terminators are wicked ass cars....and 000x7< 515 hp is flywheel right? My friends Cam and head Cost him $900 for the heads ls6 that were shaven off and a torquer v3 cam he put down 467 rwhp. Runs low 11's
Trans am black bird rapes ALL the mustangs;D 510 hp stock 520 tq;) 2002 trans am black bird stage 5 puts that down. WITHOUT a supercharger:) slobras need superchargers:/
@000x7 Blackbirds are 380hp not 510 and they did not make a 'Stage 5'.
An 03-04 Cobra is forged internals, underrated at 390hp (found later to be ~430hp), and for $600 you can pulley/CAI/tune it and bump it to 530hp at the crank. The stock engine can handle 1000hp, proven.
The kits for your Trans Ams cost $3,200 to get you up to 515hp, which is at your engine's breaking point. You'll need to get forged internals to run over 500 - break out the wallet -
Hell the new Camaros aren't shit...They are heavier. Fastest I've seen stock was 13.8 Fastest Ls1 I've seen was a 12.79 stock. Mine was running 13.00 stock If i was to put an ls3 in mine I would hit low high 11s
@Mr02Ws6TA Have you even watched the video reviews of the new Camaro? The average is a 13.0 1/4 mile, I have seen one on a video review doing a 12.9 second 1/4 mile where all the LS1's got about 13.5 or so.
With a good driver the LS1 can break into the high 12's. With a good driver the LS3 Can break into the mid 12's. It's a larger engine that makes more power, it's better than the LS1.
@Quatermain98526 Yeah I know its a better engine. Where I'm at they are sucking it. Ls1 is still keeping up. Power to weight suck for the new Camaro and also IRS sucks it needs to be upgraded
@IDontHateOnCars New Camaro Suck nuts...motor is good just the set up sucks. They Can't even leave off the line like it is suppose to. In person I have only seen them run mid 14's
@Mr02Ws6TA I'm not doubting a horrible pass like that ive seen them myself, but the 2010 ss will get an easy 13.2 with a driver that knows what they are doing. That was a car and driver time so an actual drag racer can always do better. Any car can be faster than what a tv show says ,in different hands. New camaro sucks nuts is only opinion wise and I hear many other people say the same, I wouldn't buy one myself but I can't say anything like that, I look at cars a different way.
Nope, they are just as slow as every other ford. If you have to add a supercharger to win, and still cant, then im pretty sure you could classify them as slow. :)
@purpleWS6ls1 that's funny because a 2001 Cobra which is naturally aspirated (320hp) has the same 0-60 (4.7) and 1/4 mile (13.4) times as the new camaro (425hp) and let's see 4.6 liters of displacement vs 6.2. Man really AMAZING. Funny because that's the same times as your 5.7 ws6 too LOL. Stock for stock your still not beating any Cobra's with your Camaro's and Trans ams the only one I will give props STOCK are 06 and up ZO6 Vettes but year for year do the comparisons its not that hard...
This ws6 has a vengeance vindicator cam in it. It's probably the highest horsepower cam only car you'll see. 440 rwhp is plenty to smoke a pullied cobra that's obviously getting belt slip.
The terminater is a respectable car performance wise.. I've messed around with a couple in my Ls1 trans am.. I just perfer the look and sound of the Fbodies.. Plus mustangs are way to common for me.. You can't go one day without seeing hundreds of mustangs on the road..
@20svtcobra04 what?? no way, ha, i lived all over the metro area and i coulda swore it was mustangs of every kind everywhere i looked. Im higher north now and its still the same. Theres like one other fbody around besides me.... i need to go back to omaha/lincoln i guess
What is up with that first race? That WS6 ran by him like he was tied to a stump. Spray much? There's no cam only LS1 that's going to run past a pullied Cobra like that without something else..
@Lawgiver45 Bullshit dude! WS.6 has different heads than a regular camaro LS1. The heads that come from the factory on a WS.6 practically make it a LS6. A stock WS.6 T/A will beat a stock SS(LS1) Camaro. And since a Stock SS Camaro will beat a Stock Terminator Cobra, what do you think the cammed WS.6 is going to do?? It's going to beat the Cobra more than the camaro. Know what you are talking about before you start talking crap!
Dude, you are ate up fanboy.. The only thing the WS6 has that the SS doesn't is the LS6 intake and a better clutch.. Show me one article or forum thread that says the heads are from an LS6?
Secondly, there is no stock SS or WS6 that will smoke a stock Cobra.. I have personally in my very own stock 04 Cobra wasted intake/exhaust LS1 Camaro's so you can take that fanboy crap and cram it up your ass..
@Lawgiver45 Well then we can agree to disagree b/c I have personally beaten a Stock 03 Cobra in my very own 01 SS when it was stock! I beat him by one length on the street and half a length at our local track! I have personally run a 12.61 in my 100% Stock SS on DRs at a track! Now I have a mild Cam, intake, exhaust, a mild tune, Stock bottom end, and stock drive train, and I run low 11s. And that's with two 12" subs in the back and full interior on Daily driver drag radials.
@AdrenalineJunky17 What the fuck are you talking about, half wit??? Neither a stock SS nor a stock WS6 will beat a stock Terminator Cobra. You're the one that needs to know what you're talking about before talking crab, you're making an idiot out of yourself fanboy.
@trevinboy Ummm... LS3?? GTOs don't have LS3s genius. They have LS2 6.0L and the LS1 5.7 buddy. The Quickest stock SS Camaro E/T that I have personally seen was a 12.68 on street tires. And it was bone stock down to the paper filter. If he had Drag Radial on that thing I'm pretty sure he would have hit low 12s! My best E/T when mine was stock was a 12.92 on street tires. Now I have exhaust and a short throw but I haven't had the chance to run it again.
@trevinboy The biggest thing is that alot of people won't put drag radials on a stock 4th Gen Camaro b/c the rear ends really suck when it comes to that! They just don't like D/Rs. so then people get M9s and 12 bolts but then it's not a stock camaro! (shrug).
@trevinboy Here where I live a Bone Stock Cobra runs high 12s to low 13s on street tires(depending on the driver) and on Drag Radials mid to high 12s depending on the driver.
Stock For Stock, a Terminator is quicker than ANY F-Body LS1 or LT1. Cobra runs high 12's stock, F-body's low 13's.
It's Power-to-weight, people.
Terminator is 390hp/390ft.lbs., 3500lbs.
F-Body is 345hp/360ft.lbs., 3400lbs.
I personally would rather have an F-Body with mods than an already supercharged Snake, but both are bad ass cars, but there is no replacement for displacement, and the 5.7 LS1 is a great engine to modify.
@IDontHateOnCars Not a chance. The 03-04 Cobra's were underrated at 390hp, which was more like 430hp. I'm not sure you'll ever see a stock Termi running around, good luck beating them in a straight line.
@12midgets I'm aware of there official 430 hp. There is actually a zinc yellow 03 in this area. A friend of mine has a 02 camaro ss its a automatic making 380 rwhp and he beats that cobra which dynos nearly the same power. Some of the camaros got down to 3300+ lbs , every cobra weighed over 3600. Is not hard to beat terminators in a race , they will either have 100+ rwhp more than who there racing or they will have less, and there are plenty of videos of camaros beating these cobras.
i need some opinions if i was to get either car witch would be the better choice to buy, an 03, 04 terminater....or a ws6, i wanna v8 so give me ur opinions on whats better
I was in the same situation on whether to get an 03 cobra or an 05 gto. I went with the Cobra due to my friend's advice because he works in a race shop that modifies all makes and models. His claim was the Cobra engine can be built easily to 600-1000 horsepower without changing some internal components. Essentially my shopping list includes $3,500 Kenne Bell S/C, some smaller pullies, and drag radials.
honestly im not gonna b biased butim a die hard ws6 guy but the 03 04 era cobra is really fast but with minimal bolt ons a trans am will rape 1 easily because that supercharger isnt all that mustang fan boys think it is.. the ws6 is already fast on motor so just like in the vid with a few cam and engine mods you can destroy 1.. becuz cam timing does alot for horsepower and torque wich means high speed and quick excelaration
Cobra if you can afford it. They run mid 12's stock and with 4 simple mods you can run mid 11's all day trapping 119-120. 2.8 upper pulley, intake, exhaust and tune. Thats it. Go out and have fun!!
Yea but the zr1 costs over 100k, where as the the shelby is less than half that (putting it w/base vette competition) and the 03-04 was like 35k. Did u ever think that Ford is smarter and creates cars that can actually sell, where as GM goes all out on performance and ends up losing the market game..hmm I wonder if that's why they're bankrupt and Ford is not? Do you watch the news? The gov't IS steppin in, GM is bankrupt and has no choice. And BS, I have yet to see a '10 SS hit 13.3 or better.
Yea prob because they have 69 c.i. less. Kudos to GM for capitalizing on Fords design and building 1 generation (soon to be followed by a lifetime of nothing but the corvette after gov't steps in) of a powerful car...even tho they have weak ass 10 bolts and a4's, crap headlight assemblies in the t/a, & in 9 years youd think they could've designed a power window system that actually worked huh? But I guess not. And did u see a 96-01 cobra or somethin cuz what do they have to do w/this vid anyway?
its not my fault that ford dosen't build bigger engines, but ud think with a blower on it, it would do better than that. GM showed ford what a blower can really do to a motor with the zr1. ford put a blower on the shelby with the 5.4 with 500hp and it still lost to a BASE ls2 vette with 100 less hp lol. why would the govt step in and tell GM to stop making Camaros..maybe cuz its what all you mustang fags are hoping for so you stop getting beat. btw '10 SS runs 13 flat in the 1/4 @111 stock.
03 cobra is what 6 years older and does 12's stock... whats your point? that means the new ss is 1 second slower in the 1/4 thats an assload of car lengths lol
point is 96-02 cobras were raped by T/As and Camaros. and even with the blower in 03-4 could only muster less than a second better in the 1/4 stock for stock. what a shame...
Oh u mean my 12sec n/a mustang with less than 7k invested & my 631 rwtq dodge tow rig? Lol pretend gauges, unlike u I dont have that ricer mentality & only hookup necessary parts. How's that hi-flo throttle blade treatin u? CRAZY POWER I bet lulz! And u may want to try & re-read (if u can read) those dodge comments queer. Lol my stang takes almost a full second from the $35k '10 ss camaro, sad really. And oh hey u forgot to attempt & make fun of my low 11sec streetbike. Face it faggot u cant win
lol nesessary parts- if they were so necessary, y didn't it come like that from the factory? y would it? because you modded a truck too..ur the same type of dude u talked about earlier with the exagerated claims..and about that stang, I can wait in a parking lot too until the owner of a car comes out to start it and film the exhaust and say its mine.if its so badass lets see a vid of it at the track...run it against a new SS..I would love to see that....lying douchebag..ford sucks
Yea cuz I modded a truck that can ACTUALLY make power lol. When u add more fuel & air u run higher boost and hotter egts; ergo the need for gauges. Umm does it look like Im in a parking lot? Thats my yard dipshit. New SS run mid 13s, thats not fast nor impressive. Ive been to the track enough times to kno my car can consistently hit mid 12s. How many times have u been to the track or even driven a car w/over 200hp for that matter? Do some research an h/c/i 5.0 with gears and dr's hits 12s easily
you're the one who wasted his money on a 5.slow. bet your cummins dodge with the cute little pretend guage pods or modded pustang couldn't even hang with the v6 version of the new Camaro. I wonder why you disabled the ratings on ur dodge vid? you must have started to hate all those 5-star ratings huh? even dodge owners laughed at it. lol point is 96-02 cobras were raped by T/As and Camaros. and even with the blower in 03-4 could only muster less than a second better in the 1/4 stock for stock.
Again, y would I care which car wins? Ur internet racer attitude is the problem not the vid. Lol "and a guy who drives a minitruck", I like how even u realize & accept that ur ride is pathetic. And wtf are u on "cant hold a candle to" Stock for stock 03 cobras own fbods. Ure failing to see the point here; much like uve failed at building a sweet ride & from what I can see pretty much just failed at life. Ur whole defense rests on the fact "GM big dogs" MUST mod their cars to beat STOCK 03 cobras
if you read my 1st comment you'd know that was no shit talking, but simply fact. never did I say my ride could spank either of these cars, or that it was 'superior' than the other. but i know where you're coming from...I'd be pissed too if i bought a purpose built factory car that's supposed to run with the GM big dogs and couldn't hold a candle to either. and then to have a guy who drives a minitruck come along and slap u in the face with the truth...yeah that must hurt...you can go cry now.
aren't these little pony ford pussies good at the trick of misdirection? 12vcummins got mad cause the "slowbra" got beat in this vid so he changed the attention to my ride and started with the personal attacks, typical sign of weakness and shame from getting his ass beat by Fcars. not to mention him copying my comment format. watch this vid again and apologize to the pustang in your driveway for embarassing it and yourself whenever you meet up with an fbody.
Hey fag I could care less which car wins..why would I? Its the fact that ur gay sonoma drivin ass comes in here talkin shit when either of these cars would put 5 seconds + on u at the strip. Where do u get off puttin down an 03 cobra when its superior to ur heap of shit in every aspect? I dont need to make fun of ur truck...it makes fun of itself and the fact that u're even attempting to mod it makes u unbelievably gay. Its a fuckin mini truck, nothing more...not a hot rod, not a racer, nothing.
LMAO. All these ford fags have to cling to is a supercharged car that was made for 2 years,03-04 that could barely beat a N/A F-car. The guy below me says to disregard the 'tiny supercharger', HA! The point is ford HAD to put a supercharger on it 'cause the 96-01 "slowbras" with 305-320 supposed HP (the same as ws6/ss) were getting raped on the street...by a HEAVIER car. BTW the T/A in this vid hit his brakes at the track so ur supercobra could catch up. Get real.
Are u fuckin retarded? U realize GM fans are all gonna have to "cling" to their f-bodies bc theyll never even be made again. Why would Ford "have" to put a s/c on the 03-04 cobra? Was it bc the 03-04 fbody was too damn fast? Ooh wait there was no 03-04 fbody...HA! Ppl BS abt their cars all the time. Yea its stock with a cam only..and slicks..and gears...and a diff..and a 150 shot and..get my point? Btw how does ur sweet sonoma stack up to these cars? Looks like ur making some killer power...lulz
No ur the retard, want proof, keep reading....pfff another ford fag! Look I know ur still butthurt about all those camaros and firebirds you lost to..but Chevy's 2010 Camaro IS an Fbody so they are being made...I would way rather drive my awesome sonoma ,that only has 10 HP less than a 99 GT (from a v6)haha, than push anything fuckin ford has to offer.....Remember kids........ FORD stands for For Only Retarded Drivers, Don't believe me?.... read 12vCummins comment....
GM is bankrupt and w/the gov't in control u honestly think theyre goin to continue to make muscle cars? Cmon. You're clearly the retard. Want proof? Go look in the driveway at your sonoma that youre intentionally trying mod. Yea yea, 10hp less than a GT, prob runs 11's in 1/4 too right? And you get pussy on a regular basis blah blah blah. Anymore lies you care to tell us? Remember kids..GMC stands for Gay Mans Chevy, dont believe me? Just look at 1981qrycher and his ride!
LOL would you GM fanboys shut up about the damn tiny eaton s/c at 8psi! holy christ you act like its a whipple pushing 18psi! its a god damn 281 ci DOHC motor with a tiny ass unefficient s/c that still lays down 364 rwhp in 100% stock trim. Get over it already, stock for stock terminators kick F bodys ass. Other cobras (96-01) are a drivers race but the edge goes to the F bodys for those years. just stating facts!
never ben a fan of the track it dnt mean shit 2 me from a roll ant no excuses on the street is where it counts 50 2 130 is a race u run 11s 8s so what on the street tme means nothing eany thing can happen
I dont know why everyone is gettin all pissy about this video the Cobra was fairly stock when the video was made. When he got rid of the car it had over 500 to the wheels.. The 2 guys are friends and just messing around. If he wanted to blow the Firebird away, he would have brought out his Turbo Stang that has done 7.90s on drag radials and won the True Street event at ATCO raceway last year
get along ppl stop with this gm vs ford crap lol mustangs are made for daily drivers but they can be made fast as hell while camaros and trans ams were are made for the track cuz they are fast from the factory but they have problems thats why they never sold like mustangs they have uncomfortable seats, bad visibility, window motors go out like no tommorow and that stupid hump on the passenger side which will leave u with no one wanting to sit there.
I had a Firebird with 170000 miles, never replaced the window motor, the seats were comfortable, even the back seats with the fronts all the way scooted up, The visibility isnt bad either, well i didnt mind it. It was a 94. I like the new stangs though. they look pretty cool, and sound amazing.
well theyre pieces of shit whats a stang? im sorry but i believe that "Piece of shit" firebird beat your precious SVT..oh and without a supercharger?? Damn..
Does it have a s/c on it now? then who cares what it would do ? Add more cubes to the cobra then if you want to make it fair...they had what they had and the t/a lost .....
I dont care how many "cubes" it has. The original point was that the mustang has to have a s/c to keep up (the s/c would make up for more than a 1.1l difference). and in the first race. the Mustang lost. Give it a 350. It'd probably still lose. It also depends on the driver. Obviously, as the TA won the first race, and BARELY lost the second. i bet you 2 out of 3 that firebird would win.
Well then i dont care that it has the S/C . If the original point was the mustang needed a supercharger then it could be said the t/a needs more cubes ..it could be argued either way . And i love how everyone says oo they need a supercharger but now the vette has one so does that mean the ZR1 is shit cause it has a s/c on it?
that cobra uses a supercharger in the same way LS series motors use cubes. its MUCH cheaper to go NA on any LS series engine in the same way its MUCH cheaper to go FI on a ford modular. OHC engines don't have the cube advantage of GM's OHV engines. the most you can safely stroke a modular is to about 302ci or 5L where a typical LS1 goes from a 346 to 408 easily. we need to get on the same team and keep putting imports in their place...behind American muscle!
Its not considered stroking when you increase displacement, its considered stroking when you increase rod length. When you bore the engine, thats when you increase displacement. So the real question is can a 346 ci LS Chevy with just a bore job beat a blown cobra. If not, then that proves chevy can only beat ford by stroking their engines. But what if you do spend the $5k in stroking a cobra engine, which would be better when everything is equal?
@SHADDYSNIP3R you cant bore a 346 only hone now get a lq9 6.0 with same stroke and cam and it will beat a terminator. Terminators are bad ass but they need a supercharger. My friends procharged ls1 runs 11 flat with 8lbs so gm +1 on simple strong engine.
hahahaha. At putting imports in their place? I've got a 97 Supra TT and I like to run Vipers, and Cobra's, etc... and I have yet to be put in my place. I love domestics by the way! No hater here......much love!
Oh shit my bad I was referring to the first highway pull It seemed like the cobra was in it when the TA topended it but the second race does'nt help that. lol
Although the gears are probably not stock in either car. I love that supercharger wine in the Cobra. The WS6 exhaust sounds better, but I dont like that maroon color.
The Ws6 has a better gear ratio up top...3:42 gears vs the 3:73 gears in the Cobra.Both cars have a 6 speed or at least thats what it sounded like. The WS6 came in an automatic also but not the Cobra. They only come in 6 speed manuals. I remember they did an article on an automatic WS6 vs. a manual WS6, and the auto was a tenth quicker in the 1/4 mile in stock form. I would never buy an auto myself it takes the fun out of the car IMO...lol. Automatics are much better for drag racing though.
Damn man, get to modding that Cobra. I'm trapping 123mph with a 2.8 pulley, off road h, catback, MGW, TB, and CAI. Awesome vid though since I've owned both cars.
Cam only running a 12.36?? Maybe it's a factory freak (LS6 block). Don't you need exhaust to have a bigger cam though... exhaust alone will add alot to that TA
terminators are wicked ass cars....and 000x7< 515 hp is flywheel right? My friends Cam and head Cost him $900 for the heads ls6 that were shaven off and a torquer v3 cam he put down 467 rwhp. Runs low 11's
Mr02Ws6TA 4 weeks ago
terminator is actually 3665 lbs 03-04
The572camaro 1 month ago
Trans am black bird rapes ALL the mustangs;D 510 hp stock 520 tq;) 2002 trans am black bird stage 5 puts that down. WITHOUT a supercharger:) slobras need superchargers:/
000x7 1 month ago
@000x7 Blackbirds are 380hp not 510 and they did not make a 'Stage 5'.
An 03-04 Cobra is forged internals, underrated at 390hp (found later to be ~430hp), and for $600 you can pulley/CAI/tune it and bump it to 530hp at the crank. The stock engine can handle 1000hp, proven.
The kits for your Trans Ams cost $3,200 to get you up to 515hp, which is at your engine's breaking point. You'll need to get forged internals to run over 500 - break out the wallet -
12midgets 1 month ago
NOOOOOOOOOOO I wanted the Trans Am to win =( But dang 12.3 is freakin sweet.
elr456 6 months ago
Hell the new Camaros aren't shit...They are heavier. Fastest I've seen stock was 13.8 Fastest Ls1 I've seen was a 12.79 stock. Mine was running 13.00 stock If i was to put an ls3 in mine I would hit low high 11s
Mr02Ws6TA 6 months ago
@Mr02Ws6TA Have you even watched the video reviews of the new Camaro? The average is a 13.0 1/4 mile, I have seen one on a video review doing a 12.9 second 1/4 mile where all the LS1's got about 13.5 or so.
With a good driver the LS1 can break into the high 12's. With a good driver the LS3 Can break into the mid 12's. It's a larger engine that makes more power, it's better than the LS1.
Quatermain98526 6 months ago
@Quatermain98526 Yeah I know its a better engine. Where I'm at they are sucking it. Ls1 is still keeping up. Power to weight suck for the new Camaro and also IRS sucks it needs to be upgraded
Mr02Ws6TA 6 months ago
@Mr02Ws6TA new camaro is a 13.2 second car
IDontHateOnCars 2 months ago
@IDontHateOnCars Doesn't mean it will get there.
Mr02Ws6TA 4 weeks ago
@Mr02Ws6TA what ?
IDontHateOnCars 4 weeks ago
@IDontHateOnCars New Camaro Suck nuts...motor is good just the set up sucks. They Can't even leave off the line like it is suppose to. In person I have only seen them run mid 14's
Mr02Ws6TA 4 weeks ago
@Mr02Ws6TA I'm not doubting a horrible pass like that ive seen them myself, but the 2010 ss will get an easy 13.2 with a driver that knows what they are doing. That was a car and driver time so an actual drag racer can always do better. Any car can be faster than what a tv show says ,in different hands. New camaro sucks nuts is only opinion wise and I hear many other people say the same, I wouldn't buy one myself but I can't say anything like that, I look at cars a different way.
IDontHateOnCars 4 weeks ago
@Mr02Ws6TA My cousins stock worn out 95 lt1 auto did 14.2 so the driver of that car must have been very in experienced
IDontHateOnCars 4 weeks ago
@CoolLikePeguinNuts
Nope, they are just as slow as every other ford. If you have to add a supercharger to win, and still cant, then im pretty sure you could classify them as slow. :)
purpleWS6ls1 7 months ago
@purpleWS6ls1 that's funny because a 2001 Cobra which is naturally aspirated (320hp) has the same 0-60 (4.7) and 1/4 mile (13.4) times as the new camaro (425hp) and let's see 4.6 liters of displacement vs 6.2. Man really AMAZING. Funny because that's the same times as your 5.7 ws6 too LOL. Stock for stock your still not beating any Cobra's with your Camaro's and Trans ams the only one I will give props STOCK are 06 and up ZO6 Vettes but year for year do the comparisons its not that hard...
Jamison03SVT 1 month ago
Something is up here???? A pullied cobra is a frighteningly fast thing...
CoolLikePenguinNuts 7 months ago
This ws6 has a vengeance vindicator cam in it. It's probably the highest horsepower cam only car you'll see. 440 rwhp is plenty to smoke a pullied cobra that's obviously getting belt slip.
mkvamso 1 year ago
i love my ws6
it doesnt have the plaid "dime a dozen" look the mustang has
my friends all call it my pontiac corvette ;]
TaylorScottTime 1 year ago
@TaylorScottTime Your friends are gay.
FixFalcon 11 months ago
The terminater is a respectable car performance wise.. I've messed around with a couple in my Ls1 trans am.. I just perfer the look and sound of the Fbodies.. Plus mustangs are way to common for me.. You can't go one day without seeing hundreds of mustangs on the road..
boounique3 1 year ago
@boounique3 well thats why i have an 03 cobra-- how many true cobra's do u see out on the road?
cbra66 1 year ago
@boounique3 Come to lincoln, NE. There are plenty of Fbodies here. More camaros than mustangs.
20svtcobra04 1 year ago
@20svtcobra04 lol, yeah probably true, im just happy to see that someone else is from Nebraska, haha, everyone has a Camaro
YOUONLYLIVEONCE08 1 year ago
@20svtcobra04 what?? no way, ha, i lived all over the metro area and i coulda swore it was mustangs of every kind everywhere i looked. Im higher north now and its still the same. Theres like one other fbody around besides me.... i need to go back to omaha/lincoln i guess
DDragonn01 10 months ago
Nice but tha ta has to have sum boost cause it looked like he was brake shifting get get boost back up
josh1548 1 year ago
Why were the TAs brake lights tapped at the beginning of the 1/4 mile run?
ATeamOps0391 1 year ago
What is up with that first race? That WS6 ran by him like he was tied to a stump. Spray much? There's no cam only LS1 that's going to run past a pullied Cobra like that without something else..
Lawgiver45 2 years ago
@Lawgiver45 Bullshit dude! WS.6 has different heads than a regular camaro LS1. The heads that come from the factory on a WS.6 practically make it a LS6. A stock WS.6 T/A will beat a stock SS(LS1) Camaro. And since a Stock SS Camaro will beat a Stock Terminator Cobra, what do you think the cammed WS.6 is going to do?? It's going to beat the Cobra more than the camaro. Know what you are talking about before you start talking crap!
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17
Dude, you are ate up fanboy.. The only thing the WS6 has that the SS doesn't is the LS6 intake and a better clutch.. Show me one article or forum thread that says the heads are from an LS6?
Secondly, there is no stock SS or WS6 that will smoke a stock Cobra.. I have personally in my very own stock 04 Cobra wasted intake/exhaust LS1 Camaro's so you can take that fanboy crap and cram it up your ass..
Lawgiver45 1 year ago
@Lawgiver45 Well then we can agree to disagree b/c I have personally beaten a Stock 03 Cobra in my very own 01 SS when it was stock! I beat him by one length on the street and half a length at our local track! I have personally run a 12.61 in my 100% Stock SS on DRs at a track! Now I have a mild Cam, intake, exhaust, a mild tune, Stock bottom end, and stock drive train, and I run low 11s. And that's with two 12" subs in the back and full interior on Daily driver drag radials.
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 maybe, but equal drivers on both and your ss loses to the Cobra, no ands or buts about it. Proven over and over.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 What the fuck are you talking about, half wit??? Neither a stock SS nor a stock WS6 will beat a stock Terminator Cobra. You're the one that needs to know what you're talking about before talking crab, you're making an idiot out of yourself fanboy.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@trevinboy Ok, What E/T do Stock Terminators run on street tires in the 1/4??
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 They can run anywhere from 12.4 to 12.7. Believe me no stock LS1 SS Camaro or LS3 Goat can handle that.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@trevinboy Ummm... LS3?? GTOs don't have LS3s genius. They have LS2 6.0L and the LS1 5.7 buddy. The Quickest stock SS Camaro E/T that I have personally seen was a 12.68 on street tires. And it was bone stock down to the paper filter. If he had Drag Radial on that thing I'm pretty sure he would have hit low 12s! My best E/T when mine was stock was a 12.92 on street tires. Now I have exhaust and a short throw but I haven't had the chance to run it again.
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@trevinboy The biggest thing is that alot of people won't put drag radials on a stock 4th Gen Camaro b/c the rear ends really suck when it comes to that! They just don't like D/Rs. so then people get M9s and 12 bolts but then it's not a stock camaro! (shrug).
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@trevinboy i have a best of 12.70 in 100 % stock form in my 02 ws6
87outlawchevy 1 year ago
@trevinboy In your world that is
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@trevinboy Here where I live a Bone Stock Cobra runs high 12s to low 13s on street tires(depending on the driver) and on Drag Radials mid to high 12s depending on the driver.
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
Stock For Stock, a Terminator is quicker than ANY F-Body LS1 or LT1. Cobra runs high 12's stock, F-body's low 13's.
It's Power-to-weight, people.
Terminator is 390hp/390ft.lbs., 3500lbs.
F-Body is 345hp/360ft.lbs., 3400lbs.
I personally would rather have an F-Body with mods than an already supercharged Snake, but both are bad ass cars, but there is no replacement for displacement, and the 5.7 LS1 is a great engine to modify.
smtobin67 2 years ago 5
FORD RULES!! SIKE...i have a ws6 and cant wait to start moddin it...<3
mannyman84 2 years ago
@smtobin67 There was a special 2002 model camaro that had 385 hp that would run one of these stock.
IDontHateOnCars 2 months ago
@IDontHateOnCars Not a chance. The 03-04 Cobra's were underrated at 390hp, which was more like 430hp. I'm not sure you'll ever see a stock Termi running around, good luck beating them in a straight line.
12midgets 1 month ago
@12midgets I'm aware of there official 430 hp. There is actually a zinc yellow 03 in this area. A friend of mine has a 02 camaro ss its a automatic making 380 rwhp and he beats that cobra which dynos nearly the same power. Some of the camaros got down to 3300+ lbs , every cobra weighed over 3600. Is not hard to beat terminators in a race , they will either have 100+ rwhp more than who there racing or they will have less, and there are plenty of videos of camaros beating these cobras.
IDontHateOnCars 1 month ago
well isn't that cute
joeislame13 2 years ago
why is the t/a hitting the brakes at 0:20 ??
smtobin67 2 years ago
Because he fells sorry for the cobra he had to let him catch up lmao.
larryadam2 2 years ago
because it was waiting for the cobra...lol
mannyman84 2 years ago
The WS6 is with out a doubt the best muscle car for the price mine has only SLP loudmouth and tune, runs MID 12's a street eating machine.
krav65 2 years ago
from a stock of a 13.6 - 13.8 to mid 12's is good...
smtobin67 2 years ago
13.6?? not even...my stock ws6 hit 13.1
mannyman84 2 years ago
not on street tires, it didn't. unless you had the 380hp version, then I believe it.
my friend's '02 SLP SS did 0-60 in 5.2, 1/4mi in 13.4 stock. A 13.1 was possible with D/R's, but not street tires, no way.
smtobin67 2 years ago
On street tires but hooked really well. New tires and I launched good
mannyman84 2 years ago
yeah in my 02 WS6 is 13.1 and in my intake exhaust 03 cobra is 12.5
kingjoe3883 2 years ago
When I wouldn't grip I would hit 13.3-.4 it just seems faster than other ls1's
mannyman84 2 years ago
@mannyman84 Sounds like you need a Driver Mod. I ran high 12s in my SS Camaro on DRs when it was 100% stock!
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@krav65 Must be one hell of a tune to pick up an entire second down the 1/4
badmunkie513 2 years ago
i need some opinions if i was to get either car witch would be the better choice to buy, an 03, 04 terminater....or a ws6, i wanna v8 so give me ur opinions on whats better
banchee07 2 years ago
I was in the same situation on whether to get an 03 cobra or an 05 gto. I went with the Cobra due to my friend's advice because he works in a race shop that modifies all makes and models. His claim was the Cobra engine can be built easily to 600-1000 horsepower without changing some internal components. Essentially my shopping list includes $3,500 Kenne Bell S/C, some smaller pullies, and drag radials.
knightweiser 2 years ago
honestly im not gonna b biased butim a die hard ws6 guy but the 03 04 era cobra is really fast but with minimal bolt ons a trans am will rape 1 easily because that supercharger isnt all that mustang fan boys think it is.. the ws6 is already fast on motor so just like in the vid with a few cam and engine mods you can destroy 1.. becuz cam timing does alot for horsepower and torque wich means high speed and quick excelaration
dddjjf 2 years ago
Cobra if you can afford it. They run mid 12's stock and with 4 simple mods you can run mid 11's all day trapping 119-120. 2.8 upper pulley, intake, exhaust and tune. Thats it. Go out and have fun!!
MineralGreyCobra 2 years ago
12.36 & 12.21 arn't bad at all. Very close race. Nice vid. Always enjoyed the sound of a supercharger on a V8.
inspector13jjf 2 years ago
Yea but the zr1 costs over 100k, where as the the shelby is less than half that (putting it w/base vette competition) and the 03-04 was like 35k. Did u ever think that Ford is smarter and creates cars that can actually sell, where as GM goes all out on performance and ends up losing the market game..hmm I wonder if that's why they're bankrupt and Ford is not? Do you watch the news? The gov't IS steppin in, GM is bankrupt and has no choice. And BS, I have yet to see a '10 SS hit 13.3 or better.
12vCummins 2 years ago
Yea prob because they have 69 c.i. less. Kudos to GM for capitalizing on Fords design and building 1 generation (soon to be followed by a lifetime of nothing but the corvette after gov't steps in) of a powerful car...even tho they have weak ass 10 bolts and a4's, crap headlight assemblies in the t/a, & in 9 years youd think they could've designed a power window system that actually worked huh? But I guess not. And did u see a 96-01 cobra or somethin cuz what do they have to do w/this vid anyway?
12vCummins 2 years ago
its not my fault that ford dosen't build bigger engines, but ud think with a blower on it, it would do better than that. GM showed ford what a blower can really do to a motor with the zr1. ford put a blower on the shelby with the 5.4 with 500hp and it still lost to a BASE ls2 vette with 100 less hp lol. why would the govt step in and tell GM to stop making Camaros..maybe cuz its what all you mustang fags are hoping for so you stop getting beat. btw '10 SS runs 13 flat in the 1/4 @111 stock.
1981qrycher 2 years ago
03 cobra is what 6 years older and does 12's stock... whats your point? that means the new ss is 1 second slower in the 1/4 thats an assload of car lengths lol
bluecapone 2 years ago 12
You've got to be the dumbest sob out there.
trevinboy 2 years ago
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12vCummins 2 years ago
point is 96-02 cobras were raped by T/As and Camaros. and even with the blower in 03-4 could only muster less than a second better in the 1/4 stock for stock. what a shame...
1981qrycher 2 years ago
Oh u mean my 12sec n/a mustang with less than 7k invested & my 631 rwtq dodge tow rig? Lol pretend gauges, unlike u I dont have that ricer mentality & only hookup necessary parts. How's that hi-flo throttle blade treatin u? CRAZY POWER I bet lulz! And u may want to try & re-read (if u can read) those dodge comments queer. Lol my stang takes almost a full second from the $35k '10 ss camaro, sad really. And oh hey u forgot to attempt & make fun of my low 11sec streetbike. Face it faggot u cant win
12vCummins 2 years ago
lol nesessary parts- if they were so necessary, y didn't it come like that from the factory? y would it? because you modded a truck too..ur the same type of dude u talked about earlier with the exagerated claims..and about that stang, I can wait in a parking lot too until the owner of a car comes out to start it and film the exhaust and say its mine.if its so badass lets see a vid of it at the track...run it against a new SS..I would love to see that....lying douchebag..ford sucks
1981qrycher 2 years ago
Yea cuz I modded a truck that can ACTUALLY make power lol. When u add more fuel & air u run higher boost and hotter egts; ergo the need for gauges. Umm does it look like Im in a parking lot? Thats my yard dipshit. New SS run mid 13s, thats not fast nor impressive. Ive been to the track enough times to kno my car can consistently hit mid 12s. How many times have u been to the track or even driven a car w/over 200hp for that matter? Do some research an h/c/i 5.0 with gears and dr's hits 12s easily
12vCummins 2 years ago
you're the one who wasted his money on a 5.slow. bet your cummins dodge with the cute little pretend guage pods or modded pustang couldn't even hang with the v6 version of the new Camaro. I wonder why you disabled the ratings on ur dodge vid? you must have started to hate all those 5-star ratings huh? even dodge owners laughed at it. lol point is 96-02 cobras were raped by T/As and Camaros. and even with the blower in 03-4 could only muster less than a second better in the 1/4 stock for stock.
1981qrycher 2 years ago
Again, y would I care which car wins? Ur internet racer attitude is the problem not the vid. Lol "and a guy who drives a minitruck", I like how even u realize & accept that ur ride is pathetic. And wtf are u on "cant hold a candle to" Stock for stock 03 cobras own fbods. Ure failing to see the point here; much like uve failed at building a sweet ride & from what I can see pretty much just failed at life. Ur whole defense rests on the fact "GM big dogs" MUST mod their cars to beat STOCK 03 cobras
12vCummins 2 years ago
if you read my 1st comment you'd know that was no shit talking, but simply fact. never did I say my ride could spank either of these cars, or that it was 'superior' than the other. but i know where you're coming from...I'd be pissed too if i bought a purpose built factory car that's supposed to run with the GM big dogs and couldn't hold a candle to either. and then to have a guy who drives a minitruck come along and slap u in the face with the truth...yeah that must hurt...you can go cry now.
1981qrycher 2 years ago
aren't these little pony ford pussies good at the trick of misdirection? 12vcummins got mad cause the "slowbra" got beat in this vid so he changed the attention to my ride and started with the personal attacks, typical sign of weakness and shame from getting his ass beat by Fcars. not to mention him copying my comment format. watch this vid again and apologize to the pustang in your driveway for embarassing it and yourself whenever you meet up with an fbody.
1981qrycher 2 years ago
Hey fag I could care less which car wins..why would I? Its the fact that ur gay sonoma drivin ass comes in here talkin shit when either of these cars would put 5 seconds + on u at the strip. Where do u get off puttin down an 03 cobra when its superior to ur heap of shit in every aspect? I dont need to make fun of ur truck...it makes fun of itself and the fact that u're even attempting to mod it makes u unbelievably gay. Its a fuckin mini truck, nothing more...not a hot rod, not a racer, nothing.
12vCummins 2 years ago
LMAO. All these ford fags have to cling to is a supercharged car that was made for 2 years,03-04 that could barely beat a N/A F-car. The guy below me says to disregard the 'tiny supercharger', HA! The point is ford HAD to put a supercharger on it 'cause the 96-01 "slowbras" with 305-320 supposed HP (the same as ws6/ss) were getting raped on the street...by a HEAVIER car. BTW the T/A in this vid hit his brakes at the track so ur supercobra could catch up. Get real.
1981qrycher 2 years ago
Are u fuckin retarded? U realize GM fans are all gonna have to "cling" to their f-bodies bc theyll never even be made again. Why would Ford "have" to put a s/c on the 03-04 cobra? Was it bc the 03-04 fbody was too damn fast? Ooh wait there was no 03-04 fbody...HA! Ppl BS abt their cars all the time. Yea its stock with a cam only..and slicks..and gears...and a diff..and a 150 shot and..get my point? Btw how does ur sweet sonoma stack up to these cars? Looks like ur making some killer power...lulz
12vCummins 2 years ago 2
No ur the retard, want proof, keep reading....pfff another ford fag! Look I know ur still butthurt about all those camaros and firebirds you lost to..but Chevy's 2010 Camaro IS an Fbody so they are being made...I would way rather drive my awesome sonoma ,that only has 10 HP less than a 99 GT (from a v6)haha, than push anything fuckin ford has to offer.....Remember kids........ FORD stands for For Only Retarded Drivers, Don't believe me?.... read 12vCummins comment....
1981qrycher 2 years ago
GM is bankrupt and w/the gov't in control u honestly think theyre goin to continue to make muscle cars? Cmon. You're clearly the retard. Want proof? Go look in the driveway at your sonoma that youre intentionally trying mod. Yea yea, 10hp less than a GT, prob runs 11's in 1/4 too right? And you get pussy on a regular basis blah blah blah. Anymore lies you care to tell us? Remember kids..GMC stands for Gay Mans Chevy, dont believe me? Just look at 1981qrycher and his ride!
12vCummins 2 years ago 2
LOL would you GM fanboys shut up about the damn tiny eaton s/c at 8psi! holy christ you act like its a whipple pushing 18psi! its a god damn 281 ci DOHC motor with a tiny ass unefficient s/c that still lays down 364 rwhp in 100% stock trim. Get over it already, stock for stock terminators kick F bodys ass. Other cobras (96-01) are a drivers race but the edge goes to the F bodys for those years. just stating facts!
svtcobra1992 2 years ago 3
Sorry but I don't believe a cam only would hang with a properly tuned Terminator with a 2.76 upper in either race.
rybobuno 2 years ago
cam only Ls1's are running mid 11's easily now. My best time cam only was 11.71 @121
347fairless 2 years ago
idk just a cam surely you have exhaust/ headersand lid or something
josh08336 1 year ago
@347fairless its true
DDragonn01 10 months ago
@rybobuno well, it did bitch
SySTeM4T1c 11 months ago
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rybobuno 11 months ago
@SySTeM4T1c That WS6 came from behind like the cobra had the brakes on, don't believe it's cam only
rybobuno 11 months ago
@rybobuno it only did a 12.36, a mild cam cud get an ls1 in those numbers on the track....
SySTeM4T1c 11 months ago
@rybobuno its not very often you see a video lie. just in case you missed it you can rewatch it. go ahead.
TradeMark2003 7 months ago
never ben a fan of the track it dnt mean shit 2 me from a roll ant no excuses on the street is where it counts 50 2 130 is a race u run 11s 8s so what on the street tme means nothing eany thing can happen
cobra2004t 2 years ago
yup anything can happen on the street car wrecks ,get pull over,killed sumbody ,
goyogarcia08 2 years ago
hit the breaks indeed
eelcapitann 2 years ago
12.3 with just a cam? thats a mean ls1
cozzey05 3 years ago
haha! he even hit the brakes
swangdat916 3 years ago
I dont know why everyone is gettin all pissy about this video the Cobra was fairly stock when the video was made. When he got rid of the car it had over 500 to the wheels.. The 2 guys are friends and just messing around. If he wanted to blow the Firebird away, he would have brought out his Turbo Stang that has done 7.90s on drag radials and won the True Street event at ATCO raceway last year
max2k1 3 years ago
get along ppl stop with this gm vs ford crap lol mustangs are made for daily drivers but they can be made fast as hell while camaros and trans ams were are made for the track cuz they are fast from the factory but they have problems thats why they never sold like mustangs they have uncomfortable seats, bad visibility, window motors go out like no tommorow and that stupid hump on the passenger side which will leave u with no one wanting to sit there.
MustangPony11004 3 years ago
I had a Firebird with 170000 miles, never replaced the window motor, the seats were comfortable, even the back seats with the fronts all the way scooted up, The visibility isnt bad either, well i didnt mind it. It was a 94. I like the new stangs though. they look pretty cool, and sound amazing.
Stillremains1 3 years ago
big joke
karelss1 3 years ago
cobra are fucking gay like mustangs
firebirdboy1980 3 years ago
Firebirds are fucking gay, that's why they don't even make those pieces of shit anymore.
MUSTANGSVT99 3 years ago
fuck you. they stop making them cause they were unpractical for FAMILY use. so if you want a grocery getter get a mustang faggot.
millertime60 3 years ago
well theyre pieces of shit whats a stang? im sorry but i believe that "Piece of shit" firebird beat your precious SVT..oh and without a supercharger?? Damn..
Stillremains1 3 years ago 3
12.21 is faster than 12;36 the last time i looked....
steeda28 3 years ago
Barely! still. SC that T/A and then youre looking at 11~ to 12.36..atleast
Still takes a SC cobra to keep up with, or barely pass up a T/A. And if you watched the first race, that TA pulled on that Cobra HARD from 0:08-0:13.
Stillremains1 3 years ago
Does it have a s/c on it now? then who cares what it would do ? Add more cubes to the cobra then if you want to make it fair...they had what they had and the t/a lost .....
steeda28 3 years ago
I dont care how many "cubes" it has. The original point was that the mustang has to have a s/c to keep up (the s/c would make up for more than a 1.1l difference). and in the first race. the Mustang lost. Give it a 350. It'd probably still lose. It also depends on the driver. Obviously, as the TA won the first race, and BARELY lost the second. i bet you 2 out of 3 that firebird would win.
Stillremains1 3 years ago
Well then i dont care that it has the S/C . If the original point was the mustang needed a supercharger then it could be said the t/a needs more cubes ..it could be argued either way . And i love how everyone says oo they need a supercharger but now the vette has one so does that mean the ZR1 is shit cause it has a s/c on it?
steeda28 3 years ago
No because even if it didnt have a supercharger itd still be really fast. The mustang is fast, but im saying to needs a super charger to keep up.
Stillremains1 3 years ago
that cobra uses a supercharger in the same way LS series motors use cubes. its MUCH cheaper to go NA on any LS series engine in the same way its MUCH cheaper to go FI on a ford modular. OHC engines don't have the cube advantage of GM's OHV engines. the most you can safely stroke a modular is to about 302ci or 5L where a typical LS1 goes from a 346 to 408 easily. we need to get on the same team and keep putting imports in their place...behind American muscle!
seniorcat03 3 years ago 35
@seniorcat03 Damn straight American Muscle any day
MrLegendLime 1 year ago
@seniorcat03 good luck with that
NoRotorNoMotor114 1 year ago
@seniorcat03 fuck yea man
88taylor89 1 year ago
@seniorcat03 youre like a muscle prophet... thank you for your words
DDragonn01 10 months ago
@seniorcat03 that may be the best explanation I have ever read.
01281GT 9 months ago
@seniorcat03 amazing words brother
blunted12 8 months ago
@seniorcat03
Its not considered stroking when you increase displacement, its considered stroking when you increase rod length. When you bore the engine, thats when you increase displacement. So the real question is can a 346 ci LS Chevy with just a bore job beat a blown cobra. If not, then that proves chevy can only beat ford by stroking their engines. But what if you do spend the $5k in stroking a cobra engine, which would be better when everything is equal?
SHADDYSNIP3R 7 months ago
@SHADDYSNIP3R you cant bore a 346 only hone now get a lq9 6.0 with same stroke and cam and it will beat a terminator. Terminators are bad ass but they need a supercharger. My friends procharged ls1 runs 11 flat with 8lbs so gm +1 on simple strong engine.
Mr02Ws6TA 6 months ago
@seniorcat03
hahahaha. At putting imports in their place? I've got a 97 Supra TT and I like to run Vipers, and Cobra's, etc... and I have yet to be put in my place. I love domestics by the way! No hater here......much love!
05Stifun 6 months ago
What the TA won dude.
tt35166coupe 2 years ago
hmmm 12.21 is faster than 12.36 the last time i took math,.......
steeda28 2 years ago
Oh shit my bad I was referring to the first highway pull It seemed like the cobra was in it when the TA topended it but the second race does'nt help that. lol
tt35166coupe 2 years ago
hhahaha
mickster026 3 years ago
Although the gears are probably not stock in either car. I love that supercharger wine in the Cobra. The WS6 exhaust sounds better, but I dont like that maroon color.
Fasttws6 3 years ago
The Ws6 has a better gear ratio up top...3:42 gears vs the 3:73 gears in the Cobra.Both cars have a 6 speed or at least thats what it sounded like. The WS6 came in an automatic also but not the Cobra. They only come in 6 speed manuals. I remember they did an article on an automatic WS6 vs. a manual WS6, and the auto was a tenth quicker in the 1/4 mile in stock form. I would never buy an auto myself it takes the fun out of the car IMO...lol. Automatics are much better for drag racing though.
Fasttws6 3 years ago
Was that ws6 spraying in that street race, he picked up a little to quick if you ask me..
JayGeePee1 3 years ago
Holy shit. That WS6 came back pretty hard.
FstFormula 3 years ago
Damn man, get to modding that Cobra. I'm trapping 123mph with a 2.8 pulley, off road h, catback, MGW, TB, and CAI. Awesome vid though since I've owned both cars.
wvutransam 4 years ago
Cam only running a 12.36?? Maybe it's a factory freak (LS6 block). Don't you need exhaust to have a bigger cam though... exhaust alone will add alot to that TA
USMCBret 4 years ago
by cam only he means boltons, and a cam. stock heads. 12.36 is cake with an ls1 cam only setup. christ, the record ls1 cam only setup is in the 10's
emerica4601 4 years ago
Yea thats what I thought. So what, he's probably running full exhaust, little suspension mods, and the CAI shit on top of the cam?
USMCBret 4 years ago
I wish I can find the article on the little 5.0 Coupe, that got into the low 10's with 345hp, and slicks - suspension work and full interior.
JayGeePee1 3 years ago