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  • you said earlier you dont trust any historical "facts." So why do you trust that certain professing christians were murderers?

  • watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&

  • the pope is not the bible...

    are you going to condemn german people just because Hitler was a german...thats retarded...

    You ignore the doctrine of the Bible and the unrivaled accomplishments of Christianity

    Instead you focus on those select few who went by the name of "Christian."

    You seem to ignore those people in history who held similar beliefs to yourself and committed more horrible crimes than professing Christians ever did (such as the Cult of reason in France)

    hypocricy

  • freedom is evil...people have been killed in its name...

    anit-racism is evil...people have been killed in its name...

  • Let history speak for itself. You are mad.

    What makes you think that I am an Atheist? I sympathize with humanitarian morals, wisdom and true enlightenment. You seek truth where none are to be found and I pity you.

  • I assumed you were an atheist due to your contempt for the "idea" of God. Aren't you?

    "Let history speak for itself"

    Yes let it speak, "His Story"...ha ha...

    I've provided plenty of examples from history to support my position.

  • the pope is not the bible...

    are you going to condemn german people just because Hitler was a german...thats retarded...

    You ignore the doctrine of the Bible and the unrivaled accomplishments of Christianity

    Instead you focus on those select few who went by the name of "Christian."

    You seem to ignore those people in history who held similar beliefs to yourself and committed more horrible crimes than professing Christians ever did (such as the Cult of reason in France)

    hypocricy

  • false accusations?

  • when have i ever advocated stoning for not going to church????????? lol...

    the bible has never advocated killing because of someone's religion...

    killing is fine in the DEFENSE of your religion...

    we kill in the name of freedom...that wrong?

  • You show great lack of historical knowledge. How did Christianity spread in Europe again? You think is was some priest peacefully wandering about and converting country after country?

    No, it was forced upon with WAR. Millions of people died trying to DEFEND their true origins and beliefs. Christianity is the most military offensive religion to plague humanity ever, and yet again... more people have been killed in the name of God then for any other reason.

    You truly are a mislead moron.

  • christianity was not a religion of the sword...it is nowhere preached of such by jesus or any of his apostles...

    monks weren't warriors...Christians preserved tons of literature and culture that would have been destroyed by the barbarians...

    You atheists wouldnt be able to receieve the education you do if it werent for the chrstians.

    ungrateful

  • You are still rambling?

    "the bible has never advocated killing because of someone's religion..."

    The Pope would disagree, considering the countless of anti-pagan crusades threw history requested by him. For example the Teutonic Order (Ordo domus Sancte Marie Theutonicorum Ierosolimitanorum) who declared war on Lithuania for their pagan religion alone.

    Your are not a little incorrect in your slandish statements. You are way over your head.

  • yeah atheism calls for the killing of children even before they are born...

    and even if the abortion fails...they say we can still kill the baby...scum of the earth...

    as i see it...what kind of scum is going to curse the people who are raising you?

  • Now you are making false accusations as well. How very Christian.

    I suppose I should commend you for being sincere. You truly are mad, and your religion fits our personality you perfectly. You might be a good preacher some day. Hopefully without followers.

  • Whoops shit happens when you type away too fast. I bet you get the point anyway. Bye for now.

  • "Whoops shit happens when you type away too fast. I bet you get the point anyway. Bye for now."

    Congradulations you can curse...yeah i wanna be an atheist...i see your contribution to the world

  • atheists have "healthy moral standards."

    I suppose you are talking about stalin's murder of millions, the french revolution atheists killing thousands just because they were french royalty or religious, or the current oppresion and torture of thousands in atheist countries like china and north korea...o i see

  • What about human sacrifice? Torture to death for your beliefs only? Crucifixions? What about billions of people suffering and dying in relentless wars such as the seven hundred year war for the "holy" lands? The list is still growing.

    "More people have been killed in the name of God then for any other reason".

  • well lets see...makes sense that many people will die for the most important issue in the world...

    Many people have died in the name of freedom...

    Does that mean freedom is wrong?

    Foolish pathetic argument

  • Thank you for proving me right. You just justified killing in the name of religion. What makes you better then Stalin?

    Religion is indeed an unhealthy irrational view of reality. I would go as far as claiming it to be "insanity". You should get some professional help before you start stoning kids in your neighborhood because they don't go to church every Sunday.

  • "A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God -- more or less -- based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday." -LiveScience-

  • "No matter the field of expertise, anyone could be potentially religious"

    but you also said-

    "That is the difference from intellectuals who do real research for the betterment of mankind, and from you people who only read the Bible and claiming to know the truth."

    Contadict yourself...

    The best scientists in the world have been those who read their Bible and studied science...psh

    stop following your silly atheist agenda...

    you are blind in your disbelief

  • Stupid assinuation. A normal person understand that I speak of scientists in general. If one is delusional, it does not mean all of them are. Fucking moron.

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  • you gonna say those great SCIENTISTS weren't intellectual...

    AND most of them were modern...long after the rise of atheistic skeptics...

    what did the skeptics produce?...no great scientists...

    why?

    Oh, I'm sorry they did produce the French Revolution...hmph

  • No matter the field of expertise, anyone could be potentially religious. Modern scientists and archeologists however are rarely Christians however, for a good reason. Maybe spiritual, but that is something completely different.

  • many of the scientists i named lived in the 19th century...

    besides it was Christianity that encouraged them to do their research because they wanted to learn about god's creation...

    They laid the foundation for modern science...

    Many of the things atheists take for granted were advanced by these Christian men...

    Actually msot scientists believe in a God.  More and more are seeing how foolish atheism is.

    Look up Laminin on youtube

  • Atheists are humanists with healthy moral standards. Moderns scientists have progressed beyond religion, thus making it obsolete.

    You are preaching inhuman moral standards. The Bible suggest you should murder rebellious children by slow and painful means to purge evil amongst you. Atheists consider this absurd and immoral, but you do not.

    You are a hypocrite for you preach the Bible but you do not live by it's word.

  • stoning was necessary because of the horrible sins of the people...the means of punishment was harsh at the time just like atheists hung people during the french revolution.

    With Christ's death on the cross punishments became less harsh...

    As atheists you have no basis for your moral standard.

    Since all humans are equal then all humans moral ideals are equal...faulty foundation

  • "stoning was necessary"

    Stoning of children was necessary? Ok, I underestimated you. You really are a Christian.

    Let's hope you never have children, ever.

    Scum of the earth.

  • "- Charles Bukowski"

    Impressive...too bad he was a drunk poet...hey maybe next time you can quote a rapist or child molester? Just a thought

  • You are a moron. Maybe you should do everybody a big favor and just STFU.

  • Sure;

    Deuteronomy 22:

    23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

    24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and "stone them to death" —the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

    Hear that? You MUST purge the evil from among you. STONE THE GIRL TO DEATH!

  • so what do we do with drug dealers?

  • if I know the truth about the most important event in the world, I'm sure as well not going to keep it silent.

  • "I believe in Christianity as I believe that

    the sun has risen: not only because I see it,

    but because by it I see everything else."

    - C. S. Lewis

    I'm not blind and arrogant enough to put myself above history...

  • beware the preachers, beware the knowers

    those who preach god, need god

    those who preach peace do not have peace

    not being able to love fully

    they will believe your love incomplete

    and then they will hate you

    and their hatred will be perfect

    like a shining diamond, like a knife

    their finest art

    - Charles Bukowski

  • It's ironical how Muslims are better defenders of the Christian fate, then it's own followers. Although I'm not a Muslim, this guy is really onto something regarding the infiltration of religion. It's not hard to understand why that is, because religion was the main source for power before the era of politics and corporations.

    Enjoy:

    watch?v=GSy7fRRT9C0

  • Oh and he's not hiding from the majority of humanity...

    Jesus is a hot topic around the world...and billions of people have followed him...

    rather supernatural for some "obvious" nobody fake magican

  • Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion (300 A.D.) and is undoubtedly the main reason to why the Judeo-Christian fate spread like a disease in Europe. It's a corrupt religion forged to control and divide. By suppressing peoples true spiritual development as human beings and relieving them from responsibility of their own fate, the people became subject to manipulation. Clearly, it have served it's purpose well. The Empire still exists today, it only changed venues.

  • Before the time of Constantine, Christianity was spread over the Roman Empire...It had become such a driving force in the empire, the emperor himself chose it...

    every other sect that was not in line with the Roman gods were persecuted. Yet this "sect" began by a handful of nobody jewish fishermen and a rejected Sanhedrin member "conquered" the Roman empire and the emperor himself without the sword, and they were just another religion?

    Miraculous might we say?

  • as for philo...he was actually a philosopher...not a historian...

    he was concerned with jewish philosophy not documenting some "sectarian's" exploits...

  • josephus was a contemporary of christ;s time

  • oh and by the way the jewish historian, Jospehus mentions Christ...including all the books of the new testament...which are the most historically accurate of their time...

  • Oh by the way you are full of crap. Josephus have been proved a forgery for hundreds of years. I find the account of Philo and the lack of Jesus being mentioned in his great work to be more convincing. I bet if someone actually did performed the wealth of miracles acclaimed to him, he would have been noticed. He is still pretty good at hiding from the majority of humanity even today. Could it be that Jesus don't give a shit about what people are supposed to belive? The truth is obvious.

  • correction...

    actually, only part of it is considered a forgery my most scholars(the part attesting to jesus' messiahship). The rest of the mention is considered historical as it appears in all the manuscripts of Jospehus' writings...There is also an undisputed mention of jesus as the brother of james...

    There is no reason to doubt the historicity of the text based on testing methods...

    I see you conveniently avoided the question about alexander?

  • It other words, only the parts that have been proven a forgery is accepted as such. The rest could be just as misleading.

    Why bother replying on offtopic questions leading astray.

  • Certain parts are widely "considered" forgeries even though the manuscript authority indicates otherwise...yet the other parts have never been disproven. Why not believe it?

    Once again you have avoided the Alexander question?

    One of your objections to christ was the lack of contemporary historical information from his enemies...the same is true of alexander...

    why believe any of the events surrounding alexander?

    if you don't answer for the third time...ill assume you cant...

  • You obviously have a hard time understanding.

    I don't trust any historical facts as they can be manipulated and changed over time. You should have learned that back in school. Just like how the second world war are still glorified by the U.S. while at the same time they financed Hitlers rise to power. You are being played, and all the world is a stage. The religious institution is at the bottom of the dirt.

  • easy huh? you just dismiss history. Now you dont have to answer any questions.

    Since you say you cant trust any historical fact...how can you make the claim we financed Hitler? you base this statement on your reading of historical facts...

    hypocricy!

  • Prescott Bush (great-grandfather of George W. Bush) was, as of 1941, a director of the UBC with one share. Look up Union Banking Corporation. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave laborers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

    (SOURCE:Guardian, Sept.25 2004)

  • You appeal to historical facts, which you say you dont trust...

    lol...ill say it again...hypocricy...

  • Call it what every you want, it is still better then blind submission. No man can claim to know history for actual truth!

    Who is the real hypocrites? The one claiming to know the only possible truth, or the one with an open mind and capable of critical thinking?

    You are a sheep, and I pray you will live long enough to realize it.

    "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance"

    - A. Einstein

  • "Who is the real hypocrites? The one claiming to know the only possible truth, or the one with an open mind and capable of critical thinking?"

    So if a scientific expert discovers that the earth free floats in space and he knows this to be true, he should jsut keep his mouth shut because who is he to claim to know the truth????????????

  • Show me the scientist claiming his theories to be truth. That is the difference from intellectuals who do real research for the betterment of mankind, and from you people who only read the Bible and claiming to know the truth. It doesn't take a genius to read a book.

  • "Show me the scientist claiming his theories to be truth. That is the difference from intellectuals who do real research for the betterment of mankind, and from you people who only read the Bible and claiming to know the truth. It doesn't take a genius to read a book."

    Actually many of the scientists who spawned the new learning after the Middle Ages were Christians:

    Newton, Galileo, Maxwell, Copernicus, Bacon, Boyle, Pasteur, Pascal, Faraday...to name a few...all devout Chrsitians...cont

  • And? How is this related to modern science or my question for that matter?

  • You are all hypocrites for you preach the Bible but you do not live by it. If you did, you would all be judged by modern moral standards. May it be sexual harassment or murder, you would be no better then a serial killer striving to purge evil amongst you by doing Gods work. The true interpreters of the Bible.

  • I'm not comparing your head to a but plug, but it does seem to spend a lot of time up your as.

  • no matter how foolish and pathetic an atheist's argument is, I can be almost sure his language will be even more pathetic...

  • oh...by the way, no contemporary historian of alexander the great's time mentions him...

    Do you believe he was a real person and did the spectacular deeds atributed to him (i.e. defeat the greatest empire in the world with a puny army of 35,000 against two great armies 1 of which was over a million)

  • Maybe you should fear the message in the Bible instead of praising it.

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 King James Version

    18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

  • The Ten Commandments also originated from ancient Egyptian religion. The Jews borrowed the concept after their Exodus from Egypt. Chapter 125 of the [Egyptian] Book of the Dead (a.k.a. the Papyrus of Ani) includes a list of things to which a man must swear in order to enter the afterlife. These sworn statements bear a remarkable resemblance to the Ten Commandments in their nature and their phrasing.

  • Astrology and sun worship is the oldest form of religion known to man. The Zodiac being the oldest man made picture ever found. The cross of the Zodiac was not just an artistic expression or tool to track the Sun's movements. It was also a Pagan spiritual symbol, and the shorthand version of which is the cross you pray upon. It is not a symbol of Christianity. It is a Pagan adaptation of the cross of the Zodiac.

  • I choose to belive scientific knowledge from our own time, instead of a two thousand year old myth based on mistranslated writings in Hebrew.

    The world was not created in 6 days. Earth is not 12.000 years old. Earth is 4.5 billion years old and 60 million year old dinosaur fossils actually exist.

    Think about it.

  • There are numerous historians who lived during the assumed life of Jesus. How many of them document this figure?

    Not one.

    You would think that a guy who rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven would have made it into the historical record.

    Philo (20 BC - 50 AD) lived in Jerusalem during the era of Christ. He wrote a reputable history of the Jews in his time but makes not a single reference to Jesus in any way. This is striking evidence of Jesus Christ's conjured mythological nature.

  • Wrong. There are hundreds of historical writings of Jesus, along with over 22,000 original new testament manuscripts from the time of Jesus, all found completely intact.

  • Can yuo provide references to that?

  • are these the same as the ica stones?

  • Wrong. Fictional writing such as the Bible does not count as historical facts. Maybe you should name one real person that testify of Jesus existence. Nonetheless it won't change the fact that he is a mythical figure inspired by many deities around the Mediterranean such as Mithra and Dionysus. He was most certainly not the first solar messiah inspired by ancient sun worshipping. Maybe you should do some research on the Zodiac.

  • first of all, at the time jesus lived, Christianity was viewed by the romans as just another jewish sect, not important enough to be recorded...

    however, Luke, author of the gospel that bears his name, is regarded as one of the greatest historians of his time...no historical or archeological find has ever contradicted him...in fact, his writings are in perfect accordance with history...moreover, they bear the mark of true history, not make-believe myth like every other mythology...

  • That was real interesting.

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