The sad this about this is, it is like some thing that we have all heard during the vietnam war. Its like something like this will eventually happen again in another war.
Americans are asleep and don't give a damn about the veterans and certainly don't want to hear the truth about the American "wars". I talk to people until I'm blue in the face about this corrupt government and all I get are blank stares. WTF is wrong with people. My dad was at Pearl Harbor on December 7 and the war did not end for him until he died at the age of 79. No one knows what these vets have to endure to secure them gasoline for their fuckin' Escalades and Ford F250s!
You Americans think that by making these groups, you think will make the iraqi people forgive USA, your wrong we will invade Usa and fuck yous up, and then we will be even
As an original gulf war vet I have all the respect in the world for any branch of the service, especially the Marines. However, there were no WMD's in Iraq. Making Iraq the largest crime scene in our military history. We attacked another country without just cause sacrificing young men and women. Now Afghanistan is the longest declared military conflict in the 235 year history of America. So I respectfully ask....what in the name of God are we really doing and is it honorable anymore?
Knocking off that fuckwit Saddam WAS a good thing. The rest you leave to the Iraqi's. Ditto Afghanistan. Compared to WW2 these are 'soft' wars and you each know full well America, and the west, are capable of a much more if that need ever arise. I respect all serving troops, and those here that highlight serious US societal issues.
America has already signed a secret treaty, called The Trilateral Alliance Treaty, with both Russia and China, will send in their troops to assist in weapons seizures and arrests. According to Patriot officer "George," formerly of the California LAPD, America has brought in many Russian Police officers and placed them in American police departments nationwide. Operating under the name of "Project Harmony," they are being trained to work side by side with American police officers.
Operating under the name of "Project Harmony," they are being trained to work side by side with American police officers. (Since when do American police departments need Russians to supplement their police stations?)During a previous Patriot radio interview, Officer George admitted that Russian police officers are now boasting to Americans in obvious reference to the role Russians will play in helping seize America under martial law for the New World Order.
Officer George shares, "A friend of mine was pulled over in California on a routine traffic violation. He wondered in fact why he was handled so roughly by this officer. It turned out that this officer was Russian! He then started to boast to the bewildered American, 'You better get used to it, because we Russians are here to take over, you stupid American, and you don’t even know it!'
Tin foil hat story? Mebbe. Police around the world have always had interchanges in regards training. I expect Russia is a little more 'free' these days than the US - where visitors and US citizens are fondled by TSA by pumped-up 'dumb' types. (With employed exceptions). America you are under attack, from well within, its been going on for decades.
As predicted in this book published four years ago, the U.S.A. "appears" to have begun its surrender to the USSR effective December 1987. Of course it is being accomplished under a guise of a "disarmament agreement", as the authors predicted.
For, in fact, Secretary of State George Schultz clearly indicated that the Soviets will be given a military base in Denver, Colorado, near the U.S. Military Air Defense headquarters.
Again, as the authors predicted, it's being called a base for their "inspection team". Yes, a USSR military base in middle America! Apparently, Soviet military strength has become so intimidating, American resolution so dissipated that U.S. leaders are beginning to bend before Soviet military might.
A number of intelligence and military experts have published reviews and forecasts of the extreme threat to the United States which the Soviet military represents. In these book reviews we quote directly from a number of qualified sources. In the excerpt below, from the 1984 book entitled What to do When the Russians Come, note that the authors predicted four years ago what seems to be taking place today.
STAND UP AND UNITE. Our Muslims Sisters, our Christian Sisters. Save be the Jewish Sisters, the Buddist Sisters, and all. I say even our Wiccan Sisters. We are Sisters, without us there is no more.
PLEASE, there is a reason and purpose for each of us. It is not want we are seeing.
Blessed be the names of our Father, our Lord, and The Holy Spirit.
soldier shoud be here protecting they're own families from our own goverment not be at war out of the country and leave they're families at our goverments MERCY
Iraq Veterans Against the War is a nonprofit organization calling for the Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq; reparations for the human and structural damages Iraq has suffered, and stopping the corporate pillaging of Iraq so that their people can control their own lives and future; and full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and other supports for returning servicemen and women. Learn more at IVAW.org
this man isn't against america, nor the military, he is against a war that need not be fought. he is against fighting for big business. god bless that man.
Most of the people in the IVAW are phonies and frauds who have never served in Iraq and/or the military. I am a proud recent OIF Veteran at age 20! And I'm still proud to serve my country too.
@Ron11B10 yes im glad ur proud to serve ur country. but are u proud that our country is being infiltrated by internationalists. I understand since u are a soldier you have no place in politics; but will you fight for your country when it comes time to defend your constitution at home and not just abroad?
@deceiver123m Of course I will greatly defend the Consitution of the United States of America. Even if it calls upon me to psychically and personelly defend what some people might call "just a piece of paper" down in D.C. to my death if need be! Hell I was at Fort Dix, NJ when those terrorist tried to gain access to the base by posing as pizza delievery personel.
@deceiver123m well thank you very much! When I took the oath of enlistment, I swore to upon the Consitution and protect it from enemies both foregin and domestic too. And yes I do agree with you, that we need many more people in the U.S. Military with my mind-set. Hopefully I can aspire to be an officer and lead men into combat, and hopefully join the Special Forces Green Berets and actually fight the Jihadist that threat us. It is an honor and privilege to serve this great country. HURRAH!!!
@deceiver123m Even then I would've gotten my weapon and lay waste to those enemy combatants. And yes, I am well aware that this beautiful country of ours is being infiltrated persons that wish us harm. And it is a shame that most Americans are blinded by said threat too.
@dguerrero1360 I think your trying to avoid the fact that you signed up for a war against a dictator that had weapons of mass destruction. Then a few years later your commander, Mr. Bush decided to start clowning and openly joked around about the fact that he knew there were no wmd's there. If in your mind that is something people should not be concerned with; then i hope u die in these modern trade wars.
individuals like this disapoint me and alot of others, These so called service members bring disgrace to the American flag and even more the U.S.A. . It is 1 thing to fight in WAR & FIGHT Individual rights , But to put your own selfish pride and self centerness out to bring down the safety of people around you and abroadis down right wrong.this type of aditude will bring a civil war up here at home & bring ww3 to the U.S.A. in a show of weakness in the people here.
(sight) look at these guys. just be quiet and move out, geez. when i go to my fav. burger joint i order a big fat juicy burger and enjoy the shit out of it, i NEVER ask the butcher how he slaughtered the cow! just like they should be quiet. i am in iraq right now and i am stop lossed but i will never speak out againts the military, government, or my country. i understand that these fellow troops more than anyone earned their right to say whatever they want but come on. just get over it!
I respect your service as a fellow soldier. But I would point out that sometimes speaking out against current events is not speaking out against the country, but speaking FOR the country.
no they are not they served. They have human rights the military should not tell you what you have to believe in and what to be. I a human first and a soldier second to none
The only guy I know personally who is involved with IVAW talked in front of congress. He was chaptered out of the Army. It's possible that a lot of these guys are also ones who got thrown out.Not to say they are totally wrong, just that their motivations might be revenge rather than a real concern.
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Wow a bunch of junior enlisted soldiers who are wearing there uniforms like shit and not shaving. We call that in the ARMY little bitches who are to afraid to go back, but hey thats their right, we just wish they never enlisted, POG's.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
Major General Smedley Butler MEDAL of honor winner USMC
Iraq's a shithole country. You can't trust ANYONE there, and horrible things have happened over there. I have lost some of my best friends in Iraq. We're doing the right thing by being there, we need looser ROE's and more soldiers over there. Thank you, all who have served and suffered in defense of our great country. War sucks but is necessary. pray for us all D.J. Barber U.S. Army, MP
if they were fuck ups i guess that means that guys like you are nt very good at doing your jobs properly, so following that line that makes you a fuck up, instead of whineing about this or that soldier being a fuckup ever thought of actually helping them out to become better soldiers, or is that past you 25cent educational level, funny thing about lifers is when they get out they cant do anything but become a cop that means they oppress civilians insead of privates and iraqis, go fuck yr self.
I just have a feeling that the average person in this video are angry at the fact that they were most likely F*ck ups in the military. As a Sgt, I developed a knack for spotting screw ups. Most of these guys sure look the part. And its funny how most of the rank I see is below Sgt, meaning they did not amount to much during their time. Hmmmmmm...
Their experience was not my experience and they give a bad name to all those in the armed services. THEY were duped. I was not. I knew damn well what i was getting into. I have no problem with these people as long as they make it more clear that THEIR experience was THEIRS alone. They do not speak for me.
I am always amazed at how you soldiers always resort to violence. Every time a soldier disagrees with someone else's opinion they always resort to threats. And you say you defend our freedom; however that it totally false. How can someone who has no freedom be depended on to defend it. You are not even free to quit your job; they tell you how to dress; and even how to style your hair. You live in communism; and the gov't uses you to take freedom from the good citizens of this country.
Dude, its the MILITARY! Not a job at Wal Mart. Soldiers are the sacrifice needed to preserve the nation. This sacrifice entails many things. Devotion to your occupation. Loss of certain civilian rights. Possibly your well being or life. Besides, the military would not be able to function if the individual soldier had the same exact rights as a civilian. Is that too hard to understand, BeeBee159? Or are you just trying to be an ass? As far as taking freedom from the citizen: Its the opposite.
Reenlist? I got 4 more months. I am done for sure. BUT..... I honestly can say that if some dire situation arose where I was needed sometime in the future, I dont care what am doing, how successful I am, I WILL GET BACK IN CAMO. But for now, I am good. I spent most of my early twenties in Iraq so its time for a break.
Tell that to the millions of douchbags who have never done a thing for this country except receive the benefits that she so generously blesses us with
The military wore me out. Its time for a break. The future as a civilian is looking bright. But like I said, if the situation called for it, 5, 10, 15 years down the road, I would come back for a short stint and do my part. But as of the moment I did more then enough. By the way, are you a recruiter? hahaha. Later.
They are not spreading any truth. They need to stop generalizing the war. Everyones experience over there is different. They should have been smart enough to question the war before they got sent to it. What they are doing helps no one. Kind of reminds me of little kids desperate for attention.
'Desperate for attention'? More like being pissed off by lies, and refusing to be further brainwashed sheeple like yourself. They want to defend their country, not blow the shit out another one. You are generalizing, and more than that, you are forgetting history-but for most Americans like you, that's par for the course of living in the U.S.A.-United States of Amnesia.
I sure will, they do demonize us for not supporting the war and equate those against it as being against you guys, you all know thats not the case. Anyone who uses their flourinated (lol) brain to question anything are spewed upon, which is fine I'll chuck it up to ignorance. But I just saw a video where they singled out muslims as those (who alone) believe our government had advanced knowledge of the attack, they used those percieved as the enemy (and minority) and that (to me) is deliberate
Our boys KNOW IT!! We dont blame you guys, no ones listening to no one over here, our congress isnt listening to us, or our president to congress. We want you home! Crap we got blackwater building up here when we rather have YOU who defend the consitution.
PLEASE guys, PLEASE Watch this video "Syndrome of control" by Lindsey Williams
This video is VITALLY important and VERY IMPORTANT for us to hear.
PLEASE INFORM OTHERS AFTER WATCHING IT SO HEY KNOW
It will take SOLDIERS against the war to end it and restore the constitution, so you guys need to teach us how to be soldiers. We cannot be mere protesting hippies and we also cannot tune in and drop out of this nightmare as do all the delusional MSM junkies. So please, dear patriots teach us the real lesson of Valley Forge!
We finealy have the means and ways Medic, The movement for truth begins with frustrating those who are fed doeses of ignorance from the slop trough of Mediaconizm, Im doing it by makeing bets, Like when you hear they are still looking for Binladin, I make the bet then show them the tape with Sr. David Frost of the BBC internview with now DEAD?> Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, Every Country on earth with japan leeding the inside 911 story knows the truth, Time we brought Medicons down .
I never thought I'd see the day when I would be forced to tune in to the BBC in order to find out what's going on in my own damn country and the world.
EVERY media outlet in America is dominated and controlled by the right wing whackadoos. Turn on FAUX cable news (aka GOP TV)...what do you see? Brittney Spears and tabloid journalism....and Americans eat that crap up and want more.
It's no surprise that we Americans are THE MOST un-informed people on the planet.
Hi Medic, Long time. For me it has only been 3 years since i woke up, The CBC is under attack by neo extentions of the american CFR in private news companys in Canada. Mostly in radio Like CFRB 1010 Toronto as the classic example. Its pro Tori/ReblaDems agenda is for now acting as a public feeler when perposeing DNA testing for Paternity should be Manditory. And the Right to use Military Aggression anywhere on Earth by Proxy conviction by private corperations.
It took me many years of reading and educating myself to realize that the GOP doesn't represent ME...the typical working class American.
The military industrial complex has completely taken over my country. Americans no longer question the TRILLIONS of dollars in debt that are being wracked up in their name in order to pay defense contractors for a war that never should have been.
Our defense budget went from $290 BILLION to over $600 BILLION in 7 years. Where's the outrage?
I'm a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and it took me 3 tours to figure out we never should have invaded and it's a clusterfuck. IVAW is simply trying to save American soldiers lives by ending this insanity.
medic19800, bravo well said, this video is only availalbe off the internet, There is no free press in america outside of a very few private non profit orgs, Take back America from Ziocon, the world bank, Baby its easy, We take back the country and go on a head hunt for those big bankers, Start killing them and see how fast the planet heals itself,
AGREED. Did you see the expose in the NY Times last week about retired military generals being "commentators" on news programs? Turns out EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THE DOUSCHEBAGS was a PAID LOBBYIST for defense contractors. EVERY one of them (about 12 total) went on the air waving their pom poms in favor of the war while behind the scenes they were meeting regulary with Rumsfeld who instructed them what to say and what talking points to repeat. THESE GUYS should be dragged into the streets and shot.
I'm heading off to West Point in a few months. My mom graduated from Annapolis back in '87 and is currently a disabled veteran.
My dad enlisted when he was nineteen. He served in Iraq for 15 months back in 2003, was the CSM attached to the 426th CA Bn after that. He's currently with the 7th PSYOP Group.
I was just wondering
-when you enlisted
-why you enlisted
-what you did and who you were with in Iraq
-when and what rank you were when you were discharged (or chose not to re-up).
Hey Mike..good luck to you buddy. I did 13 years time in service. 7 years army, 6 years air force. In the Army my primary MOS was 72E30, Combat telecommunications specialist. My secondary MOS was 05C30, Radio Operator. In the Air Force I was a KC10 Flying Crew Chief. My first enlistment was in 1981. I enlisted because my Dad was a disabled war Veteran who died in a Veterans Hospital. He always taught me me that everyone should do a tour because this is the greatest country in the world.
Anyway, I gotta go and will be out for most of the day. FRIDAY BABY! Enjoy yourself today. Enjoy life infact, because people like yourself and I know firsthand how precious it is. I am sure we will continue this debate at a later date. Saturday or sunday, perhaps. Later bud.
NEWSFLASH! A poll released yesterday shows that 81% of Americans feel our nation is being misled in the wrong direction. What does that tell us folks? GET OUT AND GET LOUD! SPEAK UP FOR GOD'S SAKE! How many more of our soldiers have to die for a LIE before enough of you STAND THE FUCK UP and do the right thing and IMPEACH these bastards that put us in Iraq and then bring our soldiers home! DO SOMETHING!
Dude, I left iraq after two years there about 7 months ago. I started to see the positive results of the surge first hand. WE DO have responsibility there. We obviously have diffrent opinions and nothing you say can change mine (vise versa). As for Americans opinions? Come on, dude. We both know that the average american is an ignorant douchbag. If a president only followed the wishes of the public, are country would not be as great as it is. As fu cked up as that sounds.
responsiblity for the problems we created by seeing her thru. Good things are still attainable in iraq. As hard as it is to see this. When you think of the long term potential of this country, it is possible. Worth it? F UCK NO! But responsiblity can be a bit ch, my friend.
"Responsibility is a bitch"....35 years too late with that one doodoo! Ole "5 deferrment" Dick Cheney and the drunkard draft dodger dumbya wanted no part of that "responsibility" when their country came knocking on THEIR door 35 years ago. ANYWAY. The ONLY Americans who bear ANY responsibility for dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq and the Iraqi people are the bastards that put us in Iraq. Dumbya, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld....let THEM send THEIR sons to straighten out THEIR mess.
What a horrible lesson we learned in Vietnam...or did we? When we make a mistake, we correct ourselves. We do NOT "stay the course" while American soldier's lives are being needlessly thrown away. We must take quick and decisive action (aka withdrawl) immediately. What family wants to be the one to admit that their son was the last to die for Washington's LIES, GREED and POWER in Iraq? Iraq will survive, makes no difference if we pull out today or 5 years from today. How many soldiers will die?
God knows iraq will still have its problems but our (soldiers) precious blood will no longer (in my view) be an acceptable sacrifice to solve those problems. But al qaeda has to be eliminated. Finally, the light is at the end of the tunnel. Also, i got an anology of my own. The U.S is like an irresponsible teenager who got a girl pregnent(getting into iraq) Now, we can take the easy way out and ditch the broad (prematurly pulling out), or as much as it sucks do the right thing and take (cont)
Man you just don't get it. Al Queada will NEVER be wiped out. For every "terrorist" we kill we are creating 1000 more for generations to come. We must address the root problem....our support of Israel...or the military industrial complex's perfect never ending war will grind on and on and on.........
God Bless the United States of America. I'm just disappointed that a fellow combat Vet would agree with me that the war is WRONG and we should pull out immediately, then refuse to do anything about it while his fellow troops continue dying FOR NO REASON because he bought into that draft dodging neocon bullshit about "right or wrong my country". Dude, we're being needlessly killed in Iraq. DO SOMETHING about it. Speak out. Contact your Congressmen. Exercise your Constitutional rights to protest!
I dont think we should pull out. Yes, the war was bullshit for several reasons. I agree with this. But we created a (needlessly so) situation where we ARE needed. But not for long (in my opinion) if we keep up the recent good work we have been doing. I am refering to the surge and getting the majority of sunnis to turn on al qaeda. Once that particular threat is FULLY eliminated then I think its time to go home.
Dude...the Arabic world counts time in milleniums,not like us Americans who count it in seconds. "Surge"?? Don't make me laugh. How many bombings have there been in the so called "green zone" since it was "secured" by the "surge"?? Look at the increase in insurgents and bombings OUTSIDE the green zone. Thanks to dumbya, Al Queada has the greatest recruiting tool they could have hoped for. WE created Al Queada in Iraq...and they'll be there long after we're gone and the Iraqis will hate us for it
I completly disagree with your analogy. Despite their diffrences, the average iraqi is proud to be iraqi. It is outside forces that have exploited those diffrences in the worst possible way. There was no al qaeda there, no doubt, but ironically iraq is now the center of its operations. Take a look at the news everyday. We now have a great interest in getting that nation together. Like it or not. By the way, what do you think of the original winter soldiers who made up atrositys?
I never mentioned ANYTHING about Iraqi pride, but since you brought it up it is indeed Iraqi pride that generates a good deal of hatred towards the US. They want ALL foreigners OUT of their land and they are ashamed of the fact that western oil corporations are now taking advantage of them by stealing their oil profits. Did you know that only one third of all profits from Iraqi oil actually go to the government/people of Iraq? The rest are gobbled up by foreign (western) oil corporations.
I did some more research on the 'winter soldiers', and you know what? FU CK THESE GUYS! In my opinion they are just as bad as the f ucks at ABU GHRAIB. The actions of the winter soldiers are directly hurting the troops in the field. Because of their 'moral obligation', troops are in more danger then before. They talk about 'atrocitys' commited that was bussiness as usual in iraq, well, speak for your fu cking self you f ucking traitors.
I may not agree with you but I sure as hell would go to my grave fighting for your right to espouse your opinions. You've already admitted that dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq is a horrible mistake....so WHY make a mistake even worse? Course correction is what we desperately need. As long as US troops are in Iraq there will never be peace, plain and simple. EVERY soldier (and American citizen) has the obligation to speak out when mistakes are made, it's the only way things will be set straight.
Wow, you can't refute my argument or take my insult, so now you want to beat the shit out of me? Shows how much maturity you have-which isn't much. Also, compared to these people, you are a chickenhawk Keyboard Kommando-a PANTHER when you want to send others off to die, but a PANSY when asked why you don't, or can't, sign up.
Dude, your assuming and you know what happens when you do that. I did two tours in iraq with the first infantry, buddy. A lot of bullsh*t came with this war, no doubt. I smell the b.s, guy. BUT I am a soldier for the guy next to me. I could care less what the mission is, just that I have a mission. A REAL soldier understands this. What they are doing is not helping anyone. And i've heard some of their testimonys on the war. They do indeed generalize.
It's the perfect never ending war for defense contractors. The neocons knew this when they planned this war many years ago. None of them served so they have no respect for the military. To them, the military is just a bunch of retards who can't make it in the civilian world so their lives are worth nothing....a tool to be used to implement their warped ideology. Look at how the neocons scatter and hide like cockroaches now that their ideology has blown up in their faces.Most resigned in disgrace
I haven't done much reading about the Winter Soldiers, however, if my memory serves me correctly they were a bunch of decorated US combat Veterans from Vietnam who testified about atrocities they witnessed while in Vietnam. They did this in order to hasten the end of the war and therefore save American lives...what's wrong with that? Every atrocity they testified about was well documented (i.e. My Lai etc). I respect any soldier who tells the truth and tries to save American lives.
And I agree with the vietnam thing. Ironically, the same people who got us in this war are the same people who dodged the draft. Another point: The same kind of arogance that got us in iraq is the same kind of arogance that says now that the situation is less then ideal, let pack up and leave. We have a responsibility to get things right there. I hope iraq becomes a prosperous stable nation because i dont want my fellow soldiers deaths to be in vain.
I'm no Middle Eastern scholar but I'll tell you what an Iraqi told me 3 years ago. He said "Iraq, with it's shia/sunni/kurd diversity, was like a pot of simmering water. Hussein was the lid. The US removed the lid. Now watch the pot boil over". An EXCELLENT analogy. Iraq will NEVER be a democratic and stable nation because as bad as Hussein was, he kept the warring factions in Iraq under control. Sometimes a nation needs a brutal dictator to do this. Dumbya has created a never ending war in Iraq
First off, I left iraq this last september. The average soldier RARELY mentions politics, they just do their job. Second off, am sad to say, just like the american public, the average soldier goes along with what they here on the t.v. Another thing, am an english major. YouTube is one of the few places i can write without having to worry about proper spelling or grammer. I spit these messages out, typing close to 70 words per minute. So come on, bud. Pointing out somebodys speeling mistakes?
I too declined the offer to reenlist for several reasons. That was my form of protest. And again, i agree with most of what your saying. All am saying is that it is wrong for a soldier to shed a negative light (even if it is the truth)on a war while his(her) fellow soldiers are still out in the field. Why? Because it effects morale, public opinion has a direct effect on the soldier, e.t.c e.t.c. And i appologize for calling these guys losers, I said that out of anger.
Dude....if it weren't for public opinion we'd still be in Vietnam today. The draft dodgers that put us in Iraq shirked their duty when their country needed them the most so they have no connection, sympathy or understanding of the military whatsoever because they refused to serve. I applaud ANY soldier who served in Iraq and is now trying to expose the truth about this obscenity against humanity. Morale IS important, however, when the overwhelming majority are against it, it's time to come home.
Dude....if it weren't for public opinion we'd still be in Vietnam today. The draft dodgers that put us in Iraq shirked their duty when their country needed them the most so they have no connection, sympathy or understanding of the military whatsoever because they refused to serve. I applaud ANY soldier who served in Iraq and is now trying to expose the truth about this obscenity against humanity. Morale IS important, however, when the overwhelming majority are against it, it's time to come home.
After watching this clip again I felt the sudden urge to vomit.I am so disgusted by these soldiers. AGGGHHHHHH! The original winter soldiers made up stories of u.s atrositys, spreading these stories amongst the american public, undermining the war, but more importantly, the soldiers still in the field. These modern day 'winter soldiers' are no damn better. THIS WHOLE WAR MAY BE BULL SH IT! BUT NEVER UNDERMINE THE MISSION WHILE SOLDIERS ARE STILL IN THE FIELD! YOU FU CKING TRAITORS!
"THIS WHOLE WAR IS BULLSHIT"....holy crap. There seems to be quite a disconnect here. You're admitting the war is BULLSHIT, yet as a fellow Veteran you're chiding fellow combat Vets for trying to end it and save the lives of thousands of US soldiers. You admit the administration made a mistake in invading Iraq yet you want to "stay the course" while your fellow soldiers die for no reason? That makes no sense dude.
All of these soldiers are lower enlisted veterans who obviously couldnt amount to nothing in the military. I've seen plenty of these f u cks when i was in the army. They were disgruntled losers who couldnt amount to nothing. This is the truth.
A Zogby poll taken and printed in the Stars and Stripes in Feb 2006 showed the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of US soldiers in Iraq say the war was a mistake and we should pull out IMMEDIATELY. 75% of America and the majority of the world say the same thing. Are we ALL "disgruntled losers"? The enlisted corp. is the backbone of our military, they do all the fighting and dying for dumbya's warped ideology. I was enlisted for over 13 years, how dare you insult the enlisted men of our Armed Forces.
i was enlisted for five years and quickly moved up rank because i did my job. Were you in iraq? Because i spent two years there and that statistic you site above is false. The average soldier could care less about the legality of the mission, why?, because they are SOLDIERS. It is your job to follow orders and look out for the guy next to you. YOu should remember what we often say in the military, my medic friend, 'knowbody forced you to join,' that statement means everything.
Look it up. Do a google search "Zogby poll US soldiers in Iraq". The poll was taken in Feb 2006 and published in Stars and Stripes not long after that. The situation in Iraq has not changed much since then. 72% OF OUR OWN TROOPS in Iraq said we should pull out. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig you cannot change the FACT that we were LIED to and now we're stuck in dumbya's QUAGMIRE....just like Vietnam. "knowbody" I believe is spelled NOBODY by the way.
Combat Vet here. Served 13 years time in service including 3 tours in the middle east. I don't know about IVAW but I sure know it's s clusterfuck over there. I know that our leaders responsible for LYING us into this QUAGMIRE should be impeached, prosecuted and imprisoned for crimes against humanity, the people of the US and the world. This war has destroyed our economy and our standing in the world. Everyone hates us now. There never were any WMD's in Iraq, we were LIED to. IMPEACH. PROSECUTE.
The stories of these servicemen and women are powerful. Go to the Iraq Veterans Against the War website and watch and listen to each of them tell their stories. This needs to be on mainstream media and it is extremely telling that it is not. The corporate media is serving to silence these men and women.
so, your telling me that I and the thousands of other troops that have been or are there or are going to go again are not brave? Your a hipocrit that has no respect for a POW, Vietnam VET, or any other soldier accept for those who have ran away! War solves nothing, duh! I hate but I sure as hit aint going to be sleeping when this country gets hit again!
It's spelled "HYPOCRITE"....and it means saying one thing and doing the opposite. For example: You run for President in 2000 on a platform criticizing "nation building" and swearing you'll never do it. Then you invade Iraq based on LIES to establish the foothold of a warped ideology by PNAC and other ultra right wing whackadoo warmongering groups (no members of which ever had the guts to serve in the military) and promptly begin "nation building". Now THAT'S H Y P O C R I S Y!!!!
You talk about how this war is b.s and how we were lied to get there. I agree with most of what your saying, but as a soldier, it is not my place to question that. As an individual, if i greatly disagree with the policies of my goverment, i can leave (or never join in the first place) the military thru various means. If you care so much, become a politician, not a soldier.
My fellow Veteran....the days of "right or wrong my country" are long gone. We learned (or did we?) that lesson in Vietnam (those of us who who actually answered our country's call for help...NOT guys like ole "5 deferrment" Dick Cheney and dumbya who dodged the draft). If you don't agree with the policies of your government then what are YOU doing about it? Are you a concientious objector? I did something about it by refusing to reenlist and thousands are doing the same,it's why retention's low
ok That does not mean you have been there to see anything, have you served? You can not say anything unless you have been there! NO ONE AGREES WITH MORE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, NO ONE!fricken obvious statement! the deal is what is being said by bias,never been there to see it, people. The lies that are told are plain BS. I have NEVER, EVER BEEN OR SEEN ANY ATROCITIES THAT ARE BEING SPOKEN OF! I have spent 17 months in dirty, gritty combat against these monsters! What have you done or seen!
winter soldiers are speaking out and it will mark the truth in a point where right wing argent bitches wont have any excuse to blame insurgencies or Iraqi's for the violence anymore, i'v predicted this this would happen! because it already happened in Vietnam, in 1971 winter soldier said the same thing! Noam chomsky said it all it needed to be said about the US policy and the dirty way it acts opp on it.
No douchbag dougprice..go ur azz to Iraq (or go back) U hateful ignort thug!
We stood up against mainstream media and within 6 weeks we caused fox news aka news corp at $16 Billion loss. I always use an an alteranative news source. Mainstream medias report lies & I search out the facts.
so jump the F*** off me w/ the media crap!!
You should ur enemy I'm a friendly, then again no wonder ur lashing out like a pit bull on crack. You didnt know the enemy in Iraq either did you? Maybe your done?
ok, so I see another never been there, never seen it, hipocrit is online! I could care les for your media smashing, the media is the source of the misinformation! when you can write proper English then we can talk! By the way, I am a multi tour Iraq combat vet! I would guess the way you are writing, you might be the one smokin the pipe, better clean it better!
I would never tell another soldier to go back to Iraq.
But I'm wondering, if you're a multi tour Iraq combat vet, why are you trashing the multi tour Iraq combat vets in the video? People like Steve Mortillo and Jason Washburn, for example, just to name the front two in the march?
ok, so I see another never been there, never seen it, hipocrit is online! I could care les for your media smashing, the media is the source of the misinformation! when you can write proper English then we can talk! By the way, I am a multi tour Iraq combat vet! I would guess the way you are writing, you might be the one smokin the pipe, better clean it better!
If your one of America's finest why dont you act with respect & integrity? I dont understand why your raging at everyone & spamming this wonderful clip of TRUTH. We dont have be there to understand that its unconstitutional & an oil war. We seen the video on Halliburton & the malaira desease ridden water HALLIBURTON supplied to the Americans who unknowingly were showering & washing clothes in, then DENIED medical benefits when they came home.
Video captures the truth,we see,believe me, we see.
Winter Soldiers you are true patriots, the heros. Your bringing on the truth, where we have been Americans dumbed down by mainstream media & our current administration. ESPECIALLY NANCY PELOSI who made the most promises LIES to help stop the OIL WAR.
would you believe the sky was falling? have been to war? have you seen these things? I hate you media fed liberal commies! wake up and look closer, away from the media!
The sad this about this is, it is like some thing that we have all heard during the vietnam war. Its like something like this will eventually happen again in another war.
lucasjuanpedro 1 week ago
Americans are asleep and don't give a damn about the veterans and certainly don't want to hear the truth about the American "wars". I talk to people until I'm blue in the face about this corrupt government and all I get are blank stares. WTF is wrong with people. My dad was at Pearl Harbor on December 7 and the war did not end for him until he died at the age of 79. No one knows what these vets have to endure to secure them gasoline for their fuckin' Escalades and Ford F250s!
yogini34 2 weeks ago
You Americans think that by making these groups, you think will make the iraqi people forgive USA, your wrong we will invade Usa and fuck yous up, and then we will be even
MQMCANSUCKDICK 1 month ago
@MQMCANSUCKDICK
Troll.
MotAdvNSW 1 week ago
I support this!
CCHarmon88 3 months ago
As an original gulf war vet I have all the respect in the world for any branch of the service, especially the Marines. However, there were no WMD's in Iraq. Making Iraq the largest crime scene in our military history. We attacked another country without just cause sacrificing young men and women. Now Afghanistan is the longest declared military conflict in the 235 year history of America. So I respectfully ask....what in the name of God are we really doing and is it honorable anymore?
user6008 3 months ago
@user6008
Knocking off that fuckwit Saddam WAS a good thing. The rest you leave to the Iraqi's. Ditto Afghanistan. Compared to WW2 these are 'soft' wars and you each know full well America, and the west, are capable of a much more if that need ever arise. I respect all serving troops, and those here that highlight serious US societal issues.
MotAdvNSW 1 week ago
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jharker37 4 months ago
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE
LoveVanillaRose 8 months ago
America has already signed a secret treaty, called The Trilateral Alliance Treaty, with both Russia and China, will send in their troops to assist in weapons seizures and arrests. According to Patriot officer "George," formerly of the California LAPD, America has brought in many Russian Police officers and placed them in American police departments nationwide. Operating under the name of "Project Harmony," they are being trained to work side by side with American police officers.
dardingz 8 months ago
Operating under the name of "Project Harmony," they are being trained to work side by side with American police officers. (Since when do American police departments need Russians to supplement their police stations?)During a previous Patriot radio interview, Officer George admitted that Russian police officers are now boasting to Americans in obvious reference to the role Russians will play in helping seize America under martial law for the New World Order.
dardingz 8 months ago
Officer George shares, "A friend of mine was pulled over in California on a routine traffic violation. He wondered in fact why he was handled so roughly by this officer. It turned out that this officer was Russian! He then started to boast to the bewildered American, 'You better get used to it, because we Russians are here to take over, you stupid American, and you don’t even know it!'
dardingz 8 months ago
@dardingz
Tin foil hat story? Mebbe. Police around the world have always had interchanges in regards training. I expect Russia is a little more 'free' these days than the US - where visitors and US citizens are fondled by TSA by pumped-up 'dumb' types. (With employed exceptions). America you are under attack, from well within, its been going on for decades.
MotAdvNSW 1 week ago
As predicted in this book published four years ago, the U.S.A. "appears" to have begun its surrender to the USSR effective December 1987. Of course it is being accomplished under a guise of a "disarmament agreement", as the authors predicted.
dardingz 8 months ago
For, in fact, Secretary of State George Schultz clearly indicated that the Soviets will be given a military base in Denver, Colorado, near the U.S. Military Air Defense headquarters.
Again, as the authors predicted, it's being called a base for their "inspection team". Yes, a USSR military base in middle America! Apparently, Soviet military strength has become so intimidating, American resolution so dissipated that U.S. leaders are beginning to bend before Soviet military might.
dardingz 8 months ago
A number of intelligence and military experts have published reviews and forecasts of the extreme threat to the United States which the Soviet military represents. In these book reviews we quote directly from a number of qualified sources. In the excerpt below, from the 1984 book entitled What to do When the Russians Come, note that the authors predicted four years ago what seems to be taking place today.
dardingz 8 months ago
╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮ to anyone who votes dislikes!!
zerogascar 8 months ago
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME! PEACE BE WITH YOU ! THIS IS WHY ADVOCATE THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
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summerloveyeah 11 months ago
chicago was one its own from america when bush was in office lol
billslover90 1 year ago
Females and Pouges= IVAW
Royak 1 year ago
fucking females and puges= IVAW.
Royak 1 year ago
I supported USA in past wars.
But this wars for OIL domination are fake and are wrong.
British would have died for Falksalnd Islands war. But in this war against deffensless people of Iraq you should refuse to go.
Vietnam war was unecessary war , also.
aviomaster 1 year ago
SHIRTLESSCODER i guess you are here to see who wrote something wrong u are amazing bro BUT NAH I WONT WASTE MY TIME ON YOU IT AINT WORTH IT.
i just wish soldiers would get out of the trance they are on and see what really goes on .
dreamermex1 1 year ago
soldier shoud be here protecting they're own families from our own goverment not be at war out of the country and leave they're families at our goverments MERCY
dreamermex1 1 year ago 3
@dreamermex1
Learn to spell
ShirtlessCoder 1 year ago
I am 100% with you guys
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ivaw 1 year ago
these guys are racist.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
this man isn't against america, nor the military, he is against a war that need not be fought. he is against fighting for big business. god bless that man.
mattybock 1 year ago
Most of the people in the IVAW are phonies and frauds who have never served in Iraq and/or the military. I am a proud recent OIF Veteran at age 20! And I'm still proud to serve my country too.
Ron11B10 1 year ago
@Ron11B10 yes im glad ur proud to serve ur country. but are u proud that our country is being infiltrated by internationalists. I understand since u are a soldier you have no place in politics; but will you fight for your country when it comes time to defend your constitution at home and not just abroad?
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@deceiver123m Of course I will greatly defend the Consitution of the United States of America. Even if it calls upon me to psychically and personelly defend what some people might call "just a piece of paper" down in D.C. to my death if need be! Hell I was at Fort Dix, NJ when those terrorist tried to gain access to the base by posing as pizza delievery personel.
Ron11B10 1 year ago
@Ron11B10 Thank you for your service to this nation. We need many more like minded patriots within the ranks of the usa armed forces.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@deceiver123m well thank you very much! When I took the oath of enlistment, I swore to upon the Consitution and protect it from enemies both foregin and domestic too. And yes I do agree with you, that we need many more people in the U.S. Military with my mind-set. Hopefully I can aspire to be an officer and lead men into combat, and hopefully join the Special Forces Green Berets and actually fight the Jihadist that threat us. It is an honor and privilege to serve this great country. HURRAH!!!
Ron11B10 1 year ago
@deceiver123m Even then I would've gotten my weapon and lay waste to those enemy combatants. And yes, I am well aware that this beautiful country of ours is being infiltrated persons that wish us harm. And it is a shame that most Americans are blinded by said threat too.
Ron11B10 1 year ago
IAVAW -
morally corrupt
mentally bankrupt
amateur theater
airborne904 2 years ago
Dude who cares you joined so you new what to expect..I went to Iraq twice and i'm not bitching..You signed the contract so you Volunteered
dguerrero1360 2 years ago
@dguerrero1360 I think your trying to avoid the fact that you signed up for a war against a dictator that had weapons of mass destruction. Then a few years later your commander, Mr. Bush decided to start clowning and openly joked around about the fact that he knew there were no wmd's there. If in your mind that is something people should not be concerned with; then i hope u die in these modern trade wars.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
when was this? im from philly im suprised i never herd of this
AwokenDemon 2 years ago
Except I have to wonder how many of them where really there and from those who where not fobbits.
Sporkmater 2 years ago
More than likely they were almost all fobbits.
airborne904 2 years ago
And the rest have never been over there.
airborne904 2 years ago
....also take off that uniform if you don't want to fight pussy
diamonddawg15 2 years ago 2
soldiers entering the military take an oath to protect our country and serve wherever their country sends them. these guys are a bunch of thugs
diamonddawg15 2 years ago 2
Defend the Constitution against all enemies...foreign and DOMESTIC! Have you haters not noticed the despotism?? Wake up!
Support the troops, and bring them all home!
soupermom 2 years ago
amen brother
stantheman42069 2 years ago
individuals like this disapoint me and alot of others, These so called service members bring disgrace to the American flag and even more the U.S.A. . It is 1 thing to fight in WAR & FIGHT Individual rights , But to put your own selfish pride and self centerness out to bring down the safety of people around you and abroadis down right wrong.this type of aditude will bring a civil war up here at home & bring ww3 to the U.S.A. in a show of weakness in the people here.
watchdog3 2 years ago
go n fight u idiot then leave stupid ignorent msgs.....
djTiPS08 2 years ago
хачики
suhoi1992 2 years ago
luv the song hate thise fake ass immoral mother fukers!
habeshakings 2 years ago
In what way are they immoral?
nick1005 2 years ago
Liars. Every one of them.
thebronze 2 years ago
You are senile.
Mesina2 2 years ago
hahahahahahah
stickon2me 2 years ago
Except considering what I have seen and heard over here is totally different to the point that I wonder if they are talking about the same country.
There is a change for the better going on in Iraq and I wonder why IVAW does not talk about that when most of the veterans where around 2003-2005.
This is the same sporkmaster from TAH.
Sporkmater 2 years ago
(sight) look at these guys. just be quiet and move out, geez. when i go to my fav. burger joint i order a big fat juicy burger and enjoy the shit out of it, i NEVER ask the butcher how he slaughtered the cow! just like they should be quiet. i am in iraq right now and i am stop lossed but i will never speak out againts the military, government, or my country. i understand that these fellow troops more than anyone earned their right to say whatever they want but come on. just get over it!
logansldr 2 years ago
I respect your service as a fellow soldier. But I would point out that sometimes speaking out against current events is not speaking out against the country, but speaking FOR the country.
IVAWSergeant 2 years ago 14
we went in under a lie
we went in under the suspicions of WMDs
then a new cast went out oh lets say about 5 years ago saying there arnt any in there
so why the hell did we stay
oh well since we're here lets just conveniently kill a few people
250lespaul 3 years ago
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These fucking guys aren't fucking proving anything, fuck them disgracing our uniforms.
USMC09 3 years ago
no they are not they served. They have human rights the military should not tell you what you have to believe in and what to be. I a human first and a soldier second to none
Mexican2004 3 years ago
God bless these troops!
jimh3768 3 years ago 6
I agree
Mexican2004 3 years ago
please watch this video to see the truth.
watch?v=YaqybvymYIE
its about the freemasons...
video will open ur eyes
fuckpussyIsrael 3 years ago
The only guy I know personally who is involved with IVAW talked in front of congress. He was chaptered out of the Army. It's possible that a lot of these guys are also ones who got thrown out.Not to say they are totally wrong, just that their motivations might be revenge rather than a real concern.
immortality72 3 years ago
Immortality:
Just a note: some of us are still serving. I haven't had any chapters or Article 15s or anything like that. I just believe in the cause.
IVAWSergeant 2 years ago
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Wow a bunch of junior enlisted soldiers who are wearing there uniforms like shit and not shaving. We call that in the ARMY little bitches who are to afraid to go back, but hey thats their right, we just wish they never enlisted, POG's.
truthfromabove 3 years ago
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From on veteran to another fuck all you guys!!! Leave the talking to those of us who actually see the combat!
kylemek0 3 years ago
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
Major General Smedley Butler MEDAL of honor winner USMC
tls2156 3 years ago 16
@tls2156 truest thing I heard since I woke up to what is going on
GHSTTHERENEGADE 1 year ago
GOO IVAW WE LOVE YOU!!!
noopy4444 3 years ago 3
Iraq's a shithole country. You can't trust ANYONE there, and horrible things have happened over there. I have lost some of my best friends in Iraq. We're doing the right thing by being there, we need looser ROE's and more soldiers over there. Thank you, all who have served and suffered in defense of our great country. War sucks but is necessary. pray for us all D.J. Barber U.S. Army, MP
rabyd 3 years ago
what the hell your war of terror in Iraq has to do with the defense of your country ????
popeyesavera 3 years ago
if they were fuck ups i guess that means that guys like you are nt very good at doing your jobs properly, so following that line that makes you a fuck up, instead of whineing about this or that soldier being a fuckup ever thought of actually helping them out to become better soldiers, or is that past you 25cent educational level, funny thing about lifers is when they get out they cant do anything but become a cop that means they oppress civilians insead of privates and iraqis, go fuck yr self.
thompson1454 3 years ago
I just have a feeling that the average person in this video are angry at the fact that they were most likely F*ck ups in the military. As a Sgt, I developed a knack for spotting screw ups. Most of these guys sure look the part. And its funny how most of the rank I see is below Sgt, meaning they did not amount to much during their time. Hmmmmmm...
doodoobird 3 years ago
The comments that we are destabilizing the situation in Iraq sure seem dated, don't they?
jpb252 3 years ago
Their experience was not my experience and they give a bad name to all those in the armed services. THEY were duped. I was not. I knew damn well what i was getting into. I have no problem with these people as long as they make it more clear that THEIR experience was THEIRS alone. They do not speak for me.
doodoobird 3 years ago
I am always amazed at how you soldiers always resort to violence. Every time a soldier disagrees with someone else's opinion they always resort to threats. And you say you defend our freedom; however that it totally false. How can someone who has no freedom be depended on to defend it. You are not even free to quit your job; they tell you how to dress; and even how to style your hair. You live in communism; and the gov't uses you to take freedom from the good citizens of this country.
BEEBEE159 3 years ago
Dude, its the MILITARY! Not a job at Wal Mart. Soldiers are the sacrifice needed to preserve the nation. This sacrifice entails many things. Devotion to your occupation. Loss of certain civilian rights. Possibly your well being or life. Besides, the military would not be able to function if the individual soldier had the same exact rights as a civilian. Is that too hard to understand, BeeBee159? Or are you just trying to be an ass? As far as taking freedom from the citizen: Its the opposite.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Re-enlist. Your country needs you.
nicorelief2 3 years ago
Reenlist? I got 4 more months. I am done for sure. BUT..... I honestly can say that if some dire situation arose where I was needed sometime in the future, I dont care what am doing, how successful I am, I WILL GET BACK IN CAMO. But for now, I am good. I spent most of my early twenties in Iraq so its time for a break.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Stay in. If you rest, the terrorists get stronger.
nicorelief2 3 years ago
Tell that to the millions of douchbags who have never done a thing for this country except receive the benefits that she so generously blesses us with
doodoobird 3 years ago
Re-enlist.
nicorelief2 3 years ago
The military wore me out. Its time for a break. The future as a civilian is looking bright. But like I said, if the situation called for it, 5, 10, 15 years down the road, I would come back for a short stint and do my part. But as of the moment I did more then enough. By the way, are you a recruiter? hahaha. Later.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Keep up the good work, guys. North America needs people like you to spread the truth.
Neville6000 3 years ago
They are not spreading any truth. They need to stop generalizing the war. Everyones experience over there is different. They should have been smart enough to question the war before they got sent to it. What they are doing helps no one. Kind of reminds me of little kids desperate for attention.
doodoobird 3 years ago
'Desperate for attention'? More like being pissed off by lies, and refusing to be further brainwashed sheeple like yourself. They want to defend their country, not blow the shit out another one. You are generalizing, and more than that, you are forgetting history-but for most Americans like you, that's par for the course of living in the U.S.A.-United States of Amnesia.
Neville6000 3 years ago 2
I bet you were a shitbird who got kicked out you whiner!
rugger8541 3 years ago
Shitbirrrrrrrrrrrds.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
An NCO in IVAW? This can only get better :)
milliradian 3 years ago 2
Actually IVAW has a lot of NCOs. After all, welfare of troops is our responsbility.
IVAWSergeant 3 years ago
How can we support you guys better?
KARStarla 3 years ago 2
Spread the word! Let other servicemembers know they are not alone if they question this war!
IVAWSergeant 3 years ago 3
I sure will, they do demonize us for not supporting the war and equate those against it as being against you guys, you all know thats not the case. Anyone who uses their flourinated (lol) brain to question anything are spewed upon, which is fine I'll chuck it up to ignorance. But I just saw a video where they singled out muslims as those (who alone) believe our government had advanced knowledge of the attack, they used those percieved as the enemy (and minority) and that (to me) is deliberate
KARStarla 3 years ago
Shutup you hippy..
DaChamp1989 3 years ago
Our boys KNOW IT!! We dont blame you guys, no ones listening to no one over here, our congress isnt listening to us, or our president to congress. We want you home! Crap we got blackwater building up here when we rather have YOU who defend the consitution.
PLEASE guys, PLEASE Watch this video "Syndrome of control" by Lindsey Williams
This video is VITALLY important and VERY IMPORTANT for us to hear.
PLEASE INFORM OTHERS AFTER WATCHING IT SO HEY KNOW
KARStarla 3 years ago
It will take SOLDIERS against the war to end it and restore the constitution, so you guys need to teach us how to be soldiers. We cannot be mere protesting hippies and we also cannot tune in and drop out of this nightmare as do all the delusional MSM junkies. So please, dear patriots teach us the real lesson of Valley Forge!
queny2 3 years ago 2
We finealy have the means and ways Medic, The movement for truth begins with frustrating those who are fed doeses of ignorance from the slop trough of Mediaconizm, Im doing it by makeing bets, Like when you hear they are still looking for Binladin, I make the bet then show them the tape with Sr. David Frost of the BBC internview with now DEAD?> Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, Every Country on earth with japan leeding the inside 911 story knows the truth, Time we brought Medicons down .
cycimian 3 years ago 2
I never thought I'd see the day when I would be forced to tune in to the BBC in order to find out what's going on in my own damn country and the world.
EVERY media outlet in America is dominated and controlled by the right wing whackadoos. Turn on FAUX cable news (aka GOP TV)...what do you see? Brittney Spears and tabloid journalism....and Americans eat that crap up and want more.
It's no surprise that we Americans are THE MOST un-informed people on the planet.
medic19800 3 years ago 5
Hi Medic, Long time. For me it has only been 3 years since i woke up, The CBC is under attack by neo extentions of the american CFR in private news companys in Canada. Mostly in radio Like CFRB 1010 Toronto as the classic example. Its pro Tori/ReblaDems agenda is for now acting as a public feeler when perposeing DNA testing for Paternity should be Manditory. And the Right to use Military Aggression anywhere on Earth by Proxy conviction by private corperations.
cycimian 3 years ago 2
It took me many years of reading and educating myself to realize that the GOP doesn't represent ME...the typical working class American.
The military industrial complex has completely taken over my country. Americans no longer question the TRILLIONS of dollars in debt that are being wracked up in their name in order to pay defense contractors for a war that never should have been.
Our defense budget went from $290 BILLION to over $600 BILLION in 7 years. Where's the outrage?
Sad.
medic19800 3 years ago
STOP THE WAR!
whats the song btw?
AugustinWGWarner 3 years ago
Stop the war!
Whinestee 3 years ago 3
been to iraq, Infantry Lead the way! i just dont get the Vets agaisnt the war group, wtf. but i guess..
mngluviano 3 years ago 2
It's simple.
We never should have invaded Iraq.
I'm a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and it took me 3 tours to figure out we never should have invaded and it's a clusterfuck. IVAW is simply trying to save American soldiers lives by ending this insanity.
medic19800 3 years ago 6
medic19800, bravo well said, this video is only availalbe off the internet, There is no free press in america outside of a very few private non profit orgs, Take back America from Ziocon, the world bank, Baby its easy, We take back the country and go on a head hunt for those big bankers, Start killing them and see how fast the planet heals itself,
cycimian 3 years ago
AGREED. Did you see the expose in the NY Times last week about retired military generals being "commentators" on news programs? Turns out EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THE DOUSCHEBAGS was a PAID LOBBYIST for defense contractors. EVERY one of them (about 12 total) went on the air waving their pom poms in favor of the war while behind the scenes they were meeting regulary with Rumsfeld who instructed them what to say and what talking points to repeat. THESE GUYS should be dragged into the streets and shot.
medic19800 3 years ago 2
Hey bro.
I'm heading off to West Point in a few months. My mom graduated from Annapolis back in '87 and is currently a disabled veteran.
My dad enlisted when he was nineteen. He served in Iraq for 15 months back in 2003, was the CSM attached to the 426th CA Bn after that. He's currently with the 7th PSYOP Group.
I was just wondering
-when you enlisted
-why you enlisted
-what you did and who you were with in Iraq
-when and what rank you were when you were discharged (or chose not to re-up).
geomike99 3 years ago
Hey Mike..good luck to you buddy. I did 13 years time in service. 7 years army, 6 years air force. In the Army my primary MOS was 72E30, Combat telecommunications specialist. My secondary MOS was 05C30, Radio Operator. In the Air Force I was a KC10 Flying Crew Chief. My first enlistment was in 1981. I enlisted because my Dad was a disabled war Veteran who died in a Veterans Hospital. He always taught me me that everyone should do a tour because this is the greatest country in the world.
medic19800 3 years ago 2
Your father would be ashamed of you.
airborne904 2 years ago
Anyway, I gotta go and will be out for most of the day. FRIDAY BABY! Enjoy yourself today. Enjoy life infact, because people like yourself and I know firsthand how precious it is. I am sure we will continue this debate at a later date. Saturday or sunday, perhaps. Later bud.
doodoobird 3 years ago
NEWSFLASH! A poll released yesterday shows that 81% of Americans feel our nation is being misled in the wrong direction. What does that tell us folks? GET OUT AND GET LOUD! SPEAK UP FOR GOD'S SAKE! How many more of our soldiers have to die for a LIE before enough of you STAND THE FUCK UP and do the right thing and IMPEACH these bastards that put us in Iraq and then bring our soldiers home! DO SOMETHING!
medic19800 3 years ago 2
Dude, I left iraq after two years there about 7 months ago. I started to see the positive results of the surge first hand. WE DO have responsibility there. We obviously have diffrent opinions and nothing you say can change mine (vise versa). As for Americans opinions? Come on, dude. We both know that the average american is an ignorant douchbag. If a president only followed the wishes of the public, are country would not be as great as it is. As fu cked up as that sounds.
doodoobird 3 years ago
responsiblity for the problems we created by seeing her thru. Good things are still attainable in iraq. As hard as it is to see this. When you think of the long term potential of this country, it is possible. Worth it? F UCK NO! But responsiblity can be a bit ch, my friend.
doodoobird 3 years ago
"Responsibility is a bitch"....35 years too late with that one doodoo! Ole "5 deferrment" Dick Cheney and the drunkard draft dodger dumbya wanted no part of that "responsibility" when their country came knocking on THEIR door 35 years ago. ANYWAY. The ONLY Americans who bear ANY responsibility for dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq and the Iraqi people are the bastards that put us in Iraq. Dumbya, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld....let THEM send THEIR sons to straighten out THEIR mess.
medic19800 3 years ago
What a horrible lesson we learned in Vietnam...or did we? When we make a mistake, we correct ourselves. We do NOT "stay the course" while American soldier's lives are being needlessly thrown away. We must take quick and decisive action (aka withdrawl) immediately. What family wants to be the one to admit that their son was the last to die for Washington's LIES, GREED and POWER in Iraq? Iraq will survive, makes no difference if we pull out today or 5 years from today. How many soldiers will die?
medic19800 3 years ago
God knows iraq will still have its problems but our (soldiers) precious blood will no longer (in my view) be an acceptable sacrifice to solve those problems. But al qaeda has to be eliminated. Finally, the light is at the end of the tunnel. Also, i got an anology of my own. The U.S is like an irresponsible teenager who got a girl pregnent(getting into iraq) Now, we can take the easy way out and ditch the broad (prematurly pulling out), or as much as it sucks do the right thing and take (cont)
doodoobird 3 years ago
Man you just don't get it. Al Queada will NEVER be wiped out. For every "terrorist" we kill we are creating 1000 more for generations to come. We must address the root problem....our support of Israel...or the military industrial complex's perfect never ending war will grind on and on and on.........
medic19800 3 years ago
Listen, we could go on in this manner for god knows how long. Lets just agree to disagree. God bless America
doodoobird 3 years ago
God Bless the United States of America. I'm just disappointed that a fellow combat Vet would agree with me that the war is WRONG and we should pull out immediately, then refuse to do anything about it while his fellow troops continue dying FOR NO REASON because he bought into that draft dodging neocon bullshit about "right or wrong my country". Dude, we're being needlessly killed in Iraq. DO SOMETHING about it. Speak out. Contact your Congressmen. Exercise your Constitutional rights to protest!
medic19800 3 years ago
I dont think we should pull out. Yes, the war was bullshit for several reasons. I agree with this. But we created a (needlessly so) situation where we ARE needed. But not for long (in my opinion) if we keep up the recent good work we have been doing. I am refering to the surge and getting the majority of sunnis to turn on al qaeda. Once that particular threat is FULLY eliminated then I think its time to go home.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Dude...the Arabic world counts time in milleniums,not like us Americans who count it in seconds. "Surge"?? Don't make me laugh. How many bombings have there been in the so called "green zone" since it was "secured" by the "surge"?? Look at the increase in insurgents and bombings OUTSIDE the green zone. Thanks to dumbya, Al Queada has the greatest recruiting tool they could have hoped for. WE created Al Queada in Iraq...and they'll be there long after we're gone and the Iraqis will hate us for it
medic19800 3 years ago
I completly disagree with your analogy. Despite their diffrences, the average iraqi is proud to be iraqi. It is outside forces that have exploited those diffrences in the worst possible way. There was no al qaeda there, no doubt, but ironically iraq is now the center of its operations. Take a look at the news everyday. We now have a great interest in getting that nation together. Like it or not. By the way, what do you think of the original winter soldiers who made up atrositys?
doodoobird 3 years ago
I never mentioned ANYTHING about Iraqi pride, but since you brought it up it is indeed Iraqi pride that generates a good deal of hatred towards the US. They want ALL foreigners OUT of their land and they are ashamed of the fact that western oil corporations are now taking advantage of them by stealing their oil profits. Did you know that only one third of all profits from Iraqi oil actually go to the government/people of Iraq? The rest are gobbled up by foreign (western) oil corporations.
medic19800 3 years ago
I did some more research on the 'winter soldiers', and you know what? FU CK THESE GUYS! In my opinion they are just as bad as the f ucks at ABU GHRAIB. The actions of the winter soldiers are directly hurting the troops in the field. Because of their 'moral obligation', troops are in more danger then before. They talk about 'atrocitys' commited that was bussiness as usual in iraq, well, speak for your fu cking self you f ucking traitors.
doodoobird 3 years ago
I may not agree with you but I sure as hell would go to my grave fighting for your right to espouse your opinions. You've already admitted that dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq is a horrible mistake....so WHY make a mistake even worse? Course correction is what we desperately need. As long as US troops are in Iraq there will never be peace, plain and simple. EVERY soldier (and American citizen) has the obligation to speak out when mistakes are made, it's the only way things will be set straight.
medic19800 3 years ago
Your comments more than show why you call yourself Doo-Doo Bird-you are full of doo-doo, guy.
Neville6000 3 years ago
Perhaps. But I can still whoop your ass.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Wow, you can't refute my argument or take my insult, so now you want to beat the shit out of me? Shows how much maturity you have-which isn't much. Also, compared to these people, you are a chickenhawk Keyboard Kommando-a PANTHER when you want to send others off to die, but a PANSY when asked why you don't, or can't, sign up.
Neville6000 3 years ago
Dude, your assuming and you know what happens when you do that. I did two tours in iraq with the first infantry, buddy. A lot of bullsh*t came with this war, no doubt. I smell the b.s, guy. BUT I am a soldier for the guy next to me. I could care less what the mission is, just that I have a mission. A REAL soldier understands this. What they are doing is not helping anyone. And i've heard some of their testimonys on the war. They do indeed generalize.
doodoobird 3 years ago
It's the perfect never ending war for defense contractors. The neocons knew this when they planned this war many years ago. None of them served so they have no respect for the military. To them, the military is just a bunch of retards who can't make it in the civilian world so their lives are worth nothing....a tool to be used to implement their warped ideology. Look at how the neocons scatter and hide like cockroaches now that their ideology has blown up in their faces.Most resigned in disgrace
medic19800 3 years ago
I haven't done much reading about the Winter Soldiers, however, if my memory serves me correctly they were a bunch of decorated US combat Veterans from Vietnam who testified about atrocities they witnessed while in Vietnam. They did this in order to hasten the end of the war and therefore save American lives...what's wrong with that? Every atrocity they testified about was well documented (i.e. My Lai etc). I respect any soldier who tells the truth and tries to save American lives.
medic19800 3 years ago
And I agree with the vietnam thing. Ironically, the same people who got us in this war are the same people who dodged the draft. Another point: The same kind of arogance that got us in iraq is the same kind of arogance that says now that the situation is less then ideal, let pack up and leave. We have a responsibility to get things right there. I hope iraq becomes a prosperous stable nation because i dont want my fellow soldiers deaths to be in vain.
doodoobird 3 years ago
I'm no Middle Eastern scholar but I'll tell you what an Iraqi told me 3 years ago. He said "Iraq, with it's shia/sunni/kurd diversity, was like a pot of simmering water. Hussein was the lid. The US removed the lid. Now watch the pot boil over". An EXCELLENT analogy. Iraq will NEVER be a democratic and stable nation because as bad as Hussein was, he kept the warring factions in Iraq under control. Sometimes a nation needs a brutal dictator to do this. Dumbya has created a never ending war in Iraq
medic19800 3 years ago
First off, I left iraq this last september. The average soldier RARELY mentions politics, they just do their job. Second off, am sad to say, just like the american public, the average soldier goes along with what they here on the t.v. Another thing, am an english major. YouTube is one of the few places i can write without having to worry about proper spelling or grammer. I spit these messages out, typing close to 70 words per minute. So come on, bud. Pointing out somebodys speeling mistakes?
doodoobird 3 years ago
I too declined the offer to reenlist for several reasons. That was my form of protest. And again, i agree with most of what your saying. All am saying is that it is wrong for a soldier to shed a negative light (even if it is the truth)on a war while his(her) fellow soldiers are still out in the field. Why? Because it effects morale, public opinion has a direct effect on the soldier, e.t.c e.t.c. And i appologize for calling these guys losers, I said that out of anger.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Dude....if it weren't for public opinion we'd still be in Vietnam today. The draft dodgers that put us in Iraq shirked their duty when their country needed them the most so they have no connection, sympathy or understanding of the military whatsoever because they refused to serve. I applaud ANY soldier who served in Iraq and is now trying to expose the truth about this obscenity against humanity. Morale IS important, however, when the overwhelming majority are against it, it's time to come home.
medic19800 3 years ago
Dude....if it weren't for public opinion we'd still be in Vietnam today. The draft dodgers that put us in Iraq shirked their duty when their country needed them the most so they have no connection, sympathy or understanding of the military whatsoever because they refused to serve. I applaud ANY soldier who served in Iraq and is now trying to expose the truth about this obscenity against humanity. Morale IS important, however, when the overwhelming majority are against it, it's time to come home.
medic19800 3 years ago
After watching this clip again I felt the sudden urge to vomit.I am so disgusted by these soldiers. AGGGHHHHHH! The original winter soldiers made up stories of u.s atrositys, spreading these stories amongst the american public, undermining the war, but more importantly, the soldiers still in the field. These modern day 'winter soldiers' are no damn better. THIS WHOLE WAR MAY BE BULL SH IT! BUT NEVER UNDERMINE THE MISSION WHILE SOLDIERS ARE STILL IN THE FIELD! YOU FU CKING TRAITORS!
doodoobird 3 years ago
"THIS WHOLE WAR IS BULLSHIT"....holy crap. There seems to be quite a disconnect here. You're admitting the war is BULLSHIT, yet as a fellow Veteran you're chiding fellow combat Vets for trying to end it and save the lives of thousands of US soldiers. You admit the administration made a mistake in invading Iraq yet you want to "stay the course" while your fellow soldiers die for no reason? That makes no sense dude.
medic19800 3 years ago
All of these soldiers are lower enlisted veterans who obviously couldnt amount to nothing in the military. I've seen plenty of these f u cks when i was in the army. They were disgruntled losers who couldnt amount to nothing. This is the truth.
doodoobird 3 years ago
A Zogby poll taken and printed in the Stars and Stripes in Feb 2006 showed the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of US soldiers in Iraq say the war was a mistake and we should pull out IMMEDIATELY. 75% of America and the majority of the world say the same thing. Are we ALL "disgruntled losers"? The enlisted corp. is the backbone of our military, they do all the fighting and dying for dumbya's warped ideology. I was enlisted for over 13 years, how dare you insult the enlisted men of our Armed Forces.
medic19800 3 years ago
i was enlisted for five years and quickly moved up rank because i did my job. Were you in iraq? Because i spent two years there and that statistic you site above is false. The average soldier could care less about the legality of the mission, why?, because they are SOLDIERS. It is your job to follow orders and look out for the guy next to you. YOu should remember what we often say in the military, my medic friend, 'knowbody forced you to join,' that statement means everything.
doodoobird 3 years ago
Look it up. Do a google search "Zogby poll US soldiers in Iraq". The poll was taken in Feb 2006 and published in Stars and Stripes not long after that. The situation in Iraq has not changed much since then. 72% OF OUR OWN TROOPS in Iraq said we should pull out. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig you cannot change the FACT that we were LIED to and now we're stuck in dumbya's QUAGMIRE....just like Vietnam. "knowbody" I believe is spelled NOBODY by the way.
medic19800 3 years ago
Combat Vet here. Served 13 years time in service including 3 tours in the middle east. I don't know about IVAW but I sure know it's s clusterfuck over there. I know that our leaders responsible for LYING us into this QUAGMIRE should be impeached, prosecuted and imprisoned for crimes against humanity, the people of the US and the world. This war has destroyed our economy and our standing in the world. Everyone hates us now. There never were any WMD's in Iraq, we were LIED to. IMPEACH. PROSECUTE.
medic19800 3 years ago
Thank you for your post. You are brave.
concerned00citizen 3 years ago
Infantry Leads the Way.. Big Red One - Duty First. drive on soldiers..
ascheylus 3 years ago
Great video! BTW: what´s the song called playing from 1:23 on?
Doncahounas 3 years ago
JoePublicFilms Can you remove the spam? It's annoying. You have an awesome clip here & its all spammed up. Thats a shame.
chere7up 3 years ago
The stories of these servicemen and women are powerful. Go to the Iraq Veterans Against the War website and watch and listen to each of them tell their stories. This needs to be on mainstream media and it is extremely telling that it is not. The corporate media is serving to silence these men and women.
Jacksonholenativ 3 years ago 2
so, your telling me that I and the thousands of other troops that have been or are there or are going to go again are not brave? Your a hipocrit that has no respect for a POW, Vietnam VET, or any other soldier accept for those who have ran away! War solves nothing, duh! I hate but I sure as hit aint going to be sleeping when this country gets hit again!
dougbprice 3 years ago
It's spelled "HYPOCRITE"....and it means saying one thing and doing the opposite. For example: You run for President in 2000 on a platform criticizing "nation building" and swearing you'll never do it. Then you invade Iraq based on LIES to establish the foothold of a warped ideology by PNAC and other ultra right wing whackadoo warmongering groups (no members of which ever had the guts to serve in the military) and promptly begin "nation building". Now THAT'S H Y P O C R I S Y!!!!
medic19800 3 years ago
You talk about how this war is b.s and how we were lied to get there. I agree with most of what your saying, but as a soldier, it is not my place to question that. As an individual, if i greatly disagree with the policies of my goverment, i can leave (or never join in the first place) the military thru various means. If you care so much, become a politician, not a soldier.
doodoobird 3 years ago
My fellow Veteran....the days of "right or wrong my country" are long gone. We learned (or did we?) that lesson in Vietnam (those of us who who actually answered our country's call for help...NOT guys like ole "5 deferrment" Dick Cheney and dumbya who dodged the draft). If you don't agree with the policies of your government then what are YOU doing about it? Are you a concientious objector? I did something about it by refusing to reenlist and thousands are doing the same,it's why retention's low
medic19800 3 years ago
ok That does not mean you have been there to see anything, have you served? You can not say anything unless you have been there! NO ONE AGREES WITH MORE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, NO ONE!fricken obvious statement! the deal is what is being said by bias,never been there to see it, people. The lies that are told are plain BS. I have NEVER, EVER BEEN OR SEEN ANY ATROCITIES THAT ARE BEING SPOKEN OF! I have spent 17 months in dirty, gritty combat against these monsters! What have you done or seen!
dougbprice 3 years ago
winter soldiers are speaking out and it will mark the truth in a point where right wing argent bitches wont have any excuse to blame insurgencies or Iraqi's for the violence anymore, i'v predicted this this would happen! because it already happened in Vietnam, in 1971 winter soldier said the same thing! Noam chomsky said it all it needed to be said about the US policy and the dirty way it acts opp on it.
martok666 3 years ago
Traitors all. Mis-informed at that !
0311Mrne 3 years ago
No douchbag dougprice..go ur azz to Iraq (or go back) U hateful ignort thug!
We stood up against mainstream media and within 6 weeks we caused fox news aka news corp at $16 Billion loss. I always use an an alteranative news source. Mainstream medias report lies & I search out the facts.
so jump the F*** off me w/ the media crap!!
You should ur enemy I'm a friendly, then again no wonder ur lashing out like a pit bull on crack. You didnt know the enemy in Iraq either did you? Maybe your done?
chere7up 3 years ago
ok, so I see another never been there, never seen it, hipocrit is online! I could care les for your media smashing, the media is the source of the misinformation! when you can write proper English then we can talk! By the way, I am a multi tour Iraq combat vet! I would guess the way you are writing, you might be the one smokin the pipe, better clean it better!
dougbprice 3 years ago
I would never tell another soldier to go back to Iraq.
But I'm wondering, if you're a multi tour Iraq combat vet, why are you trashing the multi tour Iraq combat vets in the video? People like Steve Mortillo and Jason Washburn, for example, just to name the front two in the march?
IVAWSergeant 3 years ago
ok, so I see another never been there, never seen it, hipocrit is online! I could care les for your media smashing, the media is the source of the misinformation! when you can write proper English then we can talk! By the way, I am a multi tour Iraq combat vet! I would guess the way you are writing, you might be the one smokin the pipe, better clean it better!
dougbprice 3 years ago
If your one of America's finest why dont you act with respect & integrity? I dont understand why your raging at everyone & spamming this wonderful clip of TRUTH. We dont have be there to understand that its unconstitutional & an oil war. We seen the video on Halliburton & the malaira desease ridden water HALLIBURTON supplied to the Americans who unknowingly were showering & washing clothes in, then DENIED medical benefits when they came home.
Video captures the truth,we see,believe me, we see.
chere7up 3 years ago
i like the soldiers who march to the beat of a different drum. thanks:)
mwarn85 3 years ago 2
When will the abuses end?
""Half the budget of the Department of
Defense is going to no-bid contractors,"
Ralph Wipfly, a Brookings Institution
scholar who writes about military contracting, told the World. "It's like the military contractors are on steroids — this is
unprecedented
in the history of our country.
They are taking the taxpayers for many billions of dollars."
also, "The documents generated by Vice President Cheney's energy task force have been kept from the public."
ikekll 3 years ago
"A court case brought
forth a few maps that display oil fields in the Middle East.
We hereby put Congress on notice that there is probable cause
with regard to criminal activities by the Cheney Energy Task
Force involving a criminal conspiracy to launch illegal wars
and/or terrorist activities. We therefore demand that Energy
Task Force document that comprise, discuss, or refer to plans to
invade the Middle East, including Iran, and Venezuela or other
sovereign nations be..."
ikekll 3 years ago
released immediately.See Cheney v. District Court 542 U.S. 367"
(source: U.S. War Profiteers Steal Billions
By John Wojcik)
ikekll 3 years ago
Winter Soldiers you are true patriots, the heros. Your bringing on the truth, where we have been Americans dumbed down by mainstream media & our current administration. ESPECIALLY NANCY PELOSI who made the most promises LIES to help stop the OIL WAR.
Thank God for these Winter Soldiers Leaders.
The Winter Soldiers said it...
I believe them....
That settles it!
chere7up 3 years ago 2
would you believe the sky was falling? have been to war? have you seen these things? I hate you media fed liberal commies! wake up and look closer, away from the media!
dougbprice 3 years ago
Yeah right on! You guys rock!
ejclarkee 3 years ago
whats the music?
afrodisiac1984 3 years ago