Jaedong vs Flash 3set Pt2 @ Bacchus OSL Ro8 (English)

[marcelnechita]

After part 1, I thought that Flash has absolutly no chance! :)

[martinkline]

THAT GAME WAS AWESOME!

[cownerd1]

it easy to say beside jaedong is the best zerg player in the world i think he know wut he doing better than u

but tbh the terran mech army fully upgraded are the strongest army in sc

[Deppherillion]

i'm wondering what could beat those tanks + goliaths... and i think if zerglings were used instead of hydras during that big battle it could have led to a different outcome.

gg for both players anyway

[FrigoCoder]

cracklings + dark swarm + sieged tanks + crappy goliath pathfinding = instawin

[fk4n]

snick up a Defiler and send few plague before send up the multalicks.

[clvinning]

@FrigoCoder

i'd really like to see you counter with hive tech at the 6 minute mark.

in standard zerg vs. terran, defilers usually aren't present until about 7-8 minutes in.

but, you're probably one of those kids who thinks he's good because you use oblivion multi-hack

[FrigoCoder]

@clvinning i'd really like to see you counter with hive tech at the 6 minute mark.

How is this push in the 6th minute? It's more like ~15 minute. Even I can get defilers out in the 10th minute or max out with lings and hydras by the 15th minute, without sacrificing any economy.

When playing zerg vs mech, patience is of utmost importance. You just can't attack that terran push and get killed, you need to wait for the perfect opportunity.

And no I ain't cheatin'.

[ameryllw]

*SPOILER*

I was amazed by how effective the mech build was. Jaedong owned 3/4 of the map, and then the mecha ball moved out and it didn't seem to matter in the slightest.

There has to be a good counter to this, right? Why hasn't Jaedong moved to it?

[brochan1234]

stop leaving comments that give away who wins ffs

[Mywhiteslave]

It's always a surprise when Jaedong loses lmao

[Krazywoot]

great commentary, I thought it was GG for flash as soon as I saw those 5 bases up for jaedong

[daltondoyou4]

ive never seen guards work in a pro game idk y they do it

[wilwn]

bravo!

[DaBiff1991]

Yay u like Flash alot ^^

he's my fav player

He has the biggest balls in the world!

I was amazed how quickly the gaurdians/mutas and hydras got slain by the mech build

[marvelvsanime]

mech build! REvenge! "^_^"

[aerokpc]

u can't take out that many upgraded gols with mutas... lol

its cause gols have really far range, 12 i think

and so the gols at the back give dmg without being hit themselves

[timothylhm]

nah

it works in the way that if they have higher range

more of the gollies can attack at any point in time, hence resulting in a higher rate of attack

anyway the golly range is 8

[yildirimokur]

only need PLAGUE

[mebe]

y didnt he go ling muta?

[koreankid1337]

-_- jaedong was a bit cocky trying to win with majority if his force as zerg air. heck, with 4 gas that he had he cud've pumped out not even 10 ultras and good amount of ligns and use dark swarm to force flash back and while he's moving out he can send those mutas to do massive dmg but. o wellz

[jojomcbean]

ya, and he should have made a queen, and some defilers... wtf you can't make everything dude

[springyspandex]

Wow that was incredibly stupid,

massing ONLY mutas against mass tanks/gols??

seriously I agree with IronDynamite, dark swarm+lings easily would have won. But then again the only reason why terran went mass tank/gol was because he was only using hydras and mutas the perfect counter. Not enough unit variety from zerg. He probably had more resources than terran too just made the wrong units.

[cdrrules]

Did you somehow miss the guardians and the hydralisks? Maybe dark swarm + lings would have tore them apart, but tank's splash can still kill a lot of lings. We'll probably see the next time they face off on Katrina. Personally, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a lot of plagues against all that terran metal.

[dragoon414]

Yep, and the money he spent on guardians could have been defiliers with consume and plauge.

[mafiasoulja]

the only game that was this interesting of a zvt wit mech was savior vs boxer (boxer wins)

i think that if jaedong would have gone mass ling and muta like savior did vs boxer but with all those bases gg for jaedong he wins but no he went hydra and flash played perfectly :D

[zlac]

5 bases vs 2 bases... that was imba, jesus...:D

[GKFC]

Yeah, like it really mattered though... ;-)

[IronDynamite]

Dark Swarm and mass zerglings and Jaedong could have easily won.

[IronDynamite]

Dark Swarm and mass zerglings and Jaedong could have easily won.

[ganggang3]

"Flash takes the OSL" Lol, not quite yet. Though his win against Bisu definitely favors him. Luxury and Stork are not push-overs though.

[uzernam302]

heh, i guess jaedong saw his strategy didnt work last time, so he decided to try the same thing again! although i guess this time he did focus much more on air than before (and yeah that grouping of mutalisks looked scary =p)

[koreankid1337]

yeah man too bad gols EAT air units for breakfast when they're on the offense.

[kirbyman1kanden7pf]

actually its not a new strat but its rarely used.

[kirbyman1kanden7pf]

actually its not a new strat but its rarely used.

[kirbyman1kanden7pf]

gg nice new strat flasho, jaedong's tech got put back to stone age at end of game.

[LongoMania]

Now that's how Terrans deal with The Zerg! Epic battle! great commentary

[vokuheila]

wow mass mutas/hydras vs. mass tanks/gols. Pretty obvious whos gonna win that one.

[liandzbergis]

ok so now Jaedong knows that mass air is bad against goliaths =] I hope he sticks to defilers in teh future.

[dorbie]

Zero micro mass zerg air suicide. Going for the base race/trade might have been better but he could easily have used his units better. He parked his air over mass gols, WTF?!

[ogrec]

same thing went trough my mind, as insane as running trough mine field...

[RaiKageRyu]

Flash VS Jaedong

A heated new rivalry is born!

[DaOneofWorlds]

Mech vs zerg is nice, but a swarm and a plague owns it.

[IronDynamite]

wow an epic battle. That was really really good game.

[7r1663rh4ppy]

wow...

[IIrond]

i like mech build vs zerg!!

[exhale85]

No Plague? He could have easily invested in some plague to soften up the army

[DeliriumSC]

Try getting a plague off with 40 tanks staring at your defiler

[cagatenen]

It shouldnt be that hard for these pros, and the tanks should be hitting the hydras...

Actually i think swarm with more upgraded hydras instead of so many mutas would have been much much better. Also the gols are hard to maneuver so it would not be too easy to run away from the swarm.

[HREParabola]

I also agree that plague probably would have swung the tide of the battle, i'm just not so sure he had the resources to invest into plague.

[jhvalley]

jaedongs whole game was macro, with little harass from flash. he had plenty of resources.

[ftts84]

honestly this comment sucks

not enough respect/annoying out-of-place emotions

makes hard to read so i had to vote this guy down

[ftts84]

mistake: this goes to omfg83, not moletrap

moletrap's great

[EPIC1ENDING]

jees, next we will be seeing a bio build beat protoss, good strat and some nice play from flash.

great commentary as always moletrap, keep em comming!

[MindpLayOnline]

that game was AWESOME~!! nice commentary moletrap

[avalancheshow]

swarm and plague would have helped jae dong,

[RoboBoo]

Biggest fight EVER

[mattiaslundmark]

Insane game. Thanks for the commentary man, great work as usual! I was stunned by the insane numbers of mutas too.

One question though if someone knows:

With Flash's mech build, where does he put all the minerals since he is not building marines/vultures and has only two gas? Turrets?

[rl0u8888]

OMG.....this game...makes the old boxer's play look bad....both players have super macro!!!!

[lasadajohnson]

he needed defilers + plague then mutas woulda raped the 1 hp force

[leonang]

talking about NOT doing anything with the early scouting information. There is a reason why Terrans usually dont go metal vs zerg. Zerglings, defilers and ultras would have done teh trick.

[kuja900]

yeah i was thinking the same i dont see the logic in oooo hes pumping gols il go big air

[wormspwn]

Mutalisks are more effective against goliaths than hydras are against tanks.

[soccerfrom1990]

I don't quite understand why Jaedong attacked Flashes army. I wish he would have harassed the main instead of directly ingaging.

[jdc4]

when flash had all his units at his 2nd expansion, jeadong should have sent his shitload of mutas at flashes 1st expansion.

his giolaths would take forever to get back there

[needsmosleep]

wow jaedong had so many expansions

[Pioware]

I'm quite suprised, I thought he is unstopable, but this time he seemed to refuse to adopt (he had many crystals - enough to build crystal-cheap units and support air with flood of them). That reminds me of old saying "there's always a bigger fish"

[BerkeleyBayArea510]

wow

[aznxboix188]

haha damn flash gave that little giggle, probably cause he saw that spawning pool going up, still trying to come back

[ganggang3]

Lol, yeah, comsat goes off and sees 2 sunks, 4 creep, something morphing :)

[SC2GGRise]

jaedong got rick rolled

[JensLyn7]

Goliath online.

[valentine452]

PAYBACK JAEDOINGG!!! ITS TIME for flash to come back :)

[exDreamDuck]

jaedong just cant win against flash when he is on 6 o'clock on katrina, especially when flash having fun with metal ^^

[cagatenen]

Awesome commentary thx.

I agree tho, Jae's build was quite a mistake, with that huge econ he could have gone mass hydra + swarm or just plague the crap out of those gols...

Also, the head to head attack was suicide, he might have won if he went for the counter and attacked the terran undefended main, imo.

[TakeFiv3]

WTB PLAGUE

[YTsr]

What a game?!!! Awsome!

Thanks for commentary. Very impressive game!

*****

[Ongakka]

flash is my main man

[SebTijanAs]

omg,when will zerg learn to go ultra/ling + swarm against emch terran?when did this strategy ever work?like 1 in 10 times perhaps,if he had gotten ultralisks instead those guardians + swarm...........

[dk9999]

Quite high tech though those units are..

[Etabeeta]

As high tech as Guardians.

[tejntanga]

The power of the terran mech push is a serious force to be reckoned with. As zerg, I have to say it is extremely hard to stop. Valiant effort at it by jaedong, but his micro seemed to let him down in the One Big Encounter. After that, Flash just rolled him.

[Finlandzki]

Thanks for the commentary, Moletrap! :)

You're doing some great work for the SC community!

Awesome game, and the result was quite unexpected after seeing those masses of units the loser had just before the winner switched the game into his favor.

[fieryspirit]

I really didn`t think Flash was going to win. Good match.

[experimentjon]

And that, my friends, is the importance of upgrades. Absolutely insane first major battle.

[darthprinny]

One queen with ensnare would've done so much

[PapaPondy]

wrong

[2dippadee]

queen? why?

[naturalkinds]

I both hate and love the winner.

[PSdualwielder]

wow so flash knocked jaedong out of the osl. And while I was watching this right till before the first battle I was still wondering how a mech build was supposed to replace M+Ms. lol.

[Spaceball2000]

Great commentary as always Moletrap, thanks!

I thought Jaedong played very well and his build could of worked if he engaged Flash in a manner that protected his guardians a bit more. His macro was great, but his battle micro was poor imo. And as for Flash, well what can you say other than he has played excellent starcraft lately. Both of these sets were a ton of fun to watch, and we get to see it all again in the GSI tomorrow night!

[tonpole]

I really thought that game was going to go the other way until everything died in the first huge battle.

[chibixleon]

Mole trap, thank you thank you tahnk you for doing this commentary. English commentary is being sorely missed in teh starleagues! hope things are going well, awesome commentary as lways!

[bricefabber]

I am happy for the winner. What a great rivalry between those two. What will happen at the GomTV invitational when these two face off one more time???

[elvenchamp]

we can still hear the korean commentary.

[TacoMaster07]

What a game!

[midgetwitafidget]

Somewhat retarded build by Jaedong. Double spire against gols?

[pandemik1755]

Goliaths only do 50% damage against mutas. In my opinion, the build wasn't the problem, it was his severe lapse in micro.

[nerfherders123]

oh my god... thats a ton of mutas...its scary oh my god.....

lol

[akyo777]

heartbreaking game :o i wish jaedong tryed to counter flash's push by going from 12:00