Age five, OBE, remember very clearly, 22 now, floating, being guided down the stairs, man with long black hair at bottom of stairs tells me to come closer, have no strength to climb back upstairs, any reasons anyone?
@Fifthmuskateer yes. you just had your first alien abduction experience. most likely happens to you when you are falling asleep. do you remember orbs of light around you while growing up?
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this man is somewhat right but you can leave your body further then that I personally have reached the outer part of my house and reached the outer part of the sky but you cant go any further then that there is a wall of some sort holding you down. this has happened to me many times. I will share with you how I have bipolar disorder which means my mind races uncontrollably and i get hyper manic. When that happens I lay down. I go through thousands of thoughts in a hour.
@pem10777 So I put all those thoughts and I begin to put them in a circle like when you are at a tilt a whilr ride at a fair. The thought are going so fast that when they stop I am no longer in my body and I am facing myself. This has happens to me with medication and without medication and on pot. I quit pot 3 years ago because i ended in a mental hospital. But the outer body still happens. My mind is fucked. i know. But i can tell you this is real.
@pem10777 I went to a Chakra specialist and he made energy go through my brain back and forth side to side them up and down for about 30 minutes. After that I felt like shit my mind began to race none stop. I went home laid down and my mind began to race. So I did the tilt a whirl thing again and it happen again. it hurts my body feels like it is slamming against the walls of the room and when everything stops I'm out of my body.
@pem10777 on pot you smoke so much I mean so much to the point where you can handle it anymore just puff after puff after puff that you put yourself in a state of dying that your body just leaves. And that is what happend to me. I smoked and smoked so much in one session that my mind just left and i almost died and ended up in the hospital. After that I quit cold turkey and have not touched a joint but my body every now and then just leaves. i fucked myself. but now it wont stop.
In its 10,000 years or so of known use, there has been 0 reported deaths from marijuana use, EVER. You can't die from marijuana, it is impossible unless you smoke a 3rd of your body weight in 15 minutes (which is physically impossible). Look it up - you are being paranoid. You weren't going to die, you simply felt like you were.
sorry guys, but this setup is nothing else than a hypnotically creation of kine-static and visual anchors and firing them of shortly after the creation. Nice try, but from my point of view, this has nothing to do with OBE.
@rt14ch "Nice try, but from my point of view, this has nothing to do with OBE."
They have a fairly extensive theory to go along with these experiments, and others, and they actually have an extremely compelling story to tell about how we form first person experience, body image etc. If you're interested, Thomas Metzinger recently wrote a book surrounding that research group. It's called "The Ego Tunnel".
What they are doing is selectively screwing with particular components of the self.
@rt14ch Anyway, the argument for a connection with OBE obviously is that they can separate location in space from viewpoint. Other experiments demonstrate other types of disconnection, which slowly teases out which components of experience can be separated. Simply calling this a "hypnotic" phenomenon doesn't mean OBE isn't a result of similar disconnect or that it isn't a hallucination at its core.
@Gnomefro have a quick read on NLP, Hypnosis and anchors. You will understand, that the experiment they are showing is nothing else than "tricking" the mind. The experiment is irrelevant, neither the existence or none existence of OBE is proofed. Compared to OBE, nobody is firing off any hypnostic anchors. It happens.
I've done quite alot of OOBE's. But I prefer a scientific view, OOBE's tell us more about our internal reality, than about the reality 'out there', about which they reveal nothing.
I look forward to a day when this 'absurdly hi tech' system can get rid of the ballache of having religious experiences (no more spending weeks in a cave to get your brain to fire up the 'meet God' neurons). Just manipulate the temporal lobe and jobs a goodun.
Proof is probably an over rated commodity so I hear your point of view but we must, by the same token be able to offer some kind of contextual platform of discussion that adheres to some kind of consistent frame of reference which stipulates the need for some kind of model based reality which can be impartially observed by various independent observers. Otherwise we lend our views to no more than conjecturous hiersay so experience albeit wonderful is not a credible platform to explore on
i had this twice before i knew what it was however i was sleeping, if u guys want to feel it try a hallucinogen on mild dosage so nothing happen but the 2ft body away feeling
A scientist is supposed to be an unbiased source looking for the truth. However it seems scientists are just trying to twist the truth to see whatever they wish to see, just as absurdly as religious-fanatics, they ignore the facts and try to twist evidence and what that evidence means to support their theory instead of looking and the highest likely cause.Did not explain the elevated view whatsoever, or how people that experience OOBEs can recall real events that occured.
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Please explain to me how strapping a very expensive camera onto someone and putting a small montior relaying the camera's perspective and position to the person relates in anyway shape or form to out of body experiences, whether caused by strange/odd reactions in the brain due to injury/impaired function, or truly a paranormal phenomena, this in no way even RELATES to why or how it could occur, this is not scientific whatsoever.
@ValkyereHowie An out of body experience is merely the brain being fooled into locating consciousness somewhere other than in the body. Nothing actually leaves the body. This experiment shows how the brain can be fooled through visual means into locating itself elsewhere. So whether it's drug-induced, visually induced or induced voluntarily through means of relaxation, it's the same process of confusing the brain.
@Steve7508 Using absurdly high tech 21st century technology to simulate and out of body experience has no corrolation to a real out of body experience! For crap sake they used a giant camera hanging in the air with a screen pressed against her eyes! That is ridiculous to be called science. Please explain why some people whom have an OOBE can recall real things that occured in different areas whilst they were having an OOBE?
@runemetalownz No I haven't, but I stand by my assertion that it's purely a brain-based phenomenon, no matter how much it feels like you've left your body.
YAY! A youtube arguement that was actually settled! But either way, being closed-minded and stubborn to change an idea/answer/belief is unfortunatly hidden within each person. I could be wrong, but most people (especially americans) are hard-headed and refuse to change their mind. I hope I dont start a comment fight like this, so I'll just stop talking. =)
1 more problem is how do People that has been blind from birth see during An OBE or near death experience,Or why during a OBE can you see what people are doing in streets ect, just because science can create the illusion of an OBE does not mean that an actual Obe is not real.People who only look at Facts miss the big picture!! Use both sides of your brain not just the left side thats why you have 2! Dont put ur self in a box.Suggesting science can do it so it cant be real,shows how trapped u are
"The projected form does make some impression upon the physical system. It is possible for it to be detected. It is a kind of pseudo-image, materialistically speaking, but it has definite electromagnetic reality and chemical properties. Animals have sensed such apparitions. They react to the chemical properties and build up to the perception of the images from these." --Seth / Jane Roberts
@jwin70 You can't. Tests have been running for years, where patients experiencing OBE were asked to describe large, details hidden from the view as seen from the bed placed by the scientists. While they have claimed to see all sorts of precise details including them selves from above, somewhere near the ceiling, they somehow always manage not to notice these large, obvious markers.
I think you've overlooked the dozens of tests where they have. But one large issue is that you simply can't interpret these experiences the way you do daily life. Episodes will be related to each other by different methods that will be intuitional, highly selective and psychological. You will have to find your way through complicated mazes of reality according to your own intuitional nature...
@MaynardMouse Please link to those dozens of controlled tests (as much as they can be) where the person experiencing OBE noticed an object intentionally placed out of ordinary sight. I've found not a single.
The rest of your comment is rhetorical banter. A lot of experiences and feelings are hard to explain and our minds are incredible at playing tricks with us.
And you can't simply just assert that I can't interpret these experiences "like daily life" before you're determined that they're not.
@balkan2k It's sad to see people so un-adventurous that they have to have someone in a lab coat dictate to them what's real...But you'll find a few examples in some of Jane Roberts' older books (particularly SETH, DREAMS, AND PROJECTIONS OF CONSCIOUSNESS) and some of Robert Monroe's earlier work. You'll have to put together some of the information between those two before you'll fully understand the huge problem with your assumptions.
@MaynardMouse You know what's unadventurous? Just saying "this is an out of body experience, and no matter how close you can come with different types of experiments it's just not the same and you can't explain it. Why? Because I and some highly incredulous people say so."
Look up the "Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment" and "God helmet". Some pretty interesting things have been discovered by *Being Adventurous*, open minded, and examining *for real* what's going on!!
@balkan2k And I've seen those videos...ignorant attempts to say that one experience invalidates another...As often happens, they're too conceited to take their ideas further and actually follow their logic all the way through. Yes, you can achieve something that FEELS like an OBE that way, but they completely ignore the fact that the same principle is used to project a copy of consciousness into the etheric body that we CREATE. It's difficult to catch one standing around to measure it, I admit.
@MaynardMouse More baseless assertions that I can't use until you can demonstrate they have some credence. Until then, I'm really finding it hard how you think I should take you more serious than people who think they've been abducted by aliens, think they can read auras, cure people from afar by sending energy (they're never better than no cure), or who believe in astrology.
Why should I believe you? I wouldn't even believe it if it happened to me UNLESS I could actually read that test-object!
@MaynardMouse You know why? Because our brains deceive us at a daily basis. Every second actually.
People like you have the arrogance to think you're beyond being deceived by your brains. People like me just admit our brains are fallible and that the best way to determine the truth is to rely on controlled, observable, and repeatable data.
Until you got some of that, the rest is just fantasy.
And all that talk of consciousness and etheric bodies... man, you haven't demonstrated those either.
@MaynardMouse Using another thing you can't demonstrate is likely to exist to show that another thing - that you can't either demonstrate is likely exists - is likely to exist, is just a case of circular logic, special pleading and a whole bunch of other logical fallacies.
Make me take it serious by showing something that is demonstrably accurate, or at least admit that I have NO reason to, and that it so far is just about you thinking that you're incapable of deceiving yourself.
@balkan2k If you actually think that all of reality can be objectified, then yes, you're deceiving yourself, as you admitted. At least you recognize that much. As I said, you can either read those books and find out the real science behind the phenomena, which our current science hasn't caught up with yet, or you can keep believing in the superiority of your beliefs which are based on denial of what you're too lazy or afraid to investigate for yourself. Have fun with that.
@MaynardMouse 1) You yourself admitted it wasn't even real science.
2) I never said everything could be objectified. But so far every freak out there has their own idea of how the supernatural works and no-one seems to be able to demonstrate it in any repeatable fashion. strange, huh??
3) The greatest deceit of the mind is when you think you have the answers because of subjective experiences and you delude yourself into thinking they're more real than others'.
@balkan2k 1) I don't have room to describe them, but those books describe several tests done which are fully scientific, but considering the time period they were written in, it's quite understandable that they wouldn't make a huge deal about it.
2) Valid point there. But in the case of OBE's, the form that occurs most frequently (there are 3 forms) WILL often include some hallucinations or dream elements...BUT, they can be "willed" away IF the person experiencing them realizes this.
@balkan2k "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you don't know anything about." I'm quite comfortable with reality, and in fact I know that it contains far more than science can admit to. I never claimed my experiences were MORE real than others. But they're AS real. But explaining that to you would require introducing an entirely new philosophy before the new physics could even seem plausible...Subatomic particles don't behave exactly the same as planets, do they? Rules change.
@MaynardMouse They would require an entirely new physics to even seem plausible, but they're fully scientific... If you can't see the elephant in the room here, I can't help you.
Superman seems plausible as well, you just have to introduce an entirely new philosophy of physics.
@balkan2k Maybe you should get your eyes checked, sir. Seems the only defense you have is your own nonsense rhetoric. I'm sure the government's black ops programs recruit and train potential psychics all the time just for shits and giggles. "Should the vast array of discoveries confirming countless occult ideas made in the last century be even partially disclosed, it would amount to no less than a psychic revolution, in which Man would indeed be revealed as a potential Superman." -Aeolus Kephas
@balkan2k I'm not about to deny that a large majority of the people claiming these abilities are full of crap, and that a large percentage of those that actually do have them can make huge mistakes due to numerous variables that can't always be considered...But the example you just brought up can be thrown out completely due to the fact that the government created that entire scenario just to pull our strings. Again, you overlook countless examples where their abilities HAVE worked.
@balkan2k And I also practice energy healing and get results from it, both on myself and the people I've used it on. Tests have documented energy transference affecting another person's brainwaves from 3 stories away in a sensory-shielded building, & there are endless studies that have been done to support its benefits. I also experience synchronicities on an almost daily basis that no skeptic has ever given any credible explanation for; They explain one aspect of it and ignore what they can't.
@balkan2k Delusion and random chance are exactly the kind of bullshit I'm referring to, and they don't cover many of these experiences (although potentially a few).Yes, those tests were double-blinded & detailed in a book I have, I'm looking for references. I thought those government programs had been removed too...But it turns out they've actually developed a whole set of strict protocols for improving psychic abilities, and I attended a private workshop about them recently.
@MaynardMouse Yeah, I've read about that "improvement" and it's again completely without scientific merits.
And I'm guessing it's bullshit because it goes against your personal beliefs??
Again, I think it's arrogant to think you're less delusional than all the other people who think they've been abducted by aliens, that a pyramid shaped had can cure cancer and soforth. They've all had personal experiences as well. Look up "confirmation bias".
@balkan2k OK, this book doesn't have specific references for the studies mentioned, they seem to have come from conversations the author had with certain doctors and researchers...But a quick search come up with a wee bit of related somethings: Do a search for THE FREE LIBRARY with the words ENERGY MEDICINE SCIENTIFIC BASIS. I haven't looked at it all yet, but it may have something. And a possible explanation for most study failures: SPONTANEITY and playfulness are absent in them.
@MaynardMouse Great, so you agree I have no reason to take you more serious than the pyramid hat guy? And I AM sorry if you find the comparison offensive, for me there's just no difference. They cite all sorts of non-peer reviewed results and second and third hand testimonies as well.
And cool, I'll look into it :-) Thanks for the link.
@balkan2k Just one personal example of 100's: I bought a demo CD of a Qigong course, showing 3 exercises. I practiced them for a while, and soon had a huge cathartic release, intense crying, electrical sensations, automatic body movements, more OBE's, and an AMAZINGLY pleasant lotus fragrance in the back of my nose. When I later bought the full course, I was impressed to notice a section describing EVERY SINGLE ONE of those reactions. And the other exercises: my body had done them "on it's own."
@MaynardMouse Yes, 100's out of insane numbers who haven't, all of which can be explained by confirmation bias and soforth.
I'm a tai chi and qi gong instructor, and I know exactly how to induce those sensations mentally (except smell, but there are neurological explanations for that too). That doesn't make it anything special other than nice feelings. I don't believe in chi. I used to though.
If you don't believe I'm an instructor, here's me playing with a student at EM: youtube "lek med vapen"
@balkan2k I'm sorry, but confirmation bias doesn't explain it. I'm always the first to doubt what I'm experiencing & look for a "logical" explanation, & the ones that people provide just don't fit. Ever. I'm not using qigong as a confirmation of these experiences; It's only one example of numerous unrelated things that just don't add up in the skeptic's view of things. I've got a pretty good grasp of psychology and so forth, and if there was a mundane explanation, I would readily admit to it.
@balkan2k And it should also be obvious that a patient's "healing" depends on his own emotional state and mindset, regardless of what kind of mystical voodoo you try on him. It's quite easy for a patient to "block" any intended healing, even if he's doing it unconsciously. And what exactly is your neurological explanation for a hand movement inducing a smell? I'd like to hear it. "Show me a journal of science explaining it, or else I can never take you srsly!!!" lol
@MaynardMouse All I need is the fact that sensations of smell can be caused by NUMEROUS other things, some related to exercise. Qi gong is very emotional for me once in a while.
When you take 200 people (even 20!!) in a controlled environment and teach them the movements under supervision ensuring no suggestive speech, (how does 200 people know how it smell like?!?), and in separate rooms, and then you afterward ask them about sensations and they say smell of flowers, then I'll start believing.
@balkan2k Those are some pretty lame explanations. Again, like every other skeptic, you try to lump all experiences into a category that has a name given to it in order to make you feel like you know all about it. "There, it's in your mind, now bow down before my half-ass logic." There was nothing in my room to induce that smell, because I had never smelled it before in my life. If I had smelled sweaty balls, then I would readily admit to your explanations. But my balls don't smell that sweet.
@MaynardMouse LAME??? We can measure and manipulate the effect of those "lame explanations". People do stuff like this *all the time* in their brains.
And none of the explanations are good? Not even the one where some scent of lotus flower happened to be nearby or you had just experienced it earlier?? Lotus flower scent is a common ingredient in detergents.
And how did you know it was lotus if you hadn't smelled it before??
@balkan2k You need to calm down and think before you say anything. (I'm not bashing you or your beliefs). Remember that you don't know how a lotus smells like either and you've never personally experienced an OOBE. From unexplainable events stems the questions of life and death, meditation, and a higher level of consciousness in which only love, prosperity and wealth exist. Just go with it and see where it takes you, you don't need to prove yourself to anyone, test it out for yourself and relax!
@Jazroz More baseless assertions that this has anything to do with a higher level of consciousness, probably taken from that appalling "The Secret".
No, from unexplained events (I challenge you to show me that those events are even unexplainable, there are *loads* of scientifically supported explanations), stems the questions and ideas of what the explanation to those events might be, and scientific investigation of those questions.
@MaynardMouse You're starting to sound like you think your brain is some God-like, superhuman version, impervious to suggestion, impression, delusion, confirmation bias, wishful thinking and general twisting of past memories.
@MaynardMouse In fact I'm starting to think you're full of shit. At least I'm not having a discussion to anyone who thinks his mind is so superior and who is so close minded as you. There's just no point. You have set your mind on a conclusion and you'll look at all things that support it and reject those that doesn't.
@balkan2k Well farewell then. I've been practicing hypnosis and NLP for years, so I also know plenty about the power of suggestion and the mind's ability to manipulate data and events. But no, your explanations don't hold up. Get pissed if you want, but your full of shit by assuming that a few measurements of a certain type of phenomena can explain all phenomena. I'm sorry if the failure of your all-powerful scientific explanation frustrates you, but your Godly measurements are off.
@MaynardMouse You're like a guy winning the lottery saying "See I won the lottery! That's because those numbers i chose ALWAYS win."
And I might add, that unlike you I'm quite open to the possibility of you being right, but I only hear assertions and finger-in-your-ear type of arguments. I'm not going to debate you any further. I hate arguing with close-minded people.
@balkan2k It's an ugly reflection, isn't it? lol. "Tally what you know about people. Think of any human being on this earth, and you will know, without a shadow of a doubt, that no matter who they are, or what they think of themselves, or what they do, the result of their actions is always the same: making senseless figures in front of a mirror."
Once you've taken that James Randi price by demonstrating all these nice things, contact me.
Until then, thanks for being civil, most people get really obnoxious, but as I said, I don't debate close-minded people (in the sense that you've already set your mind on an explanation, like most pseudo-science advocates do - and some scientists). Your assertion that it just doesn't hold water because you don't think it does, just won't do anything for me.
@balkan2k I may very well do some some day...And thank you, likewise; It's something I've had to work at, after taking negative fire from scoffers on your side of the fence as well. Yet I find it just as closed-minded that you refused to even consider the books I mentioned earlier due to your own dogmatic beliefs. Your view gives you results you expect & so do mine. Yet we both probably have "blind spots" in this debate; "In order to have an opinion, any opinion, one must overlook something."
@balkan2k Nothing had "primed' me to expect any of those things, especially the fragrance. A few years later, I attended the Spring Forest Qigong retreat, & almost all 200 people there reported that smell; The attendants had to humorously explain that no one had been running around the room spraying things. And nearly EVERY day, a strange random thought will enter my mind just moments before I run into a stranger talking about it. "Coincidence" just doesn't go far enough in explaining them all.
Sorry m8, your personal experience is of no more use to me than my own, which I have found explanations for.
1) Someone COULD have experienced the smell.
2) Peer-"pressure" will lead people to not only say, but believe that they've experienced something. A talented tai chi instructor played this kind of trick with a bunch of us, then revealed how he did it. This was my first step on the road to understand that traditional Chinese medicine theories were 99% pseudo-science. crap
@MaynardMouse Explanations include empathy, confirmation bias, wishful thinking, deja-vu type neurological effects and general twisting of facts after the fact to better fit your desired reality.
You're just as prone to this as the rest of us.
Don't you think these abilities would have been honed tremendously through natural selection if they were at all plausible? It would be the GREATEST tool for the brain and for survival in general. Why is it so weak, vague and impervious to real scrutiny?
@balkan2k And you can't see how none of those explanations can possibly fit? The original video said it could heal sickness, that's all. Absolutely nothing to make me think, wish for, or expect any of those other events. I didn't "twist the facts" of what I smelled. And it seems more likely that they've been weeded out rather than honed, due to protective secrecy and attempts to get rid of them. Read Ingo Swann's "Psychic Sexuality," the FACTS have been violently suppressed for 5 centuries.
@MaynardMouse And no, I'm not going to take any jackass' word on face value. I was talking about (at least semi-) controlled experiments, and you claimed there were dozens?
I'm afraid I'm not swayed by fancy words or allusions, so until some controlled (highly preferably peer-reviewed) results surface, you can't expect me to take these things more serious than any other paranormal nonsense people claim to have experienced. It's simply a matter of not having a way of determining the validity.
@balkan2k It might not be peer-reviewed, but they did have their demonstrations studied in laboratoies. But you're fooling yourself if you believe that a lack of peer-reviewing makes it nonsense. But if you want to close the doors in your mind, that's your decision. Scientific tools are distorted by nature by being part of our physical camouflage system, and by trying to measure something outside of that system they will automatically "translate" what they measure into familiar terms.
this is a pathetic illustration of sciece's misunderstandings re: the out of body phenomenon and their intellectual laziness when it comes to researching what has actually been reported about it.
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Why are so many people hurting to get a out of body experience? I had one a few days ago but that was just because I almost overdosed on some fucking drugs, it's not something to try and get on your own trust me. It's scary as hell and I suggest you be thankful for your time here on Earth. Then when you die that's when you can experience one.
You've been duped into believing that any investigation or evidence was either scientific or true. The science of any truth is not discriminate of the feelings or beliefs of those that conduct a scientific study for a trutj. Nothing 'so-called' produced by scientifically controlled studies is repeatable or provable with OBE. Why should one waste time believing in something that can not be proved? It does not further human evolution or ingenuity. Thus it is a useless fairytale. Imagination.
Thanks. Very interesting - that the visual experience so dominates the physical. I'm personally exploring the attributes of 'reality' as distinct from 'virtual reality (just bought a Visux 920 eyewear. I'm fascinated thinking about the social and business implications of VR, including both the negative and the positive.
Hi joe zappia experience on 4 of nov was on the flor of is home.Then he was back in bed and then back on the flor of is bed room.The experience was real the mebical clinic ar at lost with it
OBEs are pure imagination. This man is not a scientist. He might as well be a ghost hunter. Sensory perception is an electrical interpretation of the brain. Tricking the brain through a core senses, such as vision and touch, do not prove anything beyond that the brain is competent in projecting false sensory perception. Is this guy for real? Can we possible return to reality?
@Draeka i thionk your wrong, i had obe's many times and i tell you it's something that you can't really explain easily to some one, I don't think just anyone can obe? it like gift, when i was having an out of body experience i could go anywhere i wanted within reason, and it was one off the most pleasant and relaxing experience i've ever had.
@Draeka if u feel it is pure imagination then can u explain the many cases where the person was unconscious physically and or ''dead'',then upon gaining consciousness could tell the nurses on the second floor what they were wearint talking about with detail,also the case where the women had this rare brain surgery where they drained the blood out of her and put foam and take over her eyes and put noise device in her ears and she decribed the docters conversation ect,even the docters were schoked
@Draeka what about the scientifcally controlled experiments where they had the obe'ers project themselves into a room and read what they had wrote on a blackboard,or they had the ober's describe a certain house or room that they never saw?and they were all correct?explain this phenomena please
This experiment does not debunk the real phenomenon of obe's and astral projection. This is just another attempt to discredit the fact that consciousness is far more than what the global oppressors want us to know. Sadly, many will 'trust' this propaganda and will reject their valid experiences as illusions or make-believe... Hence, they will remain within their mind-prisons -- SAD.
@AstralBooBaby 2nd part of my comment: And it would just happen, i did not ever hear about it at that time not till i was mush older, there is also mambers of my extended that have also had obe.
@jwin70 HI JOE ZAPPIA was thaking to sunshin hopital on 4 nov to 11 nov 2009 with a out body experience . The out of body experiences that the university experiments does not match up with havea out of body experiences there is lots more then that with the experinents it is a real DEATH EXPERIENE
Prof. Olaf Blanke, are you single? Tall, dark, handsome, brains and SEXY English accent.... pant..pant... I did pay attention to what he was saying (during the 2nd viewing of course!
Are you aware of the most famious obe? Jesus thought John how to will his spirit out of his body. I was in the Spirit same as out of body. I know this because I have had 3 obes and I saw things in high resolution, and no sense of time. Exactly what happened to john. He did not know what he was seeing so he described it. The result is revelation.
right i was going to reference the phenomena of being stuck in rem state while actually awake, ive had it happen to me before. I didnt go out of body or anything, but when dreams mix with reality anything can happen, however if your just sitting at your desk working away wide awake and suddenly you pop out of your body, thats pretty crazy. Maybe youve done some lsd in the past?
the best way is to get a needle and take your own blood... when you see the blood exiting your body being sucked out by the needle your spirit will go out the body through the needle the up to corner of the room and looking back you willl see urself faint if you are standing and you should return to your body and remember the whole thing when you hit the floor... this is how majority of people including me have had obe... ty and good luck.
what a load of nonsense tinman842... most of us have oobe's by lying down, increasing our vibrational energy until we reach the trance state then consciously exiting our body. It is your astral body that leaves
@joshfaz you can astral project at will? you should attempt to prove your skill by acquiring hidden information in a laboratory setting. Have a big poster placed on the wall in a room adjacent then just tell the researchers what it says. if you could prove your skill than your name would be in every child's text book for the next 10,000 years, and i would personally beg to apprentice under you.
Its important to commit fully to the experience. You might start to feel scared or nervous while this begins to happen, especially since in the beginning this is very freaky experience. But if you panic it will stop it from happening. And you will wake up.
If you ever feel like your body is paralyzed or you can't move, that means the OBE is starting.
Focus on meditation and controlled breathing few weeks before trying this. And keep on trying to have an OBE, sooner or later it will happen.
thx for ur help on achieving an obe. i am trying it right away. but im just curious do u think an virtual obe machine like in this video can help me achieve one? if so how do i sign up to take one?
Im not sure about this, because i've never done this type of experiment. You can try asking the video poster. But you might have to pay or something to be part of the experiment.
This is not really the experience you feel in an OBE though, i understand what its trying to do. But when you have an OBE you have a disconnect from the sensation of touch, you feel like a ghost. Also, more strange is the ability to "sense" things.
keep on trying to induce OBE, i guarantee you it will happen.
Every one has astral projections at some point in time. The thing is that most people dont remember them becus if u move while waking up u agitate your soul and u forget what you were dreaming.Astral projections are Dreams. Most people only remember the ending of there dreams bcus thats when ther mind(consciousness) tell them ther are about to wake up.
They are wrong to label this an "Out of Body Experience' because there is already a completely unrelated phenomenon which carries that label. This is nothing like an "Out of Body Experience".
Ok, this may sound weird but I remember some of this experience you call, dunno when, where or when it came from but it seems I remember it from the beggining of my life. I remember I was just like floating somewhere in a corner watching someone laying down in a bed, I think it was in a hospital, the other people tried to resuscitate that guy, everything was blurry and weird. I just keep remembering it all the time. Maybe it was a dream, but what have it caused?, I havent been in that situation.
@anewpersonalparadigm If they were willing to learn to astral project... and try to document scientifically their own experiences... that would have weight depending on who did it. But of course people think that projection isn't for everyone... but its just like learning anything else
I agree, and there are organizations like the International Academy of Consciousness, and the IIPC/CEAEC in Brazil, that are studying multidimensionality and developing a scientific infrastructure to further explore these other realms of manifestation...
Ultimately though, these experiences will verify the nature of consciousness on a personal level. I doubt that even the most conclusive empirical evidence will have as much of an impression on people as the actual experience of an OBE would...
@al3x440 What causes any of your dreams, other than your mind dealing with some issues? Dreams are dreams, and the brain have them for a biological reason.
We are by nature overtly pattern- and intention seeking, but if you busy your mind with trying to find intention or purpose where it doesn't belong, your mind is just going to wander around in circles without getting anywhere.
There's several ways to induce out of body experiences. Mostly, before you go to sleep you need to relax and focus on controlling your breathing.
The main way to get into an Obe, is to feel nothing, no smells, no sound, no sight, nothing before you fall asleep.
Just float in the darkness and relax. Strange things will begin to happen after that point. You will feel sensation like floating on water, might hear sharp noises, loud static, whispers.
Another way to get into an OBE is to constantly check if your awake. You can do this by putting a small sign on your hand, then check it constantly. If its not there, you are dreaming.
From this state of lucid dreaming (when you realize you are in a dream). You can project yourself out of your body. This is a less reliable method, since you might just be having another dream instead of an OBE.
One of the best methods is to fall asleep relaxed staring at a dim light, like a candle.
You can induce out of body experiences through taking drugs or trans-cranial magnetic stimulation of certain brain areas. Or if you train yourself at lucid dreaming. Anyone can experience them. Conciousness\perception is what parts of the brain are currently active and how they are communicating with each other. Mind and brain are the same thing, it is physical, and one does not "cause" the other.
When I was 20 I had a dream that I was at my aunts house. I was talking to her and then I felt extremely weak and felt like I was fading fast. I collapsed on the floor and everything went black and my aunt screamed * somebody call 911!*
I found out the next day that my uncle had died that night.
I had no prior knoweldge that he was in bad health of any kind and I barely ever saw him except at thanksgiving and family birthdays.
this doesn't disprove the phenomenon, it just shed lights on an illusion. You have other factors of typical OBEs that this doesn't and cannot address.
Wow man, one full minute of stroking? I stroke mine only 10 sec and I am out.
viagraeffects 1 month ago
Age five, OBE, remember very clearly, 22 now, floating, being guided down the stairs, man with long black hair at bottom of stairs tells me to come closer, have no strength to climb back upstairs, any reasons anyone?
Fifthmuskateer 2 months ago
@Fifthmuskateer yes. you just had your first alien abduction experience. most likely happens to you when you are falling asleep. do you remember orbs of light around you while growing up?
tehbible 1 month ago
@tehbible Nahh didn't see none of that shit. It was like I was on some crazy ass drug. Probably eating my Dads depressants done that shit to me!
Fifthmuskateer 1 month ago
1:11 whoa I thought that was a dude
kyoukan102 2 months ago
I've had one of these. Seen myself from another whole perspective and all that shiz. Heard conversations from affar and such, too. Interesting shit.
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christorthodox 3 months ago
Imgoing to do the real out of body experience!!!!!:D
GlittleLoveMJ4ever 4 months ago
"Induced" an out of body experience? More accurately "attempted to simulate".
wks1978 4 months ago
this man is somewhat right but you can leave your body further then that I personally have reached the outer part of my house and reached the outer part of the sky but you cant go any further then that there is a wall of some sort holding you down. this has happened to me many times. I will share with you how I have bipolar disorder which means my mind races uncontrollably and i get hyper manic. When that happens I lay down. I go through thousands of thoughts in a hour.
pem10777 6 months ago
@pem10777 So I put all those thoughts and I begin to put them in a circle like when you are at a tilt a whilr ride at a fair. The thought are going so fast that when they stop I am no longer in my body and I am facing myself. This has happens to me with medication and without medication and on pot. I quit pot 3 years ago because i ended in a mental hospital. But the outer body still happens. My mind is fucked. i know. But i can tell you this is real.
pem10777 6 months ago
@pem10777 I went to a Chakra specialist and he made energy go through my brain back and forth side to side them up and down for about 30 minutes. After that I felt like shit my mind began to race none stop. I went home laid down and my mind began to race. So I did the tilt a whirl thing again and it happen again. it hurts my body feels like it is slamming against the walls of the room and when everything stops I'm out of my body.
pem10777 6 months ago
@pem10777 on pot you smoke so much I mean so much to the point where you can handle it anymore just puff after puff after puff that you put yourself in a state of dying that your body just leaves. And that is what happend to me. I smoked and smoked so much in one session that my mind just left and i almost died and ended up in the hospital. After that I quit cold turkey and have not touched a joint but my body every now and then just leaves. i fucked myself. but now it wont stop.
pem10777 6 months ago
@pem10777
In its 10,000 years or so of known use, there has been 0 reported deaths from marijuana use, EVER. You can't die from marijuana, it is impossible unless you smoke a 3rd of your body weight in 15 minutes (which is physically impossible). Look it up - you are being paranoid. You weren't going to die, you simply felt like you were.
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@pem10777
you fucking idiot....cold turkey? off weed lmao you fucking noob ass idiot. you probably had a panic attack because your just a fucking newb
masterchiefer123 4 months ago
@pem10777 you cannot die from smoking pot, you had an anxiety attack at that resulted in major depersonilization or your weed was laced.
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pem10777 6 months ago
sorry guys, but this setup is nothing else than a hypnotically creation of kine-static and visual anchors and firing them of shortly after the creation. Nice try, but from my point of view, this has nothing to do with OBE.
rt14ch 6 months ago
@rt14ch "Nice try, but from my point of view, this has nothing to do with OBE."
They have a fairly extensive theory to go along with these experiments, and others, and they actually have an extremely compelling story to tell about how we form first person experience, body image etc. If you're interested, Thomas Metzinger recently wrote a book surrounding that research group. It's called "The Ego Tunnel".
What they are doing is selectively screwing with particular components of the self.
Gnomefro 5 months ago
@rt14ch Anyway, the argument for a connection with OBE obviously is that they can separate location in space from viewpoint. Other experiments demonstrate other types of disconnection, which slowly teases out which components of experience can be separated. Simply calling this a "hypnotic" phenomenon doesn't mean OBE isn't a result of similar disconnect or that it isn't a hallucination at its core.
Gnomefro 5 months ago
@Gnomefro have a quick read on NLP, Hypnosis and anchors. You will understand, that the experiment they are showing is nothing else than "tricking" the mind. The experiment is irrelevant, neither the existence or none existence of OBE is proofed. Compared to OBE, nobody is firing off any hypnostic anchors. It happens.
rt14ch 5 months ago
I've done quite alot of OOBE's. But I prefer a scientific view, OOBE's tell us more about our internal reality, than about the reality 'out there', about which they reveal nothing.
I look forward to a day when this 'absurdly hi tech' system can get rid of the ballache of having religious experiences (no more spending weeks in a cave to get your brain to fire up the 'meet God' neurons). Just manipulate the temporal lobe and jobs a goodun.
:)
AxisMundiOnline 7 months ago
Proof is probably an over rated commodity so I hear your point of view but we must, by the same token be able to offer some kind of contextual platform of discussion that adheres to some kind of consistent frame of reference which stipulates the need for some kind of model based reality which can be impartially observed by various independent observers. Otherwise we lend our views to no more than conjecturous hiersay so experience albeit wonderful is not a credible platform to explore on
1DreamWarrior 7 months ago
i had this twice before i knew what it was however i was sleeping, if u guys want to feel it try a hallucinogen on mild dosage so nothing happen but the 2ft body away feeling
SOULJAJOE010 8 months ago
A scientist is supposed to be an unbiased source looking for the truth. However it seems scientists are just trying to twist the truth to see whatever they wish to see, just as absurdly as religious-fanatics, they ignore the facts and try to twist evidence and what that evidence means to support their theory instead of looking and the highest likely cause.Did not explain the elevated view whatsoever, or how people that experience OOBEs can recall real events that occured.
ValkyereHowie 10 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Agreed!!
We are conducting an experiement from the opposite angle on my home site, allowing the investgation of out of body experiences to be modeled from the experientail point of view and projecting our findings on to a model of the dream reality to see if it is impartial to expectation and reveals and "laws" unto itself
Here is an example - "In dreams why do electrical devices fail eg light bulbs......?"
Join in and lets find out - wake up in your dreams.com
1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
@1DreamWarrior Very interesting! I will definitely have to check your site out!
ValkyereHowie 6 months ago
@1DreamWarrior Would appreciate that
Sign up at the blog if want to join in - its Wake Up In Your Dreams
Need some good metaphysical scientists onboard
1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
Please explain to me how strapping a very expensive camera onto someone and putting a small montior relaying the camera's perspective and position to the person relates in anyway shape or form to out of body experiences, whether caused by strange/odd reactions in the brain due to injury/impaired function, or truly a paranormal phenomena, this in no way even RELATES to why or how it could occur, this is not scientific whatsoever.
ValkyereHowie 10 months ago
@ValkyereHowie An out of body experience is merely the brain being fooled into locating consciousness somewhere other than in the body. Nothing actually leaves the body. This experiment shows how the brain can be fooled through visual means into locating itself elsewhere. So whether it's drug-induced, visually induced or induced voluntarily through means of relaxation, it's the same process of confusing the brain.
Steve7508 9 months ago
@Steve7508 Using absurdly high tech 21st century technology to simulate and out of body experience has no corrolation to a real out of body experience! For crap sake they used a giant camera hanging in the air with a screen pressed against her eyes! That is ridiculous to be called science. Please explain why some people whom have an OOBE can recall real things that occured in different areas whilst they were having an OOBE?
ValkyereHowie 9 months ago
@Steve7508 you never had an out of body experience then
runemetalownz 9 months ago
@runemetalownz No I haven't, but I stand by my assertion that it's purely a brain-based phenomenon, no matter how much it feels like you've left your body.
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@Steve7508 oh alright
runemetalownz 9 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=HF15T30xCPc
I never believed in these, until it never happened to me.
Hermanopepe 11 months ago
Fake.
Alexdurrant7 11 months ago
YAY! A youtube arguement that was actually settled! But either way, being closed-minded and stubborn to change an idea/answer/belief is unfortunatly hidden within each person. I could be wrong, but most people (especially americans) are hard-headed and refuse to change their mind. I hope I dont start a comment fight like this, so I'll just stop talking. =)
nin10doh1997 1 year ago
1 more problem is how do People that has been blind from birth see during An OBE or near death experience,Or why during a OBE can you see what people are doing in streets ect, just because science can create the illusion of an OBE does not mean that an actual Obe is not real.People who only look at Facts miss the big picture!! Use both sides of your brain not just the left side thats why you have 2! Dont put ur self in a box.Suggesting science can do it so it cant be real,shows how trapped u are
Heino0077 1 year ago
"The projected form does make some impression upon the physical system. It is possible for it to be detected. It is a kind of pseudo-image, materialistically speaking, but it has definite electromagnetic reality and chemical properties. Animals have sensed such apparitions. They react to the chemical properties and build up to the perception of the images from these." --Seth / Jane Roberts
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@jwin70 You can't. Tests have been running for years, where patients experiencing OBE were asked to describe large, details hidden from the view as seen from the bed placed by the scientists. While they have claimed to see all sorts of precise details including them selves from above, somewhere near the ceiling, they somehow always manage not to notice these large, obvious markers.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k
I think you've overlooked the dozens of tests where they have. But one large issue is that you simply can't interpret these experiences the way you do daily life. Episodes will be related to each other by different methods that will be intuitional, highly selective and psychological. You will have to find your way through complicated mazes of reality according to your own intuitional nature...
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Please link to those dozens of controlled tests (as much as they can be) where the person experiencing OBE noticed an object intentionally placed out of ordinary sight. I've found not a single.
The rest of your comment is rhetorical banter. A lot of experiences and feelings are hard to explain and our minds are incredible at playing tricks with us.
And you can't simply just assert that I can't interpret these experiences "like daily life" before you're determined that they're not.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k It's sad to see people so un-adventurous that they have to have someone in a lab coat dictate to them what's real...But you'll find a few examples in some of Jane Roberts' older books (particularly SETH, DREAMS, AND PROJECTIONS OF CONSCIOUSNESS) and some of Robert Monroe's earlier work. You'll have to put together some of the information between those two before you'll fully understand the huge problem with your assumptions.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse You know what's unadventurous? Just saying "this is an out of body experience, and no matter how close you can come with different types of experiments it's just not the same and you can't explain it. Why? Because I and some highly incredulous people say so."
Look up the "Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment" and "God helmet". Some pretty interesting things have been discovered by *Being Adventurous*, open minded, and examining *for real* what's going on!!
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k And I've seen those videos...ignorant attempts to say that one experience invalidates another...As often happens, they're too conceited to take their ideas further and actually follow their logic all the way through. Yes, you can achieve something that FEELS like an OBE that way, but they completely ignore the fact that the same principle is used to project a copy of consciousness into the etheric body that we CREATE. It's difficult to catch one standing around to measure it, I admit.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse More baseless assertions that I can't use until you can demonstrate they have some credence. Until then, I'm really finding it hard how you think I should take you more serious than people who think they've been abducted by aliens, think they can read auras, cure people from afar by sending energy (they're never better than no cure), or who believe in astrology.
Why should I believe you? I wouldn't even believe it if it happened to me UNLESS I could actually read that test-object!
balkan2k 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse You know why? Because our brains deceive us at a daily basis. Every second actually.
People like you have the arrogance to think you're beyond being deceived by your brains. People like me just admit our brains are fallible and that the best way to determine the truth is to rely on controlled, observable, and repeatable data.
Until you got some of that, the rest is just fantasy.
And all that talk of consciousness and etheric bodies... man, you haven't demonstrated those either.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Using another thing you can't demonstrate is likely to exist to show that another thing - that you can't either demonstrate is likely exists - is likely to exist, is just a case of circular logic, special pleading and a whole bunch of other logical fallacies.
Make me take it serious by showing something that is demonstrably accurate, or at least admit that I have NO reason to, and that it so far is just about you thinking that you're incapable of deceiving yourself.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k If you actually think that all of reality can be objectified, then yes, you're deceiving yourself, as you admitted. At least you recognize that much. As I said, you can either read those books and find out the real science behind the phenomena, which our current science hasn't caught up with yet, or you can keep believing in the superiority of your beliefs which are based on denial of what you're too lazy or afraid to investigate for yourself. Have fun with that.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse 1) You yourself admitted it wasn't even real science.
2) I never said everything could be objectified. But so far every freak out there has their own idea of how the supernatural works and no-one seems to be able to demonstrate it in any repeatable fashion. strange, huh??
3) The greatest deceit of the mind is when you think you have the answers because of subjective experiences and you delude yourself into thinking they're more real than others'.
YOU are afraid. Afraid of reality.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k 1) I don't have room to describe them, but those books describe several tests done which are fully scientific, but considering the time period they were written in, it's quite understandable that they wouldn't make a huge deal about it.
2) Valid point there. But in the case of OBE's, the form that occurs most frequently (there are 3 forms) WILL often include some hallucinations or dream elements...BUT, they can be "willed" away IF the person experiencing them realizes this.
3.)No...
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@balkan2k "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you don't know anything about." I'm quite comfortable with reality, and in fact I know that it contains far more than science can admit to. I never claimed my experiences were MORE real than others. But they're AS real. But explaining that to you would require introducing an entirely new philosophy before the new physics could even seem plausible...Subatomic particles don't behave exactly the same as planets, do they? Rules change.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse They would require an entirely new physics to even seem plausible, but they're fully scientific... If you can't see the elephant in the room here, I can't help you.
Superman seems plausible as well, you just have to introduce an entirely new philosophy of physics.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Maybe you should get your eyes checked, sir. Seems the only defense you have is your own nonsense rhetoric. I'm sure the government's black ops programs recruit and train potential psychics all the time just for shits and giggles. "Should the vast array of discoveries confirming countless occult ideas made in the last century be even partially disclosed, it would amount to no less than a psychic revolution, in which Man would indeed be revealed as a potential Superman." -Aeolus Kephas
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Nonsense rhetoric? You yourself admitted it wasn't scientific. So why should I take it as such?
Why should I believe you over faith-healers or anything like that? Demonstrable evidence is the only way to make rational judgments.
Oh yea, those military psychic programs... like those psychics who found the WMD's? eh..
More baseless arguments to support other baseless arguments.
Sad to see such close-minded people as yourself, just jumping to conclusions instead of being adventurous.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k I'm not about to deny that a large majority of the people claiming these abilities are full of crap, and that a large percentage of those that actually do have them can make huge mistakes due to numerous variables that can't always be considered...But the example you just brought up can be thrown out completely due to the fact that the government created that entire scenario just to pull our strings. Again, you overlook countless examples where their abilities HAVE worked.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@balkan2k And I also practice energy healing and get results from it, both on myself and the people I've used it on. Tests have documented energy transference affecting another person's brainwaves from 3 stories away in a sensory-shielded building, & there are endless studies that have been done to support its benefits. I also experience synchronicities on an almost daily basis that no skeptic has ever given any credible explanation for; They explain one aspect of it and ignore what they can't.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Credible explanation: Delusion (of the kind we all have, don't get your knickers in a twist) and random chance.
Please link to articles about those tests :) Were they double blinded?
And why does it never work when conditions ARE controlled??
There is not a SINGLE credible fraud-controlled experiment I know of that has shown more than random chance-results.
And remote viewing tests were removed from military programs in 1995. Why? Because it didn't work.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Delusion and random chance are exactly the kind of bullshit I'm referring to, and they don't cover many of these experiences (although potentially a few).Yes, those tests were double-blinded & detailed in a book I have, I'm looking for references. I thought those government programs had been removed too...But it turns out they've actually developed a whole set of strict protocols for improving psychic abilities, and I attended a private workshop about them recently.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Yeah, I've read about that "improvement" and it's again completely without scientific merits.
And I'm guessing it's bullshit because it goes against your personal beliefs??
Again, I think it's arrogant to think you're less delusional than all the other people who think they've been abducted by aliens, that a pyramid shaped had can cure cancer and soforth. They've all had personal experiences as well. Look up "confirmation bias".
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k OK, this book doesn't have specific references for the studies mentioned, they seem to have come from conversations the author had with certain doctors and researchers...But a quick search come up with a wee bit of related somethings: Do a search for THE FREE LIBRARY with the words ENERGY MEDICINE SCIENTIFIC BASIS. I haven't looked at it all yet, but it may have something. And a possible explanation for most study failures: SPONTANEITY and playfulness are absent in them.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Great, so you agree I have no reason to take you more serious than the pyramid hat guy? And I AM sorry if you find the comparison offensive, for me there's just no difference. They cite all sorts of non-peer reviewed results and second and third hand testimonies as well.
And cool, I'll look into it :-) Thanks for the link.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Just one personal example of 100's: I bought a demo CD of a Qigong course, showing 3 exercises. I practiced them for a while, and soon had a huge cathartic release, intense crying, electrical sensations, automatic body movements, more OBE's, and an AMAZINGLY pleasant lotus fragrance in the back of my nose. When I later bought the full course, I was impressed to notice a section describing EVERY SINGLE ONE of those reactions. And the other exercises: my body had done them "on it's own."
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Yes, 100's out of insane numbers who haven't, all of which can be explained by confirmation bias and soforth.
I'm a tai chi and qi gong instructor, and I know exactly how to induce those sensations mentally (except smell, but there are neurological explanations for that too). That doesn't make it anything special other than nice feelings. I don't believe in chi. I used to though.
If you don't believe I'm an instructor, here's me playing with a student at EM: youtube "lek med vapen"
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k I'm sorry, but confirmation bias doesn't explain it. I'm always the first to doubt what I'm experiencing & look for a "logical" explanation, & the ones that people provide just don't fit. Ever. I'm not using qigong as a confirmation of these experiences; It's only one example of numerous unrelated things that just don't add up in the skeptic's view of things. I've got a pretty good grasp of psychology and so forth, and if there was a mundane explanation, I would readily admit to it.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@balkan2k And it should also be obvious that a patient's "healing" depends on his own emotional state and mindset, regardless of what kind of mystical voodoo you try on him. It's quite easy for a patient to "block" any intended healing, even if he's doing it unconsciously. And what exactly is your neurological explanation for a hand movement inducing a smell? I'd like to hear it. "Show me a journal of science explaining it, or else I can never take you srsly!!!" lol
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse I don't have to. General stress relief can cause all sorts of things. Emotions can trigger these things.
Some people confuse smell and color in their brains.
I don't think hand wavering has anything to do with it. Stress relief might, and qi gong is excellent for stress relief.
There might also have been a smell like that *somewhere* in the room/area and your relaxed mind focused on it.
You're just being close minded and won't *actually* look for explanations.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse All I need is the fact that sensations of smell can be caused by NUMEROUS other things, some related to exercise. Qi gong is very emotional for me once in a while.
When you take 200 people (even 20!!) in a controlled environment and teach them the movements under supervision ensuring no suggestive speech, (how does 200 people know how it smell like?!?), and in separate rooms, and then you afterward ask them about sensations and they say smell of flowers, then I'll start believing.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Those are some pretty lame explanations. Again, like every other skeptic, you try to lump all experiences into a category that has a name given to it in order to make you feel like you know all about it. "There, it's in your mind, now bow down before my half-ass logic." There was nothing in my room to induce that smell, because I had never smelled it before in my life. If I had smelled sweaty balls, then I would readily admit to your explanations. But my balls don't smell that sweet.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse LAME??? We can measure and manipulate the effect of those "lame explanations". People do stuff like this *all the time* in their brains.
And none of the explanations are good? Not even the one where some scent of lotus flower happened to be nearby or you had just experienced it earlier?? Lotus flower scent is a common ingredient in detergents.
And how did you know it was lotus if you hadn't smelled it before??
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k You need to calm down and think before you say anything. (I'm not bashing you or your beliefs). Remember that you don't know how a lotus smells like either and you've never personally experienced an OOBE. From unexplainable events stems the questions of life and death, meditation, and a higher level of consciousness in which only love, prosperity and wealth exist. Just go with it and see where it takes you, you don't need to prove yourself to anyone, test it out for yourself and relax!
Jazroz 11 months ago
@Jazroz More baseless assertions that this has anything to do with a higher level of consciousness, probably taken from that appalling "The Secret".
No, from unexplained events (I challenge you to show me that those events are even unexplainable, there are *loads* of scientifically supported explanations), stems the questions and ideas of what the explanation to those events might be, and scientific investigation of those questions.
balkan2k 11 months ago
@MaynardMouse You're starting to sound like you think your brain is some God-like, superhuman version, impervious to suggestion, impression, delusion, confirmation bias, wishful thinking and general twisting of past memories.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse In fact I'm starting to think you're full of shit. At least I'm not having a discussion to anyone who thinks his mind is so superior and who is so close minded as you. There's just no point. You have set your mind on a conclusion and you'll look at all things that support it and reject those that doesn't.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Well farewell then. I've been practicing hypnosis and NLP for years, so I also know plenty about the power of suggestion and the mind's ability to manipulate data and events. But no, your explanations don't hold up. Get pissed if you want, but your full of shit by assuming that a few measurements of a certain type of phenomena can explain all phenomena. I'm sorry if the failure of your all-powerful scientific explanation frustrates you, but your Godly measurements are off.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse You're like a guy winning the lottery saying "See I won the lottery! That's because those numbers i chose ALWAYS win."
And I might add, that unlike you I'm quite open to the possibility of you being right, but I only hear assertions and finger-in-your-ear type of arguments. I'm not going to debate you any further. I hate arguing with close-minded people.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k It's an ugly reflection, isn't it? lol. "Tally what you know about people. Think of any human being on this earth, and you will know, without a shadow of a doubt, that no matter who they are, or what they think of themselves, or what they do, the result of their actions is always the same: making senseless figures in front of a mirror."
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Nah it's all nice and well.
Once you've taken that James Randi price by demonstrating all these nice things, contact me.
Until then, thanks for being civil, most people get really obnoxious, but as I said, I don't debate close-minded people (in the sense that you've already set your mind on an explanation, like most pseudo-science advocates do - and some scientists). Your assertion that it just doesn't hold water because you don't think it does, just won't do anything for me.
Ciao.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k I may very well do some some day...And thank you, likewise; It's something I've had to work at, after taking negative fire from scoffers on your side of the fence as well. Yet I find it just as closed-minded that you refused to even consider the books I mentioned earlier due to your own dogmatic beliefs. Your view gives you results you expect & so do mine. Yet we both probably have "blind spots" in this debate; "In order to have an opinion, any opinion, one must overlook something."
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Oh, I'll definitely check them out, don't get me wrong... and of course also look at reviews and criticism ;-)
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k Nothing had "primed' me to expect any of those things, especially the fragrance. A few years later, I attended the Spring Forest Qigong retreat, & almost all 200 people there reported that smell; The attendants had to humorously explain that no one had been running around the room spraying things. And nearly EVERY day, a strange random thought will enter my mind just moments before I run into a stranger talking about it. "Coincidence" just doesn't go far enough in explaining them all.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse
Sorry m8, your personal experience is of no more use to me than my own, which I have found explanations for.
1) Someone COULD have experienced the smell.
2) Peer-"pressure" will lead people to not only say, but believe that they've experienced something. A talented tai chi instructor played this kind of trick with a bunch of us, then revealed how he did it. This was my first step on the road to understand that traditional Chinese medicine theories were 99% pseudo-science. crap
balkan2k 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse Explanations include empathy, confirmation bias, wishful thinking, deja-vu type neurological effects and general twisting of facts after the fact to better fit your desired reality.
You're just as prone to this as the rest of us.
Don't you think these abilities would have been honed tremendously through natural selection if they were at all plausible? It would be the GREATEST tool for the brain and for survival in general. Why is it so weak, vague and impervious to real scrutiny?
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k And you can't see how none of those explanations can possibly fit? The original video said it could heal sickness, that's all. Absolutely nothing to make me think, wish for, or expect any of those other events. I didn't "twist the facts" of what I smelled. And it seems more likely that they've been weeded out rather than honed, due to protective secrecy and attempts to get rid of them. Read Ingo Swann's "Psychic Sexuality," the FACTS have been violently suppressed for 5 centuries.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
@MaynardMouse And no, I'm not going to take any jackass' word on face value. I was talking about (at least semi-) controlled experiments, and you claimed there were dozens?
I'm afraid I'm not swayed by fancy words or allusions, so until some controlled (highly preferably peer-reviewed) results surface, you can't expect me to take these things more serious than any other paranormal nonsense people claim to have experienced. It's simply a matter of not having a way of determining the validity.
balkan2k 1 year ago
@balkan2k It might not be peer-reviewed, but they did have their demonstrations studied in laboratoies. But you're fooling yourself if you believe that a lack of peer-reviewing makes it nonsense. But if you want to close the doors in your mind, that's your decision. Scientific tools are distorted by nature by being part of our physical camouflage system, and by trying to measure something outside of that system they will automatically "translate" what they measure into familiar terms.
MaynardMouse 1 year ago
So tell me where is the projector and where is the screen in an OBE?
cunnidvd 1 year ago
thumbs up if you thought it was a guy
GewdFellaR 1 year ago
WTF I thought that was some skater kid, but it was a girl!
THATS1CK 1 year ago
In soviet rusia, body's going out of you.
artos0131 1 year ago 33
@artos0131 AHAHAHAHA FCUKIN BEST COMMENT HERE :)))
upublic 1 year ago
@jwin70
Perhaps the funny thing is that this isn't as much of a problem as we've always thought.
*disclaimer; i have only seen this vid, not heard it.
dondertochop 1 year ago
this is a pathetic illustration of sciece's misunderstandings re: the out of body phenomenon and their intellectual laziness when it comes to researching what has actually been reported about it.
fail.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
i know how to induce one, but i don't want to for the fear of accidently slippling into the afterlife
Darkmatter28031 1 year ago
Why are so many people hurting to get a out of body experience? I had one a few days ago but that was just because I almost overdosed on some fucking drugs, it's not something to try and get on your own trust me. It's scary as hell and I suggest you be thankful for your time here on Earth. Then when you die that's when you can experience one.
kycurle295 1 year ago
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I had an out-of-body experience when I was 7, and then during it I had a premonition which came true a year later...
My life has always been very different and I have alot of psycic energy, which all true mediums and psycics have picked up on.
Could anyone give me any ideas on why I had this out-of-body experience and a premonition at 7 years old?
Thank you xx
TheFireflyBeauty 1 year ago
You've been duped into believing that any investigation or evidence was either scientific or true. The science of any truth is not discriminate of the feelings or beliefs of those that conduct a scientific study for a trutj. Nothing 'so-called' produced by scientifically controlled studies is repeatable or provable with OBE. Why should one waste time believing in something that can not be proved? It does not further human evolution or ingenuity. Thus it is a useless fairytale. Imagination.
Draeka 1 year ago
Yeah, but not quite.
GaySingleMulatto 1 year ago
Thanks. Very interesting - that the visual experience so dominates the physical. I'm personally exploring the attributes of 'reality' as distinct from 'virtual reality (just bought a Visux 920 eyewear. I'm fascinated thinking about the social and business implications of VR, including both the negative and the positive.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
Hi joe zappia experience on 4 of nov was on the flor of is home.Then he was back in bed and then back on the flor of is bed room.The experience was real the mebical clinic ar at lost with it
12345abc38 1 year ago
OBEs are pure imagination. This man is not a scientist. He might as well be a ghost hunter. Sensory perception is an electrical interpretation of the brain. Tricking the brain through a core senses, such as vision and touch, do not prove anything beyond that the brain is competent in projecting false sensory perception. Is this guy for real? Can we possible return to reality?
Draeka 1 year ago
@Draeka i thionk your wrong, i had obe's many times and i tell you it's something that you can't really explain easily to some one, I don't think just anyone can obe? it like gift, when i was having an out of body experience i could go anywhere i wanted within reason, and it was one off the most pleasant and relaxing experience i've ever had.
keenandwhat009 1 year ago
@Draeka if u feel it is pure imagination then can u explain the many cases where the person was unconscious physically and or ''dead'',then upon gaining consciousness could tell the nurses on the second floor what they were wearint talking about with detail,also the case where the women had this rare brain surgery where they drained the blood out of her and put foam and take over her eyes and put noise device in her ears and she decribed the docters conversation ect,even the docters were schoked
jamiacanprincess 1 year ago
@jamiacanprincess It sounds like you know what your'e talking about ! so do I. I've had a fair amount of O.B.E.s Have you ?
mxvet78 1 year ago
@Draeka what about the scientifcally controlled experiments where they had the obe'ers project themselves into a room and read what they had wrote on a blackboard,or they had the ober's describe a certain house or room that they never saw?and they were all correct?explain this phenomena please
jamiacanprincess 1 year ago
This experiment does not debunk the real phenomenon of obe's and astral projection. This is just another attempt to discredit the fact that consciousness is far more than what the global oppressors want us to know. Sadly, many will 'trust' this propaganda and will reject their valid experiences as illusions or make-believe... Hence, they will remain within their mind-prisons -- SAD.
AstralBooBaby 1 year ago
@AstralBooBaby 2nd part of my comment: And it would just happen, i did not ever hear about it at that time not till i was mush older, there is also mambers of my extended that have also had obe.
keenandwhat009 1 year ago
@jwin70 HI JOE ZAPPIA was thaking to sunshin hopital on 4 nov to 11 nov 2009 with a out body experience . The out of body experiences that the university experiments does not match up with havea out of body experiences there is lots more then that with the experinents it is a real DEATH EXPERIENE
12345abc38 1 year ago
Prof. Olaf Blanke, are you single? Tall, dark, handsome, brains and SEXY English accent.... pant..pant... I did pay attention to what he was saying (during the 2nd viewing of course!
thutchison68 1 year ago
Are you aware of the most famious obe? Jesus thought John how to will his spirit out of his body. I was in the Spirit same as out of body. I know this because I have had 3 obes and I saw things in high resolution, and no sense of time. Exactly what happened to john. He did not know what he was seeing so he described it. The result is revelation.
StigmataBOB1 1 year ago
erm ok....
EppicChick 1 year ago
i get an out of body experience abou once every 2 weeks. Does anyone know how to stop them. they freak me out
corkchick1 2 years ago
dude i had one today....i was trying to scream for help but i couldnt "[
BlankMessageTV 2 years ago
@ BlankMessageTV thats sleep paralasys
terry4144 1 year ago
corkchick1...
I suggest you eat something small before going to bed, nothing with too much sugar or carbs as you dont want to stack on lots of weight lol.
also go to sleep on your side, not on your back
joshfaz 1 year ago
@corkchick1 can you think of any commonality in the events prior to these episodes? you have definitely peeked my interest.
lwanatt 1 year ago
Nope nothing at all.... they just happen.. they are meant to happen though if your like sick or not in a proper sleep
corkchick1 1 year ago
right i was going to reference the phenomena of being stuck in rem state while actually awake, ive had it happen to me before. I didnt go out of body or anything, but when dreams mix with reality anything can happen, however if your just sitting at your desk working away wide awake and suddenly you pop out of your body, thats pretty crazy. Maybe youve done some lsd in the past?
lwanatt 1 year ago
the best way is to get a needle and take your own blood... when you see the blood exiting your body being sucked out by the needle your spirit will go out the body through the needle the up to corner of the room and looking back you willl see urself faint if you are standing and you should return to your body and remember the whole thing when you hit the floor... this is how majority of people including me have had obe... ty and good luck.
tinman842 2 years ago
what a load of nonsense tinman842... most of us have oobe's by lying down, increasing our vibrational energy until we reach the trance state then consciously exiting our body. It is your astral body that leaves
joshfaz 1 year ago
@joshfaz you can astral project at will? you should attempt to prove your skill by acquiring hidden information in a laboratory setting. Have a big poster placed on the wall in a room adjacent then just tell the researchers what it says. if you could prove your skill than your name would be in every child's text book for the next 10,000 years, and i would personally beg to apprentice under you.
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VZonesVirtualWorlds 2 years ago
Is having an OBE safe? Are their any risks?
ROCKonTWITCH 2 years ago
@ROCKonTWITCH There are only risks if it's drug-induced.
airainstrumentals 1 year ago
Skeptic fail.
BabelOn4infinity 2 years ago
if i want an out of body experience ill just look in a freakin mirror.
pacr11397 2 years ago
I get out of body expierences when i'm really high.
l337m0x 2 years ago 9
really? high on what?
jujucaster64 2 years ago
I think that guys hair is having an out of body experience!
trubblemuffin 2 years ago 3
Yeah, its about two meters away from his head. lol.
ROCKonTWITCH 2 years ago
she can stroke my front for an hour
bjallstars 2 years ago
lol she can stroke my back hahahha
wompasdub 2 years ago
Its important to commit fully to the experience. You might start to feel scared or nervous while this begins to happen, especially since in the beginning this is very freaky experience. But if you panic it will stop it from happening. And you will wake up.
If you ever feel like your body is paralyzed or you can't move, that means the OBE is starting.
Focus on meditation and controlled breathing few weeks before trying this. And keep on trying to have an OBE, sooner or later it will happen.
Inferfire 2 years ago 3
thx for ur help on achieving an obe. i am trying it right away. but im just curious do u think an virtual obe machine like in this video can help me achieve one? if so how do i sign up to take one?
kbplaya1234 2 years ago
Im not sure about this, because i've never done this type of experiment. You can try asking the video poster. But you might have to pay or something to be part of the experiment.
This is not really the experience you feel in an OBE though, i understand what its trying to do. But when you have an OBE you have a disconnect from the sensation of touch, you feel like a ghost. Also, more strange is the ability to "sense" things.
keep on trying to induce OBE, i guarantee you it will happen.
Inferfire 2 years ago
Every one has astral projections at some point in time. The thing is that most people dont remember them becus if u move while waking up u agitate your soul and u forget what you were dreaming.Astral projections are Dreams. Most people only remember the ending of there dreams bcus thats when ther mind(consciousness) tell them ther are about to wake up.
5micRecords 2 years ago
she can come stroke my back anyday :)
DragonPimpKing 2 years ago 14
@DragonPimpKing i rather she stroke my front :)
xrbecx 1 year ago
I think this is really cool because i think its all true and im kinda weird like that but im only 11 and im into stuff like this
honeybeesplz 2 years ago
They are wrong to label this an "Out of Body Experience' because there is already a completely unrelated phenomenon which carries that label. This is nothing like an "Out of Body Experience".
Essanach 2 years ago 5
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This proves everything!!! I new it was all fake, people are charlatans trying to con the system into believing this.
mysticpiggy 2 years ago
To an extent, these experiments are to out of body experiences as a flight simulator is to flying an actual aircraft.
anewpersonalparadigm 2 years ago 4
Ok, this may sound weird but I remember some of this experience you call, dunno when, where or when it came from but it seems I remember it from the beggining of my life. I remember I was just like floating somewhere in a corner watching someone laying down in a bed, I think it was in a hospital, the other people tried to resuscitate that guy, everything was blurry and weird. I just keep remembering it all the time. Maybe it was a dream, but what have it caused?, I havent been in that situation.
al3x440 2 years ago
People have these OBEs far beyond hospital rooms. It is a very tangible experience, but not something that empirical science can explore just yet.
anewpersonalparadigm 2 years ago 4
I agree
stormwolf800 2 years ago
@anewpersonalparadigm If they were willing to learn to astral project... and try to document scientifically their own experiences... that would have weight depending on who did it. But of course people think that projection isn't for everyone... but its just like learning anything else
getupanddosomething 2 years ago
I agree, and there are organizations like the International Academy of Consciousness, and the IIPC/CEAEC in Brazil, that are studying multidimensionality and developing a scientific infrastructure to further explore these other realms of manifestation...
Ultimately though, these experiences will verify the nature of consciousness on a personal level. I doubt that even the most conclusive empirical evidence will have as much of an impression on people as the actual experience of an OBE would...
anewpersonalparadigm 2 years ago
@al3x440 What causes any of your dreams, other than your mind dealing with some issues? Dreams are dreams, and the brain have them for a biological reason.
We are by nature overtly pattern- and intention seeking, but if you busy your mind with trying to find intention or purpose where it doesn't belong, your mind is just going to wander around in circles without getting anywhere.
balkan2k 11 months ago
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This is the biggest evidence. That we shape our realities. And we are in a slave system that Lucifer put us upon.
Leny1777 2 years ago
they should stroke something else..
jooooooeee 2 years ago
how the fuck can you induce an out of body experience??
666Desolate999 2 years ago
check out "hemi sync sounds"
SpiritMolecule1 2 years ago
Thank you for your guidence
666Desolate999 2 years ago
you are welcome
SpiritMolecule1 2 years ago
There's several ways to induce out of body experiences. Mostly, before you go to sleep you need to relax and focus on controlling your breathing.
The main way to get into an Obe, is to feel nothing, no smells, no sound, no sight, nothing before you fall asleep.
Just float in the darkness and relax. Strange things will begin to happen after that point. You will feel sensation like floating on water, might hear sharp noises, loud static, whispers.
Its important to relax, or else it wont work.
Inferfire 2 years ago
Another way to get into an OBE is to constantly check if your awake. You can do this by putting a small sign on your hand, then check it constantly. If its not there, you are dreaming.
From this state of lucid dreaming (when you realize you are in a dream). You can project yourself out of your body. This is a less reliable method, since you might just be having another dream instead of an OBE.
One of the best methods is to fall asleep relaxed staring at a dim light, like a candle.
Inferfire 2 years ago
science will always be limited and flawed without the exceptens of the "supernatural"
anisblond 2 years ago 3
this seems soo cool, but i hope it doesnt mess up your coordination in the real world
millionairejh 2 years ago
You can induce out of body experiences through taking drugs or trans-cranial magnetic stimulation of certain brain areas. Or if you train yourself at lucid dreaming. Anyone can experience them. Conciousness\perception is what parts of the brain are currently active and how they are communicating with each other. Mind and brain are the same thing, it is physical, and one does not "cause" the other.
penguicold 2 years ago
When I was 20 I had a dream that I was at my aunts house. I was talking to her and then I felt extremely weak and felt like I was fading fast. I collapsed on the floor and everything went black and my aunt screamed * somebody call 911!*
I found out the next day that my uncle had died that night.
I had no prior knoweldge that he was in bad health of any kind and I barely ever saw him except at thanksgiving and family birthdays.
Concidence/hallucination/illusion my ass.
LifeAlteringQuestion 2 years ago 3
this doesn't disprove the phenomenon, it just shed lights on an illusion. You have other factors of typical OBEs that this doesn't and cannot address.
McdonaldSpecial 2 years ago
human psychology is some sick shit
fornss 2 years ago
just an optical illusion tricking the brain. BS
mbundakji2009 2 years ago
they said their tricking the brain you fucking beaner watch the whole video or shut the fuck up.
IFartOnFatKids 2 years ago
true
CocodriloNYC 2 years ago
just take sum dxm haah
FREEETK 2 years ago