Issa (Jesus) will be the Imam Mahdi - Abu Aammar Yasir Qadhi quoting Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad

[CivilEngineer101]

This person who posted this is a lier, he edited this to make it sound as it does i listen to the whole lecture, he does not say Jesus pbuh is the mahdi.

[Quetta44]

@CivilEngineer101 : Our beloved Prophet (saw) had declared that Mullahs belonging to 72 DEVIANT SECTS will be Hell bound. These are your Mullahs who are liars. The Hadith he is quoting clearly says that "Soon Jesus will descend among you as IMAM MAHDI". There is another Hadith which says "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA". IBn-e-Majjah

So these are Mullahs belonging to 72 sects who r liar & hell bound. PROOF {watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4}

[turkmuslim4ever]

imam mahdi is not isa... dont twist the truth

[Quetta44]

@turkmuslim4ever : Brother it was our beloved Prophet (saw) who himself has clarified that

THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA (Re. Ibn-e-Maja)

Jews were/are also WAITING 4 the return of an old Prophet Elijah. But it was Issa (as) himself who gave the VERDICT that once gone from this world people NEVER Return rather other come after their name. Ref. Math 17:10-13 {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}

Isn't true that Prophet (saw) warned that 72 sects of Muslims r going to repeat the mistakes of Israelite?

[turkmuslim4ever]

@Quetta44 brother he p.a.b.b.u.h. said my ummah is going to devide like jews devide in to 71 sects christians in to 72 and my ummah will devide in to 73 only 1 will make it to haven(Allah knows best tho) and those are the ones who do which me and my ashab do(witch is mucadele jihat etc insAllah)

[Quetta44]

@turkmuslim4ever : Brother Jihad of Sword is ONLY allowed when

1) First believers r attached

2) They r wronged without any fault

3) They r expelled out of their homes

4) THE REASON FOR ALL 1,2 & 3 above is that THEY SAY ALLAH IS OUR LORD.

(Ref 22:39-40)

Prophet (saw) & his Sahabas were persecuted for reciting Kalima, offering 5 times prayers reading Quran. Today these r ONLY Ahmadi Muslims who r passing exactly similar situation

Proof {watch?v=XynKJMo9MIE} {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}

[turkmuslim4ever]

@Quetta44 bro first of all, all praise to Allah its great that you pray 5 times a day and have these difficulties if there was no difficultie :) you couldnd be a muslim because you know muslims suffer right because Allahs reward is expensive Allahs reward is paradise... there is a big difference between imam mehdi and hz isa... the mahdi will be of the sons of hz fatima and from our prophet(bloodline)... hz isa aleyhiselam had come before right so i do believe your a muslim but he is no mahdi;)

[Quetta44]

@turkmuslim4ever : Didn't Prophet (saw) know that there is a difference between Issa & Imam Mahdi? Then why he (saw) gave clear statement that "There will be No Mahdi Except Issa"?

[turkmuslim4ever]

@Quetta44 bro your being ignorant you know that isa aleyhiselam is a different person then the guy you are following... because you know imam mahdi will be of the bloodline of our prophet and there are details about him being described also the details of the son of hz meryem are given they are different persons, one of the signs that witch you will recognize isa a.s. is that he will take mud in his hand and by the help of Allah there will come a bird from his hand he is born a long time ago bro

[Quetta44]

@turkmuslim4ever : Brother, ONLY Allah Knows Best & Only He will tell on the Day of Judgment that who was ignorant.

As per Quran ISa (as) has died like other human beings. Thus the one who was to come after his name/title was 2 b from this ummah.

Jews r also insisting on Physical return of Elijah & they have rejected Jesus as well as Muhammad (saw) on this basis. Proof {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}

Didn't Prophet (saw) warned that 72 sects of Muslims were to commit EXACTLY same mistake as Jews did?

[heavenseeker5]

and let us hear all what said abu aamar yasir qadhi

[Quetta44]

@heavenseeker5 : Dear, Holy Quran present some verses of Bible for the Truth of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw). So, does it mean that now we MUST accept everything mentioned in Bible?

Isn't True that our Prophet (saw) foretold that 72 out of 73 sects will go astray? Didn't he (saw) foretold that Islam will b in Name ONLY & Mullahs belonging to these 72 deviated sects will be WORST CREATURE on Earth? Proof {watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4} by Dr. Israr Ahmad

[heavenseeker5]

@Quetta44 1/. we must take just the quran, because it contains all we need, so from the start we don't take our sources from someone who isn't "sure" and knows about what he talks about.

2/. this not the case of this sheikh. You're doing exactly like this : taking just a part of a verse and letting the rest, so you can change the context--> changing then the meaning. put the entire speech of the sheikh then...

[Quetta44]

@heavenseeker5 : Br. Holy Quran presents some verses of Bible for the Truth of our Beloved Prophet (saw) - BUT it doesn't mean that now we have to accept each & every word of Bible. Similarly, I have presented the Hadith of sasnad-e-Ahmad in Mullah's voice clearly saying that "soon u will meet Issa as Imam Mahdi". It doesn't mean that I am bound to accept Mullah's interpretation of this Hadith as well.

Ibn-e-Majjah also says "THERE WILL B NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA".

[heavenseeker5]

@Quetta44 3/. about the sect's I'm with you, but ahmadia is one of them. because no dalil in the quran+sunna+jamaa

[Quetta44]

@heavenseeker5 : Alhamdulillah we are ONE vs 72 as foretold by our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw). Allah's act (Sunnah) has also separated us at the hands of Mullahs belonging to all the 72 sects. Prophet (saw) didn't merely foretold about 73 sects but also he (saw) told the signs of ONE True Muslim group as its resemblance with him & his Sahabas. Today Ahmadis r being persecuted like Sahabas for reading Quran, offering 5 times daily prayers Proof {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}

[heavenseeker5]

@Quetta44 If you're honest put the rest of my commentaries please. If not, it proves you don't have any solid sources to base upon, and from this you should think about it carefully.

The Prophet brother had let us two things, with which you will never go astray : the Quran and Sunna. And he also taught us to never go out of the jamaa, for like he said in an authentic hadith : " Allah will never let my Ummah agree upon misguidance ", and the jamaa also doesnt agree with ahmadia and co... so ?...

[Quetta44]

@heavenseeker5 : Br. Holy Quran presents some verses of Bible for the Truth of our Beloved Prophet (saw) - BUT it doesn't mean that now we have to accept each & every word of Bible. Similarly, I have presented the Hadith of sasnad-e-Ahmad in Mullah's voice clearly saying that "soon u will meet Issa as Imam Mahdi". It doesn't mean that I am bound to accept Mullah's interpretation of this Hadith as well.

Ibn-e-Majjah also says "THERE WILL B NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA".

[heavenseeker5]

1/. Only hadiths of boukhary are really 100% authentics, sunan madjah, rahimahu Allah, arent.

2/. the hadith quoted, "madhiyane" doesnt mean he is the mahdi, anyone rightly guided is someone mahdiyane...

May Allah guide the deviant sects of ahmadya and co...

[Quetta44]

@heavenseeker5 : Bukhari Clearly tells us that the Issa/Messiah whom Prophet of Allah saw along-with all the PASSED AWAY Prophets of the Past is DIFFERENT from the Issa/Messiah who was to come at the time when Mullahs were to divide Islam into 72 sects & was to made it a symbol of terrorism. In multiple Ahadfith of Bukhari the complexion of Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw with ALL THE PASSED AWAY PROPHETS is mentioned as Redish white while the complexion of issa 2 come is mentioned as wheat like.

[finaltrueislam]

تمام فرقہ کے علماء نے تحریری طور پر دستخط کر کے ۔ کیاآنحضرتؐ کے فیصلہ کی توہین نہیں کی۔ اس فیصلہ کے دن سے خدا تعالیٰ کاپاکستان سے پیار کا سلوک ہے یا سخت ناراضگی کا

۔یہ سوال دردِ دل رکھنے والے ہر پاکستانی سے ہے نہ کہ جاہل سے۔

آنحضرتؐ نے فرمایا :۔ 72 فرقے جہنمی(کافر) اور ایک ناجی ۔

1974 کی اسمبلی پاکستان (بشمول علماء تمام فرقہ)کا فیصلہ:۔72 ناجی(جنتی) اور ایک جہنمی (کافر)

[zindaIslam]

salam.

Mashallah, may Allah bless him for being truthful. same person with 2 titles Messiah and mahdi. This is what islam e ahmadiyyat being telling with one. this is what Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian Clain to be. Mahdi and messiah. Live Long Ahmadiyyat

[guidedfox]

Ok so imam mahdi is isa (a.s) cause I was thinking about what many christians are saying about imam mahdi and the dajjal, whatever it is may allah guide us to the truth and if we are the people of the time of isa (a.s) may allah give us strength and courage to speak his will ameen.

[guidedfox]

brother I have a few questions thats bugging me, did the prophet (s.a.w) say his fathers name will be as mine his mothers name as mine. Is there a hadith isa (a.s) will read his prayer behind the imam. one more thing did he say he would be from my family

[Quetta44]

@guidedfox : Yes, Prophet did say so. But remember that Prophecies always contain metaphors. If we take them as literal then there become to much contradiction among the Prophecies.

Because in ONE hadith of sahah Muslim, it is said that on his descend Issa/Jesus will offer Prayers Bhind Imam Mahdi. while in another Hadith os Same book i.e Sahaih Muslim it is said that on his descend Issa (as) will lead the prayers while Imam Mahdi will follow him.

[Quetta44]

@guidedfox : As I told you that Prophecies contains Metaphors & usually do not fulfill literally. In One Hadith it is Said that Imam Mahdi Will be from Prophet's family while another Hadith tells us that Prophet (saw) said that SALAMAN FARSI is from my Family whereas he was Persia having no blood relation with Prophet (saw). Due his love & obedience Prophet (saw) included him as Family member.

[kamaaladiin]

I agree no mahdi except Issa, stop dreaming my fellow brothers.. 5 stars

[crazybones2040]

"describing as a mahdi"...

not THE Mahdi....

there is a difference...

ps: very sad how you misquoted the good shykh yassir...

if anyone has heard the full series you will find he was first explaining the linguistical meaning of "mahdi" and how it was applied lingusticaly...

the series you be on youtube...

so sorry mate, bad luck....

:-p

[Quetta44]

The Hadith of "Musnad-e-Ahmad" quoted by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi CLEARLY SAYS "Soon you willmeet Issa as THE IMAM MAHDI" It doesn't says simply mahdi rather it says "IMAM MAHDI".

This is further confirmed by Sunan-Ibn-e-Majja which says "There will be NO Mahdi Except Issa".

Dear, one one hand there is Sheikh who says that in Musnad-e-Ahmad the term Mahdi is used in linguistical meaning whereas on the other hand Prophet (saw) tells us the "There will be NO Mahdi Except Issa" Whom should we follow?

[Victortrotska]

What do you say about hadiths where Mohamed (AS) said the Imam Al Mahdi will be one of his descendant?

[Quetta44]

Victortrotska: Muhammad (saw) termed Hadhrat Salman Farsee as ONE FROM HIS FAMILY whereas he had no blood relation with his family. It proves that True descendants of Prophets are those who follow them TRULY.

This fact is also confirmed by Quran where Allah eliminated the SON of Nooh (as) being from his family.

[Victortrotska]

All authentic hadith say the Imam Al Mahdi will come from his own blood, his own daughter.

Also numerous sources say the Imam Al Mahdi will be arabic, not persian or caucasian or else.

Mohamed (AS) even left a tooth and hairs! to me he did so DNA tests could be done to confirm the Imam Al Mahdi is from his progeny. Why else would he have left those?

Also what about hadith that say the Imam Al Mahdi will be asked by Jesus to lead the prayer?

Are they all wrong and this one right? Why?

[Quetta44]

Victortrotska : When Surah Jumah was revealed then Sahaba asked Prophet (saw) that who are those "Akhareen" mentioned in it? The Prophet (saw) put his hand on the shoulder of Hadhrat Salman Farsee & said "A time will come when FAITH will ascend to star. At that time a man from his nation will retrieve it on the earth" Bukhari

Dear, we believe in all hadith BUT reconcile them in such a way that there must not remain any contradiction between them.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 what they simply do is accepting a text or rejecting it according to

their own desires and lust and agendas

it istrue that there are some complicated texts that have been recorded . but here again u cant interpretate it on your own without

consulting the sayings of the previous and actual reliable scholars

who have studied those complexed texts to the point.

and when i say scholars i say reliable not government scholars

and al hamdulilah we have so may reliable scholars

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[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Our Holy Prophet (saw) had referred the scholars of this era as WORST CREATURES ON EARTH (Ref. Mishkat} & for you they are reliable. It is upto you either to accept & follow the Mahdi & Messiah sent by Allah of WORST CREATURES i.e MULLAHS.

Alhamdo-Lillah we have recognized & accepted the Mahdi & Messiah sent by Allah. Who has explained Quran & sunnah through revelations he received directly from Allah.

[Quetta44]

Victortrotska: There r two Ahadith in Sahah Muslim. One says that Just after the descend Mahdi will lead the prayers because Jesus will refuse to do so on the request of Mahdi. While another Hadith of same book says that just after his descend Jesus will LEAD the prayers on the request of Mahdi.

Brother, these r Mullahs who accept one of these Hadith while reject the other. Whereas we accept both because they indicate two status of Jesus - one as a lead & other a follower of Muhammad.

[crazybones2040]

@Quetta44

references please?

[Quetta44]

@crazybones2040 : Sahaih Muslim Book 041, Number 6924 says that Jesus (as) will lead the prayers just after his descend. While Sahaih Muslim Book 001, Number 0293 says that Jesus (as) will b asked 2 lead prayers on his descend but he will request Imam Mahdi 2 lead & thus he will lead the prayers.

Prophecies regarding future events are usually fulfilled in metaphoric manner as told by Quran. Thus it proves that the above 2 Ahadith can NEVER fulfilled literally because one contradicts the other

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 brother or sister :

first of all the hadith says that imam mahdi will lead the prayer

and jesus will pray before him

imam mahdi is not issa bro wht r u saying???

and he is gonna be arab

because prophet mohamed says he is gonna be from his genetic descendance

salman al farsee is not ahloo al bayt he was a dear companion to the prophet

wht r u saying man

?????

really.

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Remember that Allah tells us in Quran that He usually inform about future events through dreams/visions & said dreams/visions are NOT fulfilled LITERALLY. One hadith of Muslim says that on descend Jesus (as) will offer prayers behind Imam Mahdi while another hadith of same Sahaih Muslim says that Issa will lead the prayers.

In Ibn-e-Majja the Prophet (saw) had categorically told us that "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa".

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 that is not true

there isnt a single hadith in ibn amja where prophet mohamed

says imam mahdi is issa whts wrong with u ????

if there is than give me the reference so we can check

and yet the prophet said clearly he is gonna be arab

and from his descendance .

unless you r shia ths a different story

shia follow their own desires in accepting or rejecting a hadith

and they r banned from islam

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : The Hadith of Ibn-eMajja saying that "there will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT ISSA" is in "Kitabul-Fitan". In addition to this in Masnad-e-Ahmad there is another Hadith saying "soon you will meet Issa as IMAM MAHDI" This Hadith is referred by a non-Ahmadi Mullah even in this very video.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 salamu alaykum i dont know but it seems to me you r mot arab the hadith that says issa is a imam mahdi means he is gonna be guided leader not THE guided leader besides all the hadiths with strong chain of transmission that confirms that mahdi will be a diciple of issa wht do u do with them ???? and last brother all the scholars of islam at least in sunna they all agree that mahdi is a different person we always knew this

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Brother, the Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad says Issa will come as THE MAHDI i.e Al-Mahdi & not simply Mahdi. There is another Hadith in Ibn-e-Majja which categorically tells us that "There will be NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA".

The Ahadith indicating Mahdi & Issa (as) as two different persons means to indicate the two different missions of the Promised one.

Remember! that usually Allah tells about future events through visions & such visions are not fulfilled literally as told by Quran.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 amazing u r insisting on issa being the mahdi

first there is no scholar that says that issa is the mahdi

second the hadiths with reliable chain of report that we have

that says the prophet mohamed himself said he is gonna be

of his progeny

and not only that : the mahdi father will have the same name as his father

and the mahdi name himself will be mohamed name

the mahdi is simply mohamed ibn abdillah

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful: Can you refer any verse of Quran which says that Allah always tells about future events exactly the way it was to happen? I told you that Quran tells that usually Allah tells about future events through visions & ALL SUCH VISIONS ARE FULFILLED IN METAPHORIC MANNER & NOT LITERALLY.

Do you know that a Claimant of Mahdi LITERALLY Fulfilling the requirements you mentioned had already appeared & MULLAHS KILLED HIM instead of accepting him? For Proof {watch?v=yD0ZUeMHKU8}

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 again u fall in another trap.

first of all only real scholars who really have sutied the shari3a

have the right to make assumption from the teachings of islam

wheter it would be the koran or sunna

wht u r doing here is exacltly wht the christians r doing

making assumptions from texts without any understanding it

to fill their own disires.

and agian i repeat there isnt a single scholar who said the MAHDI is issa

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Dear, If you are satisfied with Mullah's Brand of Islam then goahead & continue to follow them. As far as i am concerned; Although I was born in sunni Muslim Family but I was NEVER satisfied with fairy Tale Like religion in which Human Prophet Flew to Allah & is living there for 2000+ years without taking food & that he will come again flying down from sky & will marry a girl of 20+ years at the age of 2000+ years etc. etc.

For you is your understanding of Islam & for me mine.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 first of all i dont wht the word mulah means

im an arab and i dont really know wht it means

now when i say to make assumptions on your own without

studying the question just because u wanna proove something

u just felt in the real bid3a.

now all the texts that we have whether from the koran or sunna

they have been already understood and studied to the point

by the AL SALAF ASALIH.

the real scholars who devouted their life to the subject of islam

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Mullahs are so-called Islamic scholars of this era about whom our beloved Prophet (saw) had said that "They will be the WORST CREATURES ON EARTH - All the evil will be emerged from them". {Ref. Mishkat Kitabul Ilm}

Dear, today real Islam is as revived by the Imam Mahdi & Promised Messiah (as) sent by Allah. Otherwise all the Mullahs belonging to 72 hell bound sects (as termed by our Prophet 'saw') are following Biddah.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 especially that most of the ahadiths have been already discussed

to indentify the chain of report as well as its reliability with the koran

everything has been already organised by those scholars with what we call as al 3ilmou a shar3i.

or in english is the science of indentification of the texts whether they r reliable

to prophet mohamed or not.

now u say u dont believe in the shari3a then u are a shi3a if i understand well

u told me before ure not shi3a.

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : If everything is been rightly understood then what is the need of Imam Mahdi & Promised Messiah? Our beloved Prophet (saw) said ""A time will come when nothing will remain of Islam except its name and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be full but void of guidance. Their divines (Mullahs) will be the worst creatures under the sky; all the evil will be emerged from them and will revert to them."

Mishkat Kitabul Ilm

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 again let me remind u.

anyone who does not believe in abu-bakr aisha omar

othman and ali so tell me wht does he believe in?????

all the texts of islam that we have today as well as the understanding

of very critical and complicated ones have already been discussed

and clarified by the famous scholars of the history of islam

u said something abt issa having 2000 years

first of all if u really believe in allah u know he has power over all things

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : I believe in that ALL-MIGHTY Allah Who doesn't need to run away with His Prophet abandoning his mission due to the fear that Jews may not Kill him. Allah is ALL-Mighty & ALL-MIGHTY Must remain in battle field with his Prophet & save him from his enemies till his mission is completed.

Allah saved Issa (as) from Jews keeping his in this very world & after wards he traveled to Kashmir to convey his message to reaming 10 tribes of Israelite.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 secondly there is no such thing as time and space

in the akhira or in heaven this is an impossible truth to conceive

wht is above space and time????? nobody will ever be able

to answer that question with the limits of our brains understanding

as for u have your own understanding of islam and u dont believe in fary tales

first of all wht is fary tale??

u call a teaching of prophet muhamed a fairy tale?

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the greatest of all human & all Prophets. He never said anything illogical. But Remember that Quran tells us that usually Allah inform about future events through visions & all such visions r fulfilled metaphorically & not literally. These are Mullahs who are making saying of our Beloved Prophets fairy tales because they take Prophecies too literally whereas Prophecies usually contains metaphors.

[hajjajful]

@Quetta44 that is not true

there isnt a single hadith in ibn amja where prophet mohamed

says imam mahdi is issa whts wrong with u ????

if there is than give me the reference so we can check

and yet the prophet said clearly he is gonna be arab

and from his descendance .

unless you r shia ths a different story

shia follow their own desires in accepting or rejecting a hadith

and they r banned from islam

[Quetta44]

@hajjajful : I am NOT a Shia. I am a converted Ahmadi Muslim - alhamdo-Lillah.

[islamiminaar]

jazakAllah

[SingaAbdullah]

Alhamdulillah

Quetta44. WOW!!! That why we are running in circle. You do have a bait there.

I honestly thank you for your good respond. We are as apart as Earth and Sky.

You are a resonable and logical person but WOW your 1,2,3 is WOW!

Please, wind back to the begining to the roots of your belif. May Allah guide you and I can call you my brother again.

Friend we are indeed. Salam.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Brother, we MUST not think ourselves as Allah - the Final Judge; taking ourselves as absolutely right & others as wrong. Rather, we MUST pray that "May Allah guide us all to the Right Path" & NOT "May Allah Guide you". It is Allah Who knows the best who is on the path of guidance & who still needs it. Thus we MUST be humble while praying to Allah.

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta44.You almost have it right here.We gone trough this 'root' discussion and forgive me if I am had been offensive.Some issue you will agree some not.

My brothers and I does have our disagreements but our Root/Akidah/Tauhid is the same.

For you my friend,your (root) shahadah is off the track from us.

In many countries Ahmadi Sect are rejected from the fold of Islam. For me you are still a friend indeed. Salam.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Brother My Shahadah is

لا اله الا الله محمد رسول اللہ . Is it different from yours? I don't think so. My brother, it is totally false propaganda of Anti-Ahmadiyya Mullahs that Ahmadiyya Muslim Shahadah is different. Brother, we believe & practice all 5 fundamentals of Islam. The only difference between us & other Muslim sects is that we believe that Issa (as) had died & the one who was to come was to to from among the Ummah.

[Quetta44]

The other difference is that we believe that Allah tell about the future events usually through dreams & vision & such visions are required to to interpreted & usually do not fulfill literally. {As proved from Quran, specially in context of Prophet Yousuf (as)}. Thus we believe that with Mahdi & Messiah things was to change gradually & slowly as it happened mostly in the past (Specially after the coming of Previous Messiah).

[Quetta44]

Whereas other Muslims believe that with Messiah entire world will become pious Muslim within NO time & then Allah will destroy World by bringing Quyamah. But v take things as rational & believe that with Messiah gradually True & Peaceful Islam will become victorious & majority will accept it. Then slowly things will go wrong once again - and when the world reaches the ever WORST level only then Allah will destroy it by bringing Qiyamah. In the Hadith Prophet (saw) had clearly indicated this.

[Quetta44]

Dear Brother, your statement regarding difference in our "Shahadah" really hurt me. I was NOT expecting such baseless & totally FALSE allegation from a person like you. (Although such lies are habit of Mullahs). Brother, we recite Shahada لا اله الا الله محمد رسول اللہ And Ash-hadu anla ilaha illal-Lahu Wahdahu la Sharika Lahu wa-ash-hadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu. But the Mullahs atribute totally false allegations against us

[SingaAbdullah]

Qetta44. Whenever there is an innovation regards to Ibadah and Akidah formost- It is right for any Muslim to reject such claims. For this time I am not going to run in circle with you dear friend. I need to establish between Truth and Falsehood in contact of whatever much Ilmu I have learned. Akidah is first I stand for and that was the first dakwa taught By Muhammad Bin Abdullah who lived 1400 year ago.

I do not put akidah on Mullah wisdom and mistakes, their alligation is theirs.Salam

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Dear Brother, first you said that our Shahadah is different. Now you are saying that we have made innovations in faith. The Mahdi & Messiah in Islam has NOT made an iota of innovations in ISLAM. Rather, he was appointed by Allah in order to removed all the innovations taken place in Islam during last 1,400 years. Exactly, like the previous Messiah removed the innovations taken place in Judaism. But it is sad that like the Previous Messiah he is also alleged to made innovations.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: It is so sad that Mullahs belonging to 72 sects (i.e group of numerous sects) are alleging the ONE sect to be on wrong path. Whereas Muhammad (saw) had given JUST the opposite verdict. Speaking of split he (saw) clearly termed the 72 sects as Hell -Bound (i.e on wrong Path - with many innovations in Islam) & the ONLY ONE on the Right Path (i.e. On Islam of the time of Muhammad saw).

[SingaAbdullah]

This is a questionable statement again on Akidah my friend. I really do not enjoy to check mate you.

How could you know you are right when other are wrong at the same time. Allah definetly will be the final Judge. But we are given the Akal and examples to follow.

Who are we to seek shafat in Akhirat?

The Mahsum is only Muhammad s.a.w The 10 promised for Jannah has thier tiket. Our beloved Mullah and Sheiks have their own scores to settle. I live with this deen exampled by Muhammad s.a.w

[Quetta44]

Abdullah: U said "V r given Akal" BUT at the same time reluctant 2 use it 2 find the TRUTH about Ahmadiyya. On 1 hand you repeated the FALSE allegations of Mullahs about Islam-Ahmadiyya regarding our Shahadah & Aqeedah & on the other hand u r NOT interested to find facts about it.

On one hand u feel the belief of Non-Ahmadis about Mahdi & Messiah & about how things r going 2 happen at that time as illogical. And on the other hand u r ignoring very rational understanding of ours in this regard

[imranraufaziz]

plz translate this video in urdu and upload it again for indo-pak's non ahmedi brothers

[aimtiaz8]

Jazakumullah Ahsanal Jaza brother

[Quetta44]

Abdullah:I has studied both sides & prayed to Allah a lot for guidance. After which I am certain that Ahmadiyya is the True Islam vs the 72 sects full of innovations. But at same time I know that Allah Knows the BEST & ONLY He is the Final Judge & it is He who will tell us on the "Day of Judgment that who was Right?" As He mention in al-Quran 5:48. Therefore despite being certain While praying to Allah I always consider my "Aqal" as nothing & request Him "TO GUIDE US ALL 2 the Right path".

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta44. With Allah permission Isa a.s brought back the dead. With Allah grace brought Isa a.s to Arash,that is the last we know from Quran regads to Isa a.s. Hadiths are questionable even from Sahih Bukhari or Muslim. Again I stress all alim will have their own theory. This three being is always tied down during Kiamat. Are we suppose to belive and sit and wait for this to happen. What if 'it' does not happen and Kiamat does and will happen. I belive more to strive my best during my life time.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah : Agreed that we MUST see what Quran says about Jesus (as) rather than Ahadith. Thus in 16:20-21 Allah says that All whom people call BESIDE Allah (as LORD) are DEAD NOT ALIVE. Now everyone knows that Jesus (as) is on the top of list whom people call beside Allah. So, how could he be alive despite been called Lord beside Allah??

[SingaAbdullah]

First ,I will never call Isa a.s 'lord'.

Being raise to Arash does not mean to be with Allah. If does happen what is wrong with that. I do not know, it is beyond my comprehension either Isa is eating or not.

Isa comming back or not. Isa will be Mahadi or not. This is Rahib and all Rahib I leave that to Allah. Remember the story about a group of men being put to sleep in a cave by Allah's will and they wakes up in a different century. How this could happen? It is beyond our comprehension.

[Quetta44]

You don't call Issa as "LORD" but there r millions of Christians who call him as "LORD" beside Allah. Allah says that "ALL those who are called beside Him as 'LORD' are dead & not alive" so how could Issa be alive?

Quan clearly says that even the body of Prophets were not of the type which can survive without taking food. So how could Cave people's body survived without eating for centuries? Thus one has 2 believe that this verse is Allegorical otherwise there will become contradiction in Quran

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Quran clearly says that it contain firm as well as allegorical verses. If the verses which are against the established laws of nature & which create CONTRADICTION in Quranic statements (when taken literally) are not allegorical then which are the allegorical verses?

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: About the bodies of even the Prophets, Allah says that Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, 21:8. Then about Jesus (as) & his mother Allah says that they both used to eat food 5:75. So, if according to Quran the bodies of even the Prophets were not of the type that it can survive without taking food & Jesus as abounded eating food, then he is still physically alive?

Jews were also told about Elijah 2 return but Elijah did not return Rather John came under his title

[SingaAbdullah]

Qyetta44: We can end up bring in everyone else.

From sirah: Mariam ate in the most sacret room in the holies tample back then before Isa a.s was born. Understood that privilaged people are allowed in that room. She ate and was question,where and who gave her food. She simply reply that she 'asked' and found the food in that room.

Here I can simply say that is Allah's will kun faya kun.

Gabrail gave food and drinks to Mariam after her labour to Isa a.s with Allah permission.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Brother, Allah help His loved ones miraculously BUT HE does so by employing His own laws of nature to act in a way to assist His loved ones. When enemies were after our Prophet (saw) it was Allah Who put in the hearts of spiders to build a web on the mouth of the cave within a night.

Thus Allah managed food for Mariyam by putting in the hearts of His servants to go to her & gift her food.

Similarly, after labor Allah said Mariyam to move the date tree's branches & dates fell

[SingaAbdullah]

Bro. We are running circle.Let me clear myself and then you give your view.Insyallah we will get somewhere.

I dearly belive last from Quran Isa a.s was rised to Arash.

I dearly belive Muhammad s.a.w warned us of Fitnah Dajjal.

I do belive Mahadi is a character.

I could not digest all this 3 beings tied up near Qiamat and goes to mortal combat for our glory. Won and we then get back the glory of Islam and then world end.

END?Why END when the world is at peace?

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah:

1: I believe that Issa (as) has raised-up to Allah in spiritual sense i.e His status was raised. Because according to Quran raising to Allah or going to Allah is ALWAYS means attaining His nearness or returning of soul to Him.

2: I firmly believe that about the Mullahs belong to 72 sects of our time the Prophet (saw) had said that "They will be the WORST CREATURE under the sky".

3: I firmly believe that Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian is the same Mahdi & Messiah

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta. Alhamdulliah.

Now we are no longer running in circle.

Your first is questionalbe.

Your second is questionable "Prophet".

Your third is WOW! I didn't see that comming. Tell me where did Ahmad Qadiani died,accurately the room? No disrespect.

Friends we are.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah : Brother, in Quran Allah says that "There comes not a Messenger to them BUT they mock at him". Thus our opponent Mullahs follow exactly what their forefathers did & recorded by Quran as a continuous phenomenon.

Brother. Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian (as) died on his BED while remembering "ALLAH". This is the Truth. Whereas what Mullahs told is Absolute False.

[SingaAbdullah]

Alhamdulillah.

Salam Quetta44. We are no longer running in circle. Your 1,2,3 is WOW.

It is clear we are Earth and Sky apart. You may agree with me on some issue but then you run in circle.You put up this clip to gain influence and I knew that in the very begining from the title.Honestly I did not even see this clip.You are resonable, responsive and decent. But the problem here is not you.Problem is the root of your belives.

No disrespect.Where did Gulam Ahmad Qadiani died?

Salam.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Dear Brother, I was a Sunni Muslim by birth. I was not satisfied with many illogical concepts e.g Death Penalty for Apostates, Messiah & Mahdi changing the world through sword within no time & then ending of world etc. etc. I searched for the Truth. In my journey, I cam across Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam. I found their beliefs perfectly inline with laws of Nature & truly rational. Thus I accepted it.

Hadhrat Ahmad died on his bed with words of "Allah" on his lips.

[SingaAbdullah]

Salam Quetta44.

Alhamdullilah. We are not running in circle anymore.

Your 1,2,3 is suppose to be part of the title for this clip which you post out of contact.Honestly I have not seen the above clip at all.

During our dicussion you did agreed with me at some issue but then starts running in circle again and again.

Dear Quetta44, I do not have any problem with you but your 1,2,3 is the root of your problem. You can continue running in circle but TRUTH will check mate you all the time.Salam.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah : I fully agree with you that it is totally illogical to think that with the coming of Mahdi & Messiah the entire world will become very pious Muslim & the entire world will be filled with peace within no time. And when it will achieved then Allah will completely DESTROY the world by bringing Qiyamah.

It proves that non-Ahmadi Muslims scholars have misunderstood the prophecies about Mahdi & Messiah due to taking them as literal.

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta.Salam.

WOW!!! Bro. I taught you are reasonable and very logical but you proved me wrong.

Let me clear this here.

I am Muslim,my Imam is Quran from Allah And strive to live my life with Sunnah from Muhammad examples.

Anyone who take the shadah, Allah is one and Muhammad is His massenger is my brothers.We have our disputes and quarrels but this Human nature and that is why we are given the Manuals.

Friends we are indeed. I honestly thank you for your kind respond.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: I am a human & can commit mistakes. But Allah who knows what is inside my heart knows very well that I searched for the Truth with best of my abilities supported by sincere prayers before accepting the Messiah & Mahdi of the time.

May Allah guide us all to the Right Path

[SingaAbdullah]

"It proves that non-Ahmadi Muslims scholars have misunderstood the prophecies about Mahdi & Messiah due to taking them as literal."

This is yours not mine. Please do add mine to yours. and add your to mine.This is dangerous game you are playing. We can discuss decently but not this way.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: U wrote: " Won and we then get back the glory of Islam and then world end. END?Why END when the world is at peace?" From your statement in quotes, I understood that u r saying that HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHEN WE (MUSLIMS) WILL WIN & WORLD WILL BECOME PIOUS & PEACEFUL THEN ALLAH WILL BRING END TO THIS WORLD"? If I have misunderstood your statement then I really apologize. But this is what non-Ahmadi believe about Mahdi & Messiah & which is illogical.

[SingaAbdullah]

"It proves that non-Ahmadi Muslims scholars have misunderstood the prophecies about Mahdi & Messiah due to taking them as literal."

THIS IS YOURS NOT MINE.

THIS KIND OF FISHING GAME IS LAME.

YOU CAN AGREE AND DISAGREE AND WE CAN KEEP RUNNING IN CIRCLES BUT PLEASE DO NOT ADD YOU WORDS TO MINE.

'Non-Ahmadi' scholar misundrstood the prophecies is not the right. They should have said that this is KUFUR.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: U wrote: " Won and we then get back the glory of Islam and then world end. END?Why END when the world is at peace?" From your statement in quotes, I understood that u r saying that HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHEN WE (MUSLIMS) WILL WIN & WORLD WILL BECOME PIOUS & PEACEFUL THEN ALLAH WILL BRING END TO THIS WORLD"? If I have misunderstood your statement then I really apologize. But this is what non-Ahmadi believe about Mahdi & Messiah based on literal meanings of Ahadith.

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta44. Yes, no doubt that is my statement and you did not misunderstood me. This is to my comprehension trough what ever I have learn so far. I can be totally wrong on this part my friend but my tauhid is intact.

Why it should end when all at peace?

THAT is me,

But : kun fa ya kun -Allah knows best.

The main massage I am trying to get across is, Muslim should be independent and do the deen during his or her lifetime and not to wait for someone else to clean up the mess. Salam.

[Quetta44]

IT IS WRONG TO THINK THAT WHEN IT WILL BE PEACE THEN WORLD WILL COME TO AN END.

My dear, in the Hadith of Sahaih Muslim, the Prophet (saw) had told that Allah will send revelation to Jesus in Islam NOT to fight with great powers. Rather take My servants to mountain and pray to Me. Then Allah through prayers will bring about change & True Islam will gradually spread to entire world. Then again things will go wrong & when things will reach ever WORST only then Allah will bring about Qiyamah.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah: Watch that how things was to happen on the coming of Mahdi & Messiah at {watch?v=YavxzXLkyKA} Part1 & {watch?v=eeoNbzQG9_M} Part2

Please also watch following video on this topic

{watch?v=0B5zvXeIb50}

Above videos resolve all confusion on this issue.

[SingaAbdullah]

This parts Rahib which is very murky with hadith. Every Ulamah will defend their own theory but let us all go back to Al-Quran as recommended by Allah which will never go wrong. Last know of Isa a.s that he was raise to Arash. What does Quran say abouth Roh? Every life will taste death,are we in charge of this?Always when we hear and read Qiamat will be tied to Isa a.s and Mahadi. Are we suppose to wait for that to happen to bring back the glory of Islam?Truth from Allah,Mistakes from me.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah : Allah is not a limited Physical Being so that one has to take a physical journey to attain His nearness. Raising to Allah or going to Allah can only be in spiritual sense & it can NEVER be in literal sense. If going or raising to Allah means some Physical Journey then how could you explain 2:156, 7:176, 17:93, 19:57, 29:26 & 37:99?

All these verses Proves that going/raising to Allah can only be in spiritual sense.

[SingaAbdullah]

Quetta44.Salam thak you for your kind respond.I am travelling today,InsyaAllah I we will get back to this.

[SingaAbdullah]

Surah Al-Araf:187. Al-Isra: 85 Surah Yasin: 29. Brothers last know of Isa a.s from Quran is that Allah raise him to Arash. We all know that every Life will taste death.But Hadith of Isa a.s return is murky. Yes hundreds may be thousands Hadith daif and many more fabricated floating everywhere. My thinking as of this issue is base on Quran alone which is safe always with Allah recommendation that we should refer back to once we have conflict.

[Quetta44]

SingaAbdullah : Allah is not a limited Physical Being so that one has to take a physical journey to attain His nearness. Raising to Allah or going to Allah can only be in spiritual sense & it can NEVER be in literal sense. If going or raising to Allah means some Physical Journey then how could you explain 2:156, 7:176, 17:93, 19:57, 29:26 & 37:99?

All these verses Proves that going/raising 2 Allah can only b in spiritual sense.

Once gone from this world, No 1 has ever returned nor will ever.

[khalifahklothing]

dont misquote him

[Quetta44]

I have NOT misquoted him. Rather, I have presented his video clip in which he was constraint to admit that according to Authentic Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad the Prophet had said that "Shortly you will see Jesus Son of Marium - He will be Imam Mahdi". This Hadith confirms another Hadith of Ibne-Majjah which says that "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa"

It proves that these are Mullahs who misquote Ahadith of Prophet (saw) in order to justify their fairy tales about Physical descend of Jesus.

[bachadega]

Why did you cut off Shaykh Yasir Qadhi?

This clip is from a lecture: "The Mahdi - Between Fact and Fiction".

He does not claim what you claim. You intentional misinterpret his views for your own. Brother almostafa786 is right.

This how hypocrites behave, presenting you something only to benefit them...

[Quetta44]

I have NOT misquoted him. Rather, I have presented his video clip in which he was constraint to admit that according to Authentic Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad the Prophet had said that "Shortly you will see Jesus Son of Marium - He will be Imam Mahdi". This Hadith confirms another Hadith of Ibne-Majjah which says that "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa"

It proves that these are Mullahs who misquote Ahadith of Prophet (saw) in order to justify their fairy tales about Physical descend of Jesus.

[bachadega]

Why did you cut off Shaykh Yasir Qadhi?

This clip is from a lecture: "The Mahdi - Between Fact and Fiction".

He does not claim what you claim. You intentional misinterpret his views for your own. Brother almostafa786 is right.

This how hypocrites behave, presenting you something only to benefit them...

[Quetta44]

I have NOT misquoted him. Rather, I have presented his video clip in which he was constraint to admit that according to Authentic Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad the Prophet had said that "Shortly you will see Jesus Son of Marium - He will be Imam Mahdi". This Hadith confirms another Hadith of Ibne-Majjah which says that "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa"

It proves that these are Mullahs who misquote Ahadith of Prophet (saw) in order to justify their fairy tales about Physical descend of Jesus.

[Quetta44]

YaBaniAdam: Prophet's (saw) verdict is that 72 out of 73 sects will be hell bound while ONLY ONE sect will be on the Right Path. Whereas you are advising me to remain associated with the 72!!!

Watch Jews saying exactly the same i.e. How Jesus can be Messiah because there is NO Peace & Justice in the world. {For Proof: watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}

Prophet (saw) had warned that the 72 sects of Muslims are going to resemble (i.e to repeat the mistakes) Jews.

[SFAvids]

Quetta44

Why are you trying to deceive people by taking the words of Yasir Qadhi out of context? You know very well that Yasir Qadhi was saying that Isa (P) is a Mahdi, but not thee Mahdi.

You should be ashamed of of yourself for resorting to such deceptive tactics.

[Quetta44]

I have NOT misquoted him. Rather, I have presented his video clip in which he was constraint to admit that according to Authentic Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad the Prophet had said that "Shortly you will see Jesus Son of Marium - He will be Imam Mahdi". This Hadith confirms another Hadith of Ibne-Majjah which says that "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa"

It proves that these are Mullahs who misquote Ahadith of Prophet (saw) in order to justify their fairy tales about Physical descend of Jesus.

[Quetta44]

YaBaniAdam : Remember that Jews also took the prophecies about their Messiah literally & remained deprived of recognizing & accepting Jesus (as) as their Messiah due to this mistake. The Prophet (saw) had warned that "things are going to happen to my ummah as it happened earlier to Israelite". thus today 72 sects of Muslims are also repeating same mistakes despite the clear warning.

Listen, the Messiah & Mahdi has already come. Don't live in myths & fairy tales like the Jews!!

[almostafa786]

You misunderstood what the context is. The Khulafa-ar-Rashideen were also called "Al-Mahdi'. "Al-Mahdi" simply means "the rightly guided one", hence Shykh Qadhi said, " A mehdi". How authentic is the hadith stated at the end?

[Quetta44]

almostafa786: Brother, The Hadith of Masnad-e-Ahmad did not say that Issa (as) will be Mahdi rather it says that HE WILL BE IMAM MAHDI. Similarly, Hadith of Ibn-e-Majjah says that "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA". Thus these Mullahs belonging to 72 sects are mis-guiding the people like the Jews pharacies belonging to 72 sects once misguided the Jews.

[almostafa786]

How about you read the Ahadith in Arabic, and listen to the opinion of the scholars on it, inshallah. Do you the authenticity on the ahadith?