In my view grammar schools should be introduced again. I myself went to one (a private grammar school) but before i went to a primary (state) school. I knew people who if grammar schools were still up and running, would have been able to go to one. They were equally as intelligent as me yet the only reason they could not go to one was because the only grammar schools in the area were private.
The tories are too tame and unsure of themselves nowadays, remember the days where the difference between tories and labour was huge, Thatcher vs the labour left. Nowadays, they are too similar, i am still tory, but where is your backbone? Where is the grass roots conservative thought?
Bloody hell I would have LOVED the chance to go to a grammer school! I was one of 9% of people in my high school to achieve 5 or more Scottish Highers. I always ask myself that if my parents had sent me to a better school, would I have been capable of getting better grades to get into a better University? I suppose so. Effectively, introducing grammer schools would promote equality, for those in gash schools, like me, with good grades would get a better chance to go to a better university.
@PureJockPureBrit I had the same problem. There were only 4 Advanced Higher classes in my high school and it wasn't technically possible to get the 3/4 + Advanced Highers necessary for Oxbridge, so even those of us who got all A's at Higher couldn't go to Oxbridge.
I would have loved to learn fluent modern languages and Latin, but that requires disciplined classes and that's impossible when teachers are forced to teach uninterested people who'd rather be doing technical/vocational learning.
education of the forties was a joke for some. No such thing as Ofsted back then, and a school could do as they like. My dad went to a catholic school where education was actually banned (50's)! Yes that's right! A new teacher who tried to teach maths was told off. Luckily he was able to make up for it later on!
The point isn't envy; its about recognising who can contribute the most. sets offer a fine and perfect way of distributing resources between ability. There is no reason in the rational universe why we should send the most apparently able to another school. its outdated and pointless and a big let down for what could be a good political party. This is idiocy at its highest level. Please UKIP steer clear of this short sighted foolishness!!!
Its not fair getting 11 yr olds, making them take an IQ test, which apparently is supposed to measure out their entire future, when it just doesn't work. That old system belongs in an era where most people worked in industry and had less need of education. Today, education is the norm in most developed countries. What is needed is motivation and discipline spread evenly across the pupils ability groups. People move up and down in ability as they develop too.
My science group did their double science in yr10, then a triple science in yr11. The fact they had to share the same playground with kids who just got one science grade was not too detrimental for them. The world needs rounded people.
I think paying them a cash reward or prize for grades in tests and exams is correct; its the way the real world works. Some punishments for the very worst cases of disrespect and misbehaviour should be brought back, though only in rare circumstances.
@geoffart Ask any employer and they'll tell you that exam passes have become worthless bits of paper. Life's not fair and competition is good, that's a basic lesson that children should learn to prepare them for economic meltdown.
If you asked the taxpayer to fund the little darlings with cash rewards then you'll find out very quickly why this is just pie in the sky.
run a trial; I think that if cash rewards were given, then there would be a marked improvement. Its a fact that the teen brain has a real problem being able to see consequences; that's why their insurance is so high. But they understand reward.
Anyway, competition is good, but we cant make decisions about children's future at age 11; It just doesn't work. As I said, people develop at different rates, and you would be throwing some very talented and bright kids into the rubbish bin.
I'm not focusing on whether kids feel equal; although that would be nice, the world is competitive. But the kids should feel that there is everything to play for at ever part of their education. And that is why we have the set system, rather than different schools. I guarantee than many of the best future academics will fail the 11+ and end up in one of your non academic schools.
I know of state schools that have been turned around from failing to absolutely high performing. There is one such school near me that was 'challenging', but is now high achieving. It can be done. Labour have suffocated all the services with silly little targets to the point where they've lost track of the real goals. The answer isn't to ditch people and write them off at age11 though.
@geoffart There's clearly a solution to that problem. The Germans have got it right: provide different kinds of education with respected qualifications. Grammar schools + good technical schools = solution.
Selection shouldn't be about writing people off, but recognising that all children are different and have different skills. That may be unacceptable to some, but it's one reason why our economy is in the pits and why it's so much harder for people from modest backgrounds to make it big today.
My view is we need more personalised help, especially in subjects like maths and science. Teacher can not always spot the ones who get stuck (and haven't got time to really help them); they need one-to-one. That either means smaller class sizes, or you get more teaching assistants that have knowledge of the subject matter and pay them a small amount. Uni students would be a good choice.
Having grammar schools is opening a 21 century can or worms and will create resentment in children who naturally develop later. 11 + is just stupid. 11 is way too young to decide kids wont amount to much academically.
hmm, doesn't quite work as simply as that. my dad is software and hardware engineer, but failed eleven plus, and had to put in extra effort in adult life because back in 50's the ordinary schools didn't offer an OK education. I went to school in the 90's, I now specialise in quantum mechanics but would have failed any eleven plus, because I simply was behind at eleven (slower development you see). Pretty rubbish system if you ask me. Only idiots would bring it back.
what the three main parties want is a dumbed down society ...boozed up feeling worthless ...much easier to control and slide creepy laws past a loss of liberty and freedoms
it is an excellent thing, but it should only exist in classes, not entire schools, because then they still get the same funding which is much fairer. the smarter kids still do better but the less intelligent ones still get good funding to help educate them.
not really they're just a way of filtering the middle classes from the working class, as middle class families can afford private tutors to help their kids pass the 11+
but some hardworking kids revise on their lonesome from less wealthy backgrounds and go to grammar schools for the better education, then realise that the system is totally flawed. then make a youtube profile called Marnerbanana and watch videos like this
Nigel Farage is one of the very few people I would like to see running this country. He talks what every other politician does not COMMON SENSE! It is just a pleasure to listen to the best politician of our time!
Farage is (as usual) correct. I'm working class and thank God for my Grammar School education. The Etonians just don't like the fact that we get to our schools through ability rather than money.
@danny88101 Yep. The "big three" have created a system in which the only kind of selection that is allowed is on the basis of wealth. And they call this a more fair system!
There were flaws in the Tripartite system (disproportional funding; the lack of prestigious technical/vocational qualifications for the junior secondaries/secondary moderns etc.) but these could have been reformed without ruining the entire education system.
I dont get what the conservative guy is trying to say about the education system. He is saying that by the time students get to 11+, their ability or whatever has been determined. I dont see where grammar schools come into that - surely you want to go back to square one and improve whatever it is that drags students behind in the first place? THEN worry about the direction you take them afterwards. Or have i missed something?
They show Nigel in the beginning showing his stance, and then turn him off. Then you get Willetts up there to say everything against him and not let Nigel talk back, and people probably won't remember what Nigel said. Total bullshit.
What would UKIP do with the kids who can't get in to grammer school? put them in workhouses maybe? And I bet the non grammer school kids wouldn't get equal funding. If a child's intelligent they will perform well in any school. All comps have a banding system, which divides kids into ability and that is adequate enough. What next do UKIP want schools segregated by race! Nasty Conservative little Englanders.
'Tell that to the bright kids in sink hole schools' Tell average kids that sink hole schools is all their good for. Socialist want equal opportunities for all not just for those who are already privileged by being born intelligent. UKIP's policies will just lead to an even more unequal society, neo feudalism combined with meritocracy.
Like you've never made a grammatical mistake (I meant to put they're not their). As for your question; parents try and get their kids into any good school because they value education and this goes for parents of children with average intelligence. Under UKIP's system children of average intelligence will automatically be denied the right to a good school. UKIP's policies are so flawed and out of touch with reality. If they ever got into power they'd leave too many people marginalised.
DON'T copy what I say please. What patarciepaul is trying to say like I said before,where would the children with an average IQ rate and learning
disabilties ( E.G autism and other brain ) disorders )go to learn? That UKIP guy in the video DID say those with a high IQ, and that is discrimination, look ukipwebmaster, you have your poltical beliefs and so do I, but I don't think it is fair those with a high IQ should be treated better than anyone else? DO you?
Discrimination is a demonised word. It only means selection. If you are selecting people by race then this is clearly immoral and makes you incredibly ignorant too. If you select by talent/ability (something you potentially can influence) then theres surely nothign wrong with that. No one gets denied their education, you just go somewhere else to do it. And even if you separate autistic students, maybe you can better provide for them in a separate facility.
Are you having a one-man competition to put forward as many strawman arguments in 1 post as possible?
1. Of course UKIP don't want kids not in grammar schools in workhouses, a blatant smear.
2. What you "bet" is irrelevant, where's your evidence?
3. "If a child's intelligent they will perform well in any school" - I'm proud to say that I think academic kids deserve better than victims of a lottery where they could be sent to an awful school.
Wait! When he said at 1,14 ' The brightest kids' What about those with average and learning dificulties? Why is it that most politicians are more interested to those with a high IQ than thoese with an average IQ. I think that they get left out a lot and also I strongly disaprove with this issue with schools and how it is run.
Wait! When you just said 'The kids with average and learning difficulties?' What about the brightest? Why is it that most left leaning commentators are more interested in those with an average IQ than those with a high IQ. I think that they get left out a lot and also I strongly disapprove with this issue with schools and how it is run.
(Now, just imagine if you went to a school that taught you how to spell?)
All children deserve better and one size doesn't fit all.
The 11 plus system was abolished in nearly every other county over 30 years ago because it was no use to people and it did not give any student a future. I live in Kent and I am still appauled with that system.
Grammar schools I strongly think should not pick students to join the school. Students should have an easy option to "HIGH EDUCATION". So from what i understand grammar schools rake in all the rich and wealthy and extremely clever students.
I wholeheartedly agree. I come from a quindessential working class background and area and at my school (I'm 16 and doing A levels) I know students more academically able than others and would be delighted with a non-bourgeois-centred grammar school to excel without heinously being dragged back in a comp. school
And at a time when Labour and the Tories are desperate to reform education! Ridiculous. We need to represent children from poorer backgrounds and equally eliminate snobbish classism.
Wait a minute so ur saying that the child of 2 surgeons are not going to a grammar school. I go to a grammar school and simply put it poorer backgrounds are just well represented
I go to a grammar schools and i'm not rich and most of the ppl in my class aren't rich either. ppl sterotipacly think tht all kids in grammar schools are rich but actually ppl who go to private paying schools r normally rich.
I go to a grammar school, and i'm proud to say that a lot of the people who come to my school are from complete different backgrounds. With an offer of scholarships, there is NO reason for the working class not to come from our school.
What alot of crap. Grammer schools select at 11. Middle class parents coach and cram their off spring to pass these exams. Bright pupils will do well where ever they are through streaming and setting. They will probably get a more well rounded education in a state school were you can mix and learn to deal with people from all walks of life. Not just a grammer school exam factory.
It helps because those that have different skills are helped in different ways rather than being treated as if they all had the same skill-sets. This is a 2 way street that helps everyone - "or do some people not matter?" You do support 'diversity in education' don't you?
That is the point in setting, there is no need to send them to a different school. They do the same subject and teachers teach both groups. This is not learning disability pupil v a prodigy. The middle do not need to be separated to the extent you say. this allows people to move up and down a set easily, without moving school.
If you can see past that chip on your shoulder perhaps you might understand that allowing people aspire to greater things is good, rather than simply doling out a piece of paper to everyone in the name of your Utopian Equality?
(0) These people have NO IDEA what they are talking about! I currently attend a grammar school in Liverpool and can tell you that the people who attend it are there not on the basis of their wealth whatsoever! Only after getting to know people would you know whether or not they were in, what these bureaucrats call, "poverty". And I know plenty of people who are.
(1) Entrance into my school is based purely on meritocracy and has no connection, in the slightest, to the affluence of that person. A child from a rich family can't buy intelligence as these Conservatives would seem to suggest.
These toffs from Eton have no idea what our education system is actually like, or at least they are too ignorant to acknowledge reality.
(2) I can tell you, the issue of discipline and lack of respect in many schools is far more salient than 'good results'. You have to ask yourself what you want the ethos of our system to be; a system that teaches a student to pass an exam, treating them merely as a statistic and then pushing them out into society, or one that produces decent, law abiding, politically aware and hard working people who will form the next generation of our country?
(3) Of course there is no reason why we can't have both. They are both equally important. Yet these politicians seem to only care about the former. I suppose because it's more difficult to produce bureacratic, egoistical and meaningless statistics about the latter.
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hoplite46 6 months ago
This is so true! There are kids who arnt academic and there are some who are; they should be separate.
will34uk 8 months ago
Bring back grammar schools.
Fleshious 11 months ago
In my view grammar schools should be introduced again. I myself went to one (a private grammar school) but before i went to a primary (state) school. I knew people who if grammar schools were still up and running, would have been able to go to one. They were equally as intelligent as me yet the only reason they could not go to one was because the only grammar schools in the area were private.
Gladiator12499 11 months ago
The tories are too tame and unsure of themselves nowadays, remember the days where the difference between tories and labour was huge, Thatcher vs the labour left. Nowadays, they are too similar, i am still tory, but where is your backbone? Where is the grass roots conservative thought?
Tracywithafacey 1 year ago
Bloody hell I would have LOVED the chance to go to a grammer school! I was one of 9% of people in my high school to achieve 5 or more Scottish Highers. I always ask myself that if my parents had sent me to a better school, would I have been capable of getting better grades to get into a better University? I suppose so. Effectively, introducing grammer schools would promote equality, for those in gash schools, like me, with good grades would get a better chance to go to a better university.
PureJockPureBrit 1 year ago
@PureJockPureBrit I had the same problem. There were only 4 Advanced Higher classes in my high school and it wasn't technically possible to get the 3/4 + Advanced Highers necessary for Oxbridge, so even those of us who got all A's at Higher couldn't go to Oxbridge.
I would have loved to learn fluent modern languages and Latin, but that requires disciplined classes and that's impossible when teachers are forced to teach uninterested people who'd rather be doing technical/vocational learning.
Myndir 9 months ago
isn't it funny how education in India is superior to that of the UK's.
Bring back the education of the 40's
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
education of the forties was a joke for some. No such thing as Ofsted back then, and a school could do as they like. My dad went to a catholic school where education was actually banned (50's)! Yes that's right! A new teacher who tried to teach maths was told off. Luckily he was able to make up for it later on!
geoffart 1 year ago
The point isn't envy; its about recognising who can contribute the most. sets offer a fine and perfect way of distributing resources between ability. There is no reason in the rational universe why we should send the most apparently able to another school. its outdated and pointless and a big let down for what could be a good political party. This is idiocy at its highest level. Please UKIP steer clear of this short sighted foolishness!!!
geoffart 1 year ago
The system you seem to want has mostly been in place for quite a few years and it's proved an utter disaster.
So you want more of the same?
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
Its not fair getting 11 yr olds, making them take an IQ test, which apparently is supposed to measure out their entire future, when it just doesn't work. That old system belongs in an era where most people worked in industry and had less need of education. Today, education is the norm in most developed countries. What is needed is motivation and discipline spread evenly across the pupils ability groups. People move up and down in ability as they develop too.
geoffart 1 year ago
My science group did their double science in yr10, then a triple science in yr11. The fact they had to share the same playground with kids who just got one science grade was not too detrimental for them. The world needs rounded people.
I think paying them a cash reward or prize for grades in tests and exams is correct; its the way the real world works. Some punishments for the very worst cases of disrespect and misbehaviour should be brought back, though only in rare circumstances.
geoffart 1 year ago
@geoffart Ask any employer and they'll tell you that exam passes have become worthless bits of paper. Life's not fair and competition is good, that's a basic lesson that children should learn to prepare them for economic meltdown.
If you asked the taxpayer to fund the little darlings with cash rewards then you'll find out very quickly why this is just pie in the sky.
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
run a trial; I think that if cash rewards were given, then there would be a marked improvement. Its a fact that the teen brain has a real problem being able to see consequences; that's why their insurance is so high. But they understand reward.
Anyway, competition is good, but we cant make decisions about children's future at age 11; It just doesn't work. As I said, people develop at different rates, and you would be throwing some very talented and bright kids into the rubbish bin.
geoffart 1 year ago
You're contradicting yourself.
Won't the children who fail to get 'cash rewards' feel left out and be thrown into the 'rubbish bin'?
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
I'm not focusing on whether kids feel equal; although that would be nice, the world is competitive. But the kids should feel that there is everything to play for at ever part of their education. And that is why we have the set system, rather than different schools. I guarantee than many of the best future academics will fail the 11+ and end up in one of your non academic schools.
geoffart 1 year ago
Why is it that independent schools fare better?
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
I know of state schools that have been turned around from failing to absolutely high performing. There is one such school near me that was 'challenging', but is now high achieving. It can be done. Labour have suffocated all the services with silly little targets to the point where they've lost track of the real goals. The answer isn't to ditch people and write them off at age11 though.
geoffart 1 year ago
@geoffart There's clearly a solution to that problem. The Germans have got it right: provide different kinds of education with respected qualifications. Grammar schools + good technical schools = solution.
Selection shouldn't be about writing people off, but recognising that all children are different and have different skills. That may be unacceptable to some, but it's one reason why our economy is in the pits and why it's so much harder for people from modest backgrounds to make it big today.
Myndir 9 months ago
My view is we need more personalised help, especially in subjects like maths and science. Teacher can not always spot the ones who get stuck (and haven't got time to really help them); they need one-to-one. That either means smaller class sizes, or you get more teaching assistants that have knowledge of the subject matter and pay them a small amount. Uni students would be a good choice.
geoffart 1 year ago
Having grammar schools is opening a 21 century can or worms and will create resentment in children who naturally develop later. 11 + is just stupid. 11 is way too young to decide kids wont amount to much academically.
geoffart 1 year ago
So we base education policy on the fact that children are envious of other children?
Very New Labour - start the politics of envy early.
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
hmm, doesn't quite work as simply as that. my dad is software and hardware engineer, but failed eleven plus, and had to put in extra effort in adult life because back in 50's the ordinary schools didn't offer an OK education. I went to school in the 90's, I now specialise in quantum mechanics but would have failed any eleven plus, because I simply was behind at eleven (slower development you see). Pretty rubbish system if you ask me. Only idiots would bring it back.
geoffart 1 year ago
So the brighter kids have to suffer?
ukipwebmaster 1 year ago
UKIP is doomed to remain on the political fringes. When the Tories win the next election, you won't know what's hit you!
DavidCameron4UK 2 years ago
Doomed?
Are you Private Frazer?
ukipwebmaster 2 years ago
what the three main parties want is a dumbed down society ...boozed up feeling worthless ...much easier to control and slide creepy laws past a loss of liberty and freedoms
UKIP !!! all the way
snaed27 2 years ago
it is an excellent thing, but it should only exist in classes, not entire schools, because then they still get the same funding which is much fairer. the smarter kids still do better but the less intelligent ones still get good funding to help educate them.
plus streaming kids at 11 is insanely early
Marnerbanana 2 years ago
ffs what they are saying keep the rich rich and minimize the poor chance of doing well.
Montreary 2 years ago
Grammar schools are all about social mobility where bright children from all backgrounds have a chance to do well in life.
ukipwebmaster 2 years ago
But inevitably, because they are also given preferential support & funding, it has the side effect of taking resources from the poor.
I'm all for grammar schools, but you can hardly bill them as a leftist's dream.
molewizard 2 years ago
not really they're just a way of filtering the middle classes from the working class, as middle class families can afford private tutors to help their kids pass the 11+
but some hardworking kids revise on their lonesome from less wealthy backgrounds and go to grammar schools for the better education, then realise that the system is totally flawed. then make a youtube profile called Marnerbanana and watch videos like this
Marnerbanana 2 years ago
Nigel Farage is one of the very few people I would like to see running this country. He talks what every other politician does not COMMON SENSE! It is just a pleasure to listen to the best politician of our time!
Ul3ter4ever 2 years ago 14
Farage is (as usual) correct. I'm working class and thank God for my Grammar School education. The Etonians just don't like the fact that we get to our schools through ability rather than money.
danny88101 2 years ago 6
much fairer to just have comprehensives across the country and stream kids according to skill every year into top & bottom classes.
grammar schools just seperate them at 11 and eat the funding.
Marnerbanana 2 years ago
@danny88101 Yep. The "big three" have created a system in which the only kind of selection that is allowed is on the basis of wealth. And they call this a more fair system!
There were flaws in the Tripartite system (disproportional funding; the lack of prestigious technical/vocational qualifications for the junior secondaries/secondary moderns etc.) but these could have been reformed without ruining the entire education system.
I REALLY like UKIP on this policy.
Myndir 9 months ago
farage is a gimp
lornaration 3 years ago
I use gimp all the time. Open source software for Linux.
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
not that gimp
lornaration 3 years ago
I dont get what the conservative guy is trying to say about the education system. He is saying that by the time students get to 11+, their ability or whatever has been determined. I dont see where grammar schools come into that - surely you want to go back to square one and improve whatever it is that drags students behind in the first place? THEN worry about the direction you take them afterwards. Or have i missed something?
spudpeel 3 years ago
AHHHHH the media, I see their tricks.
They show Nigel in the beginning showing his stance, and then turn him off. Then you get Willetts up there to say everything against him and not let Nigel talk back, and people probably won't remember what Nigel said. Total bullshit.
scientistwriter 3 years ago 2
Bring back grammer schools and leave everyone else on the scrap heap. UKIP love inequality.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
Abolish grammar schools and leave everyone on the scrap heap of Nu-Labour's education policy.
Yes in Nu-Lab world everyone is a loser, (and poor to boot).
Socialists love envy, it's their Raison d'être
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
At least under Labour's education system people have a chance.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
A chance to fail? - Spot on!
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
What would UKIP do with the kids who can't get in to grammer school? put them in workhouses maybe? And I bet the non grammer school kids wouldn't get equal funding. If a child's intelligent they will perform well in any school. All comps have a banding system, which divides kids into ability and that is adequate enough. What next do UKIP want schools segregated by race! Nasty Conservative little Englanders.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
"What would UKIP do with the kids who can't get in to grammer school? put them in workhouses maybe?" - Only in your dickensian fantasy.
"If a child's intelligent they will perform well in any school."
Tell that to the bright kids trapped in the sink hole schools.
".....which divides kids into ability and that is adequate enough."
Socialists wanting separation? - What will this lead to????
What do the far left want next? - No education for everbody? Nasty creepy little authoritarians.
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
'Tell that to the bright kids in sink hole schools' Tell average kids that sink hole schools is all their good for. Socialist want equal opportunities for all not just for those who are already privileged by being born intelligent. UKIP's policies will just lead to an even more unequal society, neo feudalism combined with meritocracy.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
"Tell average kids that sink hole schools 'is' all 'their' good for" - You said it in two!
If the school you went to had tailored their teaching to your abilities, you'd at least be able to use the correct words......
Why do you think parents are desperate to get their offspring into any good school?
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
Like you've never made a grammatical mistake (I meant to put they're not their). As for your question; parents try and get their kids into any good school because they value education and this goes for parents of children with average intelligence. Under UKIP's system children of average intelligence will automatically be denied the right to a good school. UKIP's policies are so flawed and out of touch with reality. If they ever got into power they'd leave too many people marginalised.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
You're becoming a comment hog so this will be my last reply to you.
Under our system, kids of all intelligence will be given the education best suited their needs and abilities which will allow them to flourish.
Under your system everything is dumbed down in the name of 'equality' with bad education for all.
Why do all those champagne socialists in Nu-Lab send their children to the best schools available? Do as I say not as I do.
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
For your information I'm no fan of NuLabour.
patarciepaul 3 years ago
DON'T copy what I say please. What patarciepaul is trying to say like I said before,where would the children with an average IQ rate and learning
disabilties ( E.G autism and other brain ) disorders )go to learn? That UKIP guy in the video DID say those with a high IQ, and that is discrimination, look ukipwebmaster, you have your poltical beliefs and so do I, but I don't think it is fair those with a high IQ should be treated better than anyone else? DO you?
ukburger 3 years ago
I think it's fair that those with educational problems should be given the proper teaching they need just as those who are bright. DON'T you?
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
Yes of course that is what I mean, thanks.
ukburger 3 years ago
Discrimination is a demonised word. It only means selection. If you are selecting people by race then this is clearly immoral and makes you incredibly ignorant too. If you select by talent/ability (something you potentially can influence) then theres surely nothign wrong with that. No one gets denied their education, you just go somewhere else to do it. And even if you separate autistic students, maybe you can better provide for them in a separate facility.
spudpeel 3 years ago
Are you having a one-man competition to put forward as many strawman arguments in 1 post as possible?
1. Of course UKIP don't want kids not in grammar schools in workhouses, a blatant smear.
2. What you "bet" is irrelevant, where's your evidence?
3. "If a child's intelligent they will perform well in any school" - I'm proud to say that I think academic kids deserve better than victims of a lottery where they could be sent to an awful school.
4. "schools segregated by race" -incoherent smear
grayabc1234 3 years ago
Wait! When he said at 1,14 ' The brightest kids' What about those with average and learning dificulties? Why is it that most politicians are more interested to those with a high IQ than thoese with an average IQ. I think that they get left out a lot and also I strongly disaprove with this issue with schools and how it is run.
ukburger 3 years ago 2
Wait! When you just said 'The kids with average and learning difficulties?' What about the brightest? Why is it that most left leaning commentators are more interested in those with an average IQ than those with a high IQ. I think that they get left out a lot and also I strongly disapprove with this issue with schools and how it is run.
(Now, just imagine if you went to a school that taught you how to spell?)
All children deserve better and one size doesn't fit all.
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
That is becasue the UKIP and the tories are no different. You are the same and DON'T denie it because you are.
ukburger 3 years ago 2
That is because Nu-Labour and Blu-Labour are no different. You are the same and DON'T deny it because you are.
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
The 11 plus system was abolished in nearly every other county over 30 years ago because it was no use to people and it did not give any student a future. I live in Kent and I am still appauled with that system.
chsbcg 3 years ago
"I live in Kent and I am still appauled with that system."
So you want to keep everyone in their place?
ukipwebmaster 3 years ago
Grammar schools I strongly think should not pick students to join the school. Students should have an easy option to "HIGH EDUCATION". So from what i understand grammar schools rake in all the rich and wealthy and extremely clever students.
mentalmotions 4 years ago
So "extremely clever students" should have their ability lowered and those who are not so clever should stay where they are?
Typical socialist thinking which has been adopted by the conservatives.
ukipwebmaster 4 years ago
I wholeheartedly agree. I come from a quindessential working class background and area and at my school (I'm 16 and doing A levels) I know students more academically able than others and would be delighted with a non-bourgeois-centred grammar school to excel without heinously being dragged back in a comp. school
And at a time when Labour and the Tories are desperate to reform education! Ridiculous. We need to represent children from poorer backgrounds and equally eliminate snobbish classism.
Kypros 4 years ago
Wait a minute so ur saying that the child of 2 surgeons are not going to a grammar school. I go to a grammar school and simply put it poorer backgrounds are just well represented
Luwiigi 4 years ago
I go to a grammar schools and i'm not rich and most of the ppl in my class aren't rich either. ppl sterotipacly think tht all kids in grammar schools are rich but actually ppl who go to private paying schools r normally rich.
dizzlar 4 years ago
I go to a grammar school, and i'm proud to say that a lot of the people who come to my school are from complete different backgrounds. With an offer of scholarships, there is NO reason for the working class not to come from our school.
NotafraidtoROCK 4 years ago
David Willets selling away Grammar Schools. He represents the Constituency UKIP Havant is based in. VOTE UKIP!
UKIPHavant 4 years ago
What alot of crap. Grammer schools select at 11. Middle class parents coach and cram their off spring to pass these exams. Bright pupils will do well where ever they are through streaming and setting. They will probably get a more well rounded education in a state school were you can mix and learn to deal with people from all walks of life. Not just a grammer school exam factory.
SFYDUROSE 4 years ago
It helps because those that have different skills are helped in different ways rather than being treated as if they all had the same skill-sets. This is a 2 way street that helps everyone - "or do some people not matter?" You do support 'diversity in education' don't you?
ukipwebmaster 4 years ago
That is the point in setting, there is no need to send them to a different school. They do the same subject and teachers teach both groups. This is not learning disability pupil v a prodigy. The middle do not need to be separated to the extent you say. this allows people to move up and down a set easily, without moving school.
cacaccacacacca 4 years ago
It is middle class snobs who support grammar school system don't pretend you are standing up for working class.
lonympics 4 years ago 2
If you can see past that chip on your shoulder perhaps you might understand that allowing people aspire to greater things is good, rather than simply doling out a piece of paper to everyone in the name of your Utopian Equality?
ukipwebmaster 4 years ago
I do not have chip on my shoulder. I want people to aspire, so how is seperating people at twelve going to help people. Or do some people not matter.
lonympics 4 years ago
Willetts = muppet
rawcarrot 4 years ago
Willetts was pwned
mkpdavies 4 years ago
(0) These people have NO IDEA what they are talking about! I currently attend a grammar school in Liverpool and can tell you that the people who attend it are there not on the basis of their wealth whatsoever! Only after getting to know people would you know whether or not they were in, what these bureaucrats call, "poverty". And I know plenty of people who are.
kzearo 4 years ago
(1) Entrance into my school is based purely on meritocracy and has no connection, in the slightest, to the affluence of that person. A child from a rich family can't buy intelligence as these Conservatives would seem to suggest.
These toffs from Eton have no idea what our education system is actually like, or at least they are too ignorant to acknowledge reality.
kzearo 4 years ago
(2) I can tell you, the issue of discipline and lack of respect in many schools is far more salient than 'good results'. You have to ask yourself what you want the ethos of our system to be; a system that teaches a student to pass an exam, treating them merely as a statistic and then pushing them out into society, or one that produces decent, law abiding, politically aware and hard working people who will form the next generation of our country?
kzearo 4 years ago
(3) Of course there is no reason why we can't have both. They are both equally important. Yet these politicians seem to only care about the former. I suppose because it's more difficult to produce bureacratic, egoistical and meaningless statistics about the latter.
kzearo 4 years ago
It's only a shame Nigel and Willetts couldn't be there at the same time.
Willetts had no argument, Nigel could have wiped the floor with him.
tito2502 4 years ago