How many times have you met Jesus Christ compared to how many times you have sat on a chair? I have faith in chairs to hold me up -faith based on experiance ever since I was a little kid-that the chair would do what it was designed to do. Having faith in something we do hundreds of times a week or a day is not faith but rather experiance and emperecism. I never physichally met Christ but still have faith he exists.
@daveme7 My point about the chair is to illustrate the idea of trust. In the Bible the "faith" comes from the Greek word "pistis" which means trust, confidence in, or assurance. "Believe" the noun form of the word. My point was in the same way we we might rely on a chair to hold us up, we must rely on Christ and his finished work on the cross to get us to heaven (Eph 2:8-9). If we believe our works have any part in our salvation or keeping our salvation, we have not truly trusted (believed).
@johnss24601 I do understand you rpoint on that and many including my self have used it. After awhile-I questioned myself on that for the simple fact is that a good way to try and explain? When seeing the scriptures use the word and at times defined-you cannot see it. Hebrews 11:1 is a god starting point andalso Romans 8 right before the passages on election in verses 23-25 though in cpontext is better. I probably didnotcome off the right in my tone or intending to sound like a big jerk.
@daveme7 No, I didn't think you sounded like that. I was just clarifying what I meant. Sometimes people define faith as believing something without proof. I think the more accurate Biblical definition would be "trust or rely upon". Many who saw Jesus on the earth had much proof but did not trust in Christ. I don't think it is wrong to have faith "trust" that is reinforced by the reasonable evidence in the Bible such as fulfilled prophecy, which the apostles often quoted and appealed to.
@johnss24601 That actually does make a bit more sense if one thought of the 24 hour days given in that concept in Genesis. A part of this is sometimes from studyong and trying to write about things dealing with the emergent church which defines modern day Christianity as relying on certitude of fact. As I continue I realize that certitude is not bad as I know much and have certainty based on the witness of the Spirit of God in scriptures. Just because someone says it is wrong does not make it so
How many times have you met Jesus Christ compared to how many times you have sat on a chair? I have faith in chairs to hold me up -faith based on experiance ever since I was a little kid-that the chair would do what it was designed to do. Having faith in something we do hundreds of times a week or a day is not faith but rather experiance and emperecism. I never physichally met Christ but still have faith he exists.
daveme7 1 year ago
@daveme7 My point about the chair is to illustrate the idea of trust. In the Bible the "faith" comes from the Greek word "pistis" which means trust, confidence in, or assurance. "Believe" the noun form of the word. My point was in the same way we we might rely on a chair to hold us up, we must rely on Christ and his finished work on the cross to get us to heaven (Eph 2:8-9). If we believe our works have any part in our salvation or keeping our salvation, we have not truly trusted (believed).
johnss24601 1 year ago
@johnss24601 I do understand you rpoint on that and many including my self have used it. After awhile-I questioned myself on that for the simple fact is that a good way to try and explain? When seeing the scriptures use the word and at times defined-you cannot see it. Hebrews 11:1 is a god starting point andalso Romans 8 right before the passages on election in verses 23-25 though in cpontext is better. I probably didnotcome off the right in my tone or intending to sound like a big jerk.
daveme7 1 year ago
@daveme7 No, I didn't think you sounded like that. I was just clarifying what I meant. Sometimes people define faith as believing something without proof. I think the more accurate Biblical definition would be "trust or rely upon". Many who saw Jesus on the earth had much proof but did not trust in Christ. I don't think it is wrong to have faith "trust" that is reinforced by the reasonable evidence in the Bible such as fulfilled prophecy, which the apostles often quoted and appealed to.
johnss24601 1 year ago
@johnss24601 That actually does make a bit more sense if one thought of the 24 hour days given in that concept in Genesis. A part of this is sometimes from studyong and trying to write about things dealing with the emergent church which defines modern day Christianity as relying on certitude of fact. As I continue I realize that certitude is not bad as I know much and have certainty based on the witness of the Spirit of God in scriptures. Just because someone says it is wrong does not make it so
daveme7 1 year ago