you said that souli means something in albanian language....where albanian come from???in ancient greek civilization,ancient greeks colonized your territory .....so my friend you're greek......
Fake Hellen Ass should have no claim on these brave Albanian Warriors.. its a known fact greeks cant fight, so they rely on Albanian warriors and later try and claim them..i say fuck greece..do what you do best fuck each other since you "invented" it lol
who the fuck wants to be greekoturk....hahaha you are the black hole of europe...the wolfs are laughing at you in the mountains...go back to asia minor you migrants
@Ultrass123 You are dreaming, hahahhaha.... Why do I want to become a gypsy Greek? Oahahhahahahah You have such a fun... You Greek people are so stupid and egocentric that makes you think that all the other want to be Greeks... Buy a mirror to see your self how dark is your skin and after that think it again if an white Albanian want to become a gyspy Greek... Oahahahahah
The Souliotes are descendants of the ancient Greek Ipiros tribe Seli . From the Seli tribe were the Priests at the oracle temple at Dodoni. Seli=Souliotes= Ipirotans= Greeks ... Arbanites = ipirotans= Greeks .... Greece, Hellas = 6.000 years history ... oldest language of Europe.... <33333
@ArkoudoROMANTIC i dont hate greeks, i hate bastard greeks. i dnt have nothing to do with greeks. you dont now your own history. you mix our people with greek people. muslim albanian ??? i am not muslim hahha
This is the truth ! Well whoever wants can read and search , there are many ways to do that.We can not change the past .No mater how much we may dislike each-other ,we were here and we are gone be here for long time in these lands.
very funny video.....the only historically proved element is that south albania ( the 1/3 of albania to the south) of our days is the Greek Northern Epirus. It is stolen from Greece and given to Albanians like other greek teritorries to Turks, etc. All these regions are Greek from antiquity. Epirus is a greek region, with greek habitants. Illyrians came to Balkans, to the north of Epirus, many many centuries later....Just search WHEN illyrians came to Balkans & WHERE did they really COME from
@111000222000111 do you want to answer to you in english , albanian , greek or italian ???
better english .
if you can find me one , just one historical document that the Illirians camed in ballkan after the greeks , oops sorry . after the 4 tribes that is supposed to create the ancient greece . It is supposed because the dorians camed after the 3 main tribes ( IONIAN , ATAIOLIAN AND AXAIOUS ) . right ??? this is your story , like your supposed grandfathers write it . about 400 -450 years after.
@111000222000111 if you find it I 'm gonne admit that I am e fucking slav-turk-gypse-greek-egyptian mixed upp blood . but , If you start again with that bullshit of albanians from dagestan go and open some books from ancient greece and start reading . don't even tell me about the byzantine historian ( forgot his name ) that says that after a battle in south itali 10 thousand albanians andthey pased in albania . dont forget that albanians were SOLDIERS . they fought against rome and for rome .
@111000222000111 the 3 legions that protected rome where from illyria . cesar him self the modern historians says that used some of the way off fightings of illirians . the senat of rome used the ships that the liburns ( that its sayd that they camed from asias nimor , near troja , and its supposed that they took part in its defens and are a illyrian tribe ) used in adriatik . just the romans make them bigger . 4 ceasars camed from illyria . justinianos was the son off apoor illyrian and become
@111000222000111 the first emperator of east rome . albanians fought against goths , ostrogoths and other german and frank tribes . they fought aginst attila , againts byzant and for byzant . against normans and franks and for normans and franks . against turks and for turks . read for god history . not mine , not turks but your history . the history off herodes , thoukididis and many others from ancient greece . from rome , from byzant , from turkish , moors , egyptians and the other europeans
@MultiTaz10 Many historians and researchers are not sure that ancient Illyrians are truly the ancestors of albanians. You must search your history better, to find where you really come from and which is tte land of your ancestors. Don't try to stole other nation's history like skopians do. All the scientific world is laughing with skopians. Don't believe to the false imperialistic history of your political system which provided by your politicians to be teached at your schools.
@111000222000111 well thats the problem , cause I dont read the history from my country . I read the same book that you do . I dont read albanians writers but europeans . Now if you with many the serb historians and some greeks than it's you that have tou read more carefuly . I told , if you bring me 1 proof ( a link that has historical proofs ) I' ll admit that I'm a mongolian . cause I can post many links from historians taht they prove that there is no population movement
@111000222000111 during the 2 A.C until the 15 century when the turks camed . A nation off 3 milions its impossible to start from 10 thousand off barbarians that camed to conquest a land that has 100 thousand of autoctons . example the huns , they camed they left . whou stayed where conquerd and under continues asimilation from the slavs
@MultiTaz10 I don't think that i called you mongolian. And what if one person comes from mongolia ? Isnt he human ? I;m not a kind of racist but i demand the respect of my nation, my religion and my history. You must search your true roots not me. I m just saying that you cant albanize greek heroes of revolution like Hoxha did with greeks North Epirotans and like skopians are trying to do with Alexander the great.
@111000222000111 thats right , I agree with you . but if you want me to respect you then you must do the same . well my rooys are from peja , from tropoja , from gashi mountines and from follorina . fucked up you think ?? maybe for you but I'm pride for that , cause where my roots are from they speak the same language like me . I said you before all the historical proofs about your heros off revolution are from europeans writters , not albanian one . I beg you , read . read for god ,
@111000222000111 you demand respect I demand respect also . greeks think they have more common things with serbs then with albanians . why ??? cause we are neighbours ??? because kapodistrias wanted to create o ballkanian union ???? because riga was a truly beliver of that union ???? because we survived the romans , you survived the romans , because you survived the sllavs , we also , because we survived the turks , you did it also .then why you dont respect me and right to be in my land ???
@MultiTaz10 Hellenic culture is respected all over the word, many centuries ago until our days. Foreigners scientints and educated people are saying this, not greeks or even myself. As for the respect generally, i can say that out of the borders of my country hellenic culture must win the respect as it have been centuries ago. But inside my country i DEMAND from foreigners to respect my culture and my people. If they dont like it then they can easily go back to their motherland
@111000222000111 right . I didnt sayd anything about our culture , I didnt said even one word about your culture . But again I'm gone insist ine my point , if you want someone to respect you , you have to do the same . you win others respect towards you , its not something firm . if you dont want to understand it it's ok . as for that nice goodnight story about the prisons , read better the numbers . yes , it's true that there are to many emygrants in greek prisons
@111000222000111 but it's also true that the heads off the crime are outside and I wonder why ???? maybe because it's more easy to put the blame on someone else than to admitt that your country was ruled ( from 1821 ) politicans that were thieves , bastards , fucking upp theyre one country and people ??? In alla your modern history you had only 4 politicans that did something . Benizelos , Papandreou ( the grandfather ) , Karamanlis ( the old one ) and the Hunta leader Papadopulos .
@111000222000111 It's funny to when you leasten to greeks criticizing there one choices but you dont like it one some foreing one tell thet to you . I wonder how you call that behavior ??? Megalomania maybe ??? a country that still leaves with the pride off theyre ancestors before 2000 years . If they would see what you did to theyre ideas and land theyre bones would tremble in ttheyre graves . If you want your culture to win the old respect then you must turn your head backwards
@MultiTaz10 Crime was leveled up at least 300% last 20 years. Greece is full of Kalasnikov, the majority of them comes from stealing the Albanian military camps during anarchy period there (and not only that period). So, if you want to stay in Greece, 1) you got to learn the language fluenty 2) you got to have the economic power to keep your family in good level of life 3) you got to pbey to greek laws and 4) most of all to RESPECT the country that gave you the change for a better life.
@MultiTaz10 Crime was leveled up at least 300% last 20 years. Greece is full of Kalasnikov, the majority of them comes from stealing the Albanian military camps during anarchy period there (and not only that period). So, if you want to stay in Greece, 1) you got to learn the language fluenty 2) you got to have the economic power to keep your family in good level of life 3) you got to obey to greek laws and 4) most of all to RESPECT the country that gave you the change for a better life.
@111000222000111 I agree in everything , but I must insist . if you want repect , you must respect me . maybe you cant understand my view . I'm not tsaying abaut laws and govenement . land or culture . I'm saying abaut people . me like emigrant cannot axcept to be humiliated cause I am albanian ,
@111000222000111 shut up you are a discrase of europe. you animals. china bought al of your goverment obligations you are a fucked up nation. ouir history is much richer and older then yours. whe where there before you. you can see that in our language clothings. culture honour everything
@agon1984 Even europe is a greek name which borrowed by our language. Europe was the daughter of king Aginoras. She kidnapped by Zeus while he transformed into a bull. Then Zeus traveled her above the today europe region and after this he drove her into Krete and he married her. One of their children was King Minoas. Now go to discuss with your mongol Turk brothers to steal something more from our history. Maybe europe was an albanian lady. Sounds good eh ? hahaha XD
@111000222000111 .thats history of old greece, old greece like old egyptians farao people have nothing to do with arabs of nowerdays, you dont ahve to do nothing with old greeks. we are not discussing the history of old greece. but the history of the albanians. wich is tll know. the old greece is dead. ofcourse greece has a rich history. but albanians lived there next to greece with there illyrian history.
@agon1984 So, keep your history and don't try to steal from other countries like skopians do. As for greek history I must say that you are not the person who will criticize the greek history and the connection of ancient and modern times in Greece. You are not a historian or an anthropologist but just a simple YouTube user. All the societies all over the world passed differenet periods through centuries. Don't worry, Hellas will rise again. God have put His signature on it ! :)
@agon1984 Hey, you poor-minded boy, I don't mean that greece will rise economicaly. Jews are controling the global economic system so this seems impossible at least for the present time. I meant about cultural rebirth. Greece has the richest cultural treasure and national heritage among all the tribes on this planet, so it is at least funny when the barbaric hordes try to hurt us. You better search about your mongolian roots and don't put greece and greeks in your barbaric mouth again.
@111000222000111 your nation is fucked up, you are the poorest of the eu. you now why because you have a filthy national karkater, your are liers and thieves. big time. well if we have mongolic roots. be glad that we always helped you in war. our souliote warriors. botsari kolokotroni. al albanian roots. stupid fuck. you cant handle this. you steel our dances our music. we are the oldest nation in europe not you. old greeks died . just like the farao's died.
@agon1984 ""You are the poorest in the eu"" buhuha, who told you that ? The TV news ? haha. ..I don't know if we are liers but the only sure thing is that albanians are criminals....we see this every day here. The prisons have 80% albanians, another prove that you are a pure mongolian tribe. You are another victim of the ethnicistic propaganda of your mongolian nation, the dream about the great mongolia in balkans. The day that we are going to throw you away from greece is closing.
@111000222000111 well you like sitting and drinking tea, thats why albanians work in greece. and thats why you all are fucked up. they want to trhow you out of eu ahhaa. be glad that albanians work in greece, or you would have another problem. you are a bankrupt country, even in afrika you dont have this. the so important greece, bla bla bla. you are fucked up man. mongolian mongolian. turks are mongolians. where are you talking about. do we look like chinese ??? haha. shut the fuck up
@111000222000111 wait and see u fucking greek basadrd u fucking turkish gipssy in 5 yeaars u will see albaniens what gos aroung comes aroung and now is our time u fucking piss of shit wait and see we will send u back to turkey in kurdistan becous u cam from that place pakistan egipt iran and turkie we saw u coming in balkan remebr that is that not a sham we saw u coming and u hate that ahhahahah that means u are try gipssy i but in one side i can understand u no on want gipssy like u thats true
@MultiTaz10 And it is not megalomania to demand respect in your country from foreigner people that you host. I don't say that all albanias are bad, but it is such a mysterious thing that, for example. there are many many chinese in greece and not even one of them, entered violently in a house of old people to threat them with knife for 50 euro. Black people, same. Maybe they sell monkey-products etc but they did not threat human lives. IT is so so mysterious.
@MultiTaz10 So my dear friend, albanians MUST wake up and realise that this is Greece., not their country. They are hosted here. If they want to live here (if they have jobs ofcourse) they must respect greek state, its laws, the greek citizens and finally for the issue of the culture, you know, i dont really care. Everyone is free to have his own cultural taste. So the right of a greek to demand respect of HIS country is a normal human civilized behaviour.
@111000222000111 and try to understande how they did it . also stopo DEMANDING , no one can demand anything . you can only win it . if you dont respect me I dont respect you . I dont care if I am inside or outside off your borders because thats is meaningless . is egocentirc , sovinistic and megalomanistic way off thinking of some people thet still think that greece must be the GREATE HELLAS ( southern italy , ionian , cyprus ) and I dont know where the can stop . 2 continets and 5 seas .
@MultiTaz10 So, you don't care if you're inside my border or not eh ? Hey man, this land is GREEK it is not multi-cultural as some guys want to transform it to. Very soon greeks will do what they must to do, don't worry. As for prisoners and crime : Before 1989-1990 and the cataclysm of albanians in our country, our kids was playing alone in the streets until night time. Now not even elders dare to be outside at night. It is known also that Albanian prisons was emptyed in greece that period.
@111000222000111 and I dare you again to post a link that says that albanians moved in the ballkans and killed alla the illyrians or asimilated them . or that they camed with the turks ( like the serbians wants to belive ) . just one proff that says that it was a papulation movment inside ballkans and they where called albanians .
respect is something that nobody can demand , is something that you win . just lika alexander took illyrians troops with him . greek writte it not albanian
Also, cities like SARANDE, used to be Agioi Saranta and GJIROKASTER, used to be Argyrokastro, (kinda like ISTANBUL was Constantinople in Turkey) before Italy has given Greek territories over to form a country called Albania. No wonder why the Albanians led the fascist Italians their way into Greece on WWII, without opposing to them. Don't propagate using US newspaper articles..they r the same morrons that think that people in FYROM have a Greek ancestry. Try to google 'Illyrians' next time..
My surname is TZAVELLAS and im a a descedent of Fotos Tzavellas. Im afraid u have to remove your video because it is based on false facts. Souliotes were Greek like me. The reason some surnames of Greeks (not souliotes, though) r making sense in your language is because 1/3 of today's Albania, used to be Greek territory for thousands of years. Ali pasha, poisoned Fotos Tzavellas when he led souliotes in Corfu(where he died),so do u understand that they couldnt have helped the man they fought?
@theaggressivedrummer Sorry brother but the suli were Albanians here is proof read from page 448 this book "Travels in the Ionian Isles, Albania, Thessaly, Macedonia, &c. during the years 1812-1813 (Google e-bog) its free to read
by Sir Henry Holland. He wrote it 1812-1813 and is a neutral observation he made.
Sure you can be greek now if you chose... But your blood is albanian.
@Agron111 who gives a fuck about about a "sir"'s observation??? i come from a greek souliote family and i don't need some sir to tell me where i come from based on his observation...if i was albanian or arvanite, my family would pass on that information to their children, i have albanian friends so i wouldn't mind if i was albanian but you people are doing here is altering history and thats WRONG
If you dont bealive please see the documentary of this link: Alvanoi - Arvanites - Shqipetar - fustanella (Skai new documentary 1821)albanian subs - your own poeple - historians accepted that Arvanites are Albanians!!
@Blerta600 GREEK warriors that led the revolution in souli were NOT arvanites nor albanians stupid, arvanites are arvanites, albanians are albanians and greks are greeks got it?? the beauty of being different
@kaffir00 gayreek boys lose it with their fathers lol, they experience sodomy way before puberty, papa dimitris christens the young boy by sodomising him lmao, fucking taliban afghan gayreek reek of shit, a mongrel bastard nation liberated by albanians now you have the cheek to insult them you spineless little ottoman lap dog freak, only after albos defeat them you run your mouth cos until then you were their best little escorts you homos, i eat your mother and sister you little gayreek puff
the chams were originaly greek, then they betrayed greece, joined albania, became muslim and callaborated with nazi germany, so the great zervas gave them what they deserved. funny huh. fucking albanian scum who gives a flying fuck what you think, the most dirtiest nation , nuclear bomb will clean the earth if it blew up in albania. worst than white niggers
@kaffir00 ahahaha the cams were greek loool the arvanites are greek ahaaha
is that why you cant a understand their language. whats the difference between an irishman living in america and one living in ireland? the passport! blood, custom and culture is the same.
you dirty, hairy, gypsy, homosexual faggoty gayreek i'd cut your head off and rape your mother before your blood gets cold. you weak little feminine anus violating asiatics i piss on you all you fucking sand niggers
@hekoka,ww2 we fukd u up propr,albania was once a christian orthodox country now ur fuking muslim,go wank yourself while watching ur sister bath , albania is a nation of pimps,u pimp out all the woman in ur family including ur MUM and SISTER. and greece is biggest customer . albanian bitches including YOUR MOTHER love greek cock!! napoleon zervas is hero , look him up you dumb fucking albo/turk gypsy fuck. greece will never submit to muslim rule, you albos did . albanian / albo= white niggers
@kaffir00 you dont even know your own culture or history. is same like monkeys. albanians come to work in greece for a plate of food a day, i see you filthy fucks all over europe and EVERYONE HATES YOU. gypsies are better than dirty fucking albanian shit. white fucking mother whoring niggers. albania is a white muslim country . hahaha fucking white muslims, same religion like algeria, nigeria , pakistan and afghan. what a fuckup of a nation. wannabe hadji`s, FUCKING ALBANIAN. GREECE will fuck u
@kaffir00 who cares if some albos are muslims? how does that make you better you son of faggot. piss your orthodox church and on your anus violating priests. we run you, we made you, we drove the turks out for you.
modren greek heroes were abanians who did not speak a word of gayreek LOOK IT UP. together with your orthodox church they build a new nation a cocktail of slavs, turks, albanians, gypsies, arabs etc. you pakistani looking fucking gypsies, remember albanians MADE YOU
@hekoka you believe your own shit , fucking muslim idiot, hey albo, go eat a banana. typical albo claiming to be greek , fucking waste of human space.
@kaffir00 haha you afghan taliban looking freak, i would rather be a neanderthal then a fucking GAYreek who reeks of shit lol, go read Barko Boqari's biography, Kolokotroni's, Kondurioti's and others. read it anywhere they were Suliote aka Chams
i piss on your gayreek orthodox church and their schemes and i piss on islam and their mosques for that matter cos they're no better than you.
WE MADE YOU, we drove the turks out for you, us albanians, the descendants of those who fought for you freaks
@kaffir00 oh you fucked us up did you? you middle eastern fucking nomad, go back to herding camels in egypt. you fucked up unarmed civilian chams because we've been fucking you up since the times of Ali Pashe Tepelena when he used to smash greeks with sledgehammers lol
albanians are a breed of non-confroming renegades who have no regard for religious fairy tales and put nation first as opposed to you country of faggots. you cant call anyone a turk because greeks look like turks, you are them
But let's see the opinion of a turk-Albanian! I think that all of u know Ali Pasha! Look what he wrote when he asked the help of the Souliotes:
""The moment is now arrived, in which you can essentially serve me, and give proofs of your friendship and affection. Your pay shall be double that of my Albanians, fer I know your valour is superior to theirs. "
page 98, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport ;)
@orionasGR7 .. all wars are fought, orthdox albanians fought with greeks against, muslim souliote albanians wich where with the turks.. albanians against albanians. no greeks there
@agon1984 Souliotes were Greeks! Like it or not! I accept what they say! And they say that they are GREEKS! After all they hate albanians! I believe them! Not u!
@orionasGR7 .. souli exicst souliote warriors where albanians fighting for greek orthodox church , against turk and albanains. so the wars was albanians against albanians. who the fuck interest what you think or believe . go away
@agon1984 How the hell ask u if u interesting about my believes? I said tha i believe what Souliotes said and say!
They said that they were GREEKS!!!!!!!! SO i believe them! Who gives a shit if u believe that they were Albanians? They fought adn die for Greece! Modern Greeks are descendants of SOuliotes! So they are our heroes! The are PURE GREEKS!!!! I know that u envy Greek history because your history has no brave warriors as Souliotes, Sfakians, Maniates, Kleftes etc etc
@orionasGR7 bla bla, all bullshit, go do some research dont suck things out of your thumb. soulliote where albanian speaking, they became billingual in greek and albanian later, they come from north albania near kosova. nothing to do with greeks. they defended the greek orhtodox church. you made them greek, because you have no history. sfakians are greek,, maniates name for souliuote.. we no warriors hhaha bla bla
@agon1984 Hahahaha..It so fucking obvious that you have jealousy for Greeks and our history! U don't have heroes in your country and u try do find heroes from other nation just to fill the vacuum in your soul! Do u want search? Ok I am bringing to u the searches! Lets start with the letter of Captain Tzavelas to the turkalbanian tyrant Ali Pasha, when Ali Pashas kept hostage the son of the Souliote Captain! Read Learn and Enjoy!
"If we are victorious, I shall have other children, for my wife is young. As to my son, young as he is, he will be happy to sacrifice himself for his country, or he is not worthy to live, nor to be acknowledged as a child of mine. He will die with courage; if he do not, he does not deserve to be called a worthy SON OF GREECE, OUR COUNTRY."
page 100, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
@agon1984 HAHAHAHAHA......Sit and cry now! hahaha... Do u see what Captain Tzavela wrote about his son? If he don't die with courge "he doesn't deserve to be called SON OF GREECE".......Their country!!!!! Where is Albania? Where is their Albanian ethnicity? Where is their love about Albanians? NOWHERE! Souliotes were ready to sacrifice their lives, their families, their everything about Greece and only for Greece! Eat a Souliote dig now!!!! The Souliote Captain proved his GREEK ORIGIN!
@agon1984 But lets see how teh turkalbanian Ali Pasha watched Souliotes! Did he believe that Souliotes where Albanians? Let's see!
"The moment is now arrived, in which you can essentially serve me, and give proofs of your friendship and affection. Your pay shall be double that of Albanians, fro I know your VALOUR IS SUPERIOR TO THEIRS. "
page 98, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
@agon1984 WOW...So not only Ali Pashas believed that Souliotes were not Albanians but theri value as much more higher than this of the Albanians!!!! HAHAHAHAHA........... Why do u deny to accept the real history? It isn't bad! It is just the reality! Look what wrote the German ambassador Bartholdy for Souliotes
"...this Greek tribe that resident on the mount Souli..."“Voyage en Grece fait dans les Anees 1803 et 1804″
@agon1984 But let's see what the commander of the Lord Byron's brigade wrote for Souliotes!
"There were at the time great number of Souliots at Missologhi,as well as a number of adventures of all nations and all sorts of characters, and though we were anxiousto teach our arts to the SULIOTES AND THE OTHER GREEKS,who were therefore permitted to range..."
p 50,The Last Days of Lord Byron,William Parry,1826,Library of Michigan's University
Arraving at Missilonghi,and and finding that the widow and daughters, together with the brother of the celebrated Suliote chief,Marco Bozzaris, was residing in that town....In few momwnts the widow of Marco Bozzaris entered....she looked the widow of a hero; as one worthy of her GRECIAN MOTHERS,who gave thir hair for bowstrings...
chapter The family of Marco Bozzaris, The Ladies Pocket Magazine,Sir Roger De Calverley's Geost 1839
@agon1984 I can bring u for one week every day 10 quotes from people that met Souliotes, from people that lived with Souliotes, from people that fought with or against Souliotes, from professors from universities as Harvard, Michigan's University, etc etc.......... It is just an urban legend that Souliotes were Albanians! Of course there were few Cristian Albanian in Souli but their number was insignificant. Souliotes were GREEKS, as all the historical evidences show!
@BlizzardRoach Souli was on of the 4 big villages of SOuliotes! What means "Tetrachori" (Tετραχώρι) in your language! I have a better example for u! What means Albania in your language! Even the name "Albania" is not Albanian! It is latin! Does it mean that u are Latins? Open your eyes! The anwsers are infront of your eyes!
@orionasGR7 we call ourselves arber, arberesh or shqipetar ;) we dont call ourselves albanian .. the turks call you yunan, because of the greek ionian tribe ?! so do the latins because of the "alban" tribe ..
@BlizzardRoach Yes but the Souliotes never called themselves arberesh or shqipetar! They called themselves Greeks! Albania is a latin word and it means white! This can not be changed! You can do nothing! Souliotes were Greeks! The descendants of Souliotes live in Greece and the call themselves Greeks! So we (modern Greeks) are the descendants of Souliotes! Souliotes are part of our history! They sacrifice their lives, families, etc etc for Greece and its liberty!
@orionasGR7 actually " alba " means white .. OF COURSE THEY DID !!!! yeah they were greek orthodox, so they had to fight against ali pasha tepelena ;) .. stop your propaganda you uneducated fool .. the descendants of souliotes also live in albania in a place called GRAMSH ;) idiot
@BlizzardRoach Yes alba- is the root! Outside of Rome there was a place named as Alba Loga! Alps are from the same root! So a name means nothing! There are place all over the planet that have Greek names! Does it mean that they are Greeks? NO! Souliotes fought with and against Ali Pasha! Fought with and against Soultan! Every time that they fought, was fro the good of Greece! They never fought against the other Greeks!
@orionasGR7 DUDE; ITS A FACT THAT THERE WAS A ILLYRIAN TRIBE CALLED ALBANET/ALBANOI/ALBANES however you want to call it .. nothing to do with "alba" .. oh maaan your such an brainwashed idiot :( please shut your mouth .. there are many more openminded greeks that accept the fact that the souli and arvanites were and still are albanian .. stfu
@BlizzardRoach There was a city named Albanopolis (Greek-latin name) and the dwellers there named Albani! This doesn't mean something! U have never call yourselves Albanians! U said after all! All over the coast line of northern Mediterranean Sea, were places with names Albania or places that their names has the root alb- inside! Thank God that there are educated Albanians today that can see and accept that Souliotes were Greeks ! And hopefully in feature all the Albanians will accept it
@orionasGR7 unfortunately you ARE uneducated, there are some greeks of which you could think that they have studied history without having that done ..
@BlizzardRoach As for this stupid argument that they were Greek orthodox, i have nothing to say! It so stupid! Only a moron could not thing that there were Albanians that were Greek Orthodox and they never fought for Greeks and for the liberty of Greece! They never gave their lives and the their families for the good Greece! Why Souliotes then? It is simple! Because they were GREEKS!!!! U are uneducated! look my previous quotes from so many different people and tell me again who is uneducated!!
@orionasGR7 you can shove your propaganda up your ass you idiot !!! souliotes were people from the mountains, and SULI in albanian is the mountain-top .. SHUT THE HELL UP
your such an brainwashed uneducated idiot ... your words dont have any value
@orionasGR7 no, we gheghs are thraco-illyrian, tosks are more purely illyrian ;) .. modern greeks are slavs, turks, albanians and vlachs ..
my words have value ! " albania " is named after the illyrian tribe - so are the greeks by the turks .. this happens everywhere .. like some states call the germans " aleman " .. and some " german " .. you see? you're an idiot :)
@BlizzardRoach Oh ok! Albanians are the pure race of Balkans! HAHAHAHA!
Ok what ever u say! This was the perfect gift for me! I hope that this last coment from u (about the Thraco-Illyrian and Illyrians origin of Albanians) to stay many many many years hear, so everyone can see the mind-level of some Albanians!
@BlizzardRoach Oh really? Who found these words and where this someone found them? And how is ti possible the Albanian words to be same as Illyrians? illyrian language belong to the branch of IE languages that called Centum and the Albanian language belongs to the IE group that has the name Satem! Two totally different kind of speeches! It is impossible a centum language to be satem and vice-versa! As for the Illyrian words there aren't exist! Only Illyrian names we know!
But i wonder why professor Wilkes who is the ultimate expert on the issues of Illyrians and other IE tribes denies to accept the relation between Albanians and Illyrians? Oh let me guess! He is an uneducated idiot like me! ahahahaha!!!!! Good night my friend! I hope the morning to find another one of these funny messeges from u! REally how old are u? 15-16?
@BlizzardRoach Are really 17? HAHAHA!!!! For one more time i was so fucking right! Can u see it? Ok i suggest u to read the book of professor Wilkes "Illyrians" to see that not only there are not exist Illyrian words, but Albanians have nothing to do with them! Good morning and go to speak with someone to your age because my knowledges are to many for u! Bye bye my dear neighbour!
@BlizzardRoach souliote warriors, fought against albanian muslims. they are mountain people. wich didnt became muslim at ottoman. rule . they went to greece to fight witht there brothters greek orthdox. you become what you want to be. they talked albanian. they had albanain traditions. and botsari said al greek where cowards and had no honour. he learned greek when hes was 17, so suck of. you greek al are liers. even your goverment falsified goverment notes. wich fucking country does that haha
@BlizzardRoach "If we are victorious, I shall have other children, for my wife is young. As to my son, young as he is, he will be happy to sacrifice himself for his country, or he is not worthy to live, nor to be acknowledged as a child of mine. He will die with courage; if he do not, he does not deserve to be called a worthy SON OF GREECE, OUR COUNTRY."
page 100, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
@orionasGR7 .. richard a davenport was never there he wrote a story. you stupid fuck. ali pasha tepelena, was also a souliote but a muslim souliote. look at his pictures on the web. there you can see him in egypt with souliote warriors. the orthodox souliote sa them self after a certain amount of time as greeks, maybey in that time albanians where nown to be old greeks, and they returned to there country. yess
@agon1984 Who says that Richard A. Davenport Wrote just a story? These latter are accepted as real history and u can find them in many historical books and in every historical archive! But the biggest prof is that everyone can see these letters from the archive of Ali Pasha that it is in Ioannina and it is open to the public! So like it or not, these letters are true HISTORY! I know it pains u, but this is the reality!!!!!
@agon1984 And who says that Ali Pasha Tepeleni was from Souli? Propably your the only human on this planet that believes something like this! Since when the village Tepeleni (of those times) became pat of Souli? Since when Anatolia (where his grand-grand father came from) became part of Souli? Even his mother Hamko had nothing to do with Souli!!! So the opinion that Ali Pasha was Souliote is so alien as the opinion that ancient Epirotes were Albanians!
@orionasGR7 not from souli.,. souliote came from albania. they settled later on in souli. just that the name souli exist in greece, tells enough,. that a people settled there , souliotes settled there and you named it souli.. if they where real greek they would come al over greece and not just from 1 city,, just that tells enough that they settled later in greece
@agon1984 Nice comment man! Do u believe that Souli was only one village or city??? It is obvious tha tu don't know the history of Souli! Souli was only one of the villages! Actually Souli was a team of 4 basic villages and around them were other small villages: Souli- Avariko-Kiafa-Samoniva!!!! Is someone of these (exept Souli) albanian? NO!!!!And all together were called by Souliotes as "τετραχώρι" Tetrachori(4 villages) which is a totally Greek name!!
@orionasGR7 sulli is an albanian, word. and dont mean nothing in greece, you have many backnames sulli in albania. what does sulli mean in greek,??? in albanian sulli mean mountain people. tell me
@agon1984 that proves nothing.There are people of albanian origin in Greece today that don't know a word albanian but call themselves albanian and feel albanians.There are greek people in Albania today that can't speak greek but feel greeks.Names of locations,and even someone's language doesn't always prove its origin and national consciousness.I don't want to look like an ultranationalist but what I hate is thatsuch videos promote nationalism and hatred
@JonPANOU you cant just decide to feel italian can you? to be one you have to a bona fide italian. its not what a wretched simpleton feels, its the reality that matters. fact is the arvanite are of albanian stock just as the arberesh are except that the former are ashamed to accept their albanian roots because its not "cool" to be albanian in greece due fear of discrimination , so those weal wretched creatures bellow "im greek im greek (but my mother tongue is arvanite i.e. arbreresh ie albanian
@agon1984 The population of Souli was from all over the Epirus! Not just from one area! Another one prof that u don't know its history! U don't know its history but u speaking for it! What a meanness!!!!! And if they were Albanians then why they went to Greek aeras like Corfu, Ithaka, Mesologgi and they didn't go to their orthodox Albanian brothers the Tosks? Simple because the were GREEKS! So another one prof that they were Greeks among the dozens that i have brought u!
@orionasGR7 , albanians live for hundred of years in greece, ofcourse they go everywhere, marco botsari,. made a dictianary , albanian greek, in that time albanians nown as arberor. or arberesch.. souli warriors. after the lost of skenderbeu and islamisation of albania. they went south to greece, they hated muslims and turks. and saw albanians wich became muslims , as traitors. thats why they complete assimilted to greeks.in that time a you are a muslim you a turk.. a orthodox was a greek.
@orionasGR7 .. read some book, not just 1 illustration. you will come to the conclusion, souliote are albanians. suli means in albanian mountain people. read lord byron. read André Gerolymatos a greek.. read aristidh kollas. greek arvanite albanian. these people are linked with greek history, and lord byron visited greece. in a time where no one had to lie .
@agon1984 What a meanness! U said to me to read books when i have brought almost 10 different books? Are idiot or u try to be? Propably you are!
After all as i told u, we have the same phenomenon with the Souliotes all over the Greece! In Crete or Candia there were Sfakia and Anogia! In Morea there were the dwellers of Mani or Maina! In Arcadia there were the "Klephtes"! So the same phenomenon with Souliotes were very common among the Greeks that dwell on mountains!
@agon1984 But what i must wait from someone who confuse Ali Pasha with the Mohamed Ali of Egypt???Or from someone who says totally stupid things as "MAYBE in that time albanians where nown to be old greeks"... YEs maybe! The only problem is that none in the human history have never believed tha Albanians are old Greeks! Only the brainwashed modern Albanians believe something like this!
@orionasGR7 .. no ali of egypt, souliote are warriors wich where mercenary warriors in egypt. praying to allah. most documentet drawings of souliote are in egypt.
@agon1984 SOuliotes praying to Allah?????? Yes ok! To Budha too!!!! hahahahaha....Man are u serious??? Do u see what are u writing???? Souliotes to Allah???????/ hahahahaha
@agon1984 Go and read the book "Albanian identities: myth and history" to see who the communistic dectatorship in Albania manipulate the history and the archaeological findings and made the modern Albanians to believe that they have a relation with Illyrians, Epirotes, etc etc!!!!
You are victims of your own selves!!!! Nobody believes u! You live in a lie! But this is not my job! It is your job to find where u came from!
@orionasGR7 bla bla, look at our music our traditions they dont lie. we are number 1 epirotes albanian.vatican city made a statue of gjerg kastrioti, with these inscriptions hundred years ago. no reason to lie hundred years ago.
* IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus
@agon1984 So what if Kastriotes called king of Epirus? Soultan was the ruler of Constantinople but none called him Greek or Byzantine! Your arguments are like arguments from child! Without meaning!!!!!
@orionasGR7 no i am just trie to say, they made a statue, that he is king of epirus, in vatican city, in 1700 there was no reason to lie because there was no discussion or benefits to any race. for what epirus or souliote are. this discussiuon is noww. because albanians are free and greeks cant manipulate anymmore,. you could do what you wanted with retarded albania fur hundred of years.
@orionasGR7 yess ofcourse now they are assimilated to greeks, all cam albanian,, wich are muslim arvanite are killed and deported back to albania, in second world war. because they where arvanites with muslim religion and that was a link with albanians of now. you stole tsamiko., look this video for a greek priest what he says with hidden camera /watch?v=bsjUKLn9c94
@agon1984 The argument that Souliotes fought onlyt for church, because they were Greek Orthodox, is so stupid! If all of u were a little more clever u would have seen that many Albanians from the clan of Tosks were Greek Orthodox! But none of them fought the liberty of Greece! None of them gave his life for the liberty of a Greek city as Mesologgi! None of them sacrifice the liberty and the safety of his family for the good of Greece and the Greeks! Only Souliotes! Why? Because they were GREEKS!
@orionasGR7 if it was they where just greeks, there would be no discussion and you wouldnt be here discussing, because there was no need to discuss. your are defending. something that is hard for you to defend. because our language and tradtions and history documantation. proofs that we are linked with souliote warriors. and arvanite.
thats why you are discussing,, 100 dred of years could do manipulate and say what they want no its over. like you stole our tsamiko. cam dance. you stole every
@agon1984 If it was real that they were Albanians then u would be no discussion! But u are here and u trying to convince me that they were Albanians! And u try it without proofs contrary to me that i have brought u a dozen of books and evidences from Souliotes, Ali Pasha, Byron and all the people who lived with them! Yes i defend them from your cowardly effort to make them Albanians because Albania has nothing to be proud! AS a Greek is my duty to defend other Greeks from people like u!
@orionasGR7 haha, that just the problem. greeks is proud for what our people did for you, and you trie to defend this, but you cant because sadly arvanites still speak our language, even markos botsair, wrote a albanian greek dictionary. look it up on google. why should he do that if he was greek. our nation is much better then yours ., you are dark and look like turks. you can defend greeks, but you are defending albanians actually.. you must play bouzouki.
@agon1984 U make desperate efforts to make them Albanians! And this is meanness because u have the proofs of their Greek origin infront of your eyes but u deny them just because of your inferiority complex! And actually this is the essence of all this conversation! U are trying to to make the Albanians because u have nothing else to be proud!
U stole Northen Epirus, u stiole foustanela, u are trying to stole Souliotes, Alexander the Great etc etc! How pathetic! R u proud for all these?
@orionasGR7 .,. nothing to be proud. oldest nation of the balkans. most brave people of the world. most complex and beautiful language in euriope; most authentic music in europe. most beautiful clothing. warriors.. most dangerous criminals. most beautiful woman. i am proud of everything.. you greeks think we are turks. because we operated with the turks. but we are smart people in 500 years ofcourse we worked with the turks. and we where the bosses everywhere.
@agon1984 Tell me something! Is there even one chance to make u change your opinion? Probably no! Even if i bring u every day different books u will stay in the same opinion! So this conversation is meaningless! It is your right to believe what ever u want! Do u want to believe that they were Albanians? Ok! Do u want to believe that u are old Greeks? Ok! By doing this u are the one that u deny your albanian identity and the origin of your ancestors! Believe what ever u want! No poroblem! Bye bye
@orionasGR7 bla bla.. i dont say we are the old greeks. but for sure we are the oldest nation on the balkans. even older then the greeks. go listen to soime albanian music. research our language. yess greeks, brought a lot to this world. but that are the old greeks. like an arab of egypt says now, we are pharaos, you would laugh. same i laugh at you as you say you are the old greeks. you are not... we albanians are the oldest people and probally had lot to do with the old greece.
REAL ALBANIAN BLOOD FUCK THE GREEK LIERS
K1ALBOGANGSTA 2 weeks ago
United Albania !
kreshniku111 1 month ago
you said that souli means something in albanian language....where albanian come from???in ancient greek civilization,ancient greeks colonized your territory .....so my friend you're greek......
bikerlover250 1 month ago
Fake Hellen Ass should have no claim on these brave Albanian Warriors.. its a known fact greeks cant fight, so they rely on Albanian warriors and later try and claim them..i say fuck greece..do what you do best fuck each other since you "invented" it lol
Pokeristi11 1 month ago
THIS VIDEOS IS EXTREME PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE GREEK PEOPLE.
THE SOULIOTS ARE GREEKS. THE ARVANITES ARE GREEKS. FOR 400 YEARS, THE ALBANIANS AND THE OTTOMANS FOUGHT AGAINST THE GREEK PEOPLE
unfukkkmee 3 months ago
MHN APANTATE STOUS VLAKES!
vickygr0000 3 months ago
who the fuck wants to be greekoturk....hahaha you are the black hole of europe...the wolfs are laughing at you in the mountains...go back to asia minor you migrants
ZotiSOKOL 3 months ago
ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΓΙΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ,ΑΛΒΑΝΕ!ΑΛΒΑΝΕ!
Ultrass123 6 months ago
@Ultrass123 You are dreaming, hahahhaha.... Why do I want to become a gypsy Greek? Oahahhahahahah You have such a fun... You Greek people are so stupid and egocentric that makes you think that all the other want to be Greeks... Buy a mirror to see your self how dark is your skin and after that think it again if an white Albanian want to become a gyspy Greek... Oahahahahah
kuqezi1980 3 months ago
Δε θα γίνετε Έλληνες ποτέ! Αλβανοί!
Kokotsis1971 7 months ago
ARVANITE IS GREEK WORD THE ARVANITES ARE GREEKS. SOULI IS GREEK WORD. THE SOULIOTES ARE GREEKS
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unfukkkmee 7 months ago
The Souliotes are descendants of the ancient Greek Ipiros tribe Seli . From the Seli tribe were the Priests at the oracle temple at Dodoni. Seli=Souliotes= Ipirotans= Greeks ... Arbanites = ipirotans= Greeks .... Greece, Hellas = 6.000 years history ... oldest language of Europe.... <33333
soNofLeoniDasandLas 8 months ago
@ArkoudoROMANTIC i dont hate greeks, i hate bastard greeks. i dnt have nothing to do with greeks. you dont now your own history. you mix our people with greek people. muslim albanian ??? i am not muslim hahha
agon1984 8 months ago
very good
korca8albania 11 months ago
@Ironmakedon And i want your mother she's free ;)
Tropojani1 11 months ago
@Ironmakedon you macedonians even dont bother to come her and talk you dont have nothing no history., you are slavs fuck off russan
agon1984 11 months ago
This is the truth ! Well whoever wants can read and search , there are many ways to do that.We can not change the past .No mater how much we may dislike each-other ,we were here and we are gone be here for long time in these lands.
artur1976ismailaj 11 months ago
very funny video.....the only historically proved element is that south albania ( the 1/3 of albania to the south) of our days is the Greek Northern Epirus. It is stolen from Greece and given to Albanians like other greek teritorries to Turks, etc. All these regions are Greek from antiquity. Epirus is a greek region, with greek habitants. Illyrians came to Balkans, to the north of Epirus, many many centuries later....Just search WHEN illyrians came to Balkans & WHERE did they really COME from
111000222000111 11 months ago
@111000222000111 bbla bla
agon1984 11 months ago
@111000222000111 do you want to answer to you in english , albanian , greek or italian ???
better english .
if you can find me one , just one historical document that the Illirians camed in ballkan after the greeks , oops sorry . after the 4 tribes that is supposed to create the ancient greece . It is supposed because the dorians camed after the 3 main tribes ( IONIAN , ATAIOLIAN AND AXAIOUS ) . right ??? this is your story , like your supposed grandfathers write it . about 400 -450 years after.
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@111000222000111 if you find it I 'm gonne admit that I am e fucking slav-turk-gypse-greek-egyptian mixed upp blood . but , If you start again with that bullshit of albanians from dagestan go and open some books from ancient greece and start reading . don't even tell me about the byzantine historian ( forgot his name ) that says that after a battle in south itali 10 thousand albanians andthey pased in albania . dont forget that albanians were SOLDIERS . they fought against rome and for rome .
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@111000222000111 the 3 legions that protected rome where from illyria . cesar him self the modern historians says that used some of the way off fightings of illirians . the senat of rome used the ships that the liburns ( that its sayd that they camed from asias nimor , near troja , and its supposed that they took part in its defens and are a illyrian tribe ) used in adriatik . just the romans make them bigger . 4 ceasars camed from illyria . justinianos was the son off apoor illyrian and become
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@111000222000111 the first emperator of east rome . albanians fought against goths , ostrogoths and other german and frank tribes . they fought aginst attila , againts byzant and for byzant . against normans and franks and for normans and franks . against turks and for turks . read for god history . not mine , not turks but your history . the history off herodes , thoukididis and many others from ancient greece . from rome , from byzant , from turkish , moors , egyptians and the other europeans
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
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111000222000111 11 months ago
@MultiTaz10 Many historians and researchers are not sure that ancient Illyrians are truly the ancestors of albanians. You must search your history better, to find where you really come from and which is tte land of your ancestors. Don't try to stole other nation's history like skopians do. All the scientific world is laughing with skopians. Don't believe to the false imperialistic history of your political system which provided by your politicians to be teached at your schools.
111000222000111 11 months ago
@111000222000111 well thats the problem , cause I dont read the history from my country . I read the same book that you do . I dont read albanians writers but europeans . Now if you with many the serb historians and some greeks than it's you that have tou read more carefuly . I told , if you bring me 1 proof ( a link that has historical proofs ) I' ll admit that I'm a mongolian . cause I can post many links from historians taht they prove that there is no population movement
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@111000222000111 during the 2 A.C until the 15 century when the turks camed . A nation off 3 milions its impossible to start from 10 thousand off barbarians that camed to conquest a land that has 100 thousand of autoctons . example the huns , they camed they left . whou stayed where conquerd and under continues asimilation from the slavs
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@MultiTaz10 I don't think that i called you mongolian. And what if one person comes from mongolia ? Isnt he human ? I;m not a kind of racist but i demand the respect of my nation, my religion and my history. You must search your true roots not me. I m just saying that you cant albanize greek heroes of revolution like Hoxha did with greeks North Epirotans and like skopians are trying to do with Alexander the great.
111000222000111 11 months ago
@111000222000111 thats right , I agree with you . but if you want me to respect you then you must do the same . well my rooys are from peja , from tropoja , from gashi mountines and from follorina . fucked up you think ?? maybe for you but I'm pride for that , cause where my roots are from they speak the same language like me . I said you before all the historical proofs about your heros off revolution are from europeans writters , not albanian one . I beg you , read . read for god ,
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@111000222000111 you demand respect I demand respect also . greeks think they have more common things with serbs then with albanians . why ??? cause we are neighbours ??? because kapodistrias wanted to create o ballkanian union ???? because riga was a truly beliver of that union ???? because we survived the romans , you survived the romans , because you survived the sllavs , we also , because we survived the turks , you did it also .then why you dont respect me and right to be in my land ???
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
@MultiTaz10 Hellenic culture is respected all over the word, many centuries ago until our days. Foreigners scientints and educated people are saying this, not greeks or even myself. As for the respect generally, i can say that out of the borders of my country hellenic culture must win the respect as it have been centuries ago. But inside my country i DEMAND from foreigners to respect my culture and my people. If they dont like it then they can easily go back to their motherland
111000222000111 10 months ago
@MultiTaz10 It is not a random fact that greek prisons have about 80% foreigners prisoners. This joke must be finished very shortly.
111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 right . I didnt sayd anything about our culture , I didnt said even one word about your culture . But again I'm gone insist ine my point , if you want someone to respect you , you have to do the same . you win others respect towards you , its not something firm . if you dont want to understand it it's ok . as for that nice goodnight story about the prisons , read better the numbers . yes , it's true that there are to many emygrants in greek prisons
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@111000222000111 but it's also true that the heads off the crime are outside and I wonder why ???? maybe because it's more easy to put the blame on someone else than to admitt that your country was ruled ( from 1821 ) politicans that were thieves , bastards , fucking upp theyre one country and people ??? In alla your modern history you had only 4 politicans that did something . Benizelos , Papandreou ( the grandfather ) , Karamanlis ( the old one ) and the Hunta leader Papadopulos .
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@111000222000111 It's funny to when you leasten to greeks criticizing there one choices but you dont like it one some foreing one tell thet to you . I wonder how you call that behavior ??? Megalomania maybe ??? a country that still leaves with the pride off theyre ancestors before 2000 years . If they would see what you did to theyre ideas and land theyre bones would tremble in ttheyre graves . If you want your culture to win the old respect then you must turn your head backwards
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
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@MultiTaz10 Crime was leveled up at least 300% last 20 years. Greece is full of Kalasnikov, the majority of them comes from stealing the Albanian military camps during anarchy period there (and not only that period). So, if you want to stay in Greece, 1) you got to learn the language fluenty 2) you got to have the economic power to keep your family in good level of life 3) you got to pbey to greek laws and 4) most of all to RESPECT the country that gave you the change for a better life.
111000222000111 10 months ago
@MultiTaz10 Crime was leveled up at least 300% last 20 years. Greece is full of Kalasnikov, the majority of them comes from stealing the Albanian military camps during anarchy period there (and not only that period). So, if you want to stay in Greece, 1) you got to learn the language fluenty 2) you got to have the economic power to keep your family in good level of life 3) you got to obey to greek laws and 4) most of all to RESPECT the country that gave you the change for a better life.
111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 ghfh
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@111000222000111 I agree in everything , but I must insist . if you want repect , you must respect me . maybe you cant understand my view . I'm not tsaying abaut laws and govenement . land or culture . I'm saying abaut people . me like emigrant cannot axcept to be humiliated cause I am albanian ,
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@111000222000111 ke episis afto to gamidi to youtube den me afini na sou apantiso . sorry
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@111000222000111 shut up you are a discrase of europe. you animals. china bought al of your goverment obligations you are a fucked up nation. ouir history is much richer and older then yours. whe where there before you. you can see that in our language clothings. culture honour everything
agon1984 10 months ago
@agon1984 Even europe is a greek name which borrowed by our language. Europe was the daughter of king Aginoras. She kidnapped by Zeus while he transformed into a bull. Then Zeus traveled her above the today europe region and after this he drove her into Krete and he married her. One of their children was King Minoas. Now go to discuss with your mongol Turk brothers to steal something more from our history. Maybe europe was an albanian lady. Sounds good eh ? hahaha XD
111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 .thats history of old greece, old greece like old egyptians farao people have nothing to do with arabs of nowerdays, you dont ahve to do nothing with old greeks. we are not discussing the history of old greece. but the history of the albanians. wich is tll know. the old greece is dead. ofcourse greece has a rich history. but albanians lived there next to greece with there illyrian history.
agon1984 10 months ago
@agon1984 So, keep your history and don't try to steal from other countries like skopians do. As for greek history I must say that you are not the person who will criticize the greek history and the connection of ancient and modern times in Greece. You are not a historian or an anthropologist but just a simple YouTube user. All the societies all over the world passed differenet periods through centuries. Don't worry, Hellas will rise again. God have put His signature on it ! :)
111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 just like an arab of egypt would say farao will rise. you would laugh. the same is with you. everybody is laughing
agon1984 8 months ago
@agon1984 Hey, you poor-minded boy, I don't mean that greece will rise economicaly. Jews are controling the global economic system so this seems impossible at least for the present time. I meant about cultural rebirth. Greece has the richest cultural treasure and national heritage among all the tribes on this planet, so it is at least funny when the barbaric hordes try to hurt us. You better search about your mongolian roots and don't put greece and greeks in your barbaric mouth again.
111000222000111 8 months ago
@111000222000111 your nation is fucked up, you are the poorest of the eu. you now why because you have a filthy national karkater, your are liers and thieves. big time. well if we have mongolic roots. be glad that we always helped you in war. our souliote warriors. botsari kolokotroni. al albanian roots. stupid fuck. you cant handle this. you steel our dances our music. we are the oldest nation in europe not you. old greeks died . just like the farao's died.
agon1984 8 months ago
@agon1984 ""You are the poorest in the eu"" buhuha, who told you that ? The TV news ? haha. ..I don't know if we are liers but the only sure thing is that albanians are criminals....we see this every day here. The prisons have 80% albanians, another prove that you are a pure mongolian tribe. You are another victim of the ethnicistic propaganda of your mongolian nation, the dream about the great mongolia in balkans. The day that we are going to throw you away from greece is closing.
111000222000111 8 months ago
@111000222000111 well you like sitting and drinking tea, thats why albanians work in greece. and thats why you all are fucked up. they want to trhow you out of eu ahhaa. be glad that albanians work in greece, or you would have another problem. you are a bankrupt country, even in afrika you dont have this. the so important greece, bla bla bla. you are fucked up man. mongolian mongolian. turks are mongolians. where are you talking about. do we look like chinese ??? haha. shut the fuck up
agon1984 8 months ago
@111000222000111 wait and see u fucking greek basadrd u fucking turkish gipssy in 5 yeaars u will see albaniens what gos aroung comes aroung and now is our time u fucking piss of shit wait and see we will send u back to turkey in kurdistan becous u cam from that place pakistan egipt iran and turkie we saw u coming in balkan remebr that is that not a sham we saw u coming and u hate that ahhahahah that means u are try gipssy i but in one side i can understand u no on want gipssy like u thats true
MRjashanica 7 months ago
@MRjashanica It's really sad to try to speak to mega-idiots like you.... !
111000222000111 7 months ago
@MultiTaz10 And it is not megalomania to demand respect in your country from foreigner people that you host. I don't say that all albanias are bad, but it is such a mysterious thing that, for example. there are many many chinese in greece and not even one of them, entered violently in a house of old people to threat them with knife for 50 euro. Black people, same. Maybe they sell monkey-products etc but they did not threat human lives. IT is so so mysterious.
111000222000111 10 months ago
@MultiTaz10 So my dear friend, albanians MUST wake up and realise that this is Greece., not their country. They are hosted here. If they want to live here (if they have jobs ofcourse) they must respect greek state, its laws, the greek citizens and finally for the issue of the culture, you know, i dont really care. Everyone is free to have his own cultural taste. So the right of a greek to demand respect of HIS country is a normal human civilized behaviour.
111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 and try to understande how they did it . also stopo DEMANDING , no one can demand anything . you can only win it . if you dont respect me I dont respect you . I dont care if I am inside or outside off your borders because thats is meaningless . is egocentirc , sovinistic and megalomanistic way off thinking of some people thet still think that greece must be the GREATE HELLAS ( southern italy , ionian , cyprus ) and I dont know where the can stop . 2 continets and 5 seas .
MultiTaz10 10 months ago
@MultiTaz10 So, you don't care if you're inside my border or not eh ? Hey man, this land is GREEK it is not multi-cultural as some guys want to transform it to. Very soon greeks will do what they must to do, don't worry. As for prisoners and crime : Before 1989-1990 and the cataclysm of albanians in our country, our kids was playing alone in the streets until night time. Now not even elders dare to be outside at night. It is known also that Albanian prisons was emptyed in greece that period.
111000222000111 10 months ago
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111000222000111 10 months ago
@111000222000111 and I dare you again to post a link that says that albanians moved in the ballkans and killed alla the illyrians or asimilated them . or that they camed with the turks ( like the serbians wants to belive ) . just one proff that says that it was a papulation movment inside ballkans and they where called albanians .
respect is something that nobody can demand , is something that you win . just lika alexander took illyrians troops with him . greek writte it not albanian
MultiTaz10 11 months ago
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111000222000111 10 months ago
Also, cities like SARANDE, used to be Agioi Saranta and GJIROKASTER, used to be Argyrokastro, (kinda like ISTANBUL was Constantinople in Turkey) before Italy has given Greek territories over to form a country called Albania. No wonder why the Albanians led the fascist Italians their way into Greece on WWII, without opposing to them. Don't propagate using US newspaper articles..they r the same morrons that think that people in FYROM have a Greek ancestry. Try to google 'Illyrians' next time..
theaggressivedrummer 1 year ago
My surname is TZAVELLAS and im a a descedent of Fotos Tzavellas. Im afraid u have to remove your video because it is based on false facts. Souliotes were Greek like me. The reason some surnames of Greeks (not souliotes, though) r making sense in your language is because 1/3 of today's Albania, used to be Greek territory for thousands of years. Ali pasha, poisoned Fotos Tzavellas when he led souliotes in Corfu(where he died),so do u understand that they couldnt have helped the man they fought?
theaggressivedrummer 1 year ago
@theaggressivedrummer Sorry brother but the suli were Albanians here is proof read from page 448 this book "Travels in the Ionian Isles, Albania, Thessaly, Macedonia, &c. during the years 1812-1813 (Google e-bog) its free to read
by Sir Henry Holland. He wrote it 1812-1813 and is a neutral observation he made.
Sure you can be greek now if you chose... But your blood is albanian.
Agron111 11 months ago
@Agron111 who gives a fuck about about a "sir"'s observation??? i come from a greek souliote family and i don't need some sir to tell me where i come from based on his observation...if i was albanian or arvanite, my family would pass on that information to their children, i have albanian friends so i wouldn't mind if i was albanian but you people are doing here is altering history and thats WRONG
theaggressivedrummer 1 month ago
@theaggressivedrummer
If you dont bealive please see the documentary of this link: Alvanoi - Arvanites - Shqipetar - fustanella (Skai new documentary 1821)albanian subs - your own poeple - historians accepted that Arvanites are Albanians!!
Blerta600 11 months ago
@Blerta600 GREEK warriors that led the revolution in souli were NOT arvanites nor albanians stupid, arvanites are arvanites, albanians are albanians and greks are greeks got it?? the beauty of being different
theaggressivedrummer 1 month ago
aliakoum salam , salam make me cum
kaffir00 1 year ago
greece FUCKED albania, again and again and again, dirty fucking albos
kaffir00 1 year ago
albania , land of pimps, most lbanian men loose virginty with their mothers, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah fucking dirty albos
kaffir00 1 year ago
@kaffir00 gayreek boys lose it with their fathers lol, they experience sodomy way before puberty, papa dimitris christens the young boy by sodomising him lmao, fucking taliban afghan gayreek reek of shit, a mongrel bastard nation liberated by albanians now you have the cheek to insult them you spineless little ottoman lap dog freak, only after albos defeat them you run your mouth cos until then you were their best little escorts you homos, i eat your mother and sister you little gayreek puff
hekoka 1 year ago
the chams were originaly greek, then they betrayed greece, joined albania, became muslim and callaborated with nazi germany, so the great zervas gave them what they deserved. funny huh. fucking albanian scum who gives a flying fuck what you think, the most dirtiest nation , nuclear bomb will clean the earth if it blew up in albania. worst than white niggers
kaffir00 1 year ago
@kaffir00 ahahaha the cams were greek loool the arvanites are greek ahaaha
is that why you cant a understand their language. whats the difference between an irishman living in america and one living in ireland? the passport! blood, custom and culture is the same.
you dirty, hairy, gypsy, homosexual faggoty gayreek i'd cut your head off and rape your mother before your blood gets cold. you weak little feminine anus violating asiatics i piss on you all you fucking sand niggers
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka,ww2 we fukd u up propr,albania was once a christian orthodox country now ur fuking muslim,go wank yourself while watching ur sister bath , albania is a nation of pimps,u pimp out all the woman in ur family including ur MUM and SISTER. and greece is biggest customer . albanian bitches including YOUR MOTHER love greek cock!! napoleon zervas is hero , look him up you dumb fucking albo/turk gypsy fuck. greece will never submit to muslim rule, you albos did . albanian / albo= white niggers
kaffir00 1 year ago
@kaffir00 you dont even know your own culture or history. is same like monkeys. albanians come to work in greece for a plate of food a day, i see you filthy fucks all over europe and EVERYONE HATES YOU. gypsies are better than dirty fucking albanian shit. white fucking mother whoring niggers. albania is a white muslim country . hahaha fucking white muslims, same religion like algeria, nigeria , pakistan and afghan. what a fuckup of a nation. wannabe hadji`s, FUCKING ALBANIAN. GREECE will fuck u
kaffir00 1 year ago
@kaffir00 who cares if some albos are muslims? how does that make you better you son of faggot. piss your orthodox church and on your anus violating priests. we run you, we made you, we drove the turks out for you.
modren greek heroes were abanians who did not speak a word of gayreek LOOK IT UP. together with your orthodox church they build a new nation a cocktail of slavs, turks, albanians, gypsies, arabs etc. you pakistani looking fucking gypsies, remember albanians MADE YOU
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka you believe your own shit , fucking muslim idiot, hey albo, go eat a banana. typical albo claiming to be greek , fucking waste of human space.
kaffir00 1 year ago
@kaffir00 haha you afghan taliban looking freak, i would rather be a neanderthal then a fucking GAYreek who reeks of shit lol, go read Barko Boqari's biography, Kolokotroni's, Kondurioti's and others. read it anywhere they were Suliote aka Chams
i piss on your gayreek orthodox church and their schemes and i piss on islam and their mosques for that matter cos they're no better than you.
WE MADE YOU, we drove the turks out for you, us albanians, the descendants of those who fought for you freaks
hekoka 1 year ago
@kaffir00 oh you fucked us up did you? you middle eastern fucking nomad, go back to herding camels in egypt. you fucked up unarmed civilian chams because we've been fucking you up since the times of Ali Pashe Tepelena when he used to smash greeks with sledgehammers lol
albanians are a breed of non-confroming renegades who have no regard for religious fairy tales and put nation first as opposed to you country of faggots. you cant call anyone a turk because greeks look like turks, you are them
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka sounds like kokona, hahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahah, what a fucking prick
kaffir00 1 year ago
Just some history lessons you should be given:Souliotes were Greek population that fought against albanian Ali Pasha
JonPANOU 1 year ago
If Suliotes,the real name(SULIOTET)are greeks,I want to ask a greek,what is BESA?
This word that the suliots said...
This word that albanians say today...
Is that word gayreek???? NOOOO is 1000% ALBANIAN...
The greeks stole us this word,stole us the culture because the gayreeks today are THIEVES.
mariolcela 1 year ago
@mariolcela go read. o dont care what you think or believe, you are fucked up. i enfy greek. qhahahahah, shut up man
agon1984 1 year ago
If Suliotes,the real name(SULIOTET)are greeks,I want to ask a greek,what is BESA?
This word that the suliots said...
This word that albanians say today...
Is that word gayreek???? NOOOO is 1000% ALBANIAN...
The greeks stole us this word,stole us the culture because the gayreeks today are THIEVES.
mariolcela 1 year ago
But let's see the opinion of a turk-Albanian! I think that all of u know Ali Pasha! Look what he wrote when he asked the help of the Souliotes:
""The moment is now arrived, in which you can essentially serve me, and give proofs of your friendship and affection. Your pay shall be double that of my Albanians, fer I know your valour is superior to theirs. "
page 98, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport ;)
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .. all wars are fought, orthdox albanians fought with greeks against, muslim souliote albanians wich where with the turks.. albanians against albanians. no greeks there
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Souliotes were Greeks! Like it or not! I accept what they say! And they say that they are GREEKS! After all they hate albanians! I believe them! Not u!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .. souli exicst souliote warriors where albanians fighting for greek orthodox church , against turk and albanains. so the wars was albanians against albanians. who the fuck interest what you think or believe . go away
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 How the hell ask u if u interesting about my believes? I said tha i believe what Souliotes said and say!
They said that they were GREEKS!!!!!!!! SO i believe them! Who gives a shit if u believe that they were Albanians? They fought adn die for Greece! Modern Greeks are descendants of SOuliotes! So they are our heroes! The are PURE GREEKS!!!! I know that u envy Greek history because your history has no brave warriors as Souliotes, Sfakians, Maniates, Kleftes etc etc
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 bla bla, all bullshit, go do some research dont suck things out of your thumb. soulliote where albanian speaking, they became billingual in greek and albanian later, they come from north albania near kosova. nothing to do with greeks. they defended the greek orhtodox church. you made them greek, because you have no history. sfakians are greek,, maniates name for souliuote.. we no warriors hhaha bla bla
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Hahahaha..It so fucking obvious that you have jealousy for Greeks and our history! U don't have heroes in your country and u try do find heroes from other nation just to fill the vacuum in your soul! Do u want search? Ok I am bringing to u the searches! Lets start with the letter of Captain Tzavelas to the turkalbanian tyrant Ali Pasha, when Ali Pashas kept hostage the son of the Souliote Captain! Read Learn and Enjoy!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984
"If we are victorious, I shall have other children, for my wife is young. As to my son, young as he is, he will be happy to sacrifice himself for his country, or he is not worthy to live, nor to be acknowledged as a child of mine. He will die with courage; if he do not, he does not deserve to be called a worthy SON OF GREECE, OUR COUNTRY."
page 100, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 HAHAHAHAHA......Sit and cry now! hahaha... Do u see what Captain Tzavela wrote about his son? If he don't die with courge "he doesn't deserve to be called SON OF GREECE".......Their country!!!!! Where is Albania? Where is their Albanian ethnicity? Where is their love about Albanians? NOWHERE! Souliotes were ready to sacrifice their lives, their families, their everything about Greece and only for Greece! Eat a Souliote dig now!!!! The Souliote Captain proved his GREEK ORIGIN!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 But lets see how teh turkalbanian Ali Pasha watched Souliotes! Did he believe that Souliotes where Albanians? Let's see!
"The moment is now arrived, in which you can essentially serve me, and give proofs of your friendship and affection. Your pay shall be double that of Albanians, fro I know your VALOUR IS SUPERIOR TO THEIRS. "
page 98, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 WOW...So not only Ali Pashas believed that Souliotes were not Albanians but theri value as much more higher than this of the Albanians!!!! HAHAHAHAHA........... Why do u deny to accept the real history? It isn't bad! It is just the reality! Look what wrote the German ambassador Bartholdy for Souliotes
"...this Greek tribe that resident on the mount Souli..."“Voyage en Grece fait dans les Anees 1803 et 1804″
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 But let's see what the commander of the Lord Byron's brigade wrote for Souliotes!
"There were at the time great number of Souliots at Missologhi,as well as a number of adventures of all nations and all sorts of characters, and though we were anxiousto teach our arts to the SULIOTES AND THE OTHER GREEKS,who were therefore permitted to range..."
p 50,The Last Days of Lord Byron,William Parry,1826,Library of Michigan's University
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 My last quote for tonight is from a traveler that met the family of Captain Marco Botsaris! Look what he wrote:
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984
Arraving at Missilonghi,and and finding that the widow and daughters, together with the brother of the celebrated Suliote chief,Marco Bozzaris, was residing in that town....In few momwnts the widow of Marco Bozzaris entered....she looked the widow of a hero; as one worthy of her GRECIAN MOTHERS,who gave thir hair for bowstrings...
chapter The family of Marco Bozzaris, The Ladies Pocket Magazine,Sir Roger De Calverley's Geost 1839
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 I can bring u for one week every day 10 quotes from people that met Souliotes, from people that lived with Souliotes, from people that fought with or against Souliotes, from professors from universities as Harvard, Michigan's University, etc etc.......... It is just an urban legend that Souliotes were Albanians! Of course there were few Cristian Albanian in Souli but their number was insignificant. Souliotes were GREEKS, as all the historical evidences show!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 big lie, what does souli mean in greek? nothing, idiot .. they were albanians, just like all the other "arvanites" ..
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Souli was on of the 4 big villages of SOuliotes! What means "Tetrachori" (Tετραχώρι) in your language! I have a better example for u! What means Albania in your language! Even the name "Albania" is not Albanian! It is latin! Does it mean that u are Latins? Open your eyes! The anwsers are infront of your eyes!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 we call ourselves arber, arberesh or shqipetar ;) we dont call ourselves albanian .. the turks call you yunan, because of the greek ionian tribe ?! so do the latins because of the "alban" tribe ..
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Yes but the Souliotes never called themselves arberesh or shqipetar! They called themselves Greeks! Albania is a latin word and it means white! This can not be changed! You can do nothing! Souliotes were Greeks! The descendants of Souliotes live in Greece and the call themselves Greeks! So we (modern Greeks) are the descendants of Souliotes! Souliotes are part of our history! They sacrifice their lives, families, etc etc for Greece and its liberty!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 actually " alba " means white .. OF COURSE THEY DID !!!! yeah they were greek orthodox, so they had to fight against ali pasha tepelena ;) .. stop your propaganda you uneducated fool .. the descendants of souliotes also live in albania in a place called GRAMSH ;) idiot
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Yes alba- is the root! Outside of Rome there was a place named as Alba Loga! Alps are from the same root! So a name means nothing! There are place all over the planet that have Greek names! Does it mean that they are Greeks? NO! Souliotes fought with and against Ali Pasha! Fought with and against Soultan! Every time that they fought, was fro the good of Greece! They never fought against the other Greeks!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 DUDE; ITS A FACT THAT THERE WAS A ILLYRIAN TRIBE CALLED ALBANET/ALBANOI/ALBANES however you want to call it .. nothing to do with "alba" .. oh maaan your such an brainwashed idiot :( please shut your mouth .. there are many more openminded greeks that accept the fact that the souli and arvanites were and still are albanian .. stfu
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach There was a city named Albanopolis (Greek-latin name) and the dwellers there named Albani! This doesn't mean something! U have never call yourselves Albanians! U said after all! All over the coast line of northern Mediterranean Sea, were places with names Albania or places that their names has the root alb- inside! Thank God that there are educated Albanians today that can see and accept that Souliotes were Greeks ! And hopefully in feature all the Albanians will accept it
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 hahahaha why are you desperately trying to make our national name latin hahahahaah :D:D you're sooo funny hahahah :D
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach I am trying to make what?????? HAHAHAHAHA........Whatever u say! hahahahahaha
And u call me uneducated after all these things! hahahaha
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 unfortunately you ARE uneducated, there are some greeks of which you could think that they have studied history without having that done ..
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach As for this stupid argument that they were Greek orthodox, i have nothing to say! It so stupid! Only a moron could not thing that there were Albanians that were Greek Orthodox and they never fought for Greeks and for the liberty of Greece! They never gave their lives and the their families for the good Greece! Why Souliotes then? It is simple! Because they were GREEKS!!!! U are uneducated! look my previous quotes from so many different people and tell me again who is uneducated!!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 you can shove your propaganda up your ass you idiot !!! souliotes were people from the mountains, and SULI in albanian is the mountain-top .. SHUT THE HELL UP
your such an brainwashed uneducated idiot ... your words dont have any value
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach So u are Latin! Philippines are Greeks! etc etc!!!! Can u see who is the stupid and whose words have no value now??? hahaha
Please explain me the above text of one of the most importand SOuliotes (Captain Tzavelas):
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 no, we gheghs are thraco-illyrian, tosks are more purely illyrian ;) .. modern greeks are slavs, turks, albanians and vlachs ..
my words have value ! " albania " is named after the illyrian tribe - so are the greeks by the turks .. this happens everywhere .. like some states call the germans " aleman " .. and some " german " .. you see? you're an idiot :)
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Oh ok! Albanians are the pure race of Balkans! HAHAHAHA!
Ok what ever u say! This was the perfect gift for me! I hope that this last coment from u (about the Thraco-Illyrian and Illyrians origin of Albanians) to stay many many many years hear, so everyone can see the mind-level of some Albanians!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 just look for some word lists :) youll see there are a dozen words still the same in albanian and illyrian language ..
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Oh really? Who found these words and where this someone found them? And how is ti possible the Albanian words to be same as Illyrians? illyrian language belong to the branch of IE languages that called Centum and the Albanian language belongs to the IE group that has the name Satem! Two totally different kind of speeches! It is impossible a centum language to be satem and vice-versa! As for the Illyrian words there aren't exist! Only Illyrian names we know!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach
But i wonder why professor Wilkes who is the ultimate expert on the issues of Illyrians and other IE tribes denies to accept the relation between Albanians and Illyrians? Oh let me guess! He is an uneducated idiot like me! ahahahaha!!!!! Good night my friend! I hope the morning to find another one of these funny messeges from u! REally how old are u? 15-16?
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 you're truly ridiculous .. im 17 ;) there are many other "ultimate experts" who say that albanians are of illyrian descent !!
oooh, maaaan :( its really sad that there are idiots like you ..
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach Are really 17? HAHAHA!!!! For one more time i was so fucking right! Can u see it? Ok i suggest u to read the book of professor Wilkes "Illyrians" to see that not only there are not exist Illyrian words, but Albanians have nothing to do with them! Good morning and go to speak with someone to your age because my knowledges are to many for u! Bye bye my dear neighbour!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach souliote warriors, fought against albanian muslims. they are mountain people. wich didnt became muslim at ottoman. rule . they went to greece to fight witht there brothters greek orthdox. you become what you want to be. they talked albanian. they had albanain traditions. and botsari said al greek where cowards and had no honour. he learned greek when hes was 17, so suck of. you greek al are liers. even your goverment falsified goverment notes. wich fucking country does that haha
agon1984 1 year ago
@BlizzardRoach "If we are victorious, I shall have other children, for my wife is young. As to my son, young as he is, he will be happy to sacrifice himself for his country, or he is not worthy to live, nor to be acknowledged as a child of mine. He will die with courage; if he do not, he does not deserve to be called a worthy SON OF GREECE, OUR COUNTRY."
page 100, The life of Ali Pasha of Tepebni, Vizier of Epirus, Richard A. Davenport
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .. richard a davenport was never there he wrote a story. you stupid fuck. ali pasha tepelena, was also a souliote but a muslim souliote. look at his pictures on the web. there you can see him in egypt with souliote warriors. the orthodox souliote sa them self after a certain amount of time as greeks, maybey in that time albanians where nown to be old greeks, and they returned to there country. yess
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Who says that Richard A. Davenport Wrote just a story? These latter are accepted as real history and u can find them in many historical books and in every historical archive! But the biggest prof is that everyone can see these letters from the archive of Ali Pasha that it is in Ioannina and it is open to the public! So like it or not, these letters are true HISTORY! I know it pains u, but this is the reality!!!!!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 And who says that Ali Pasha Tepeleni was from Souli? Propably your the only human on this planet that believes something like this! Since when the village Tepeleni (of those times) became pat of Souli? Since when Anatolia (where his grand-grand father came from) became part of Souli? Even his mother Hamko had nothing to do with Souli!!! So the opinion that Ali Pasha was Souliote is so alien as the opinion that ancient Epirotes were Albanians!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 not from souli.,. souliote came from albania. they settled later on in souli. just that the name souli exist in greece, tells enough,. that a people settled there , souliotes settled there and you named it souli.. if they where real greek they would come al over greece and not just from 1 city,, just that tells enough that they settled later in greece
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Nice comment man! Do u believe that Souli was only one village or city??? It is obvious tha tu don't know the history of Souli! Souli was only one of the villages! Actually Souli was a team of 4 basic villages and around them were other small villages: Souli- Avariko-Kiafa-Samoniva!!!! Is someone of these (exept Souli) albanian? NO!!!!And all together were called by Souliotes as "τετραχώρι" Tetrachori(4 villages) which is a totally Greek name!!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 sulli is an albanian, word. and dont mean nothing in greece, you have many backnames sulli in albania. what does sulli mean in greek,??? in albanian sulli mean mountain people. tell me
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 that proves nothing.There are people of albanian origin in Greece today that don't know a word albanian but call themselves albanian and feel albanians.There are greek people in Albania today that can't speak greek but feel greeks.Names of locations,and even someone's language doesn't always prove its origin and national consciousness.I don't want to look like an ultranationalist but what I hate is thatsuch videos promote nationalism and hatred
JonPANOU 1 year ago
@JonPANOU you cant just decide to feel italian can you? to be one you have to a bona fide italian. its not what a wretched simpleton feels, its the reality that matters. fact is the arvanite are of albanian stock just as the arberesh are except that the former are ashamed to accept their albanian roots because its not "cool" to be albanian in greece due fear of discrimination , so those weal wretched creatures bellow "im greek im greek (but my mother tongue is arvanite i.e. arbreresh ie albanian
hekoka 1 year ago
@agon1984 The population of Souli was from all over the Epirus! Not just from one area! Another one prof that u don't know its history! U don't know its history but u speaking for it! What a meanness!!!!! And if they were Albanians then why they went to Greek aeras like Corfu, Ithaka, Mesologgi and they didn't go to their orthodox Albanian brothers the Tosks? Simple because the were GREEKS! So another one prof that they were Greeks among the dozens that i have brought u!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 , albanians live for hundred of years in greece, ofcourse they go everywhere, marco botsari,. made a dictianary , albanian greek, in that time albanians nown as arberor. or arberesch.. souli warriors. after the lost of skenderbeu and islamisation of albania. they went south to greece, they hated muslims and turks. and saw albanians wich became muslims , as traitors. thats why they complete assimilted to greeks.in that time a you are a muslim you a turk.. a orthodox was a greek.
agon1984 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .. read some book, not just 1 illustration. you will come to the conclusion, souliote are albanians. suli means in albanian mountain people. read lord byron. read André Gerolymatos a greek.. read aristidh kollas. greek arvanite albanian. these people are linked with greek history, and lord byron visited greece. in a time where no one had to lie .
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 What a meanness! U said to me to read books when i have brought almost 10 different books? Are idiot or u try to be? Propably you are!
After all as i told u, we have the same phenomenon with the Souliotes all over the Greece! In Crete or Candia there were Sfakia and Anogia! In Morea there were the dwellers of Mani or Maina! In Arcadia there were the "Klephtes"! So the same phenomenon with Souliotes were very common among the Greeks that dwell on mountains!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 no that are not souliotes, that are imitaitors , klpephtes are greeks , wich dressed and tried to be soulioutes.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 But what i must wait from someone who confuse Ali Pasha with the Mohamed Ali of Egypt???Or from someone who says totally stupid things as "MAYBE in that time albanians where nown to be old greeks"... YEs maybe! The only problem is that none in the human history have never believed tha Albanians are old Greeks! Only the brainwashed modern Albanians believe something like this!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .. no ali of egypt, souliote are warriors wich where mercenary warriors in egypt. praying to allah. most documentet drawings of souliote are in egypt.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 SOuliotes praying to Allah?????? Yes ok! To Budha too!!!! hahahahaha....Man are u serious??? Do u see what are u writing???? Souliotes to Allah???????/ hahahahaha
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@agon1984 Go and read the book "Albanian identities: myth and history" to see who the communistic dectatorship in Albania manipulate the history and the archaeological findings and made the modern Albanians to believe that they have a relation with Illyrians, Epirotes, etc etc!!!!
You are victims of your own selves!!!! Nobody believes u! You live in a lie! But this is not my job! It is your job to find where u came from!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 ,hahah bla bla, llook at our culture our music, those things dont lie. you try to copie but your language dont fit our music.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Culture?????? Ok! What ever u say! hahahahaha
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 bla bla, look at our music our traditions they dont lie. we are number 1 epirotes albanian.vatican city made a statue of gjerg kastrioti, with these inscriptions hundred years ago. no reason to lie hundred years ago.
* IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 So what if Kastriotes called king of Epirus? Soultan was the ruler of Constantinople but none called him Greek or Byzantine! Your arguments are like arguments from child! Without meaning!!!!!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 no i am just trie to say, they made a statue, that he is king of epirus, in vatican city, in 1700 there was no reason to lie because there was no discussion or benefits to any race. for what epirus or souliote are. this discussiuon is noww. because albanians are free and greeks cant manipulate anymmore,. you could do what you wanted with retarded albania fur hundred of years.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Do u want proofs that Epirotes were and are Greeks? Ask them and i am bring them to u at the same moment!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 yess ofcourse now they are assimilated to greeks, all cam albanian,, wich are muslim arvanite are killed and deported back to albania, in second world war. because they where arvanites with muslim religion and that was a link with albanians of now. you stole tsamiko., look this video for a greek priest what he says with hidden camera /watch?v=bsjUKLn9c94
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 The argument that Souliotes fought onlyt for church, because they were Greek Orthodox, is so stupid! If all of u were a little more clever u would have seen that many Albanians from the clan of Tosks were Greek Orthodox! But none of them fought the liberty of Greece! None of them gave his life for the liberty of a Greek city as Mesologgi! None of them sacrifice the liberty and the safety of his family for the good of Greece and the Greeks! Only Souliotes! Why? Because they were GREEKS!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 if it was they where just greeks, there would be no discussion and you wouldnt be here discussing, because there was no need to discuss. your are defending. something that is hard for you to defend. because our language and tradtions and history documantation. proofs that we are linked with souliote warriors. and arvanite.
thats why you are discussing,, 100 dred of years could do manipulate and say what they want no its over. like you stole our tsamiko. cam dance. you stole every
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 If it was real that they were Albanians then u would be no discussion! But u are here and u trying to convince me that they were Albanians! And u try it without proofs contrary to me that i have brought u a dozen of books and evidences from Souliotes, Ali Pasha, Byron and all the people who lived with them! Yes i defend them from your cowardly effort to make them Albanians because Albania has nothing to be proud! AS a Greek is my duty to defend other Greeks from people like u!
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 haha, that just the problem. greeks is proud for what our people did for you, and you trie to defend this, but you cant because sadly arvanites still speak our language, even markos botsair, wrote a albanian greek dictionary. look it up on google. why should he do that if he was greek. our nation is much better then yours ., you are dark and look like turks. you can defend greeks, but you are defending albanians actually.. you must play bouzouki.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 U make desperate efforts to make them Albanians! And this is meanness because u have the proofs of their Greek origin infront of your eyes but u deny them just because of your inferiority complex! And actually this is the essence of all this conversation! U are trying to to make the Albanians because u have nothing else to be proud!
U stole Northen Epirus, u stiole foustanela, u are trying to stole Souliotes, Alexander the Great etc etc! How pathetic! R u proud for all these?
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 .,. nothing to be proud. oldest nation of the balkans. most brave people of the world. most complex and beautiful language in euriope; most authentic music in europe. most beautiful clothing. warriors.. most dangerous criminals. most beautiful woman. i am proud of everything.. you greeks think we are turks. because we operated with the turks. but we are smart people in 500 years ofcourse we worked with the turks. and we where the bosses everywhere.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 Tell me something! Is there even one chance to make u change your opinion? Probably no! Even if i bring u every day different books u will stay in the same opinion! So this conversation is meaningless! It is your right to believe what ever u want! Do u want to believe that they were Albanians? Ok! Do u want to believe that u are old Greeks? Ok! By doing this u are the one that u deny your albanian identity and the origin of your ancestors! Believe what ever u want! No poroblem! Bye bye
orionasGR7 1 year ago
@orionasGR7 bla bla.. i dont say we are the old greeks. but for sure we are the oldest nation on the balkans. even older then the greeks. go listen to soime albanian music. research our language. yess greeks, brought a lot to this world. but that are the old greeks. like an arab of egypt says now, we are pharaos, you would laugh. same i laugh at you as you say you are the old greeks. you are not... we albanians are the oldest people and probally had lot to do with the old greece.
agon1984 1 year ago
Albanians have nothing to do with Souliotes! Except of course that Albanian and Souliotes were fanatic enemies!
orionasGR7 1 year ago