If this was Harper saying this about the Ukrainians then it would have been a whole different story.
Funny, most left-wing people I know are so concerned with culture and how important everybody's culture is, and make a big deal when someone insults someone elses "culture" (oh no!).
However, the left-wing leader makes some comments that were insulting to Ukrainians, and now hes not guilty. The other parties "misread" what he was saying.
Canadian politician Michael Ignatieff is an agent of Moscow sent by Putin's legion of Zhids to take over Canada and murder millions of true Slavic Canadians-who-wish-they-were-Ukrainian! Смерть Ігнатьєв!
Of all the Ignatieff apologists you are the lamest. "Any group".... what a small minded thing you do .....put people in groups. Canadians of Ukrainian background are not a group we are Canadians. Canadians don't need a hateful Prime Minister.
I hear that Elton John tried to adopt an AIDS baby - a child that is HIV positive -- from the Ukraine. They won't allow him to adopt the baby, who is doomed to a shitty life in the orphanage -- because Elton is in a gay marriage. Bigoted?
No, the Minister there said because he is too old and not in a marriage recognized by Ukrainian law. Ukraine is the most gay friendly country out of the old Soviet Union. Once it is not longer a leftist issue gay rights will advance as they have in Poland and other east block countries. Ukraine is certainly no Jamaica.
Pogroms against Jews were NOT run by the Czars, although some Tsars no doubt ran pogroms. Pogroms could be run by anyone who was dominant enough to start one up in a community. You think the Tsars were around for every pogrom? Ignatieff is descended from Russians, yes, and Russian nobility. So what? I'm descended from Irish nobility. He is also descended from Scots, 50%. You're whining about nothing. Ignatieff isn't discriminating against any Ukrainians, you're just looking for attention.
Provide the quote in context, please. I'm sick of Tories taking things out of context. In any case, he's obviously honest, and admits mistakes, and corrects things. Unlike Lardass Harper.
LMAO suddenly I'm a Tory. Hatred is not a mistake, unless you ared now running for office.
here is but one passage...Blood and Belonging.
"Ukrainian independence conjures up images of embroidered peasant shirts, the nasal whine of ethnic instruments, phoney Cossacks in cloaks and boots, nasty anti-Semites," Ignatieff, an academic of Russian descent, wrote in the book.
As for the quote - what's your problem with the truth? They are anti-Semites, as well as being racist and bigoted towards a number of other people. IE - keeping dogs trained to go after Indians in Manitoba; and so on.
Why not just admit to the anti-Semitic background - Ukrainians waged horrible pogroms on Jewish villages, at any time they felt like it. "Power over".
Thanks You proved my point Ignatieff said it was a mistake not me. He is full of hate and now apologizing for it.
Here is the better question, why are you so full of hate towards Ukrainians? You seem to think Ukrainians are the root of all evil. Ukrainians kept dogs trained against natives? Wow first time I heard that one, I thought it was just the WASP white people that did that to natives AND Ukrainians.
No, I asked you a question. Since when is "hatred not a mistake"?? Displays your attitude. And, yes, I did know a Ukrainian couple who said that they trained their German Shepherds to go after Natives specifically, since they had a small factory and store in Manitoba. UKRAINIANS DID NOT SUFFER!! You are CAUCASIAN! Therefore, you don't have the "visible minority" problem. Ukrainians might have been disliked, and a lot of them were - but they were not persecuted by WASPS. Had to change names.
My attitude? Ignatieff hates. You hate. One Ukrainian couple trained one dog makes 1 million Canadians anti-native anti Semites. You my dear are totally ignorant of the Ukrainian experience in Canada. First Ukrainians had no choice but to settle in the prairies because of the west of Thunder Bay rule. You don't have to be a person of colour to be discriminated against, and Ukrainians most certainly were. Having to change your name, we had to not wanted to because of discrimination.
You are probably one of the most ignorant people I know. My aunt was beaten, humiliated and kept in the corner of her school in Canada because she could only speak Ukrainian and very little English. It was nearly impossible for many Ukrainians to find jobs in Canada. Ukrainians were a valuable asset to Canada because they knew how to homestead and break the land, but they were never treated with respect. The suffering was there, though you cannot see past skin color.
If Ukrainians display "distasteful racism" towards natives then why are there so many natives with Ukrainian names? Ukrainians were put on the prairies by Canadians because they were unworthy of living in the eastern cities. Then during WW1 Canadians could not tell the difference between a Ukrainian and a German, so we were put in concentration camps in Canada. Funny it was a Liberal government that did that.
Logc...Ukrainians easily mixed with natives because they were both oppressed peoples in Canada. One family does not make a whole society racist.
You should really learn history. Pogroms against Jews were run by the Czars and his representatives. Czars were Russian Czars.
Ignatieff claims royal heritage; his ancestors participated?
Ukrainians came to Canada with Austro-Hungarian passports. They were seen as the enemy and place in camps with Germans war prisoners and three way riots ensued.
Ukrainians are white, and were not discriminated against racially. I have heard the damndest whining from Ukrainians about oppression, when the only problem was that people couldn't pronounce their names, and probably just didn't like their culture. Happens. Jews, blacks, and Chinese came in for much, much more racism.
That doesn't even make any sense. Do you think that racism is going to prevent inter-racial bonding?
There's racial discrimination in the US against blacks. All blacks in the US carry white names. And, so, your point? Ukrainians went to the prairies because they wanted free land. They were "land hungry", and conditions in the Ukraine drove them out. The first Ukrainian settlers came through Hamburg, having heard of Canada from Germans. Might be why there was confusion. They were white.
I have read what Mr. Ignatieff said in his Bllod And Belongings about Ukrainians. It doesn't bother me a lot what that young and excited man said that time. What I worry about it is that since that time I still wont find any respect from Mr. Ignatieff in any of his comments toward Ukrainians. This is so NOT Canadian. Canadian politicians are valued because of showing respect while talking about a nation. Evidently Mr. Ignatieff is still failing to express his respect to Ukrainian nation..
Respected member of the Ukrainian Intellectual community? Looks like the Air farce is playing on the stereotypical Ukrainian country bumpkin theme. Ohh these successive minority governments must be hurting the establishment now.
"Ding Dong the Iggster's gone.... which old Igg? The wicked Igg... Ding Dong the wicked Iggster's gone"
I normally vote Lib (still do), but not a chance in **** do I want you making choices for me....
rookiemcm77 10 months ago
What a fucking asshole.
IDandyKoI 10 months ago
Ignatieff is a clown.
pepintheshort100 1 year ago 2
If this was Harper saying this about the Ukrainians then it would have been a whole different story.
Funny, most left-wing people I know are so concerned with culture and how important everybody's culture is, and make a big deal when someone insults someone elses "culture" (oh no!).
However, the left-wing leader makes some comments that were insulting to Ukrainians, and now hes not guilty. The other parties "misread" what he was saying.
chillinlikeapud 1 year ago
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Canadian politician Michael Ignatieff is an agent of Moscow sent by Putin's legion of Zhids to take over Canada and murder millions of true Slavic Canadians-who-wish-they-were-Ukrainian! Смерть Ігнатьєв!
KobzaPhantomShitter 2 years ago
A good movie to learn about the Ukrainian experience in Canada is "Freedom Had A Price` available from the CBC web site.
aps454 2 years ago
Of all the whining and whinging I've ever heard by any group - this has to be the least justified.
universalradio 2 years ago
Of all the Ignatieff apologists you are the lamest. "Any group".... what a small minded thing you do .....put people in groups. Canadians of Ukrainian background are not a group we are Canadians. Canadians don't need a hateful Prime Minister.
aps454 2 years ago
I hear that Elton John tried to adopt an AIDS baby - a child that is HIV positive -- from the Ukraine. They won't allow him to adopt the baby, who is doomed to a shitty life in the orphanage -- because Elton is in a gay marriage. Bigoted?
universalradio 2 years ago
No, the Minister there said because he is too old and not in a marriage recognized by Ukrainian law. Ukraine is the most gay friendly country out of the old Soviet Union. Once it is not longer a leftist issue gay rights will advance as they have in Poland and other east block countries. Ukraine is certainly no Jamaica.
aps454 2 years ago
It's because he's in a gay marriage -- "too old" is BS. So they're anti-gay and they're ageist.
universalradio 2 years ago
Pogroms against Jews were NOT run by the Czars, although some Tsars no doubt ran pogroms. Pogroms could be run by anyone who was dominant enough to start one up in a community. You think the Tsars were around for every pogrom? Ignatieff is descended from Russians, yes, and Russian nobility. So what? I'm descended from Irish nobility. He is also descended from Scots, 50%. You're whining about nothing. Ignatieff isn't discriminating against any Ukrainians, you're just looking for attention.
universalradio 2 years ago
Read his book "Blood and Belonging''. He has admitted he used "processes that were wrong" in the book and apologized for it". His words.
aps454 2 years ago
Provide the quote in context, please. I'm sick of Tories taking things out of context. In any case, he's obviously honest, and admits mistakes, and corrects things. Unlike Lardass Harper.
universalradio 2 years ago
LMAO suddenly I'm a Tory. Hatred is not a mistake, unless you ared now running for office.
here is but one passage...Blood and Belonging.
"Ukrainian independence conjures up images of embroidered peasant shirts, the nasal whine of ethnic instruments, phoney Cossacks in cloaks and boots, nasty anti-Semites," Ignatieff, an academic of Russian descent, wrote in the book.
aps454 2 years ago
Hatred is not a mistake? Since when?
As for the quote - what's your problem with the truth? They are anti-Semites, as well as being racist and bigoted towards a number of other people. IE - keeping dogs trained to go after Indians in Manitoba; and so on.
Why not just admit to the anti-Semitic background - Ukrainians waged horrible pogroms on Jewish villages, at any time they felt like it. "Power over".
universalradio 2 years ago
Thanks You proved my point Ignatieff said it was a mistake not me. He is full of hate and now apologizing for it.
Here is the better question, why are you so full of hate towards Ukrainians? You seem to think Ukrainians are the root of all evil. Ukrainians kept dogs trained against natives? Wow first time I heard that one, I thought it was just the WASP white people that did that to natives AND Ukrainians.
aps454 2 years ago
No, I asked you a question. Since when is "hatred not a mistake"?? Displays your attitude. And, yes, I did know a Ukrainian couple who said that they trained their German Shepherds to go after Natives specifically, since they had a small factory and store in Manitoba. UKRAINIANS DID NOT SUFFER!! You are CAUCASIAN! Therefore, you don't have the "visible minority" problem. Ukrainians might have been disliked, and a lot of them were - but they were not persecuted by WASPS. Had to change names.
universalradio 2 years ago
My attitude? Ignatieff hates. You hate. One Ukrainian couple trained one dog makes 1 million Canadians anti-native anti Semites. You my dear are totally ignorant of the Ukrainian experience in Canada. First Ukrainians had no choice but to settle in the prairies because of the west of Thunder Bay rule. You don't have to be a person of colour to be discriminated against, and Ukrainians most certainly were. Having to change your name, we had to not wanted to because of discrimination.
aps454 2 years ago
@universalradio
You are probably one of the most ignorant people I know. My aunt was beaten, humiliated and kept in the corner of her school in Canada because she could only speak Ukrainian and very little English. It was nearly impossible for many Ukrainians to find jobs in Canada. Ukrainians were a valuable asset to Canada because they knew how to homestead and break the land, but they were never treated with respect. The suffering was there, though you cannot see past skin color.
mattryder321 10 months ago
@mattryder321 Ah, fuck off.
universalradio 10 months ago
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universalradio 2 years ago
If Ukrainians display "distasteful racism" towards natives then why are there so many natives with Ukrainian names? Ukrainians were put on the prairies by Canadians because they were unworthy of living in the eastern cities. Then during WW1 Canadians could not tell the difference between a Ukrainian and a German, so we were put in concentration camps in Canada. Funny it was a Liberal government that did that.
aps454 2 years ago
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universalradio 2 years ago
Logc...Ukrainians easily mixed with natives because they were both oppressed peoples in Canada. One family does not make a whole society racist.
You should really learn history. Pogroms against Jews were run by the Czars and his representatives. Czars were Russian Czars.
Ignatieff claims royal heritage; his ancestors participated?
Ukrainians came to Canada with Austro-Hungarian passports. They were seen as the enemy and place in camps with Germans war prisoners and three way riots ensued.
aps454 2 years ago
Ukrainians are white, and were not discriminated against racially. I have heard the damndest whining from Ukrainians about oppression, when the only problem was that people couldn't pronounce their names, and probably just didn't like their culture. Happens. Jews, blacks, and Chinese came in for much, much more racism.
universalradio 2 years ago
That doesn't even make any sense. Do you think that racism is going to prevent inter-racial bonding?
There's racial discrimination in the US against blacks. All blacks in the US carry white names. And, so, your point? Ukrainians went to the prairies because they wanted free land. They were "land hungry", and conditions in the Ukraine drove them out. The first Ukrainian settlers came through Hamburg, having heard of Canada from Germans. Might be why there was confusion. They were white.
universalradio 2 years ago
I have read what Mr. Ignatieff said in his Bllod And Belongings about Ukrainians. It doesn't bother me a lot what that young and excited man said that time. What I worry about it is that since that time I still wont find any respect from Mr. Ignatieff in any of his comments toward Ukrainians. This is so NOT Canadian. Canadian politicians are valued because of showing respect while talking about a nation. Evidently Mr. Ignatieff is still failing to express his respect to Ukrainian nation..
Stan732 3 years ago
Respected member of the Ukrainian Intellectual community? Looks like the Air farce is playing on the stereotypical Ukrainian country bumpkin theme. Ohh these successive minority governments must be hurting the establishment now.
MiddletownDreamz 3 years ago
It's looking more like the Libersatives with this budget
andrewutsc 3 years ago
yes and ignoriteff is the leader of the liberals
myronzee 3 years ago
So is there still a minority government in Canada?
MiddletownDreamz 3 years ago