RE: Reasons why we went into Iraq

[AwakenFromTheSlumber]

reasons we went into Iraq "Oil, Isreal, NeoCons"

[00Billy]

So how many Kurds died from a lack of balls, and a surplus of arrogance, by the USA?

[middsteve]

Scott Ritter....another walking, talking piece of human excrement.

[tonybenn1000]

its easy to fool most americans all the time because they beleave the main stream media like SHEEP!!

[BlameRepublicans]

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[sheshe670]

for iran

[philosopherwolffy]

Ritter received $400,000 from Shakir al- Khafaji, an associate of Tariq Aziz, Husseins Foreign Minister. We are dealing with politics here. In the political world it is a good rule of thumb to never ascribe to scruples that which can be more easily be explained by bribery.

Subotai Bahadur

[ChiefHoot]

Iraq did have ready chemical weapons, Sarin gas at least. (Not biological)

How do I know this?

The same gas Saddam used on the Kurds after the Iraqi "elections" back in '92 (After the US pulled out).

There were weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq when the US invaded in 2003.

How?

Simple, the US sold the weapons to Saddam and Iraq! Saddam still had plenty in stockpiles.

Anybody remember Oliver North and Iran Contra?

[oldjoe5]

Actually Saddam gassed the kurds in the spring of 1988 at the tail end of the Iraq Iran war. Reagan/Bush admin responded to this horror by UPPING the aid they were giving Saddam.

There were no stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq by 2003 -- unlike in say, Israel, a nation with hundreds of undeclared, illegally obtained, and uninspected nukes.

The US actually sold weapons to Iran, not Iraq, in the Iran Contra scandal (not so suprisingly given the name of the scandal)

[deltaalpha21074]

Bush was put in Office just like Obama is now..the Creeps who are geering up for NWO are happy as hell with how things have transpired except for one thing......NIbiru OH yeah salvation is coming.

[cffalk]

ritter did a shitty job and now he's trying to blame everybody but himself

[brouhajoe]

A shitty job, how so? The inspectors were tasked with disarming Iraq, and they did so.

[proconsulaugustus]

shut up you uneducated moron. Clearly you don't know shit. Ignored.

[afghanosaurus]

Thank You Mr. Bbrouhajoe!

[averageworkinggal]

Operation Desert Fox - Bill Clinton and Sandy Burglar are war criminals!!!! Arrest them!!.

[dexterriley]

how come the united states has nukes israel has nukes but nobody else can have nukes? id rather have everyone have them or nobody, after all there is only one nation that has ..all rhetoric aside,actually dropped the bomb.

[dilbertgeg]

Ritter is narrow on this talk.

Two sources explain WHY we went: The Grand Chessboard written for CFR, and the PNAC website. GLOBAL HEGEMONY and EMPIRE. No mystery.

"Americans don't read." - Dulles

If Americans prefer Empire to Republic, kiss our constitution, our freedom, our liberty, goodbye. It's the death of America, and some people are celebrating.

(Osama actually *predicted* that would happen, but I think he not only *WAS* as CIA covert asset since 1979, but remains one.)

[dilbertgeg]

Ritter cares about the US Constitution and the fate of our Republic, Iraqis 2nd.

Stated that Iraq did not 100% comply, but the US produced NO EVIDENCE of WMD.

WMD info came from known criminal Chalabi and a Rendon Group CIA front called Iraqi National Congress. THEY knew that, NYT helped conceal that.

The Conservative movement has adopted Stalinism as it's ideal, but it calls it Americanism. Paranoia. Secret Police. etc.

Just like Bush said: The Constitution is a goddam piece of paper.

[ArizonaMtKingsnake]

I prefer Ritter as a President than Bush/Cheney . Ritter isnt a narrow minded neocon liar

[TokJokWTB]

Ritter is a "paper and in patriot" and a real world traitor.

[brouhajoe]

I'm not familiar with the "paper and in patriot" phrase, what does it mean? And aside from calling him a traitor, do you have anything to say that refutes one word of his arguments here, or is this just another hit and run ad hominem?

[TokJokWTB]

oops thats "paper and INK patriot". It's not about refuting what he has said it's about life in the real world. He talks about the "agreement" we had with Iraq. This was an agreement made as a result of Husseins attack on and attempt to annex Kuwait. In other words it's a deal with a terrorist, so to speak, and we'll adhere to it if we feel like it and if the terrorist doesn't like it too f'n bad. Ritter lives in the paper and ink world. He says "read the UN charter", sure, the paper cont.

[TokJokWTB]

and ink says what it says. That paper and ink UN charter isn't adhered to by a great many of it's members but boy oh boy according to Ritter the US has to adhere to it in all ways and at all times. The UN puts dictatorships on their human rights commission for chrissakes it's a joke IN THE REAL WORLD. Ritter is obviously incapable of differentiating between the two. To me it's like the idea of gun control. Pass a paper and ink law that outlaws private ownership of guns and IN THE REAL cont.

[TokJokWTB]

WORLD the criminals still get the guns and the honest citizen is disarmed, but, if "citizenA" were to illegally keep a gun, and use it in self defense to save his own life, Ritter would jump up and down say 'prosecute citizenA prosecute, prosecute, he violated the paper and ink!". Ritter should keep his mouth shut and let the real world progress.

[TokJokWTB]

But oh gee whiz we didn't adhere to our paper and ink agreement with a vicious psychopath. Too f'n bad! When you make an agreement with a vicious psychopath that he should step back one foot, in the process of him stepping back you give him a push so he ends up three feet back. When he protests you say "too f'n bad!".

[brouhajoe]

I see where you're coming from now. First off, I think the reason he brings up the UN charter is because we are legally bound to it (yes, on paper, where all of our laws reside). Regardless of how corrupt the UN is (and I don't disagree that it is), it still renders our actions criminal in nature, and war crimes are not to be taken lightly, even on paper.

[brouhajoe]

As for our agreement with Iraq, I used this clip of Ritter to make the point to my friend LIVERLADD that the "reasons why we went into Iraq" are much, much more complicated than the government propaganda story he seems to believe. It doesn't mean you or I have to agree with Ritter's political positions, but you seem to agree that it was, in fact, more complicated...you just don't care that it was, as the "real world" is always more complicated.

[baburo101]

Fat cheeked bastard!

[brouhajoe]

lol, who, me or Ritter?

[nellieeeeee]

The real reason Bush (corporate-military-industrial conglomerate)wants a puppet government in Iraq is so that it will go back to the dollar standard.They have switched to the Euro and made out big time(dollar decline 17% against the Euro in 2002.THe US is completely censoring this information.They would like to push their campaign of fear.Don't be ignorant and complacent.Don't be ruled by fear and lies.We must DEMAND that our government begin the pursuit of energy conservation,renewable energy

[SandmanComes]

The real reason we invaded Iraq was because Bush/Cheany, the CIA and the Federal reserve doesn't want Iraq or any other OPEC country to switch from the US dollar as an oil transaction currency to the Euro. They also want to secure control of Iraq's oil before the onset of Peak Oil(around 2010 when production begins to decrease)They want to gain geo-stagegic control of Iraq.THey also want to do this with Iran, who is also considering using the Euro instead of the dollar.

[rugger8541]

ISG (Iraq study group) testimony in 2004 maintains iraq had Nuclear, Chemical and biological weapons capacity up to the 2003 invasion but just didn't mass produce. in 2003 "seed" stocks of certain agents were captured by coalition with ISG help. these "facts" are available open source on the CIA's website. or you can just all keep watching you tube for your truth.

[brouhajoe]

What Ritter discusses here has to do with whether or not Iraq had produced "mass stock piles" of these weapons (they had not, by your own admission), which is what we were being told at the time of the taping, not whether they were capable of producing them, which is what you've cited here. So, your statement contradicts nothing in this video, and it seems truth can be found in many places.

[tuberstank]

Yes, America is totally dependent on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel that the left will not let us tap into on our native soil. Not saying we were 100% right doing what we did, but dont stand around and chant no war for oil if you are not willing to sell your car and start a bicycle society like the Netherlands!

Fossil fuel are vital to EVERYTHING we have and do in America!

[nellieeeeee]

We should be spending as much money on developing alternate bio fuels and energies as we are on the war in Iraq. THEN we would be making progress. Then we would solve a multitude of problems. But since we have an oil man as president, who is out to make as much money for himself and his cronies as he can we will continue on this path of mass destruction. We have the technology and the knowledge to change our future. It all comes down to money and power.

[tuberstank]

Nut. You are a nut. EVERYTHING you own was transported by truck! Everything in your home, your car, everything! Trucks move over 90% of all freight, INCLUDING FOOD! without fossil fuels to power them, we might starve people. and that is what you want, while we develop bio-fuels? All you are doing is bush-bitching and starting class warfare!

[nellieeeeee]

Why can't we develope bio fuels at the same time we are using fossil fuels. I'm not saying stop using them immediately but we need to develope alternatives. Eventually we are going to run out of fossil fuels. Do you want to wait untill then to begin thinking about alternatives? Think of the future not just about today.I'm Staring class warfare?HA! Bush has done more to separate and create class warfare than anyone of us could ever do. The middle class is dissapearing the poor are getting poorer

[InTheSticks1881]

Very Interesting. It's good to have truth.

We need to stop this madness. This tells me there was never a good reason to mess with Iraq. We've been lied to. Thank you for sharing.

[JustOneEarth]

Ah man this vid was a little depressing.

Is the US government the only one making covert assassination attempts (via the CIA) on other heads of state? Are others as well but we just never hear about it?

[brouhajoe]

I assume it's common practice, but our agencies and black ops are much more powerful and effective.

[J1Goro]

Nice.

[ironlamb]

Yes. I have also been debating with Liverlad and he seems pretty much set in his views. For some reason he believes that Democracy's can never be governed by people with less than altruistic motives. Nothing has changed in 3000 years of Empires. Why did the Romans conqueur? MONEY. It's the same today.

[brouhajoe]

Very true, empire is empire. Yeah, that seems to be a common theme on Liverladd's page, I've been going back and forth with a blank account over there for a week now, and every time you back him into a corner, he writes off any reference you cite as propaganda and moves on to the next point.

[ironlamb]

There was a brilliant documentary on last night here in the UK. The War on Democracy a film by John Pilger. It was about the involvement of the U.S and CIA in South America over the past 50 years

[ironlamb]

It even had interviews with ex CIA members who admitted the things they did and the policies they persued, regardless they were tampering with a Democracy. It was about economy and privatisation. It was actually quite scary.

[ironlamb]

Liverladd thinks if you make these points you are anti American and anti democracy, but thats rubbish. I love American culture and people, but I know the Neo Cons and others have nothing in common with me and the average American.

[brouhajoe]

I haven't seen that doc, I'll have to check it out. There's a great book by Stephen Kinzer called "Overthrow" that chronicles our overthrows (usually CIA initiated) from Hawaii up to now. Central and South America hold some examples, but the one that I think has direct relevance to our current conflict is our CIA sponsored coup in Iran in '53 to overthrow their democratically elected gov't and install the Shah dictator who brutalized and radicalized that country.

[ironlamb]

Hopefully someone will post it. I even asked Liverladd to catch it but he refused, saying anything by John Pilger was garbage. I'll definitely check out that book, it sounds very informative. The Iran overthrow is a big point with me.

[brouhajoe]

I'd highly recommend it. The story of how we took over Hawaii (the first in the book) is one of the most interesting therein.

[ironlamb]

Especially as the Iranian people get the blame for the Ayattollah government. I can't beleive some comments I come across on youtube, they don't just attack the Iran government but also come out with some blatant hatred and racism.

[brouhajoe]

The entire Bush policy in "The War On Terror" (TWAT) is based in racism, especially when he says things like "we're going to fight them over there" or "on their land, so we don't have to fight them here." "Them," "Their land," who are they? They aren't the terrorists who attacked us, and Iraq isn't "their" land.

[brouhajoe]

We've turned Iraq into our battle ground and brought Al'Qaeda down on them (an enormous moral crime, to say nothing of international law) because to Bush and his supporters, Arab Muslims attacked us on 9/11, so fighting "them" on Arab Muslim land is justified, regardless of in which particular country we choose to do it.

[ironlamb]

Exactly! And because Saddam and Bin Laden are/were Arabs then it's ok to put them in the same box.

[ironlamb]

Let me clarify the last post. They created a link between the two because they are both Arabs, even though they have/had completely different ideologies.

[brouhajoe]

Understood:)

[ironlamb]

Cool :)

[naawzir]

RE: Reasons why we went into Iraq.

Global domination. Syria and Iran are next on the list of countries to "help bring true democracy" (bomb and invade)

[brouhajoe]

Don't forget Venezuela.

[joecitizan]

True. They too have black gold in their ground.

[ChoDilly]

The movie wag the dog where they try and spin the old shoe soldier into a war hero, it is exactly the same way they tried to spin Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman. The corporate media is the best fiction on TV.

[ChoDilly]

I would have to say Midnight Cowboy was his best role. Ratso Rizzo....

[ChoDilly]

I'm actually sitting here watching the movie "Wag the dog". That movie tells the truth about how it really is.

[brouhajoe]

That's Hoffman's best role ever in my view.

[ChoDilly]

I notice that Youtube is helping with the spin cycle. I have voted 5 star twice on your video and they havent registered it. I gave Liverladds 1 star and even though his video is actually a 3, it still shows a 5 on the main page.

[brouhajoe]

Thanks for the vote regardless. Youtube's been glitchy lately.

[ChoDilly]

The invasion of Iraq and regime change is based on lies, and illegal according to UN mandate. Liverladd is a naive kid that believes the news media spin on everything they feed to him. We need to bring out troops home now!

[brouhajoe]

You're absolutely right on the illegality of the war. It's also illegal under the Nuremberg Tribunals Charter. I'll be addressing the illegality of our actions before and during the occupation in future vids (what specific clauses of what laws were violated and so on), I hope you'll return to check in from time to time, take care.

[ChoDilly]

I support you brother. The problem with a lot of these armchair patriots is that they are to young to remember Viet Nam, Kent State, Watergate, the savings and loan scandels of the 80's and more. All brought to us by the same criminals in charge now.

[brouhajoe]

True that. I try not to harp on LIVERLADD personaly though, he's a solder and seems like a nice enough guy, even if we disagree on this issue.