Homemade No on 8 Commercial (prop, proposition h8)

[cardonaedgardo]

God loves you unconditionally! To love someone doesn't mean to agree with the things they do, think, or say. To love someone is to accept that person for who that person is, nothing else should matter. That is how God is with the people.

[lilytrocks12]

Dude Im younger than 13 and ik that I didnt get taught in school about gay stuff. they are using cildren to lie for us and I think that is chicken ****! Those ppl that say yes on 8 are just discriminators and i dont want to say anymore cause i dont want to get spammed

[tinkerbella9076]

You know what i find ridiculous im hella young and yet im smarter then these fucking idiots who think yes on 8.

NO ON 8@

[robbjmc]

WRONG! Completely wrong. Search YouTube for: Jay Spears' Smak Dem Christians for a quick (and funny) lesson on who was NOT christian in our nation's history. Enjoy.

[robbjmc]

You can opine all you want. On the books, Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

[ChrisTheFitz]

And he is right.

This is FAR from over.

The rallys are just beginning.

This law will be overrun.

[CrazyHamo]

1st off, US dollar is US dollar where ever it came from. 2nd, Prop 8 does not take away rights because you can still live exactly like any other couple just not considered "Married." Gay Marriage was never praciticed for millions of years, why do you think we're taking away your rights now? In fact, it has never been practiced for millions of years, why are we going to change the definition of marriage now? Because there's more gays than ever? because San Fran is a Gay capital? Come On!

[robbjmc]

1st off, this is a California Civil issue, not a Utah church issue. The donation of $20 million to the Yes campaign, as prompted by the Mormon church, makes the separation of church from state a murky area. 2nd off, there have been gays and gay relationships long before the existence of Mormon & Catholic Churches and even Christianity. Alexander the Great was gay. There were even gay marriages. And finally, there's no such thing as separate but equal. State Marriage should be for all. Equally.

[jenlindy73]

I'm not done :) There is a however...I think you all are wonderful people and it is important to stand up for what you believe in. All people don't believe in the same things and that is what makes us individuals. This is a strong part of what we believe, and if it hadn't passed, would have brought upon numerous other problems for our church. Not everyone can enter our temples. Not even all members. I wish you all a wonderful life, and good luck with everything :) No more hate crimes please!

[robbjmc]

Thanks for your post. I'm very aware of the tenants of your temples. My other half is an ex-Mormon. But I must respond to your view on "numerous other problems." You are mistaken. This is about the STATE definition of marriage, not a religious one. The Court decision on same-sex marriage also strictly protects churches from any fallout: we STILL would never have been able to enter your temples. The malicious ads that said otherwise were flat-out lying to scare you into voting the way you did.

[EmilytheXenocide]

In your faith it's something to be kept sacred between a man and a woman, great, do that in your faith...so what about those outside your faith?

[katiatomsk]

What "rights" does Prop 8 take away? That argument doesn't make sense to me.

[robbjmc]

It eliminates marriage for same-sex couples. Therefore only "Domestic Partnerships" are allowed us under State Law. Would you like it if your marriage were suddenly labeled something else by the state -- something less-than in the eyes of the government? This IS the back of the bus. This IS a separate drinking fountain. Under State Law, all persons should be equal. The rights person A is given should be given to person B. Separate but equal, as this country has shown in the past does not exist.

[EmilytheXenocide]

It's taking away the same rights it would be taking away if they banned YOU from marrying the person you love and cherish.

[powa2life]

I am sorry that prop 8 got passed. I am a religious person, but I wouldn't have voted for it because I don't think my belief system should be forced on you/others.

The down fall of democracy, not all groups can ever be happy at the same time.

[robbjmc]

Thank you so much for your candor and your sense of fairness. We very much appreciate the 48% of Californians who were able to step back and look at this with detached objectivity. I know for some that this was a very difficult decision -- thank you again.

[loshyout]

No on prop 8!

Keep up the fight!

No one should have their rights taken away,

Now that's just wrong.

[Darkestdeathrox]

well now prop 8 has passed! so i would expect this vid to be removed!

[robbjmc]

No way will this vid be removed! And no way is this war on thinly veiled discrimination over!

[robbjmc]

@Darkestdeathrox I'm so glad this video is still right where it is on this day.

[emopeacekid]

What happen "no to 8" guys? Looks like you got your ass' wipped, again. Even with dictatorial judges, a phycho mayor, judge Brown changing the wording on the ballot at the last minute and the propaganda of the unholy forces of hollywood on your side, people can still think for themselves and see that gay marriage is wrong. Oh yeah, if it is truly equality for all then why are you not demanding the right for polygamists to marry? I guess equality only applies to those you like huh fella's? Peace!

[robbjmc]

Now that's really classy! There's nothing emo or peaceful about you. First you vote against equality and then you taunt us when your discriminatory measure squeaks by with barely more than half the vote. Do you also stab puppies? As for polygamy, do YOU believe that three people can be in love and that it's a genetic pre-disposition? This story isn't even half over, emobuttwipe.

[marinafart]

learn to type, emopeacekid. your poor spelling is as much a reflection of your low intelligence as the ignorance you display in your comment

[robbjmc]

@emopeacekid Now...see?

[robbjmc]

There's no such thing as separate but equal. African-Americans once had to have a separate drinking fountain and sit in the back of the bus. Civil Unions are the exact same thing. And for you to be able to marry the person that you love is a right that gays will not have if 8 passes. Which means that you're wrong. But thanks for trying the whole sleight-of-hand, wordsmith-y crap anyway.

[Darkestdeathrox]

in the california education code 51890 it states that marriage is taught in school. just because im yes on 8 doesnt mean i am being hateful. in fact, i went sign waving for yes on 8, and many people against it flipped me off, or yelled vulgar at me. Which side of the campaign is being hateful again? your side. i have a yes on 8 sign in my front yard. a no on 8 person came by and wrote NO in big black letters across it.  Did i do that to a no on 8 sign? no.

[robbjmc]

You can't blame an entire campaign for the actions of a few people. And believe me, I got flipped off and called a "g*ddam faggot" for waving a sign that said "No on 8." Poor behavior -- on both sides -- is unfortunate but expected for an issue this emotionally charged. So aside from hooliganism, why do you support 8? Don't you think that allowing the masses to vote on the rights of a minority just because they're not like everyone else is a hateful act too? Do you know anyone who's gay?

[RyansOnly]

There will be poor behavior because of the impact this will have on all of us. This issue is bigger then being straight or gay or religious or not. This is about being an American and exercising basic rights an American has. And since this is America and our rights arent determined by one religion we should remember who we are and where we live and why we have the right to believe what we believe today. and give everyone the right to love who they love and be with them.

[ch5342]

I will wave a sign in front of you saying "I will eliminate your right to marry" and tell me how that feels to you. You take it for granted, but for us is a fight for equality. Still I dont justify some peoples behavior.

[Darkestdeathrox]

you are quite wrong. i dont hate gays, but im sorry you are wrong.

[robbjmc]

Can you give me a little more to go on with why you think this? Or are you just going to go with that not-so-convincing "because....because I said so" argument?

[wereburninup4younick]

I don't disagree with same-sex relationshops, but the marriage but is a little much. Call it something else. If your gay, your gay. But, marriage is between man and wife. Call it lifeterm ceremony or something different.

Adam and Eve, not Steve.

I have 100% NOTHING agaisn't gays, but the fact of them wanting to call it marriage is NOT okay.

Vote YES on 8, for the children.

[robbjmc]

Then you DO disagree with same-sex relationships. And yknow what? No ones actually asking for you to agree with them. Its fine for you to believe what you believe, absolutely. HOWEVER, when you impose your belief over the sense of fairness provided to us all by the constitution, you cross a line. And when you vote discrimination INTO the constitution, you may soon encounter a prop you cant live with. Whats to stop them after this? [continued]

[robbjmc]

Don't forget the words of Niemoller:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

[robbjmc]

And compare those to the words of Obama:

"I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about." "Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them."

It's not about kids, as the fear-mongering, lying ads have told you. It absolutely is about control and power and religious bigotry. Don't add it to our constitution. Vote NO ON 8!

[wereburninup4younick]

Well, it's over now.

YES over rided No.

[robbjmc]

Thanks for stating the obvious...but this is FAR from over. And I'm not grasping at straws: the process for REVISING the constitution would require a 2/3s majority from the legislature AND a vote from the public. This was no mere amendment to the constitution, it's an attempt to revise it WHILE stripping a minority of their rights. It will, God willing, be thrown out.

[wereburninup4younick]

YOUR WELCOME.. and you continue to try and make it legal and we'll continue to override your decision, because it is wrong and disgusting and NOT what God has planned for our lives.

One more thing, you using God's name as if he is willing Gay Marriage be legal, is a lie.

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yes on 8, [:

[robbjmc]

Sez who? YOUR punishing version of God is not mine. Your logic is circular (meaning you can't substantiate anything without pointing back to your own faulty logic) and the fact that call my lifestyle disgusting is proof that you voted with irrational thought and fear. Finally, 52% is hardly overriding. After the manipulative, lying, fear-mongering ads your side ran, you'd think it woulda been higher. Many people were too smart for that. The completely unconstitutional prop 8's days are numbered.

[wereburninup4younick]

Yes, you are absolutely correct.

I did vote in fear.

I don't want to walk around town seeing two men or women, kissing, holding hands, and crap like that.

It is by far DISGUSTING.

You calling our ADS manipulative, lying, etc., is just a sign of your weakness and fear of losing, once again.

P.S. - Do you want to have sex with a man?

Well, if you do, it's impossible.

It is probably impossible because God didn't want "men on men" to be considered "sex!"

[robbjmc]

Your ads did lie. A lot, actually, including a misrepresentation of Obama's position on 8, truly bearing false witness. And now, as I expected, you've even stopped making sense, both grammatically and logically, not that you were ever a Rhodes Scholar in either area. "By far disgusting" is not really a quantitative measure, is it? And if "men on men" is not "sex," then what are you so worked up over? Just pretend we're all on a fishing trip and go crawl back into the cave from whence you came.

[wereburninup4younick]

Haha, Obama is a stupid piece of crap.

The only respect I have for him, is as a 'president'.

Trust me, I did NOT vote for him.

I'm not worked up about anything, I could care less about you and your lover.

All I care about is God's wish for all, according to the Bible.

I mean, Have you read it?

Oh, and I'll crawl back into that cave, when you get a brain.

NEVER.

[ChrisTheFitz]

McCain is the stupid piece of 'crap'.

Your also considered that.

Prop 8 is wrong, and unfair, I could care less about what your religion says. You are taking away a persons "pursuit of happiness". This is NOT about religion, this is about LOVE. You can pull whatever quote from your famous leader, or book, but none matches up to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Follow your heart for what is right, not what is wrong.

[robbjmc]

Thanks, CTF! This Miley Cyrus fan really needs to get a clue.

Bible bible bible...irrelevant, irrelevant irrelevant. Come up with a real argument why don't you? There's a reason our forefathers gathered together to sign the Declaration of Independence and NOT a Bible.

[wereburninup4younick]

Ok,whatever, I am not going to waste my time fighting with a gay man because he wants Yes On 8.

Face it, it was a NO!

So enjoy your life, but you are not marrying a man.

[ChrisTheFitz]

FYI. I'm 14, and I'm straight.

I got a girlfriend. And I'm not planning on marrying anyone anytime soon.

Atleast I know whats right and whats wrong.

[robbjmc]

First of all, I want NO on 8...apparently you're easily confused. Secondly, I don't have to "face it". Even our Republican governor thinks that prop 8 is going down in flames. It was struck down as unconstitutional once...why is it that it's suddenly thought of as constitutional 8 years later? Dumb. And a waste of money. I'll invite you to the wedding, little bigot beeyotch. :)

[robbjmc]

This isn't a presidential debate -- that comment was to show how the Yes-on-8 ads lied using Obama's name. And you have nothing to say about that...I guess because morals are only there when they are convenient for your side. And yes, I've read the Bible. But once again (really, who's the one in need of a brain here when you can't seem to understand this), the Bible is the Bible. And Prop 8 is about the Constitution, which is to protect us ALL, even those who do not believe in the Bible. See?

[robbjmc]

Prop 8 is "divisive and discriminatory" -- Obama

No matter how you feel abut YOUR marriage, please don't vote discrimination into the constitution. Obama knows this...so should you. To impose YOUR belief system over the intent of fairness within our constitution is an act of bigotry. Please keep the constitution free of discrimination. Thank you.

[e28056]

(no matter what they are) and providing further power to an already flawed court system via legal precedent (as the far majority voted for Prop 22 in 1998) has no personal effect on me. That is all I wanted you to recognize before you accused me of being a bigot. And now I guess we will see how it turns out in 3 days time.

[robbjmc]

e (may I call you e?), I think that anyone who uses a personal belief to supersede the idea of fairness is a bigot. Period. And no, the vagueries of "power to a flawed court system" (how convenient, now that you don't agree with them) and "changing the definition of your marriage" (how weak must it be if I can change it by getting married myself?) are NOT examples of how your life will be at all affected by same-sex marriage in any real way. This is about STATE-sanctioned marriage. Vote NO ON 8.

[e28056]

This is the last time that I am going to write as obviously you only hear what you want to hear. The reason that I originally posted on your video was to tell you that your argument is flawed in that you feel that it is unfair for proponents of Yes-On 8 to receive outside money, yet opponents of the proposition have been receiving money and as reported by yourself have received more money. You then accused me that changing the definition of my marriage, going against my beliefs

[robbjmc]

I'm calling BS on that. I've directly engaged you on every point, but you claim that I am the one who doesn't hear you and doesn't answer you. Meanwhile, you haven't ONCE answered my question about how same-sex marriage actually affects you. And now that I've shown your information about monies to the prop 8 campaigns to be GROSSLY incorrect, you've decided to run for the hills. And I have never accused you of changing the definition of marriage, though I believe that's how you're going to vote.

[robbjmc]

Perhaps I can make this even clearer to you by asking this: When was it, exactly, that I got to vote on whether or not YOU had any right to be married? Reverse discrimination? Try this: from your posts, I assume you'll be voting yes on 8. You'll be allowing thousands of "contributing and productive" Californians to have a separate - unequal - status under the constitution...the constitution, which is there to protect us all! What personal belief do you follow that makes that an okay thing to do?

[e28056]

Where are you getting all of this from? He said that because I was not gay, that events in California do not effect me. I am not ragging on any one for being gay, but what he said to me was reverse-discrimination.

[robbjmc]

e28056, listen. Nothing I said was discrimination of any kind. Did you even read my answers? I said no one -- gay or straight or hispanic or white or female or male -- should be voting on the rights of anyone else. All people should have the same rights, period. If you have somehow taken this to be singling YOU out, then you're not paying attention. And no, you STILL haven't answered me on how MY marriage would make any real difference to YOUR life or marriage. Stop accusing and start answering.

[e28056]

So what you are implying is that as a California resident, that the passing or not passing of Prop. 8 will have no personal effect on me because I am not gay; even though I too have been contributing and am a productive member of society. You know that that is an egregious comment on your behalf and completely against what you proclaim to stand for.

[robbjmc]

That is NOT an "egregious" or even incorrect comment. In debating this issue on several sites and here on youtube, I have yet to come across anyone who can tell me how same-sex marriage will affect their marriages in any tangible, negative way. The stuff about schools and churches is baloney (the laws in California are different than in Massachusetts). I hear fear. I hear fear-mongering. But I've yet to hear how my marriage could possibly affect yours...and that's what "I proclaim to stand for."

[robbjmc]

Furthermore, the things that I proclaim to stand for have been consistently misheard (or insistently misconstrued) by you for some reason. If you wish for me to make a comment on the right of the masses to vote on minority rights, here it is: No way is it constitutional. Opinions of the masses shift. Hitler was once very popular in his country...had there been a vote on the rights of minorities there, how do you think that would have gone? The very existence of Prop 8 is unfair. Please Vote NO.

[a76mo]

Really? Egregious? And as a gay man my contribution to society is less than yours because ----- ? You can fill in the blank anytime. Or maybe you can't.

[e28056]

Obviously you did not do your homework well enough. According to a press release by No on Prop 8 director on Oct 24th (this report can be found on such sites at market watch [see how is cite my data]) the funds on No prop 8 have more than doubled in the last three weeks, outstripping the proponents for the proposition.

[robbjmc]

"In the last three weeks" hardly goes against anything I was saying in the video or my last post. I have donated a good amount in the last three weeks myself -- and my motivation was the huge amount that had been amassed by the "yes-on-8" campaign.

[robbjmc]

I did my homework. Re-read the post. The preponderance of money in September and October was generated for the Yes-On-8 campaign and largely from pulpits. Fear-mongering and religious urging not only brought the Yes campaign a windfall (which you can't deny outstripped the No campaign), it briefly changed the polls on this issue. In the last three weeks, people like myself, contributing what we had because we actually have a personal stake in the issue, have evened the score. Are you clear now?

[gypsynoodles]

In the bodunk shitty town of Visalia people are staking Yes on 8 signs in their lawns and throwing a tantrum about THE EVIL GAYS threatening their kids or something.

[robbjmc]

I did my homework. The money against 8 came in slowly and was outstripped by the money FOR 8. The Yes-on-8 campaign money escalated the issue in September and October as it was announced from Church pulpits -- largely in Mormon Churches -- that the "gay agenda" was going to remain legalized in California. If the rest of the nation stepped up to contribute to oppose 8, it was only in response to the huge outpouring of money from out-of-state interests into the unfair Yes-on-8 campaign. NO ON 8!

[e28056]

The next time you to make a video, do your homework first. According to a study done by the nonpartisan National Institute on Money in State Politics, opponents of prop 8 have received 3 times the amount of money then proponents of the act with over 10% more of that money coming from out of state. Conclusion to those of you reading this, don't believe the bias comments that you hear without researching it first.

[robbjmc]

The next time you post to tell me to do my homework, try doing yours. Your factoid ("opponents of prop 8 have received 3 times the money") isn't even CLOSE to the truth. The National Institute on Money in State Politics, whom you "quoted," actually say "As of Friday [10/25], supporters of Proposition 8 had raised $27.5 million...Opponents have raised $31.2 million." Until very recently, the opponents were actually trailing as I've told you. Your efforts to be distracting should at least be true.

[JordanMalliart]

vote NO on prop 8!

[GorillaSaint]

yeah...no on prop 8 people call me a hater...whats up with my yes on 8 sign having to be replaced 4 times. I dont want my kids to learn how to have butt sex, and have the extra influence. Its not genetic, its an influence, a worm in the mind. Look at the statistics of gay mariage, its utterly and upmost disgusting. The adultery rate and divorce rate go sky high and man i dont wanna even go into it. Its not discrimination, its just facing right and wrong. Too much ethos goes into this no on prop8

[robbjmc]

They call you a hater because you say things like "how to have butt sex" and "its a worm in the mind." Look, no one wants to teach your kids ANYTHING except tolerance. And what statistics on gay marriage? If you're talking the divorce rate of about 50%, well, sorry, but that's straights. And if you're talking adultery, cheating, spousal abuse, pedophilia...still ALL predominantly straight people (and that last one by a WIDE margin). Try ethics instead of ethos. NO ON 8!

[GorillaSaint]

am i right though? 96% of schools will be required to teach it....thats disgusting, why? because its not pausible!!! so as vulgar as butt sex sounds, its true. Is homosexuality genetic? NO...its an influence...just like drugs, just like becoming a gangster. Kids are gonna get all depressed and punked because they have a mom and mom. No on 8 basically sets them up for discrimination. I can tolerate homosexuals, just not their motives.

[robbjmc]

No, you're absolutely 100% wrong about almost everything you've said. Let me run it down with you: 1) No school will be REQUIRED to teach it. Not only do schools not HAVE to teach it, the ones that elect to do so will teach tolerance, not "butt sex." But I think you know that and are just being a smart-ass. 2) Homosexuality is more likely genetic than behavioral. Look it up. 3) The kids of gays are actually VERY well-adjusted. Look that up too. 4) You're only slightly more tolerant than Hitler.

[GorillaSaint]

uuum i havnt found anything that has said homosexuality is genetic. It all says environmental, and pyschological. If you could tell me the base pair sequence of nucleotides that codes for "homosexuality" i might believe you. "100% wrong" ..???

[robbjmc]

Did you, by any chance, google the words...oh, I dunno, "homosexuality genetic"? I can't give you nucleotides (and who can at this point), but I do know that studies have been done that show conclusively that there are physical differences between gays and straights and others that show increasing evidence that it's genetic. And I did say "100% wrong about almost everything," which, I concede probably means about 85% - 90% wrong about everything. Is that better? :) Vote no on...oh. Never mind.

[mdo252977]

Really people! are we really trying to upset GOD? remember he created ADAM & EVE...Not Adam & Steve.. YES on 8.....

[robbjmc]

Actually, he did create Adam and Steve. He created all of us. And then said "come as you are" (not come as mdo252977 wishes you would be). If God were actually going to get "upset" over something, wouldn't it be that some in this world are trying to rule over everyone else and using His name to impose their narrow world view?

[justathought3]

Yes on 8! for KIDS!

Its only been a few months and they are already at it:

Think they won't get in your face.....think again.

google search this:

"School holds surprise 'Gay' Day for kindergartners Parents outraged at public elementary's secretive 'coming out' event."

This is precisely why we need to PASS PROP 8!

[robbjmc]

Did you know that the parents of those kids signed consent forms so that their kids could go to their teacher's wedding? And that two parents opted out without any problems? Did you know that the parents are now furious at the Yes-on-h8 campaign for using their kids in that ad and adding scary music underneath? And that they are considering suing? Knowing that, tell me who's really "at it again." The religious right will stop at nothing to achieve their fascist viewpoint. Please say NO TO 8!

[robbjmc]

Look it up -- it's all true. The Yes-on-8 campaign is lying -- LYING! -- to achieve their goal. Guess those "morals" can be thrown out the window if their goal of making everyone be the same and worship the same is endangered. Google this: OUTRAGED PARENTS 8 and you'll see that the bigots don't really care about what's right...just about winning.

[danny458]

I'm Voting No on 8. Nice Job guys

[simonhuddersfield]

I would vote NO just 'cos I like you two.

Shouldn't have kicked the Brits out !! We would have looked after you ALL. xxx

Simon The Brit..

ps. Good luck

[PapaRoachGirl13]

no on prop 8

[VronRN2]

Excellent! Well said!

No on Prop. 8!

[rodgierad]

Well put guys...we're all hanging in there.