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  • The acquittal report: It is unbelievable, all what Hellmann in his report wrote, all this the honest people here on YT already said it before. About the Massei report I wrote: It is a summary of maybe, could be, probably, made by: boldly asserts is half proven, the paper not worth on this he is written. Hellman noticed: the word probable occurs 39 times and that says a lot. No, it says only once very clear that this wrong verdict was with intent made wrong. A clear crime of Massei & Co.

  •  according to the prosecution Mez was having sex with the flatmates and there freinds-thats according to the prosecution--soooo i would think tat she was not so good people to do those things folks

  • Tomorrow is Meredith's 26th birdthday, if she only could live..it's so sad and heartbreaking moment for her family and for us who will never stop thinking of her, NEVER! Why always nice people like Mez must be taken away in such cruel way,why....one candle will light for You tomorrow..hope that 2012 will finally bring justice for You and comfort for all of us..and those three demons who took everything from You and from us, they will pay..much worse than they can imagine! R.I.P. Meredith Kercher

  • During the trial one flatmate testafied-That Manda (amanda) 0n one occasion  Had brought a nuclear Rifle to the cottage and was overheard saying This town sucks -And there going to pay-- oh m g

  • YouTube has given home to many nutcases. Guilters are no exception, right up there with those who deny that 9/11 was a terrorist attack and the existence of AIDS. Fortunately there are also rational people who know that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and are glad to see the Italian Justice system correct its initial error.

  • @000YouTunes000 Well, yeah. And even as it stands, US employers usually ask, 'Do you have a criminal conviction?' and she has, for slander. And she has a further slander trial (with her parents) scheduled for May, almost certain to result in another conviction. She can't visit any EU country without a special visa, which she won't get, and other countries will follow. And even a fine place like the USA is just a prison when you can't ever leave.

  • Amanda was strong enough to withstand the persecution of this crazy prosecutor and do 4 years of hard time in an Italian prison, so she will definitely be able to handle the dolts who still insist she's guilty. 99% of Americans believe she was always innocent and supported her with their prayers and letters. Amanda is back home where she belongs and she is free! That's all that really matters. Everything else is just ludicrous theories from heartless bastards.

  • @Pinkforestt American public opinion is fairly evenly divided. Knox did no 'hard time' at all, since Italian prisons are pretty soft. All but the last few months of her time in jail were accounted for by her sentence for the slander of Patrick Lumumba, of which she remains convicted. She is only on temporary release and remains on trial for murder until the Italian supreme court speaks. She is not 'free', since her conviction prevents her from travelling.

  • @TheMarkXIV Italy has already made a fool of themselves with this case so I don't see a re-trial in the future. Is Hellmann going to change his verdict. Lol. As far as I am concerned Knox has returned home and she is free to resume her life, plus after her experience I don't think she would want to travel to a foreign country anyways. As for your comment Knox did no 'hard time' at all....She was kept behind bars away from her family and friends so that in itself is hard times.

  • @Pinkforestt Hellmann can't change his verdict. It's a question of what the supreme court makes of that verdict. Italian trials come in three parts and we haven't had Part III yet. Since Hellmann rejected without explanation a mass of prosecution evidence never even questioned by the defence (because it's unquestionable), including evidence the supreme court had already ruled good, the supreme court is pretty unlikely to uphold the acquittal.

  • @TheMarkXIV Amanda Knox is NEVER going back to Italy and she is definitely NEVER going to be behind bars again. Hoping that this case would go back to trial is just wishful thinking because it is not going to happen. Guilters just need to accept the verdict and move on.

  • @Pinkforestt There are no such people as 'guilters', that's an FOA hate-word, and the supreme court of Italy does not have to accept the appeal verdict if it doesn't choose to. And if the State Department refuses a due request for extradition it will be breaking the law. And I wouldn't post things like 'America Wonnn!' under a video of Stephanie Kercher. Law enforcement, if alerted, will regard that as cyber-stalking a murder victim's family. And you are traceable from here.

  • @TheMarkXIV Ok how's this: Travesty of justice victim Amanda Knox exonerated after being wrongfully imprisoned for four years for a crime she didn't commit. Justice has been served and the person truly responsible for this tragedy remains behind bars where he should be! R.I.P. Mez. Better :) I guess you should check out the other hundreds of videos on youtube with this case and alert everyone who has an opinion on the case that they're stalking a murder victim's family.

  • @Pinkforestt

    Why do you call her Mez? you didnt know her, nor are you friends with her or her family. When one refers to someone by their nickname, it usually means that they are friends with them and know them. from comlete strangers it comes off as condescending. just more proof of the immorality from amanda's cunt followers

  • @xxxxLiquidMetalxxxxx WELL SAID how dare they shorten it , knox is a JESUIT educated bitch that was always gonna walk in the end because jesuits run the world ie the black pope of the jesuit order - most powerful-evil man on the planet -friends in high places and all that. sad or what but could well b the reason for the sudden back track, the KERCHERS stand TALL in all this with their DECENCY . x

  • @xxxxLiquidMetalxxxxx Was there a bulletin issued somewhere saying that the public couldn't shorten Meredith's name to Mez. If so I wasn't aware :) You Knox haters are pathetic. Amanda Knox is a victim in all of this right along with Meredith.

  • @Pinkforestt

    Meredith Kercher is the only victim. Well, her and Patrick.

    You are fucking disgusting.

  • @xxxxLiquidMetalxxxxx Actually you're wrong. The victims in this case are Amanda, Raffaele, Meredith and Patrick. Mr. Lumumba should sue the prosecutor for forcing Ms. Knox to come up with possibilities of people who could have committed the murder, then acting on it and arresting him, without a shred of evidence.

  • @Pinkforestt

    LOL. You're fucking nuts

  • @Pinkforestt Well, no, because she actually served three years eleven days for a crime she did commit, slander (with another slander trial scheduled for next year), and the rest of it was time served on remand. So there were no 'four years for a crime she didn't commit.'

  • @TheMarkXIV

    You Tube has given a home to many conspiracy theory nutcases. These Amanda supporters are no exception, right up there with the 9/11 truthers and AIDS denialists

  • @FetalPigJuice Who wants to be fucked. In the end American Wonnnnn! Woohooo!

  • Thank God Amanda is finally free!

  • Meredith's sister is quite pretty. I wouldn't mind shagging her.

  • @mymusicvideos111 ATTENTION>>>GUILTER!!

    see below for typical signs >3rd on list

    don't need to get high when you are around..you do a better job of making me laugh than any drug can ever do

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  • the typical signs you are dealing with a GUILTER>>>>

    they don't answer your questions

    they accuse you of disrespecting the Kerchers

    they make fun of youbecause their little minds have nothing constructive to say

    they totally ignore Rudy Guedes involvement

    they never mention Rafaelle Solecitto

    they still call Amanda foxy or noxy (they live in the past)

    they ignore the Prosecuter who is a convicted criminal

    they just can't face the fact that Amanda is INNOCENT and FREE

  • @9bronxgirl Good grief ...... its like the ten commandments! lol

  • Amanda Knox and Raffaelle Solicitto have been found INNOCENT of these crimes.

    Rudy Guede has been found GUILTY. He was all over that crime scene. He went out dancing while Meredith bled to death. Then he fled to Germany and admitted leaving his bloody clothes and his sneakers in Germany. Originally he told the police that A & R were not there. After a privte talk with the prosecuter, he changed his story.

    Tell the poilce to test the stain on the pillow..which has NOT been done!

    

  • @9bronxgirl

    NO....... they were not found INNOCENT, they were acquitted due to the evidence being undermined, from political pressure, both within Italy and from the US. Remember the judge said AK and RS were probably involved, but they couldnt prove it. You also seem to forget Knox blamed an innocent man for the murder as well. Even today she has not apologised to anyone for her actions....what a dreadful woman.

  • @scrmepal They were found INNOCENT..They judge said INNOCENT..to be released immediately!! The Italian courts had the option of find her "not guity" which would be what you are saying..but they didn't find her not guily. He said they may have been involved but the proof is not there. They also may be able to fly but the proof is not there.

  • @scrmepal Knox was coerced into coming up with an African person because hair was found on the scene. If Amanda was really there..like you want to beleive..she would have very simply said..Rudy Guede did it. But since she was NOT there..she had to go along with whoever the police were telling her was there.

  • @9bronxgirl

    It was Knox who said she was there in her initail statement.......she said she covered her ears due to the screams. Question was she and RS in her bedroom next to Meredith on that night, taking drugs????

  • @scrmepal that was after the police forced her to say something..anything..they needed an arrest immediately and would stop at nothing to do it

    I don't understand why some ppl can't believe that 2 young people who had just met were home alone and wanted privacy. One of the other roommates was also at her boyfriends house that night..with no alibi..they have no more proof that she was there then they have for Amanda

  • @9bronxgirl hold on , neither of them to this day have an alibi, they dropped alibis for each other after being caught out telling MANY LIES....EVEN FRAMING PATRICK the bar owner, knox let him sit in jail 2 weeks and NEVER TOOK HER LIES BACK, DNA SAVED HIM, a decent father. Only knox and her ex boyfriend no what went on, but that burglary was staged, innocent people dont tell LIES, knox knew how Meredith died b4 police even said whilst doin cartwheels in police custody, shes a manipulative cow.

  • @gina2190 The police arrested Lumumba w/o checking his alibi. His dna was not an issue in this. This decent fathers business remained closed for weeks after his release because drugs were found when they searched his bar. If you are trying to insinuate that Rudy Guede was not respsonsible ["only knox and her boyfriend no(know)] you obvioulsy have no knowledge of this case. Those murderous cartwheels are usually the focal point of the minial minded. Grow up and stop the name calling.

  • @gina2190 - Amanda contradicted the police written statement by her own immediately doubting the images the police insisted were true. In court, she also said she was sorry the police rushed to judgement based on a coerced statement. SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. For example, DNA did not save Patrick. A witness gave alibi. A hand print condemned Guede. Only Guede knows what went on. Even the police admit that Amanda was never in the room. They were at Raffaele's long after she was attacked.

  • @scrmepal unfortunately for her..she was having sex with Rafaelle at his apartment..but how does one prove that when so many want her to have been at the crime scene.

    hopefully someday Guede will fess up and tell the world he did it alone..then Meredtih's family can put this behind them and just deal with the loss of her..it is sad how this is being dragged on for so long..it is sad cause this family need this to end

  • @9bronxgirl "it is sad cause this family need this to end" ....... carefull there bronxgirl. You almost sounded empathetic there!

  • @scrmepal and Amanda's initial statment was that she was at Raffaele's..her last statement. which caused them to arrest her..was what they wanted to hear..so they could parade around town with horns blazing looking like the worlds best police...it was the railroad job from hell and one day someone will tell the truth about what happened during that interrigation

  • @scrmepal Read the Wikipedia article titled "Murder of Mederith Kercher"

  • @scrmepal soo true, but the Americans and world have to be fed the lies that nothing ever connected knox and her Italian lover so the film deals can go ahead, like she was the victim ! 3 out of 4 Americans have lapped up one sided news reports etc that were deliberatly made to sound like knox and co were innocent they ignored all the circumstantial evidence, most have never read the Massei report - its obvious all 3 were involved. knox birthday is same as oj simpson and her acquital date same 2

  • "My names Curt Knox and I'm an American ......... NOW GET THE FUCK OUTA MY WAY"

    lol

    What a prick

  • @hobitshouse I was replying to this comment.

    @9bronxgirl Yeah i bet it does. wonder how much "Curt Knoc" ( was an awfull little man by the way ......"curt" knox. You couldnt make it up ), he put into that website..... hobitshouse 21 hours ago

    curt knox has as much to do with this as mr. kercher does?? ..he has every right to speak up for and protect his daughter who was falsly accused...I was just using a comparison to see how stupid what hobitshouse said

  • It's a shame how many people would rather look for reasons to have innocent people in jail. What hateful, misguided people.

  • Has anyone heard from MsBScotch? I have contacted youtube and they have assured me they are trying to get in touch with one of her carers/appropriate adults. I was just wondering if anyone has heard from her. Not seen her on line.

    Thanks everyone.

  • @autopsysal666 Sal did you get my message. Think I know where she is. Message me.

  • so sorry for your loss...

  • @mymusicvideos111 Righto! And the earth is flat ;0

  • @MsBScotch Ok babe.

  • @MsBScotch Hi :) whats your name lovely? Bet its real cool being a Doctor! wd love to chat sometime if yar up for it. 

  • @MsBScotch Have you got any other friends? Maybe there with you who can help you? Are there any of your Doctor friends in the place where you are? Perhaps they could join in the discussion aswell :) xx

  • @MsBScotch Hey maybe if we became friends we could talk about Doctor stuff? Maybe tomorrow when you've had some sleep? xx

  • @MsBScotch Sweetie, you must be tired. Why don't you try and get some sleep huh? It will make you feel better. Are you taking any meds? Maybe you can tell me what kind you are on? Try not to get upset now please hunny I just want to see if we can get you off to sleep thats all. xx

  • @MsBScotch I'm sure you are a Doctor sweetiepie, so there you go we cd talk about that couldnt we? Why don't you get your mommy on here so I can ask her some questions. OK? ...... Just want to be your friend.

  • @autopsysal666 I just saw a post that says she is apparently at a home and being cared for but I don't know if this is true. If you found out what state u could find out. Do you have her name yet?

  • @DupeyDuperton666 She's in Oregon I think. I heard the same as you. Hope she's ok

  • @hobitshouse Nope. Ohio. Still working on name. Thanks for your concern guys :) Try not to worry.

  • @DupeyDuperton666 To be honest I thought she may well be in care, mainly because of the Doctor reference. Quite often they can say things like this, easpecially when they have contact with Doctors/carers on a daily basis, so I did assume she was likely to be in a home. However, she is still on line at what must be the early hours of the morning there and that does concern me. I will let you know if I hear anything. I'm going to try and calm her down.

  • @autopsysal666 OMG she's still on line :O. Has anyone found out her name yet? Someone must be looking after her, I hope.

  • @hobitshouse I would'nt antagonise her too much. She is awfully excited at the moment and what she really needs is calm. Maybe its best just to let her be for the time being. Really, don't worry. She'll be fine.

  • @autopsysal666 Ok no worries. I have just found something out. I'm going to message you privately. Hang fire.

  • @hobitshouse The going to work thing, I think could mean she might be getting some meds and hopefully some sleep at last! Speaking of work, I'm signing off as I've got work to do myself. I will talk to you later, and let me know about you know what ...... hopefull not true but we will see.

    Thanks again. And stop worrying! lol

  • Patrick Lumumba- Knox's fomer Employer- the man she FALSELY AC CUSED of Meredith Kercher's murder says Ms. Knox is a Fantastic ACTRESS!!!

  • @MrPig58 So I guess when everyone says she was convicted because of the way she ACTED..it was really all an act??

  • @9bronxgirl She is the Queen of Manipulation

  • @MrPig58 nah, I am just someone enjoying Amada's freedom.

    Don't be such a sore loser.

  • @MsBScotch I know sweetie but your not well and I just want to help you, thats all. I'm trying to be your friend. People have been messaging me asking me to talk to you. I work as a Doctor for people like you and can really help. You've got nothing to lose. Even just a chat for five minutes? Maybe on the phone? Your terms I promise. Please sweetheart. xx

  • @MsBScotch PM me? I can help you.

  • @MsBScotch Sweetie are you at home right now? Its really important that you tell me as myself and some other people want to make sure you are ok. Nobody's going to hurt you, ok. xx

  • @MsBScotch I thought you'd gone :) So where abouts are you sweetie? You got a big house or do you share a place? PM me?

  • @MsBScotch Stay on line sweetie. We can chat some more. I wanted to talk to you about the case? Is you mommy there or anyone you can talk to?

  • @MsBScotch Sweetie are you at home right now? xx

  • @MsBScotch Of course, thats why I'd be interested in what your mom or dad thinks? Why don't you PM me and we can chat some more? I've got some great links about the case. I just want to help you sweetie. xx

  • @MsBScotch Exactly hunny, you keep talking about it on here. I agree. We all agree with you. How do your family feel about the case, is your Mom there? I'd be interested to know how they feel too?

  • @MsBScotch Yeah you go girl. Listen, why don't you send me a really quick PM? We can talk some more? Just us two. Girly chat! :). xx

  • @MsBScotch I totally agee with everything you say sweetie. PM, K? Talk on the phone maybe? No pressure.

  • @MsBScotch Sorry babe, had no idea. Didn't mean any offense. All the best.

  • @MsBScotch Thats right hunny. Listen I was just wondering, where abouts are you? Just out of interest. Are you at home with your parents or someplace else? Just interested thats all hun. xx

  • There is a young girl posting on this and some other pages going by the name of MsBScotch. I know some people have found what she is saying offensive and have reported her, but I would ask you to understand, she is not well.

    I am making efforts to try to locate her and get in touch with a family member or someone who may be able to make sure she is ok, but wd ask, if u do know this girl, please would you just check and make sure she is ok.

    Thanks everybody. And please be patient.

  • @autopsysal666 Oops .... my bad. Had no idea. Will pass on the word.

  • @hobitshouse Its no problem. I understand. I wasn't sure myself. I'm actually a psychiatrist by trade so you learn to spot the signs. Don't feel bad. Easy mistake to make.

  • @autopsysal666 I know but I kinda reported her yesturday :S. Can you "un"report someone? Help! lol

  • @hobitshouse Don't worry about it.

  • @MsBScotch Its fine sweetie you can call me names but I am just concerned thats all. Be mad at me if you want to. PM, ok? I will give you my number if u wish. I just want to help thats all. xx

  • @MsBScotch Hey listen hunny I'm sorry to have made you mad. Just concerned thats all. Please don't be mad but have you got anyone with you? I'm on your side, ok? Maybe best if you could call someone. PM me if you want to talk, K?

  • @mymusicvideos111 I never knew that. I'm in the UK and not too clued up on it but I can well believe it. Theres a lot of very sick people in this world I'm afraid. To be honest, things like this are a real eye opener for me and I'm sure many others.

  • @mymusicvideos111 You can sue anyone, anywhere. If she gets say 10 million or something, there will be so many good lawyers knocking at his door he will have a field day. Once the Kerchers have got the second appeal out the way they will be sueing her too, which again is the least they deserve. This story is a long way from over.

  • @mymusicvideos111 If you had been accused by someone of rape and murder. Spent time in jail for it, and then had your life turned upsdie down. And then, that person is proven beyond all doubt to have wrongly accused you, wouldnt you sue their arse off? He will sue her. I think he will wait to see how much she gets from her deals etc, and then go for it big time. He will bide his time and wait for the right moment but he will definately sue her

  • @mymusicvideos111 Thats what I'm saying. I totally agree the comments are seriously quite disturbed. They have been reported and I'd advise you to do the same. But they may well be ( as I suspect ) be mentally ill, so please try and understand.

  • @MsBScotch Serious question now. Are you ill? I don't mean that disrespectfully but are you under any sort of care? Is there anyone with you that is looking after you? Just a bit concerned thats all.

  • @MsBScotch Well, if bad things happen to bad people, you better go look in the mirror. Tryin to smear Meredith's family all the time AND Meredith... YOU are one low class bitch.

  • @MrPig58 All of the people being horrid to MsBScotch, as much as I can understand your anger I really do think this person is unwell, and would ask you all to be a little more tolerant. If there is anyone here who knows this girl perhaps you would be good enough to get in touch with her carers and try to establish if she is ok.

    Thankyou.

  • @MsBScotch Hi. I've got to ask, but what do you mean by Karma biting Merediths ass? Sorry but what is it she is supposed to have done to deserve what happened to her? I'm not being funny or anything, really I'm not, but ..... are you ok?

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  • @MsBScotch ok, ive reported you to the person who posted this video so hopefully we can get this shit removed and you banned. You need help. My advice is ..... Go get it!

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  • @MsBScotch But you're a bad person, and karma will bite your ass eventually, you'll see ;) Mr Lumumba was held for two weeks. A black African man in a country that is racist. Whats odd though, is that he has said he was treated really well. No beatings. No torture. No abuse or pressure. But all of these thing apparently happened to knox? hmmm. The only person who has sd this is amanda, and she is a proven liar. She has never contested wot she did to that guy. So why r u making excuses. She isnt.

  • @MsBScotch I'll tell you something else. You think by coming on these pages and speaking the way you do, that you are somehow gaining support for amanda knox. But you really arn't. Its quit the opposite actually. You give the anti knox people real reason to despise her even more, and I think that if knox herself were to read the shit you are writing, she would be embarrased. You ..... are a fool.

  • @MsBScotch You r either sick, or just doing this to get attention. What is it that Meredith did to deserve to die then? And as you said, knox did her time for accusing an innocent man of murder. She did it. Guilty as charged. So how the fuck does that make her "pure of heart". Seriously now, you can not possibly be for real? Next you'll be saying the jews deserved to get gassed. Or OJ was innocent. You really r fucked up.

  • @MsBScotch LOL now you're insulting him too. You are a FUCKING FREAK! And yes, he will sue them. He will sue them for many millions of that you can be sure. Seriously, I hate people like you. I hope something really fucking nasty happens to you. Infact I'm sure it will. Bad things always end up happening to bad people. Karma its called. You're foul.

  • @MsBScotch LMFAO When Mr Lumumba sues the knoxy folks for every penny they have, and wins. Which he will. Now that will be funny. Hey, maybe knoxy can come stay with you when they have to sell their house? You and her could err ...... you know ..... share? You know what I'm saying *nudge nudge* Just don't have too many sharp implements around at the time, k? One of u will end up getting deaded *fingers crossed*

  • @MsBScotch Yeah, but you're calling Meredith silly names. I mean, she's dead. You are insulting a dead girl, who never did anything to hurt you, or anyone else. Why would someone do that? Saying things about people who are dead, its about as low as you can get tbh. And I'm sure the Kerchers said they respected the decission to let her go? Knox accused someone of murder too you know. She served three years for defamation for that. She is guilty of trying to send an innocent man to prison.

  • @MsBScotch ewww. I bet mommy and daddy r real proud of u. lol

  • @MsBScotch r u for real?

  • @MsBScotch OMG what is wrong with you? SICK!

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  • @MsBScotch Boy you really hate the Kerchers don't you. Seriously girl you need to get some help. Their daughter was murdered. Brutally murdered. And all they want is justice. You are one hatefull piece of shit.

  • Meredith Kercher's body is reported to have shown "no defence wounds." This term usually means wounds to the hands or wrists or shins and feet, which often appear on victims of sexual assault and a sequential violent murder, particularly when there is a knife used, because they struggled and resisted.. Meredith Kercher was an Orange Belt in Martial Arts...STRANGE how the evidence REVEALS she was NOT ABLE to STRUGGLE-Stephanie says she would have FOUGHT BACK!!!!!!!!

  • @kimatoz3 That really bugged me, too- no defense wounds on the victim.

  • Knox has told many lies. but usually the first statement is the truth, and that in her first statement she admitted to being in the house and covered her ears when hearing Meridiths initial screams. What you have to think next which no one knows did she go into her flatmates room to help, or in a drug induced state somehow got involved....anyway she didnt call the police, so if she was not the murderer then she is by law still an accomplice to the crime.

  • @scrmepal so wrong..that was her last statement, check again for her first statement

  • @hobitshouse

    If you want to say something about Meredith, say it. Don't drag your vomitous accusations into it.

    You defile the girl's memory.

  • @cedric1546 How the hell do you work that one out? I defile her memory, by defending her and critisizing the murderers? You've lost me I'm afraid

  • @XFreeWindX

    Shame on you for using the poor girl's memory to feed your vile hatred.

  • Well just so u know I'm an older American that is fascinated with everything British, the Monarchy and all. Had I ever been able to take a trip overseas it would have been to the UK. You can probably look up about false memories, you can wear a person down enough that you can plant stuff in their mind that they think is real. We had councilors do this to young children regarding sex abuse which ruined peoples lives and it's been done in many criminal cases. all must be filmed now.

  • @nancylp400 Yr probably right about the false memories but I just dont buy it here. And lets suppose for a minute she is guilty. She knows the interview wasnt recorded, so of course she will say this, that and the other. I personally find it hard to believe they were so hard on her. The guy she accused of doing it never said they tried to give him false memories or manipulate him. They had him bang to rights, as knox said he did it. She is a very manipulative person I feel.

  • @hobitshouse It's hard for me to believe in this age of so much technology that any police depart investegating such a horrible, brutal crime wouldn't record every single aspect of the investigation especially the interrogation of the suspects. It leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

  • Should blast a REMINGTON 12 gauge in that RAPIST/MURDERER Rudy's ugly fucken face...

  • @hobitshouse

    In his trial, Rudy Guede said he saw a lone Italian man kill Meredith.

    According to Rudy, the reason his blood, finger prints, shoe prints, and semen are all over Meredith and her room is because he was trying to help her.

    You are making a fool of yourself.

  • @cedric1546 r u being funny or what?

  • @MsBScotch The Kercher family is not stupid, they are grieving and they trusted the Italian police to solve this case and they did it by trying to railroad innocent people.

  • @nancylp400 ah, innocent people going to jail huh ...... like they poor guy knox accused? Yeah but I bet shes got a really good reason for doing that right

  • @hobitshouse Yes, the independent investigators were hired by the defense but if the original evidence would have been true it would have stood, the judges would have accepted the original and not the second investigation. These "kids" weren't bright enough to clean all thier fingerprints/blood whatever from the crime scene but leave the real killers. As far as the lying that goes back to the way they were interrogated and the Itallians didn't record it...strange if you aske me.

  • @nancylp400 It is strange, especially after she appeared in court not long after and was far from coming across as someone who had been beaten and tortured and all the other stuff she has accused them of ( for which they r talkin of sueing her for btw ). Its also strange that she thanked the Italian police for the way they had investigated the case, and praised the Italian justice system. yr also right abt them not cleaning. So again, more police mistakes. More evidence "lost" to the prosecution

  • @hobitshouse It seems she had a split lip in the beginning but emotional torture/bullying isn't going to show up. It's not an unusual practice to use a good cop/bad cop approach to interrrogation to get someone to confess but if it goes on too long or is too agressive it can cause false memories if they start putting dif senarios in her head. They should have recorded it, normal procedure in the US as it protects both sides.

  • @nancylp400 Good cop/bad cop. False memories. All a bit far fetched for me. She went to the police station to start with voluntarily with her bf. Sat on his lap while he was questioned and did cartwheels outside. And u cant count the number of times she smiled her way through the court room. 15 hours of questioning and she comes up with three or four versions of her story and manages to wrongly accuse an innocent man. Naaa. Maybe after 15 weeks of interrogation. But 15 hours? Really?

  • @hobitshouse We've had documented cases here where rough interrogation techniques have caused false memories and false confessions, this is nothing new I'm surprised you haven't even heard of this. This is the reason all interrogations should be recorded...always! And I'm not being rude about the British or Italian people nor would I ever so I don't get this rudeness about Americans.

  • @nancylp400 I dont get the false confession though? She falsley confesses to hearing her boss rape and murder Meredith. Then she falsley remembers she wasnt there, AFTER her boss turned out to have a cast iron alabi. U r right in what u say. Rillington Place? many years ago now but someone hanged for that. Wrongly. But this case is different. But, as u say, procedures wernt followed, and so much evidence was now inadmissable. Thats why I say this case will be used for years as an example

  • @nancylp400 I guess the rudeness comes from some of the comments u read. I have seen "us" being called simple, retarted, backward people. I have seen a young american girl, on a page devoted to Merediths memory, calling Meredith names I wont repeat and saying her family are evil. I mean, no one else seems to come up with these kinds of comments, other than americans. People forget the Italians locked up Soliccito too, a fellow Italian. But americans think its all some sort of anti american thing

  • @hobitshouse Yea, I've seen some rude remarks towards Meredith and her family as well and that's uncalled for. Meredith was clearly a beautiful girl with a lot of promise and she didn't deserve to be brutally murdered the way she was. I personally think it was probably done by that guy that ran to Germany alone, it only took one evil person to do what he did and it was his dna etc that was all over that room.

  • @nancylp400 I'd like to agree but the problem is, she didnt defend herself, and when he was convicted, he was convicted on the agreement from all sides, that he didnt act alone. I just find the whole thing really sad, and for the Kerchers to see the "killers" convicted, and then freed, it must be so hard for them. Utterly in limbo. If it cd be proven one way or the other that knoxand her bf did or didnt do it, it wd be great for everyone. Its one of those where no one wins unfortunately. So sad.

  • @hobitshouse Regarding false memories, if you want to look up the McMartin Preschool trials in the 80's, Wikipedia has a good explaination of what happened. Much of this was filmed, these were kids but it also has happened with adults, I'll see if I can find some cases if you want. GoodCop/badcop is a tech used, goodcop is friendly to suspect, asks him general questions, offers him help, he leaves badcop comes in and is mean, wears people down after hrs & sometimes will say anything.

  • @nancylp400 I dont doubt you r right but amanda knox is an intelligent young adult. She showed on signs of being manipulated or being abused and she has been more than coherent all the way through the trials. All that has been inconsistant has been her and her bf's stories. She isnt a young child. She is a young adult, and I think she and her defense team have played a clever game. And yes, the police handling has been terrible. I think the Kerchers have done well to bite their tongues TBH

  • @hobitshouse A lot of smart, bright people have been railroaded by these types of interrogations. I'll tell you what. OJ Simpson guilty as hell but aquitted & couldn't stay out of trouble, did you guys hear about Casey Anthony case? Prob killed her 2 yr old, pathological liar, aquitted but have serious doubts she can stay out of trouble. Most people that commit these kind of crimes can't stay out of trouble, if she commits another violent crime I will admit she might have done this one.

  • @nancylp400 I agree with you there. I hope Soliccito does go and see her as if they did do it, they will mess up at some point. Next month, next year, in 10, 20 years. One will say something and someone will over hear or something like that. And if she is a sexual deviant then that will come out in the open at some point. If she is guilty, it'll catch up with her some time. I havnt heard of that case, but like u say, OJ couldnt help himself and he has to live with himself at the end of the day

  • @hobitshouse If they are sexual deviants it won't take 20 yrs and if he doesn't come to US and she has that in her she'll just find someone else, so will he in Italy. Look up Casey Anthony in Google or youtube, how they could find her not guilty is beyond me. We followed it for 3 yrs. No one even knew baby was missing for 31 days.

  • @nancylp400 I will do. Look up 10 rillington place. There is a movie of it with richard attenbrough and john hurt. Im sure the character played by hurt got hanged and in the end they found out the other guy was a serial killer. Theres a documentary about it on here. A lot of this case formed part of the argument for getting rid of capital punishment in the UK.

  • @hobitshouse I will look it up, The way I feel about cap punishment is only..ONLY when there is no doubt. Ted Bundy serial killer in the 80's admitted so sure with him but too many killed when doubts remain. TX is the worst state for executions I think. I am in Oregon, none for yrs and we have one guy begging to get on with it. (he was in for life but murdered someone in prison so now on death row and is ready to die but this state is very slow with executions)

  • @nancylp400 I'm anti tbh. Just. I think its wrong to ask someone to murder a human being, in order to punish someone for murdering a human being. Just seems wrong. But then you get the odd case ( this one being one of them ) where I wouldnt lose any sleep seeing someone like guede being killed. What annoys me though is when someone gets "life" in prison and they are out in 15 years. I do believe life should be life. We r too soft in the UK tbh. Prison is an easy ride. Yr prisons r a lot tougher

  • @hobitshouse I read 10 Rillington place. wow! Sounds a lot like a case in Chicago, John Wayne Gacy who raped and killed 33 young (teen) boys in the 70's and hid the bodies in floorboards of house and in garden. I once had the misfortune of smelling a body that had been dead in the heat of summer for a month, seems like the smell would have been unbearable. I understand how you feel about execution and can easily be swayed to change my mind on that.

  • @hobitshouse Regarding the US being tougher on crime, I'm not familiar with the UK in this regard but there was a time here that they got more time for stealing a car then some murders. Now we do have something called measure 11, for some crimes, not just murder but repeat offenders etc, they have to serve the full sentence, no time off for good behavior etc so sometimes it's good but we still seem to convict innocent peeps too often imho.

  • @nancylp400 Im afraid that happens everywhere. What gets me is that if you steal something from the post for example, you get three, maybe four years. But Pedo's get the same amount. Its so dispraportionate to me. I suppose it will never be perfect though.

  • @hobitshouse They are getting tough on pedifiles here, a local guy raped his own kids (they had never gone to school), kids so damaged that foster mom says if you try to take thier picture they pose seductively, the oldest one is about 8 I think. They can't socialize or be around other kids. He got 50 yrs but the mom, who knew what he was doing & did nothing only got 3 but gratefully she'll never see her kids again. This was a measure 11 crime so he'll be about 90 when released.

  • @nancylp400 Well, I'd bring back castration for these bastards, and brand their foreheads with a big P. A friend of mine runs a nursing home and is privvy to info regarding people on the sex register in the area where she works. She cant tell anyone, but she did say, you would be amazed at how many there are. Its truly scary. And they r allowed to wonder the streets free? Its wrong.

  • @hobitshouse We can get lists of registered sex offenders in our zip codes (postal codes, don't know if you use them), gives addresses and sometimes pictures. There is a P next to the ones considered to be preditors. I agree with the castration.

  • @nancylp400 zip codes, post codes is our version. But they are protected here. Only those in the authorities are allowed to know, and even they have a hard time finding out. Thats what I mean about us being a bit soft. Human rights gone mad I'm afraid

  • @hobitshouse Wow! Sex offender lists are public info here, anyone can get them, as a matter of fact there is a protest going on downtown for the past wk, people sleeping there etc and the police just went there to inform them that a homeless sex offender lists that park as his home.

  • @hobitshouse They can sue all they want but how are they going to prove it wasn't true since they didn't record the interrogation? It's been said that SHE can sue them for wrongful prosecution and she has the proof they screwed up but I'm sure she has no intention of going back to Italy to do that. I guess she could send her attorneys there on her behalf, I doubt she would have to be there, thier mistakes are well documented.