Nobody knows what there talking about....... Pure BJJ vs Pure wrestling BJJ wins every time. But in MMA U need the 2, since wrestling is the base of the MMA pyramid >dictate when the fight goes to the matt< Without BJJ your screwed if it goes to the Matt, even Judo players train mass BJJ. Even catch wrestlers that fight in mma train BJJ also, or at least practice BJJ techniques in training everyday.
I've been doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for 7 years now. I'm 14. Last week this wrestler 18 year old kid tried to fuck with me. I broke is jaw bone and two of his ribs. Fuck yeah, Jiu Jitsu.
@ordude123 i'm curious what kind of submission did you use to do this, it almost sounds like you used striking and no jiu jitsu. Did you just use positional control and then initiate strikes? Also, you know you're not suppose to using our art for street fighting. All the cussing makes me wonder if it was just two pumped up kids measuring whos dick is bigger, jiu jitsu is about self-control whos you're coach, maybe he needs to know your bragging about hurting another person. >.>
@jamesellis33 `id o MMA so I do Muay Thai kickboxing and jiu jitsu... He tried to hit me so we sparred until things got out of control and we started to fight on the ground. I did an L shoulder lock until he started to cry. I'm not one of those faggots...
@ordude123 dont encourage that kind of behavior it makes us Gracie jiu jitsu guys look like thugs. Jiu jitus is about disciple not acting implusive and foolish.
an ave. wrestlers strength,control,balance will always better than ur ave. bjj practicers..they just didnt know submissions(unless its catch/shoot wrestling &look how sakuraba destroyed bjj) bjj is just an" art" that ripped off/copied kosen judo(look it up) and i cant even compare because judos balance & takedowns are stronger than bjjs but then again judo is a real martial art(with honor) and doesnt depend 80% on just the guard and staying on ur back to win fights.
yea i didnt really see "eye gouging' its looked like good old fashion catch wrestling pressure..and also if he didnt like it,he shouldnt have stayed on his back..hell even when it restarted..he sat down on his own..kinda proves bjj is nothing unless u have the person between ur legs & if the person doesnt play "guard game" or gets out.its kinda useless..wrestler was in control the whole match& on top before the "fouls"..good match on both parts though..
haha eyegouge.... sorry but his chin is clealy in the temple and going across the bridge of the nose, and the little girl on bottom clearly submits twice because of it haha. then they let the action continue under a scoring table so the gay little bjj guy can put in a choke. catch wrestling is far superior to bjj sorry ladies
How would someone who isn't flexible and is interested in winning through strength as well as technique fair in doing bjjj?
Honestly wrestling was my first choice but all the wrestling clubs are in highschool and only accept students. Should I take up BJJ or another MA altogether?
It's really weird how we all continue to have this discussion. They are to DIFFERENT fighting systems and they have different goals. When you have a guy who wrestles to fight someone who specializes into submissions i don't think it's fair. The last few years though wrestlers seem to be more dominant in mma bouts against bjj graplers.
I took in class for wrestling and bjj, I like bjj a bet better since my body type is flexible, tall and skinny, and wrestling is easy if I was more stronger but my body type has to change. To me judo is a mix of both
how can people compare wrestling to jiu jitsu? how?...No grappling art is better than the other, different yes, but not better. Each has its own set of rules, advantages/disadvantages....the jiu-jitsu-is-better-than-wrestling argument, and vice versa is plain stupid..its like comparing an apple to an orange......I like wrestling for the explosiveness and jiu jitsu for sweeps/subs...combine them together and you have a LETHAL GRAPPLER.
LOL i love how nobody knows what there talking about on here.... I train both U need both, there completely different skill-sets. Without BJJ a wrestler would just get submitted, Without wrestling your not getting that take-down.
I started out in Jits and moved to wrestling in college, if you could combine a wrestlers work ethic with hits skills they'd be a force....this is essentially why team lloyd irving kills it lol
b7r7u7c7e got it right. After all, isn't the Gracie Killer a wrestler? Any groundfighter shouldn't neglect wrestling, like he shouldn't neglect submissions.
Im a 2x black belt in judo and brown belt in Bjj. My brother is a national wrestling champian in folk, freestlye, and greco. Every weekend I would train him in submission. I swear this kid looks like a young sakuraba. Very fast and sneaky with his submission and very calm on waiting for the right opening. I think when you have a great wrestling base and then learn hooks and submission at the same time(I heard this is Catch wrestling) its hard for any ground stlye to deal with.
i still think wrestling is better lol. but if u wrestle u have to be aware of submissions and most wrestlers arent. i think submissions shuld be brought back into wrestling. catch wrestling is the best.
Catch Wrestling is NOT the same as amatuer wrestling. Many of the submissions that bjj "invented" existed for hundreds of years in catch. Keylocks were around years before there was a kimura. Look up Sakuraba vs. Silveira if you really want to see catch wrestling vs. bjj
@jobowtackmasterx if you're going to be cheap durring a grappling match and gouge at the eyes with your chin, then i'm pretty sure you're the fag. By the way fuck you and suck it
jiu jitsu wins against wrestling bc u win differently in jiu jitsu. in a wrestling match ur trying to pin their shoulders to the mat, and in jiu jitsu you're trying to make them tap.
you can't compare wrestling to bjj in terms of fighting, you have to look at wrestling as a sport and bjj as self defense...which really means they can't even be compared. But if u wanna talk fighting, give me a 3 dollar can of pepper spray, and i could beat royce gracie himself...no training. I wrestled in high school and a friend told me to try bjj, it's extremely practical for self defense, but trust me...NO sport is as tough as wrestling.
I don't care what anyone says. You can't gouge an eye with a chin. It happens with hard grappling. Not really that big a deal. Running off the mat at cheating the triangle were legitimate calls though
@To0t in mma that wouldnt be classed as eye gouging but then this isnt mma rules so yeh but the bjj guy had the advantage as the wrestler had no idea what to do in full mount that was the only thing he could do unless he knew a bit of bjj himself
We can't really see what is going on at 7:33. Was there a reason the guy in red gave up his back so easily? Was the other guy doing some technique we're not seeing? It's not like the guy in red was being punched in the face, so why did he give up his back in a grappling match???
@NegiAbhay98 they're shoes made for a mat. the bottom of those should in theory be no more dirty than the bottom of someone's foot who's walked around on the mat
@NegiAbhay98 There's more likelyhood of ur shoes getting dirty from peoples faces than peoples faces getting dirty from the shoes. Those are wrestling shoes, and are ONLY worn on the mat, not the streets.
Ya big thumbs up 2 kristiady, fighting through 2 eye gouges, having his opponent try to run through what looked like a solid triangle, and a BS restart, and he still pulls out the submission. Something like that you can't always teach, many times it's something you just acquire or are born with. He has a true will 2 win.
Nice dude!!! +++ Our styles are very similar, especially the way you attack from your back and keep going for legs (i freaking love to use those techniques)..but you're flexible as nuts!! I wish I'd be as flexible as you are! And I love your lockdowns, its a pretty decent technique :))
The reason traditional Greco and collegiate wrestling doesn't fare well against BJJ is the very principle of BJJ groundfighting-- BJJ doesn't mind being on his back as long as he can pull off a submission. Wrestling doesn't specialize in submissions and uses more strength and speed to utilize the right angling and position. In BJJ, you use more leverage compared to strength and MUST be patient patient patient.
The reason traditional Greco and collegiate wrestling generally don't fare well against BJJ is the very principle of BJJ-- on the ground, BJJ doesn't mind being on his back as long as he can pull a submission hold or grip from the guard.
Wrestling doesn't specialize in submissions unlike Jiu Jitsu and relies on a lot more strength and speed to utilize the right angling and positions. In BJJ, more leverage and less strength is key, and you must be PATIENT PATIENT PATIENT
its classic wrestling rough housing, watch taimuraz tigiev wrestling matches, he is a famous wrestler from russia who wrestles for kazakhstan olympic silver medalist every match he pokes people in the eye and smacks them, smacking people on the head is common in wrestling.
I think its hilarious how some morons assume because someone knows bjj thats all they'd do in a fight, being a street fight what can they not do on top of choke you unconcious, break your arm, break your leg, tear tendons and legaments, that some moron in a joke art can?
you guys keep talking about bjj guys getting stabbed?
fucking idiots.
you think if it was a real fight that the bjj wouldnt be able to stab anyone? cos he learnt bjj and now all of a sudden he forgot how to punch, kick, and eyepoke? if the winner had a hard time winning WITHOUT cheating, if he cheated he would have had the same advantage, and completely destroyed that cheating fuck.
so i classify BJJ as a sports or martial arts just like muay thai,....but for on the streets self defence, it is better to learn bruce lee's jeet kune do.
but it is good to learn bjj too, cos its a beautiful martial arts in the ring. cant deny.
@royng888 Yea if only there was some kind of competition that put people of different martial art styles against each other with no rules and no time limits and allowed all illegal strikes to determine what martial art was the most effective against the others...Oh wait there was. JKD didnt do so hot.
Actually to say that about JKD is bull shit. JKD can have anything in it. It depends who the teacher is or the person tailoring it to their body. So go back to Barra McDojo ya crawled out of. In the end it all started on Humaitá Street. :D
@AmericanFenian My "Mcdojo" produces world champions in BJJ and MMA. JKD produces Bruce Lee nutriders and internet warriors that talk a lot of smack but dont compete. You really need to figure out the definition of Mcdojo. A chain gym with tried and tested methods that requires you to full contact spar every class and encourages you to compete at national level tournements is hardly Mcdojo-esque. Keep trolling buddy.
@AmericanFenian I live in Southern California bro, which is the best place to train outside of Brazil. Theres no purple belts running gyms out here. The only times you see Gracie Barras run by purples is when its in bumfuck egypt that doesnt have any black belts. And seeing how Gracie Barra is the biggest competition team in the world, if there arent any GB black Belts in your area, then there probably arent any other black belts in your area either.
I agree So Cal is an awesome place to train and I like going to tournaments there. There are Black Belts in the area, but non of them are Barra. Outside of Brasil, Barra in Cali is the best. But they have so many affiliates that are shit. Trust me I've traveled from East to West in this country competing. I'm not saying a purple belt can't fill in if their professor is absent or help instruct. They shouldn't be running academies. They should be polishing their skills.
@GracieBarraMofo I think a lot of people assume Gracie Barra schools are mcdojos simply because there are so many of them... which is also a sign of success. @Americanfenian, if you think it's a mcdojo, go for a roll, try it out, then decide.
@masterblastertkd Good point.The people that hate on GB are normally students smaller rival schools who's instructors talk a lot of shit about GB because they make a lot of money. They call GB a McDojo but it still takes 10+ years to get a black belt, you roll live every single day, and time on the mat alone wont get you promoted unless your skill level is where its supposed to be at. If you want to spread some Gracie hate, talk shit about GJJ and their mail order black belts.GB is legit.
@GracieBarraMofo Don't talk shit about us, if it wasn't for Rorion none of you other bjj schools would exist you clowns would be teaching in the sewers, because noone would give two flips about jiu jitsu. Gracie academy does not give black belts away despite what these trolls are saying, its just other schools angry trying to cut out the competitor.
@jamesellis33 dont get mad at me. Im not saying GJJ guys dont do well in competition, all im saying there are mailorder belts in GJJ. Take it up with Rorion if you dont like it, but dont get mad at me for speaking facts.
Bjj doesnt work if you are against more than one person becas if u r on the ground choking someone out the other can seriously hurt u like stab u cas u are paying attention to the guy u are choking
Baraka the great u r a fucking retard wrestleing is for fucking homos bjj is much more technique and skill then wrestleing u look up ur facts fuck nut and ur coach can suck my dick cause if he fought my bjj instructor he would get his ass handed to him.... Eat shit and die u wrestleing fag
@ss5dojo that guy is no way unskilled,he was a way better wrestler than the other guy,great speed and scrambling ability and good submission defense until the end,not to mention god top pressure.Id agree theres nothing heroic about it,but he did do well against a stronger better athlete
@ss5dojo If the wrestler had and basic submission skills like catch wrestling it would have been a better match. Pro wrestling ie WWE is the death of catch wrestling.
If I had the time and money, my MMA mix would be: Greco roman wrestling for throws and slams and it's speed, BJJ for up close technical grappling, Vale Tudo for it's even balance between striking and grappling, Muay Thai for it's powerful striking and conditioning and then after about six months, I'd throw some Sambo in there once I had a better understanding of grappling and wanted to add something a little more advanced to the mix.
@berner just so you know,vale tudo is mma with less rules,neither are styles as such.I wouldnt say sambo had anything over wrestling,the standard is way lower internationally and theres alot thats jacket specific.Also bjj has assimilated its best leglocks now.Youd really have to study freestyle or collegiate wrestling since greco has no leg attacks nor defense against them
Something I noticed studying these BJJ videos is that its a very flowing fighting style. They are very very good at noticing peoples mistakes and everything that is given from the opponent is absorbed into some sort of technique. Very interesting to watch.
Stupid. There was no "moral lesson" to be found anywhere here. The wrestler cheated 3 times and was not DQ'ed, and Kristiady seemed to be playing around by going to the crab position every time, giving up top position when he had it and letting Noriadi take mount almost every time. Stupid match that should have ended a good 5 minutes earlier.
P.S. What a newb trying an armbar from half-guard!
That was a good match but If there were no rules ..and "out of bounds " I think the guy in the red coulda gotcha but that's just my opinion . Good match though .
Can i just say, i agree with you totally. Hardian acted like a true sportsman and we should all look up to him for it. But you're being a bit dramatic when you say "acting in a way that virtually none of you reading this would be capable of." Thats simply not true. As far as i can tell there are 2 kinds of fighters. Fighters that cheat, and fighters that don't. Generally it's only the fighters that cheat that will demand perfect restarts and calls on every rule broken. The rest generally do not.
@censurabass Meaning, that when 2 cheaters fight, they will call eachother on everything they do wrong. When 2 fighters who do not cheat fight, it's generally just a clean fight. But, like this, when you get a guy who doesn't cheat fighting a cheater, they generally do not call them on it.
The guy who won apparently loved going for heel hooks and had a rather creepy smile on his face. This is not the good vs evil battle you portray it as. More like two grapplers doing everything they can to win in a rough, even brutal sport competition.
terrible refereeing! match should have been stopped 3 times! also, the most aggravating thing is that triangle was locked on, and they moved it! bullshit. also, to all you who say all you need is BJJ, thats bs too! I am a blue belt in BJJ, I've been training for 3 years now, and wrestling, judo and other grappling arts are required to be well rounded. 9 times out of 10 any wrestler will take you down, get on top and finish you. wrestling and BJJ = great base for fighting and self defense.
At 2:12, the wrestler in the red shorts had the perfect position for a north/south arm triangle and he didn't even recognize it, could've had the fight right there
I feel for the guy, when I wrestled in highschool I used to roll all my opponents with a peterson's. I wrestled a guy who had known this and he reached between my legs and cupped my nuts whenever I would get into position to sit out and roll. In response I couldn't sit out or move for that matter. I didn't lose my cool either and ended losing by points slightly (maybe I shouldnt' have relied so much on the roll lol). But yeah I wanted to punch the guy, but class is more important then winning
Well often times wrestling guys learn BJJ stuff when they want to inter a competition like this. Because there's no submissions in wrestling, just pin the guy and get points.
@JeffreyJamesLippold Just because someone can grapple well, does not mean they know brazillian style of ju-jutsu atall. The best grapplers throughout history that I know, did not know any brazillian ju-jutsu. Don't get me wrong, many good ones do know bjj. It's just a style. Gene lebel awesome. Bjj nope, Gokor, awesome, bjj nope, Kimura awesome bjj nope, acosta, awesome bjj yes. so, just because they know ju-jutsu you can't tell where they learned it.
@JeffreyJamesLippold Well, the issue here is that in freestyle wrestling, which as I understand is what he practiced, there are no submission/submission escape/etc. Since he knows them, he had to have learned them in bjj or another art such as judo or sambo or catch. Since there is no indication he studied any of the latter three, he evidently studied bjj.
for me no, i will punch and kick the hell out of my opponent.
even if i happen to be thrown to the ground by some coward opponent, i will use the coward way to fight, i will use my teeth to bite a big chunk of fresh out. you think BJJ effective against my teeth and finger nails in real fight????
@royng888 Have you ever seen a real street fight? If a person is on top of you, the only place you will have your hands is covering your face, it's a reflex, you can't control it. Your brain will not put you in danger unless trained to do otherwise. A person with top control is going to easily be the victor.
@royng888 lol by a coward opponent... you mean some one that knows how to fight?? if i threw your bitch ass to the ground and mount you and you bite me.... then you have just thrown any common rules out the window and now i get control while your busy biting my leg then i shove my thumbs threw your eyes into the back of your skull and kill you you moron.... you think your the only one that can fight dirty.... just know if you sink to that level then your opponent can do the same
The wrestler doesn't know how to fight. He's just strong. I was the same way, I was a wrestler in Highschool for 4 years but it wasn't until I learned Brazilian Jiujitsu and Judo that I really learned how to grapple.
@ph33ric clearly you know little about technique. therefore, i suggest that in future you restrain yourself from making technique related comments. i am guessing that you are a white belt, if you train at all.
@tap2flame i bet your a big strong dude who cant get past pushing people over on your knees durring class and just brute'ing everything and goin Nuts like every nite is abu dahbi nite. JERK head!
Ju jitsu would win I think because style beats strength every time thts just my opion tho plus the wrestler would get tired slot faster using all his strength... In a street fight I still belive ju jitsu is better cause they use there opponents mistakes to win and reverse the wrestler. IDK that's my opinion I'm not hatein on any one I fight ju jitsu but if u have a did opion leave me a comment
WOW WHAT A GOOD FIGHT. THOSE EYE POKES DIDN'T SEEM ON PURPOSE. IF THIS WAS A MMA FIGHT AND YOU COULD STRIKE THE GUY IN THE RED WOULD OF WON BUT JUST MY OPINION. AMAZING FIGHT WHAT A BATTLE
Man, I'm tired of people who say Jiu Jitsu is always better than wrestling, of course in a submission match Jiu Jitsu comes out on top, Ive done both sports and theyre just different, wrestling is not really a combat art, its just a contact sport I have respect for both arts and the people who participate in them.
Ju jitsu beats wrestleing every time cause wrestleing has no style or technique it's just strength and that's what hpn here the bjj guy out classed the wrestler
@xjoker94x In a pointless submission match on mats, maybe. However in a street fight/real fight, the wrestler will get on top every time and just ground and pound. Anyone who says wrestlers have no skill is an idiot.
@xjoker94x Wrestling is all style and technique, why don't you do some research before posting, you can be the skinniest guy, but beat someone twice your size because of skill difference, AKA my coach against a buff new comer.
I consider myself to be someone of patience, but i too will not being able to stop myself from complainig to the referee in the least, or throw a chair at most. indeed this is very inspiring.
I have a feeling that th wrestler would have one if it were not for the eye gouging. the second time it didn't even look like he hit the BJJ fighters eye it looked more like his forehead.
I feel like the wrestler was the stronger opponent. not just physically.
Randy Couture,Mark Coleman,Kevin Randleman and many other MMA specialist has limited submission experience and has win many fights against submission graplers.
Another example is the "Gracie Killer" who is a freestyle wrestler....
So my point is that bjj is better than wrestling in a submission fight but not in a "real fight" especially in the street,where to go on the ground it's not so easy,since a road could be much harder than a mat or a tatami....
Actually i think is pretty lame to think that bjj is better than wrestling.....
Since this is submission wrestling fight i think it's common at the end the bjj guy win the fight since submissions is bjj priority.
It would be better to fight a guy from judo,sambo or pankration.
Anyway i think is lame to think that bjj is better than wrestling,since in MMA fights wrestlers tend to give a hard day at ground fighters cause of their takedown defence....
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Nobody knows what there talking about....... Pure BJJ vs Pure wrestling BJJ wins every time. But in MMA U need the 2, since wrestling is the base of the MMA pyramid >dictate when the fight goes to the matt< Without BJJ your screwed if it goes to the Matt, even Judo players train mass BJJ. Even catch wrestlers that fight in mma train BJJ also, or at least practice BJJ techniques in training everyday.
TheDarceChoke 2 weeks ago
I've been doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for 7 years now. I'm 14. Last week this wrestler 18 year old kid tried to fuck with me. I broke is jaw bone and two of his ribs. Fuck yeah, Jiu Jitsu.
ordude123 3 weeks ago
@ordude123 i'm curious what kind of submission did you use to do this, it almost sounds like you used striking and no jiu jitsu. Did you just use positional control and then initiate strikes? Also, you know you're not suppose to using our art for street fighting. All the cussing makes me wonder if it was just two pumped up kids measuring whos dick is bigger, jiu jitsu is about self-control whos you're coach, maybe he needs to know your bragging about hurting another person. >.>
jamesellis33 2 weeks ago
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@jamesellis33 `id o MMA so I do Muay Thai kickboxing and jiu jitsu... He tried to hit me so we sparred until things got out of control and we started to fight on the ground. I did an L shoulder lock until he started to cry. I'm not one of those faggots...
ordude123 2 weeks ago
Brazilian Jiu JItsu > Wrestling
BKsMassive 3 weeks ago
@BKsMassive Damn straight son.
ordude123 3 weeks ago
@ordude123 dont encourage that kind of behavior it makes us Gracie jiu jitsu guys look like thugs. Jiu jitus is about disciple not acting implusive and foolish.
jamesellis33 2 weeks ago
an ave. wrestlers strength,control,balance will always better than ur ave. bjj practicers..they just didnt know submissions(unless its catch/shoot wrestling &look how sakuraba destroyed bjj) bjj is just an" art" that ripped off/copied kosen judo(look it up) and i cant even compare because judos balance & takedowns are stronger than bjjs but then again judo is a real martial art(with honor) and doesnt depend 80% on just the guard and staying on ur back to win fights.
HonzoHasegawa 1 month ago
yea i didnt really see "eye gouging' its looked like good old fashion catch wrestling pressure..and also if he didnt like it,he shouldnt have stayed on his back..hell even when it restarted..he sat down on his own..kinda proves bjj is nothing unless u have the person between ur legs & if the person doesnt play "guard game" or gets out.its kinda useless..wrestler was in control the whole match& on top before the "fouls"..good match on both parts though..
HonzoHasegawa 1 month ago
haha eyegouge.... sorry but his chin is clealy in the temple and going across the bridge of the nose, and the little girl on bottom clearly submits twice because of it haha. then they let the action continue under a scoring table so the gay little bjj guy can put in a choke. catch wrestling is far superior to bjj sorry ladies
mfrank165 1 month ago
How would someone who isn't flexible and is interested in winning through strength as well as technique fair in doing bjjj?
Honestly wrestling was my first choice but all the wrestling clubs are in highschool and only accept students. Should I take up BJJ or another MA altogether?
KaeruthePaladin 1 month ago
bjj ownes wrestling!!!!!!!!
creativename14 1 month ago
Dude, what happened at 1:04?
waterfordel 2 months ago
It's really weird how we all continue to have this discussion. They are to DIFFERENT fighting systems and they have different goals. When you have a guy who wrestles to fight someone who specializes into submissions i don't think it's fair. The last few years though wrestlers seem to be more dominant in mma bouts against bjj graplers.
gioelio 2 months ago
I took in class for wrestling and bjj, I like bjj a bet better since my body type is flexible, tall and skinny, and wrestling is easy if I was more stronger but my body type has to change. To me judo is a mix of both
dudesayHEY 3 months ago
how can people compare wrestling to jiu jitsu? how?...No grappling art is better than the other, different yes, but not better. Each has its own set of rules, advantages/disadvantages....the jiu-jitsu-is-better-than-wrestling argument, and vice versa is plain stupid..its like comparing an apple to an orange......I like wrestling for the explosiveness and jiu jitsu for sweeps/subs...combine them together and you have a LETHAL GRAPPLER.
andre1442 3 months ago
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LOL i love how nobody knows what there talking about on here.... I train both U need both, there completely different skill-sets. Without BJJ a wrestler would just get submitted, Without wrestling your not getting that take-down.
TheDarceChoke 3 months ago
He didn't lose his sight, right? Just making sure...
PeidoLord 3 months ago
That was so cheap the way he runs off the matt when in a triangle and then puts his arm in the triangle on the restart... What the flip...
ChamorruWarrior 3 months ago
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theguyi26 3 months ago
I started out in Jits and moved to wrestling in college, if you could combine a wrestlers work ethic with hits skills they'd be a force....this is essentially why team lloyd irving kills it lol
dvdm0077 3 months ago
b7r7u7c7e got it right. After all, isn't the Gracie Killer a wrestler? Any groundfighter shouldn't neglect wrestling, like he shouldn't neglect submissions.
XereZz 4 months ago
did he do it with his chin? was hard to see...
RainstormInSpace 4 months ago
Eye gouging is just as pussy as it gets, BEYOND nutshots. -__-
FernandoMendoza775 4 months ago
fuck a wrestler nigga niggas are to carless
gizjtr1 4 months ago
Am I the only one that thinks that this wrestling prick is a pussy. 2 eye gouges and running off the mat. Face it like a man, you lost.
brianvaughn21 5 months ago
Im a 2x black belt in judo and brown belt in Bjj. My brother is a national wrestling champian in folk, freestlye, and greco. Every weekend I would train him in submission. I swear this kid looks like a young sakuraba. Very fast and sneaky with his submission and very calm on waiting for the right opening. I think when you have a great wrestling base and then learn hooks and submission at the same time(I heard this is Catch wrestling) its hard for any ground stlye to deal with.
b7r7u7c7e 5 months ago 4
What the difference between Grappling, and Jiu Jitsu ?
PhoenixIceable 5 months ago
i still think wrestling is better lol. but if u wrestle u have to be aware of submissions and most wrestlers arent. i think submissions shuld be brought back into wrestling. catch wrestling is the best.
vespaman101 5 months ago
SHOES OFF, ASSHOLE
lanciauxrayz 5 months ago
Catch Wrestling is NOT the same as amatuer wrestling. Many of the submissions that bjj "invented" existed for hundreds of years in catch. Keylocks were around years before there was a kimura. Look up Sakuraba vs. Silveira if you really want to see catch wrestling vs. bjj
puffykilled2pac 5 months ago
far out that asian guy in the red is a bastard. LIttle bitch can't fight fairly. Fucking gimp cunt.
xAristaicx 6 months ago
@jobowtackmasterx if you're going to be cheap durring a grappling match and gouge at the eyes with your chin, then i'm pretty sure you're the fag. By the way fuck you and suck it
canibuswp 6 months ago
how can you gouge someones eye with your chin?
fromstart2finish 6 months ago
@ 2:50 the jiu-jitsu guy screamed like a freakin faggot hahaha! loserrr...
jobowtackmasterx 6 months ago
Whoa, the wrestler won Asia's "best match ever". That's pretty cool.
If you're a skilled wrestler you can have more control of your opponent on the mat, it's just that BJJ are more offensive and can do more damage.
MidgetmaniaRIP 6 months ago
@MidgetmaniaRIP the wrestler lost...
MrPhrogphurter 5 months ago
I'm glad that punk got beat. Explosive little f'er though isn't he?
hoganms0321 7 months ago
Geez, twice?!... Damn, might have won if he wasn't trying to cheat. That was low....
EricCortez11 7 months ago
jiu jitsu wins against wrestling bc u win differently in jiu jitsu. in a wrestling match ur trying to pin their shoulders to the mat, and in jiu jitsu you're trying to make them tap.
crackheadzach1 7 months ago
Classy guy. Job well done.
hootiepaladin 7 months ago
stop fucking hating. both have there advantages their for the equal out. but i prefer brazilian jiu jitsu mainly cuz you can sweep alot of wrestlers.
TheRDiz 8 months ago
That bastard watched too much wwe
prototype479 8 months ago
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you can't compare wrestling to bjj in terms of fighting, you have to look at wrestling as a sport and bjj as self defense...which really means they can't even be compared. But if u wanna talk fighting, give me a 3 dollar can of pepper spray, and i could beat royce gracie himself...no training. I wrestled in high school and a friend told me to try bjj, it's extremely practical for self defense, but trust me...NO sport is as tough as wrestling.
jms8220 8 months ago
I don't care what anyone says. You can't gouge an eye with a chin. It happens with hard grappling. Not really that big a deal. Running off the mat at cheating the triangle were legitimate calls though
rico925 8 months ago
the guy in red is a giant ass, eye gouging the dude seriousely?
To0t 8 months ago
@To0t in mma that wouldnt be classed as eye gouging but then this isnt mma rules so yeh but the bjj guy had the advantage as the wrestler had no idea what to do in full mount that was the only thing he could do unless he knew a bit of bjj himself
stonerboyno1 8 months ago
jiujitsu guys are gay
jobowtackmasterx 8 months ago
@jobowtackmasterx im pretty jiu jitsu and wrestling are very similar
ClarkRandomness 8 months ago
@ClarkRandomness your fucking dumb wrestling is hella better...
batman1048 8 months ago
@jobowtackmasterx too bad we wuld layy ur ass out
justin59084 6 months ago
We can't really see what is going on at 7:33. Was there a reason the guy in red gave up his back so easily? Was the other guy doing some technique we're not seeing? It's not like the guy in red was being punched in the face, so why did he give up his back in a grappling match???
XinKotetsu 8 months ago
@XinKotetsu Looks like he was trying to roll him. If he had secured an arm or his head, he could have used that with his half guard to sweep him.
krazyko2 8 months ago
the only thing I have to say is CAULIFLOWER EAR!!!!! lol
Luvyounot708 8 months ago
What is the name of the wrestling takedown that Noriadi uses where he swings around behind Kristiady?
culturaleyes 9 months ago
So..... Wrestling beat's BJJ... No surprise really...
killyobchass 9 months ago
@killyobchass Umm...BJJ won buddy lol
justin59084 6 months ago
BJJ??? hmmmm looks like Sambo leg locks to me.
mdriddler 9 months ago
Fair play to Haridian. I immensly dislike unfair sportsmen. The fact he had wrestling shoes was even unfair, let alone his antics on the mat.
Howyamossy 9 months ago
SHOES OFF THE JIU JITSU MAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE EVERYONES FACE GOES
NegiAbhay98 10 months ago 13
@NegiAbhay98 they're shoes made for a mat. the bottom of those should in theory be no more dirty than the bottom of someone's foot who's walked around on the mat
matthewjpr 6 months ago
@NegiAbhay98 There's more likelyhood of ur shoes getting dirty from peoples faces than peoples faces getting dirty from the shoes. Those are wrestling shoes, and are ONLY worn on the mat, not the streets.
masterblastertkd 5 months ago
Much respect for Hardian Kristiady :D
boneybastard14 10 months ago
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pp1000fc 10 months ago
1:03 3/4 mortal
pp1000fc 10 months ago
was he trying to poke the guy's eye with his chin? What just happened?
PeidoLord 11 months ago
Ya big thumbs up 2 kristiady, fighting through 2 eye gouges, having his opponent try to run through what looked like a solid triangle, and a BS restart, and he still pulls out the submission. Something like that you can't always teach, many times it's something you just acquire or are born with. He has a true will 2 win.
EnglishClick800 11 months ago
Nice dude!!! +++ Our styles are very similar, especially the way you attack from your back and keep going for legs (i freaking love to use those techniques)..but you're flexible as nuts!! I wish I'd be as flexible as you are! And I love your lockdowns, its a pretty decent technique :))
Aimi98 11 months ago
The reason traditional Greco and collegiate wrestling doesn't fare well against BJJ is the very principle of BJJ groundfighting-- BJJ doesn't mind being on his back as long as he can pull off a submission. Wrestling doesn't specialize in submissions and uses more strength and speed to utilize the right angling and position. In BJJ, you use more leverage compared to strength and MUST be patient patient patient.
AceofDlamonds 11 months ago 17
@AceofDlamonds that's not even remotely true. wrestling relies on position and angling, but the strength required to execute a move is nominal.
foolsbetrippin 6 months ago
@foolsbetrippin
oh I assure you strength is a bigger factor in wrestling matches than BJJ. A few of my friends who wrestle can attest to that.
AceofDlamonds 6 months ago
@AceofDlamonds not more. i wrestle also wrestle for cornell..
foolsbetrippin 6 months ago
@AceofDlamonds and this vid. proves...you have to be very patient!
Coopersboy7 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds lol yep, skill, finesse, form, and timing goes way over physical ability.
videosareforfags 1 month ago
The reason traditional Greco and collegiate wrestling generally don't fare well against BJJ is the very principle of BJJ-- on the ground, BJJ doesn't mind being on his back as long as he can pull a submission hold or grip from the guard.
Wrestling doesn't specialize in submissions unlike Jiu Jitsu and relies on a lot more strength and speed to utilize the right angling and positions. In BJJ, more leverage and less strength is key, and you must be PATIENT PATIENT PATIENT
AceofDlamonds 11 months ago
All fighting is dirty, the weak don't accept this as they lie beat up
enslavedbyhumans 11 months ago
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@enslavedbyhumans "All fighting is dirty, the weak don't accept this as they lie beat up"
might as well buy a gun or a knife and save yourself the trouble if you think fighting dirty is acceptable.
chingon711 8 months ago
its classic wrestling rough housing, watch taimuraz tigiev wrestling matches, he is a famous wrestler from russia who wrestles for kazakhstan olympic silver medalist every match he pokes people in the eye and smacks them, smacking people on the head is common in wrestling.
GBDazzler 11 months ago
I think its hilarious how some morons assume because someone knows bjj thats all they'd do in a fight, being a street fight what can they not do on top of choke you unconcious, break your arm, break your leg, tear tendons and legaments, that some moron in a joke art can?
GBDazzler 11 months ago
you guys keep talking about bjj guys getting stabbed?
fucking idiots.
you think if it was a real fight that the bjj wouldnt be able to stab anyone? cos he learnt bjj and now all of a sudden he forgot how to punch, kick, and eyepoke? if the winner had a hard time winning WITHOUT cheating, if he cheated he would have had the same advantage, and completely destroyed that cheating fuck.
Team2Sexy 11 months ago
Keeping your cool or not, two eye gouges is a legitimate reason to get pissed off.
mrpopenfresh 1 year ago
There has to be a way to design a helmet with eye protection - e.g. wrestler's head-gear and lexan goggles attached underneath a lucha libre mask.
nathanwilefrazier 1 year ago
iF this was a real fight the wrestler already won with the eye gouge hahahahaha
aquin520 1 year ago
bjj is like a sports, with all the rules.
in real fight, i rather use punching and kicking, especially if you are in group fights.
bjj happily chocking someone, you get stabbed with on the back.
for self defence, i have to pick other martial arts like bruce lee's jeet kune do is the best bet.
royng888 1 year ago
@royng888 one on one tho if there is know weapons its good to know a ground technique as well like bjj
bassinyobooty 1 year ago
@bassinyobooty
so i classify BJJ as a sports or martial arts just like muay thai,....but for on the streets self defence, it is better to learn bruce lee's jeet kune do.
but it is good to learn bjj too, cos its a beautiful martial arts in the ring. cant deny.
royng888 1 year ago
@royng888 Yea if only there was some kind of competition that put people of different martial art styles against each other with no rules and no time limits and allowed all illegal strikes to determine what martial art was the most effective against the others...Oh wait there was. JKD didnt do so hot.
GracieBarraMofo 6 months ago
@GracieBarraMofo
Actually to say that about JKD is bull shit. JKD can have anything in it. It depends who the teacher is or the person tailoring it to their body. So go back to Barra McDojo ya crawled out of. In the end it all started on Humaitá Street. :D
AmericanFenian 5 months ago
@AmericanFenian My "Mcdojo" produces world champions in BJJ and MMA. JKD produces Bruce Lee nutriders and internet warriors that talk a lot of smack but dont compete. You really need to figure out the definition of Mcdojo. A chain gym with tried and tested methods that requires you to full contact spar every class and encourages you to compete at national level tournements is hardly Mcdojo-esque. Keep trolling buddy.
GracieBarraMofo 5 months ago
@GracieBarraMofo
With Purple belts running gyms. Barra is a pure numbers game man. Ya get thousands of people and there will be some good and a load of bad.
AmericanFenian 5 months ago
@AmericanFenian I live in Southern California bro, which is the best place to train outside of Brazil. Theres no purple belts running gyms out here. The only times you see Gracie Barras run by purples is when its in bumfuck egypt that doesnt have any black belts. And seeing how Gracie Barra is the biggest competition team in the world, if there arent any GB black Belts in your area, then there probably arent any other black belts in your area either.
GracieBarraMofo 5 months ago
@GracieBarraMofo
I agree So Cal is an awesome place to train and I like going to tournaments there. There are Black Belts in the area, but non of them are Barra. Outside of Brasil, Barra in Cali is the best. But they have so many affiliates that are shit. Trust me I've traveled from East to West in this country competing. I'm not saying a purple belt can't fill in if their professor is absent or help instruct. They shouldn't be running academies. They should be polishing their skills.
AmericanFenian 5 months ago
@GracieBarraMofo I think a lot of people assume Gracie Barra schools are mcdojos simply because there are so many of them... which is also a sign of success. @Americanfenian, if you think it's a mcdojo, go for a roll, try it out, then decide.
masterblastertkd 5 months ago
@masterblastertkd Good point.The people that hate on GB are normally students smaller rival schools who's instructors talk a lot of shit about GB because they make a lot of money. They call GB a McDojo but it still takes 10+ years to get a black belt, you roll live every single day, and time on the mat alone wont get you promoted unless your skill level is where its supposed to be at. If you want to spread some Gracie hate, talk shit about GJJ and their mail order black belts.GB is legit.
GracieBarraMofo 5 months ago
@GracieBarraMofo Don't talk shit about us, if it wasn't for Rorion none of you other bjj schools would exist you clowns would be teaching in the sewers, because noone would give two flips about jiu jitsu. Gracie academy does not give black belts away despite what these trolls are saying, its just other schools angry trying to cut out the competitor.
jamesellis33 2 months ago
@jamesellis33 dont get mad at me. Im not saying GJJ guys dont do well in competition, all im saying there are mailorder belts in GJJ. Take it up with Rorion if you dont like it, but dont get mad at me for speaking facts.
GracieBarraMofo 2 months ago
@royng888
My JKD incorporates Kali and BJJ.
AmericanFenian 5 months ago
Bjj doesnt work if you are against more than one person becas if u r on the ground choking someone out the other can seriously hurt u like stab u cas u are paying attention to the guy u are choking
MrPancho4321 1 year ago
@MrPancho4321 ya, but for example i pracice it because i like it, i dont use it for self defence because i know it wont really help
frank12364 1 year ago
LOL I thought when the guy got gouged, he was actually getting his nose bitten.
mansondevil33 1 year ago
At the beginning of there match its like watching a crocodile do a death roll on the guys leg haha. Awesome talent.
ThrashingIsMyBizness 1 year ago
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i would have thrown a chair at the wrestler if he eye gouged me, dodgy lil fuck
swingkingzz 1 year ago
Baraka the great u r a fucking retard wrestleing is for fucking homos bjj is much more technique and skill then wrestleing u look up ur facts fuck nut and ur coach can suck my dick cause if he fought my bjj instructor he would get his ass handed to him.... Eat shit and die u wrestleing fag
xjoker94x 1 year ago
@ss5dojo that guy is no way unskilled,he was a way better wrestler than the other guy,great speed and scrambling ability and good submission defense until the end,not to mention god top pressure.Id agree theres nothing heroic about it,but he did do well against a stronger better athlete
billysue2 1 year ago
lemme get this straight, the red shorts guy was using his chin to gouge haridians eyes?
jeffchen 1 year ago
@ss5dojo If the wrestler had and basic submission skills like catch wrestling it would have been a better match. Pro wrestling ie WWE is the death of catch wrestling.
Information4us 1 year ago
He threw that triangle so smoothly
DangerDarf 1 year ago
and the moral of this video is if you cheat you will not be punished! so cheat cheat cheat!!!!
lusby16 1 year ago
If I had the time and money, my MMA mix would be: Greco roman wrestling for throws and slams and it's speed, BJJ for up close technical grappling, Vale Tudo for it's even balance between striking and grappling, Muay Thai for it's powerful striking and conditioning and then after about six months, I'd throw some Sambo in there once I had a better understanding of grappling and wanted to add something a little more advanced to the mix.
berner 1 year ago
@berner Rofl, just goes to show how flawed each of those styles are if you have to jump around like that.
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
@berner just so you know,vale tudo is mma with less rules,neither are styles as such.I wouldnt say sambo had anything over wrestling,the standard is way lower internationally and theres alot thats jacket specific.Also bjj has assimilated its best leglocks now.Youd really have to study freestyle or collegiate wrestling since greco has no leg attacks nor defense against them
billysue2 1 year ago
Something I noticed studying these BJJ videos is that its a very flowing fighting style. They are very very good at noticing peoples mistakes and everything that is given from the opponent is absorbed into some sort of technique. Very interesting to watch.
urfaceismessed 1 year ago
you may be able to outlast a wrestler in a grapple match but. in a real fight pretty sure he would have just pounded away on u =/
FullOfCrapz 1 year ago
I'm favoriting this! This is awesome!!!
GooseHinson 1 year ago
He Basically sets you up for the sweep at 4:30
xdiminished5thsx 1 year ago
that wrestler was a damn scumbag. he looked like a squealing pig inside that triangle.
thevu62 1 year ago
Stupid. There was no "moral lesson" to be found anywhere here. The wrestler cheated 3 times and was not DQ'ed, and Kristiady seemed to be playing around by going to the crab position every time, giving up top position when he had it and letting Noriadi take mount almost every time. Stupid match that should have ended a good 5 minutes earlier.
P.S. What a newb trying an armbar from half-guard!
kommisar 1 year ago
That was a good match but If there were no rules ..and "out of bounds " I think the guy in the red coulda gotcha but that's just my opinion . Good match though .
XxSHYBOYxX187 1 year ago
Can i just say, i agree with you totally. Hardian acted like a true sportsman and we should all look up to him for it. But you're being a bit dramatic when you say "acting in a way that virtually none of you reading this would be capable of." Thats simply not true. As far as i can tell there are 2 kinds of fighters. Fighters that cheat, and fighters that don't. Generally it's only the fighters that cheat that will demand perfect restarts and calls on every rule broken. The rest generally do not.
censurabass 1 year ago
@censurabass Meaning, that when 2 cheaters fight, they will call eachother on everything they do wrong. When 2 fighters who do not cheat fight, it's generally just a clean fight. But, like this, when you get a guy who doesn't cheat fighting a cheater, they generally do not call them on it.
censurabass 1 year ago
are they listening to wiz khalifa- name on a cloud at around 7:30... wtf? lol
DonutsRGreat 1 year ago
lol at song
yeee941 1 year ago
The guy who won apparently loved going for heel hooks and had a rather creepy smile on his face. This is not the good vs evil battle you portray it as. More like two grapplers doing everything they can to win in a rough, even brutal sport competition.
Agtren 1 year ago
couldnt see their faces. but they sure do have hot sexy bodies yum yum especially the shirtless asian guy in red shorts
jinac80 1 year ago
after the second eye gouge i would have kicked that guy in the balls :D
bogdan1bogdan 1 year ago
i was hoping he could have hooked up on that kimura and shattered his arm!
MrNovacain1 1 year ago
you don't do yourself any favours with the intro
23tobymontgomery 1 year ago
Noriadi is a little fucker... Hardian should have kept the triangle on when the went off the mat and made Noriandi go to sleep
JaboBabo 1 year ago
terrible refereeing! match should have been stopped 3 times! also, the most aggravating thing is that triangle was locked on, and they moved it! bullshit. also, to all you who say all you need is BJJ, thats bs too! I am a blue belt in BJJ, I've been training for 3 years now, and wrestling, judo and other grappling arts are required to be well rounded. 9 times out of 10 any wrestler will take you down, get on top and finish you. wrestling and BJJ = great base for fighting and self defense.
woolrocks 1 year ago
At 2:12, the wrestler in the red shorts had the perfect position for a north/south arm triangle and he didn't even recognize it, could've had the fight right there
STEALTH872003 1 year ago
@STEALTH872003 I saw that. But I saw it two minutes earlier. I'm that good.
christlicker 1 year ago
@christlicker LOL, gotta give it to you
STEALTH872003 1 year ago
I feel for the guy, when I wrestled in highschool I used to roll all my opponents with a peterson's. I wrestled a guy who had known this and he reached between my legs and cupped my nuts whenever I would get into position to sit out and roll. In response I couldn't sit out or move for that matter. I didn't lose my cool either and ended losing by points slightly (maybe I shouldnt' have relied so much on the roll lol). But yeah I wanted to punch the guy, but class is more important then winning
DrNo172000 1 year ago
LOL the guy stuck his fingers in the other guys face and gouged his own eye. Too funny.
JeffreyJamesLippold 1 year ago
the guy in the red shorts is and asshole
MikeGSP24 1 year ago
funny how people say bjj vs wrestling, when both clearly know and use bjj
Agtren 1 year ago
@Agtren got that right..!
WisdomValleser 1 year ago
Well often times wrestling guys learn BJJ stuff when they want to inter a competition like this. Because there's no submissions in wrestling, just pin the guy and get points.
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@Agtren disagree.
JeffreyJamesLippold 1 year ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold Why?
Agtren 1 year ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold Just because someone can grapple well, does not mean they know brazillian style of ju-jutsu atall. The best grapplers throughout history that I know, did not know any brazillian ju-jutsu. Don't get me wrong, many good ones do know bjj. It's just a style. Gene lebel awesome. Bjj nope, Gokor, awesome, bjj nope, Kimura awesome bjj nope, acosta, awesome bjj yes. so, just because they know ju-jutsu you can't tell where they learned it.
JeffreyJamesLippold 1 year ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold Well, the issue here is that in freestyle wrestling, which as I understand is what he practiced, there are no submission/submission escape/etc. Since he knows them, he had to have learned them in bjj or another art such as judo or sambo or catch. Since there is no indication he studied any of the latter three, he evidently studied bjj.
Agtren 1 year ago
@Agtren Correlational fallacy, could be anything.
JeffreyJamesLippold 1 year ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold Hm, without additional information BJJ is still the most likely candidate.
Agtren 1 year ago
come on fight like a man, why goes to the ground and wrestle like snakes?
royng888 1 year ago
@royng888 You know the majority of fights end up on the ground right?
BarakaTheGreat 1 year ago
@BarakaTheGreat
for me no, i will punch and kick the hell out of my opponent.
even if i happen to be thrown to the ground by some coward opponent, i will use the coward way to fight, i will use my teeth to bite a big chunk of fresh out. you think BJJ effective against my teeth and finger nails in real fight????
royng888 1 year ago
@royng888 Have you ever seen a real street fight? If a person is on top of you, the only place you will have your hands is covering your face, it's a reflex, you can't control it. Your brain will not put you in danger unless trained to do otherwise. A person with top control is going to easily be the victor.
BarakaTheGreat 1 year ago
@BarakaTheGreat
BJJ is effective cos there are rules, in real fight, go on top of me, i will bite your nipple off.
royng888 1 year ago
@royng888 No, no you won't, keep thinking false things.
BarakaTheGreat 1 year ago
@royng888 lol by a coward opponent... you mean some one that knows how to fight?? if i threw your bitch ass to the ground and mount you and you bite me.... then you have just thrown any common rules out the window and now i get control while your busy biting my leg then i shove my thumbs threw your eyes into the back of your skull and kill you you moron.... you think your the only one that can fight dirty.... just know if you sink to that level then your opponent can do the same
dmen4545 1 year ago
The wrestler doesn't know how to fight. He's just strong. I was the same way, I was a wrestler in Highschool for 4 years but it wasn't until I learned Brazilian Jiujitsu and Judo that I really learned how to grapple.
taichibailongball 1 year ago
o come on i dont think he ENTIRELY ment to eye gouge him, its not like he jabd him with a finger or somthing.
ph33ric 1 year ago
@ph33ric clearly you know little about technique. therefore, i suggest that in future you restrain yourself from making technique related comments. i am guessing that you are a white belt, if you train at all.
tap2flame 1 year ago
@tap2flame i bet your a big strong dude who cant get past pushing people over on your knees durring class and just brute'ing everything and goin Nuts like every nite is abu dahbi nite. JERK head!
ph33ric 1 year ago
@ph33ric
Nice grammar, retard!
ssDaNss 1 year ago
Ju jitsu would win I think because style beats strength every time thts just my opion tho plus the wrestler would get tired slot faster using all his strength... In a street fight I still belive ju jitsu is better cause they use there opponents mistakes to win and reverse the wrestler. IDK that's my opinion I'm not hatein on any one I fight ju jitsu but if u have a did opion leave me a comment
xjoker94x 1 year ago
WOW WHAT A GOOD FIGHT. THOSE EYE POKES DIDN'T SEEM ON PURPOSE. IF THIS WAS A MMA FIGHT AND YOU COULD STRIKE THE GUY IN THE RED WOULD OF WON BUT JUST MY OPINION. AMAZING FIGHT WHAT A BATTLE
Pandabearmadness 1 year ago
Man, I'm tired of people who say Jiu Jitsu is always better than wrestling, of course in a submission match Jiu Jitsu comes out on top, Ive done both sports and theyre just different, wrestling is not really a combat art, its just a contact sport I have respect for both arts and the people who participate in them.
Jrongalo94 1 year ago
Ju jitsu beats wrestleing every time cause wrestleing has no style or technique it's just strength and that's what hpn here the bjj guy out classed the wrestler
xjoker94x 1 year ago
@xjoker94x In a pointless submission match on mats, maybe. However in a street fight/real fight, the wrestler will get on top every time and just ground and pound. Anyone who says wrestlers have no skill is an idiot.
muaythairaja 1 year ago
@xjoker94x Wrestling is all style and technique, why don't you do some research before posting, you can be the skinniest guy, but beat someone twice your size because of skill difference, AKA my coach against a buff new comer.
BarakaTheGreat 1 year ago
every time i roll with a wrestler i lose :( so freakin frustrating!
samanbandana 1 year ago
MMA is superior. If they can avoid all your takedowns, your submissions and what not become useless and you're forced to take kicks and punches. ;)
Deathclok 1 year ago
BJJ is all you need.
xIegionx 1 year ago
i don't understand how he got eye-gouged did his opponent bite his eye? o.O
nomefacil1 1 year ago
@nomefacil1 he used his chin to dig into his eye
randyds5 1 year ago
I consider myself to be someone of patience, but i too will not being able to stop myself from complainig to the referee in the least, or throw a chair at most. indeed this is very inspiring.
lain777 1 year ago
The dumbest guy in this whole thing is the ref.
TheHardout2005 1 year ago
nice...
aminevich 1 year ago
did that dude really bust his azz doin his victory flips at 1:03?
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
I have a feeling that th wrestler would have one if it were not for the eye gouging. the second time it didn't even look like he hit the BJJ fighters eye it looked more like his forehead.
I feel like the wrestler was the stronger opponent. not just physically.
dutchmenred 1 year ago
nice
nico1blue 1 year ago
Randy Couture,Mark Coleman,Kevin Randleman and many other MMA specialist has limited submission experience and has win many fights against submission graplers.
Another example is the "Gracie Killer" who is a freestyle wrestler....
So my point is that bjj is better than wrestling in a submission fight but not in a "real fight" especially in the street,where to go on the ground it's not so easy,since a road could be much harder than a mat or a tatami....
yiamamoto 1 year ago
Actually i think is pretty lame to think that bjj is better than wrestling.....
Since this is submission wrestling fight i think it's common at the end the bjj guy win the fight since submissions is bjj priority.
It would be better to fight a guy from judo,sambo or pankration.
Anyway i think is lame to think that bjj is better than wrestling,since in MMA fights wrestlers tend to give a hard day at ground fighters cause of their takedown defence....
yiamamoto 1 year ago
Congrats to Hardian........ a chin to the eye is most painful.
tsunetani 1 year ago