bible, per se. The Bible didn't exist when Paul wrote this. Gospel means "good news". You're saying there's no other "good news" outside the Bible, but that's not what it says. You're adding again.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
what exactly do u believe in? Because i can tell by the way you have been sarcastically writing, that you are not a Christian. I could understand if you were an atheist because in all my experience working, and speaking with people from other religions, i have not once ran into a guy who thinks he is superior to another, or knows everything. Yes i understand that i maybe misusing my words, but the big picture is that all good can only come from God, and not man.
atomicsoda88 3 years ago
Are we to follow Mohamed, Buddah, Krishna, and other books of teachings like the book of mormons, the koran? But then all religions would have to be right, correct? And i want to make it a point, to make this a peaceful conversation. I dont think one should judge one's spiritual maturity by age. And please dont put words in my mouth, because i never said i am a "know at all" or call anyone "stupid". I think we should both soften our hearts,& not resort 2 cutting each other down. Don't you agree?
atomicsoda88 3 years ago
Agreed. None of those guys started religions; rather they brought a Revelation from the same God. It was their believers formed their respective religions. A comparison of their actual teachings makes one thing clear- they all proclaim and profess, and worship the same God. It's so-called Christians who later deified Jesus- that's not a teaching in his Gospel. It's so-called Hindus who later deified Krishan, etc. Mohamad accepted Jesus and Moses- there's but one God, and we're all his children.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
What would have said to Jesus if you'd witnessed him screaming at the clergy "O YE HYPOCRITES!"? Now I'm not comparing myself to him in any way, but merely pointing out that Jesus himself is the example that we're not all to be tolerant of BS. And that's what you're providing us here. You've come here attacking our video with flawed reasoning, and misrepresenting what the verses you quote actually state. Don't pull the old "can't we all just love another" BS after coming here on the attack.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. (revelation 22:18-19) Does the bible mention bahaullah? Is he perfect holy and without sin? did he perform mircles? Does his teachings follow those taugh by Jesus?
atomicsoda88 3 years ago
Funny you'd provide that particular quote as that is all you've been able to accomplish here so far- taking away and adding to what's already explicit. It's not for any of us to interpolate what that book contains; you really should stop doing that. You've added and taken away and are subject to the consequences; but whatever. So-called Christians can't seem to help themselves when it comes to this; it's quite astonishing really.
To answer your question: yes, yes, yes, and yes. Cheers.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Jesus is the one true way,
The bible doesnt say anything about ANOTHER savior (Baha'u'llah) to come.. It says that Jesus would return, AND that when he did there would be the judgement of all mankind. So if people claim that baha'u'llah is this second coming, then the world would be over already, but it isnt.. So obviously something of this teaching does not correlate with the Bible. This vid mentions another books teaching, and galatians 1:8 says not to accept other books outside the bible
atomicsoda88 3 years ago
Why don't so-called Christians who visit here read the quotes they share? Gal1:8 doesn't say "not to accept other books outside the Bible"; it says that should anyone "preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.". Well you've done just that; you've thrice misrepresented the Bible in this one comment. i.e.-"the bible doesn't say anything about another savior to come". That's not true; you're preaching "another gospel". Good luck with that!
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
But of course.. it's not up to me to tell you how to teach.. I was just quite upset about seeing people from different religions argue and accuse eachother of not being good bahais etc. I felt I had to say something. Btw, I do find the vid quite interesting, because I love genealogy in general.
AdemiaDracka 3 years ago
No worries; It's like Shoghi Effendi wrote, that through the spark of differing opinions the light of truth is revealed.
He too was very interested in this matter. In fact, he commissioned Dr. Grover Gonzales to compile a Genealogy of the Holy Family. It was his research that laid the foundation for the finished result that this video covering. Gonzales' research is hosted online at the Baha'i Research Library. You'll notice he didn't get to the bottom of it, but scratched the surface.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Yes, I remember seeing a chart of His lineage in Akka.
AdemiaDracka 3 years ago
Why do you argue? God and His Faith does not need defending, just following, and following it means promoting unity and developing oneself, not arguing about genealogy and who's right.
AdemiaDracka 3 years ago
ademia,
We're not here arguing with people; we do respond to comments, both positive and negative. Do you have any comments about the content of this video, or just about how we comment about it?
But you're absolutely correct; God doesn't need defending. Thats why we should ask Jesus why he turned over money tables in the Temple defending his Father's House. Or why he took a whip to the money changers, right? Doesn't he know that God doesn't need us defending Him?
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Because Jesus was a manifestation of God. In some ways He was/is God. We are mere humans.
I believe in the things said in the video, as long as they are truly provable. But I do not believe that the thruth of Baha'u'llah as the Manifestation for this age doesnt ride and fall on His genealogy. The truth of His mission will, as Queen Victoria said, show itself through time.
AdemiaDracka 3 years ago
Ademia,
Who's arguing in this video?
When you refer to "His Faith", you must be aware that many people have varying views on what that means. The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the Unity of Religion which is more fully established by this genealogy.
To follow the Faith means to also teach, & this video is a perfect example of "promoting unity".
adamjacob9 3 years ago
How is it promoting unity by making people fight. Why not tell about the more important parts of the Bahai Faith, like the Principles or how it promotes individual search for the truth?
AdemiaDracka 3 years ago
That's reasonable, but then again there are already a myriad of videos about the 12 principles, and unity of religion, aren't there? This subject is one not being covered.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Who is this clown, what is this idiotic thing he is wearing, and what is this bullcrap he is talking about? this shit doesnt explain anything, it only teaches us that protestant christians are dumb enough to believe anything. The divine standard is garbage, the earth is billions of years old.
CapnMak 3 years ago
Howdy Capn'. I'll skip your first couple questions as they appear rhetorical, and we can't speak for Protestant Christians, as there were none involved in making this video. But doesn't it make you feel superior to put them down. Good times!
Why do you think this video rejects the clear evidence that the earth is likely billions of years old? The Divine Standard is about the cousinry of the Divine Prophets. Where's the connection?
BTW, how'd you become a Capn' of anything at the wee age of 22?
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Cap,
It would seem that you didn't watch the whole video before commenting. What do "protestant christians" have to do with anything in this video?
Who said anything about the earth not being billions of years old?
Next time, watch the whole video, & if you have questions, ask.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
The whole point is this chart is baloney, you'd find more truth in the genealogy of luke skywalker.
CapnMak 3 years ago
Cap,
The genealogy of Baha'u'llah is completely historically accurate & proven. It is based on decades of research & study.
Baha'u'llah comes from royalty. They kept good records. Have you looked into it?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
This genealogy chart is great! Where can I get one?
JawlyRogers 4 years ago
Its pretty profound isn't it? It was compiled through exhaustive research over app. 15 years. We maintain it on one of our sites at bupc dot org / genealogy / genealogy-of-christ dot html. Feel free to contact us (or me) with any questions. Poke around the site while you're there; lots of fun stuff. Have fun.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
You "don't believe"? This shows 1. you don't in fact know, & 2. aren't interested in any facts that may contradict what you "believe". The trinity/god incarnate lie was around long before Jesus; it was invented by Nimrod king of Babylon. This horrible lie has now taken true Christianity hostage, and you are its champion. And in true narcissist fashion you're now commanding the HS to show me visions of hell? Your powers are weak young Jedi; I had no visions of hell today, but thanks for trying.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
Follow, We're not the ones visiting your channel to preach at you. It's apparent that your questions aren't sincere and that your cup is full. That's fine, but why are you here preaching at us? There is obviously no end to the rantings; you're moved by the Spirit, we get it. If you were to even acknowledge what we're saying instead of preaching your holier than thou rhetoric I might be bothered to respond. Unless you have a comment about this video, I think we've covered it all.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
Follow, you've missed and turned away from many points throughout this discussion. Luke 24:44 for example where Jesus state explicitly he's not there. Your stinkin thinkin has you believing we reject Jesus as God for another as God? How did you receive that from us? WE DON"T BELIEVE ANY MAN IS GOD! "No man has seen God". That is pagan thinking that dates all the way back to Noah's son Nimrod who invented the Trinity. Look into the origins of your paganism.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
I don't believe knowledge of paganism will get me into the Kingdom. I am going to ask God to show you hell. I am asking God right now to show you how to get out of hell. You need an experience with the living Jesus Christ, as your high lofty thinking is getting you a head but no heart. Any point I make is mute to you. Only the Holy Spirit can witness to you now.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
You're right, knowledge of paganism won't get you into the kingdom, but LACK OF KNOWLEDGE will definitely keep you OUT, as God says in Hosea "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge". Your lack of knowledge is not a sin, but your refusal to investigate the truth of the origin of these concepts to gain knowledge is what leads to destruction.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
I don't believe pagans ever thought man was God...that is God's right and he did do that. Adam was made in God's image. Adam was given authority over the earth, but Adam passed it on to the devil. Jesus was tempted by the devil also, but he kept the authority to make us in right standing with God, so that we now once again have authority in Jesus' name. Praise God Hallelujah! Jesus is Holy, he is King, he is Lord, he comes on the clouds with great glory!
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
It becomes more apparent every time you comment that you aren't going by what is in the scriptures, but only by what paid clergy have told you is true. What do you suppose the scriptures mean when referring to the "clouds"?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
You "don't believe"? This shows 1. you don't in fact know, & 2. aren't interested in any facts that may contradict what you "believe". The trinity/god incarnate lie was around long before Jesus; it was invented by Nimrod king of Babylon. This horrible lie has now taken true Christianity hostage, and you are its champion. And in true narcissist fashion you're now commanding the HS to show me visions of hell? Your powers are weak young Jedi; I had no visions of hell today, but thanks for trying.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
Good gracious, how did this hornet's nest get rattled. Look Ms. Follows, you have made the same case for Jesus that's well known and espoused every Sunday by paid clergyman around the world. We simply don't buy it as we read the Bible and think for ourselves. We don't pick and choose which verses we accept. We accept Jesus' own words that he's not God, attested to again and again, yet the sheeple ignore. Your job is done here. Thanks for sharing.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
I have made it clear from the bible that Jesus alone is Lord...but you refuse, because you worship another god who is not God the Father. But if you seek His Kingdom and His Righteousness God will honor that. But be warned as it is possible to have zest for God without knowledge. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He rides on a white horse as seen by John and as we can study in Revelation 19.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Yes, we are aware of the return of Jesus on the white horse, as he is the Establisher of the Baha'i Faith (not Baha'u'llah) who fulfills all of the prophecies for the return of Jesus the High Priest, which is different from the 2nd Christ, who is the Everlasting Father (not God, but a potency of Revelation), just as Jesus became known as the "Son" when he was 30 yrs. old at his baptism.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
I can tell you are irritated, but it makes me wonder why you "make it clear from the bible that Jesus alone is Lord". We accept and love Jesus, and we accept the teachings of the Bible. Don't you? Apparently you're selective. We showed you how he himself in a dozen verses denounces being God incarnate, but "a mediator between God and man", and that he was "ascending to *my* God, to your God", yet your pagan think overrides these plain truths. Thanks, but we don't need your teachings.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
The whole bible is a collectionof books that add up to this one thing: that Jesus redeemed mankind by his blood and his stripes that he took on Calvary. You are warned-do not add or take away from this, Jesus said "it is finished." The wayis made to God once and for all. We do not just accept Jesus as good teacher, but as authority in all heaven and on earth. His enemies are being made a footstool to him.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Do you know what Jesus said his blood was? Also, do you think that when he said "it is finished" that he wouldn't return or that God was done with humanity? By the way, how DOES it feel to be under his feet?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Umm, Jesus never said no to someone who wanted to be saved, and I trust him for my righteousness, he has healed me, I am whole because of Jesus. I don't believe that Jesus' enemies are made of flesh and blood the same as my enemies are not of flesh and blood. So what you said indicates what you think of people who do not believe the same as you.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow, your ideas fall like paper tigers in the face of the actual content of the Bible. The Holy Spirit also came upon John the Baptist's mother Elizabeth while she was pregnant; this before the event of Pentecost This was not an event which required Jesus' intervention but rather God sent down the H.S. again and again before Jesus ever came. Your teachers did you a great disservice in not explaining these things better, but instead cherry-picking the parts that support the Jesus-is-God myth.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
"Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am" (John 8:58).
"Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord, and my God" (John 20:28).
The Holy Spirit is my teacher, just as I said, Jesus has baptized me in the Spirit just as he did on the day of Pentecost (books of Acts) I am endued with power on high, just like Jesus said I would be. I speak in other tongues and I am becoming more like Jesus daily as I spend time with the FAther.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
You know, I'm also baptized in the Spirit, but the Spirit is telling me different things than you. The meaning of those verses is clarified by Jesus' own words, which we've shown again & again. You must be communing with the "other Jesus" Paul warns about (2 Cor. 11)
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Ok, what happened at pentecost in your understanding?
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
They were filled with the Holy Spirit, which is like the Rays of Light of the Sun reflected in the hearts & minds of true believers. The Messengers of God, such as Jesus, reflect the Light & Glory of God (Baha'u'llah) through their words, which are true. The apostles had a solidification of belief & began teaching in Hebrew, & all of the scattered Jews from various areas understood in their native (Hebrew) tongue.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
"For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Jesus said
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
Can you give scripture to back up what you believe about the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost please...nothing in the book of acts talks about the Rays of Light of the Sun.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
That explanation comes from the "Spirit of Truth" who has brought us into all truth. I was using an analogy to explain something to you, something Jesus did often. Look, whether you accept it or not, the Bible ain't the end of God's Word to mankind. bupc dot org
adamjacob9 4 years ago
follow, theres no need to get testy. I'm honestly not trying to "argue" or be disagreeable. You asked "how do you interpret 'In the beginning was the Word..', and I explained how. No one's "arguing" about anything; you asked, I've answered. You don't need to regurgitate every last bit of Christian doctrine; we know it well. We reject what you're saying as its not Biblical. Are you still asking sincere questions, or just looking to argue the case for why we should accept your Man-God?
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
Jesus has been given all power and authority and he sat down at the right hand of the Father...do you agree with this statement. Doesnt' sound like you ahve an alternate belief of what I am talking about. I wonder why...probably cuz you've never really read the new testament. And you certainly don't like that I am preaching the gospel!
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Of course I agree with that statement, as it explicitly shows that Jesus didn't sit upon the throne of David, as the Father is the one seated upon the throne. Jesus sits at the right hand of Baha'u'llah. The "Father" is a potency of Revelation, not the Invisible Essence of God which is beyond any words to describe. This is why it says there will be a Messenger of God called the "Everlasting Father". Jesus was the Son.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
What does this have to do with the gospel of Christ?
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Everything! The gospel of Christ is the good news of the coming Kingdom, which Baha'u'llah has brought in direct fulfillment of prophecy. uhj dot net
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Is the genealogy copyrighted? I read a similar about 6 yrs ago.
sikabon12 4 years ago
sikabon,
Yes, it is copyrighted, & can be seen in entirety at bupc dot org. It was first published on the internet at the time of the 9-11, and has been stolen and altered by several individuals since that time. Some have gone so far as to cut it off at the leg & insert their own name in place of Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Very interesting. I've seen something similar w/ the mormons and in our Hawaiian history we have stories of the flood and the people who survived that flood. Now I can match the names to see if there's any relation between the meanings or other variation of names.
hnlmkk 4 years ago
this is completly FALSE PEOPLE dont listen he said if its a relgion of man if you see how they all relate relgion is of the devil jesus spoke of a kingdom not religon all religon are fasle god doesnt care about religon but salvation
salvador36213 4 years ago
salvador,
The connotation of the word "religion" has been tarnished by the horrible way people have corrupted true religion. "Religion" simply means "to bind together", like a bundle of sticks. It implies unity, & was never meant to be organized. Baha'u'llah is the King of the Kingdom, the return of Christ in the glory of the Father.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
I agree salvador36213...there will be one world religion when the son of perdition is revealed. Perhaps this is that son of perdition God talked about...the bible is clear that the government would be on Jesus shoulders and that it was "finished" when he gave up his spirit and took back the keys to the Kingdom and gave them to Peter.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
The prophecy (Isaiah 9) is for the Prince of Peace & Everlasting Father, not the Son who said "Think not that I have come to bring peace". The Everlasting Father brings the 1-world gov. of God, which is the Kingdom on earth, the ONLY 1-world government supported by the Bible. The "son of perdition" is worshiped in the temple of God as God. Between Baha'u'llah & your version of Jesus (the "other Jesus" of 2 Cor. 11), there's only 1 being worshiped
adamjacob9 4 years ago
OH Jesus IS the Prince of Peace and the government is on his shoulders, but he cannot bring peace where the devil is, so that is why he said he did not bring peace, but a sword. A sword divides. He is dividing the people of his Kingdom from the people of the kingdom of darkness. And so you do not worship the Jesus who was born of Mary then???
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Of course I don't worship "the man Jesus Christ", & he claimed NOT to be the Prince of Peace. That prophecy in no way can be said to refer to Jesus. He's the Son, not the Father, didn't bring a government, & NEVER sat upon the throne of King David, as the Davidic King during Jesus' ministry was Liunan bar Babutan living in Babylonian captivity. Who 1st told you Jesus was the Prince of Peace? And did you put money in their plate? If so, get it back.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Why would we "worship Jesus" when he himself said "Go away Satan, God *alone* is to be worshiped". Clearly you're well indoctrinated into the commonly held non-Biblical beliefs that most Christians who haven't read the Bible for themselves hold as true. All your concerns stem from this.
We seem to have touched a nerve, haven't we? This is why we usually stick to the topic of the video, as off-topic questions like these are all answered at bupc dot org, or uhj dot net.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
People thought a lot of Baha'u'llah because he was a great man in his own right, in what he said and did, not because he was related to other great men and somehow automactically deserved respect. Maybe if your group focused on this rather than silly geneologies it might have more influence. Also, possibly spend some time looking at what actually brings all relgions together its certainly not in the literal truth of their myths (seeing as these vary massively), or your phoney family tree.
thejonone 4 years ago
thejon, with such a vast knowledge of everything about every religion, why have you not even attempted to challenge the content of this video? Did you even watch it? Its rather rude to call this thoroughly researched genealogy 'phoney' without offering any reasoning or facts. How convenient to sit on the side and criticize. This shows the interrelated cousinry of all of God's messangers. What exactly is your problem with it?
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
jeff999,
You say..."This shows the interrelated cousinry of all of God's messangers."
Ever here of Noah and the great flood?
We are all cousins.
nyplowboy1 4 years ago
nyplowboy,
The point of the video is that the Covenant of God to Abraham is fulfilled that Kings & a Multitude of Nations would come from him & all nations be blessed through him. The chart shows the Messengers through Abraham specifically, highlighting the line of David (kings) coming to Baha'u'llah & continuing in the Executive Branch (Aghsan) of the living descendents of David seated as president of the true UHJ (uhj dot net)
adamjacob9 4 years ago
adam,
I understand the point.
I was trying to show that every man, woman and child on this earth today are cousins if the story of the flood and Noah is true, as I believe it is. Therefore, I am not surprised.
As far as any prophesy conclusions and the UHJ goes...I'm listening.
nyplowboy1 4 years ago
nyplowboy,
The conclusion of the Covenant to Abraham, called the Everlasting Covenant, is that it is prophesied that the "multitude of nation" & the Davidic Kingship would come together to form the "House of the Lord" if Isaiah 2, which is none other than Baha'u'llah's UHJ with the Davidic King as its president (with a vote of 1 & no veto) continued...
adamjacob9 4 years ago
nyplowboy, (continued)
The purpose of the living descendent of King David being seated as the president of the UHJ (uhj dot net) is so we can recognize the true Universal House of Justice of Baha'u'llah from all fakes, frauds & imitations. The UHJ or "House of the Lord" is the Center of the Kingdom of God on earth.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
nyplowboy, why would you presume I hadn't heard of the flood? The comment of mine you quoted in context was to someone criticizing this genealogy chart with generalities calling it a "phoney family tree" for Baha'u'llah. Rather it's a family tree showing every descendant of King David's line down to Baha'u'llah, but even more impressively showing the descendancy of all the family lines of every Manifestation of God's (the founders of the world's religions).
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
jeff999,
I was trying to point out that the scriptures tell us of the flood and we all descend from Noah. Therefore, we are all cousins. The genealogy chart is nice but not necessary to prove cousinry.
nyplowboy1 4 years ago
nyplowboy, the genealogy chart wasn't created to "prove" the cousinry. It shows like nothing before it the exact interrelatedness of their families, instead of the general "we're all family" concept. KM's jab implies it's "phoney" without providing any proof for the comment. In fact the family lineage was derived from 15 years of exhaustive research which proves he's the heir David's throne. Or one could say, "we're all family"; whichever suites ya.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
It is questionable whether Noah is even truth, read the epic of Gilgamesh and you will understand why the name Noah is questionable. Ultimately I wonder what does the name Noah mean, I do not know, but it may help to understand why it was chosen as the name.
satanchrist666 4 years ago
Noah means rest. Gilgamesh means hero.
As to whether Noah and the flood are even truth I guess that comes down to personal belief and freedom of religion. I believe.
nyplowboy1 4 years ago
I have read both the story of noah and the epic of gilgamesh, and noticed the story seems constant between both, it is just the names give me confusion of which one might be the actual person involved, I am not really saying it did not happen, I am just saying it could be of a different name than most of us had originally heard.
satanchrist666 4 years ago
Noah's name varies depending on which of the 6 languages the author of the flood story is telling it in. He's Ziusudra to the Sumerians, Noah to the Hebrews, etc. But the flood is archaeologically proven to have happened, this is universally accepted. What's in question are some of the "big fish" stories that have embellished it. It's not likely to have been a worldwide deluges, but limited the region of Sumeria. Go to flood-myths dot com for in depth analysis between the varying stories.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
I'm thinking that your answer is that differences exist in religions because they have been made fit for their age, maybe its time to look at why your believing in the literal truth of myths of selected religions from a bygone age? To me it seems that it is to justify your side of an argument in a power struggle, and in doing so your doing exactly what was done to Cristanity after Christs death, distorting its message in order to gain influence for your group.
thejonone 4 years ago
thejono,
You're correct that God's Messengers (Who actually exist in Reality) bring Revelations in which only the laws & ordinances change for each age, as the spiritual message remains the same, i.e. The Golden Rule. How is Baha'u'llah's message being "distorted" here? He proclaimed His lineage from David, showing He was a Christ. Do you know what "Christ" means?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
So are we saying that this family tree encompasses the entire span of human history? If your gonna use a judeo-cristian-islamic creation myth to construct your tree and proclaim the oneness of religion, maybe you should look at how Buddist and Hindu creation myths (which are part of the same oneness you talk of but don't really see) contridict your family tree.
thejonone 4 years ago
thejono,
This is not based on a "creation myth". Baha'is don't accept a literal 6000 year old creation, but over the last 6000 years, humanity has taken new steps of a spiritual evolution, beginning with the one we call Adam, also called Zadok, & spanning until today with the coming of Baha'u'llah, who is a Christ BECAUSE of His genealogy.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Kooka, what are you talking about? Could you be a tad bit less vague?
I, like Adam, also believe that God is helping us. He gave us Youtube to help educate the masses quickly! Didn't He? Yes.
It sounds like maybe you are harboring some prejudice against the BUPC and the Universal House of Justice. Please do explain.
Peace
bahaiknight 4 years ago
where can i find the descendants of wandalus? he was son of negno, son of alanus, son of rea sylvia, son ofnume pamphylius, son of ascanius, son of aeneas, son of anchises, son of tros, son of dardanus, son of flire, son of juvan, son of japhet, son of Noah?
rYbKaPL1 4 years ago
rYbK,
The chart in this video (bupc dot org) focuses on the genealogies of the 9 Manifestations of God in this last 6000 yr. cycle, those prophesied Divine Messengers. Of course this chart could branch off further, but is not necessary for the point being made. All I've found of wandalus is some connection with Poland.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
can anyone explain to me why Shoghi Effendi is not with in this video? He was the great grandson of Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith. He was the child of a marriage that united the lines of Abraham. Why isnt he mentioned?
AdemiaDracka 4 years ago
Adem,
Good question. Shoghi Effendi is on this genealogy chart, but the focus is on the male line of King David continuing through Baha'u'llah & 'Abdu'l-Baha. Shoghi Effendi was the "unique" guardian, not seated upon David's throne. 'Abdu'l-Baha's only Son and Aghsan inherited the throne & today the great-grandson of 'Abdu'l-Baha is on the throne as the Executive Branch of the UHJ of Baha'u'llah. uhj dot net
adamjacob9 4 years ago
This man is not a true Baha'i and nothing he is saying represents the Baha'is. Please ignore this altogether.
Jakooka 4 years ago
kooka,
Who are you that anyone should pay any attention to your slander? Name one specific thing in this video which doesn't "represent the Baha'is". Do you have any substance to back up your claim?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
God bless you adamjacob, you are very educated and well read, please keep following the truth and proclaiming it! Even though it is hard to feed meat to a baby. The truth will always prevail in the end!
ajiz85 4 years ago
Luke 2:11 "for their is born to you this day in the city of David a savior who is Christ the Lord"
tuapuikia1 4 years ago
tuapuikia,
What's the point? Baha'is accept that Jesus is the Christ and is "a saviour".
adamjacob9 4 years ago
While someone can claim God is unwilling to become a man, they cannot say it is impossible. Like their counterpart Islam they deny this is possible, but God is able to do all things. The Scriptures (the Bible) say he would become a man and visit his people, and die for their sins. Isaiah 63:8 ... " so he became their savior in all their affliction he was afflicted and the messenger of his presence saved them."
tuapuikia1 4 years ago
tuapu,
First of all, this chapter is about Baha'u'llah, Who's Revelation is refered to as the "Red Robe" and Who Himself wore a red robe as stated earlier in the chapter. This is a prophecy about the coming of the "Everlasting Father" spoken of in Isaiah 9, which is Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
I don't think any further explanation is necessary. You know exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't, God help you.
Jakooka 4 years ago
Kooka,
It can only be deduced by your unwillingness to point out anything wrong with this video that your earlier statement is completely unfounded and without merit. I don't know what you're talking about and God does help me. Put forth your proof.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
What's wrong with the video? Try "bupc" or "uhj." Those are reason enough to say what I said and you know it.
Jakooka 4 years ago
Jakooka,
Are you referring to the Official website of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice? That's certainly no reason to say this video doesn't "represent Baha'is" as the UHJ is the prophesied House of Lord in Isaiah 2 and the Authoritative successor in the Baha'i Covenant, recognized by the living Aghsan descendent of King David as its Executive Branch.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
The Bahá'í's claim that they uphold the Bible but what they actually do is reinterpret it so that it no longer means what the writers had intended. " For god to descend into the conditions of existence would be the greatest of imperfection's.
tuapuikia1 4 years ago
tuapuikia,
"For no one has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 1:18 Jesus Christ is the Intermediary between God and mankind, NOT God in the flesh. Jesus denied being God, "Why call me good? None is good but God alone."
adamjacob9 4 years ago
How do you explain this verse..."Inthe beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" (emphasis mine)...sounds like Jesus who is referred as the Word in many quotations, is also God then...wouldn't you say?
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
Sorry, but Jesus is never "referred to as the Word". Jn1:1 says "the Word was God". Here Word,or Logos in Greek,lit. means "thoughts expressed in words".Vrs.14 says "the Word became flesh &dwelt among us full of *grace and truth*".Then in vrs.17:"grace and truth came through Jesus Christ".So John describes the Word as "grace & truth" then says this grace and truth "dwelt in" &"came through" Jesus. So Jesus revealed the Word which dwelt in him,see?It doesn't mean he's God,nor imply it.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
"The Word BECAME flesh" can be argued all day if that's what you think. I worship Jesus because it's in his name that we do what he did while he was in the flesh. Jesus gave his disciples the power and authority over demons, to heal diseases, and they were to preach in his name. There is ONE name given among men and his is the name of the FAther, Son, and Holy Spirit.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Actually, the "name" in which all are saved & have authority is Jesus' inherited name from his Father, as it says "he hath by INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name". This name is the name of the Everlasting Father, the "new name" Jesus says he returns in (Rev. 3:12). That name is Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
No, "the Word became flesh" needs no debate. The only people who would argue its explicit meaning are those uneducated in the context and meaning of the whole chapter. "The Word" in Greek is "Logos", which lit. means God's thoughts expressed in words. He also says "no man has seen God..., but [Jesus] has made Him known". Get it?
You just said "his is the name of the F,S,&H.S." So Jesus' is the name of these three? Please provide the text for that; it's a new doctrine I'm unfamiliar with.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
"His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Isaias 9:6) when speaking of the baby to be born.
"But the author of life you killed..." (Acts 3:15) says Peter of the crucifiction.
to be continued...
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
The ONLY part of Isaiah 9:6-7 that Jesus could POSSIBLY fulfill is that he was "born" and was a "son", which can also refer to every other man ever born. The rest is so far from referring to Jesus, but the people have been taught the wrong way for centuries by money-making clergy that they don't think for themselves. BTW, it's not "Father of the world to come" What the heck translation is that?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
"Father of the world to come" or "everlasting FAther"...it is clearly a passage being fulfilled by one baby...Isaiah 9...it says a baby, then the pronoun "he" which would refer to the noun before which is "baby"..it doesn't get much clearer.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Are you suggesting that Jesus was the only man to have ever been a baby? Baha'u'llah fufills every detail of this prophecy. His name means "glory of the Father", where Jesus was the Son. He sat upon the throne of King David, Jesus did not. Baha'u'llah brought God's Plan for a world government, the Kingdom on earth. Jesus did not.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
A baby is to be born,it's a prophecy, and then fulfilled as spoken of in Luke's gospel and Matthew's gospel. Jesus spoke of the Kingdom being at hand and right before he ascended he said Acts 2:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." 9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. No need for another Christ.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Actually, Jesus said "my kingdom is NOT of this world" but told us to pray for the coming Kingdom, the Kingdom of the Father (Everlasting Father), the actual government from God recognized by the throne of King David. Whether you think there is a need for another Christ or not, God prophesied that there would be. If you want to argue with God, go ahead. I'm just here to educate.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Isaiah 9:6-7 Umm, Jesus could, and would fulfill all of that one prophecy.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
Thats certainly the commonly held belief, but as its already been repeatedly explained here we don't accept that notion; why are you now repeating yourself ad nauseum about this? We don't accept that because NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS APPLIES TO HIM. He wasn't "upon the throne of David", nor ever will be. He denied it was his role to bring a government or peace (matt10:34), and he was the Son, not the Father. Repeatedly insisting its about him will not miraculously change this reality.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
You are switching the prophecies told of Jesus to this new god because of a geneology. "Dont' listen to men with their endless geneologies" Itwas Jesus, not your god, who read fromthe scroll thus fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 61 "The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon me..." Jesus sent his HolySpirit to endue the believer with power, your god simply said some good things..No power in your thinking, no power in your acting, there's nothing that will save you with the power of Baha
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
Baha'u'llah is NOT a "god". This is your skewed perspective. The verses from Paul about genealogies pertained to very specific events at that time & place, as we are OBVIOUSLY not to pay no attention to the genealogies of the Bible, right? Now enough already. Paul says "Come, let us reason together". You seem to be getting more & more irrate. Are you ok?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one"
1 John 5:7--8: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"
That Jesus is God, shows up implicitly in his words and actions. He is a member of the Godhead,the three in one.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
Oh yes, the old 1 John 5:7 verse. Sorry, but every scholar agrees that verse was added to the text circa 1520. It's known as the "Comma Johanneum". Don't take my word, look it up. It's a well known fact that its one of the insertions perpetrated on the Bible. The "three in one" Godhead is a fabrication of the Church. It's simply not Biblical. "I am ascending to my God, to your God."
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
That the FAther, Son, and Holy Spirit are one is implicitly seen all throughthe New Testament...each one is different and belonging together to complete the Godhead. You can't believe that because your precious Beelzebub pardon the spelling is not included in that trinity. Salvation is found in none other than Jesus Christ, the Name of the FAther, Son and Holy Spirit. How do you even preach a gospel to people? What do you say? Is there a video of your gospel?
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
follow,
The word "gospel" means "good news" & Jesus always explained that is was the "good news of the Kingdom" which he told us to pray for in the Lord's Prayer. The gospel is the same today, & is fully realized now on earth as in heaven. The gates are always open. uhj dot net
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Do people get healed and delivered of demons and set free from oppression, do the blind see when you preach this gospel? What does the gospel mean to people in their lives? Is this gospel because of a geneology, or becasue of what Jesus did on the cross (he said "It is finished")
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
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Yes, yes, yes, yes and finally, NO. The gospel is the good news of the Kingdom. That's what Jesus says.
adamjacob9 4 years ago
The gospel is preached in power, with confirmations that it is true. Jesus said it is finished, he did something about the problem of sin and the resulting condemnation we were under by the FAther. Yours is a dead religion, with a haughtiness about it that does not let the ordinary sinner in. That is not the Gospel. Jesus did not heal those who thought they were too good for him, but he does heal those who come to him.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
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That's funny, for the ONLY legit. verse I've seen is that they were told to baptize in the names of those 3, but NOT that they are all God. That concept (trinity) comes from ancient Babylon & was voted into organized christianity in 325 AD at the council of Nicea. Don't the people read about their own beliefs?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
All through the New Testament the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all "in each other"...I also, am "in them" so I am now one with them in definition and so that means something in my reality. In Him, I move, and live and have my being. This is the mystery that is now known, Jesus had this planned fromthe beginning.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
That's great. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing.
jeffmichaud999 4 years ago
Jesus is the Name...Jesus said "in my Name you will cast out demons.." We are to baptize in the "name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"
"At the name of Jesus, every knee will bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord"
Acts 2:21 "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
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Like I said, it's not his first name, but his last, which is inherited from the Father. Hebrews 1:4 says that he has "inherited" a greater name. This is his prophesied "new name" in Revelation 3:12. Do you deny that he said he would come in a "new name"?
adamjacob9 4 years ago
What Jesus promises, he will deliver. He will write a new name on him who does not lose his crown. Jesus will fulfill that. But read this Hebrews 19:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus," A new name will be a new name of Jesus, not another person descended further down a geneologicial tree. That's a new "christ", not a new "name"!
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
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Your adding to the text. It says "my own new name", and just as John the Baptist is the return of Elijah, which Jesus explains, so why do you have a different expectation for "return" other than the way Jesus explained it? The Bible is clear that there will be 2 Christs, 2 "anointed ones" (Zech. 4:14)
adamjacob9 4 years ago
Furthermore, the Holy Spirit came and fell on his followers and they spoke in other tongues and were filled with power and went out preaching in the authority of Jesus name! They were given the power to stand up to persecution and toment, and eventually being murdered for their faith in various ways. Antichrists were warned about in the scriptures who would try to replace Jesus, and that is what is happening with this new christ.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
Your thinking is futile and filled with nonsense...beside the point. There is no power of God in this belief. Tell me this, I bet you try on your own to live up to this religion so that you will be deemed a good person. That's all I hear on here. Your "peace" is like cowdung to God. He knows what real peace is, and it aint ignoring people and declaring peace.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
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It's all about God's grace. Grace in the greek refers to the Bread & Wine, which the Bible says are the teachings & the Covenant. It is through the Covenant of God that we are saved.
adamjacob9 4 years ago