Bravo. As a "beliver in Christ" (I don't use the name "Christian" as of late because I find it has a negative connotation due to its perversion) I was greatly educated by this video. Thank you.
There exists those who believe that the only way to commune with God is by not holding any of the 8 criterias you mentioned, or any reverance at all for that matter, stating that any attempt to commune with God equals rejecting its creation, thus God will not accept you. It would be awesome if we had an actual, large congregation of such people... ;)
Religion is nothing more than a belief system: what you practice, what you profess, and is the bases on how people act. Religion was created by man to segregate and separate people and often times from the truth of life itself. Music can be a religion. You practice it by listening everyday, profess it by singing it, and the type of music you listen to reflects your actions. All these so-called scientific hypothesis studies are what confuse people. GOD is simple if you really get to know HIM.
@SignatureXYndivydual You're using religion as a metaphor by saying that music can be a religion. And if you think you don't, then it just goes to show that you're drawing no distinction between the meaning of a word and its metaphorical usage.
As for "so-called scientific hypothesis studies" (whatever THAT means), don't take your own ignorance for a universal fact. God may be simple to you because it's a cop-out excuse for what people don't understand. Just plug in "gawd did it!"
@TaylorX04 I never expected you to agree with the simplicity of GOD because you (whatever your beliefs are, probably Atheist) have been deceived just like all other partakers in religion, Christians, Jews, Satanists alike. GOD is meant for everybody but is forced upon no1. The wisdom you lack in reasoning is that you look at GOD, truthfully, like everyone else. Hence, your video on religion. The problem with you know-it-alls is that though you may research and define, wisdom is the key to truth.
@SignatureXYndivydual The problem with you "wise" asses is that you define things so narrowly and exclusively that only your view is the truth. In that sense, you're no different from Christians, Jews, Satanists, and other religious believers. Unless it follows a standard that is independently verifiable, truth is nothing but a personal label and serves no purpose except to delude people like yourself into extreme arrogance.
@TaylorX04 You are absolutely right! I do define things narrowly because over-thought is what has possessed man into thinking he is something greater than the creation itself. We behave just as animals do with the exception of they understand their place in the creation. This is why hibernation and migration is just as narrowly defined as truth itself. On the contrary, you with with your "broad", "freewill" conundrums in thinking are more closely associated with religious groups than I.
@SignatureXYndivydual We don't "understand our place" in creation? What would that place be? It seems more like you're the one over-thinking things to arrive at this mythical "place" we should understand, as though there's some official standard for us to adhere by. I don't pretend to have broad, free will conundrums (whatever the fuck those are), but I do know a grey area when I see it, and I also know that without reason, arguing boils down to empty assertions, as you are demonstrating.
@TaylorX04 As for metaphorical usage, all things can be compared/defined/associated/liken-to something, for nothing comes from nothing. The reasoning you lack is that everything has already been defined but thru your own interpretation, you manage to dissolve the truth and create theory. This is why the Bible cannot be interpreted and religion is a man-made divisor. But no need for me to explain for I know Christians closer to the truth then you and it's hard enough getting them to WAKE-UP!
@TaylorX04 Try speaking to christians from all over the world and you'll see how broad their paths of "getting to heaven" are. Same with every other religions. You thinking that there is a concept of truth is the problem. You people can't deal with the possibility of there being 1 truth, no concept needed. Understanding is for the misunderstood, for praise is not needed in truth. You can keep your broad conundrums of reality, religion and truth. I'll role with The Most High. Done Roasting you.
@SignatureXYndivydual You're an absolute imbecile. The concept of truth is essential because it takes a reasoning mind to recognize truth. Truth is a value or property, it's not a thing, and it depends entirely on context whether or not something is true. You have utterly failed to "roast" anyone or anything, but you have very well established your own ignorance. "Understanding is for the misunderstood?" Lmao, you might as well say brains are for chumps! The "Most High" is an idiot! Hilarious!
At its base, religion is the communal belief that natural events not directly controllable by human hands can be controlled by invoking the deities/spirits/forces alleged to control those events.
Let's face it. Even giving the event a name is a means of controlling it.
In fundamental Buddhism, gods and spirits are rejected for their incompetence in alleviating human suffering, the main issue of Gautama's preaching, placing the burden back into human hands.
@EvenGodsSuffer You should look into Taoism. It shuns the idea of controlling anything in favor of "going with the flow," basically. Your definition has heavy value bias towards a rationalistic explanation for the origins of religion. I'd lean towards that explanation when we're talking origins of religion, but to incorporate that into the definition is just bias, I'd say. No better than believers who incorporate their anti-atheist bias into defining atheism as a delusion, brain disease, etc.
Back when I was an evangelical Christian, it occurred to me that we should stop saying, “Christianity isn’t a religion.” I realized that groups such as the American Centers for Law and Justice frequently argued in federal courts that the First Amendment’s establishment clause protected Christianity's freedom of religion. It seemed disingenuous to legally argue that our beliefs and activities were protected under the establishment clause and tell people Christianity isn’t a religion.
@smartwarlord I can't believe you're saying this. What other religion uses tefillin or mezuzahs? What other religion celebrated a Passover Seder before Judaism? As an atheist, there's a lot in those 613 commands that I disagree with, particularly the blasphemy laws.
I explicitly asked for what you disagree with on moral grounds. What of the commandments (the few of them that even can be construed as moral-related) do you disagree with? Do you not think murder, rape, child molestation, bestiality, etc are immoral? These are really the only commandments that deal with morality. The rest are exclusively for Jews, with the exception of the sheva mitzvot.
What purpose is there in opposing blasphemy laws? No one can even be executed now.
@smartwarlord You're playing semantics now. By "unique moral codes," I simply meant Judaism, like many religions, has moral precepts that are not all the same as Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. That you point out that some are exclusively for Jews is a great way of making my case for me. It is, by your own rationale, moral for Jews to observe them, and the fact that only Jews observe them makes them moral precepts that are unique to Judaism. Thanks for proving my statement.
That was completely incoherent. I said emphatically that nothing Judaism has in regards to morality is different from that of an Atheist. There is no extra morals to be followed. Morality is objective, doesn't matter what you believe, unless you're a psychopath EVERYONE agrees on morality.
@smartwarlord The "smart" part of your name really seems to be a misnomer. Nothing of what I said is incoherent - you just either choose to ignore it or you're too slow in the head to understand. And no, everyone doesn't agree on morality, which is why we have major issues of disagreement here in America, like abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, etc. You're living in a fantasy world.
@smartwarlord "Religion in America means: Any devoutly held belief outside Political thought"
Wouldn't that mean some Christianity is a religion and some isn't? What is religion in Australia? What about international waters? What if a religious person moves to a country where his religion ceases to be a religion? Are you absolutely sure you're not chatting complete bollocks?
Good video. I would say there is a correlation between people who have "religious"faith and those who are fanatical about their home football team. If my team score a goal in the dying seconds of a game, i am filled with joy and overwhelming love, maybe even more so than a christian in a "state of love".
My favorite are the Christians who say Christianity "isn't a religion. It is a relationship with God." When they say that shit, as much as I want to give them a facefoot, I hold myself back and just give myself a facepalm. And let's not talk about Scientology. That shit has a big following in the area of Florida my friend lives in and I have to hold myself back from beating sense into them every time I'm across the pond.
I remember talking to one of my fundamentalist christian friends when he said that "Christianity isn't a religion" and all I could think was "Oh, no you don't". lol. You can have all of your beliefs and ideas and make all of your unsubstantiated claims all day long, but you CANNOT have this one. Christianity DEFINES religion no matter what way you look at it and anybody honest enough or learned enough knows this.
@GrunnenEnSeyst It is a way of seeing how it's been historically understood, so it does have something to say about meaning, though it may not be contemporary meaning.
@TaylorX04 That way it makes sense. In the video however, you introduce the etymology part as a way to find out what we are talking about (=what is religion). Therefore I didn't understand it as an exploration of the attitudes of ancient romans regarding religion. But I guess I'm probably nitpicking.
@GrunnenEnSeyst It's important to know the history of any topic you wish to make a presentation of. The "re-connect with the divine" sounds like religion al right, and that is also what the word religion means and strives for, so why not make that abundantly clear?
I really love your videos! If I had an income I'd be sure to support your channel with it..but..alas..I do not. So I suppose that the best thing I can give you is a pat on the back. Keep up the good work!
Let me run with this definition ... 'A collection of people who share common beliefs and/or practices, which are not based in reality, which compels their way of thinking and actions' Problems?
I would include sports for some people. Devotion, worship, idols, superstition, community, etc.
@DimmedDiamond The part about "not based in reality" looks like value bias to me. You may not intend it that way, but I don't think there's any question that religious believers consider their views to be part of reality.
@TaylorX04 "but I don't think there's any question that religious believers consider their views to be part of reality."
Now we have to define reality too, to clarify it. I'd argue the short explanation. It is _their_ reality,albeit not one could argue a plausible reality if one breaks the beliefs down with simply asking: "How do you know that there is a god" and yadda yadda yadda and so on. Some claims breaks down pretty fast when you ask for the source and then question the source as accurate.
@TaylorX04 Not all opinions are equal - Not all claims are valid. There are tried and true methods to demonstrate what claims have been validated, and which have not.
@DimmedDiamond I agree, but like I said in the video, definitions are not about the truth value of what you're defining. First you have to know what it is before you can say something is valid or not.
@TaylorX04 The degree of truth value is an essential part of the definition here. All 'systems' that deal with untruthfulness are not religious, but all religions are based in untruthfulness.
@DimmedDiamond Not at all. Religion is belief just like Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc. You must first understand the content of the belief before making a judgment on its truth. It's our opinion that all religion is based in "untruthfulness," but to define that into the nature of religion is no better than a theist who attempts to define god into existence.
What could also be very usefull in theist/ atheist discussion would be a defenition of what a god is. Are the omnies required? Does it have to be The Creator?
The problem here is of course that theist don't like to define anything, because then they can be called on it.
@FurieMan "The problem here is of course that theist don't like to define anything, because then they can be called on it."
This is so true it hurts. Most of the religious I've come into contact with, even family members often do not even know their definition of god - but damn it, speak for on gods behalf and try and convert me they want any way.
i don't consider any belief in the super natural "relgion". i consider all such beliefs to be SUPERSTITION.
qwyzl 1 week ago
This is a wonderful concise video on a non-value judgment approach on defining religion, thank you!
philonous09 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TaylorX04
Bravo. As a "beliver in Christ" (I don't use the name "Christian" as of late because I find it has a negative connotation due to its perversion) I was greatly educated by this video. Thank you.
michael72986 1 month ago
There exists those who believe that the only way to commune with God is by not holding any of the 8 criterias you mentioned, or any reverance at all for that matter, stating that any attempt to commune with God equals rejecting its creation, thus God will not accept you. It would be awesome if we had an actual, large congregation of such people... ;)
GnosticAtheist 2 months ago
Religion is nothing more than a belief system: what you practice, what you profess, and is the bases on how people act. Religion was created by man to segregate and separate people and often times from the truth of life itself. Music can be a religion. You practice it by listening everyday, profess it by singing it, and the type of music you listen to reflects your actions. All these so-called scientific hypothesis studies are what confuse people. GOD is simple if you really get to know HIM.
SignatureXYndivydual 3 months ago
@SignatureXYndivydual You're using religion as a metaphor by saying that music can be a religion. And if you think you don't, then it just goes to show that you're drawing no distinction between the meaning of a word and its metaphorical usage.
As for "so-called scientific hypothesis studies" (whatever THAT means), don't take your own ignorance for a universal fact. God may be simple to you because it's a cop-out excuse for what people don't understand. Just plug in "gawd did it!"
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 I never expected you to agree with the simplicity of GOD because you (whatever your beliefs are, probably Atheist) have been deceived just like all other partakers in religion, Christians, Jews, Satanists alike. GOD is meant for everybody but is forced upon no1. The wisdom you lack in reasoning is that you look at GOD, truthfully, like everyone else. Hence, your video on religion. The problem with you know-it-alls is that though you may research and define, wisdom is the key to truth.
SignatureXYndivydual 3 months ago
@SignatureXYndivydual The problem with you "wise" asses is that you define things so narrowly and exclusively that only your view is the truth. In that sense, you're no different from Christians, Jews, Satanists, and other religious believers. Unless it follows a standard that is independently verifiable, truth is nothing but a personal label and serves no purpose except to delude people like yourself into extreme arrogance.
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 You are absolutely right! I do define things narrowly because over-thought is what has possessed man into thinking he is something greater than the creation itself. We behave just as animals do with the exception of they understand their place in the creation. This is why hibernation and migration is just as narrowly defined as truth itself. On the contrary, you with with your "broad", "freewill" conundrums in thinking are more closely associated with religious groups than I.
SignatureXYndivydual 3 months ago
@SignatureXYndivydual We don't "understand our place" in creation? What would that place be? It seems more like you're the one over-thinking things to arrive at this mythical "place" we should understand, as though there's some official standard for us to adhere by. I don't pretend to have broad, free will conundrums (whatever the fuck those are), but I do know a grey area when I see it, and I also know that without reason, arguing boils down to empty assertions, as you are demonstrating.
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 As for metaphorical usage, all things can be compared/defined/associated/liken-to something, for nothing comes from nothing. The reasoning you lack is that everything has already been defined but thru your own interpretation, you manage to dissolve the truth and create theory. This is why the Bible cannot be interpreted and religion is a man-made divisor. But no need for me to explain for I know Christians closer to the truth then you and it's hard enough getting them to WAKE-UP!
SignatureXYndivydual 3 months ago
@SignatureXYndivydual More vague and empty assertions. You'll never accomplish anything so long as you continue to abuse the concept of truth.
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 Try speaking to christians from all over the world and you'll see how broad their paths of "getting to heaven" are. Same with every other religions. You thinking that there is a concept of truth is the problem. You people can't deal with the possibility of there being 1 truth, no concept needed. Understanding is for the misunderstood, for praise is not needed in truth. You can keep your broad conundrums of reality, religion and truth. I'll role with The Most High. Done Roasting you.
SignatureXYndivydual 3 months ago
@SignatureXYndivydual You're an absolute imbecile. The concept of truth is essential because it takes a reasoning mind to recognize truth. Truth is a value or property, it's not a thing, and it depends entirely on context whether or not something is true. You have utterly failed to "roast" anyone or anything, but you have very well established your own ignorance. "Understanding is for the misunderstood?" Lmao, you might as well say brains are for chumps! The "Most High" is an idiot! Hilarious!
TaylorX04 3 months ago
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6stringsbrainfingers 4 months ago
@6stringsbrainfingers Yeah right.
Newton was a stupid and gullible? And Blaise Pascle too?
Don't be so quick to judge, there is more than meet the eye when it come to "irrationnal" beliefs.
Contevent 4 months ago
Growing up, i was told: "Islam is not a religion; it's a way of life." which really means: "Islam is totally a religion, and an oppressive one too."
DSAhmed 4 months ago
Well researched as always :)
TempleOfInanna2 4 months ago
I would say, inspired by Aronra's definition, that all religions include claims about:
- The supernatural.
- The purpose of our existence.
- An afterlife, or at least what happens when we die.
All of which are unsupported by evidence and therefore requires faith.
OddityDK 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
At its base, religion is the communal belief that natural events not directly controllable by human hands can be controlled by invoking the deities/spirits/forces alleged to control those events.
Let's face it. Even giving the event a name is a means of controlling it.
In fundamental Buddhism, gods and spirits are rejected for their incompetence in alleviating human suffering, the main issue of Gautama's preaching, placing the burden back into human hands.
EvenGodsSuffer 4 months ago 3
@EvenGodsSuffer You should look into Taoism. It shuns the idea of controlling anything in favor of "going with the flow," basically. Your definition has heavy value bias towards a rationalistic explanation for the origins of religion. I'd lean towards that explanation when we're talking origins of religion, but to incorporate that into the definition is just bias, I'd say. No better than believers who incorporate their anti-atheist bias into defining atheism as a delusion, brain disease, etc.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
Religion: A bunch of made up crazy nonsense.
...Think maybe there's some value bias in my definition?
Hooya2 4 months ago
Back when I was an evangelical Christian, it occurred to me that we should stop saying, “Christianity isn’t a religion.” I realized that groups such as the American Centers for Law and Justice frequently argued in federal courts that the First Amendment’s establishment clause protected Christianity's freedom of religion. It seemed disingenuous to legally argue that our beliefs and activities were protected under the establishment clause and tell people Christianity isn’t a religion.
Cathmoytura 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
Judaism offers no unique moral code. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is morality even mentioned.
-Orthodox Jew
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord Except for the 613 mitzvot, including the ten commandments.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
Nothing contained in the mitzvot is "new" or "unique" morality. Show me a single commandment which deals with morality that you don't agree with.
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord I can't believe you're saying this. What other religion uses tefillin or mezuzahs? What other religion celebrated a Passover Seder before Judaism? As an atheist, there's a lot in those 613 commands that I disagree with, particularly the blasphemy laws.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
I explicitly asked for what you disagree with on moral grounds. What of the commandments (the few of them that even can be construed as moral-related) do you disagree with? Do you not think murder, rape, child molestation, bestiality, etc are immoral? These are really the only commandments that deal with morality. The rest are exclusively for Jews, with the exception of the sheva mitzvot.
What purpose is there in opposing blasphemy laws? No one can even be executed now.
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord You're playing semantics now. By "unique moral codes," I simply meant Judaism, like many religions, has moral precepts that are not all the same as Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. That you point out that some are exclusively for Jews is a great way of making my case for me. It is, by your own rationale, moral for Jews to observe them, and the fact that only Jews observe them makes them moral precepts that are unique to Judaism. Thanks for proving my statement.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
That was completely incoherent. I said emphatically that nothing Judaism has in regards to morality is different from that of an Atheist. There is no extra morals to be followed. Morality is objective, doesn't matter what you believe, unless you're a psychopath EVERYONE agrees on morality.
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord The "smart" part of your name really seems to be a misnomer. Nothing of what I said is incoherent - you just either choose to ignore it or you're too slow in the head to understand. And no, everyone doesn't agree on morality, which is why we have major issues of disagreement here in America, like abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, etc. You're living in a fantasy world.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
@TaylorX04
There is absolutely no connection between morality and abortion/gay marriage/gun rights.
Yes, ethics are in play with abortion or euthanasia, but certainly not with gay marriage or gun rights.
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord You are an imbecile, plain and simple.
TaylorX04 4 months ago
Religion in America means: Any devoutly held belief outside Political thought
Religion in Europe means: Any order or institution that objects to the government and society, and would like a new society.
Religion in Dar Al-Islam means: Any set of ideas concerning the Creator. (thus most forms of Hinduism are not religions, nor is Buddhism)
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord "Religion in America means: Any devoutly held belief outside Political thought"
Wouldn't that mean some Christianity is a religion and some isn't? What is religion in Australia? What about international waters? What if a religious person moves to a country where his religion ceases to be a religion? Are you absolutely sure you're not chatting complete bollocks?
saintlybastard 4 months ago
@saintlybastard
Are you absolutely sure you understand American English? I think not.
smartwarlord 4 months ago
@smartwarlord I shall meditate and fast for 40 days and 40 nights to gain knowledge of the mystical tongue of which you speak.
saintlybastard 4 months ago
I keep confusing you with Anubis. You sound identical! Love both your channels and your insights are equally deep.
destronia123 4 months ago
Good video sir.
TempleOfInanna2 4 months ago
Thumbed up and favorited :) Another gem of logic!
TheD0ded0de 4 months ago
Sounds like recent arguments about "atheism." Theists ,especially, claim that atheism is a religion and they often misrepresent it.
RadarKat73080 4 months ago
Good video. I would say there is a correlation between people who have "religious"faith and those who are fanatical about their home football team. If my team score a goal in the dying seconds of a game, i am filled with joy and overwhelming love, maybe even more so than a christian in a "state of love".
bonnie43uk 4 months ago
My favorite are the Christians who say Christianity "isn't a religion. It is a relationship with God." When they say that shit, as much as I want to give them a facefoot, I hold myself back and just give myself a facepalm. And let's not talk about Scientology. That shit has a big following in the area of Florida my friend lives in and I have to hold myself back from beating sense into them every time I'm across the pond.
HimesInu 4 months ago
I would add "A will full suspensions of critical thinking towards beliefs/the aspects in the religion"
FHomeBrew 4 months ago
I remember talking to one of my fundamentalist christian friends when he said that "Christianity isn't a religion" and all I could think was "Oh, no you don't". lol. You can have all of your beliefs and ideas and make all of your unsubstantiated claims all day long, but you CANNOT have this one. Christianity DEFINES religion no matter what way you look at it and anybody honest enough or learned enough knows this.
2003SCT 4 months ago
Scientology is a scam? FUCK. I just signed a billion-year contract.
MagnusIan 4 months ago 2
Well researched and well delivered. Thank you.
iiiiblaze 4 months ago
Interesting video. One thing though, why include the etymology? A word's etymology doesn't necessarily say anything about its meaning.
GrunnenEnSeyst 4 months ago
@GrunnenEnSeyst It is a way of seeing how it's been historically understood, so it does have something to say about meaning, though it may not be contemporary meaning.
TaylorX04 4 months ago 4
@TaylorX04 That way it makes sense. In the video however, you introduce the etymology part as a way to find out what we are talking about (=what is religion). Therefore I didn't understand it as an exploration of the attitudes of ancient romans regarding religion. But I guess I'm probably nitpicking.
GrunnenEnSeyst 4 months ago
@GrunnenEnSeyst It's important to know the history of any topic you wish to make a presentation of. The "re-connect with the divine" sounds like religion al right, and that is also what the word religion means and strives for, so why not make that abundantly clear?
Schneboll 4 months ago
@Schneboll Yes, an understanding of history is indeed important.
GrunnenEnSeyst 4 months ago
I really love your videos! If I had an income I'd be sure to support your channel with it..but..alas..I do not. So I suppose that the best thing I can give you is a pat on the back. Keep up the good work!
clandestine919 4 months ago
Let me run with this definition ... 'A collection of people who share common beliefs and/or practices, which are not based in reality, which compels their way of thinking and actions' Problems?
I would include sports for some people. Devotion, worship, idols, superstition, community, etc.
DimmedDiamond 4 months ago
@DimmedDiamond The part about "not based in reality" looks like value bias to me. You may not intend it that way, but I don't think there's any question that religious believers consider their views to be part of reality.
TaylorX04 4 months ago 3
@TaylorX04 "but I don't think there's any question that religious believers consider their views to be part of reality."
Now we have to define reality too, to clarify it. I'd argue the short explanation. It is _their_ reality,albeit not one could argue a plausible reality if one breaks the beliefs down with simply asking: "How do you know that there is a god" and yadda yadda yadda and so on. Some claims breaks down pretty fast when you ask for the source and then question the source as accurate.
Schneboll 4 months ago
@TaylorX04 Not all opinions are equal - Not all claims are valid. There are tried and true methods to demonstrate what claims have been validated, and which have not.
DimmedDiamond 3 months ago
@DimmedDiamond I agree, but like I said in the video, definitions are not about the truth value of what you're defining. First you have to know what it is before you can say something is valid or not.
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 The degree of truth value is an essential part of the definition here. All 'systems' that deal with untruthfulness are not religious, but all religions are based in untruthfulness.
DimmedDiamond 3 months ago
@DimmedDiamond Not at all. Religion is belief just like Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc. You must first understand the content of the belief before making a judgment on its truth. It's our opinion that all religion is based in "untruthfulness," but to define that into the nature of religion is no better than a theist who attempts to define god into existence.
TaylorX04 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 Is that what you'd call 'delicious irony'? I'd just like to leave this here: tinyurl dot com/c2ee74b
DimmedDiamond 3 months ago
0:00 : A PITIFUL PILE OF SECRETS
Bleachfanoftheyear 4 months ago
What could also be very usefull in theist/ atheist discussion would be a defenition of what a god is. Are the omnies required? Does it have to be The Creator?
The problem here is of course that theist don't like to define anything, because then they can be called on it.
FurieMan 4 months ago
@FurieMan "The problem here is of course that theist don't like to define anything, because then they can be called on it."
This is so true it hurts. Most of the religious I've come into contact with, even family members often do not even know their definition of god - but damn it, speak for on gods behalf and try and convert me they want any way.
Schneboll 4 months ago