Killer 7 - Target 05: Smile - Part 2 (9/9)

[MsMeatetarian]

2:36 Timmy Turner is Kaede Smith!?

[Magmus456]

I love the dying laughter at the end.

[hedgehoundable]

That poor wheelchair...

[zululululululul]

i think the point of this game is to visualise the mind of a mentally sick person. the smiles are just his delusions and so is everything else encluding the player. it makes no sense because this is not sane. the simplest explanation to the story is that he is just a hired gun and the only real thing are the targets but everything else is his sickness. the game is charming in that way.

[tehmoozorz]

Are Harman and Kun Lan real or not...?i thought that the first "end" meant that all of this was bits of reality mixed in with the delusions of Emir... but after lion i can't tell.

[thezec]

my interpretation is the people did exist but harman has their souls inside his head

none of the assasinations happened it was just a chess game

im not sure bah

DID I GET IT RIGHT SUDA? DID I GET IT RIGHT MR GOICHI FUCKING SAN!!!!???

XD

[thezec]

@thezec actually I've now finished this myself instead of watching scenes and it seems clearer to me

this games a bit like a tarantino film, I have to watch some of them about twice before I have an idea XD

[GermanZ5]

garcian smith: a badass black man who is a vampire and can shapeshit into 6 different people by holding thier weapons. he is commanded by some old guy in a wheelchair. 

[pyrolee17]

@GermanZ5 best HBO seires ever

[Spaghettiiiiiiiiiiii]

So.. You were all the time a 13-year old black guy with three eyes and a beard?

And you could see ghosts and shit?

[LOOKTHEREAGAIN]

This is....sad. I don't know if anything is real anymore (just kidding) but jesus, it makes so little sence but the story is gripping, i didn't see this a mile off.

[Slinker19]

WHERED HE GET A MACHINE GUN FROM?!

[lnc0]

Young harman's allways had a machine gun?

In Killer8 difficulty he has one

[TheStorz76]

so brutal

[ISeeWhatYouDidThere7]

Now I understand why Garcian's forehead started to bleed in the school when you picked up the Odd Engraving from the safe- his third eye was trying to open.

[Mrkaruno]

so who the hell was the guy with the umm eye ball on his forehead his brother or something?

[mcremi]

its himself, he kills all the killer seven assasins including himself

[spardante2000]

when he was only 13 years old >=P

[khesed]

WOW this game was twisted.

[Lifeswipe]

I didn't think Garcian would be so shaken up in discovering that he was a killer. I mean, he's still an assassin right now, and has been for over 40 missions, right?

Or could he have developed a real attachment to the Killer7 team, and can't handle the revelation that he killed his comrades? That doesn't seem too likely, seeing as the team could never even interact with each other.

Then again, what do I know about murder and its psychological effects.

[spardante2000]

i think he was more shaken up because of the fact that he found out that he was an assassin and dead since he was 13 :P

[selemanecu]

@Lifeswipe you seem to forget that Emir was recruited by Young/Human Harman Smith (who was also the Principal of Coburn Elementary School and worked for Kun Lan a not God/ Hassidic Harman) he knew them and also this personality (Garcian) is being described in a way that he can't even harm a fly that's why he was shocked.

[Franc849]

omegaevolution one question, Garcia Smith for that he killed the others?, because killed

[thps48]

GREENSLEEVES! Man, I'm stupid. Find out for yourself what I'm talking about.

[cooblor]

the end music doesnt help :(

dont cry garcie

oh and by the about him not noticing the weapons when you collect the headbag is because its probably afterwards the events. Notice the curtains and the stage whne collecting a headbag its the same as at the elementary school implying its after most of the events, (which would be Garcian's recollection) and the game probably doesnt start following real time until after the fight with Greg Nightmare,

*contd*

[Combiner81]

wut

[crabalockerfishwife6]

still don't get wtf is going on with that forbidden room :s

[cooblor]

if you recognize the weapon, its young harmans

from when you get to play as him in killer8 mode

the deal with harman is that theres only one real one

which could be the one that interacts with Kun lan and fukushima, but the rest are all fakes

its a key point that harmans a god he cant die so that immediatley cancels out the one found dead in safe

im pretty sure young harman was just someone hired from the government tokeep an eye 0n garcian, the rest im not 100% sure

[cooblor]

oh and in the forbidden room i dont think those are real physical bodys i think its a metaphor of the struggle of good and evil inside emir/garcian

jut as the screaming in the trailerhouse is probably garcians hidden side that he's not aware of

[Vorhias]

Deep.

[slicer3889]

i still dont get it

[BlakcKun]

Must be glad to be done that again. xD

[Apimpnamedeman]

oh Man i feel bad for garcian if i didnt remember killing 6 people and saw my past that it was me who did it i would cry like seriously then saw myself with red eyes looking evil then shot myself (Dont post any bad comments on me please I know it's a game but you know how people get when your watching a movie like "the sixth man" with marlone waynes and that basketball player and in the movie the brother dies

[Syrenav]

...wow. Dan's a badass to the end, huh? XD. but...wow. this just left me speechless. Completely speechless. Especially at the end: "that wonderful smile is gone for eternity". This is just amazing. Truly amazing. I...I am glad I watched this, because to me this game is just as fun to watch as it is to play. Thank you for making this accessible to us all.

[pyrolee17]

@Syrenav thats suda for you

[EmoPaintedRed]

I really like the music at the end,this game looks awesome

[GenoWhirl24]

Lol, killed while playing chess

[zzatch20]

so Garcian got the personas by using there weapons? and what is with the 3rd eye

[windscar18]

The first answer; maybe something like that. It never really says how he got the Personas, so your guess is probably as good as mine.

The second answer; Remember Emir's conversation with Harman Smith just a few moments ago? How he said "Evil was opening its eyes within you" or something to that effect? That implies that the 3rd Eye is a sign of Garcian's evil half, the Emir that killed the Killer 7.

[soupa2]

just a question but why does garcian i mean emir have everyones weapons. i saw dans gun one of cons guns,keade's gun and masks explosive guns, cyote's gun, and i think i saw one of kevin's. what a bad way to end the game. well at least now i know how they all died. i find mask and cons deaths the most deserbing.

[omegaevolution]

he have them cause he killed them.

I disagree, I think its a good way to end this chapter, cause the game is not over... yet lol

[finalsurvivor1]

@soupa2 It's because Harman is not the dominant personality- Emir is. He is the Killer7. So he has all of their weapons.

P.S: How do you reply to multiple people in one post?

[FinalHype]

I´m not sure you noticed... but Garcian isn´t his real name... The tapes back at the school reveals his identity...

[0Sephraim0]

9Spoiler for those who havent seen the vid yet)

Someone help me out here, Garcian was the one killing everyone at the age 13, doing all of this when he was supposedly changing personalities (Dan and such) but was actually doing it himself? Is the game a flashback or is there something I'm missing this game completely lost me around Target 3 or4

[zzatch20]

i think garcian blocked out being emir and went a little crazy but i think in garcian's mind when he held their weapons he became the Killer 7

[Spiner1105]

The story is open to interpretation. Even "Hand in Killer7", the written version, takes a different route.

There aren't any set rules, but here's a few things that you should bear in mind when trying to understand it.

The young Harman, the old Harman in the trailer, and the old Harman that interacts directly with Kunlan are all valid incarnations of Harman and not delusions by Emir. Let me be clear, I include personas in my definition of valid incarnation.

-continued-

[Spiner1105]

Emir died on that roof at 13. Emir's gift was true sight. It was Harman who reincarnated Emir as Garcian. Yes, Harman is still stuffed in the school safe, but like I said, you have to accept that there are multiple valid incarnations of Harman.

Some of the killer7 have died and been reincarnated as a Smith persona even before meeting Emir. Coyote was killed by Dan during their rivalry (not mentioned in the game) and Dan was killed by Curtis Blackburn in a past life.

-continued-

[Spiner1105]

Garcian simply mimicking wouldn't have fooled the eyescanner leading to Curtis Blackburn or convinced Blackburn himself that Dan had become a black man, or the interactions with Trevor PearlHarbor identifying Dan rather than Garcian.

I consider things like Garcian not noticing the weapons whenever he placed the headbag of a fallen teammate inside of his case or the lack of direct interaction between the personas as concessions to gameplay and hardware than something conclusive.

[transendingtime]

I really like your theory, but, perhaps, do you believe that Emir's third eye might have more significance? I mean, the opening of a third eye, in many religions, means a higher state of consciousness. Even the health "bar" takes on the shape of an open eye that starts to close when the persona in close to death.

Now this is just a theory, but I believe that, by using his third eye, Emir/Garcian actually reincarnates, or projects forth, each of the personas

(contd.)

[transendingtime]

And that when the persona takes damage it interrupts Emir/Garcian's concentration which subsequently causes them to "die" once they take too much damage.

I believe the reason that Emir/Garcian can no longer summon the other personas after this point is due to the fact that his third eye (which was subdued by Harman so that he could act as a host for the other personas) has fully opened and he realizes there is no need to summon forth the other six because of his True Sight ability.

(contd.)

[transendingtime]

Additionally, I believe that Emir/Garcian summoned forth the other personas by using their weapons as a channeling tool or something to that effect. Now I could be wrong, but it does seem to make some kind of sense, at least to me.

Anyway, I was just drawing on the correlation between Harman's real last name being Deltahead, Emir having a third eye, and the whole persona business. Feel free to disagree.

[kluuuser]

I think that after Garcian "gained weapons and lost family, friends, happiness (or w/e)", and killed himself, Harman (human possessed by a god) reincarnated Garcian to redeem himself of the evil he committed.

The terrorist HS attacks were real, so Harman wanted reincarnated Emir aka Garcian to stop Kun Lan's minions and the interference in politics (Kun Lan's hand and his mind altering capabilities).

[kluuuser]

After the school principal battle (when all persona die) is when Garcian decides he must reveal the truth about his past since Harman decided to just reincarnate him as an adult (iunno beats me why).

So he gets the golden gun (james bond allusion iunno) and finishes his task, banning the heaven smile from the earth forever.

definition of forever: until kun lan decides to do it again and screw with us earthly people because the gods are bored.

[kluuuser]

and then the whole cycle repeats where it's up to Harman to stop kun lan from messing with the mortals.

i am expressing this on a NON metaphorical point of view in the fact that EVERBODY physically existed (once or still is),

i admit that i still don't understand the plot fully and NEVER will. i don't think everything can be understood even after plot analysis from gamefaqs and everybody else who played the game.

it's so complex but at the same time enigmatic

it would make a great movie imo XD

[FoieGras]

I wonder...now that I think about it, Harman never mentioned anything about the guy in the safe being named "Harman." All he said was "their leader." From what we can tell, it may be someone named "Garcian," from whom Emir took his name from.

[FoieGras]

Yes. I think that's right since in the letters to Emir, they never mention anything about a Harman, but they do mention something about a Garcian

[FoieGras]

And also, it may be that Emir might not have literally died on the roof. Instead, he simply lost his memories, closing his third eye. The last encounter may be the two sides of Emir facing off against each other, and, depending on what you do in "Lion," either his Emir side or Garcian side survives.

[OrochiXI]

Poor Garcian...

[pokemaniac1993]

I find it ironic that Eagles is the last name of the person that played Garcian.