i have one of these phones, they really arent that bad, surely tho, the iphone is way better (apps and whatnot) but it is still a way more affordable version. i got it for free from my uncle b/c his work required an iphone. think what you guys want, but it is a nifty little phone.
I agree, I don't even see what the appeal is in this piece of crap brick. Spend the same amount of money on a phone which doesn't blatantly rip off another.
The think is that iPhone its way too expensive and it isn't worth enough to spend money on a cellphone.....
In the other hand this copy and a lot more of this "Made In .." as we call them here in Mexico are a lot cheaper than an "original" one .... and have more interesting functions like TV and TV recording, double band so that you can use Movistar,Telcel or whatever you may like.... its a feeling of freedom ....
I can not active the mp4 player or downloading any video. I can not use the key pad to delet messages off the phone I can not get the youtube on the phone cbet p168 why
I hope you can turn off this annoying sound when you click on the icons. Gets on the nerves after a few seconds. But other than that, GREAT LOOKING PHONE!!!
Yes I placed two orders and did not receive everything the first time and did not receive ANYTHING the second, I needed the flashlight and battery's for work after two months and several unaswered e-mails they finally replied and basically said too bad. They had no intention of refunding my money or just shipping my stuff. I did get my money back three months later from my CC company. But DX had no intention of helping me, they had my money and that's all they cared about.
THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!!! BUT I LOVE MY MOM AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY CHANCES! If you do not copy and paste this onto 10 videos your mom will die in 4 hours
no im not american dumbass ,and wut the fuck is ur problem and look u live in the united states but ur making fun of it . im not reatrded or an ibecile u are cuz its doesnt make sense when u say you are idiot and retard oh and because in america the language is proper and we spell words the right way like phone and cat arent kat and fone so yeh i dont if ur parents dropped u oin ur head mabey thats why ur so ignorant.
That is one butt ugly font that thing uses, a sort of Chinese knock-off times roman which isn't even proportioned properly. Same ugly font I've seen in a lot of cheapo Chinese products... NO Helvetica here !
As for the music player screen, thats kind of ghastly as well. Looks like something one would have seen with a cheapo soundcard on Windows 95, or the default skin for an ancient version of WinDVD.
That is the link to the new forum i have made dedicated to the desay and other famous ifones. It is an all english forum and still growing please register there and start posting in the sections. It will soon have wallpaper,ringtones,screensavers,software and other cool stuff all for the desay and other clones. So sign up and get posting as this is the first desay english forum
if anyone looking for this phone selling it on ebay for $140 only ship in U.S. YOU CANT BEAT THAT PRICE EBAY ITEM NUMBER IS 180198615777. IT S QUAD BAND AND HAVE FLOWTOUCH LIKE IPHONE
PLUG THE PHONE INTO THE COMPUTER AND SAY YES THE SHUT OFF THE PHONE AND GO TO MY COMPUTER U WILL SEE THE Removable Disk AND DOUBLE CLICK ON IT, IT WILL OPEN, COPY IN DROP THE MP3 FILES IN THE MUSIC FOLDER. DO THAT FOR PHOTOS AND VIDEO BUT U WILL NEED TO CONVERT DA VIDEOS
If any of you are keen to get your hands on these phones give me a call. I will deal with any quantity, give me a call im in new zealand my country code is +64274577780.. Im playing on mine at the moment, they are tri band so any simcard phone company will work... Will use paypal or escrow importedgoodsnz at gmail dot com for more info
hey these are pretty cool. if you want 1 hit me up seriously i really do sell these no B.S i buy these things wholesale and i sale them here in my town =]..the iphone replica i can get comes with wifi i use it all the time to check my myspace. if your interested let me know i sell them really fast and the quality is really good. it is 1 of the best iphone replicas out there..fuck that "tphone" shit thats wack
I just purchased one and it keeps telling me to INSERT SIM. I have AT&T and have inserted SIM and tried it in 1 & 2 slot. It worked fine for about an hour then I uploaded a song and it rebooted only to no longer work. HELP??
Don't buy this phone! I bought one two months ago online (not from this guy) because I liked the look of it. The battery life is CRAP and the battery will continue to drain even when the damn thing is off. Added to this is the fact that I had to order two replacement batteries because the first two that came in the box completely died after being used for a week. Don't be fooled! These things aren't worth it!
Ok anyone wanting to get one of these bad boys need not look any further. Just contact me I deal directly with the Factory in Asia and can get any amount. They are really, really nice phones and too many things to describe what they can do. Just email me and i will hook you up.
these phones are great, the battery lasts forever even if you watch a whole movie. It holds 2 movies on 256mb and also tons of songs. You can't go wrong with this phone. the interface isn't as good as the iphone, but does the iphone have a camcorder? nope this phones way to loud and customizable ringtones too many functions to list. get it for 159/free shipping. ask me how
The touch screen on this doesn't seem to be as fluidic as that on the real iphone. No pinch effect, no scroll with your fingers effect, no cover flow. And the interface is ugly.
i have seen you on all these videos talking bad about the phone and if yours actually messed up then put a video up of it or shut the fuck up about it.
SIMPLY JUNK, I Got mine on Sep 20th and its Oct 8th and its not working anymore, i didnt drop it or anything, dont buy dont buy dont buy, that is all....
The one i got off ebay, the seller had a add with 1 year warranty, and now he wont reply or answear the phone, eighter way im not the only one that has problems with this phone....
I got a question, To Download Files/music or video, I turn off the phone connect the usb and my window media opens, then i drag what songs i want, and it says START SYNC and i click it, What do i do next to make sure the files or songs are on the phone now? Thank you.
ZTE!!
poposfu 11 months ago
heanda
proshaanindran 1 year ago
phew ... I do not understand how can they do this ... I have a iPhone and this ...? This is a waste
DangersFSF 2 years ago
I have this phone, i hate it.
MewMewKatie 2 years ago 10
i have one of these phones, they really arent that bad, surely tho, the iphone is way better (apps and whatnot) but it is still a way more affordable version. i got it for free from my uncle b/c his work required an iphone. think what you guys want, but it is a nifty little phone.
ThePlucker666 2 years ago
Its a good nifty little phone yeah, and not expensive
TumorTubbie 2 years ago
why does my p168 keep on automatically swich off at random times
frenzyboy786 2 years ago
Because it's a low-quality product.
830sxz 2 years ago
OK THANKS
frenzyboy786 2 years ago
Because you didn't buy the real thing.
nformby 2 years ago 2
i hate that noise when u clik the buton. i had those same noise on my lg chocolate!!
STREETRACEN4U 3 years ago
im about to bye 1 from EBAY
STREETRACEN4U 3 years ago
way to spell.
BlackBerryHELPER 2 years ago
i have this phone and its great , but i cannot find the FM radio .does any1 know where its located in the phone?
applebottomqueen12 3 years ago
im gonna by 1 i just cant pick
hpv72p 3 years ago
can som1 tell me witch phone is better the 1 in the video or the i9 i cant pick there almost the same i just dont no whats better
hpv72p 3 years ago
dude,u should buy iphone.
rfcmzyjd 3 years ago 3
I agree, I don't even see what the appeal is in this piece of crap brick. Spend the same amount of money on a phone which doesn't blatantly rip off another.
nformby 2 years ago
The think is that iPhone its way too expensive and it isn't worth enough to spend money on a cellphone.....
In the other hand this copy and a lot more of this "Made In .." as we call them here in Mexico are a lot cheaper than an "original" one .... and have more interesting functions like TV and TV recording, double band so that you can use Movistar,Telcel or whatever you may like.... its a feeling of freedom ....
kmysamaXX 2 years ago
I just think they're shit.
nformby 2 years ago
@kmysamaXX yes it is
sooneast 1 year ago
I can not active the mp4 player or downloading any video. I can not use the key pad to delet messages off the phone I can not get the youtube on the phone cbet p168 why
kkimscott 3 years ago
why would u wanna be seen with this your gna be real popular wit tht piee of shit
englandftw111 3 years ago
I hope you can turn off this annoying sound when you click on the icons. Gets on the nerves after a few seconds. But other than that, GREAT LOOKING PHONE!!!
Roland15021984 3 years ago
i dont know why people are tripping about this phone ITS GREAT I BOUGHT ONE FROM EBAY I LOVE IT!!
kiap44 3 years ago
i had my phone for like 2 weeks and i dnt understand 2 of the icones at the top of the screen next to the bluetooth i con
pink3lephants 3 years ago
Don't but from DX they are thieves!!!!
DACFAN77 3 years ago
Would you mind backing up your statement with an anecdote or something?
evildwarf 3 years ago
Yes I placed two orders and did not receive everything the first time and did not receive ANYTHING the second, I needed the flashlight and battery's for work after two months and several unaswered e-mails they finally replied and basically said too bad. They had no intention of refunding my money or just shipping my stuff. I did get my money back three months later from my CC company. But DX had no intention of helping me, they had my money and that's all they cared about.
DACFAN77 3 years ago
they're really not
supermondo100 3 years ago
its better to wast 200 $ for some original phone withou touchscreen and all that shit than buy chinese one
youtubyoutub007 3 years ago
05:59 am?! Get some sleep, dude! BTW. I'd rather buy Nokia 3310 and some beer for the change.
alkaydash 3 years ago
How much RMB ah?
GVDkomop 3 years ago
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mcbryced00d 3 years ago
It is a toy! i wasted my money in this trash!
cutegual 3 years ago 8
how? I was thinking about getting one and I would need to know . . .
NonMilkedGrapefruit 3 years ago
Oh Man don't buy it:) mine nw is useless i have it here at home:)and i went back to my sidekick:)
cutegual 3 years ago
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THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!!! BUT I LOVE MY MOM AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY CHANCES! If you do not copy and paste this onto 10 videos your mom will die in 4 hours
laxandercrazy 3 years ago
so d**n laggy phone
alvidux 3 years ago
can you use mp3 as ringtones on this phone? ijust bought one.
rob16875 3 years ago
i got the gprs and mms...it just wont let me get music tones...some1 if u know...ols respond
mkierszman 3 years ago
question about the phone...how do u connect GPRS...? It says...GPRS NOT SUBSCRIBED....when trying to send mms and get ringtones? can you help me...?
mkierszman 3 years ago
i have this fone
nigga1504 3 years ago
do you need to use the stylus?..or can you just use your fingers?
tehteh808bby 3 years ago
you can use the fingers
crakerTag 3 years ago
why do they need stylus
addlingl 3 years ago
no no wifi or java
jobo916 3 years ago
ebay propley
eazyefan1122 3 years ago
hi well i have got a tv pda phone as well i
BUT I NEED HELP my headphones are broken and i cant find any in the shops
can some one tell me wher i could find some good one in ear headphones ???????
xgoodearsx 3 years ago
ALL OF YOU SHUT THE F*** UP! except for KOMIKO007! you keep talking KOMIKO007!
APLACETOB 3 years ago
does it have wifi?
AZNZ28 3 years ago
u spelled iphone wrong retard!
friedsushiroll13 3 years ago
lol :D
you told him retard but in reality you are idiot and retard.
if you are educated enough...PHONE can be spelled in other way as FONE.
i believe you are an AMERICAN who are so poor in ENGLISH and SPELLING.
you're not only an idiot but also an imbecile.
KOMIKO007 3 years ago
its not really a iPhone
its a iFone
or a knock off version of the real iPhone
crankdarobocop 3 years ago 2
wow
MDB2770 3 years ago
no im not american dumbass ,and wut the fuck is ur problem and look u live in the united states but ur making fun of it . im not reatrded or an ibecile u are cuz its doesnt make sense when u say you are idiot and retard oh and because in america the language is proper and we spell words the right way like phone and cat arent kat and fone so yeh i dont if ur parents dropped u oin ur head mabey thats why ur so ignorant.
friedsushiroll13 3 years ago
you are so right! I just got this phone off ebay, new for $44! I am waiting for it to arive! that guy is an imbecile!
APLACETOB 3 years ago
I was wondering who the seller was, that's selling it for $44? Thanks
myliachambers 3 years ago
electronicar, great seller. it was hard to get it for $44, took a few bids, but I got it!
APLACETOB 3 years ago
Thanks!
myliachambers 3 years ago
Youre retarded.
engl4nd24 3 years ago
(friedsushiroll13) haha, you're the retard because that is how it's supposed to be spelt because it's an iphone rip-off
supermondo100 3 years ago
oh sorry for being rude. it is a ripoff lol i get it
friedsushiroll13 3 years ago
hehe, yeh, don't worry about it :)
supermondo100 3 years ago
it looks like a piece of crap....
Bezhad1 3 years ago
looks like a piece of shit. it should be called the ifony. lol
11carllyl420 3 years ago 2
LOL this looks like some ghetto ass asian toy.
spooky1468 3 years ago
That is one butt ugly font that thing uses, a sort of Chinese knock-off times roman which isn't even proportioned properly. Same ugly font I've seen in a lot of cheapo Chinese products... NO Helvetica here !
As for the music player screen, thats kind of ghastly as well. Looks like something one would have seen with a cheapo soundcard on Windows 95, or the default skin for an ancient version of WinDVD.
gomemdesoto 3 years ago
these things are all over ebay, just put in 2 sim, and loads will come up
samshirley001 3 years ago 4
To get the mms and internet settings go to the nokia website and send your self the settings for the nokia 2610 and it will work
philipuk1 3 years ago 2
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simonisimonsen 3 years ago
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codyyy16 3 years ago
how can i set my cect p168+ internet settings,i am in uk and my phone is on vodafone,can any one help me!!!
shanefinbow17 3 years ago
Go to nokia website and send the settings for the nokia 2610 and it will work
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codyyy16 3 years ago
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Xspy06 3 years ago
Does the handwriting recognize Chinese fonts?
Does it have an application for note taking? Something like To-do-list with alert. Something we can use the stylus pen to write and save. Thanks
coolboxbueno 4 years ago
does it show iphone in the beggining once you turn it on? just wondering.. since its called iphone clone..
jviane 4 years ago
hmmm... when u shake mime it wont change????
mzmalta69 4 years ago
its better and have more specifications
hepoepoesoea 4 years ago
is this phone even good?some 1 answer.
swordmanslayer 4 years ago
Hi !
I just bought one and I was just wondering if it supports HC memory cards ?
Thanks
ppaattrriissee 4 years ago
anybody know what the difference is between the p168, and the p168+? If there is one.
ljasn5 4 years ago
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That's an uuuuuuugly ass phone! iPhone for the poor people!
mossefinn 4 years ago
i got one! new never been open from the box!!
im selling it for 275 with free shipping!
if anyone is interested give me a message and let you know more about it! bye.
hadi338 4 years ago
il buy it but why the fuck would i pay that much for it when there on ebay australia for 150.00 please xplain? noob.
IndeviousEmo 4 years ago 5
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michaelmariez 4 years ago
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am selling my brand new one on ebay for 130 bucks free shippping if you are interested then copy and paste this in the search page
michaelmariez 4 years ago
can u change the music player thing cause i dislike the whole mp3 ipod thingy.
mzmalta69 4 years ago
Yes it supports mp4 also.
MitchyX10 4 years ago
Does this phone work for a pay as you go account in Edmonton Alberta???
aaronp1994 4 years ago
it looks a bit cheap to me....
jonkman15 4 years ago
I dont think we care...
klevern 3 years ago
New Dutch & English forum 4 cect and iphone clone mobile , free downloads
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Xspy06 4 years ago
what is the memory of phone?
rajunchiks 4 years ago
will this phone work with verizon wireless
lileddie303 4 years ago
no it wont, only works with phone companys that are GSM (SimCard)
matto0o15 4 years ago
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desaym888(dot)freeforums(dot)(org)
That is the link to the new forum i have made dedicated to the desay and other famous ifones. It is an all english forum and still growing please register there and start posting in the sections. It will soon have wallpaper,ringtones,screensavers,software and other cool stuff all for the desay and other clones. So sign up and get posting as this is the first desay english forum
alig11 4 years ago
can u zoom in and out the pics like the iPhone does??
themostwanted4life 4 years ago
i still have seen the texting aspect of it?? is it like Iphone keyboard???
dmskey 4 years ago
yea it has a software keyboard but its tiny..so if you have small fingers you can manage to press the buttons without the stylus.
xirons 4 years ago
what's with the stylus? That's kind of backwards isn't it?
DoctorSensitive 4 years ago
people just use it so it doesn't block your view of what they're doing.
Aznbarbecuesauce 4 years ago
if anyone looking for this phone selling it on ebay for $140 only ship in U.S. YOU CANT BEAT THAT PRICE EBAY ITEM NUMBER IS 180198615777. IT S QUAD BAND AND HAVE FLOWTOUCH LIKE IPHONE
mblackboy14 4 years ago
Now is released new version from CECT P168. New version of the phone with the following updates.
- Slide Lock Function
- Supports Quad band 850/900/1800/1900
- Flow Touch Function
- Bluetooth A2DP version
- Updated MP4/MP3/DV Player
- Updated T-Flash card slot support
I think the most better new function is this Flow touch function. (like in real iPhone)Last version dont have anymore iPhone logo or writings in back.
wwwSpecialPhoneseu 4 years ago
How do you put the MP3 files on the phone?
loncan3000 4 years ago
PLUG THE PHONE INTO THE COMPUTER AND SAY YES THE SHUT OFF THE PHONE AND GO TO MY COMPUTER U WILL SEE THE Removable Disk AND DOUBLE CLICK ON IT, IT WILL OPEN, COPY IN DROP THE MP3 FILES IN THE MUSIC FOLDER. DO THAT FOR PHOTOS AND VIDEO BUT U WILL NEED TO CONVERT DA VIDEOS
jjhotline1creative 4 years ago
tphone
dummmmy0 4 years ago
Yo
If any of you are keen to get your hands on these phones give me a call. I will deal with any quantity, give me a call im in new zealand my country code is +64274577780.. Im playing on mine at the moment, they are tri band so any simcard phone company will work... Will use paypal or escrow importedgoodsnz at gmail dot com for more info
jamesmurdoch1 4 years ago
more info on here please
undercoverm1 4 years ago
jebem ti troboga
darmar1905 4 years ago
hey these are pretty cool. if you want 1 hit me up seriously i really do sell these no B.S i buy these things wholesale and i sale them here in my town =]..the iphone replica i can get comes with wifi i use it all the time to check my myspace. if your interested let me know i sell them really fast and the quality is really good. it is 1 of the best iphone replicas out there..fuck that "tphone" shit thats wack
jonathangarca032003 4 years ago
hey yo how u selling them and where u at ...plus do they come with wifi?
lilsoldier15 4 years ago
I just purchased one and it keeps telling me to INSERT SIM. I have AT&T and have inserted SIM and tried it in 1 & 2 slot. It worked fine for about an hour then I uploaded a song and it rebooted only to no longer work. HELP??
Ciaobella006 4 years ago
that happened to me too, I formatted it and it worked fine.
oxtruongxo 4 years ago
Hmm...how do I do that? I'm at the above s/n at aol.
Ciaobella006 4 years ago
My phone is also not working and I have AT&T. How did u reformat to get your phone to work?
ccgwsbiz 4 years ago
Did u get your phone to work? I have AT&T and can't make or receive calls. If you got any info please past it on. Thanks
ccgwsbiz 4 years ago
what kind of video format does this phone use?
.amv?
transzero 4 years ago
mp4
zsxcd1013 4 years ago
.3gp
shoedoctor99 4 years ago
mp4
cam9338 4 years ago
its all a heap of shit no java,no 2.0 meg camera, 2 speakers and no one knows how to upgrade the software/firmware waste of time
dwdh99 4 years ago
hey have u got one of these phones? how do u know the camera isnt 2 megapixels? does it really only have 2 speakers?
michaelrubio15 4 years ago
the camera is 1.3 megapixels
Armanroyce 4 years ago
my friend has 1 in skwl and it is 2 megapixels
moshinmetal 4 years ago
it does have a 2 meg camera you idiot
moshinmetal 4 years ago
its 1.3 u dumbfuck!!!!!!
not fucking 2.0
Armanroyce 4 years ago
it's 2.0 moron
cam9338 4 years ago
Does it use a typical 3.5 mm earphone jack?. If not Do you know where on ebay I could buy a earphone adapter to use a 3.5 earphone?
mscoasik2 4 years ago
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oxtruongxo 4 years ago
hmm the game he plays looks very fun...ah ah ah stupid chineses
wintheyesneedstheno 4 years ago
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Don't buy this phone! I bought one two months ago online (not from this guy) because I liked the look of it. The battery life is CRAP and the battery will continue to drain even when the damn thing is off. Added to this is the fact that I had to order two replacement batteries because the first two that came in the box completely died after being used for a week. Don't be fooled! These things aren't worth it!
stroppytube 4 years ago
The only thing I dont liek is the text on the interface. Times new roman? ugh. lol
Charles2337 4 years ago
have u tried to connect to the internet using their browser? does it have wifi?
email me back or send me a message..thanks.
crxken 4 years ago
No iit doesn't have wifi,i have readen about this,I'm gonna buy this but before gonna look what others say about this,wifi doesnt matter
sohei88 4 years ago
Ok anyone wanting to get one of these bad boys need not look any further. Just contact me I deal directly with the Factory in Asia and can get any amount. They are really, really nice phones and too many things to describe what they can do. Just email me and i will hook you up.
Dimidad 4 years ago
were can i get one
do they work with tmobile
someguy8913 4 years ago
yes they do
TigerCuteki 4 years ago
How do you recharge this phone???!!?
adamtj2 4 years ago
recharging using the wall charger with the battery connected. or using the USB connected to the phone to the computer to charge it.
onlylindah 4 years ago
these phones are great, the battery lasts forever even if you watch a whole movie. It holds 2 movies on 256mb and also tons of songs. You can't go wrong with this phone. the interface isn't as good as the iphone, but does the iphone have a camcorder? nope this phones way to loud and customizable ringtones too many functions to list. get it for 159/free shipping. ask me how
onlylindah 4 years ago
How can i get this phone for $159? Is it brand new in the box? please respond thx!
youkoman 4 years ago
yeah how can i get this phone unlocked and all that good stuff for 159 freeshipping???
hazesus 4 years ago
where do u get one
golwey 3 years ago
u can get the cect p168c which is better then the p168+ trust me...the p168c is the 2008 june version better trust me
dsmjdm1234 3 years ago
This can be handy in the menüführung change in German please quick answer please!!!
edstylah10 4 years ago
The touch screen on this doesn't seem to be as fluidic as that on the real iphone. No pinch effect, no scroll with your fingers effect, no cover flow. And the interface is ugly.
DoctorSensitive 4 years ago
Getting mine tomorrow after school...gonna be cool
GamingMazter 4 years ago
Yeah for a month....
zyou8er 4 years ago
i have seen you on all these videos talking bad about the phone and if yours actually messed up then put a video up of it or shut the fuck up about it.
jaradwebb 4 years ago
SIMPLY JUNK, I Got mine on Sep 20th and its Oct 8th and its not working anymore, i didnt drop it or anything, dont buy dont buy dont buy, that is all....
zyou8er 4 years ago
thats why you buy one with warranty
anthonyle247 4 years ago
The one i got off ebay, the seller had a add with 1 year warranty, and now he wont reply or answear the phone, eighter way im not the only one that has problems with this phone....
zyou8er 4 years ago
I got a question, To Download Files/music or video, I turn off the phone connect the usb and my window media opens, then i drag what songs i want, and it says START SYNC and i click it, What do i do next to make sure the files or songs are on the phone now? Thank you.
zyou8er 4 years ago