And how the ... dare you take to me about being biased xD yes i just looked at your channel. Messages and videos all suggest you are just like 'mightoftheenglish'. (extreme nationalist)
Ow and the same for the largest empire in man kinds history. whereas the British had the largest amount of land several empires had a higher % of the world population in their empires mongols and china for example.
@Zonnewende88 You are the only one not listening to facts. Just thank us that the allies bothered to liberate your drug taking/ whore of a country. We could of let Goering become the head of it.
@ImperialGlory1920 Thank you for stopping the overpopulation in the world by always being at war and not to forget killing many millions of innocent people by genocide. And you just thank us for fighting the French and Romans otherwise you would have been ruled by one of them.... I would also like to thank you for causing the 1st and 2nd world war itself and causing Germany to invade the Netherlands in the first place..
@ImperialGlory1920 The educational system in Britain is failing, I guess.
If this was an invitation and not an invasion, why did William bring 25.000 troops. the greatest armada ever left for English shores bigger than the armada of 1066 or the Spanish armada) and why did he have to fight 3 pitched battles?
Some English protestants invited William...SOME.
England subdued quick due to vast numbers and internal religious conflict.Scotland and Ireland fought.
@Zonnewende88 Your Education must be pretty poor. Since James the 2nd wanted Britian to be catholic again, Parliament wanted him to piss off. So, we needed a protestant King...and Parliament invited William. If it were an invatio, the Dutch would of never make it to Britain.
@ImperialGlory1920 Maybe you just didn t bother to pay any attention to facts. Just like you did now to my post with facts in it.
You can t call regime change with supported by an army of 25.000 men and a large armada an invitation. This so called `invitation` was made bu only 7 (!) protestant Lords, after William threatened to invade.
The army of William fought 3 pitched battles (one of which the english army fled before doing battle). There is no way you can call this an invitation.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 'i know our negatives in hstory but i know our positives outweigh them,especially in the context of europe ,a europe that would of been a far worse place without our involvement.' You have always had a very aggressive foreign policy. Leaving most wars with terrible consequences.Not only colonies but also Germany after ww1 which created a perfect breeding place for Hitler. And you have only picked out 1 good incident in a 1000 years history trivializing numerous bad.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish For your education: the Dutch government before 2ww had in contrary of other countries extensive information about all citizens(including religion, address, etc.) and a heavily separated society in religion protestant/catholic and Jewish. Making it easy for the Germans to just pick them out. Also the Dutch Jewish key figures society decided to cooperate with the Germans which as we know now was a fatal mistake.
@jobhopper1 Number of dutch in the SS up to 22,000 , number of british in SS 27 most of them out of boredom of pow camps only a few out and out nazis , you want to look closer to home matey
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I know the bad and the good of Dutch history...don't worry we are educated about both in the Netherlands. But you are still being ignorant of the negatives in your history. see all your pathetic ways of not acknowledging events in british history and trying to move the discussion. Just acknowledge that the British are far from perfect and responsible for the death of many millions of innocent people.
@jobhopper1 you may see them as negatives, but your picking every little incident through a thousand years of history , emergencies like malaya and kenya had to be fought ,they all would of got ther independence anyway ,other countries were handed over peacefully ,you dont yield to the 1st bunch of rebels that rise up ,kenya and malaya would of been worse places if the mau maus and communist chinese,had forced us out
the same in NI ,the IRA wanted us out in 1973 , you would of had a bloody civil war if we had , cromwell to the irish may have been a demon, but fought under the rules of the day , and it was continous rebelling after the war had been won and treaties signed ,that contributed to the higher death toll in ireland , the worst so called seige was drogheda and wexford ,with a few thousand deaths in each seige
the famine in india was terrible , but to compare it in intent and dilliberacy,with involvement of leaders of govenment ,the use of army ,to compare it to the actions of nazi germany ,is way off,, i know our negatives in hstory but i know our positives outweigh them,especially in the context of europe ,a europe that would of been a far worse place without our involvement.
@jobhopper1 Of course. We were the best at being Imperialists, my forefathers ruled over the largest Empire in man-kinds history. However, the legacy of the Empire is characterized by the Commonwealth and has helped many emerging nations (from Colonialism). Indeed, all the Indians I met while I was in Bombay stated that they wished the British had left later. Some even resented Ghandi for pushing for British withdrawal so soon after WW2.
@jobhopper1 I dislike your tone anyway. It seems you don't have an impartial view for Britain's Imperial Policies and simply want to bring out everything bad. I acknowledge it, but that's Empire's for you, shit happens.
@Talbot6832 I was replying to one of you internet heroes extreme nationalists who failed to acknowledge Britain has a lot of bad history while only talking about the good. Also your statement 'we were the best at being imperialists' is debatable not only what the 'best' and still if you are referring to covering ground, profits etc. than you should take into account population size of the colonies and the colonists.
@jobhopper1 and as for malaya ,who was it that put the rubber plantations their in malaya , it was us who built that industry up, and left it, singapore , to , the malayan emergency wasnt a popular uprising by malayans , it was by the large chinese population, backed by communist china, malaya would of ended up a communist state , we took on the communist terrorists and beat them, then we handed malaya back to a democratic government as we did in kenya to
@jobhopper1 you wonder how many times britain doubles the amount of jewish deaths ?? what you on about now ,, 75% of the jewish population in holland died in ww2 most of them rounded up by nice dutch policemen , keep smoking the pot your people are so fond of lol
@jobhopper1 are you defending the holocaust deniers viewpoint that 6 million did not die , not just jews , but disabled , jehovah witnesss,communists,POWs and many thousands of european civilians taken as slave labour, that it was all lies and the SS and einsatzgruppen were just misunderstood high spirited germans , the SS killed thousands of SA to get power , there not british figures but german ,up to 50,000 were buried at belsen , anne frank amongst them,
@jobhopper1 silly thing like the commonwealth , which receives aid , trades , has the commonwealth games , and many other close ties , the silly thing is the so called european union were theres little unity , little trust and everyone looking out for themelves
some of the Dutch antilles are now a county of the netherlands. and strong links still exist with Suriname even though its less now as the Dutch don't like the Criminal president.
300k ethnic Kikuyu of Kenya, torture of hundreds of thousands more, and the internment of the entire Kikuyu population, in-20th -century Kenya.THE BRITS SIMPLY DESTROYED EVERY RECORD of the massacres
@jobhopper1 the kikuyu of kenya was just one tribe within kenya , they had no mandate to grab power by force ,,the terrorist mau maus were blood thirsty animals , who attacked settlers murdered them, then attacked loyalist kikuyu , burning ,hacking them to bits , if we had pulled out of kenya , you would of had people like the mau mau in charge , your numbers are well over blown by far, if they had got power kenya would of ended up like rwanda
@jobhopper1 the partition of india haha , blaming us for that , thats stupid ,and that what happens when you leave a country to quickly , thats why we fought others , so to leave with a stable government , india wanted independence, and fast, encouraged by americans and the new UN , we were guilty of leaving quickly , it was the hindus and muslim leaders who insisted on a muslim state etc , no one certainly not the british encouraged muslims and hindus to attack each other ,your way wrong
@jobhopper1 the modern english state was formed by episosodes of genocidal violence against internal enemies ,,, give examples , weve had civil wars ,powers struggles ,what country hasnt
(among them the Normans' murderous dispersal ↑ of the Anglo-Saxon peasantry in Yorkshire , the massacre ↑ of Jews at York in 1190, Oliver Cromwell's slaughter of Irish civilians
@jobhopper1 oliver cromwells slaughter of irish civilians , ha , nice try trying to demonise cromwell, cromwell fought as all armies if the 17th century fought all through europe , during the war in ireland ,cromwell laid seige to drogheda , they would not yeild so the rules of the day,the town could expect no mercy , as it was ,only a few thousand died , cromwell wasnt there at wexford when the same thing happend ,compare that to up to 30,000 who were butchered at magdeberg in 30years war
so there was 2 sackings in ireland wexford and drogheda , other towns that opened their gates were spared , the leader of the irish ,was let go ,as long as he went into exile , other rebels who would not have peace were exiled to , cromwell has been demonised by the irish , yet at drogheda it was a protestant town with mixed irish and loyalist troops
@jobhopper1 what about the normans , they wernt english , who did rebel for a decade or more , resulting in the harrowing of the north ,scored earth everything destroyed ,why dont you mention the 100,000 iceni massacred by the romans lol , or the thousands of welsh druids killed by romans on anglesey
’estimate that there were 12-33 million avoidable deaths by famine in India the hurried partition of the Indian subcontinent brought about a million deaths in the ensuing panic and violence.
Brave Dutch yeah must have been so hard conquering a nation that LET you in. It's a shame the British rose to prominence dominating trade and forcing the Dutch into obscurity. And then utterly humiliating them at Camperdown to finish the job. Not sure my Grandad, who fought in Holland to liberate it, would appreciate a video like this? Mmmmm?
@Talbot6832 As a Dutchman I wouldn't call it conquering either. But William III did got the crown and was the only real foreigner after William the Conquerer who got to sit on the thrown of England. He defeated the legitimate king Charles II at the Boyne and so in fact he did defeated the current government at that time. Be honoust the Dutch were stronger at that time then the British. Like you said a little bit, both our nations had their hights.
@Talbot6832 The Dutch from 1600-1700 the British from 1700-1900. I think even an Englishman has to accept what a daring action this was. Let's just say Britain did not always ruled the waves ;p.
@juultjuh99 are you daft or what , william of orange did not invade he was invited , there was no battle , no nothing ,england did not want a catholic monarch , so william was invited to take the crown, simple , nothing daring ,their was no conquest ,their was no resistance as they were invited , do you think we,d just allow a foreigner in unopposed haha ,the clip is a fantasy joke
@TheMightOfTheEnglish an unlegitamete king. Just because a Dutchman once sad on your thrown doesn't give you reason to act like this. A Frenchman once sad on the Dutch thrown and I have nothing against the French instead I adore French history.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Did I said invade? No, so please get your facts straight before you shout nonsense. But the navy he brought along was three times the size of the Spanish armade. Since James was still the legitimate king it was still a war and a fight against the government. This battle was eventually fought at the Boyne. Yes, half of the country applauded the coming of William as protestant king and yes some members of parliament invited them, but still for a lot of
@juultjuh99 Did I said invade? No, so please get your facts straight before you shout nonsense. But the navy he brought along was three times the size of the Spanish armade. Since James was still the legitimate king it was still a war and a fight against the government. This battle was eventually fought at the Boyne. Yes, half of the country applauded the coming of William as protestant king and yes some members of parliament invited them, but still for a lot of English he was also.
What historical crap. For some strange reason you missed the part where William wrote a letter to English parlimentarians requesting their support before he landed. He refused to land unless the English backed him, which they did. The letter still exists.
The Dutch have had some great victories against many nations including the English and French but the glorious revolution of 1688 isn`t one of them.
You must have been to the Donald Rumsfeld school of history.
@arsenaljsutliffuk the dutch and the english where like a bad romance haha one time they fight each other, the other time they fought together vs france and spain etc...the 2 top country's at that time couldnt stand each other,but couldnt live without each other:P cray huh hehe
Okie doke, right I am a history major at an English university. No historian i have ever read.. And believe me I’ve read a lot on this topic... describes the events of 1688 as a Dutch conquest... That is pretty ridiculous... try reading Pincus he has an excellent book on the glorious revolution. It was a bloodless
@mmtos28 as a major at an UK university I have a good understanding of this period and of the event. and while i dont think the glorious revolution had all positive outcomes, most negative... I know my historiography and i know all the professional arguements,. if you bothered to read the author i suggested u wud find he is american.. name a historian and a book that proves me wrong... i dare ya!
@Jonathan3089 Im American, with English roots (surname, bloodline, etc) and I have to say that reading through history as written by an Englishman is like watching a movie thats "based on a true story". Sure there is plenty of truth in there, and events seem to justify the story, but things dont always add up and the English never seem to be in the wrong or at all weak. If there is one thing about Anglican culture, its that we LOVE to romanticize and revise our own history.
@snappy452 The difficulty with gaining an absolutley true account prior to 1900 is that individuals who chroniclised events were usually bias. + its very difficult to create a movie from the past and it be really accurate. most historians are bias in their opinions too. the glorious revolution is a very good example... thre are whigs and tories... catholic + protestants ect... what benfited 1 group damaged the other. i agre alt of films are dodgy, look at the iron lady for example.
@Jonathan3089 Youve just basically proven youre own wrong in youre arguement. That youre a major at an ENGLISH universaty proves that you deal with the English deniel and belive it, in many other nations, like France, Belgium, Holland and Germany. This is all called the Dutch Invasion of Britain. That something was bloodless doesnt mean that it wasnt an invasion. Many Invasions have been done in which no blood flowed.
@kkkeeekkkable So an English university is revisionist but a Dutch university isn`t, please.
Nobody lives in a social vacuum, all nations indulge in some level of revisionism. The Brits call waterloo a British rather than a allied victory. The French forget the Normans hated the Franks as much as the Anglo Saxons and that half of Nopoleons Grande armee was foreign.. Many Germans and Japanese are rewriting the causes for WW2. There is no such thing as a definative real history, it doesn`t exist.
@Frenchkisssss English is still considered to be a Germanic language with Latin and French words mixed into it. As Inksmudge said the Normans hated the Franks, infact the King of France invaded Normandy twice and failed to take it. The Norman's conquered England for themselves rather than for France
@MultiAngryguy Yeah but they were French , they spoke french. France is a combination of many nation, among them , the Franks , the Norman , the Breton , the Basque . Could you understand or i have to repeat it in French ? the fact that those people are considered now as french make their history also part of France.
@Frenchkisssss The Norman and Plantagenet nobility could speak English (lower ranks of nobility like Knight's and Barons would have adopted English faster due to the fact that they would have been closer to the commoner's). Once again you ignored what Inksmudge said, just because America speaks English doesnt make it and English colony, same for Scotland, England remained an independant nation after the conquest even though the nobility spoke French for a time.
@Frenchkisssss I dont deny that the French had influence in English/British history. I disagree with your second part of your argument though, England/Britain influenced the medieval world heaviliy with the story of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table. Many Knight's and kings (2 of Englands kings Edward I and Edward III) were influenced by Arthurs chivalry, Edward III made an order of Knights to mirror the KOTRT (Edwards order was known as the Garter).
@Frenchkisssss the only role france has played is flying the white flag lol ,not neccessarily the other way round , didnt the english king rule half of france, he was almostking of france but died before he was crowned, crecy agincourt , we took canada off you , kicked you out of india, ,we got rid of your napoleon ,plus ww1 ,france would of been beaten, and ww2 ,without britian, you would never of been liberated
@Frenchkisssss normans wernt french ,they were of norse stock, most normans took anglo saxon wives , and after a couple of hundred years were bred out , absorbed into the english nation ,just like irish normans were ,,
@juultjuh99 you won a couple of wars ,gained little, you cheekly sailed up to chatham ,and must admit was a daring raid , but at the end of the day we put you in your place ,took new york ,cape colonies etc ,had the largest empire the world had seen, and liberated you in ww2 lol .. william of orange was invited ,not invaded
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Well I think the victories between the Dutch and English were about even. We retaked New York, but gave it to you again later, the Cape colonies were taken because the Netherlands was occupied by the French at that time and yes you had the largest empire, but like I said both our nations had their moment of glory.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish How did 'you' put the Netherlands in its place? it was William of Orange ruling England and the Netherlands who caused the Netherlands to fall into a bad position. Also 'you' didn't liberate anyone the victory over the Germans was a combined effort of countries not to forget the large contribution of Russia in ww2 as well as nationals(Polish) who fled from occupied countries and the resistance. It wasn't the UK vs Germany xD that is why its called WW2.
@jobhopper1 cheek dutch twat, why ? ill tell you why ,it was british and canadian troops that mainly liberated holland, it was the british who dropped food on dutch starving people ,when the german tried to starve you out, your royal family fled here ,and free dutch radio,,and we supplied most resistance with their equipment, your resistance was minimal,and a lot of intelligence could not be trusted ,, how many dutch joined the SS ,plus you had a large pro nazi movement
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Together with the especially the Canadians but also the US, and the often forgotten Polish. Which would have never succeeded if the Russians hadn't put in the effort on the eastern front with over 10 000 000 military deaths. I always feel the English and Americans try to brag a bit to much about your victories and ignore any wrong doing you have done or mention the others contributing to the WW2.
@jobhopper1 lets put it this way .russia alone would of been beat,, germany would of won ww2 if they had won the battle of britain, ,germany would of dominated the atlantic, german cities not bombed, possibly of developed the atomic bomb first, how could america get across the atlantic without britain being still free, , america via persia , supplied the soviets ,with over 90% of their trucks,and over 1500 train engines, and other vital supplies
those trucks helped transport troops and supplies and those trains transported soviet tanks from the urals to the front, would of been a lot harder without them, yes the bulk of the fighting was on the eastern front,, no one says differently, all said it was the british ,and canadians who liberated th bulk of holland, poles had some divisions,but wouldnt of made much difference to the end result, yes it mighten of succeeded without the russians, but they wouldnt of won without us either
wrong doing ,what wrong doing , nazi germany invaded almost every country in western europe , bombed everywhere they went , then complained when we bombed them, nearly every major british town was bombed , V1s V 2s rained on london late in the war, they were still sinking out ships almost to the end of the war , germany bombed rotterdam, ,trandported dutch jews, shot civilians in reprisals , you tell me what atrocities the british army did in ww2 if you can
@TheMightOfTheEnglish i wasn't talking about WW2 like i said you only focus on the good you have done without considering the bad. In South Africa for example the Uk was losing badly against the immigrants from mainland Europe. That is when the English invented genocide and concentration camps to stop the freedomfighters/terrorists. The involvement in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. You can keep living in the 2ww and ignore these but the rest of the world doesn't.
@jobhopper1 haha their you go ,we were talking about ww 2 , then you bring south africa up, youve just blown your argument right out of the water , and shown your leanings , hey the dutch tried to hold on to indonesia by force after ww2 ,getting us involved to,,, i dont see a commonwealth of holland today ,or of germany or france or spain, yet nearly all of our ex empire countries stayed in the british commonwealth , and south africa even rejoined
@jobhopper1 in the boer war , it was the boers who attacked first , and yes they beseiged certain towns , and took defeats , the end result was never in doubt ,, and who supplied the boers with their rifles and artillary ,germany did,
those camps were internment camps , not extermination camps , they were called concentration camps ,because many people were concentrated in a relatively small area , the british army to defeat the boers who started to fight a guerilla war , they yes burnt boer farms, took their supplies and ,took their familes away to internment camps ,and cut the guerillas off , it worked ... but because we were soldiers and not prison keepers ,facilities and hygene was not good enough
you know quite well it wasnt genocide , desease broke out and because of bad hygene and the close proximity of internees , desease broke out and yes thousands died , ,it wasnt through intent ,like the nazis did , it was terrible yes ,and there was outrage in parliament,and it was a british women who exposed the bad conditions, its not written anywhere that the british intended to kill prisoners , conditions did improve but to late ,,more british died through desease also than fighting
so im not having this intentional genocide rubbish, it was awful and terrible , no doubt , but no different to what the americans did to japanese americans and vietnamese , it was general sherman who coined the phrase FINAL SOLUTION,in their intentional genocide of the plains indians, america had concentration camps in their war on the phillipines , and america held thousands of germans in open camps on the rhine in 1945,little food ,desease broke out and thousands of germanPOWs died
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And they were innocent people mostly females and children only to put pressure on guerrilla's unable to escape the bad conditions
@jobhopper1 yes the victims in south africa in the camps were mainly women and children,its terrible it happend ,but dont come here saying we intentionally murdered them,comparing them to german extermination camps of ww2 ,,some boers fought the british in ww2 ,but most joined up on the british side ,there was no act of parliament in westminster or speeches calling the boers untermenchen and no final solution speeches ,that boers should be wiped out
@jobhopper1 just pointing out facts ,that the british empire ,with all its faults ,was no empire of Nazis who never put anything back into those countries, india for instance we built railways,roads univercities schools,,industry,united a continent into one,with government policeforce army ,british trained,we stopped the thugees and stopped the practice of sati indians came to england to univercity,eg ghandi ,no we wernt perfect but we wernt for example like spain who wiped out whole peoples
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Great Irish Faminem, India, Malaya, Several African countries, Bombings/ gassing in Sudan, Iraq, Palestine fire bombing Japan villages i'll help you and post some quotes
@jobhopper1 hong kong , a bare island apart from a couple of fishing villages ,100 years later a rich modern city a centre of trade and commerce,that what the chinese got back,not a ravaged pillaged land ,same with singapore, zimbabwe was relatively rich,a food producer,and exporter ,now look a it , as i said wheres your dutch commonwealth ,they couldnt wait to get rid lol were still close to our commonwealth ,now again if we were that bad ,their wouldnt be one ,theywouldnt want to know us
@jobhopper1 so theres your proof , a commonwealth ,with the queen as its head ,close links ,in trade ,history and sport even, theres your proof , now if we were this evil empire they wouldnt touch us with a barge pole ,
@jobhopper1 so matey im not biased look what the decendants of boers did after ww2 the mainly afrikaaner nationalist party brought in apartied in South africa they were racist to the british decendants as well as the blacks those decendents of yours in SA ,werent the nicest people on the planet the british werent perfect but compared to other empires we were ,germans with the herero people in SW afrika the belgians in the congo ,french in indochina and algeria spanish with incas and aztecs
@jobhopper1 as for afganistan , that was a total legal invasion, i think its wrong to try and nation build a stone age people almost but the invasion was justified , al queda trained and were armed by the taliban, and the taliban let al queda ,use afgan bases to attack the west ,, bali bombing,attack on uss cole,the american embassey in kenya, the madrid bombs ,london bombs , and 9/11 bali and 9/11 many british were killed , ,iraq wasnt right even though the worlds better without saddam
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I conclude this argument now as i am not an extreme nationalist(looking at your name and favorites) who has to argue in a who's best discussion. I have lived in England, Germany and the Netherlands and feel it would be ignorant and useless to discuss this especially with such a biased person.
@jobhopper1bit cheeky having a go at us should we of left iraq occupy kuwait ,torture its people or let him continue to gas the kurds,and kill thousands of shiites in the south, should of we let the serbs commit genocide on the bosnian muslims, or kosovo albanians going further should of we let napoleon conquer all europe should of we gave in to the nazis in 1940youd still be occupied by germany today,weve challenged dictators .rogue states,nazis communist worldwide weve done more good than bad
@jobhopper1 my name might of the english , wasnt to glorify our nation as conquerers , it was ment to get up irish republican noses ,, you know quite well through european history that we took on european powers , the spanish ,most powerful nation in their day, the armada, several invasion attempts , beat the powerful french , several times through history ,napoleon ,yes the dutch were at waterloo to, the kaiser , mussolini ,hitler , and were victorious each time, all sides had allies
as for my favourates ,, some are about the navy and army and air force yes , but most are music videos 60s soul , tamla motown ,british music from 60s 70s 80s , punk rock ,plus some american mainstream, nothing extreme or nationalist about my saved videos,, the background originally was out of my grandfathers role in ww1 fought in the navy and army ,, ill give it a rest now ,,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You still don't get the point i wasn't trying to discuss these incidents i only showed that the modern day English are trying to glorify England's history without acknowledging both the good and the bad your comments are the perfect example
@jobhopper1 you,ll find its the opposite , all these foriegn nations pointing out the bad points of the empire , you missed out the opium war with china , another shameful event,, people like yourself only look at athe bad bits and make us look like some nazi conquerers , or japanese conquerers , if we was as bad as you all say,, why did nearly all ex empire countries stay within the commonwealth ,and why did leave those countries in a far better state than we arrived
@TheMightOfTheEnglish We the Dutch for example do recognize we were heavily involved in slave trade and bad conditions existed in the colonies. We however don't feel the need to deny this or justify the bad in anyway.
@jobhopper1 we british also reconise the slave trade ,theres no more politically correct country than here,and weve enough black heritage to keep reminding us ,theres a slavery section of a museum in liverpool , but on the otherhand it was the british who outlawed slavery in 1807 ,long before other countries ,ie america,who abolished it in 1865 ,but still had an apartied until the 1960s in the south.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I was merely stating that the English and US act as if the did everything on there own whereas others Polish, canadian and russians aren't trying to claim the victory for themselves. Your comments to fit this picture perfectly.
@jobhopper1 your totally wrong about my views , the russians go on if they won it ,the yanks also, and if you look at documentries ,the british hardly get a mention,, we all won it together ,all the allies, a always acknowledge our canadian brothers and their role , as well as the others ,, poland suffered greatly i know , but only played a small role ,and were under the british ,they suffered terribly in the occupation, and were betrayed by the soviets in the warsaw uprising,,
all i said was it was mainly the british who liberated holland,the canadians to under briitish command played a major role,some poles and americans to, the soviets didnt liberate holland did they, if they had you would of had another terrible occupation, the russians blow their own trumpets ,i comment on our role ,ive never said we won the war oursellves anywhere
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And yes a few of the Dutch were pro German most were against. I don't find this odd however they had seen how Hitler had created a very powerfull economic nation from a war torn country in just a few years. And the german propaganda also applied to the Dutch as a Germanic race. and the resistance was small the amount of people helping refugees however large...
@TheMightOfTheEnglish and intelligence not to be trusted well if you had any sense you would know that in an occupied country were torture and blackmailing is normal you can't expect the info to always be spot on. Also the equipment supplied xD don't you think it was also in your own best interest to free the netherlands as the Germans were shooting v1's and v2's. To attack britain was the only reason the Germans invaded so we could even blame you lot :P
@jobhopper1 did i say we won the war ww2 alone ,no i didnt ,i say we liberated you ,and thats a fact,, ,and we put you in your place when you tried your luck ,during the american war of independence ,as did the french and spanish, you were never the same and we releived you of several of your colonies,,take a look at all the red of the british empire compared to your bits,, your were trying to be the world No1 trrading power ,but in the end you failed
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The UK was trying to be the no1 trading power to just like any other country and in the end you failed... And during the american war of Independence the Netherlands was trying to be Neutral not prepared for war and the Dutch still managed to deliver many weapons to the US. And all this doesn't matter anymore as we can look at the here and now... Just look at the current situation you'll see the Netherlands scores better in almost any aspect XD.
@jobhopper1 great britain did become the worlds greatest trading power up to ww2 we had the largest military navy and the largest merchant navy, we traded all round the world , and empire ,and started the industrial revolution, no one could touch us , not bragging just fact,, who invented the steam engine trains, all manner of machinery, steam ships , bridges electric motor,lighting etc , yes rotterdam is the busiest sea port today, but that handles european trade ,as we,ll as its own
@Frenchkisssss Conquered? Religion was more important than nationality in that period. A Catholic King was unthinkable for the English hence ALLOWING the Orange's over. Besides, your 9th Army buckled as soon as the Germans farted on your side of the border allowing them to conquer your country and forcing the British to escape.
@kkkeeekkkable the fact that im a major at an ENGLISH university proves that I have a good understanding of this period and of the event. and while i dont think the glorious revolution had all positive outcomes, most negative... I know my historiography and i know all the professional arguements,. if you bothered to read the author i suggested u wud find he is american.. name a historian and a book that proves your point!
revolution in England. It was a joint monarchy. With King William of Orange and Queen Mary, who was English, and daughter of the previous king James II.. The whole affair was really about a greater war against expansionist, catholic France and the religious rights of the English people.
And we conquered you 2 times , Loui XIV in 1672 , and Napoleon 1805 . In fact we invided you several times but i m gonna stop right now i dont want to appear arrogant ...
I love the begining "according to the british , never happened " LOL We french have conquered the british ! The Norman conquest of England , its why there is more than 60 % of french word in English lqnguage , so get your fact straight dude ! Google it if you dont believe me .
@Frenchkisssss What do you mean WE french. The Normans were decended from vikings and spent most of their time attacking the Franks. It was because the vikings were getting battered by the forces of Alfred the Great that they headed south.The Frank king was so scared of them he gave them a large chunk of his territory. The kingdom of the Franks was considered easy pickings for the Normans. The only time the Frank king did try to boot out the Normans in 942 by attacking Rouen they were annialated
@Frenchkisssss France didn`t exist in 1066.The tiny kingdom of the Franks did. The rest were autonomous fiefdoms who spoke different languages. You should know that. And the Americans speak English that doesn`t make them English does it. How about the Scots they speak English, my grandads a scot, you call him English and he would chin you.
To conquer someone you need to invade a country and take it by force of arms against an army of its inhabitants. Not be invited and supported by the people
@Zonnewende88 jajaja little tapas ?? remember DUKE OF ALBA ; )
The Dutches tell this history to the children who behave themselves badly....Spanish empire was 10000 times biguer than dutch ,,,,dutch need the help of uk,france ....
@CapitanFiro Beaten by a small country, losing an empire and being bitchslapped on a global scale by your former territories.....If we Dutch would only have half of the territory you had, we would be the supreme rulers......
@Zonnewende88 look dutch now x D remember my question how many people speak dutch ?? SPANISH 400 MILLION !!
OH YES DUTCH DISCOVERED AND CONQUEST AMERICA TOO MMMM SPANISH HISTORY IS GREAT ....only a fucking storm for this reason brits dont speak spanish ...we have nelson arm in tenerife ( spain ) ,,,xD ....
@CapitanFiro You were lost an empire, you lost the wars. The spanish Empire desolved after the Dutch Anglo pact, making the Dutch and latter the Brits rulers of the world.
You lost empires, you lost your own territory and you are losing your economy right now.
@Zonnewende88 we have had lights and shades but it does not remove the merit of anything ...many europe and america nations was spanish ...spanish "tercios"rules the world for 150 years spain was a powerful and been afraid country and often only the bad luck ( armada invencibili) to rules the world more time . we are good people but suffering from many males and historical faults : / the crisis is global not alone Spanish , SPAIN was in the ranking 8 world before crisis sorry my english
@Zonnewende88 This money is not free generates a debt that to you does them more richer and to us more poor, if the Spanish we do not have money to buy your cars or any thing from UE ..since your countries are going to progress?? It is a simple market economy to be able to fight with USA, CHINA ,INDIA, if we retire the help for example to greekk we lose ALL!!,
SPAIN STILL HAS NOT BEEN RESCUED and probably dont need it (?).SPAIN cant down look italy too..if any of this countries down ALL down!
do you know the best of spain dead in trafalgar ?? almiran CHURRUCA and biguest ship ever built his name SANTISIMA TRINIDAD ...the final of spain was really with the french invasion(1808) ( napoleon ) we won and but my country was destroyed ...brits help ours in this time : D
@Zonnewende88 dutch lost his empire too ,brits too...portuguese and french too... : /
we all have a GREAT HISTORY .... : D we now are friends ,ue members,otan members ....if spain down UE down : / spain is the economy of greek+portugal+ireland toguether !! ue dont have money for save spain ,,,,,,,,,,,but remember my words i know the spaniars ...spain never FAIL we are working very hard for save our country .....SPAIN SAVED EUROPE FROM TURKEY IN THE BATTLE OF LEPANTO DONT FORGUET
@CapitanFiro Spain saved Europe???? That were the French too (actually the Frankish GERMANIC tribes which have nothing in common with France).....Defeating the Moors. I am not impressed by your Spanish history, sorry....
@Zonnewende88 HAHA ok but if you like History study the battle of LEPANTO or CARTAGENA DE INDIAS (BLAS DE LEZO vs 186 brits ship the biguest armada before Normandia ...the spanish won ) ...you have many examples in spanish History ...we fought and dead with honour for example in TRAFALGAR only for the stupid french commander Villenueve ( suicide ) we lost ...
TENERIFE ( Nelson ) ....etc etc etc etc i dont need impressed you only READ a History book and never can say the spanish are cowards
@Zonnewende88 beaten ?? spanish fought alone dutch needed uk,france etc etc ....the middle of europe was spanish ,3/4 of america !! spanish live in holland fought in holland not holland live and fought in spain ,,,,FLANDES WAS SPANISH ,,,,spain never was dutch !! x D hahahahhahahahah
Kunnen we allemaal niet gewoon genieten van de rijke historie van Nederland?
JA ENGELAND IS BETER, WIJ ZIJN ALLEMAAL ZO GOED MAN!!! (voorbeeldje...)
Wat maakt het nou uit wie er beter was, sterker, etc.
(!) Uiteindelijk heeft ieder land wel iets waar het trots op kan zijn!
Wij hebben laten zien dat een klein landje een van de grootste wereld machten kan worden!
Zhissor 3 days ago
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If wars were won by feasting,
Or victory by song,
Or safety found, by sleeping sound
How England would be strong!
But honour and dominion
Are not maintained so,
They’re only got by sword and shot
And this the Dutchmen know!
R Kipling
Zonnewende88 3 days ago
And how the ... dare you take to me about being biased xD yes i just looked at your channel. Messages and videos all suggest you are just like 'mightoftheenglish'. (extreme nationalist)
jobhopper1 3 days ago
Ow and the same for the largest empire in man kinds history. whereas the British had the largest amount of land several empires had a higher % of the world population in their empires mongols and china for example.
jobhopper1 3 days ago
If wars were won by feasting,
Or victory by song,
Or safety found, by sleeping sound
How England would be strong!
But honour and dominion
Are not maintained so,
They’re only got by sword and shot
And this the Dutchmen know!
R Kipling
Zonnewende88 5 days ago
@Zonnewende88 You are the only one not listening to facts. Just thank us that the allies bothered to liberate your drug taking/ whore of a country. We could of let Goering become the head of it.
ImperialGlory1920 4 days ago
@ImperialGlory1920 You are, like you did again, not staying on topic.
I presented you with facts and you seem to be happy rambling about the second world war.
Utter idiot.
Zonnewende88 3 days ago
@ImperialGlory1920 Thank you for stopping the overpopulation in the world by always being at war and not to forget killing many millions of innocent people by genocide. And you just thank us for fighting the French and Romans otherwise you would have been ruled by one of them.... I would also like to thank you for causing the 1st and 2nd world war itself and causing Germany to invade the Netherlands in the first place..
jobhopper1 2 days ago
Not really an Invation if you are invited. The Dutch know jack all obviously.
ImperialGlory1920 6 days ago
@ImperialGlory1920 The educational system in Britain is failing, I guess.
If this was an invitation and not an invasion, why did William bring 25.000 troops. the greatest armada ever left for English shores bigger than the armada of 1066 or the Spanish armada) and why did he have to fight 3 pitched battles?
Some English protestants invited William...SOME.
England subdued quick due to vast numbers and internal religious conflict.Scotland and Ireland fought.
Zonnewende88 5 days ago
@Zonnewende88 Your Education must be pretty poor. Since James the 2nd wanted Britian to be catholic again, Parliament wanted him to piss off. So, we needed a protestant King...and Parliament invited William. If it were an invatio, the Dutch would of never make it to Britain.
ImperialGlory1920 5 days ago
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Zonnewende88 4 days ago
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@ImperialGlory1920 Maybe you just didn t bother to pay any attention to facts. Just like you did now to my post with facts in it.
You can t call regime change with supported by an army of 25.000 men and a large armada an invitation. This so called `invitation` was made bu only 7 (!) protestant Lords, after William threatened to invade.
The army of William fought 3 pitched battles (one of which the english army fled before doing battle). There is no way you can call this an invitation.
Zonnewende88 4 days ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish 'i know our negatives in hstory but i know our positives outweigh them,especially in the context of europe ,a europe that would of been a far worse place without our involvement.' You have always had a very aggressive foreign policy. Leaving most wars with terrible consequences.Not only colonies but also Germany after ww1 which created a perfect breeding place for Hitler. And you have only picked out 1 good incident in a 1000 years history trivializing numerous bad.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish your explanation for the many millions of deaths caused by Britain = Dutch Jews died in 2ww?? Silly extreme nationalist xD
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish For your education: the Dutch government before 2ww had in contrary of other countries extensive information about all citizens(including religion, address, etc.) and a heavily separated society in religion protestant/catholic and Jewish. Making it easy for the Germans to just pick them out. Also the Dutch Jewish key figures society decided to cooperate with the Germans which as we know now was a fatal mistake.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 Number of dutch in the SS up to 22,000 , number of british in SS 27 most of them out of boredom of pow camps only a few out and out nazis , you want to look closer to home matey
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I know the bad and the good of Dutch history...don't worry we are educated about both in the Netherlands. But you are still being ignorant of the negatives in your history. see all your pathetic ways of not acknowledging events in british history and trying to move the discussion. Just acknowledge that the British are far from perfect and responsible for the death of many millions of innocent people.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 you may see them as negatives, but your picking every little incident through a thousand years of history , emergencies like malaya and kenya had to be fought ,they all would of got ther independence anyway ,other countries were handed over peacefully ,you dont yield to the 1st bunch of rebels that rise up ,kenya and malaya would of been worse places if the mau maus and communist chinese,had forced us out
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
the same in NI ,the IRA wanted us out in 1973 , you would of had a bloody civil war if we had , cromwell to the irish may have been a demon, but fought under the rules of the day , and it was continous rebelling after the war had been won and treaties signed ,that contributed to the higher death toll in ireland , the worst so called seige was drogheda and wexford ,with a few thousand deaths in each seige
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
the famine in india was terrible , but to compare it in intent and dilliberacy,with involvement of leaders of govenment ,the use of army ,to compare it to the actions of nazi germany ,is way off,, i know our negatives in hstory but i know our positives outweigh them,especially in the context of europe ,a europe that would of been a far worse place without our involvement.
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 Of course. We were the best at being Imperialists, my forefathers ruled over the largest Empire in man-kinds history. However, the legacy of the Empire is characterized by the Commonwealth and has helped many emerging nations (from Colonialism). Indeed, all the Indians I met while I was in Bombay stated that they wished the British had left later. Some even resented Ghandi for pushing for British withdrawal so soon after WW2.
Talbot6832 3 days ago
@jobhopper1 I dislike your tone anyway. It seems you don't have an impartial view for Britain's Imperial Policies and simply want to bring out everything bad. I acknowledge it, but that's Empire's for you, shit happens.
Talbot6832 3 days ago
@Talbot6832 I was replying to one of you internet heroes extreme nationalists who failed to acknowledge Britain has a lot of bad history while only talking about the good. Also your statement 'we were the best at being imperialists' is debatable not only what the 'best' and still if you are referring to covering ground, profits etc. than you should take into account population size of the colonies and the colonists.
jobhopper1 3 days ago
I wonder how many times Britain doubles the amount of jewish Deaths caused by the Germans. What do you think mightoftheenglish?
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 and as for malaya ,who was it that put the rubber plantations their in malaya , it was us who built that industry up, and left it, singapore , to , the malayan emergency wasnt a popular uprising by malayans , it was by the large chinese population, backed by communist china, malaya would of ended up a communist state , we took on the communist terrorists and beat them, then we handed malaya back to a democratic government as we did in kenya to
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 you wonder how many times britain doubles the amount of jewish deaths ?? what you on about now ,, 75% of the jewish population in holland died in ww2 most of them rounded up by nice dutch policemen , keep smoking the pot your people are so fond of lol
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 are you defending the holocaust deniers viewpoint that 6 million did not die , not just jews , but disabled , jehovah witnesss,communists,POWs and many thousands of european civilians taken as slave labour, that it was all lies and the SS and einsatzgruppen were just misunderstood high spirited germans , the SS killed thousands of SA to get power , there not british figures but german ,up to 50,000 were buried at belsen , anne frank amongst them,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
The Netherlands doesn't have a silly thing like the common wealth. We work together with almost anyone trustworthy no need for special friendships.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 silly thing like the commonwealth , which receives aid , trades , has the commonwealth games , and many other close ties , the silly thing is the so called european union were theres little unity , little trust and everyone looking out for themelves
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
some of the Dutch antilles are now a county of the netherlands. and strong links still exist with Suriname even though its less now as the Dutch don't like the Criminal president.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
300k ethnic Kikuyu of Kenya, torture of hundreds of thousands more, and the internment of the entire Kikuyu population, in-20th -century Kenya.THE BRITS SIMPLY DESTROYED EVERY RECORD of the massacres
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 the kikuyu of kenya was just one tribe within kenya , they had no mandate to grab power by force ,,the terrorist mau maus were blood thirsty animals , who attacked settlers murdered them, then attacked loyalist kikuyu , burning ,hacking them to bits , if we had pulled out of kenya , you would of had people like the mau mau in charge , your numbers are well over blown by far, if they had got power kenya would of ended up like rwanda
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
Britain became in this period the major donor of the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) government that had secured its rule after the genocide;
jobhopper1 1 week ago
but Labour failed to oppose the RPF's own aggression, amounting in some places to genocidal massacre, in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 the republic of congo was never part of our empire thats belgians territory
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
The British state was also deeply implicated in the mutually destructive violence of the Indian partition of 1947,
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 the partition of india haha , blaming us for that , thats stupid ,and that what happens when you leave a country to quickly , thats why we fought others , so to leave with a stable government , india wanted independence, and fast, encouraged by americans and the new UN , we were guilty of leaving quickly , it was the hindus and muslim leaders who insisted on a muslim state etc , no one certainly not the british encouraged muslims and hindus to attack each other ,your way wrong
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
in which 12 million people were forced from their homes and at least 250,000 died. This violence now widely seen as genocidal
jobhopper1 1 week ago
The modern English state itself was formed and secured in part through episodes of genocidal violence against internal enemies
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 the modern english state was formed by episosodes of genocidal violence against internal enemies ,,, give examples , weve had civil wars ,powers struggles ,what country hasnt
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
(among them the Normans' murderous dispersal ↑ of the Anglo-Saxon peasantry in Yorkshire , the massacre ↑ of Jews at York in 1190, Oliver Cromwell's slaughter of Irish civilians
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 oliver cromwells slaughter of irish civilians , ha , nice try trying to demonise cromwell, cromwell fought as all armies if the 17th century fought all through europe , during the war in ireland ,cromwell laid seige to drogheda , they would not yeild so the rules of the day,the town could expect no mercy , as it was ,only a few thousand died , cromwell wasnt there at wexford when the same thing happend ,compare that to up to 30,000 who were butchered at magdeberg in 30years war
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
so there was 2 sackings in ireland wexford and drogheda , other towns that opened their gates were spared , the leader of the irish ,was let go ,as long as he went into exile , other rebels who would not have peace were exiled to , cromwell has been demonised by the irish , yet at drogheda it was a protestant town with mixed irish and loyalist troops
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 what about the normans , they wernt english , who did rebel for a decade or more , resulting in the harrowing of the north ,scored earth everything destroyed ,why dont you mention the 100,000 iceni massacred by the romans lol , or the thousands of welsh druids killed by romans on anglesey
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
’estimate that there were 12-33 million avoidable deaths by famine in India the hurried partition of the Indian subcontinent brought about a million deaths in the ensuing panic and violence.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
This is also a nice example from the Anglo-Dutch wars watch?v=mCDbninMLkg
juultjuh99 4 weeks ago
Brave Dutch yeah must have been so hard conquering a nation that LET you in. It's a shame the British rose to prominence dominating trade and forcing the Dutch into obscurity. And then utterly humiliating them at Camperdown to finish the job. Not sure my Grandad, who fought in Holland to liberate it, would appreciate a video like this? Mmmmm?
Talbot6832 1 month ago
@Talbot6832 As a Dutchman I wouldn't call it conquering either. But William III did got the crown and was the only real foreigner after William the Conquerer who got to sit on the thrown of England. He defeated the legitimate king Charles II at the Boyne and so in fact he did defeated the current government at that time. Be honoust the Dutch were stronger at that time then the British. Like you said a little bit, both our nations had their hights.
juultjuh99 1 month ago
@Talbot6832 The Dutch from 1600-1700 the British from 1700-1900. I think even an Englishman has to accept what a daring action this was. Let's just say Britain did not always ruled the waves ;p.
juultjuh99 1 month ago
@juultjuh99 are you daft or what , william of orange did not invade he was invited , there was no battle , no nothing ,england did not want a catholic monarch , so william was invited to take the crown, simple , nothing daring ,their was no conquest ,their was no resistance as they were invited , do you think we,d just allow a foreigner in unopposed haha ,the clip is a fantasy joke
TheMightOfTheEnglish 4 weeks ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish an unlegitamete king. Just because a Dutchman once sad on your thrown doesn't give you reason to act like this. A Frenchman once sad on the Dutch thrown and I have nothing against the French instead I adore French history.
juultjuh99 4 weeks ago
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@TheMightOfTheEnglish Did I said invade? No, so please get your facts straight before you shout nonsense. But the navy he brought along was three times the size of the Spanish armade. Since James was still the legitimate king it was still a war and a fight against the government. This battle was eventually fought at the Boyne. Yes, half of the country applauded the coming of William as protestant king and yes some members of parliament invited them, but still for a lot of
juultjuh99 4 weeks ago
@juultjuh99 Did I said invade? No, so please get your facts straight before you shout nonsense. But the navy he brought along was three times the size of the Spanish armade. Since James was still the legitimate king it was still a war and a fight against the government. This battle was eventually fought at the Boyne. Yes, half of the country applauded the coming of William as protestant king and yes some members of parliament invited them, but still for a lot of English he was also.
juultjuh99 4 weeks ago
yeah i think that the guy who made that vidéo were high when he did it , stop smoking weed
Frenchkisssss 1 month ago
What historical crap. For some strange reason you missed the part where William wrote a letter to English parlimentarians requesting their support before he landed. He refused to land unless the English backed him, which they did. The letter still exists.
The Dutch have had some great victories against many nations including the English and French but the glorious revolution of 1688 isn`t one of them.
You must have been to the Donald Rumsfeld school of history.
InkSmudge81 1 month ago
An Dutchman is too much smoke marijuana and after that made this video!
hill33ification 1 month ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk the dutch and the english where like a bad romance haha one time they fight each other, the other time they fought together vs france and spain etc...the 2 top country's at that time couldnt stand each other,but couldnt live without each other:P cray huh hehe
MvG040 2 months ago
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Whats the name of the song?
frisian89 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Okie doke, right I am a history major at an English university. No historian i have ever read.. And believe me I’ve read a lot on this topic... describes the events of 1688 as a Dutch conquest... That is pretty ridiculous... try reading Pincus he has an excellent book on the glorious revolution. It was a bloodless
Jonathan3089 2 months ago
@Jonathan3089 lol typical english reply...
mmtos28 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@mmtos28 as a major at an UK university I have a good understanding of this period and of the event. and while i dont think the glorious revolution had all positive outcomes, most negative... I know my historiography and i know all the professional arguements,. if you bothered to read the author i suggested u wud find he is american.. name a historian and a book that proves me wrong... i dare ya!
Jonathan3089 3 weeks ago
@Jonathan3089 Im American, with English roots (surname, bloodline, etc) and I have to say that reading through history as written by an Englishman is like watching a movie thats "based on a true story". Sure there is plenty of truth in there, and events seem to justify the story, but things dont always add up and the English never seem to be in the wrong or at all weak. If there is one thing about Anglican culture, its that we LOVE to romanticize and revise our own history.
snappy452 1 month ago
@snappy452 The difficulty with gaining an absolutley true account prior to 1900 is that individuals who chroniclised events were usually bias. + its very difficult to create a movie from the past and it be really accurate. most historians are bias in their opinions too. the glorious revolution is a very good example... thre are whigs and tories... catholic + protestants ect... what benfited 1 group damaged the other. i agre alt of films are dodgy, look at the iron lady for example.
Jonathan3089 3 weeks ago
@Jonathan3089 and when I say Anglican culture, I mean the US as well. We learned some of our best propaganda tricks from the UK, after all.
snappy452 1 month ago
@Jonathan3089 Youve just basically proven youre own wrong in youre arguement. That youre a major at an ENGLISH universaty proves that you deal with the English deniel and belive it, in many other nations, like France, Belgium, Holland and Germany. This is all called the Dutch Invasion of Britain. That something was bloodless doesnt mean that it wasnt an invasion. Many Invasions have been done in which no blood flowed.
kkkeeekkkable 1 month ago
@kkkeeekkkable So an English university is revisionist but a Dutch university isn`t, please.
Nobody lives in a social vacuum, all nations indulge in some level of revisionism. The Brits call waterloo a British rather than a allied victory. The French forget the Normans hated the Franks as much as the Anglo Saxons and that half of Nopoleons Grande armee was foreign.. Many Germans and Japanese are rewriting the causes for WW2. There is no such thing as a definative real history, it doesn`t exist.
InkSmudge81 1 month ago
@InkSmudge81 Seriously man , you have been conquered by the Dutch , what a shame for England ! :/
Frenchkisssss 1 month ago
@Frenchkisssss English is still considered to be a Germanic language with Latin and French words mixed into it. As Inksmudge said the Normans hated the Franks, infact the King of France invaded Normandy twice and failed to take it. The Norman's conquered England for themselves rather than for France
MultiAngryguy 1 month ago
@MultiAngryguy Yeah but they were French , they spoke french. France is a combination of many nation, among them , the Franks , the Norman , the Breton , the Basque . Could you understand or i have to repeat it in French ? the fact that those people are considered now as french make their history also part of France.
Frenchkisssss 1 month ago
@Frenchkisssss The Norman and Plantagenet nobility could speak English (lower ranks of nobility like Knight's and Barons would have adopted English faster due to the fact that they would have been closer to the commoner's). Once again you ignored what Inksmudge said, just because America speaks English doesnt make it and English colony, same for Scotland, England remained an independant nation after the conquest even though the nobility spoke French for a time.
MultiAngryguy 1 month ago
@MultiAngryguy You cant deny that France has played an important role in British History and its not necessarily true the other way around...
Frenchkisssss 1 month ago
@Frenchkisssss I dont deny that the French had influence in English/British history. I disagree with your second part of your argument though, England/Britain influenced the medieval world heaviliy with the story of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table. Many Knight's and kings (2 of Englands kings Edward I and Edward III) were influenced by Arthurs chivalry, Edward III made an order of Knights to mirror the KOTRT (Edwards order was known as the Garter).
MultiAngryguy 1 month ago
@Frenchkisssss the only role france has played is flying the white flag lol ,not neccessarily the other way round , didnt the english king rule half of france, he was almostking of france but died before he was crowned, crecy agincourt , we took canada off you , kicked you out of india, ,we got rid of your napoleon ,plus ww1 ,france would of been beaten, and ww2 ,without britian, you would never of been liberated
TheMightOfTheEnglish 4 weeks ago
@Frenchkisssss normans wernt french ,they were of norse stock, most normans took anglo saxon wives , and after a couple of hundred years were bred out , absorbed into the english nation ,just like irish normans were ,,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 4 weeks ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish watch?v=57J_IFzFmYk , just watch and learn english !
Frenchkisssss 4 weeks ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Face it England is beaten by the Dutch multiple times and you have beaten us multiple times.
juultjuh99 4 weeks ago
@juultjuh99 you won a couple of wars ,gained little, you cheekly sailed up to chatham ,and must admit was a daring raid , but at the end of the day we put you in your place ,took new york ,cape colonies etc ,had the largest empire the world had seen, and liberated you in ww2 lol .. william of orange was invited ,not invaded
TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 weeks ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Well I think the victories between the Dutch and English were about even. We retaked New York, but gave it to you again later, the Cape colonies were taken because the Netherlands was occupied by the French at that time and yes you had the largest empire, but like I said both our nations had their moment of glory.
juultjuh99 2 weeks ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish How did 'you' put the Netherlands in its place? it was William of Orange ruling England and the Netherlands who caused the Netherlands to fall into a bad position. Also 'you' didn't liberate anyone the victory over the Germans was a combined effort of countries not to forget the large contribution of Russia in ww2 as well as nationals(Polish) who fled from occupied countries and the resistance. It wasn't the UK vs Germany xD that is why its called WW2.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 cheek dutch twat, why ? ill tell you why ,it was british and canadian troops that mainly liberated holland, it was the british who dropped food on dutch starving people ,when the german tried to starve you out, your royal family fled here ,and free dutch radio,,and we supplied most resistance with their equipment, your resistance was minimal,and a lot of intelligence could not be trusted ,, how many dutch joined the SS ,plus you had a large pro nazi movement
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Together with the especially the Canadians but also the US, and the often forgotten Polish. Which would have never succeeded if the Russians hadn't put in the effort on the eastern front with over 10 000 000 military deaths. I always feel the English and Americans try to brag a bit to much about your victories and ignore any wrong doing you have done or mention the others contributing to the WW2.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 lets put it this way .russia alone would of been beat,, germany would of won ww2 if they had won the battle of britain, ,germany would of dominated the atlantic, german cities not bombed, possibly of developed the atomic bomb first, how could america get across the atlantic without britain being still free, , america via persia , supplied the soviets ,with over 90% of their trucks,and over 1500 train engines, and other vital supplies
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
those trucks helped transport troops and supplies and those trains transported soviet tanks from the urals to the front, would of been a lot harder without them, yes the bulk of the fighting was on the eastern front,, no one says differently, all said it was the british ,and canadians who liberated th bulk of holland, poles had some divisions,but wouldnt of made much difference to the end result, yes it mighten of succeeded without the russians, but they wouldnt of won without us either
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
wrong doing ,what wrong doing , nazi germany invaded almost every country in western europe , bombed everywhere they went , then complained when we bombed them, nearly every major british town was bombed , V1s V 2s rained on london late in the war, they were still sinking out ships almost to the end of the war , germany bombed rotterdam, ,trandported dutch jews, shot civilians in reprisals , you tell me what atrocities the british army did in ww2 if you can
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish i wasn't talking about WW2 like i said you only focus on the good you have done without considering the bad. In South Africa for example the Uk was losing badly against the immigrants from mainland Europe. That is when the English invented genocide and concentration camps to stop the freedomfighters/terrorists. The involvement in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. You can keep living in the 2ww and ignore these but the rest of the world doesn't.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 haha their you go ,we were talking about ww 2 , then you bring south africa up, youve just blown your argument right out of the water , and shown your leanings , hey the dutch tried to hold on to indonesia by force after ww2 ,getting us involved to,,, i dont see a commonwealth of holland today ,or of germany or france or spain, yet nearly all of our ex empire countries stayed in the british commonwealth , and south africa even rejoined
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 in the boer war , it was the boers who attacked first , and yes they beseiged certain towns , and took defeats , the end result was never in doubt ,, and who supplied the boers with their rifles and artillary ,germany did,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
those camps were internment camps , not extermination camps , they were called concentration camps ,because many people were concentrated in a relatively small area , the british army to defeat the boers who started to fight a guerilla war , they yes burnt boer farms, took their supplies and ,took their familes away to internment camps ,and cut the guerillas off , it worked ... but because we were soldiers and not prison keepers ,facilities and hygene was not good enough
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
you know quite well it wasnt genocide , desease broke out and because of bad hygene and the close proximity of internees , desease broke out and yes thousands died , ,it wasnt through intent ,like the nazis did , it was terrible yes ,and there was outrage in parliament,and it was a british women who exposed the bad conditions, its not written anywhere that the british intended to kill prisoners , conditions did improve but to late ,,more british died through desease also than fighting
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
so im not having this intentional genocide rubbish, it was awful and terrible , no doubt , but no different to what the americans did to japanese americans and vietnamese , it was general sherman who coined the phrase FINAL SOLUTION,in their intentional genocide of the plains indians, america had concentration camps in their war on the phillipines , and america held thousands of germans in open camps on the rhine in 1945,little food ,desease broke out and thousands of germanPOWs died
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And they were innocent people mostly females and children only to put pressure on guerrilla's unable to escape the bad conditions
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 yes the victims in south africa in the camps were mainly women and children,its terrible it happend ,but dont come here saying we intentionally murdered them,comparing them to german extermination camps of ww2 ,,some boers fought the british in ww2 ,but most joined up on the british side ,there was no act of parliament in westminster or speeches calling the boers untermenchen and no final solution speeches ,that boers should be wiped out
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You are still trying to justify everything Britain did proving me right. Thank you and have a nice day sir! xD
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 just pointing out facts ,that the british empire ,with all its faults ,was no empire of Nazis who never put anything back into those countries, india for instance we built railways,roads univercities schools,,industry,united a continent into one,with government policeforce army ,british trained,we stopped the thugees and stopped the practice of sati indians came to england to univercity,eg ghandi ,no we wernt perfect but we wernt for example like spain who wiped out whole peoples
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Great Irish Faminem, India, Malaya, Several African countries, Bombings/ gassing in Sudan, Iraq, Palestine fire bombing Japan villages i'll help you and post some quotes
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 hong kong , a bare island apart from a couple of fishing villages ,100 years later a rich modern city a centre of trade and commerce,that what the chinese got back,not a ravaged pillaged land ,same with singapore, zimbabwe was relatively rich,a food producer,and exporter ,now look a it , as i said wheres your dutch commonwealth ,they couldnt wait to get rid lol were still close to our commonwealth ,now again if we were that bad ,their wouldnt be one ,theywouldnt want to know us
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 so theres your proof , a commonwealth ,with the queen as its head ,close links ,in trade ,history and sport even, theres your proof , now if we were this evil empire they wouldnt touch us with a barge pole ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And they were innocent people mostly females and children
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 so matey im not biased look what the decendants of boers did after ww2 the mainly afrikaaner nationalist party brought in apartied in South africa they were racist to the british decendants as well as the blacks those decendents of yours in SA ,werent the nicest people on the planet the british werent perfect but compared to other empires we were ,germans with the herero people in SW afrika the belgians in the congo ,french in indochina and algeria spanish with incas and aztecs
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 as for afganistan , that was a total legal invasion, i think its wrong to try and nation build a stone age people almost but the invasion was justified , al queda trained and were armed by the taliban, and the taliban let al queda ,use afgan bases to attack the west ,, bali bombing,attack on uss cole,the american embassey in kenya, the madrid bombs ,london bombs , and 9/11 bali and 9/11 many british were killed , ,iraq wasnt right even though the worlds better without saddam
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I conclude this argument now as i am not an extreme nationalist(looking at your name and favorites) who has to argue in a who's best discussion. I have lived in England, Germany and the Netherlands and feel it would be ignorant and useless to discuss this especially with such a biased person.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1bit cheeky having a go at us should we of left iraq occupy kuwait ,torture its people or let him continue to gas the kurds,and kill thousands of shiites in the south, should of we let the serbs commit genocide on the bosnian muslims, or kosovo albanians going further should of we let napoleon conquer all europe should of we gave in to the nazis in 1940youd still be occupied by germany today,weve challenged dictators .rogue states,nazis communist worldwide weve done more good than bad
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 my name might of the english , wasnt to glorify our nation as conquerers , it was ment to get up irish republican noses ,, you know quite well through european history that we took on european powers , the spanish ,most powerful nation in their day, the armada, several invasion attempts , beat the powerful french , several times through history ,napoleon ,yes the dutch were at waterloo to, the kaiser , mussolini ,hitler , and were victorious each time, all sides had allies
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
as for my favourates ,, some are about the navy and army and air force yes , but most are music videos 60s soul , tamla motown ,british music from 60s 70s 80s , punk rock ,plus some american mainstream, nothing extreme or nationalist about my saved videos,, the background originally was out of my grandfathers role in ww1 fought in the navy and army ,, ill give it a rest now ,,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You still don't get the point i wasn't trying to discuss these incidents i only showed that the modern day English are trying to glorify England's history without acknowledging both the good and the bad your comments are the perfect example
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 you,ll find its the opposite , all these foriegn nations pointing out the bad points of the empire , you missed out the opium war with china , another shameful event,, people like yourself only look at athe bad bits and make us look like some nazi conquerers , or japanese conquerers , if we was as bad as you all say,, why did nearly all ex empire countries stay within the commonwealth ,and why did leave those countries in a far better state than we arrived
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish We the Dutch for example do recognize we were heavily involved in slave trade and bad conditions existed in the colonies. We however don't feel the need to deny this or justify the bad in anyway.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 The Dutch carriage a major part of a political Dutch tradition for example shows working slaves acknowledging this part of our history.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 we british also reconise the slave trade ,theres no more politically correct country than here,and weve enough black heritage to keep reminding us ,theres a slavery section of a museum in liverpool , but on the otherhand it was the british who outlawed slavery in 1807 ,long before other countries ,ie america,who abolished it in 1865 ,but still had an apartied until the 1960s in the south.
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And you clearly feel the need to 'remind' everyone because?
jobhopper1 1 week ago
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jobhopper1 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish I was merely stating that the English and US act as if the did everything on there own whereas others Polish, canadian and russians aren't trying to claim the victory for themselves. Your comments to fit this picture perfectly.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 your totally wrong about my views , the russians go on if they won it ,the yanks also, and if you look at documentries ,the british hardly get a mention,, we all won it together ,all the allies, a always acknowledge our canadian brothers and their role , as well as the others ,, poland suffered greatly i know , but only played a small role ,and were under the british ,they suffered terribly in the occupation, and were betrayed by the soviets in the warsaw uprising,,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
all i said was it was mainly the british who liberated holland,the canadians to under briitish command played a major role,some poles and americans to, the soviets didnt liberate holland did they, if they had you would of had another terrible occupation, the russians blow their own trumpets ,i comment on our role ,ive never said we won the war oursellves anywhere
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Saying that the Britain is hardly mentioned in documentaries? and Poland only a small role? Is this what UK history books say?
jobhopper1 1 week ago
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jobhopper1 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish And yes a few of the Dutch were pro German most were against. I don't find this odd however they had seen how Hitler had created a very powerfull economic nation from a war torn country in just a few years. And the german propaganda also applied to the Dutch as a Germanic race. and the resistance was small the amount of people helping refugees however large...
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish and intelligence not to be trusted well if you had any sense you would know that in an occupied country were torture and blackmailing is normal you can't expect the info to always be spot on. Also the equipment supplied xD don't you think it was also in your own best interest to free the netherlands as the Germans were shooting v1's and v2's. To attack britain was the only reason the Germans invaded so we could even blame you lot :P
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 did i say we won the war ww2 alone ,no i didnt ,i say we liberated you ,and thats a fact,, ,and we put you in your place when you tried your luck ,during the american war of independence ,as did the french and spanish, you were never the same and we releived you of several of your colonies,,take a look at all the red of the british empire compared to your bits,, your were trying to be the world No1 trrading power ,but in the end you failed
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
apologies for calling you a cheeky dutch twat, i quite like you lot really lol
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The UK was trying to be the no1 trading power to just like any other country and in the end you failed... And during the american war of Independence the Netherlands was trying to be Neutral not prepared for war and the Dutch still managed to deliver many weapons to the US. And all this doesn't matter anymore as we can look at the here and now... Just look at the current situation you'll see the Netherlands scores better in almost any aspect XD.
jobhopper1 1 week ago
@jobhopper1 great britain did become the worlds greatest trading power up to ww2 we had the largest military navy and the largest merchant navy, we traded all round the world , and empire ,and started the industrial revolution, no one could touch us , not bragging just fact,, who invented the steam engine trains, all manner of machinery, steam ships , bridges electric motor,lighting etc , yes rotterdam is the busiest sea port today, but that handles european trade ,as we,ll as its own
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 week ago
@Frenchkisssss Conquered? Religion was more important than nationality in that period. A Catholic King was unthinkable for the English hence ALLOWING the Orange's over. Besides, your 9th Army buckled as soon as the Germans farted on your side of the border allowing them to conquer your country and forcing the British to escape.
Talbot6832 1 month ago
@kkkeeekkkable the fact that im a major at an ENGLISH university proves that I have a good understanding of this period and of the event. and while i dont think the glorious revolution had all positive outcomes, most negative... I know my historiography and i know all the professional arguements,. if you bothered to read the author i suggested u wud find he is american.. name a historian and a book that proves your point!
Jonathan3089 3 weeks ago
revolution in England. It was a joint monarchy. With King William of Orange and Queen Mary, who was English, and daughter of the previous king James II.. The whole affair was really about a greater war against expansionist, catholic France and the religious rights of the English people.
Jonathan3089 2 months ago
And we conquered you 2 times , Loui XIV in 1672 , and Napoleon 1805 . In fact we invided you several times but i m gonna stop right now i dont want to appear arrogant ...
Frenchkisssss 2 months ago
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Frenchkisssss 2 months ago
And we conquered you aswell , its why there is a lot of french world in your language ! Hah ! :)
Frenchkisssss 2 months ago
I love the begining "according to the british , never happened " LOL We french have conquered the british ! The Norman conquest of England , its why there is more than 60 % of french word in English lqnguage , so get your fact straight dude ! Google it if you dont believe me .
Frenchkisssss 2 months ago
@Frenchkisssss What do you mean WE french. The Normans were decended from vikings and spent most of their time attacking the Franks. It was because the vikings were getting battered by the forces of Alfred the Great that they headed south.The Frank king was so scared of them he gave them a large chunk of his territory. The kingdom of the Franks was considered easy pickings for the Normans. The only time the Frank king did try to boot out the Normans in 942 by attacking Rouen they were annialated
InkSmudge81 1 month ago
@InkSmudge81 Anyway they spoke French , and now they are part of France , so they were French. They have spread up french language across England .
Frenchkisssss 1 month ago
@Frenchkisssss France didn`t exist in 1066.The tiny kingdom of the Franks did. The rest were autonomous fiefdoms who spoke different languages. You should know that. And the Americans speak English that doesn`t make them English does it. How about the Scots they speak English, my grandads a scot, you call him English and he would chin you.
To conquer someone you need to invade a country and take it by force of arms against an army of its inhabitants. Not be invited and supported by the people
InkSmudge81 1 month ago
Never knew about that conquest. And can't say that I am not educated.
Nevertheless, always thought that Netherlands is the most progressive country in the World :)
naduril 4 months ago
Interesting. But orange text very hard to read. All the letters are faded with background.
naduril 4 months ago
uk lucky arrogant people ,,, only a storm ...for this reason dont speak spanish x D
Spain conquest holland ----holland conquest uk x D
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro Spain didn t conquer Holland, it was given to Spain by royal succesion. We were not conquered by you tapas eating little shits.
The Dutch just killed you asses while you couldn t hold on to it.
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 jajaja little tapas ?? remember DUKE OF ALBA ; )
The Dutches tell this history to the children who behave themselves badly....Spanish empire was 10000 times biguer than dutch ,,,,dutch need the help of uk,france ....
SPANISH are legend : p
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro We were not conquered, we defeated you, hands down.
After that defeat your empire went down the drain......because of us Dutch and the Brits.
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 hahahahahahah x D how many people speak dutch ? x D
SPANISH RULES THE WORLD 300 YEARS ...middle of france,belgium,luxemburgo,dutch,middle of italy was SPANISH ^^ yes the little tapas boys !!
greetings from Madrid
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 we live in holland a lot of years DUTCH need uk,france etc etc WE FOUGHT ALONE
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 remember DUKE OF ALBA ?? FLANDES ?? dutch empire was nothing spanish rules
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 FLANDES was Spanish ,,, : D !!!!
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro Beaten by a small country, losing an empire and being bitchslapped on a global scale by your former territories.....If we Dutch would only have half of the territory you had, we would be the supreme rulers......
Look at Spain now, sorry ass beggers
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 look dutch now x D remember my question how many people speak dutch ?? SPANISH 400 MILLION !!
OH YES DUTCH DISCOVERED AND CONQUEST AMERICA TOO MMMM SPANISH HISTORY IS GREAT ....only a fucking storm for this reason brits dont speak spanish ...we have nelson arm in tenerife ( spain ) ,,,xD ....
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro You were lost an empire, you lost the wars. The spanish Empire desolved after the Dutch Anglo pact, making the Dutch and latter the Brits rulers of the world.
You lost empires, you lost your own territory and you are losing your economy right now.
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 we have had lights and shades but it does not remove the merit of anything ...many europe and america nations was spanish ...spanish "tercios"rules the world for 150 years spain was a powerful and been afraid country and often only the bad luck ( armada invencibili) to rules the world more time . we are good people but suffering from many males and historical faults : / the crisis is global not alone Spanish , SPAIN was in the ranking 8 world before crisis sorry my english
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro I dont contest it......
You Spaniards just got served by a small and brave country......We served the English, Spaniards and the French.......Not just the Spaniards.
Right now, you are begging Germany, GB and Holland for money....again.
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 This money is not free generates a debt that to you does them more richer and to us more poor, if the Spanish we do not have money to buy your cars or any thing from UE ..since your countries are going to progress?? It is a simple market economy to be able to fight with USA, CHINA ,INDIA, if we retire the help for example to greekk we lose ALL!!,
SPAIN STILL HAS NOT BEEN RESCUED and probably dont need it (?).SPAIN cant down look italy too..if any of this countries down ALL down!
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro I don t care about it, I just don t want to pay for your misery.....
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro Your Armada got beaten...remember?
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 YEAH And britsh contraarmada (1589) too ; ) was beaten by spanish ....a lot of times really
but this episode you never read in your protestant History book really ?? or your books only tells victories ^^
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
do you know the best of spain dead in trafalgar ?? almiran CHURRUCA and biguest ship ever built his name SANTISIMA TRINIDAD ...the final of spain was really with the french invasion(1808) ( napoleon ) we won and but my country was destroyed ...brits help ours in this time : D
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 dutch lost his empire too ,brits too...portuguese and french too... : /
we all have a GREAT HISTORY .... : D we now are friends ,ue members,otan members ....if spain down UE down : / spain is the economy of greek+portugal+ireland toguether !! ue dont have money for save spain ,,,,,,,,,,,but remember my words i know the spaniars ...spain never FAIL we are working very hard for save our country .....SPAIN SAVED EUROPE FROM TURKEY IN THE BATTLE OF LEPANTO DONT FORGUET
Greetings
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro Spain saved Europe???? That were the French too (actually the Frankish GERMANIC tribes which have nothing in common with France).....Defeating the Moors. I am not impressed by your Spanish history, sorry....
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 HAHA ok but if you like History study the battle of LEPANTO or CARTAGENA DE INDIAS (BLAS DE LEZO vs 186 brits ship the biguest armada before Normandia ...the spanish won ) ...you have many examples in spanish History ...we fought and dead with honour for example in TRAFALGAR only for the stupid french commander Villenueve ( suicide ) we lost ...
TENERIFE ( Nelson ) ....etc etc etc etc i dont need impressed you only READ a History book and never can say the spanish are cowards
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro I don t think you are cowards..........
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 beaten ?? spanish fought alone dutch needed uk,france etc etc ....the middle of europe was spanish ,3/4 of america !! spanish live in holland fought in holland not holland live and fought in spain ,,,,FLANDES WAS SPANISH ,,,,spain never was dutch !! x D hahahahhahahahah
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro You little spanish fucks don t impress anyone.
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro Don t call the Enlgish arrogant, don t use the Dutch to claim a Spanish victory that NEVER happened..
Zonnewende88 4 months ago
@Zonnewende88 you have a lot of videos of spanish victories on youtube but you are a dutch fan : D
the last victorie in the world socer x D ; ) HIS NAME ANDRES INIESTA
greetings !!
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
@CapitanFiro No I havent got any Spanish victories actually....
Soccer, ok you Spanish beat us hands down, unfortunately.
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