Dachians ahs nothing in comon with Vlach (romanian) population. Even the land where the Dachians lived and where the Vlachs has been formed is a distance of 2000 km.
Inteleg engleza, dar nu inteleg de ce cei care posteaza o fac in engleza cind e evident faptul ca sunt romani.Sau au impresia ca intereseaza discutia lor pe cineva din USA,GB,etc...?
Looks pretty good, like a lot of Hollywood big budgeters.Great to see epics from East Europe.I also like The Deluge 1974 from Poland set in the 17th century when Sweden invaded Poland.That also had Knights on Horses and a big budget.
Romanians were not civilized by roman empire.More like killed.Civilised means to be able to compete with them.Germanics were civilised by them because they defeated them, took their cities and ruled the empire for a thousand years.
The Germanic tribes only defeated the empire because of a series of very very unfortunate events, go learn some history...
And wow... the attack featured in this movie is probably the least Roman of strategies to be found, though i don't know much on this battle so i won't critise too much.
pretty much of a conflict out here... hey you guys out here who doubt romanians are dacians, come here to romania in a trip to see our customs and civilization. freaks !
Doar 20% din teritoriul daciei a fost sub ocupatie romana. E drept, cele mai bogate si importante ptovincii, dar asta nu schimba faptul ca dacii si-au pastrat cultura si civilizatia.
Suntem barbari pana in maduva oaselor, si asta se observa cu ochiul liber. ;)
Puo' essere vero che gli antichi romani abbiano occupato il 20% del territorio della Dacia,pero' una volta conquistare la capitale era come conquistare (almeno simbolicamente l'intera nazione) e poi il capo Decebal si e' suicidato,quindi di fatto la conquista degli antichi romani e' stata netta ed indiscutibile.
as for moldova in moldova the russians tryed to asimilate that part of romania that is why now moldova is a separate country and tzara romaneasca is the only one who remained unafected now who dares to say that romanian are not dacians that one must ask a history teacher or ask me
you are very wrong man the dacians are our ,my ,ancestors they are a part of the genesis of the romanian people the romans and the dacians and later the slavic invaders (the slavic invaders where asimilated in romanian space but outside the romanian space they becamed bulgarians hungarians russians) and later in the middle age the hungarinas tryed to asimilate the transilvanian people that is why in the present day in transilvania are hungarian people
What is your source or are you just spouting crap like most anti Daco-Romanians. Linguisticly, culturally and historically we have been Dacians. Dacias are Tracians who were a Pelagesiad tribe, the first one and we spoke "proto-latin". You can't latinize only 16 percent of the country and have it turn 100 percent over night
Exista o istorie oficiala si exista o istorie adevarata. Nu la Sumer a inceput civilizatia, ci in muntii Daciei (mai precis in zona Ardealului), indiferent cum se va fi chemat acest teritoriu atunci.
OK let it be, fact is that european civilization, especially was influenced by roman empire and earlier by greeaks and by ancient mesopotamic culture, from middle east. dacians later had a switching importance between these worlds without touch with major influence the history camed after. that's what in substance i wanted you've been aware about.
That's just silly. Read up more on the Carpathian-Danubian civilization. Dacian/Tracians were the first people in europe. Greeks and Romans didn't influence us, other way around.
de fapt, in epoca ionica, grecii au colonizat anumite localitati in jurului marii negre si dunarii... se spune ca tomis a fost un oras construit de greci intai, si apoi, dacii l-au reconstruit inainte de l-au distrus romanii si l-au inca odata, reconstruit dupa ce i-au cutrupit pe daci...
Hahaha, give it up man! The genetic research??? Show me the genetic proof...show me the DNA results that tell us that Dacians were more related to Hungarians. The Huns did not come to Europe until 5-6th century AD. Your history knowledge is laughable. For years Hungarians have desperately attempted to eradicate the history of Romania but with no success! You will never take our land nor our history so give it up!
well the hungarians could be realated to us because they are not really hungarians,hehe,didn't Burebista own Hungary too,so it makes sense that thracians stil lived there...just an opinion,there are romanians in Serbia that still keep the customs,aromanians language,customs,music
Non credo che e possibile, signore. Just one more thing for you skipper. In 2nd part of the 19th century Italians immigrated in Romania and even today are registered officially as a minority. Just remember that when you look really bad to a Romanian because you have no idea who is him.
Hmm, considering that you are a Jew, I suppose, it surprises me to see that you use similar theory to the one from the'30s of the Nazi related to Jesus. They were saying something about German mercenaries who were f... everything in Israel, including Mary and this is the reason why Jesus was with blue eyes. Actually we have no idea how he was looking and the theory might be a BS.
wrong! it proved the contrary pf what you said. I recommend you also to order the analysis (just 100USD) to see what you are actually. Just remember that Kazars are Jews by adoption of the religion and not by origin :). Only 12 tribes (a minority) decided to come back from Babylon.
dacians were known as social-cultural high developed society with tribal organized civil and political structure but was not an emperial-state like rome was. romans did know how to manage politicaly the different cultures in order their own interests can be fulfilled. dacians did not, that was the reason of complete assimilation and integration also of the language.
I disagree regarding the mention of the total asimilation including the one of the language. Until 10 years ago was considered that 100 words were still existing, now are mentioned about 300 words and also we have a new interesting theory that Dacians probably had a romanic like language this is sustained by the fact that Romanian is the only Latin language with Vulgar Latin at origin.
Also Serbians found in their linguistic study that some words used in Banat region (Romania, Serbia, Hungary) which were considered as slavic origin were actually Romanian at origin. The funny thing is the Romanian linguists consider these words still with Slavic origin :)
hey, you misunderstood me. I was just saying to Itzakwhatever on very short the nazi theories. Of course it can not be proved and of course it is just an aberration it has not even the slightest support. I was surprised he was using similar bullshit (BS) like the ones who persecuted his people.
Democrata2, that was Italian and not Dacian-Latin :). O visto quatro scuole! I was even in the damn historic contests between the schools during the communism era and it is not easy considering that my grandfathers were fascists. Please read completely what I was writing and ask me if you do not understand because the site it is not helping me to explain too good.
One more thing, I AM Roman-Catholic and in my family are also priests. I was just telling on short the theory from 80 years ago and I was surprised who re-used that theory. Is that all?
Lightxx, ok excuse me,i thought it was directed to me, cause i'm not jew and in italy this kind of fascist theories you put here with such lightness are considered an offensive and religion insulting statement. as most catholics were in italy, this is very sensible subject.
If you didn't know, romanians preferred nation are Italian. We have an expression: "The blood doesn't become water". Our nations are genetically, culturally and temperamentally related before or after dacian-roman wars. How could we insult our, let's say, cousins?
I know,in fact romanians can be thanksful to Trajanus that he conquested dacia and protected it from the parthians and other nomadic intrusers coming from asia. romans did open the door to christian civilzation for dacians. else you today would pray 4 4xtimes toward east and raising the ass against
In this point, our opinions are splitting up. I'm sure dacians would managed better the invasions of migrating populations without roman empire intervention. There wouldn't be any leg of a hun over here! On the other hand the turks were here for hundreds of years and no one mosque was build here...
nobody can anticipate the course of history with "if" and "could", facts are straight in europe's history.
turks were musulmans, at those times tolerant, never interested in exporting religions. christians were intersted to change the world in missions. today's vice-versa.
O Dacie care ar fi rezistat si romanilor nu ar mai fost ulterior cotropita de nimeni, niciodata. In alta ordine de idei, simburi ai crestinismului existau pe meleagurile noastre de multa vreme. A fost descoperit un artefact reprezentind pe Apollo (initial zeu pelasg apoi importat in Grecia)...crucificat! Piesa respectiva a fost datata pe la 600 i.e.n.
Neamul dac a fost puternic,nobilimea avea un nivel ridicat social si cultural, doar ca triburile nu erau unite si mult prea individualiste pt. a face fata puterii armatei
de mercenari al imperiului. ( "Razboaiele se cistiga cu bani"
de Talleyrand-Périgord, Ministrul de externe al lui Napoleon Bonaparte )
St. Andrei the first called was the one who brought Christianity to us, not Trajan. And we didn't need help from anyone to defend against the invading barbarian hordes. The invading barbarian hordes needed help defending themselves from us. Notice how many peoples pass through Dacia and how none of them stay?
coming back to the antic history and leaving the church things to God. At the end of the first war of Traian with Dacia, he demanded that Roman deserters and engineers should be sent to the Roman Empire. Dacians used the engineers to build their own war machines. OK I understand the demand for desrters, but were so many engineers? How big was this phenomenon?
paul9i; i guess there is no doubt that latin was born in latium in todays italy. but the roots are sure coming from somewhere from the east and south-east. there are no studies tellin' something else actually. latin could not come from the north, or north west. they had other roots those languages i suppose.greek was the official language beside latin in antique rome until about 150 a.d. and thracian and dacian had surely an important influence.
He changed the study :), actually 6the Transylvanians were considered the purest (no racial tendencies here :)) and closer to the old population. The DNA had a structure almost similar to the Greek one. The study was related to the Human Genom Project. They also offered the possibility, for 100$ to tell your DNA affiliation to a nation or other.
The Italian researcher Marco Merlini, the director of Prehistory Knowledge Project din Roma has a lot of articles regarding this subject, some of them presented at the Dacology International Congress, organized year by year in Bucharest by dr. Napoleon Savescu. For example "The deep roots of the Danube civilization" in 2005. I am not allowed to post here internet adresses, if you want I may send it to you.
Hey, I respect the dedication of dr. Savescu but too many times that congress it is going in fantasies story like. For example the idea of influencing the Egyptian culture. This is a complete BS! I think a real study of the ancient chronicles, sponsoring archaeological digs and bringing to the light the tablets from Sinaia would be 100x much better.
I agree to the possible theory that proto-latin was born after neolitical-revolution in balkan and caucasian regions and imported in todays middle Italy from where it emerged. In southern Italy and Sicilly other languages were also displaced in time.
Latin comes from Latium(Rome region)from our country and vulgar-latin was widely known in Thracia and Dacia at those times for many reasons. Latin was the most spoken international language at those times displacing earlier etruskian which had hellenistic alfabetic structure but reading from right to left like phoenicians.
you are right. I explained in another comment some things about twentyyearsafter theories. I am Romanian and I am convinced that the Romanian language developed from vulgar Latin and not Latin from dacian. The theories twentyyearsafter is presenting are not accepted in the Romanian Academia. The guy he is talking about (the Medical doctor I was telling you) is seen more as a lunatic than a historian in the Romanian universities; believe me, I have a BA in History.
I disagree! Today it is known that in the Early Middle Age (the Dark Age), due to not so much commerce and not safe roads were quite big differences between the language of the regions and traditions. This still can be seen today in Germany and France where the dialects have sometime really big differences. I have doubts that in antic times they had a better situation or a similar situation like the today phenomenon of massive assimilation of English words in all languages.
Is it possible that a short period of 165 years occupation of only 14% of the Dacian territory by Roman mercenaries caused the complete disappearance of the Dacian language, and replacing it by Latin? Doesn't it make more sense that the Indo-European language which emerged from the Carpatho-Danubian space, gave birth not only to the Sanskrit language, but also the "Romance" languages such as Latin?
OK, but dacians did speak a thracian language coming from the indo-german family from the east same as thraks in moesia inferior,actual bulgaria. has nothing to do with latin. i haven't found any book in italy saying something different.
You know, in Romania at Tartaria were discovered some slates inscripted with an old writing very similar to those discovered at Sumer, but ...two thousands years older. I dare to say indo-europeans didn't arrived here, but they left from here. There are some movies here, on youtube, at a romanian TV with a debate about that, with italian guests. Arivederci
I understan' only 10 % what they are saying there, anyway you will find lotsa more info's at roman-empire.dotnet. No doubt that dacian womens were very sexy and object of massive sexual abuse from roman soldiers.
...and last but not least Hadrian retired from Dacia with Legio V macedonica around 276 a.d. which was composed most by ilyric-albanian, gallic and germanic soldiers.immagine what a mix of genes there. the latin language was only administration language. no roman blood in romanian venes.
You forget something. Those were soldiers which came in the area. I am not saying that some reservists did not remain in the area, but I have doubts that they had an important impact on the population. Soldiers are rotated in the units.
i have little time now,coz of work-break, romanian language is latin origin and not the latin is thracian origin, if you want to say this ? the soldiers had sex, not only oral activity. the genes of nations are coming from sex not from speaking.hehehe, perhaps we italians are thracian origin. molto strano !
The most serious theories of Indo-European Origins propose that the homeland of the speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language is to be found in the Southeast Europe. This theory was most comprehensively proposed by the eminent Russian linguist and historian Igor M. Diakonov in his seminal paper [(1985). "On the Original Home of the Speakers of Indo-European." Journal of Indo-European Studies. Volume 13, p. 92]
And we know this from where? Do we have a study on Thracian or Dacian language? I remember a mention on the Human Genom Project which was saying that Transylvania was interesting due to similar but not identically DNA structure with Greeks. South of Romania posses a DNA structure closer to Bulgarians, Moldavian area had some mixture of both areas. I will try to find again that article.
well, i'm not a professional researcher, i'm a simple engineer interested in roman history as hobby. seems very keen to affirm dacians spoke a similar language as romans due to the fact of dacian-gheto-thrak origins. at the end also bulgarians were latins ? ...are you kidding ?
Bulgarians are slavs from Volga (volgarians - bulgarians) who invaded the area in the 6-th century BC (I red it on Balkantravel), therefore their language is close to the russian one. I see you are an Italian, don't you know that Roma is full of statues representing Dacians (around 70 in the whole Italy), minus bas-reliefs, four of them are in the heart of the old city, on Constantin's Arch. That should say something to you.
Dacians didn't speak a similar language to latin. What twentyyearsafter is saying is just bulshit. It is a "theory" by some doctor (medical doctor not history doctor) that seems to hate everything that was Roman and wants to prove that all things were invented in the territory where Romania lies today. If you want too learn more about Roman history just stick to mainstream history books.
You forget something. I would say also like you and the other people, but we do not have so many Dacians words or phrases to say 100% that Dacian was a satem language and not a centum one. Also how come that Romanian it is the only Latin language with Vulgar Latin at basis? The Roman theory start with Transylvanian School and had political basis. Almost everything was built on this theory!
Romans stayed here for 165 years, not for 300...this was the shortest occupation of the roman empire. Romans and Dacians spoke a similar language, a kind of protolatin; on Traian's Column you can't see translators between romans and dacians in the moments of negociation.
Ah yes, french women did speak french language at those times, dacians did not speak romanian, it is the result of melting cultures, that's what i wanted to say. bolsevics did not fuck in romania, they were rushing toward berlin...had no time.
The Russian Empire occupied eastern side of Moldavia (Basarabia, majority in today Republic of Moldavia) from 1812 till 1918, making even at that time deportations and bringing Russians in the area. Still at census in 1920 80% of populations was considering itself Romanian and the language even it toook some Russian words remained Romanian. The process resumed from 1944 till 1990 and the language it is still Romanian.
..ho dimenticato, ItzakbenDavid e' un grande imbecile ebreo, che dovrebbe studiare la storia del suo popolo che ha perso la guerra contro i romani a Massada.
Dacian womens were fucked by all possible warriors within the roman mercenary army, lotsa hispanic, gallic, germanic and balcanic soldiers received land and slaves to colonize. Romanian language is a mix of vulgar-latin spoken by roman sub-officers, same like rheto-roman spoken today in some places in northern-italy and southern-suisse. Thereafter dacian womens were fucked also by turks.
And what's with that? French women were fucked for 4 years by the german soldiers, but we don't call the french - french/german just for that. And it's just an example...
Romanians are a mix of Dacien and Roman people but there are some slavic influence. To tell so you can understand it was like that:Romans came and start fucking Dacian women.
Parthians, Sarmatians, Marcomanni, Masagettes are names for-more or less-the same people.Driven away from their birthplace(somewhere south and arround Black Sea)by Romans, got to Dacia and are today's Romanians.Slavic, Hunn and Mongol mix with these people is possible, but of unknown extend...
You are just wrong. All these populations lived in different parts of Europe. There is no such thing as a pure nation but the "components" are different in the Romanian case.
Magyars-now living in Hungary-are a specific race, close to Mongols.Hungarians are finno-hunn race driven by Mongols from the east to today's country.They don't like Magyars and don't have much to do with them.
ItzakbenDavid, Magyars camed under Arpad 900 year after Romans in central-europe.They are genetically probably more turks, mongolians and similar creatures than europeans. WhereTheFuck have you invented this genetical theory ? In you'r brain with low IQ ?
The scene depicts the First Battle of Tapae (87 A.D.). Search wikipedia. In this battle the Romans were defeated;later they won several wars against the Dacians and colonized Dacia, a process that led to the formation of the Romanian people. The Romanians have a lot to do with the Romans: they are the descendants of Roman colonists in Dacia and they speak a Romance/Romanic language. This was for those who prefer to write before opening a history book.
For paul9i:"they are the descendants of Roman colonists in Dacia"...Brrrr...It is not bad to accept you are ignorant!Wikipedia is NOT a history book.Try Peter Connolly or Adrian Goldsworthy
I know wikipedia is not a book.I was suggesting the most easy way to find the same information you will find in most history books about the region. As about me being an ignorant in this matter I will only say I have a B.A. in History.
you don't know romanian history you don't know what happend at Tapae in 85 in the iltalian history books it says onlie the victories of romans not theyr defeat but in our books it says the truth now mabie they where conquered(the dacians) but they where brave and fearles the romans where better because they had advanced military technology
This is a battle between Romans and Romanians!Dacia is the today's Romania-nothing to do with Romans, but more likely descendants of Parthians, Massagetes, Sarmatians, Dacians?If someone knows something else, i would like very much to listen to it...
Sorry but this it is not proved. First time when the name of Romanians appear was in the Byzantine Empire and was naming the population speaking of a Latin language different from the Greek one in the empire. It was not even related to a specific region in Balkans. The population was widely spread from Nistru River to Pannonia Fields and Including also the Carpathians.
Actually, the Romans did have knights and I believe, according to Arrian, they had yellow plumes that werent so huge. That was in their early republic though. They changed to red and black plumes later on.
what the hell were they thinking ,The Cavalary isnt from Napoleonic time's , people didndt do that Back then, and nither are they KNights foolsish cinema.
7 Romans do not like this.
whitetower67 9 months ago
Dachians ahs nothing in comon with Vlach (romanian) population. Even the land where the Dachians lived and where the Vlachs has been formed is a distance of 2000 km.
DavidItzak 1 year ago
ROmainan film, suntem ROmani nu RUmani
majinleoking 1 year ago
You really have no idea what your talking about are you...
hairyknuckles1000 2 years ago
So did the Dacii ever get conquered?
hairyknuckles1000 2 years ago
yep in 106 d Ihr
geo4benny 1 year ago
0.14 lol it looks like the horse is talking
royalsteven 2 years ago
Inteleg engleza, dar nu inteleg de ce cei care posteaza o fac in engleza cind e evident faptul ca sunt romani.Sau au impresia ca intereseaza discutia lor pe cineva din USA,GB,etc...?
crapoglindacernuc 2 years ago
@crapoglindacernuc because this vieo is ment for the english speaking people, to educate them
majinleoking 1 year ago
cavalry men should be equipped with long metal spears and should form in rows when using them instead of spreading out and using swords.
HoTnSpiCy009 3 years ago
It's spelled Romanian, but otherwise really cool.
krotci 3 years ago
old, but good.
franosijek 3 years ago 2
You should keep this in your memory: we,dacs and after romanians never atacked to conquer other countries but to subjugate
Ghindosu 3 years ago 2
bai paul mongoloidul, e dureros sa fii atat de prost?
adaug necitit si necioplit la cele de mai sus...
numelemeue 3 years ago
Looks pretty good, like a lot of Hollywood big budgeters.Great to see epics from East Europe.I also like The Deluge 1974 from Poland set in the 17th century when Sweden invaded Poland.That also had Knights on Horses and a big budget.
reticulan5 3 years ago
Romanians were not civilized by roman empire.More like killed.Civilised means to be able to compete with them.Germanics were civilised by them because they defeated them, took their cities and ruled the empire for a thousand years.
shpritzdevara 3 years ago
The Germanic tribes only defeated the empire because of a series of very very unfortunate events, go learn some history...
And wow... the attack featured in this movie is probably the least Roman of strategies to be found, though i don't know much on this battle so i won't critise too much.
thugugbob 3 years ago
The Dacians where in Romania(Dacia) LONG befor the roman gay empire ;)
Oruper 3 years ago
gay empire? because of many of their feats we have what we have today, learn your history before u type dude, seriously
alexns 3 years ago
you are such a nut
raiyan156 3 years ago
The Dacians were a germanic people?
ImperialGuard9001 3 years ago
The Dacians are the ancestors of actual Romanians. Carpato-Danubian people, descenders of Tracians that the ancient historician Herodot speaks about.
haiducs 3 years ago 2
no,dacians were here since their father,and their father since their grandfather and so along
Ghindosu 3 years ago
i wonder how much the guys were payed to fall off their horses at high speed
homme757 3 years ago 3
An epic movie, from 1966 and Romanian made..
OH MY GOSH !
Two thumbs up for the Romanian cinema ! I really wonder how many unseen jewels such as this are there in the ex-iron curtain countries..
rundeep1943 3 years ago
oh there are very much...but our history is not known by other countries,i'm proud beeing romanian,we have the biggest history,
Ghindosu 3 years ago
actori fantastici,filmul romanesc de dinainte transmitea ceva,bineinteles ca mai sunt si astazi cateva exceptii
Stefan1527 3 years ago
Lol THe Romans wearnt Romanian they are from Italy
redfan45x 3 years ago
That's right. The Romanians are Dacian's descendents and we are very proud of that.
twentyyearsafter 3 years ago
you are so dummy ;)) the romanians is some kind of a fusion between romans and dacs,but we are the only who kept romans history alive ;)
Ghindosu 3 years ago 7
pretty much of a conflict out here... hey you guys out here who doubt romanians are dacians, come here to romania in a trip to see our customs and civilization. freaks !
GetALifeDude84 4 years ago
Doar 20% din teritoriul daciei a fost sub ocupatie romana. E drept, cele mai bogate si importante ptovincii, dar asta nu schimba faptul ca dacii si-au pastrat cultura si civilizatia.
Suntem barbari pana in maduva oaselor, si asta se observa cu ochiul liber. ;)
lucifermagnus 4 years ago 2
20? incearca 60 sau 80...
Andreibvmtl 4 years ago
Puo' essere vero che gli antichi romani abbiano occupato il 20% del territorio della Dacia,pero' una volta conquistare la capitale era come conquistare (almeno simbolicamente l'intera nazione) e poi il capo Decebal si e' suicidato,quindi di fatto la conquista degli antichi romani e' stata netta ed indiscutibile.
alex77fe 3 years ago
mai bine mai ia un pic de mozzarela in gura ..... esti foarte prost informat italiano estupido
gabisu7 3 years ago
as for moldova in moldova the russians tryed to asimilate that part of romania that is why now moldova is a separate country and tzara romaneasca is the only one who remained unafected now who dares to say that romanian are not dacians that one must ask a history teacher or ask me
cronico20 4 years ago 3
you are very wrong man the dacians are our ,my ,ancestors they are a part of the genesis of the romanian people the romans and the dacians and later the slavic invaders (the slavic invaders where asimilated in romanian space but outside the romanian space they becamed bulgarians hungarians russians) and later in the middle age the hungarinas tryed to asimilate the transilvanian people that is why in the present day in transilvania are hungarian people
cronico20 4 years ago 3
what the hell are yo all argueing about? soon the orcs will take hold of all lands...
lionkid92 4 years ago 3
Another secret of the history was revealed in this movie. At 02:25, first time we see the standard underwear of the Roman cavalry. Rejoice!
Nabukadnezar1971 4 years ago
:O
not everything in the Roman equipment is red!
They wear BLUE underwear!
lmao
pwner9999 4 years ago
poor horse... at 03:19 it realy died
omgwtfstfunoobpwned 4 years ago
No, it was probably just a doll.
Titanium267 4 years ago
What is the historical background of this movie?
vphuongdktdbk 4 years ago
What is your source or are you just spouting crap like most anti Daco-Romanians. Linguisticly, culturally and historically we have been Dacians. Dacias are Tracians who were a Pelagesiad tribe, the first one and we spoke "proto-latin". You can't latinize only 16 percent of the country and have it turn 100 percent over night
Twycross 4 years ago
Exista o istorie oficiala si exista o istorie adevarata. Nu la Sumer a inceput civilizatia, ci in muntii Daciei (mai precis in zona Ardealului), indiferent cum se va fi chemat acest teritoriu atunci.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago 4
OK let it be, fact is that european civilization, especially was influenced by roman empire and earlier by greeaks and by ancient mesopotamic culture, from middle east. dacians later had a switching importance between these worlds without touch with major influence the history camed after. that's what in substance i wanted you've been aware about.
democrata2 4 years ago
That's just silly. Read up more on the Carpathian-Danubian civilization. Dacian/Tracians were the first people in europe. Greeks and Romans didn't influence us, other way around.
Twycross 4 years ago 3
de fapt, in epoca ionica, grecii au colonizat anumite localitati in jurului marii negre si dunarii... se spune ca tomis a fost un oras construit de greci intai, si apoi, dacii l-au reconstruit inainte de l-au distrus romanii si l-au inca odata, reconstruit dupa ce i-au cutrupit pe daci...
greaterrome 4 years ago
Tomirys,regina massagetilor,a fondat Tomis!
varain2 4 years ago
Hahaha, give it up man! The genetic research??? Show me the genetic proof...show me the DNA results that tell us that Dacians were more related to Hungarians. The Huns did not come to Europe until 5-6th century AD. Your history knowledge is laughable. For years Hungarians have desperately attempted to eradicate the history of Romania but with no success! You will never take our land nor our history so give it up!
MariusDeDracul 4 years ago 3
well the hungarians could be realated to us because they are not really hungarians,hehe,didn't Burebista own Hungary too,so it makes sense that thracians stil lived there...just an opinion,there are romanians in Serbia that still keep the customs,aromanians language,customs,music
alinutza24 2 years ago 2
Post scriptum per Lightxxx; vai a fare in cullo domani con Decebal, per favore !
roskipper 4 years ago
Non credo che e possibile, signore. Just one more thing for you skipper. In 2nd part of the 19th century Italians immigrated in Romania and even today are registered officially as a minority. Just remember that when you look really bad to a Romanian because you have no idea who is him.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Hmm, considering that you are a Jew, I suppose, it surprises me to see that you use similar theory to the one from the'30s of the Nazi related to Jesus. They were saying something about German mercenaries who were f... everything in Israel, including Mary and this is the reason why Jesus was with blue eyes. Actually we have no idea how he was looking and the theory might be a BS.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
wrong! it proved the contrary pf what you said. I recommend you also to order the analysis (just 100USD) to see what you are actually. Just remember that Kazars are Jews by adoption of the religion and not by origin :). Only 12 tribes (a minority) decided to come back from Babylon.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
dacians were known as social-cultural high developed society with tribal organized civil and political structure but was not an emperial-state like rome was. romans did know how to manage politicaly the different cultures in order their own interests can be fulfilled. dacians did not, that was the reason of complete assimilation and integration also of the language.
democrata2 4 years ago
I disagree regarding the mention of the total asimilation including the one of the language. Until 10 years ago was considered that 100 words were still existing, now are mentioned about 300 words and also we have a new interesting theory that Dacians probably had a romanic like language this is sustained by the fact that Romanian is the only Latin language with Vulgar Latin at origin.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Also Serbians found in their linguistic study that some words used in Banat region (Romania, Serbia, Hungary) which were considered as slavic origin were actually Romanian at origin. The funny thing is the Romanian linguists consider these words still with Slavic origin :)
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Lightspit1; i give you a very simple reply in
dacian-latin language; SEI un grande imbecile, che non ha visto mai una buona scuola da dentro !
So, you can make by you'r own a tanslation in you'r homeland language. So long !
democrata2 4 years ago
hey, you misunderstood me. I was just saying to Itzakwhatever on very short the nazi theories. Of course it can not be proved and of course it is just an aberration it has not even the slightest support. I was surprised he was using similar bullshit (BS) like the ones who persecuted his people.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Democrata2, that was Italian and not Dacian-Latin :). O visto quatro scuole! I was even in the damn historic contests between the schools during the communism era and it is not easy considering that my grandfathers were fascists. Please read completely what I was writing and ask me if you do not understand because the site it is not helping me to explain too good.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
One more thing, I AM Roman-Catholic and in my family are also priests. I was just telling on short the theory from 80 years ago and I was surprised who re-used that theory. Is that all?
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Lightxx, ok excuse me,i thought it was directed to me, cause i'm not jew and in italy this kind of fascist theories you put here with such lightness are considered an offensive and religion insulting statement. as most catholics were in italy, this is very sensible subject.
democrata2 4 years ago
If you didn't know, romanians preferred nation are Italian. We have an expression: "The blood doesn't become water". Our nations are genetically, culturally and temperamentally related before or after dacian-roman wars. How could we insult our, let's say, cousins?
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
I know,in fact romanians can be thanksful to Trajanus that he conquested dacia and protected it from the parthians and other nomadic intrusers coming from asia. romans did open the door to christian civilzation for dacians. else you today would pray 4 4xtimes toward east and raising the ass against
west. but now we are cousins, right !
democrata2 4 years ago
In this point, our opinions are splitting up. I'm sure dacians would managed better the invasions of migrating populations without roman empire intervention. There wouldn't be any leg of a hun over here! On the other hand the turks were here for hundreds of years and no one mosque was build here...
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago 3
nobody can anticipate the course of history with "if" and "could", facts are straight in europe's history.
turks were musulmans, at those times tolerant, never interested in exporting religions. christians were intersted to change the world in missions. today's vice-versa.
roskipper 4 years ago
Truth
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Parthians were menacing Dacia? I thought they were never going further than Asia Minor...
Lightspit1 4 years ago
no! the parthians invaded and conquered parts of dacia in about the 2nd century bc!
greaterrome 4 years ago
Da, dar nu de la parti ni s-a tras noua necazul, tot de la romani a venit beleaua. Blestemat an, 106!
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
De ce ? Daca nu veneau romanii, azi Romania nu era crestina, era tatara sau turca, ceva similar, asemanator popoarelor caucaziene.
paulchinezul 4 years ago
O Dacie care ar fi rezistat si romanilor nu ar mai fost ulterior cotropita de nimeni, niciodata. In alta ordine de idei, simburi ai crestinismului existau pe meleagurile noastre de multa vreme. A fost descoperit un artefact reprezentind pe Apollo (initial zeu pelasg apoi importat in Grecia)...crucificat! Piesa respectiva a fost datata pe la 600 i.e.n.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Neamul dac a fost puternic,nobilimea avea un nivel ridicat social si cultural, doar ca triburile nu erau unite si mult prea individualiste pt. a face fata puterii armatei
de mercenari al imperiului. ( "Razboaiele se cistiga cu bani"
de Talleyrand-Périgord, Ministrul de externe al lui Napoleon Bonaparte )
paulchinezul 4 years ago
ce parere ai despre Albania ?
ethnikhart 4 years ago
St. Andrei the first called was the one who brought Christianity to us, not Trajan. And we didn't need help from anyone to defend against the invading barbarian hordes. The invading barbarian hordes needed help defending themselves from us. Notice how many peoples pass through Dacia and how none of them stay?
Twycross 4 years ago 3
well the parthians werent too much the dacians can handle
hairyknuckles1000 2 years ago
Italians themselves were a migratory people. I don't consider any Italian my cousin anymore then I consider a mexican or a spaniard or a frenchman.
Twycross 4 years ago
Pai cam asa! Niste rude cam indepartate si cam obraznice.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Traiasca ginta latina!
varain2 4 years ago 7
coming back to the antic history and leaving the church things to God. At the end of the first war of Traian with Dacia, he demanded that Roman deserters and engineers should be sent to the Roman Empire. Dacians used the engineers to build their own war machines. OK I understand the demand for desrters, but were so many engineers? How big was this phenomenon?
Lightspit1 4 years ago
paul9i; i guess there is no doubt that latin was born in latium in todays italy. but the roots are sure coming from somewhere from the east and south-east. there are no studies tellin' something else actually. latin could not come from the north, or north west. they had other roots those languages i suppose.greek was the official language beside latin in antique rome until about 150 a.d. and thracian and dacian had surely an important influence.
democrata2 4 years ago
What genetic research are you talking about? Please give me the names of the authors/studies etc..
paul9i 4 years ago
He changed the study :), actually 6the Transylvanians were considered the purest (no racial tendencies here :)) and closer to the old population. The DNA had a structure almost similar to the Greek one. The study was related to the Human Genom Project. They also offered the possibility, for 100$ to tell your DNA affiliation to a nation or other.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Signor Merlini also radiocarbon-dated the tablets from Tartaria (Romania) 7300 years ago, as the oldest written message in the world by now.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
The Italian researcher Marco Merlini, the director of Prehistory Knowledge Project din Roma has a lot of articles regarding this subject, some of them presented at the Dacology International Congress, organized year by year in Bucharest by dr. Napoleon Savescu. For example "The deep roots of the Danube civilization" in 2005. I am not allowed to post here internet adresses, if you want I may send it to you.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Hey, I respect the dedication of dr. Savescu but too many times that congress it is going in fantasies story like. For example the idea of influencing the Egyptian culture. This is a complete BS! I think a real study of the ancient chronicles, sponsoring archaeological digs and bringing to the light the tablets from Sinaia would be 100x much better.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
I agree to the possible theory that proto-latin was born after neolitical-revolution in balkan and caucasian regions and imported in todays middle Italy from where it emerged. In southern Italy and Sicilly other languages were also displaced in time.
democrata2 4 years ago
Latin comes from Latium(Rome region)from our country and vulgar-latin was widely known in Thracia and Dacia at those times for many reasons. Latin was the most spoken international language at those times displacing earlier etruskian which had hellenistic alfabetic structure but reading from right to left like phoenicians.
democrata2 4 years ago
you are right. I explained in another comment some things about twentyyearsafter theories. I am Romanian and I am convinced that the Romanian language developed from vulgar Latin and not Latin from dacian. The theories twentyyearsafter is presenting are not accepted in the Romanian Academia. The guy he is talking about (the Medical doctor I was telling you) is seen more as a lunatic than a historian in the Romanian universities; believe me, I have a BA in History.
paul9i 4 years ago
I disagree! Today it is known that in the Early Middle Age (the Dark Age), due to not so much commerce and not safe roads were quite big differences between the language of the regions and traditions. This still can be seen today in Germany and France where the dialects have sometime really big differences. I have doubts that in antic times they had a better situation or a similar situation like the today phenomenon of massive assimilation of English words in all languages.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Is it possible that a short period of 165 years occupation of only 14% of the Dacian territory by Roman mercenaries caused the complete disappearance of the Dacian language, and replacing it by Latin? Doesn't it make more sense that the Indo-European language which emerged from the Carpatho-Danubian space, gave birth not only to the Sanskrit language, but also the "Romance" languages such as Latin?
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
corrected; Marcus AURELIUS 271 and not Hadrian,... was a mistake.
democrata2 4 years ago
OK, but dacians did speak a thracian language coming from the indo-german family from the east same as thraks in moesia inferior,actual bulgaria. has nothing to do with latin. i haven't found any book in italy saying something different.
democrata2 4 years ago
You know, in Romania at Tartaria were discovered some slates inscripted with an old writing very similar to those discovered at Sumer, but ...two thousands years older. I dare to say indo-europeans didn't arrived here, but they left from here. There are some movies here, on youtube, at a romanian TV with a debate about that, with italian guests. Arivederci
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
I understan' only 10 % what they are saying there, anyway you will find lotsa more info's at roman-empire.dotnet. No doubt that dacian womens were very sexy and object of massive sexual abuse from roman soldiers.
democrata2 4 years ago
...and last but not least Hadrian retired from Dacia with Legio V macedonica around 276 a.d. which was composed most by ilyric-albanian, gallic and germanic soldiers.immagine what a mix of genes there. the latin language was only administration language. no roman blood in romanian venes.
democrata2 4 years ago
Very correct, I agree; no roman blood in romanian veins. We are not descendent's of Rome!
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
You forget something. Those were soldiers which came in the area. I am not saying that some reservists did not remain in the area, but I have doubts that they had an important impact on the population. Soldiers are rotated in the units.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
i have little time now,coz of work-break, romanian language is latin origin and not the latin is thracian origin, if you want to say this ? the soldiers had sex, not only oral activity. the genes of nations are coming from sex not from speaking.hehehe, perhaps we italians are thracian origin. molto strano !
democrata2 4 years ago
The most serious theories of Indo-European Origins propose that the homeland of the speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language is to be found in the Southeast Europe. This theory was most comprehensively proposed by the eminent Russian linguist and historian Igor M. Diakonov in his seminal paper [(1985). "On the Original Home of the Speakers of Indo-European." Journal of Indo-European Studies. Volume 13, p. 92]
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
And we know this from where? Do we have a study on Thracian or Dacian language? I remember a mention on the Human Genom Project which was saying that Transylvania was interesting due to similar but not identically DNA structure with Greeks. South of Romania posses a DNA structure closer to Bulgarians, Moldavian area had some mixture of both areas. I will try to find again that article.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
well, i'm not a professional researcher, i'm a simple engineer interested in roman history as hobby. seems very keen to affirm dacians spoke a similar language as romans due to the fact of dacian-gheto-thrak origins. at the end also bulgarians were latins ? ...are you kidding ?
democrata2 4 years ago
Bulgarians are slavs from Volga (volgarians - bulgarians) who invaded the area in the 6-th century BC (I red it on Balkantravel), therefore their language is close to the russian one. I see you are an Italian, don't you know that Roma is full of statues representing Dacians (around 70 in the whole Italy), minus bas-reliefs, four of them are in the heart of the old city, on Constantin's Arch. That should say something to you.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Dacians didn't speak a similar language to latin. What twentyyearsafter is saying is just bulshit. It is a "theory" by some doctor (medical doctor not history doctor) that seems to hate everything that was Roman and wants to prove that all things were invented in the territory where Romania lies today. If you want too learn more about Roman history just stick to mainstream history books.
paul9i 4 years ago
You forget something. I would say also like you and the other people, but we do not have so many Dacians words or phrases to say 100% that Dacian was a satem language and not a centum one. Also how come that Romanian it is the only Latin language with Vulgar Latin at basis? The Roman theory start with Transylvanian School and had political basis. Almost everything was built on this theory!
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Second: french women were fucked for 4 years by germans and therafter 1 year by landing americans.
Dacian womens were fucked for 300 years non-stop..it's a difference.
democrata2 4 years ago
Romans stayed here for 165 years, not for 300...this was the shortest occupation of the roman empire. Romans and Dacians spoke a similar language, a kind of protolatin; on Traian's Column you can't see translators between romans and dacians in the moments of negociation.
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Ah yes, french women did speak french language at those times, dacians did not speak romanian, it is the result of melting cultures, that's what i wanted to say. bolsevics did not fuck in romania, they were rushing toward berlin...had no time.
democrata2 4 years ago
The Russian Empire occupied eastern side of Moldavia (Basarabia, majority in today Republic of Moldavia) from 1812 till 1918, making even at that time deportations and bringing Russians in the area. Still at census in 1920 80% of populations was considering itself Romanian and the language even it toook some Russian words remained Romanian. The process resumed from 1944 till 1990 and the language it is still Romanian.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
..ho dimenticato, ItzakbenDavid e' un grande imbecile ebreo, che dovrebbe studiare la storia del suo popolo che ha perso la guerra contro i romani a Massada.
democrata2 4 years ago
grazie :), e solo un frustrato...
Lightspit1 4 years ago
Dacian womens were fucked by all possible warriors within the roman mercenary army, lotsa hispanic, gallic, germanic and balcanic soldiers received land and slaves to colonize. Romanian language is a mix of vulgar-latin spoken by roman sub-officers, same like rheto-roman spoken today in some places in northern-italy and southern-suisse. Thereafter dacian womens were fucked also by turks.
democrata2 4 years ago
Don't forget the bolsevics!
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
And what's with that? French women were fucked for 4 years by the german soldiers, but we don't call the french - french/german just for that. And it's just an example...
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Romanians are a mix of Dacien and Roman people but there are some slavic influence. To tell so you can understand it was like that:Romans came and start fucking Dacian women.
andreivarban 4 years ago
Yours genetic research!All the european know this realty,only you dont know it.I live in Italy,dont
tell me stories,come to see the mapes on the walls
and the Traian's Columne!
varain2 4 years ago
Parthians, Sarmatians, Marcomanni, Masagettes are names for-more or less-the same people.Driven away from their birthplace(somewhere south and arround Black Sea)by Romans, got to Dacia and are today's Romanians.Slavic, Hunn and Mongol mix with these people is possible, but of unknown extend...
platanis 4 years ago
You are just wrong. All these populations lived in different parts of Europe. There is no such thing as a pure nation but the "components" are different in the Romanian case.
paul9i 4 years ago
Magyars-now living in Hungary-are a specific race, close to Mongols.Hungarians are finno-hunn race driven by Mongols from the east to today's country.They don't like Magyars and don't have much to do with them.
platanis 4 years ago
Da' suntem asa de apropiati de voi de n-ai vazut!Ma
doare in cot de Stefan si Mihai,Attila e baza!
varain2 4 years ago
We are sure that the romanians are the dacians!
varain2 4 years ago 3
ItzakbenDavid, Magyars camed under Arpad 900 year after Romans in central-europe.They are genetically probably more turks, mongolians and similar creatures than europeans. WhereTheFuck have you invented this genetical theory ? In you'r brain with low IQ ?
ThraexDiCapua 4 years ago
You're kidding. The biggest lie of the history is the "holy" bible. But the time's almost up...
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
The scene depicts the First Battle of Tapae (87 A.D.). Search wikipedia. In this battle the Romans were defeated;later they won several wars against the Dacians and colonized Dacia, a process that led to the formation of the Romanian people. The Romanians have a lot to do with the Romans: they are the descendants of Roman colonists in Dacia and they speak a Romance/Romanic language. This was for those who prefer to write before opening a history book.
paul9i 4 years ago
For paul9i:"they are the descendants of Roman colonists in Dacia"...Brrrr...It is not bad to accept you are ignorant!Wikipedia is NOT a history book.Try Peter Connolly or Adrian Goldsworthy
platanis 4 years ago
I know wikipedia is not a book.I was suggesting the most easy way to find the same information you will find in most history books about the region. As about me being an ignorant in this matter I will only say I have a B.A. in History.
paul9i 4 years ago
you don't know romanian history you don't know what happend at Tapae in 85 in the iltalian history books it says onlie the victories of romans not theyr defeat but in our books it says the truth now mabie they where conquered(the dacians) but they where brave and fearles the romans where better because they had advanced military technology
cronico20 4 years ago
This is a battle between Romans and Romanians!Dacia is the today's Romania-nothing to do with Romans, but more likely descendants of Parthians, Massagetes, Sarmatians, Dacians?If someone knows something else, i would like very much to listen to it...
platanis 4 years ago
platanis this is a battle between Roman Empire and Dacia,check the map Parthians is got no connection with Dacians.
zzxxblablazzxx 4 years ago
The old name of our country was Ramania (The Country of Rama), then Da-ksha (The Country of the Gods).
twentyyearsafter 4 years ago
Sorry but this it is not proved. First time when the name of Romanians appear was in the Byzantine Empire and was naming the population speaking of a Latin language different from the Greek one in the empire. It was not even related to a specific region in Balkans. The population was widely spread from Nistru River to Pannonia Fields and Including also the Carpathians.
Lightspit1 4 years ago
First_Battle_of_Tapae of 87
5468erw 4 years ago
this is the first war, acording the the general name (fuscus)
5468erw 4 years ago
actualy the romans fough 3 wars (not batles) in dacia and win the last war
5468erw 4 years ago
ahahahaha. i like to see Decebalus acting like a victor....but unfortunately for him, the romans kinda kicked his ass...
2xpto 4 years ago
For those interested, "Dacii" is recently released in DVD format in Romania, with English subtitles.
a6u5e 4 years ago
why ? what do you mean ?
troglodyte123 4 years ago
Come on, give the weak people a chance... They deserve a living space too...
kmyc 4 years ago
Actually, the Romans did have knights and I believe, according to Arrian, they had yellow plumes that werent so huge. That was in their early republic though. They changed to red and black plumes later on.
monchiliagu 5 years ago
Wow didnt know that such movies were done in Romania. Good video.
Kosciusz 5 years ago
go dacia iam from Moldova though but that was still dacian
hgdsaaowooewoewoeroe 5 years ago
Foolish Romans!
tzmania 5 years ago
the plumage would get you marked for death on the battlefield and your arse kicked by your comrades back in the barracks
hollywoodwerewolf 5 years ago
what the hell were they thinking ,The Cavalary isnt from Napoleonic time's , people didndt do that Back then, and nither are they KNights foolsish cinema.
DrAlbino 5 years ago
frate...calul ala...
serryale 5 years ago
Saracu, ierea viu.Parca la inceput da din picioare...
SUPERSCIENCE01 5 years ago
Good enough for 1966
kmyc 5 years ago