Great video, but the yellow light measurement is the steady yellow time which does not include any red indication or warm up, cool down or two signals on at the same time. The Chicago yellow shown I measured at less than 3 seconds.
Maybe the speed zone has something to do with it? In the City, the speed limit is 35, in the Burbs, the speed limit is 40... If you're going faster in one zone, you're going to need a little more time to slow down and stop, so are they giving you more time to stop where the speeds are 40 vs.35? Just a thought.
@hancock06 Because some cops and courts believe "yellow" means "stop" when in basic driving school, it still means you can go with caution (sometimes it's called "yield" although that doesn't make sense). Some cops also will ticket you for failing to make a complete stop at a "yield," when in fact, "yield" doesn't mean "stop" as in the standard red stop sign, "stop." Traffic laws are there to protect but are also abused by those that are supposed to enforce it.
Npx190; please clarify your comment and I will be glad to respond. My point is Federal law requires the absolute minimum of 3 seconds of steady yellow time. Chicago does not have a process for field testing the actual yellow light phase.
@robopaladin: Of course the city had RL enforcement before RLCs, but the issue is not whether the 3 second time has always helped generate $ (I agree that it can) but whether the times are shorter now than they were in the pre-RLC era. This video doesn't prove that they are. BTW, people run red lights in the burbs when the yellows are longer too. The yellow length is a red herring, because it only matters if it's unexpected. So except for infrequent visitors, yellow length is a BS complaint.
You want bull shit, the other day I was somewhere, the signal's green and yellow arrow came on exact same time as yellow arrow, basically there was no time for right turn, no camera was there, however I have seen this on the side lines, there is a highway, 50mph, cars are only 10ft away, not enough time to stop OR obey your Neuro Typical laws, stop, and cause a multi-rear end car accident, fucking up traffic. Jknecht, your a hero for telling it like it is.
@always805: if entered before the red, their suppose to be okay, suppose to be. If they were unfortunate to cross the white line after the red, they are fucked by some NeuroTypical fine. As much as State of ILL is corrupt, other places can be worse. However, I find it hard to believe some NeuroTypical giving a shit either way in the courts. Only one town in IL, won't say was able to take action, overhaul and kick those out, maybe the mob is not so bad after all?
Video forensic analysis proves city traffic engineers time syncronize cameras improperly. They trigger the instant the light starts to change and do not allow the the traffic signals to illuminate steadily according to IL state law. The videos also are not clear and have many corrupted video frames which is exhibited by cross traffic appearing to "jump" across the screen.
In this particular video at 71st and Pulaski, (as opposed to Cass and Plainfield) it is posted with a 35 MPH speed limit, drivers get 3.0 seconds of yellow at that intersection.
City citations give drivers 3.0 seconds of yellow. Published city policy is that posted 35MPH street traffic signals are required to give drivers 4.0 seconds of yellow time. People don’t know, people pay…
@MrBFagel: the problem is you have to come with some sort of proof usually, otherwise, even with people on patrol instead of cameras, they will just say who they pulled was making an excuse.
This doesn't prove what you say, because chicago had 3 second yellows long before they had RLCs. What you need to show is two lights, same jurisdiction, with and without, to see if they are shorter. Most suburbs have longer yellows than Chicago, which has the shortest allowable yellow time under Illinois law.
@icebox766 In addition, the Chicago street ran at 35 MPH, whereas the other one ran at 40, so naturally the yellow length would be longer on the faster road. Snore.
@icebox766 "chicago had 3 second yellows long before they had RLCs" Chicago also had old-fashioned red light tickets before they had red light cameras. Cameras took that existing red light ticket income and used technology to take it to a much larger scale.
Great video, but the yellow light measurement is the steady yellow time which does not include any red indication or warm up, cool down or two signals on at the same time. The Chicago yellow shown I measured at less than 3 seconds.
MrBFagel 1 week ago
Maybe the speed zone has something to do with it? In the City, the speed limit is 35, in the Burbs, the speed limit is 40... If you're going faster in one zone, you're going to need a little more time to slow down and stop, so are they giving you more time to stop where the speeds are 40 vs.35? Just a thought.
JeepGuy80 1 month ago
Red light cameras are ATMs for municipalities. The problem in this country is that we license far too many people that are incompetent to drive.
oilhammer04 2 months ago
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Tusktanium 4 months ago
@hancock06 Because some cops and courts believe "yellow" means "stop" when in basic driving school, it still means you can go with caution (sometimes it's called "yield" although that doesn't make sense). Some cops also will ticket you for failing to make a complete stop at a "yield," when in fact, "yield" doesn't mean "stop" as in the standard red stop sign, "stop." Traffic laws are there to protect but are also abused by those that are supposed to enforce it.
PandaBoy7 7 months ago
Npx190; please clarify your comment and I will be glad to respond. My point is Federal law requires the absolute minimum of 3 seconds of steady yellow time. Chicago does not have a process for field testing the actual yellow light phase.
MrBFagel 1 year ago
@MrBFagel There are plenty of lights that I know of where the green light times are half that of yellows. What does the Fed Law state about them?
colklink70 5 months ago
@robopaladin: Of course the city had RL enforcement before RLCs, but the issue is not whether the 3 second time has always helped generate $ (I agree that it can) but whether the times are shorter now than they were in the pre-RLC era. This video doesn't prove that they are. BTW, people run red lights in the burbs when the yellows are longer too. The yellow length is a red herring, because it only matters if it's unexpected. So except for infrequent visitors, yellow length is a BS complaint.
icebox766 1 year ago
You want bull shit, the other day I was somewhere, the signal's green and yellow arrow came on exact same time as yellow arrow, basically there was no time for right turn, no camera was there, however I have seen this on the side lines, there is a highway, 50mph, cars are only 10ft away, not enough time to stop OR obey your Neuro Typical laws, stop, and cause a multi-rear end car accident, fucking up traffic. Jknecht, your a hero for telling it like it is.
npx190 1 year ago
so did both cars get tickets? or only the car that drove when the light was right? b/c the camera flashed twice...
always805 1 year ago
@always805: if entered before the red, their suppose to be okay, suppose to be. If they were unfortunate to cross the white line after the red, they are fucked by some NeuroTypical fine. As much as State of ILL is corrupt, other places can be worse. However, I find it hard to believe some NeuroTypical giving a shit either way in the courts. Only one town in IL, won't say was able to take action, overhaul and kick those out, maybe the mob is not so bad after all?
npx190 1 year ago
Video forensic analysis proves city traffic engineers time syncronize cameras improperly. They trigger the instant the light starts to change and do not allow the the traffic signals to illuminate steadily according to IL state law. The videos also are not clear and have many corrupted video frames which is exhibited by cross traffic appearing to "jump" across the screen.
MrBFagel 1 year ago
In this particular video at 71st and Pulaski, (as opposed to Cass and Plainfield) it is posted with a 35 MPH speed limit, drivers get 3.0 seconds of yellow at that intersection.
City citations give drivers 3.0 seconds of yellow. Published city policy is that posted 35MPH street traffic signals are required to give drivers 4.0 seconds of yellow time. People don’t know, people pay…
MrBFagel 1 year ago
@MrBFagel: the problem is you have to come with some sort of proof usually, otherwise, even with people on patrol instead of cameras, they will just say who they pulled was making an excuse.
npx190 1 year ago
This doesn't prove what you say, because chicago had 3 second yellows long before they had RLCs. What you need to show is two lights, same jurisdiction, with and without, to see if they are shorter. Most suburbs have longer yellows than Chicago, which has the shortest allowable yellow time under Illinois law.
icebox766 1 year ago
@icebox766 In addition, the Chicago street ran at 35 MPH, whereas the other one ran at 40, so naturally the yellow length would be longer on the faster road. Snore.
OfficerNelson 1 year ago
@icebox766 "chicago had 3 second yellows long before they had RLCs" Chicago also had old-fashioned red light tickets before they had red light cameras. Cameras took that existing red light ticket income and used technology to take it to a much larger scale.
robopaladin 1 year ago
Red Light Cams are a scam
Everywhere
No more than in San Diego or Chicago
Glad my city doesn't have them
JKVIRALNETWORK 1 year ago
Casimir Pulaski was a Polish-born hero of the American Revolultionary War, and he is remembered each March by the Polish community of Chicago.
Honor his revolutionary spirit by driving up and down Pulaski Ave and racking up a bunch of Red Light Tickets.
JKnecht 2 years ago 2
@JKnecht
lol
SecularTechnology 1 year ago